| IVOD_ID |
17033 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17033 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-35-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-13T08:35:39+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-13T11:15:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
02:39:21 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/7a505bc1fba11f2d9bd2a7f32a503ebbdeaf6de9820cbb82914d0d15f34b2c029913626abd907e3f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國防部部長顧立雄報告「國軍編現比提升之具體方案及因應作法」，並備質詢。（11月12日及13日二天一次會）） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:35:39 - 11:15:00 |
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我們現在繼續開會請議事人員宣讀本日議程報告事項報告事項 邀請國防部部長顧立雄報告國軍邊線筆提升之具體方案及因應做法並被質詢宣讀完畢因為我們昨天跟今天是兩天一次會我先介紹在場的委員我們陳永康委員 早 |
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另外今天由顧立雄部長來率隊來參加那部長因為今天有重要會議事前也提出請假那本席給予准假12點12點的話要離開我們委員會那接下來是副參謀總長執行官黃志偉上將常務次長楊基勇權動署署長李定忠 |
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總督察長是總督察長盧建忠參事石文榮政務辦公室主任孫立芳政治專案局局長石順文軍備局局長林文祥主計局稅計處處長陳偉霆 |
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軍醫局醫管處處長王玉琦站規司司長黃文啟司規司司長藍靜婷法律事務司的司長吳義聖整平司司長苗慧芬苗司長好像是我們這個房子裡面待最久的 |
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是 沒關係 繼續沒有關係 請坐好 這個國防採購室主任趙雅萍人事參謀次長是次長劉沛志勤次次次長謝日昇作戰級計畫參謀次長是次長連志威後勤參謀次長是次長李鳳翔 |
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通信電子資訊參謀次長是次長謝俊山訓次是次長郭俊德陸軍參謀長陳建義海軍參謀長邱俊榮空軍參謀長李慶然後備指揮部參謀長薛淵權縣指部參謀長文念忠 |
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後勤指揮部參謀長梁永坤資通電軍指揮部參謀長周文祥軍情局執行長李永康電展室執行長林振偉廣東大學教育長李承忠中科院院長李士強 |
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國防部人事室主任陳榮宏總司官長黃峰英總司官長今天有很多意見要請教你基層你比較了解 謝謝本日會議邀請國防部部長顧立雄率同仁報告國軍邊線比現況提升之具體方案及因應做法並備質詢我們現在請顧立雄部長上台報告 |
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主席 各位委員先進今天自外交及國防委員會實施邊線筆提升之具體方案及因應作法專案報告承諾各位委員對於國軍人力現況的關切再次表達誠摯敬意與謝忱在少子化趨勢與企業增財等因素影響國軍正面臨招募與戰力維持的嚴峻挑戰 |
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為推動國軍兵力結構轉型政策與提升招募成效確保人力素質與招募能量是當前國防建設的關鍵任務補充戰力缺口更是落實國家安全的根本指導本案為強化全民國防兵力結構調整方案的重要一環 |
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其透過本次報告讓大院委員及國人了解國軍人力現況及具體方案並請各位委員指導與支持接續由本部人事參謀次長室劉沛之中將就編憲筆提升之具體方案及因應作法向各位委員提出專案報告 |
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各位委員大家好我是仁次市次長現在針對國軍邊線筆提升的具體方案以及因應做法專案報告一前言國軍近年受少子化趨勢及企業徵才等因素影響衝擊招募及留營工作為此自願意可安心於部隊服役同時吸引更多社會青年加入國軍穩定人力來源 |
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就現況分析與具體方案及因應做法實施報告二現況分析為穩定部隊基層戰力本部於今年朝減少人力流失提高流營意願及提升招募成效等三個面向努力 |
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包括取消休假回报制度开放官兵出国自由行调整志愿役官兵返营时间与恢复常态留职规定等人性化管理措施以及透过精进领导统御改善服役环境创造官兵愿景主动辅导新进人员调整眷籍地服务等留营作为外并检讨有益从军青年限制适度放宽甄选条件 |
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1924.628 |
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令今年4月起分别调整志愿疫情务加挤战斗部队加挤战航管加挤电针加挤及网路站加挤等五项新制待遇以提升招募及留营成效以下就各项现况分数如后 |
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1943.117 |
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一 人口结构趋势一内政部议政司列馆常备议体会可征一南预判自110年起呈现逐年递减趋势112年可征人数为9万余元首度跌破10万元116年跌破8万元少子化问题日趋严重二 全军人力概况 |
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1969.923 |
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统计114年迄今全军编线比为79.2%其中志愿役占76.9%一年期义务役占约2.3%因组织编装逐年调整增加迄今编制数较110年增加1万余元致使国军编线呈现逐年下降趋势 |
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1994.542 |
