| IVOD_ID |
170452 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170452 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第17次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第17次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-14T17:49:53+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-14T18:00:58+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:05 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ad2906fa72ef9199c0bea0088f8bbbef684f067b6a62f29a3e40fb2c3383130c6304fc2c5abcbb3c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
莊瑞雄 |
| 委員發言時間 |
17:49:53 - 18:00:58 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-14T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第17次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院委員洪孟楷、楊瓊瓔、王鴻薇、蘇清泉、林德福、廖偉翔、黃健豪、陳玉珍等52人擬具公民投票提案主文為：「您是否同意政府制定法律，針對性侵害犯罪、凌虐幼童罪、以及高額詐欺罪、複合型態加重詐欺罪，增設由法院宣告並依法執行之特別刑法制度（鞭刑），以嚇阻犯罪持續發生？」請公決案等6案。二、行政院院長率同相關部會首長列席提出中聯油脂大豆沙拉油事件及食安監管機制缺失檢討專案報告並備質詢。（7月14日下午）三、7月14日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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謝謝主席,有請我們行政院卓院長還有衛福部石崇良市部長院長還有部長,我看今天的整個食安的一個專報 |
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這樣聽院長跟部長其實對這次的食安的一個事件態度也非常誠懇把所有的來龍的一個去脈像立法院這邊在這次的報告還有在巡打的過程裡面一一的去把它說明的一個清楚但我在這個地方要請教 |
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跟委員報告 我們現在就是在做 |
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因為本身最末端的加工食品是沒有檢驗標準的所以要回到它的上游就是它用的油品的安全所以我們現在就是針對它上游的所有用的油品321項跟21批我們都會逐批檢驗確認之後那我們就三個原則分員分項一行一行來逐批去確認完之後上下游比對我的意思就是說要多久 |
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我跟院長我為什麼特別提醒跟部長我為什麼要來問這個問題這一次其實我們在短短的一個禮拜以內我們政府機關對於這些下降我們標準我們也更動了好幾次膝蓋嘛那當然對於這些下游廠商來講的話它產生了很大的不方便政府站在政府保障國人食品的健康安全我相信你這些下游甚至這些通路商大家都要去遵守 |
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那這個食安那當然是最重大的保障國人健康最重大的事情但是你說這這麼下游的廠商還是說一些在通路上的下架清點完了一批一批要下來了我們規則把它變來變去確實也搞得他們人仰馬翻但是呢我們政府或者立法院在這個地方在質詢要求政府為人民的健康把關的時候我們也必須要 |
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注意到一點就是說整個經濟的秩序這個部分過度的一個衝擊政府的應變的角度其實還要再加快你東西什麼時候讓它再上架讓這一些下游廠商可以恢復它原來的經濟 |
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的一個交易的一個秩序啊我不知道我們現在原則說完了你是不是可以簡單整個給小的大眾知道說差不多很快會有多快或者說等一下過一陣子又講說又爆發的很多了爆發的沒話講啊你還是要去緊急做應變啊但是對於這一些這一陣子造成整個經濟的交易秩序產生重大影響的人你怎麼處理怎麼趕快讓他恢復秩序 |
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我們的檢驗會加快啦雖然是說一星期但是可能會比較快完成所以如果能夠快速完成確認這個產品是合格合規我們就會逐批來把它公佈好 我希望院長我們這個要盡快我請我們法務部 總部長也一起上來一下啦在這一次部長所說的現在有問題的產品下架了 |
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將來如果恢復到一個程序都完備了檢驗都完備了 主管居然同意了再上來的這個產品一定是安全的我們必須要把握到這個原則我們這很快啦 院長你聽到沒有部長 我在上禮拜的時候 我就給你們示警我說其實碰到假日的時候 政府有時候會等到禮拜一再來做處理我第一個時間我看這一批致癌的 疑慮的這個油 |
