| IVOD_ID |
170402 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170402 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-09 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-20-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
21 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-09T10:17:46+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-09T10:31:06+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:20 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/819c86070d9120f75bbb723125561b62c6cfcebe9e655170142d3e502dfb7fe199a31e873eea2ed35ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:17:46 - 10:31:06 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-09T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第21次全體委員會議（事由：邀請中央銀行楊總裁金龍就「股市、通膨、匯率與房市多重風險中，中央銀行中長期因應策略與政策工具」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【7月8日及9日兩天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席以及各位先進有請央行的這個央總裁請總裁 |
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賴委員早總統好其實我們都很喜歡你來的謝謝啦謝謝你都想想方法我也很喜歡來這裡看看那個來跟賴委員請安啊多看看啦 培養感情啦來請安你都沒來 感情好像比較爽 |
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嘿 大家因為你很重要管錢的 你這個 你看你聽到我咨詢你的時候你說這個第七波的信仰管制stop here喔 這樣第二天就這樣 銀件股的起降是不是stop here 是確定沒有了嗎我問你是不是確定沒有了 |
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確定沒有了不會再對房地產動刀我們滾動是檢討我們滾動是檢討等一下這一題要問你喔我就請問你啦來這裡跟你談的就是一個啦Money talk 講錢啦 |
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現在請問你 股市你覺得有沒有過熱股市有無過熱 成家量最近已稍減股市 我想我要先說的我個人的判斷 因為股市 我不是股市的專家所以我個人的意見 但是我個人是認為就是說我們的股市也有它的基本面 |
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當然你的股市的基本面是集中在電子資通信在那邊沒有錯 |
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因為我們的股市一方面也受到美國股市的影響特別是匯程半導體是不是我可以用白話文說楊總裁說股市最近沒有過日非常正常這樣可以嗎 |
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我不敢做這樣的一個結論因為我為什麼說我不敢因為就是說我剛剛已經也講了就是說我不是股市專家 |
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我只能說我們希望我們的投資人不要過度的槓桿不要過度的槓桿去投資 當有一天因為現在他上去的時候 |
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我們現在有四代同堂甚至於六代同堂我們講四代房貸 信貸 融資 股票直接事實上四代同堂這個楊總裁你剛才的說法我們希望槓桿越低越好所以基本上你不樂見四代同堂 |
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那這個錢帶出來之後去投入股市世代同堂會讓人家confuse會讓人家混淆以為就是說我一個人他可以做這樣的同樣的一個同堂他的意思就是同堂所以同堂的意思很容易讓人大問題我拿方子去打我應該我們應該就說這個投資 |
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這個投資人他用房貸去然後去借錢那這個投資人另外一個投資人他用信貸那這個投資人他用融資他個別啦那你如果說把它說世貸這個兩個都是都是綁在一起我覺得這個機率不高 |
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可是人家統計的 人家統計的說但是你可以統計 你只能讓人家說我營養辦理個人理財周轉金的11個月對嘛 所以你就說所以你個人理財周轉金只能講融資的這個部分啊 |
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只是講融資的他沒有就說這個個人理財是包括所有的這些沒有所以我就總覺得有啦有啦有啦你這樣子跟社會這個主流的講法沒有沒有一個人他可以用融資他可以借貸我給你數字他就很厲害了 |
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五月份跟去年比較房貸增加4830萬車貸增加175萬房子貸款增加6400億這些不是億啦房貸增加4800多億車貸增加100多億 |
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融資增加六千多億這個大部分都是跑去股市就是一般人要分析的就跟你這樣講所以你說世道同堂世道同堂是存在的不是不存在 |