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統計契金 縣元較112年增加3000餘元志願役縣元較去年成長2000餘元三 招募成效今年招募目標包含軍官 士官 士兵合計14000餘元契金招獲軍官 士官 士兵合計14878元招獲率為102% |
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2021.645 |
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較計劃數增加315元令至年底上有志願役士兵射輕第五第六梯合計1371元及預判新訓轉服17個梯次約1000餘元起義年度招貨率可達110%以上經退伏平衡後預判至年底國軍整體邊線可達80% |
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市流营成效 国军部班流营标准为76%111年流营率为78% 112年78.5% 113年82%114年军官流营率为88.5% 市官为88% 士兵84.2% |
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平均流盈率为86.5%较去年提升4.5%显示流盈政策推动出具成效 |
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2080.851 |
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2102.464 |
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第五,不伺服减少111年官兵不伺服人数为5500余元,112年5400余元,113年5000余元,114年迄今2900余元,较去年同时期减少1591余元,不伺服人数大幅下降 |
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第六 一年期EWE徵集 內政部預判113年一年期EWE徵集人數為9,127元實際入營人數6,956元 佔邊縣的2.5% |
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2120 |
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2137.266 |
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一百一十四年预判征集人数一万五千余元实际入营人数八千两百九十一元占先边线比百分之二点九而后一百一十五至一百一十六年边线逐年提升三具体方案及因应做法 |
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2138.326 |
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2152.738 |
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為使志願役專業人才能長留久用現從精進招募作為及提升留營意願等項深入研討以提高招募與留營誘因具體方案及因應做法如下一 |
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2153.789 |
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2165.884 |
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精進招募作為醫生跟校園迄今與全國116所大學及429所高中職學校簽訂招生合作協議並透過大學博覽會敦睦遠航國內航訓開放參觀 |
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2171.19 |
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2192.502 |
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國防自信之旅、儀隊競賽、寒暑期戰鬥營、高中生實彈射擊體驗等活動邀請青年學子參與。115年規劃於全國辦理28場市深化與校園合作招生說明會,藉此宣導各招募班隊特色以擴大招募成效。 |
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2212.915 |
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二、媒體宣傳,除簡章、摺頁等傳統宣導手段外,115年規劃增加網路及社群媒體各平台曝光數、捷運燈箱與徹底廣告數量,加強招募目標族群觸及率,提高宣導廣度及力度。 |
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2213.902 |
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2242.223 |
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活動宣導透過地區及例行信等活動結合縣市政府及機關臨里執行招募宣導115年規劃於全國北、中、南地區辦理軍事院校及大學儲備軍官訓練團招生博覽會並結合縣市政府及各機關就業徵才博覽會、鄉里公益活動各項體育賽事辦理招募社攤宣導 |
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2243.004 |
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2245.572 |
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以争取青年学子加入国军行列 |
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2247.124 |
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2274.072 |
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四、軍事院校部隊參訪115年規劃高中職國中學生實地參訪軍事院校與部隊及大型國防資訊之旅等活動並增加大學學生同步辦理藉由裝備產展、營舍、教學設施及環境參觀讓參訪青年學子實際參與部隊軍校生日常生活強化青年學子從軍意願 |
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2275.612 |
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2289.816 |
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五 退伍規劃為照顧官兵退伍後迅速與職場接軌本部與國軍退出役官兵輔導委員會共同辦理介退官兵就業等多項服務與專業機構訓練課程另配合該會課證建置軍民專長轉弦運用平台預於116年1月啟用 |
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2299.639 |
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2317.942 |
