| IVOD_ID |
170451 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170451 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第17次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第17次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-14T17:38:41+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-14T17:49:45+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:04 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ad2906fa72ef9199e5b5d23c3c7788a7684f067b6a62f29a68c32e327bd700272ae69a5bbf2089335ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林德福 |
| 委員發言時間 |
17:38:41 - 17:49:45 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-14T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第17次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院委員洪孟楷、楊瓊瓔、王鴻薇、蘇清泉、林德福、廖偉翔、黃健豪、陳玉珍等52人擬具公民投票提案主文為：「您是否同意政府制定法律，針對性侵害犯罪、凌虐幼童罪、以及高額詐欺罪、複合型態加重詐欺罪，增設由法院宣告並依法執行之特別刑法制度（鞭刑），以嚇阻犯罪持續發生？」請公決案等6案。二、行政院院長率同相關部會首長列席提出中聯油脂大豆沙拉油事件及食安監管機制缺失檢討專案報告並備質詢。（7月14日下午）三、7月14日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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謝謝大會主席江副院長還有卓院長議會各部會首長是不是請卓院長跟石部長請卓院長石部長 |
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林委員好 朱院長你好我想因為民進黨執政十年這個食安危機不斷那食安五環屢屢破功像分埔泥毒雞蛋開放萊豬還有核災區的食品解禁包括豬肉丹羊肉麥過期的這些雞蛋蘇丹紅辣椒粉放寬 |
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花芽的這些馬鈴薯檢查到現在的整個致癌油那過去民進黨在野的時候面對食安的議題這個往往要求這個零檢出做不好就下台取得政權賀物 |
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那民進黨標準一直在改法甲灣就是民進黨的標籤那為何不說中聯郵址疑似在檢體上造假要求新批號下架那這個行政院應先完整交代事件的整個來龍去脈 |
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在討論重新上架的原則避免政策反顧來影響民眾對食品安全的信任院長你有什麼看法 |
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沒有錯我們剛剛在報告裡面就提到了現在是預防性下架所謂預防性下架就是他將來一定的條件之後他可以恢復上架但這個條件他必須要檢驗合格提出合格的證明經過第三方的驗證還要經過主管機關的同意那現在都還不到那個程度現在我們要做的是把他21批的油品全部檢驗證明4到6月的油品除了那5批之外 |
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不會再衍生其他的問題同時下游的這些產品我們也要做一些全面的這個盤點現在有321項也要做全面的盤點這個全部建立下來沒有問題了那主管機關才會進到要不要考慮的問題大概院長因為食品安全沒有意識形態也不分草野都希望國人吃得健康那全國民眾也期待中央與地方的政府來共同合作替民眾好好的把關 |
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整個食品的安全那此次中原油脂的問題有影響全國各縣市究竟是原料出的問題還是整個製程出的問題還是廠商整個自主檢驗報告造假這麼多 |
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多天了已經過去了那國人始終無法得到真相此外這個問題產品下架政策緩護衛福部原本還只打算讓問題由含量百分之二十以上的這些產品下架結果外界大家砲轟以後才改為全面下架因為食品安全真的是不分黨派食安漏洞這個檢討 |
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這是衛福部的責任,不要甩鍋給地方,究竟該救責的還是要救責?石副長你有什麼看法?跟委員說明,我們在第一刻就讓油品直接就先下架,問題油品其實已經下架談的是這個油的下一層的加工食品 |
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所以加工食品其實它的樣態是非常非常多有的用的量是很少所以按照我們原先的下架階層原則就是第一層的油品下架那麼加工食品並沒有所以才會在下架完之後 |
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那麼在7月4號再召開了專家會議去討論到這個民眾對民眾的健康風險之後才做出那個您所謂的20%這個下架的這個這個新的修正的這個下架原則的修訂所以是這樣一步一步來但是後面我們有新的市政發現說這個已經不是單批的問題可能是整個 |
