| IVOD_ID |
170444 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170444 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第17次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第17次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-14T16:05:13+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-14T16:15:46+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:33 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ad2906fa72ef91993e49bff25e83312e684f067b6a62f29a3440596baadc4c6c8773759d3bad123a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳宗憲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
16:05:13 - 16:15:46 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-14T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第17次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院委員洪孟楷、楊瓊瓔、王鴻薇、蘇清泉、林德福、廖偉翔、黃健豪、陳玉珍等52人擬具公民投票提案主文為：「您是否同意政府制定法律，針對性侵害犯罪、凌虐幼童罪、以及高額詐欺罪、複合型態加重詐欺罪，增設由法院宣告並依法執行之特別刑法制度（鞭刑），以嚇阻犯罪持續發生？」請公決案等6案。二、行政院院長率同相關部會首長列席提出中聯油脂大豆沙拉油事件及食安監管機制缺失檢討專案報告並備質詢。（7月14日下午）三、7月14日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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謝謝主席 那我們麻煩院長上台好 請卓院長備詢部委好 院長你好第一個我先說明一件事情其實我國的國家制度國會立委他是監督中央政府 |
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那台中市議員是監督台中市政府但是現在變得很奇怪很多立委在監督台中市政府自己變成台中市議員我雖然我還是這樣啦尊重啦但是我心中是滿滿的不解國會議員什麼時候變成是變台中市議員其實功能是設計不同這邊先說明那我想這次中聯自來油的事件整個國家的食安政策其實有出了一個問題 |
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那到目前為止上週五這個衛福部公布的那個數據是2.75萬噸那當然是這樣平均下來當然不是說吃完了啦就是說平均下來跟每個人可能有關的平均是1.25公升就大概1.15公斤左右其實這些可能會接觸到可能會食用到的這些人裡面有孩子 |
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有老人也有托嬰中心的那也有長照機構的也有軍隊吃飯的所以這個人是非常的廣所以其實我很在意的一個點就是到底我們回收了多少因為我現在知道回收量非常非常的低那還有多少在市面那當然這個跟第一層第二層第三層各種還到調理包調理油等等都有很大的關聯性 |
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那我想這個是跟民生有非常重大那而且我又看到當年民進黨在野的時候在處理我們的鼎新油的時候是如何的捍衛我們國人的安全我們的健康是多麼用力在捍衛但是到今天我就看不到這個尤其是我想7月3號衛福部跟院長您報告這個一級致癌物這個驗出的這個問題的時候當時我知道當天你很忙你還去宜蘭去輔選 |
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但是你當時跟我們的部長您說的是說應再考慮當然這個應再考慮你有你剛說法我有聽到但是這個說法其實目前很多國人沒有辦法接受這個可能要麻煩院長您日後再多加解釋能夠讓我們理解為什麼是應再考慮尤其是這個問題的由其實4月就出來了6月通報那7月3號還沒有做出一個明確的這個 |
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這個那個下架的這個決定那這個我就不太理解還有就是說我們7月1號宣布下架第一層然後7月4號一個20%的幽靈標準這個標準以上才有問題然後7月7號又說不到20要下架7月9號又說中年4到6月所有的油品下架前前後後政府修正好幾次其實一個SOP一個科學的數據不應該是這樣變來變去 |
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那而且是這段時間到底有多少油跟加工油品油在市面上請問你們有掌握嗎這個空窗期有多少委員剛剛你那個圖卡說僅下架第一層那我說應再考慮這意思就是說 |
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不能自己下架第一層為什麼這麼簡單的事情已經講了三四次了這個您在日後跟國人溝通這句話非常多人不懂你的意思而且也麻煩您看一下當天質詢的時候我們的部長是在怎麼樣的問句下面回答同仁的好 沒有 不用 這個東西我現在沒有講請尊重我的質詢 謝謝院長你也當過立委 請尊重我的質詢 |