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提供个人化服务协助军中专长对接民间职业并提供转职就业服务此项作为可提供社会青年了解加入国军退伍后仍可利用军职专长制社会模组进而吸引更多有志青年投入军旅 |
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2347.099 |
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二提升留營意願一士官督導長分級制度士官督導長為單位士官兵最高職務所負管理與職責明顯高於同階級士官長人員臨選均擇優選任足及向上派職為鼓勵升遷意願現正研擬士官督導長分級制度並依各級訂定職務加級以提升士官留營意願二 |
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2348.223 |
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2377.504 |
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提升住用環境品質為提升官兵住用品質推動新安專案加速營舍整建106年迄今執行103案已完工考談營區等88案預計118年前全數完工另以規劃115年至120年執行新展專案優先辦理官兵營舍等新建工程16案持續優化官兵住用環境 |
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2378.979 |
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2393.127 |
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三 整建植物官舍持续整新老旧植物宿舍统计106年迄今已完成整新3349户并新建11案1590户植物宿舍 |
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2394.068 |
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2412.759 |
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已完工5案613戶預計117年前全數完工115年起持續規劃興建陸軍湖口營區植物宿舍等9案680戶提供官兵因植物調整所需住宿空間增加留營意願 |
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2413.94 |
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2427.548 |
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至提高伙食費用因應物價指數提高及提升官兵伙食品質今年伙食費依服務地區不同每人每月調升3487元至5947元較113年增加518元至1168元 |
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2435.453 |
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2454.102 |
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持续依行政院主纪总处食物类消费者物价指数逐年检讨调整以确保官兵时的权益另为体恤官兵夜间执勤辛劳省着消费者物价指数逐年上涨今年值班夜点费由60元调整为100元 |
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2455.802 |
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2477.756 |
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五、辦理理財及急難貸款,為紓解現役軍官、士官、士兵本人配偶及直系血親因傷病、傷臟、災害、育嬰產後護理、長期照護或其他急難原因所需資金以安定其生活、專注戰訓本務,以獲行政院同意 |
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2478.396 |
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2507.614 |
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自一百一十五年起自行推办国军官兵疾难贷款专案齐达官兵安心服役军舰安家的政策要求四 节语感谢大院支持与指导国军建军备战以人才为核心持续精进招募及留营作为鼓励志愿役军人长留久用并吸引社会青年投身军旅其稳固基层部队专业人才确保国军战力有效发挥 |
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以上報告敬請各位委員先進支持與指教謝謝好謝謝謝中將好請回好我們接下來要進行詢答那本會委員6加2分鐘非本會委員4分鐘10點半發言截止登記那如果各位委員有臨時提案的話請在10點半以前提出我們11點是會議狀況來做處理好我們第一位進行詢答委員羅美玲委員 |
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2550.832 |
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謝謝主席 有請顧部長部長請剛才劉沛智我叫成謝忠江 抱歉是 羅遠華 |
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2559.99 |
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部長好 部長我們今天要討論的是國軍的這個邊線筆可是我要想先請教的就是說我們剛剛這個專案報告裡面的第四頁有提到一年期的義務役的這個徵集的部分我有看到就是說這資料我在想應該是內政部義政司這邊來做提供的那我有看到就是一年期義務役可徵集 |
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2600.101 |
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入營復營服役的這個人數呢從一百一十三年到一百一十六年的預判的這個增級的這人數我們可以看到說一百一十三年的這個預判人數是九千一百二十七人一百一十四年是 |
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2601.381 |
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一萬五千兩百零五人一直到一百一十六年的時候呢就會我們有預判是說會高達三萬五千零五十這數字的變化是因為比如說像一百一十六年跟一百一十五年其實數字就有一些蠻大的一個差距一下子跳升到三萬五千零五十那是因為那個時候所有的四個月的這個一五一都已經結束的意思嗎全部都改為應該是說這個大學 |
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2631.24 |
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畢業的關係也就是說很多人在18歲的時候不會立即投入重軍就是一物一那應該都是等到大學畢業大學 |
