| IVOD_ID |
170442 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170442 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第17次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第17次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-14T15:43:29+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-14T15:54:04+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:35 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ad2906fa72ef9199259a308a8e57b657684f067b6a62f29a5e65eceeb41f9cd052c7019b845b5da65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱慧洳 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:43:29 - 15:54:04 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-14T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第17次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院委員洪孟楷、楊瓊瓔、王鴻薇、蘇清泉、林德福、廖偉翔、黃健豪、陳玉珍等52人擬具公民投票提案主文為：「您是否同意政府制定法律，針對性侵害犯罪、凌虐幼童罪、以及高額詐欺罪、複合型態加重詐欺罪，增設由法院宣告並依法執行之特別刑法制度（鞭刑），以嚇阻犯罪持續發生？」請公決案等6案。二、行政院院長率同相關部會首長列席提出中聯油脂大豆沙拉油事件及食安監管機制缺失檢討專案報告並備質詢。（7月14日下午）三、7月14日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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有請行政院長有請石崇良部長左院長還有石部長請備詢好院長好部長好我想 |
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我的簡報有個標題叫做政府失能,食安食守我還要再補一句話,人民失望為什麼人民會失望呢?因為政府處理毒油的過程荒腔走板讓我們人民失望失望再失望我剛剛的報告沒有改變你的問題嗎?沒有 |
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在等一下的質詢當中我們就一一的讓他暴露出來先問第一個問題請問應在考慮是考慮什麼你今天會不斷的被問好在問之前我先鋪陳一下7月3號的時候時部長拿著一個106年的食安會議所定的下架標準去跟您請示然後呢你拋出了一句話叫做應在考慮請問應在考慮是考慮 |
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廠商的利益還是人民的健康那剛剛我們答覆你都沒有聽嘛我不認同因為我聽不到我再說明一次我請石部長來是7月3號下午的5點那7月2號石部長已經按照這個處理原則7月3號中午12點下架了這個下架的原則網路上騙尋不到只有你們的手中有人民手中沒有下架原則立法委員手中也沒有下架原則網路上騙尋不到 |
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那沒有關係因為今天時間真的非常有限請問卓院長您所指的應在考慮是在考慮什麼7月3號中午12點上游廠商已經下架了所以7月3號下午的5點他已經下架了 |
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我要考慮的是第二層的這些廠商他要不要下架為什麼應要再考慮呢那些不是就有毒油的風險嗎你重視人民的健康你連考慮就不考慮完全全面的下架因為沒有一件事是比人民的健康還重要的 |
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政府要不要依法行政依法行政那你拿的下架原則只有你手上有啊我們每個人沒有拿到那份原則啊你要不要看到104年我們講了那麼多天了104年食藥屋署做的函是只要有 |
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安全的疑慮,縱使怎樣的結果沒有出來也可以下架,可以非法性的下架我跟妳講106年的事情妳跟我談104年的規定當然是要你是106年的,就是只有你手上有我們手上完全沒有,網路上騙尋不著所以這個審議的下架原則也是在我們全球各方的疑惑如果這東西只有你手上有的話那你自己愛怎麼樣詮釋,愛怎麼樣解釋都可以所以如果第二層的商品沒有 |
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如果應再考慮沒有很奇怪的話為什麼7月5號石崇良部長接受媒體的採訪會說第2層的商品沒下架我第一時間也覺得怪怪的請問一下石部長你是哪裡覺得怪怪的跟委員說明當然當時候在經過我們的 |
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這個食品風險評估諮議會這個是很多的專家委員大家共同訂出這個處理原則然後就如同剛剛我們說明的按照剛時候的這個原則就是屬於第八類那麼第八類我們開始下架在第一層那麼所以 |
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當時我認為啦我認為第二層的食品的樣態還是很多當然有一些他用的很少但是還是有一些部分呢他的含流量是比較高的好沒有關係因為你們如果存心狡辯我是問不到的事項的你106年的這個婚姻鎖定的下校原則真的是騙尋不早 |