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所以我沒有辦法就是說了解行政院為什麼用一個更寬鬆的態度在面對這次沒有更寬鬆的嚴謹鼎心有更嚴重的這個問題啦那沒關係 院長這樣好了啦因為我們都是法律人但是我有另外一個專業是公共衛生嘛我自己現在是台大公共衛生的國事候選人那我是麻煩一件事麻煩院長幫忙一件事可不可以請國會院還有國建署用公衛的角度 |
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去做一個長期健康風險的評估啦那我們看一下這次的曝露量對人體實際可能他致癌的機率會增加多少那是不是可以在我們一些宣傳上面告訴我們的民眾可以多飲用多吃什麼樣的食物啊一些那個抗氧化的食物啊可以去加速代謝可不可以麻煩這件事能夠做到 |
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可以嗎?我們來研究好 謝謝這個部分想麻煩一下那再來這次我還有一個疑問點就是說很奇怪的一個就是部長您說你質疑這個檢體造假所以這個權案要送到檢調去當然這個我也是尊重啦但是既然我們一下又覺得這個廠商可能會造假但是呢我們對於這個4到6月的這個 |
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中聯郵的部分還有大統一台灣糖業跟那個強輝我沒有要求是由他們驗然後自主這個檢驗所以這個部分我就不了解你既不相信他們但是你又要他們自己驗那這個原因是什麼 |
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跟委員說明其實自主檢驗這個是在法明訂這個是在食安法明訂的那這個事件之後其實我們也對另外三個主要的上游的提供的業者大統益、台糖、常輝我們也去採樣了也在驗那初步有驗體我們採了三十個樣本初步有三個檢體出來那麻煩增加自主檢驗好不好因為我們民眾已經開始不知道該相信誰的話 |
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我們我希望不要說不敢再往四月以前驗甚至往四月以前我們還要驗因為民眾可能吃下肚了也不要不敢擴大驗看看還有沒有其他的廠商的必須驗我們不能說讓那個人民的常委來幫我們一起 |
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湮滅證據啦把這些有害的油吃光了驗不到就沒事所以麻煩可以的話我們主動擴大驗往前去驗7月10號、12號四家廠商的驗單就在這裡還有一個重點你們這一次所做的五大裁試我在想有漏掉一個部分拖音中心跟長照機構這個部分好像沒有在你們論述裡面講到 |
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但是0到2歲的嬰兒他們的代謝發育還沒有完全那長照機構的長者他們的肝腎功能可能也常常都有一些狀況那這些風險越高的人本來我們防線應該擺在最前面因為他們要嘛就是還不會用筷子的小朋友要嘛就是用筷子都有困難的長者這些人是我們更該保護的是不是可以麻煩你們要專案的清查然後 |
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院長部長一個月內可不可以給我一個就是托嬰中心還有長照機構的這個你們要怎麼處理可以告訴我們一下你們SOP是什麼好不好因為你們這次沒有講到這兩個族群好不好但這兩個族群是最沒有辦法替自己講話的族群拜託一定要做到 |
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我想一個成熟的治理團隊不是說事情爆了我們才來做才在那邊要怎麼樣擠牙膏試著公布很多時候我要有能力把風險越高的這個族群我們要優先來協助他們聲音越小的優先來幫助他們這個才是治理不是一個危機處理這部分麻煩兩位最後我想一個東西 |
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院長報告因為最近有一個媒體他做了一個這個調查他說有這個10萬人的投票他認為你應該下台的是有92.9這麼多那我想當年我就說民進黨在野的時候非常用心捍衛我們人民的食安那當時呢在鼎新遊的時候真的喊出出事就要有人負責要有人下台總統要道歉然後那個院長要下台部長要負責 |
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等等的但是在這一次我們其實沒有看到類似當年捍衛我們安全的這個態度出來所以我一直覺得說我想跟院長報告一下就是因為這一次的民調是這樣 |
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請院長您也要參考一下院長我之前跟你提過你在當立委的時候你的執行以及你的專業是我們都非常崇拜的但是今天我很希望說你也能夠像當年我崇拜的那個那個人一樣 |
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在面對每一件事情那我也不想不理性的來跟各位做質詢那我也想跟院長報告中央政府不能只剩下選舉跟輔選的功能一治國一團亂這樣是不行的譬如說三讀通過的法律可以不執行四憲中也可以當作藉口不執行這全世界民主國家沒有人這樣做啦你這已經創了先例別的民主國家連想都不敢想就我們這邊直接幹 |
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最後一分鐘我想我還是我沒有情願講這次我沒情願想回去但是我很希望跟全國同胞講幾句話我自己是一個五歲小孩兒子不到三個月女兒的爸爸那我也是一個爸爸媽媽都八十幾歲的小孩的兒子 |
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我買個食物你看我怕蘋果有農藥殘留馬鈴薯遇到發芽醬料有蘇丹紅雞蛋有分譜尼我不知道該怎麼辦我很害怕我很害怕我的小孩沒有辦法健康長大我很害怕我的爸媽身體健康受到傷害所以全國各位爸爸媽媽我想告訴全國的這些同胞 |
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你們還有這些同時養老養小的三民治世代你們不害怕不憤怒嗎如果你們也會覺得不甘心喔其實真的要跟我們一樣站起來去面對我們的現在賴清德政府台灣人要憤怒啦台灣人要吶喊啦台灣人要奮鬥啊要告訴國家你做錯了好 |