| IVOD_ID |
170374 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170374 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-35-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第26次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
26 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第26次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-08T12:40:18+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-08T12:51:22+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:04 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/4fafa81be08c8210da115e44129f38b6701c2adc7b5d6a2b77dd9ed03a6d74a7c8e9d6e5b85468935ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:40:18 - 12:51:22 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第26次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國防部部長顧立雄報告「少子化衝擊下國軍人力資源政策與未來因應規劃」，並備質詢。） |
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麻煩請部長有請顧部長是 岳文部長 先請教一下因為部長昨天有去那個屏東九鵬基地去試導相關的生生飛彈的一些操演狀況想問說就是昨天去 特別選在昨天去有沒有什麼特別的宣示的意義有沒有 |
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因為它就是6號、7號、8號嘛,那我就選一天過去看一下這個相關的,因為有神宮跟神陰的草原,那特別就神宮草原的部分首次有人稀釋了無人刺症回彈的一個設計嘛, |
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那我想去瞭解一下,而且幫部隊打氣一下,然後也瞭解訓練的實況。那現在看起來怎麼樣?我們現在整體的狀況? |
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就訓練來看的話應該都是應該說按計畫執行那也達到這個訓練的一個成效那我想我們我看了以後我當然覺得我們可以再進一步的在 |
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密集的 不說更密集 應該是說訓練只有更好 沒有最好所以應該有關這些 譬如說我們首次這個人膝自然會帶來一個射擊嘛那這個我在現場看到以後 我覺得應該可以再更多的一個射擊的訓練那這第一個 第二個當然 |
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要貼近更實戰化的一個場景裡面去做這樣子我覺得這個都是可以再進一步進進的那尤其人氣事實上當然這是首次嘛那我們去看我個人覺得他們的訓練都是很辛苦的然後要賦予這樣子的一個 |
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追苗等等這些我在現場看到可以充分的感受到這個是不容易的一件事情所以要透過一個精實的訓練我對他們的受到這樣的精實訓練是感到蠻高興的好 謝謝部長接下來跟部長討論一下今天我們主題主要就是軍中人力的問題 |
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因為我們看到那個國防部送來的立法院的書面報告是有指出因為有這個薪資待遇調整的關係然後志願役的人力的成長有到五千人但是其實我在網路上面看到有很多軍中的弟兄蠻不以為然這件事情就是說這個五千是不是數字的美化可能部長還是要了解一下因為譬如說有人就講說那你就講到增加的他怎麼沒有講到跑道多少 |
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然後會不會半年後會有一些賠錢的新聞因為他們如果說欠人志願役如果提早離開可能又賠錢嘛然後還有會不會一種說法是增加近來60但是不市府的55%然後還有提醒要不要看一下報退的人數所以我覺得這個在給立法院報告的時候應該精準啦就是說當然也可能你們在真人的部分有成長可是那對整體的能力來說到底有沒有提升因為有進就有出嘛 |
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所以這個部分部長您的了解是怎樣?就整體剛剛其實有其他委員指教也就是說我們當然也有這個進來的當然也有出去的那總體來講還是增加了3000多個在114年的跟113年比較那所以總的來講還是呈現一個成長所以按照現在的做法之後應該還是會成長 |
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我們總是要兢兢業業來從事各項的工作但總體來看當然就是說現在人數還是呈現成長那另外一個就是戰鬥部隊的邊線比的問題因為雖然整體國軍來說是八成可是你看有一些特別特殊軍種的戰鬥部隊就比較差一點比如說像海軍的士兵現在的邊線比在陸戰隊 |
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國防部戰砲各連手備運輸防空飛彈連才60.49%各艦隊的部隊的61.21%然後像戰術深舟大隊62.63%空軍的防空飛彈部隊才40.78%所以這個是非常的低那這個應該就是老問題了所以我不曉得國防部針對這些戰鬥部隊邊線比那麼低有沒有什麼比較具體的做法 |