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2651.572 |
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2668.951 |
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我們113年開始然後對94年次之後的來進行這個增兵那採取增兵制以後改採一年級的EWE那對這個114年次之後的話那預判他在 |
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完成四年的大學之後每一年都有大學畢業生我是說你看這個第四頁他有就是115年有19028我們預判是有這個可以徵集到這些人116年的時候我們就預判有35050這個數字的這個落差對 就是116年應該是那個他94年是大學七月畢業 |
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2697.903 |
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7月畢業的116年所以你們是從這個去預估說到時就會有大學畢業是說當年的畢業人數有高達三萬 |
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2707.812 |
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2735.751 |
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5050人他應該在上半年跟下半年在下半年應該會有一個人數的增加這個是不是請這個說明一下因為數字落差有點大報告這些是議政司提供的這些人數那116年以後會穩定的每年大概有5萬到6萬人之間會到部隊來服役這個是議政司的因為116年只有7月畢業所以說只有3萬多人但是117年起 |
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2740.617 |
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每年大概都是五萬平均就是五萬到六萬的人會進來部隊 |
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2741.772 |
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那說明一下115年的19028人是如何估出來的部分是怎麼回事委員好 我志願是市長委員這個數字是內政部給我們的那它主要是因為我們一年期的EWE是從94年次以後才開始徵集所以115年的畢業生他基本上應該是屬於93年次的畢業生所以他那個時候他是還是屬於4個月的精神訓練役所以我剛剛有提到是因為4個月的那個EWE |
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2794.914 |
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那個結束了因為後來都需要服一年的這一季所以才造成這數字的落差嘛不然單單看這個表的話大家會想說因為前一年跟後一年數字差的非常的高因為93年他們還是服四個月所以他的來源是這樣嘛因為我是看到這數字請教這個那沒問題那市長回答的大概是跟我想像的是一樣的可是畢竟義務役的這個佔邊線比的這個比例其實是不高的 |
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2795.454 |
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2807.363 |
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其實是不高 其實我們真正要來看的其實還是這個是志願役的這個部分那我們可以看到就是說從109年到113年我們邊線比的這個數字變化其實會讓大家做優先的像軍官的這部分從103年的88.68%一直下降到113年的80.88%那我在想會不會114年會比較好一點 |
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2823.454 |
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2832.799 |
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士官的部分也是可以說是年年在下降我們看109年它是從86.21%一直下降到113年的77.97%士兵的部分更是讓人擔心有109年的92.57%一直下降到113年的66.18% |
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2860.133 |
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好那看看114年6月底為止呢也不過只有63.35%那看平均數的話整體平均數我們如果就算是加上這個151喔112年113年其實我們的這個邊線比都不到80% |
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尤其是士兵的這部分年年減少所以這部分是不是要怎麼樣來增加誘因讓家家願意來當志願役我剛才看了這個報告國防部是有想要做很多的改善比如說有沒有五項的性質的調整如何促進流營益力 |
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2890.507 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
2911.421 |
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不適服的部分能不能減少我想大家都有想到這個問題可是這個數字的變化國防部不會擔心尤其是說未來我們還有很多精密的武器要進來我們空有武器可是卻沒有人操作操作人數不足或是維修人數不足像這個部分的話還有什麼可以來做的部分呢 |
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2912.526 |
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2926.696 |
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跟委員報告那個114年的我們的人力的邊線統計到迄今來看的話士兵的整個邊線比應該是到78.6你是說因為我這邊拿到的數據是6月底63.35%所以到現在為止現在11月了所以你們的數字是到什麼時候10月31號為止 |
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2939.264 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
2943.974 |
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到10月31號為止目前有到78點多了78.6所以我們整體的邊線比才會有79.2 |
