| IVOD_ID |
170447 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170447 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第17次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第17次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-14T16:43:42+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-14T16:54:09+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:27 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ad2906fa72ef9199079829f0b9f7d6a4684f067b6a62f29a3440596baadc4c6c52c7019b845b5da65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王正旭 |
| 委員發言時間 |
16:43:42 - 16:54:09 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-14T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第17次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院委員洪孟楷、楊瓊瓔、王鴻薇、蘇清泉、林德福、廖偉翔、黃健豪、陳玉珍等52人擬具公民投票提案主文為：「您是否同意政府制定法律，針對性侵害犯罪、凌虐幼童罪、以及高額詐欺罪、複合型態加重詐欺罪，增設由法院宣告並依法執行之特別刑法制度（鞭刑），以嚇阻犯罪持續發生？」請公決案等6案。二、行政院院長率同相關部會首長列席提出中聯油脂大豆沙拉油事件及食安監管機制缺失檢討專案報告並備質詢。（7月14日下午）三、7月14日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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我們有聽到您所提供的專案報告 |
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我個人認為非常的詳實而且也把未來需要注意的事情都交代的非常清楚當然我們希望未來還是有更多需要跟國人還有跟相關的委員持續來做互動持續來做精進的地方未來的溝通還要麻煩院長跟部長持續來進行 |
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那針對這個報告的部分還有幾點還要再跟院長來討論一下包括第一點就是健全這個國家食安防護體系的過程裡面我們如何能夠針對這個食品雲的追溯系統能夠建構的更為完整我們也知道這一次的這個沙拉友的這個含品評比的這個 |
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超標的事件其實看到中央跟地方政府在接貨通報以後呢第一時間就已經展開了非常緊急的查查並且要求相關的業者做後續的停止出售 下等這個整個流程可是我們也看到這個廠商的這個延遲通報導致大量的問題產品流入了市面裡面被不知情的這個民眾吃下肚子以後造成社會的恐慌 |
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讓這個中央跟地方政府拚命的來做這個追查一直到今天還是有在耗費很多的心力來公布受影響的產品的這個名單院長我們都認為台灣是一個科技大國過去在多次的這個食安危機裡面政府早已經建立了而且部署了食品雲的資訊系統可是在這個事件當中我們好像 |
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還是需要依賴大量的基層人員來進行人工的這個追查而無法透過資訊系統第一時間就能夠掌握所有受影響的產品跟他的流向那院長其實已經要求部長要趕快提出相關的這個修法來做精進那其中很關鍵的就是要 |
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將這個食品群的這個監測範疇延伸到最末端的這個產品包括所影響非常明顯最後續的飯糰、沙拉醬等等那政府在研議將部分的這個高風險的食品從原料一直到最終的產品都全程要納入監測的過程裡面希望能夠達到即時的最終溯源所以這邊有三個問題想要請教第一個就是 |
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所謂的高風險的食品或原料未來的界定標準跟它的範圍包括哪一些第二個部分那預計要納入完整溯源系統的項目具體會有多少第三個就是現在規定中總共有26類的應建立食品的追溯系統的這個食品業者都適用嗎這個三個部分麻煩院長 |
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來幫忙說明請部長來說明跟委員報告那個委員的指教非常精準那這個 |
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您提到的這個納入我們的這個食品雲非真不可追蹤溯源的部分主要呢就是依據食安法第九條我們去公告目前一共公告26類那麼這個所謂的高風險的食品或原料我們主要有幾個考量第一個考量就是過去的食安事件的關聯性所以過去如果有發生重大食安事件的幾乎都會放在這裡面所以油品就是在這26個裡面的第一類油脂 |
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那麼也有黃豆也放在這裡面所以第二個就是對於民生的影響我們也有考量這個產業規模第三個是這個產業本身的規模大小所以像我們有的會規定在3000萬以上就是要登錄的是3000萬資本額以上的才進入登錄 |