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因為中聯折出來 這棵樹 西圍折出來了8號到10號開始出貨了那你現在南橋 現在台北市政府給你發三百萬就說你沒通報嘛那你在5月10號之道 泰山5月12號之道部長要特別留意啊我都對這些時間序 我都畫上很多的問號啊 |
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蘭蕎你知道嗎 你檢查算 理論上來講如果我是蘭蕎的話 我第一個知道我一定打電話給福壽我一定去痛罵他 你給我的東西為什麼有自來的食品 對不對這樣不知道有什麼用 那個福壽知道以後他第一個想法一定是什麼一定打電話給他幹掉中年人啊 你一直給我營利你為什麼生產出這種東西 這樣才合理嘛 同樣的 |
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中聯的三大股東你福壽知道以後你泰山哪有可能不知道你福茂哪有可能不知道所以我第一時間就跟你講說把中聯的車長叫過來 品管的叫過來藍橋的叫過來 你就知道人家在拼什麼了所以這些時間序我都認為未必是真的啦這件事情可惡在什麼地方可惡在我們這三級品管裡面第一級的品管我們第一級說要自主來做一個管理管理出來之後 好好都知道 把你隱匿 |
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你看說到6月10號,我不曉得報宅披露了6月10號召開的一個會議裡面知道了,然後6月15號,這個屬實啊嘛這個如果去由法院或者檢方去公開,這也不會違反偵查不公開啊適度的對外說明本來就是應該啊但重點本席就認為說,這個都可惡啊 |
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他知道以後他第一個時間不是說趕快下架趕快回收啊他知道以後第一件事情就是說先蓋起來繼續賣繼續出貨把倉庫的全部賣掉然後繼續再生產 天啊 感到好安捏所以我覺得以後這樣這一種速度可以再更快那第二 我不知道柏中你會看什麼 柏中你不覺得嗎 |
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的確是那個我們是在檢方是在6月30號是一個通報嘛通報7月1號監報那7月2號是有起開那個專案的一個會議那這個7月6號是直接約談的跟調資料 |
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因為我們要調資料跟約談這部分因為必須要衛福部來協助我們因為這個牽扯到很專業的一個食安的一個知識的一個問題所以你不覺得第一個地方衛生局給他種法剛好而已嗎你不覺得衛福部給他種法一一多剛好而已嗎沒錯 |
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那這個可惡啊人家這樣的確是它是有蓋牌因為它那個有知道是要不通報不下架還出貨如果有出貨的行為那的確是一個蓋牌的行為因為到6月15號這部分可以整個一個顯示是都是知道的所以才開一個一個品管的一個會議這個涉嫌隱匿還在湮滅證據就像這種第二個我也認為院長再考慮看看比如說我們到了第二級品管我們現在就是業者他知道了以後 |
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他不告訴你 不告訴你 到最後也只是罰錢而已那第二集是說 我第三方公正機關他也委託了 你像南橋也好 泰山也好我們去委託第三方公正機構出來以後出來 出來也是一樣 他去通緝他去通緝泰山 去通緝福壽 去通緝南橋他就是沒有通知你主管機關 |
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那我們是不是整個食安法的修訂裡面這個部分也要強制科與連第三方機構他都應該有強暴通知的一個義務 |
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對 我也說了很多 我們現在的草案就是朝這個方向第三方的檢驗機構跟診施機構要主動通報他有強制性通報第三項又來了 第三項就是說我們政府第一級通報產生問題 第二個產生問題那你說好 那我們強制他通報那第三個 政府是有人來通報我才會知道 |
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我才會知道 沒有人告訴你 完全不知道啊那有沒有可能我們整個食安法政府在制定一個機制連第三方的公正機構你有驗出來的時候你強制通報地方衛生局的時候或者你本來你平常這些檢驗的上傳嘛 有一個平台嘛 給你食藥署嘛 |
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英國是他們設計的一個食品安全局嘛或者食品安全委員會嘛我們現在叫食藥署我們還沒有獨立一個機關出來假設有辦法去成立一個獨立的食品安全局也很好但是至少建物沒蛋嘛人賣蛋嘛平常他只要有檢驗的強制全部都上傳至少你說我可能沒有那麼多人力但至少有一個威嚇作用誰亂傳你 |
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有可能你這個東西是有受到污染的影響整個食品安全的老百姓的健康吃下去不行的至少他不敢偽造他會有一個威嚇的一個作用萬普達部長你的看法在這一次我們的精進作為令也包含這一段就是把第一二級的檢驗資料也串接起來讓第三級的就是後市場集合的部分主管機關 地方主管機關可以提早有預警 |
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可以強化或增加這個抽茶的或者是茶廠的頻率所以這個我們在這一次這個要再想一下啦我存30秒 請停再停一下我請農業部長開了一下 來 |
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結果沒有 我們從部長表演一下就不行了 國定我也很歡樂了就是說 你這個現在喔 肚脯 肚渣肚渣 你就知道做治療的嘛 做治療 應用到之後你們現在會增加供給嘛 但本身很擔心啦 治療企業的問題啦或者說這些肚脯裡面 它也有這些殘留物 |
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好 謝謝 |