| IVOD_ID |
170445 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170445 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第17次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第17次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-14T16:15:57+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-14T16:26:33+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:36 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ad2906fa72ef91992fc5993e58f60f23684f067b6a62f29a3440596baadc4c6cbb28968e9245ab7d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
16:15:57 - 16:26:33 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-14T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第17次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院委員洪孟楷、楊瓊瓔、王鴻薇、蘇清泉、林德福、廖偉翔、黃健豪、陳玉珍等52人擬具公民投票提案主文為：「您是否同意政府制定法律，針對性侵害犯罪、凌虐幼童罪、以及高額詐欺罪、複合型態加重詐欺罪，增設由法院宣告並依法執行之特別刑法制度（鞭刑），以嚇阻犯罪持續發生？」請公決案等6案。二、行政院院長率同相關部會首長列席提出中聯油脂大豆沙拉油事件及食安監管機制缺失檢討專案報告並備質詢。（7月14日下午）三、7月14日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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主席在場的委員先進列席的政府經財長官員會場的工作夥伴台上的媒體記者女士先生有請卓院長請卓院長備詢 |
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中委好院長辛苦了今天要談食安所有的題目由穩定加工產銷來設立食品風管基金同時也關心另外一個議題股市接軌國際不以台北市停搬為據好我們來看一下剛剛院長答詢說財閥中聯而且下游的加工品下架請問院長誰受害最大 |
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我們看到了中聯罰了1.65億嘛對不對但是他是始作俑者該罰對不對是罰得再重大家都覺得應該對是但是源頭是中聯那裁罰源頭大家認為合理那請問這樣的划環的用途是要用在哪裡是誰受害消費者受害還有受害者有哪些可以用來補償受害者嗎這個受害者的補償我們現在會 |
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其實食安供應鏈受害者有很多我們看一下首先 |
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中聯油脂它是上游的原料但是我們看到這些不同層次有B to B對業者也有B to C的到了第二層有福壽石業有福茂油脂有泰山企業這都是用原料來生產的他們本身也是中聯的大股東但是在往中游的油品加工往下走看到下游的食品加工有包括南橋油脂包括連鎖餐飲包括食品廠商做泡麵的還有小吃業者 |
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這些受到B2B波及的中下業者產品下要重新檢驗他有營業損失我們現在保護了通路末端的消費者一般大眾就是B2C的CB2C的C的消費者可以退貨可以退款但是政府提供了B2C消費者的保障那中下有無辜的業者的損失要找誰賠 |
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所以我剛剛說過其實是要感謝這些忠孝友的廠商第一時間能夠配合政府的政策擴大預防性下降那我們在經過一定嚴謹的程序他合格檢驗之後我們才會來考慮如何來開始執行這個恢復上架行政院這樣的做法是讓他們損失減輕一旦證明他們的產品他們無錯就應該好 但是我們看到食品衛生 |
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安全衛生管理法第56條之一這個食品安全保護基金啊它是從罰還來的但是它只能用來補助消費者提起訴訟最後賠償的還是敗訴的業者要賠那我們看到了食藥署開罰這樣的一個消費者求償官司但是無辜的中下游上流原料出問題那麼它配合下架那如果一旦確認法律它沒有責任那麼中下游下架這是個損失 |
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他要找源頭犯錯的人來賠償嗎?來求償嗎?是這樣嗎?理論上也不可能可以這個樣子做 |
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是 但是我們想到其實在我們社會當中有很多的產業大家彼此的息息相關所以我這裡大膽的提出請院長指示我們行政院去研擬一下有一個叫做食品加工產銷秩序的風險管理基金怎麼說呢我講兩個例子你就理解過去國人參加旅行社常常因為單一的旅行社跳票 |
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因此團客在國外回不來,沒有錢付旅館錢,沒有錢付機票但是後來我們成立了政府協助之下,成立一個旅行平保協會業者分攤平保基金,政府沒有出錢,他們業者成立的,但是政府促成其中一個旅行業違約,用這筆錢把消費者安全的送回國來 |
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這是一個例子 要集體的保障另外一個叫聯防 什麼意思呢我們過去做過禽流感的清洗農政部門要求每個去禽場只要有禽流感一定要通報可是通報的結果是什麼 是撲殺那撲殺的損失很大 因此政府根據我們的動物傳染病防治條例40條中央跟地方會適度的給這些配合政府預防禽流感配合撲殺的這些養殖業者一些補償 |
