| IVOD_ID |
170446 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170446 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第17次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第17次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-14T16:26:42+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-14T16:37:23+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:41 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ad2906fa72ef9199217f588993157192684f067b6a62f29a3440596baadc4c6c0172323f4dd3fbb95ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊瓊瓔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
16:26:42 - 16:37:23 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-14T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第17次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院委員洪孟楷、楊瓊瓔、王鴻薇、蘇清泉、林德福、廖偉翔、黃健豪、陳玉珍等52人擬具公民投票提案主文為：「您是否同意政府制定法律，針對性侵害犯罪、凌虐幼童罪、以及高額詐欺罪、複合型態加重詐欺罪，增設由法院宣告並依法執行之特別刑法制度（鞭刑），以嚇阻犯罪持續發生？」請公決案等6案。二、行政院院長率同相關部會首長列席提出中聯油脂大豆沙拉油事件及食安監管機制缺失檢討專案報告並備質詢。（7月14日下午）三、7月14日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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謝謝院會主席 江副院長卓院長所領軍的行政院團隊各位同仁 新聞界的朋友 楊清玉發言首先邀請院長請卓院長備詢 |
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我也請部長一起我們好好討論一下市部長請背書楊委員好謝謝院長好我想我們今天針對於食品安全標準的調整跟政策如何透明制度但是我們看到每一次的調整標準通常最後就只有一個公告這個數字這樣子的一個資訊公開真的能夠符合我們食安第四條所規定的科學 |
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這個證據風險評估跟資訊的透明原則嗎請教院長公告數據 |
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因為到最後就是只有公告數字告訴我們也就是食安無慮那部長在點頭所以如果只有公告這樣子我們可以科學證據風險的評估跟資訊的透明化我認為是非常重要所以我們就這樣來討論在近十年當中我們從食安的這個標準多次的來調整多次調整從茶葉 |
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從進口的豬肉還有最近多項的水果農藥殘留的標準都一直在修正那也引發了社會的一個疑慮也就是好像是標準是否越趕越寬的這樣的一個疑慮就像最近的蘋果那麼芬普尼的殘留從原本的0.5ppm調升到3ppm |
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那等於社會大眾認為他調高的是6倍那政府可以告訴我們說是因為科學依據所定的標準但是我要告訴院長的就是說人民真正想要知道的是什麼是誰提出申請採用哪些的一個試驗為什麼要定在3個PPM尤其在兒童跟高攝取族群他的風險又是多少請做說明 |
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跟委員說明其實委員所提到的我們近期在115年4月21號公告調整的農藥ML標準一共有174項其實它並不是只單一個項目那麼如果以蘋果為例的話它其實在111年就已經有人提出來要修了所以這中間為什麼會拖這麼久就是我們必須要經過科學的評估就如同您講的 |
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那麼過去我們是把蘋果類直接沒有單獨定的MRL直接定在其他離果類就是混在一個大箱子裡面那其實這裡面的每一種的水果它的施種方式在田野的施藥情形是不一樣的 |
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再加上近期的有一些新的農藥也會出現所以我們必須與時俱進的去檢討那麼哪一些農藥目前是在市面上使用需要訂出它的農藥的MRL的殘留標準那麼根據科學的證據跟我們的這個栽種的這個行為跟這個 |
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對人體的影響來定出來所以這個都有嚴謹的評估過程所以本席具體要求如果只有告訴我們一個數字就告訴我們安全無虞民眾是不安心的所以本席來具體建議就是未來在食品跟農藥殘留的標準調高的時候 |
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必須要同步的來公布完整的風險評估的一個報告讓人民能夠清楚包括你修正前後的差異你試驗的這個資料不同年齡暴露的風險以及國際上因為我們必須要跟國際接軌國際的一個比較還有在專家會議的名單利益的披露以及會議記錄跟不同意見也應該要同步的這個公布 |