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這個製程上的不穩定可能是多批系統性的問題才會又進步到全面性的預防性下降所以他都是我們不斷的在快速的積極的去了解這個背後的問題然後趕快的做出回應來保障國人的這個健康因為過去齁 |
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為強化整個食安財政部跟衛福部都有跨部會的合作然後透過電子花票與營業稅競銷的這些項的明細來落實商品溯源追蹤的一個管理那除了可以這個黃鍍、桃肉稅也能掌握整個食品供應鏈的流向以確保整個民眾消費的權益因為外界質疑 |
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自知實意建立的食品雲 包括食品原料追溯系統非追不可 未發揮它的功能不僅累積了公務員 也恐導致整個餘地的食品無法及時攔截 |
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針對中年油脂問題油的事件上中下油產品的流向本席我是希望說這個行政院藉此事件重新來審視將政府的大數據透過 |
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AI的技術來整合透過AI進行整個資料標準化資料整合異常分析那預警查詢達到食品安全溯源的政策目的院長 |
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你有沒有想法就未來我們會強化數位的治理就是要強化這一點過去確實財政部的電子花票有跟衛福部有連結而且溯源追溯每一個環節都清清楚楚的而且擺在眼前就是你們一定要合作才有辦法把那些上下游 |
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把它整理得清清楚楚我們會馬上進行因為電子花票是一個很好可以追溯的一個聯合國馬上要強化目前的這個串接為什麼一定要馬上進行而且刻不容緩因為上下游啊你要是說沒有用電子花票去追溯你任何它只要有進貨它就是有電子花票嘛那溯源就是這樣追因為我親眼看到啊兩位那個院長跟部長我跟你們講 |
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我親眼看到昨天就是前面有一部車子結果我看他停在一個賣肉丸跟賣藕粿的前面結果我看他搬了三箱我看那個就是油結果整個所有桶子三桶都沒有貼標籤 |
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三桶喔因為那個裡面他賣肉丸就是要整桶的油進去然後在裡面燒那包括OK都一樣結果三桶我看都連外面的標籤什麼都沒有我認為那個就是有問題的油但是他一樣照送那個店家照拿 |
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像這個問題我認為還是要追溯委員會後告訴我們是在哪裡我們督導地方政府,責成地方政府加強財政我認為這個很重要你們也要通知所有這些因為全國有很多的警察同仁只要出去有在路上巡看到他這個車子裡面一桶一桶的 |
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那個就是油那甚至於他走的店家就是賣食品的嘛你叫他夜市太多了然後他一桶一桶進去都沒有貼標籤啦我就直接打個問號說這個一定啊就是那些有問題的油 |
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不能讓他再這樣留下去因為食安問題每個人你只要家裡大大小小吃學校的小朋友都會知道我是希望說這個一定要去重視因為此次的中年問題由影響到全國許多學校營養午餐 |
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當然我們這個地區像永和也有很多學校受到影響尤其這些學童還沒有成年身體處於發育的階段那家長也擔心學童健康會有後遺症為了維護學童健康請問衛福部與教育部溯源追溯處理告一段落後後續會有哪些措施讓家長能夠安心有沒有想法 |
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跟委員說明因為教育部已經有建立它的那個實材追蹤系統了所以我們一旦有發現任何的疑慮我們就會有跨部會的合作那麼像這一次也是一樣我們第一時間就把這個資訊提供給教育部讓教育部可以馬上去清查了解有哪一些學校那麼受到影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
608.248 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
630.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
本席是希望說此次的主管機關對廠商的罰款跟廠商未來提出的補償方案要有一定比例用在受到此次中年問題由影響的學生的身上對於此次中年油自然油罰款跟補償的方案莊院長你有沒有想法對不起 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
633.479 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
652.851 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
就是這一次啊 這些問題由你給學生吃到了最起碼你未來這些學生身上怎麼去補償他們 怎麼這個剛剛我說過因為現在在暑假期間並沒有學生的營養午餐現在都吃了啦對 但是我們要求教育部 通靈各學好 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
663.293 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
663.496 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
謝謝林委員 |