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所以每一個單位,它的邊線比低的原因都要加以檢討嘛對,因為這個應該討論一點點的我舉個例子啦,比如說您講的各艦隊的,它士兵的這個部分的邊線比低啊那就涉及到他們這個海情加急的這個部分,我們就必須要對這個部分來做以檢討因為海情加急的部分,在士兵、士官、軍官是有些差異的 |
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那同樣大家都在艦隊上面服務那這個海警的這個佳績的部我們就會來檢討 |
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那這樣的話找出這個因為他士兵的邊線比較低嘛可是士官跟軍官的邊線比較高嘛所以我們就要找出這個理由然後再來提供所以部長你應該是已經找到理由了嘛現在只是說你什麼時候就每個各部隊對啦我意思是說我意思是說這其實不是新的數據啦應該這一兩年來每個各部隊都要逐一來檢討對我部長應該是我的意思是說先執行的問題嘛因為這一兩年來應該很多人都跟你討論過這個問題 |
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但是我現在問你 你還是說我們要找到原因然後有些原因你也是知道所以現在就是什麼時候要去實施嘛比如說你說各艦隊士兵的訓練比較低你什麼時候要實施的問題所以就是要跟人總已經都討論了那你什麼時候要實施因為現在總體的整個方案我們總是要尊重人總 |
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那人總跟我們討論出確定了以後我才能夠對外所以你應該是這樣講就是說你現在已經有一個方案了也跟人總來討論了是然後所以只要人總同意OK就會都來公佈嘛所以這個東西是在進行當中啦是是是因為因為當時總議院副委的時候也是說我們辦年齡所以行政院現在有一體的軍控叫加薪那之外我們的各項加級那我們適切的去討論各項的原因那我們用加級都是包在那個 |
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軍公教加薪裡面嗎沒有沒有軍公教加薪我們是另外的所以他還會再找時間公布就對了對對我們總體討論以後有一個確定的方案我們就會來公布這樣子然後根據這個原因譬如說 |
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像委員就指出來,你看喔,如果各艦隊的部隊,他的士兵的邊線比跟士官跟軍官的邊線比低,那你要找出他的原因,那你如果全部一體加這個志願役的加級的話,而沒有再特別去調整那個士兵的這個海潛的這個加級的話, |
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可能還是沒有對症效藥所以我們必須要照顧到基層的士兵所以海情的這個部門的加緊要有調整這個我都懂了啦因為剛剛都有講過我們現在講的是什麼時候要實施嘛那我現在抓一個時間如果我沒有理解錯誤的話你們已經把這些問題都跟人總討論過了嘛 |
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但是現在要尊重人種公佈的時程嘛我現在如果沒有理解錯誤應該是這樣嘛所以現在知道問題要知行合一嘛那接下來就是等人種公佈了然後再來我再來問一下因為我現在看你們不釋服就是剛剛講說有進有出啦不釋服確實每一年逐年有在減少啦11年是3623嘛112是 |
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到了3928但是到了113 114 115你看下滑蠻快的那應該是跟軍中目前調整一些生活起居的舒適度各方面管理可能有關但是還是要提醒一下部長因為也有一些在網路上有看到有一些軍人的反應他說不市府的數量減少可能跟那個流程被卡住有關 |
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像有人想要調職呢 就先擋退伍也擋然後或者是說已經明明跟負責人士幹部提出了但偏偏都卡在沒有約談所以沒有辦法往下跑程序然後也有人提到就是說這個報退程序可能會拖到一年以上 |
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那我是不曉得是不是有一個潛規則啦就是說有下令說有人假設要申請提早退伍的話是不是有說盡量在程序上慢一點然後讓這個數字好看有沒有這個潛規則 |
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跟委員報告是這樣就是說第一個有一個是個案的問題一個是長期趨勢來看所以剛剛委員講的是個案我沒有辦法完全排除有這個可能性但是如果有發現這種狀況我們一定會下去處理但是您剛剛也提到如果你長年來看就是說已經三年了它都呈現下降的趨勢那就表示說我們相關的一些政策作為是有效的因為你不可能說每一個報退的人他都有 |
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他都被擋然後但是整體整年的還是呈現下降的趨勢這個所以我們我當我國安部立場我是說如果有個案發現那這個要去處理那國安部立場是在政策面上面去製造一個讓這個不適合的人數逐年下降的一個好的環境這是我們國安部應該有的政策那如果說有個案因為個案多就變通案嘛 |
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所以你也要去了解一下說軍中有沒有說在人家報退的程序上故意卡人家盡量就不要卡這個當然都要看哪個單位嘛都要下去處理盡量去不要卡然後再來請教一下就是國防部有講說未來國軍將依科技取代人力及火力取代傳統兵力兩大方向前進請問一下什麼科技取代人力是指什麼 |
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因為這個寫的比較抽象一點,科技取代人力,然後火力取代傳統兵力是指什麼?我們請設計師來介紹一下。你好,我是設計師長,報告。那針對剛剛講的部分,我們針對組織邊桩有做調整。那在區分的幾個部分,來跟您說明,我們有區分無人系統。那我們運用無人機跟無人的載具,進行偵查,還有警戒,還有... |