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2971.622 |
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所以现在我们现在的79.2就对了我们到目前为止的我们的整体的这个国军的变现比是79.2所以还是不到80%如果按照这个来讲的话我们先来看一下这个我有看到这个美军它有一个部队战备等级的这个评估的这个标准 |
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2972.162 |
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2987.564 |
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其實我們不到80%其實是落在他們的標準的C3那C3對他們來講其實就是整體的現有的兵力其實我們是處在資源有不足僅能執行部分任務 |
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2989.402 |
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3009.672 |
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對這個部分的話我們其實是掉在C3我們不到我們只到這個邊緣是不是可以衝一下可以到C2的部分各位報告我想這個美軍的這個他的這樣的一個評估他是用人員裝備跟訓練有三大構面他來評估就是說他 |
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3010.851 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
3029.208 |
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一個單位要即將在一個特定的時間點去執行一個特定任務的一個整體綜合戰力的一個指標所以他大部分都應該是採公司作戰所以他要去部署去做一個作戰部署或海外派遣的時候的那個特定時間點他做一個 |
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那我想我們在這裡的話我們當然是希望盡量能夠提升不過平時的時候我們會因應平時的土壤狀況跟危機處理來編成這個戰備應變跟環恐的專責部隊我們會來做一個 |
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所謂的平衡編組啦以排擠為單位做一個平衡編組跟任務調排那重點當然是這一個評估當然是因為以戰時那我們戰時的時候就會來實行編時跟擴編動員那如果一旦實施編時跟擴編動員的話我們的特別是常備部隊我們就要到達滿編的狀態來去進行這個戰時的這個任務的睡醒所以平時的任務睡醒我們是透過以一個 |
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這個排擠單位來實施一個平衡的編組跟任務的調派那暫時的時候常備部隊進行編使動員的時候還是要到達一個滿編的狀態去遂行他的暫時任務但這中間還要經過一個訓練然後讓他能夠快速的恢復戰力 |
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不過無可否認的就是說以現階段來講其實我們的國軍的邊線筆其實還有努力的空間還有很大努力的空間對不對那當然就是說我想我們現在大家都在今天會做這個報告當然也是大家都有對國軍有很大的期待那我想我們逐步的來提高這個邊線筆當然是我們的一個目標特別是我們現在進入到這個 |
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義務役也一年級升級的一個會逐步的有增加我們的這個戰力然後我們志願役的招募的成效也要不斷的提升然後讓我們的這個變性比不是以80%作為滿足而已我們還應該要再往上提升好 以上謝謝謝謝羅美玲委員 部長各位請回接下來進行詢答委員 陳永康委員 |
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再次跟我們同仁宣告那個顧義雄部長有正式請假12點以後有重要政務那12點以後由博鴻輝副部長代理好 我們請陳委員好 主席有請顧部長來 部長請是 陳委員部長早也請陸軍參謀長是 |
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聽完這個有關今天的報告邊線筆我想大家都在努力那我今天這個所謂提出問題著重在這個後備後備的因為也是一個納入陸軍現在整體的規劃是一個非常重要的一個計畫過去我們後備因為是直接在後備自己那有這個編制上有甲種旅 乙種旅 兵種旅 |
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早先是7个甲种旅17个乙种旅30个丙种旅就整体的部队总人数啊 |
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大概达到一定的规范那在前面这个邱部长在的时候把甲中旅的数字提升但实际上是乙中旅的编制移过去现在甲乙丙中旅现在全部都取消了纳入到陆军里面了请问这个旅籍单位的总数是降低了还是编制上这个比例上提升了陆军参谋长您 |
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向委員報告就是有關於整個後備戰力在我們整個防衛作戰裡面一直是視為重要的一環那我們很務實的去探討先前的整個後備組織的架構後面我們實際上是做了一個務實的檢討我們也有做一些對於一些動員符號 |
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比如說學校單位可能在暫時是沒有辦法立刻恢復到這樣戰力的我們是有做了一些務實的修調 |
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所以您講的這個是非常重要因為過去我們所謂的管後旅 管院正後旅還現後旅實際上它都是學校的教官老師如果你把它當作一個部隊真正來動員的話實際上第一個編制不足第二個它的結構性有先天的問題現在把這個問題把它解決了整個移到陸軍去這個我是持正面的看法另外一個就是有關後備部隊因為過去的通訊裝備始終是不夠先進 |
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那這個部分陸軍把後備移進來以後請問在通訊裝備在投資建案上面有沒有一個積極的做法 |
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這一點也向委員報告那事實上我們也有一個就是提升後備戰力的一個特別的預算那先前也在執行當中那這個不管是有關於它的武器乃至於通信裝備還有包含到所謂的戰鬥各裝我們現在都是一併的把它適同常備部隊的需求來納入建案和籌購 |
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從政策面來講就是說我們會朝向長後一體的一個方向來努力是 因為長後一體這個整體的構想上是一個非常正確的那連帶帶動的就是後備部隊它的準則教範跟授訓的教材以及教官的人選可能也要把它並案考慮因為過去我們講授訓很多的教官反正就是 |
