| IVOD_ID |
170343 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170343 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-20-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
21 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-08T10:44:40+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-08T10:56:11+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:31 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/4fafa81be08c82109de08c89f1372b7e203c8b184455ea81a89c27feb000dbf5e744949ebbc1455f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
顏寬恒 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:44:40 - 10:56:11 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第21次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分，有關財政部主管臺灣土地銀行股份有限公司、財政部印刷廠、臺灣菸酒股份有限公司。（僅詢答）
二、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分，有關金融監督管理委員會主管中央存款保險股份有限公司。（僅詢答）
三、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分，有關金融監督管理委員會主管：（僅詢答）
(一)特別收入基金－金融監督管理基金。
(二)信託基金－保險業務發展基金。
【7月8日及9日兩天一次會】） |
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主席有請我們財政部莊部長還有我們飲酒公司湯董事長我想先請教我們莊部長那個台酒 |
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台北啤酒工廠這個產能利用率高達96%是高居所有啤酒廠之冠但是它面臨說做得越多虧得越多這種現象連續五年陷入這種營運虧損 |
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那請問財政部作為大股東針對台北啤酒工廠的一個資產活化跟轉型觀光這個部分那何時才能夠實質的改善那其是不是因為單價成本過高的問題然後呢如何讓這座百年古蹟的廠房能夠轉虧為盈部長可以說明一下嗎有關台北啤酒工廠我們先講說資產活化的部分 |
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那這個因為裡面的有關那個製酒的是屬於設備的活保存這是一個是古蹟所以在這一塊這個園區範圍內對於古蹟的保存維護這是最重要的另外在這一塊土地如何做最好的利用那部分已經是提供給這個台北科技大學做建校校地使用其餘還有就是由研究公司來未來做開發作為營運總部 |
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那當然對於苦肌的維護保存這個是非常重要也是會持續的會再做更好的運用那至於它的生產的一些成本等等我想是不是由菸酒公司董事長來為您做說明是好好請湯董說明一下 |
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委員好 跟委員報告一下我想建國啤酒廠它是一個超過百年的工廠我們最大的生產價值不是生產啤酒而是生產台灣品牌的故事那也是一個很有意義的地方 |
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那因為周邊現在都已經是商業區也是高級住宅區所以我們在今年的第一季已經把我們西側的7000坪的土地跟另外600坪的倉庫全數都活化也會在今年底全部開幕會增加我們的收益來降低現在這個保留的啤酒工廠的這個成本跟委員報告 |
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主要當然你說主要這個原因是因為銷售量下滑投料跟我們報告最主要是這個建國啤酒工廠台北啤酒工廠它的產能是屬於比較小的那它不適合在那裡做大量的生產不只台北啤酒工廠因為菸酒公司的九個酒廠裡面有六個六個酒廠都陷入虧損那屏東 花蓮 埔里它的虧損持續在擴大 |
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那嘉義、宜蘭直接由雲轉虧嘛但很多廠長他們的反應是說因為設備老舊設備老舊所以就必須要頻繁的一個停產然後搶修導致這個產能利用率低下 |
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所以不只是虧損的廠在虧連原本賺錢的也萎縮了我們烏日廠就這樣子烏日散化竹壤啤酒廠這五年的一個固定資產報酬率都幾乎是腰斬所以我想銷售量下滑 |
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還有就是說產這個投料跟生產量同步的減少他除了市場結構的改變之外最主要就是面臨國際大廠國際大廠在我們台灣他這個部分他做了很多的這樣子投入一些大型的廣告宣傳 |
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那對於這些年輕的客戶群紛紛的都被這些吸引了所以近期我知道我們研究公司這邊一直在研發新口味的這樣的一些產品那其中很多年輕人喜歡的部分這是給予肯定的 |
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那也有做對於這個所謂的像動漫有跟動漫做一個結合嘛這個確實有對於一些年輕族群有一些吸引有一些效果這個要給予肯定但是 |
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對於未來我們的一個通路這樣子一個創新的策略如何打入年輕人最喜歡的這樣子場所你有做什麼樣的配置跟佈置董事長謝謝委員我想我們接下來最重要的因為國營企業我們的第一目標是會降低我們的製造成本 |
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我們的產能利用率偏低是因為來自於設備都很多都是20年以上過去公賣的時代因為專賣所以產能都特別大那回應一下剛剛委員的說法其實我們九個酒廠在去年有三個酒廠 |
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宜蘭花蓮跟屏東產能利用率都有持續的提升那烏日啤酒廠今年也會獲利跟委員報告那至於品牌的部分年輕化跟創新還有年輕人喜歡淡口味的啤酒的部分我們會持續的繼續的來加強董事長你們去年114年度 |
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今年1.15年度的本期淨利比去年就減少了10億多所以面對這樣子一個盈利的短缺 |