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所以我這裡請院長思考一下我們有上流的原料業者有中流的加工者有下流的通路商這是我們國人的食品通路鏈如果我們設立一個食品加工產銷風管基金只要你是主動通報配合下架的未來用這個基金對這些無辜的配合的中下業的業者來進行補償院長可不可以指示經濟部來研擬一下原來 |
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我聽到這樣的一個建議的時候我想說我們是有一個食品安全保護基金但用途是不一樣它是在協助訴訟的費用地方政府的這些食安的計畫等等補助對於委員所說對於中層業者或是下游業者營業上的損失商域上的損失這個食安基金是沒有辦法用到的所以我請 |
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10億元的規模也不足於社會上大的需求可以透過保險的機制我們經濟部有一個食品工業發展研究所當年為了發展我們國內的食品工業經濟部出面請業者共同出資成立一個海產法人這幾年帶動我們的食品技術的進步那現在我們未來的產銷風險建議行政院可以考慮由經濟部來衡量 |
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協助業者成立這樣一個風管基金幫助他們面對這些不是自己的責任不是自己錯誤造成的風險減輕他們的負擔可以考慮一下嗎好 謝謝委員每次我們遇到一個大的事件之後都會對這本身事件將來如何處理讓它更優化也會擴張整個安全的機制那委員所建議的就是一個社會安全機制的一個考量好 我認為我們可以從專業上來做一些 |
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謝謝卓院長願意考量那本來要請教你食安法的修法的時程跟方向因為你提說食安及國安那有包括四個方向但是剛剛在聽您的其他答詢大概都已經講了那麼請問院長對於這個部分還有沒有補充的食安法會在一個禮拜之內完成這個包括第七條第41條有幾個條文 |
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條文的這個修正的草案那會經過行政院的程序即快送請立法院那另外關於食安法相關的一些管理上的執法法規的命令等等我們也會在一個禮拜把它修訂完成讓它更完善另外大家關心的議題啊其實跟衛福部有點關係但是什麼不是衛福部造成的無謂停班造成的迫切醫療排程大亂病有受害要找誰負責啊 |
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這次有地方政府無謂的宣布停班結果造成很多排程不能進行那這個情況不保證未來不會再發生院長再往下看你來看一看獨佔型的服務系統它的營運它不會以天后停班為判準舉例來講台北捷運台北市停班了台北捷運有停死嗎沒有啊 |
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我們看到說如果桃園市政府宣布停班了桃園機場會停止起降嗎 沒有不管桃園市有沒有正常上班下班機場的起降另外判斷包括高鐵高鐵是全台的網路高鐵有沒有停止營運是風雨狀況跟路段來調整跟它沿線的地方政府有沒有停班 沒有關聯吧院長是不是覺得說類似這樣獨佔型的服務系統它適合要維持營運應有獨特的考量 |
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在決定因為風災停班停課之後因為考慮到通行上交通的安全所以對這些有通勤的這些人員盡量減少輸入所以都才全部的停班但是系統的服務醫院要服務病人醫院不會因為說你停班了我就不接受急診的患人 |
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病患嘛 最後我們來看一下包括北榮陳院長他說到延誤了很多還好的開發檢驗那這些有的排很久 等很久我們來看一下 股市是大家最關切的你認為股市停修根據台北的天災決定有個依據呢我查出來了30年前訂了一個辦法 |
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證交所他有沒有修飾要看台北市有沒有停班可是我們想想看這個合理嗎我們來看一下如果說今天台北市是正常上班其他縣市因風雨停班你覺得證券交易所會不會繼續營業 |
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571.747 |
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會啊 那其他停班的地方銀行沒有開 券商沒有開投資大眾人損失怎麼處理 你知道嗎我告訴你怎麼處理其實目前我們目前已經高度化我們是跟國際接軌其實台北市如果停班股市要休市 券商放假但是證交所的人員繼續上班結果停止交易但是如果是其他縣市 |
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573.154 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
600.404 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
有停班呢股市照常開市券商自行決定要不要工作證交所人員一樣上班但是呢票券的就是順延所以目前對於因為銀行、券商不能夠上班但是股市交易持續進行都有補償的機制所以院長我直接講我主張台北釋放颱風架股市照常交易只需要幾個地方要有第一中央銀行的通知系統 |
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601.044 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
621.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
第二券商的總公司銀行的總公司還有證交所不受台北市停班的影響可以維持全國其他縣市還有全國的投資大眾的金融交易跟世界接軌你同意嗎你願不願意考慮一下未來的方向可以研議不過我還是認為停班停課第一要依照中央氣象署 |
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622.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
632.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
那是沒有問題的第二北北激逃或是區域性的中部南部的區域性的不應該影響全國獨佔性的服務系統的影響好不好區域性的生活秩序要讓它一致 |