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完全騙尋不著終於呢終於呢我們在7月13有看到這個會議記錄然後我們往下去找這個會議記錄的時候想說傳說中的下架原則到底在哪裡記錄呢一下子出現一下子消失最後7月13終於在你們的平台上上架了有這個106年的食安安全會議 |
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上架了但是沒有看到下架原則這個傳說中神秘的下架原則我們感到非常的想要拜讀那結果這個會議打開沒有下架原則只看到說會議紀錄寫要及時採樣以利舉證請問一下說好的下架原則到底在哪裡至今還沒有看到那明明有一個可以救援的神函是為什麼不使用 |
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為什麼不使用如果這個韓式不好早就應該在你們說的106年下架原則出來的時候就把它廢止掉了嘛106年的神韓式不使用請問一下他是被卓院長口中那一句應在考慮所耽誤的一個神韓式嗎 |
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跟委員說明因為當時候只是一個食藥署的函式所以後面為了要正式的所以呢才會去召開食品風險的評估之議會那麼根據所有的專家的共識之後才訂出一個原則 |
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永遠都是個案式的判定並出一個共同性原則你問他會議幾乎跟行政還是哪個效率比較高你就請教你旁邊法學素養也是很豐厚的行政院長那我們接著來看一下食安辦到底督導了什麼食安辦的一個角色功能之一他是要督導業者他有沒有在推行食品安全的時候展現自律的精神請問一下食安辦友好的督導業者有沒有展現自律的精神嗎 |
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石崇良部長說沒有林淑芬也說沒有為什麼沒有呢我們來看一下新聞報導因為石崇良部長在接受新聞記者採訪的時候提到說業者所提供的樣本是造假的 |
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那問這個食安法的作用在哪裡林淑芬表示食安法已經遭到業者的架空了所以請問一下業者滿滿呈現在我們眼前就是不自律不自律不自律請問一下食安辦督導了什麼 |
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根據食安法的話 那麼主管機關有兩個在地方的話就是地方縣市政府 在中央的話就是我們衛福部所以兩個的主管機關 那麼食安辦最主要是在跨部會的協調院長不就召集人 召集人請問一下食安辦督導了什麼 |
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他不是要督導業者有沒有自律嗎結果我們的時事部長說業者所提供的樣本造假然後林淑芬立委說食安法遭業者架空業者呈現在我們眼前完全不自律我們為什麼會說業者的樣本有問題因為業者提供來的這張數據全部都是合格的就是沒有超標的 |
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相同時間算出來的是有超標的所以我們認為這個樣本有問題那造假也是石部長說的所以無論是衛福部或是食安辦沒有去了解沒有經過這樣的調查怎麼會發現這樣不同的數據呢食安辦還有另外一個角色功能他要先辦理食品事件的演練迅速回燒問題的產品米瓶 |
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那個民眾的疑慮齁那請問一下整件事6月30爆發7月7號4點才宣布全面性的預防下架我剛有好好的拜讀您的專報所有4到6月中年有問題的油品是在7月10號中午12點才全面性的下架所以已經delay delay再delay了啦請問這裡有發生所謂的迅速回收產品這個油品的不流的樣態的話是在7月3號就已經 |
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有品7月3號中午12點就下架了所以就是因為7月3號的下午5點鐘我們重新討論才有7月4號的專家會議專家會議那個天兵政策早就被人民笑死了委員你還沒來這裡之前你也是專家你怎麼可以說專家是天兵沒有啦 |
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不是,你們專家的意見,也許有他參考的價值,你們是最後的把關者那在人民的感受就是一個天兵政策,怎麼會出現20%在架上這完全是一個天兵的政策,我是說天兵政策,不是專家政策請問一下,食安辦有沒有及格?食安辦的表現有沒有及格?在卓院長的眼中 |
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出國考察的錢有沒有浪費民脂民膏啦出國考察去學習有沒有浪費民脂民膏食安辦有沒有及格食安辦現在我們在討論的過程中提供這種機會我們才能夠透過衛福部找到這兩個不一樣的檢驗的數據食安的政府就是不及格所以食安辦不及格蔡英文總統聽到我們回答了接著做不好就換人做這也是蔡總統說的請問一下院長你認同嗎做不好就換人做 |
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對,我們應該把這件事情好好的做好好好的做好,那什麼時候要換人做?等做好的時候,什麼時候要換人做?不是,我們會在一個我們一個禮拜之內會把該修的執法修好該修的草案,實案法草案送出來我們跟你講,十年前民進黨立法院黨堂法會自己把食品安全管理好嗎?法不會自己把食品安全管理好 |
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現在呢我們的政府好像也不會把食品安全管理好嗎所以我們看後面的標題江一彎要下台馬一九要道歉對照今天的時空背景請問誰要下台卓榮泰要下台賴清德要道歉請問有嗎這兩件事情有發生在人民的眼前嗎 |
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我們剛剛跟委員報告就是從6月30號7月1號到現在每一天的作為請問一下有人要下台嗎上台靠機會下台靠智慧請問我們現在的國內閣有這樣的智慧嗎請問誰要下台請問這件事有人要負起責任請問誰要下台 |
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今天來這裡做專案報告是對於中聯遊行的事情我們不是來討論內閣的問題內閣的閣員有內閣閣員有事任不事任有行政責任在追究我自然會處理內閣閣員有事任不事任有行政責任好好 謝謝 |