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那你有什麼樣的做法跟我們報告我們的業績的稅前淨利的短缺百分之接近80是來自於加熱鹽 香菸沒有通過那啤酒的部分 啤酒減低大概21%1到5月我們啤酒現在應該下滑是2%我這邊的數據是2% |
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我想就是說因為有今年的研發技術跟創新的產品這是好事嘛但是在行銷跟通路的佈局上我們是不是台酒公司 |
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相對於這些國際大廠,我們就拔卡拔手了感覺好像沒有辦法大放手腳去做這樣子的一個行銷的策略推動所以我想就是說請教因為我們財政部是大股東嘛要給我們研究公司一個正確上、政策上的支持讓我們 |
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台酒公司在未來的一個行銷策略要有充足的子彈才可以跟這些國際大廠來做一個競爭所以請教部長我們要給我們台酒公司什麼樣的一個支持可以說一下嗎我們對於菸酒公司當然第一個一定是支持的 |
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然後董事長跟總經理也都非常的努力第一個就是在品牌上除了研發新的一個品牌因為消費者的一個消費習慣或者是說喜好也不斷的轉變那他們也非常努力的開發相關的新的產品那第二個就在行銷策略上也不斷的更新然後讓高剛社會能夠接軌讓大家可以更認識我們台酒公司的好的產品 |
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那當然剛剛也提到加熱菸的部分那加熱菸因為必須要 |
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通過健康風險評估那已經送衛福部去做這個部分那已經委員會的審議已經有第九次請他們再補充資料那這個部分我們也請菸酒公司儘快把資料補充那我們也請我們的國庫署的署長也有去跟衛福部這邊去了解他們到底需要再補什麼樣的資料能夠更具體讓他們能夠儘快的通過健康風險評估能夠生產製造販售是 |
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部長 我們國營事業不只是要追求獲利就是主要啦 部長 部長我們是要能夠帶動產業發展 對不對提升我們國家品牌的價值當然是的對嘛 對嘛 所以所以說財政部要全力的來支持然後也要善盡督導支持像這個百年品牌 是 |
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台酒這個百年品牌能夠成功的找到我們的成長動能不只是在國內國內市場要守住還要開拓國際市場這個部分謝謝委員的支持因為時間有限我想再請教一下部長我們6月19日公股銀行的董總聯席會議提到的這些防詐ATM的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
524.437 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
544.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
那這個是今年的銀行業務的重點佈局那只要提款者面部有這些遮掩物或者是口罩、安全帽、墨鏡之類的那ATM就會發出警示那主要就是要防止這些車手但是目前因為上次五年金融會主委有 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
545.507 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
567.413 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
的質詢他提到說到4月底我們的設置只有2%公股銀行的部分那到今年的年底會達到30%那面對接下來這8個月要提升15倍這個部分那財政部是否有掌握公股銀行的一個這樣子的一個升級的時程目前到底是多少這第一個問題第二個問題就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
570.356 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
593.582 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
道高一尺 謀高一丈你知道詐騙的這些車手他一定會改變他的策略既然你供股的有這些防範的這些遮掩物的這樣子的一些防止這些東西所以車手就會大量的轉移到民營銀行的這些體管機ATM去做提領 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
594.795 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
612.093 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
那如果說這樣子的情況那這些民營的他有沒有跟上他有沒有調隊民營的銀行啊他輸量會比公營的多所以會變成說所有的這些詐騙的車手都跑去民營的提款機去取款這個部分那他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
613.214 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
642.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
跟我們公營公股銀行的體管機這樣子有沒有同步我們要達到30%那他們到底幾%這是第二個問題那如果說我們財政部是不是可以跟金管會這些跨部會跨體系的聯防機制避免說這些防照的效果會有一個排擠作用因為都公股在做都政府機關在做所以民營也跟不上那這樣子所有的詐騙車手都跑去民營的 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
643.539 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
658.309 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
這樣子會變成另外一個大漏洞所以這個問題就是說部長在這邊就因為時間的關係希望部長可以來很重視這個問題跟我們金管會跟我們公股銀行將這一些聯防機制把它做好可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
659.482 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
676.465 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
跟委員報告有關ATM導入臉部遮蔽的市井功能那我想金管會是鼓勵各銀行設置這樣的一個功能那在財政部來說當然我們會督導我們的公股行貨儘快去做這個普遍性要給一個標準要求我們要求他們儘快去做這樣的一個市井功能然後能夠打造普遍性 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
688.668 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
689.133 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
好的 謝謝部長 |