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从陆院出来或者最后进到三军联姓基地再做一个联合作战训练那现在这些过去的布号庄三个新训中心三军联姓基地现在这个都不算是后备了就直接兵进来编到陆军里面所以在准则叫饭部分那个是要强化的另外还有一点我们关注问题就是一个战后补充那后备指挥部现在有一些东西还在研议中赶快完成规划健全人力动员 |
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暂时处理这个人力补充以外装备也要补充也就是说过去我们都是原额的管制但是装备上可能会不足这个部分提出一个建议另外是不是可以考虑了就是说大家既然强调这个平战衣食要人民都要有这个暂时全民皆兵的这种概念上 |
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是不是学校可以恢复军训教官的制度这个建议考虑那学生的军事知识培养团队精神同时因为有军训教官的现身说法对学生的加入国军我是觉得这个是有诱因有吸收力所以同样的过去就是说我们在军训课程拍一个射击这是一个可以落实全民国防的一个总体目标这个是我提出的建议可以作为考虑 |
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那下面一张图我还是要提一下这个马太安西这个大状况了因为9月23号艳色湖溃堤淹的是在马太安西的南部这一次是在河的北边那么这个淹的是什么地方呢就是万荣乡还有这个利民村 |
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这个图其实是延续性的我曾经提出建议就是说我们所谓的共同图像不只是暂时整个空情周遭海域事实上有关救灾这个底图是不会变的这是一个三维的图这一次你看中间那个圈圈立民村图就显示出来了它是在马太安西北侧左边 |
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那个缺口就溢进去了那整个一鸣村就淹起来了那我们现在去陆军的同仁很多都在第一线救灾也有用这个所谓的TAC系统那既然是用Android系统手机然后可以用Google Map的底图但是我建议跟气象中心做一个很好的联系也就是说有更新的资料的时候因为这系统开放式的就可以摆进去所以他看到的并不是位置图 |
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而是一個有完整的救災的狀況那這個中間大家都可以努力也有精進的空間那麼Google的圖因為有的時候是三個月前的那你另外如果要付錢的話可能有部分的圖可以更新這個是可以共同努力的我的建議就是Ether是現在的這個Tech的手機已經到了這個班了是不是 |
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未來要規劃建置到按照作戰需求會建置到班到班 這個是肯定的可以努力的那這邊也就提醒我們在這個問題上面承平時期 災防跟戰情的顯示是一體兩面的 |
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那以后有机会我们来提就是一个所谓台湾之盾整体的图像整面资讯的分配但是在这个陈平时期救灾我们的同仁非常积极非常参与但是我们要提供他足够的资讯那这个部分我们提请部长做个参考 |
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是 這個我想居民共同的一個圖像在災害發生的時候確實是有它的必要性所以我們現在也在積極研討那因為那個災防中心那邊他們有EMIC的這個部分那我想我們這個部分會跟他們來做一個結合這樣好 謝謝各位好 謝謝好 謝謝陳永康委員 各位請回接下來進行詢問委員黃仁委員 |
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有請部長 謝謝主席來 部長請部長早 |
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我們針對這個國軍邊線比偏低以嚴重影響國軍的戰力那部長上次在本席在上週二總質詢的時候就針對國軍官兵缺額的問題提出的一個質詢當時因為時間有限所以無法能夠詳細的來詢問那當今天再一次的來詢問 |
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本席看了今天的報告對比你上週的回答發現你在總執行的時候回答刻意的有一些錯誤的一些引導當時本席問你在主戰部隊的邊線比你就說無法無法提這個提供主戰部隊的邊線比那當時本席問你這個 |
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在這個過程裡面只提供全經最新的資料是92.2%剛剛你也在跟羅委員也講了79.2%但是比去年三頁的96.9%的提升為2.3%沒有去年今年 抱歉 |
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提升到2.3%但是這表示提升是政策成效那結果今天的報告顯示這2.3%是義務役的數字根本不是政策成效的以政策成效無關所以你們看一下這個數字是不是有些錯誤的引導那再者就是部長 |
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不要用這個數字避重就輕這個很多事情是不可取這顯示對於解決國軍面臨的嚴重的問題你不要一直想說要怎麼解決但是問題是怎麼樣來解決不要矇混過關部長上次回答你說79.9% |
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可是79.2可是今年的3月76.9%的提升2.3跟數據完全是相反的部長你再一次的回答這一次是什麼一回事就沒有顛倒就3月是76.6 |
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76.9那現在是79.2這提升的2.3%根本就是151的數字嘛151的數字加起來就是你們所謂的跟委員報告151從113年就開始就有151了是啊 |
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所以151的加入他在113年開始就已經是列為邊線比的一部分了所以3月的統計的邊線比就有含151提升到2.3但是你們全新最新的資料是79.2%所以3月份統計的76.9也有含151的 |
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有含151嗎 有啊有嗎 含4600可是數據 因為151是從資料裡面沒有含151的啊你這個是分開來算的你本來這個2.3%的151的數字跟你全經的數字裡面不是在這裡面啊沒有 整體的邊線比就有含從3月論的時候 |
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到現在來論的整體的編寫名在3月都有含義務役的人數到現在也有含義務役的人數你回答一下好不好委員好 跟委員報告就是說我們統計今年是76.9是含義務役的4956元那今年到現在義務役是4600元那我們今年整體志願役增加人數到10月31號是 |
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2325元這是實際增加志願役人數就是我們之前採取人性化的管理流營等等所有的措施之後今年從1月1號到現在志願役人力成長了2325到年底還有1000餘元可以進來我們省省樂觀的評估那你認為是有提升的嗎有提升 確實有提升確實 那你再詳細的數字再給我好不好是 我們會後再跟委員報告 |