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我們有26個類別然後再根據它的產業規模去訂出來那未來剛剛您提到的民生原料啦或者是產品呢那麼我們也都會一併來考慮 |
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好所以預期在這個具體執行細則在定義的時候務必要將影響民眾最深使用頻繁的這些大宗民生的原料跟產品必須要能夠把它當作一個很重要的監測的範疇來守護國人時的安全這是第一個部分跟委員補充如果一旦納入我們這個追蹤溯源系統它是從原料到它的產品的流向它是需要登錄清楚的但是不會登錄到個人就是主要是在這個流動 |
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了解那第二部分就是要強化這個社福醫療相關食品的溯源的部分其實在這個過程裡面教育部主管的這個校園營養午餐因為有建制的這個校園食材登錄的平台他會每天的去將食材的資訊全部公開透明所以在這次的事件當中 |
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政府跟學校在一天之內就能夠完成全面的清查跟通知下架讓大家都覺得非常的安心所以也請教院長這次除了校園之外以後同樣屬於健康敏感的這些族群包括對像有醫院團散、長照機構還有產後護理之家、生後 |
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還有身障福利機構等等的能不能比照校園食材登例制度來要求相關的這些跟健康敏感相關的族群也有同樣的這個作為好 謝謝委員的指教跟提醒您說的這些更屬於弱勢的這些族群更應該受到政府力量的保障所以未來在這個部分我們會請衛部跟其他的部會跟地方機關能夠來做地方政府來做更多的連結將它納進到我們整個安全保障的體系當中 |
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是因為我自己在醫療院所知道針對這些族群我們如何能夠有給他更好的保障那第三個部分就是要嚴懲這個重罰有相關的違反違法的廠商那我們看到公布出來有這麼重的這些划反 |
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那可是呢還有一部分也希望院長這邊來了解那其實我國的這個稅捐激增法跟產業創新的條例都有明確的規定業者如果違反了食安法而且情節重大那政府應該要停止並追回其租稅優惠獎勵或者是補助那針對這次的事件我們所理解目前有中聯、泰山、福壽、福茂 |
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南橋這五家業者那過去是否享有政府相關的優惠或者是補助那過去補助或抵扣的金額規模有沒有盤點過了那經濟部跟財政部是否已經啟動追回的行政程序那這部分我們很希望能夠也讓社會多了解 |
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我們有這樣的機制請市長來說報告委員我們這邊有清查過這五家業者過去他們是沒有跟經濟部這邊申請相關的補助但是過去我們也了解111年到114年 |
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中聯跟福茂曾經申請智慧機械還有智通訊安全的投資體檢另外福壽也在110年到111年也曾經向經濟部申請研究發展跟智慧機械的投資體檢 |
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那另外那兩家就最近這五年都沒有申請那跟我們說明一下就是申請投資抵檢的部分我們會去看說他前三年有沒有違反重要的這些食安或是這個環安或勞安事件那因為他們過去申請的這個申請日期是在今年的五月底就是營業失業所得稅結算申報日之前他們就已經申請完了 |
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所以顯然就是說過去他們申請的這個部分目前依照產創條例是沒有辦法追回但是他們未來15 16 17年這三年的部分恐怕就是沒有辦法再來申請這個產創條例的相關的投資遞減的優惠 |
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所以目前看起來都有盤點過而且做了相當的處置那可以把這個書面報告也可以讓我們來做更進一步的了解那就麻煩相關的部會可以持續來追蹤這個部分依照市長剛剛的解釋這個中聯公司他是有一些那我們可以依照法律來做必要的處理我想認為 |
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一旦接受這樣的租稅的優惠但是做出來的行為卻對社會這麼大的危害而且有刻意隱匿 遲延通報的這個行為除了法律司法的調查之外情形上這種租稅的優惠我們會依照現行的制度來予以處理 |
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好因為我們覺得這樣的話才能展現我們這個政府要捍衛食安的決心好那最後一個問題就是希望公司協議來提升食安的環境來建構永續的食安體系我們了解這個食安法很快要做修訂可是在修法裡面也要必須要正式專業人口的 |
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人力的缺口跟過勞的問題因為我們這次真的是花了很大的人力跟精神在做這些處理那人力的補充未來在相關修法的時候也希望把它能夠納為一個重點包括專業的力量工位師、食品技術等等專業人力能不能夠充分的參與那這部分也請院長來多費心 |
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感謝委員的體貼我們不會因為要解決一個問題又產生另外一個人力上不足造成這種在行政效率上低落的問題我們會全盤考量 謝謝委員好 大家一起努力謝謝 |