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不是啦 我的意思就是說有啦 房貸這個是存在的啦信貸呢 這是存在的啦那個融資存在的 股票直接這是存在的但是呢 他所謂的世代同堂會讓人家conclude就是說一個人他可以同時做這樣的一個信用啦 信用組合啦 |
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那我總覺得這個有些有不是沒有啦有些有啦有啦如果說有我想那個不多啦如果有啦我沒有這個數據啦但是我可以推論因為銀行不可能銀行不可能讓你這樣子除非他是非常有錢我負擔啊對不對我房貸找假銀行信貸找銀行沒有沒有因為他有連徵的資料他有連徵的資料 |
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廉政一查就可以知道就是說他在哪裡借錢所以簡單來講就是你非常看世代同堂這四個字很不爽就對了啦不是我不是說他不爽而是說我說他都很濃厚會有一點誇張我在理監事會的時候呢我也這樣講我就說他是有一點誇張啊那你這個把我們旁邊的記者都罵到了喔 |
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那你如果說他有房貸那這個沒問題他有信貸沒有問題他有融資有問題你看你剛剛講的話我毛幾個記者你再剝脫他的頭髮表示不認同我報告委員我說我在這邊講第一我不是股市專家股市最近有回檔是不是顯著在說 |
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那麼外資VS大媽小白髮人呢外資最近賣超了八千多億他錢有沒有匯出去啊所以我在我跟那個委員報告就是說就投資來講的話我如果說我就說人家有說停損跟停利停損就是說一直下來的時候因為他要那個什麼他的損失不能再一直下去 |
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那他停歷呢就是說你上來的時候呢你不能就說一直就上去一直來來來媽我現在問你一面回答我所以呢也就是說我認為我認為呢他是在停歷他在停歷停歷了齁停歷也就是他獲利了結好那我就問你最近外資匯出去匯出國外的匯出台灣都有多少錢嗎 |
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他會出 我跟委員報告因為他每天都在變動不過我很明確的跟委員報告我們最近才發佈我們第一季的干預的數據 |
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干預的數據我們就調節在市場賣匯這個賣匯大部分都是跟外資有關係我跟您報告一下我們第一季我們關賣匯就125億美元 |
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120億美金 折算台幣大概4000億左右就是說匯出去了這個4000億大部分都是它匯出的啦那現在等於說Net它有匯進匯出嘛 Net就是4000億 |
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我就說是第一劑啦第一劑啦那第二劑以後的話呢它還是會再出去的啦所以你現在看到的是會出去的毒對啦 會出去的這個就是我在講啊就是說它是停利嘛它就是停利嘛 |
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我們來看現在通膨已經2.6了喔你來這裡講好幾次喔2%是你能夠忍受的現在2.6了你怎麼辦但是呢我的報告也有講得很清楚喔 |
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我們事實上這月份的2.6我們上次的那個我們的報告裡面我們也講得很清楚我們在上季的時候我們就說我們是估測我們第二季包括這個2.6我們就包括進去我們那時候還沒有就6月的時候我們是估計我們的第二季是2.10 |
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我們是2.10 就第二季 第二季就四五六平均啦那時候我們也有考慮到六月份會比較高所以我們那個時候 三四五六這個平均起來我們是2.10今年的CPI可以多少 今年的這一次第二季是多少 實際的呢 2.17所以我們只有低估了0.07而已 |
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所以這個就是說是在我們後來我們就說假設說這個呢把它放進去了以後包括在我們六月份的那個我們把第三劑跟第四劑呢我們說好那維持我們在六月份的一個估計那這樣的話呢我們現在呢是1.93 |
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GDP成長多少我們GDP是9.459.45組織總數估了可能會超過4%他沒有他是9.64不過我跟委員報告就是說像這種估計一定會再revise |
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不可能 一定會再修正的時間到了 但是你最近的回答 真高 二樓四樓答案就在那裏 你不講答案 破綻很多謝謝啦 謝謝啦 我還是喜歡來這裏跟委員請安第一個你要多來 |
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直接剪單有利 剪單出報才對 我很平素我覺得有一個很重要的 新清安現在加一個年紀排戶所以你原來的信用管制第七波 所以沒有了可是你透過新清安 還是等於信用管制的2.0加起來 |
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所以你有在信任官司 不是沒有喔謝謝 謝謝啦我這樣有對嗎謝謝不是 你同意不同意嗎我沒有comment |
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這個等於是另外一種另類的信用管制怎麼沒有所以你留一手 |
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這個最後一句話啦齁我感謝主席派你來因為好久沒有看到你啊啊對啦 我也喜歡你我喜歡在這裡 親愛的 親愛的阿來齁阿比鳳這樣 歐陽社就捨幾步那個答案就給我們了大家捨幾步擔保好 謝謝我們結束濫時保委員的質詢 |