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那另外就是本信引用號角響起這個金教片的經典台語你們是欺騙敵人還是欺騙長官還是欺騙自己那這邊引用美國入侵條例220-1單位狀態報告和部隊登記的一個指標美軍提供的人員現有利參考值 |
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在西腕90%到100%但是現在我們是在西山60%到79%僅能執行部分的任務那在這個人員的比例上作戰最低標準中美軍更直接指出在作戰計畫中如果部隊人員限力限有率低於85% |
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那需要延後部署或由其他單位支援但如果低於80%即使裝備齊全也不視為即備作戰部署的資格那所以若依照美軍的標準國軍主戰部隊的邊線比 |
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屬於C3等級只能執行部分的任務如果是戰士根本連部署上戰場的資格都沒有啊這個顯示缺兵的問題不只是招募量不足而是已經觸及到作戰能力的成型的問題所以部長 |
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今天的報告內容顯示全軍編制增加所以編線比呈現下降那國軍實際人員或成長的狀態但是一對照美軍作戰最低的 |
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標準是以人員比例來看就知道這又是一個模糊焦點的論述請國軍回答我這個問題來把這一些細表給本席請國軍來訂出一個本席 請問部長國軍的缺額的問題 |
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是不是現在馬上採取正確的一個政策的手段那短時間內當然不可能解決但政府告訴我們無時無刻受到武力的威脅所以現在在緊急狀況那是不是那你有沒有具體的解決的方案部長你回答一下剩下15秒 |
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剛剛我已經有回答羅委員同樣的問題那我是不是請這個座議事來再補充一下委員好我是座議事市長剛剛委員指導點出來是美軍的戰備等級標準確實非常正確它裡面包含人裝訓有四個評鑑的這個等級那剛剛同我們部長已經有做過的回應就是說我們這個等級是在特定任務特定時間也就是說當作美軍在做作戰部署任務派遣前的鑑定的一個標準 |
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那我們如果比照這個樣 我們在戰時同時也有考量就是剛剛部長報的 我們會採取在有敵情徵後明確之後會進行動員 鞭持 並進行臨戰訓練因此部隊的邊線筆會達到滿邊是可以有效去應處我們的防衛作戰任務的邊線筆 缺兵的問題 趕快解決這是一個解決之道 好不好我會努力來提高我們的邊線筆 |
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好 謝謝 謝謝黃榮委員 各位請回接下來進行詢問委員是陳俊宇委員好 謝謝主席 我們有請顧部長來 部長請 |
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部長早部長是 陳委員早首先感謝部長及我們國軍弟兄在這次鳳凰颱風相關的災後搶救還有復建的相關工程我們除了在11號當天的緊急救災以外昨天也投入400多名的兵力 |
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那經過協調我們今天會再增加600名所以預估今天會超過1000名的弟兄在這個災區那邊來協助我們蘇澳鎮的這個相關負災的工程那也謝謝部長那另外也更感謝部長能夠在昨天這個昨天長親自到這個這個現場這個視察的時候有講到我們那個11號晚上 |
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我們的AAV拐這個兩棲突擊車不小心去這個碾壓過的民車那院長才是就由部長跟院長各自這個負擔一部的這個賠償金謝謝 謝謝部長 |
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這個部長默默承受了今天就這個國軍人力的這個現況和這個相關的問題來請教我們部長這也是穩定我們部隊戰力一個非常重要的一個因素那再次在我們這次這個國防報告 |
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書當中我們提到整體的這個邊線比目前是在79.2%那在今年底有可能會達到80%但如果再細看招募的這個成效今年度計畫招募的人數已經達標流影的這個政策也有成效那不市府的人數也在下降當中那即便在各項工作都達標的情況下我們志願役的這個人力仍舊不足 |
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那我想請教部長我們接下來這個編制的總員額還會持續增加嗎那我們所設定的這個招募的員額是不是也應該隨之來調整補上因為這個組織編裝的這個增加以及不適合退伍的情況所造成的這些人力缺口 |
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我想組織邊桩的一個調整現在是進入我們這個一個隨時滾動的一個狀態因為隨著我們新式武器的一個獲得那還有我們現在所需要的這些各項的這個防衛能力作戰的一個部署那我們會不斷的去檢討 |
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各軍他們所有的調整現在調整的過程當中 |
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有些是我們會成為已經計劃內那好在看實際的武器裝備的到了以後我們再實際的變裝成軍這樣子那但是一直不斷的在會在做滾動調整好那國軍在這個招募工作上我們要考量到開拓各種兵源的可能那其中這個官兵再入營的這個方案應該也是其中之一尤其每年有數千名的這個不適合官兵退伍 |
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那有可能是因為他本身的經濟或是家庭因素那他如果願意再回到軍中來服役對國軍人力的補充也是一項很重要的幫助那我想請教部長我們隨著相關法規修正之後招募退伍官兵再入營的成效如何那審查機制上是否有夠嚴謹能夠確保我們招回來的是合適的人力 |
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跟委員報告我們首先要說明一下我們對於那個放寬不似乎的這個部分這個主要就是以對象是以他當時因為家個人的因素或家庭的因素而申請退伍的不涉及到品德或者是屬於被太主如果涉及到品德跟太主我們不在我們 |
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再重新招募露營的這個條件所以他要申請再露營就是屬於不涉品德跟太處這個首先要說明那第二個就是統計契金就是我們3月修訂這個規則以來統計契金大概是379379有379名 |
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那在這次報告當中我們也特別提到一年期的這個EWE徵集的情況這部分我想詢問的是和EWE一起恢復的這個校選育士制度也就是這個遊兵轉世在去年一共是有350人接受士官的這個訓練稱為下士那也剛好可以補上我們目前最缺人力的這個下士階級來舒緩這個部隊基幹的一個壓力 |
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那我想請問部長我們已經有多少一年級的這個EUE藝男接受過士官訓練那未來是否會再增加另外這個EUE士官是否已經分發到這個主戰部隊還是仍然留守在這個守備部隊 |