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換句話說不是公布了一個數字告訴我們只有一句話安全無虞但是民眾是有疑慮的所以標準改變你必須要讓人民他是看得懂的他是查得到的他也是能夠監督的院長你同意本席所建議的建議來強制公開制度納入到我們的食安法的修正你同意嗎 |
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委員所說的有幾項是比我們現在還要再精細那這個我覺得我們應該要學習我覺得我們現在他的安全的容許量是按照國內外的資料讀物的資料還有就是我們用實用的習慣量 攝取的量所以我們一個結果論也就是說你公布一個數字民眾不了解所以我希望建立一個公開的這個訊息都有研究 但是要不要公布 |
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所以你同意納入在你的食安修法的內容嗎 |
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目前這個部分沒有我們會來考量接下來本席要請教針對我們今天的專報我不只要問的是到底政府下架了多少產品你罰了多少錢而是我要追問一個更根本的一個問題也就是石棺法裡頭他明明裡面就已經有業者 |
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有規定了業者你必須要自主檢驗主動通報食品的一個追溯以及政府你必須要檢驗那如果有問題的你要抽驗要停工封存下架的這些制度那本席要請問院長為什麼這麼多的防線沒有一道能在問題有流入市場前把它攔下來為什麼就是中央跟地方政府都碰到一個 |
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遲延通報 刻意引力的一個業者那怎麼辦呢本家請教我們討論這件事件這個案我們用司法調查科與眾法另外我們針對這個缺失加強檢驗的頻率加強通報的機制限時通報 即時通報 |
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因為問題就在你們說6月30日通報但是在6月11號就已經知道是有問題是啊所以這19天那我們該當要怎麼樣調整修法我們的政策以及檢驗就是未來業者發現這個事情的時候他不能只通報他的上游的廠商他必須通報主管機關可以他這樣的責任跟意義所以院長 |
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他必須要因為業者送到實驗室裡頭去實驗室只通報給復會的業者所以我們政府這一段你們根本不知道所以未來我們在修法的當中必須必須要將實驗室如果檢驗到出院有問題的時候必須要同步來通報給復會的業者以及給 |
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這個主管機關單位同步去進行你才不會有這19天的一個漏洞嘛因為這19天的漏洞到底還流出了多少部長我未來修法的這個內容20小時內要通報在這19天當中部長查了這麼久我們到底在這19天當中我們到底流出了多少 |
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進了人民的肚子有多少影響的下游產業有多少跟委員報告因為我們從6月30號獲知就積極的在逐步逐步一直釐清隨著我們的資料越來越充足之後我們才能夠把這個範圍現在你所說的院長都是被動式的 |
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都是被動算號我要跟院長您討論全面的預防性所以包括了校園我們必須他必須依照你食藥署公佈然後教育部在平台上面食材平台上去核對到目前為止我們已經核對了多少呢已經核對了包括幼兒園跟學校有881家 |
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你們用一個疑似疑似喔 院長用了一個疑似 我要請問你這個疑似到底到目前為止這881家的學校疑似到底是有還是沒有你政府需不需要立即做分類告訴社會大眾你這個疑似到底是有還沒有你讓民眾心驚驚 |
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跟委員說明也就是因為我們在7月9號宣布全面性的預防下架才後面呢陸陸續續在7月9號7月12號陸陸續續又有案子檢查出來所以這個全面性的預防性下架 |
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是對的他提早去防範國人繼續暴露那現在我們要做的事情就是如何透過我們的完整的檢驗分源分項逐批的才確認然後上下游在這個過程當中請教院長如果沒有立即行動我們還有多少會流入出來我自己請教881所學校包括幼兒園到底 |
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你的分類還要多久到底什麼時候可以告訴社會大眾這881家你認為儀式到底是有還是沒有 |
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請告訴我們一個時間點好嗎跟委員說明現在大概這個我們的有品的項目是大概321項現在是逐項逐項分批的請回答881家學校到底什麼時候可以告訴社會大眾一個禮拜內會把它檢驗完畢之後一個禮拜大數社會大眾881家有沒有好所以本席院長不是這個881家是產品現在回收含全部院長現在回收的有品 |
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誰負責?流向到哪裡去?很多人質疑喔會不會換了一個包裝他又上市?會不會?不會不會不會不會你怎麼監督?不會怎麼監督?誰負責?回收的油品誰負責?現在去向在哪裡?我們都是中央跟地方共同合作在做這個...院長這一些事項... |