| IVOD_ID |
170362 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170362 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-20-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
21 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-08T11:33:14+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-08T11:41:43+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:29 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/4fafa81be08c8210b55e33a555679c77203c8b184455ea81d75944b02079af305656869f75d93f9c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:33:14 - 11:41:43 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第21次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分，有關財政部主管臺灣土地銀行股份有限公司、財政部印刷廠、臺灣菸酒股份有限公司。（僅詢答）
二、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分，有關金融監督管理委員會主管中央存款保險股份有限公司。（僅詢答）
三、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分，有關金融監督管理委員會主管：（僅詢答）
(一)特別收入基金－金融監督管理基金。
(二)信託基金－保險業務發展基金。
【7月8日及9日兩天一次會】） |
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主席 在談委員先進列協政府經濟事務長官員會長 公眾夥伴媒體記者女士先生首先我們請財政部莊部長還有負稅署的宋署長後半段呢 要請台灣煙酒公司的湯董事長那另外也要請 請部長 請湯董還有彭金榮 彭主委也要跟您請教一下我們TISA的事情 好 彭主委 |
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好部長好我們請教一下我在2025年那時候呢跟今年年初兩次提到就是勞退的舊字可不可以銜接新字就沒想到呢就在我們今年四月的時候有六位委員七位委員發出呼求之後呢終於勞動部同意了他說關於上一頁 |
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開放純就職勞工得提前結算就職年資將退休金一次匯入勞退薪資的個人專戶確保不影響原僱主跟其他勞工的權益之下保障就職勞工的權益部長我們勞動部所屬的銀行有沒有屬於就職勞工 |
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不是啊財政部所屬的銀行有沒有救治勞工有沒有救治勞工應該有啦國營事業都有啊中澳台電油水都很多啊國營事業的勞工他們都那你支持這樣一個方案嗎下一頁就是來上一頁只要對我們對勞工朋友有利而且也已經經過勞動部的評估我想當然是支持啊那你知道這個方案的精神嗎因為我們應該部長都是屬於類似公保的 |
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我是宮保市長那你知道他的差別在哪裡嗎我簡單講很快的講就是 |
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原來國營事業當中或者說就職勞工他只要成就了退休條件他的基數可能領到滿他已經年滿可以退休年齡了這時候雇主要讓他就職的一次退休金放到台銀的帳戶放到台銀帳戶之後會升利息但是勞工他那時候開始他的年資他的退休金不會再增加了到他退休前他那段工作時間他的定額的退休金漲的利息不是他的 |
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是雇主的那對雇主來講勞工雖然還沒退休要給他的退休金已經提前放到台穎的帳戶裡面了他也不能拿去做運用也不能去買積富通也不能買TISA也不能買所有的這些基金好那現在我們讓他有這個機會 |
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他如果說已經55歲他已經可以退休年齡了他也退休基數也滿了這時候這筆錢呢在他65歲退休之前他可以拿出來放到新制退休金的帳戶你知道目前新制的勞退啊經營的績效如何我看報紙說去年上半年我們又平均每戶增加11萬多嘛來請下下彭主委 |
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我們要考一下彭主委他對於這個基金的經營來我們看一下來往下看這些員工就職勞工的都可以那請問目前我們的新制的勞退金的經營績效跟目前我們金管會在推的TISA績效相比怎麼樣我想我沒有確切數據不過吉寶他們回報的話我們現在從因為去年是超過那個 |
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勞退新制的經營情況嗎因為他們的那個投資的基礎不一樣啦據我所知從去年七月開始到現在基金的報酬在TESA那幾檔基金報酬都不錯對不錯來部長來那簡單講齁就是你同意吧因為你們是雇主啊要勞雇雙方同意才能推欸你們同不同意如果公股行庫所屬的勞退純休制勞工有意願提前結算你同不同意 |
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這個新的制度當然是要應該依照制度來做那我是建議你們也因為國營這個我們這個金融機構的員工比較靈活他如果發現金管櫃的那個部分那個TISA好像獲利比較多你可不可以讓他們提到TISA去雖然我知道你們是定期訂額那如果經營效不錯可不可以代薪投靠到那裡去這個要看個人的意願吧主委您會不會去爭取 |
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我想這是兩套不一樣的制度啦一個是真的就是一個正式退休制度一個是民眾自選的一個投資方案好 謝謝主委我現在再給我兩分鐘再問一下我們今天要請教部長 |
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本席我們在去年開始兩次的院會跟記者會兩次記者會我們發現中國的鋼品跟啤酒傾銷當時候經濟部判斷有初步損害後來的反傾銷我們通過了我們看一下成果怎麼樣進口啤酒從2023年它超過了國產啤酒 |
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那國產啤酒呢,這幾年持續下滑,終於在我們反傾銷確認之後呢,拉回來了部長,我要跟你肯定啊,因為這個反傾銷的部分呢,這是得來不易部長,是不是覺得反傾銷還是有用的?呃,當然是的好,但是呢,傾銷的酒的問題呢,還有很多喔,我們往下看喔部長,我在猜你大概沒有喝過Whisky啦,或保麗達啦它叫做藥酒,請問你認為藥酒是藥還是酒? |
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來 我請董事長回答一下藥酒是藥還是酒謝謝委員我想這個應該是法律身份的不同藥酒應該屬於在藥事管理法裡面對 那我們的酒是屬於在菸酒管理法裡面我不知道委員是要問哪一個部分董事長能夠清楚的說出威士忌跟保麗塔是藥酒是屬於藥品不是酒所以你們公司不賣來 部長請來 部長 |
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但是呢 這兩者的稅啊 菸酒就有稅 稅裡面呢 菸酒稅還有飲用酒跟料理酒 你知道這個稅的差別吧 |
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是的 是的好 那往下看目前我們的釀酵酒啤酒是每公升26塊錢其他釀酵酒每公升每度收7塊錢像清酒跟紅酒如果是蒸餾酒是每公升每度2.5元如果是再制酒像人家調製的酒超過28的部分每公升每度加185元但是如果20%以下每度每公升只有7塊錢部長妳有沒有喝過再制酒 |
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請檢答我們盡速回應請問部長這個酒為什麼稅這麼複雜 |
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蒸餾酒 啤酒 釀造酒 再制酒 為什麼稅都不同什麼原因我們一開始的時候有跟酒精濃度會有關係酒精濃度為什麼 酒精濃度跟稅有關那也有WTO的相關的規範來 我給你一個建議 因為主席站起來了在去年我們在推無糖飲品免貨物稅財政部支持嘛 |
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國人的反應很好,因為外國是喝糖稅,喝加糖的料另外付稅,我們是喝不加糖的不用稅,我覺得這個方向國人是接受,但是我們看糖有健康風險,但是飲用酒的類別濃度跟製程對身體有不同健康的影響,像韓國的燒酒,我剛從韓國回來,以前日本的清酒的三倍增是加水稀釋的, |
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所以這些像日本的燒酒或韓國燒酒過去他們普遍的認為對健康的風險較高是不是可以請未來財政部針對飲用酒的類別濃度跟製程做不同國民健康風險的評估可不可以 |
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有關國民健康風險的評估可能我們要跟衛福部做討論很好 所以我做結論主席站起來所以我希望未來呢我們酒稅可以考慮一下貨物稅考慮國人的健康為添加糖類的飲品免貨物稅但是除了考量酒精濃度之外我們希望對於各種各種酒精濃度較低的再製酒他們對於健康的風險飲用有沒有危害也應該納入未來我們稅市的一個制定的標準去參考好不好 |
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我們來做研議看看謝謝謝謝中央加B委員接下來請楊瓊英委員 |