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從去年恢復徵集一年級醫護基金現在的數字是有550個士兵接受士官訓練以後就能下士550名對 |
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那這個您剛提到說結訓之後的話現在當然還是優先分發守備部隊那但是他可以依照他的個人意願也可以到主戰部隊也可以選擇到他依照他的個人意願可以選擇到主戰部隊好就依照他個人的意願後續我想隨著整個徵集人數會不斷的在增加那如果超過守備部隊的缺額的時候 |
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我們再做一個補充到主戰部隊也這樣好 那另外有關這個義務役預官的制度接下來也應該要慢慢的恢復未來部分的藝男也可能會選擇成為部隊管理的一個機幹那國防部隊恢復義務役預官考試的部分目前我們是規劃在2027年 |
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那在考選的這個制度上會不會有可能會調整那未來我們對於這個EWE預觀人力的這個運用和規劃能夠安排到什麼樣的一個職務是不是也請部長簡要說明一下我們規劃就116年就是剛剛也有委員垂詢就是說116年就是屬於他大學94年次的他剛好在那一年的企業會大學畢業 |
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所以大學畢業以後我們就恢復這個預官的一個考選那我想預官考選之後我們就會依照我們的研究需求來實施召考這樣子好 |
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那在官部的這個夜報當中我們也有看到增加這個調整各項專業加級的部分以提升我們招募和留營的一個成效那加級和獎金對於官兵士氣的一個激勵固然是相當必要的 |
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我們在參酌113年度審計部的審核報告內容當中指出空軍的機務分隊還有修補大隊彈藥維護分隊以及武器掛載的分隊可以支領第二類的戰鬥加急就如同我們螢幕上這個圖表所顯示的很明顯可以看到我們陸軍 海軍還有支通電軍 空軍 |
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這個數額的部分很明顯的有一個落差的級別但是這個陸軍和海軍飛行部隊所屬的這個勤務單位他們的任務性質和工作內容和空軍雷同並且頻繁的在支援 |
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目前的這個操演和演訓的任務卻沒有被納入第二類的戰鬥部隊加級的匡列單位而先前我們國防部也有回應本案在109年曾經討論過但是並未獲得最後的核定那我想請教部長倘若工作性質雷同任務繁重的相當 |
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這個程度 陸軍海軍飛行部隊所屬的這個勤務單位是不是也應該要納入戰鬥部隊的一個佳績請摘要回答 |
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委員好 委員其實那個陸軍海軍的部分它就是有關於它的那些機務分隊的部分我們已經在今年8月呈報行政院了就是納入第二類的戰鬥部隊加級那目前有人是行政總署在審查中好 已經納入了嗎是 我們的方案是有納入了那這個案子還要經過行政院核定才能生效大概什麼時候會有結果 |
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我們八月份報到行政院去那目前是任總在會辦 就是在會審相關部會當中好 那也請持續追蹤是 我們會持續掌握好 謝謝部長的答詢那個部長那個賠車子是出於自願還是被迫 |
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我想院長的意思應該是很清楚就是說不要讓舊代的官兵官兵不要負擔 不需要任何負擔這個我想我們國防部會協調相關單位我們一定不會讓我們的官兵來負擔陳俊永要幫你開 |
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好 謝謝主席因為當天晚上那個水淹已經把車子淹滅過了他根本就看不見他在緊急要去搶救人的過程裡面開過去的時候才發現到好像是壓到那個障礙物可是他不知道是車子要跟部長您報告這個去支援救災的官兵辛苦了這不能歸則於他了那院長陪一台 部長陪一台這個我覺得是好的發展恭喜謝謝委員 |
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好 接著我們有請王定宇委員質詢好 謝謝主席 麻煩總市館長黃峰英黃市館長好 請總市館長 |
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市官長第一次來我們這邊備詢好 歡迎你代表基層的市官我請教你很簡單的幾個問題麥克風要打開要不然不能做會議記錄第一個我們現在在連籍的市官長市督有的我們會把他提升到贏的市督是選優派上去還是選菜鳥倒楣的派上去原則上當然是選優上去原則上是選優那現況是什麼 |
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同樣會選優真的嗎是那你知道基層嘛是那連的市官長願不願意去當市都那個贏的市都基本上因為現在戰鬥加急的關係就願不願意他會有這種現象就不願意嘛對所以不願意我這連的市官長一二三等我們現在派一個上去贏喔看起來是變大囉然後現在大家都覺得不想去會派誰去 |
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包委員通常主官都還是會去勸那些那個資深的幹部去所以變成要接銀市都的要用勸的勸不聽的就倒楣或者是菜鳥對啊這個我沒有怪任何人我待會講制度出現的問題在哪裡那銀市都跟聯市都做的工作一不一樣基本上一樣但是量更大 量能不一樣內容一樣量更大好謝謝總事館長我們請部長 |
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我剛才提這個問題我們今天的主題是邊線筆總市長你請回我們每次談到邊線筆不足 |
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我們軍方常提出來就是掃紙化 工作環境 薪資報酬 部隊的管理那我們多講一點還有榮譽感 都在招募上或留營對不對 處理留營率 處理招募 這兩件事情我覺得這也重要 但這是治標 什麼標呢 就是結果它的源頭有幾件事情 |
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第一個我們的邊莊以及我們的透過新資專長加擠有沒有把人力資源丟到對的地方以及本席上一次就建議我也跟這個劉佩孜中央提過我們軍方要建立一套科學的叫做這個戰力域值也就是threshold最小的臨界點我先剛才講我剛才問市都的事情 |
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國軍現在有一些制度是謬誤的反淘汰而我現在質詢你不是要給你聽而已我們請行政院的人長財主聽清楚我現在講的問題你不能站在你們自己的位置去思考國軍問題第一個我們國軍現在連級的士官長 |
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他有第一类战斗家籍第二类战斗家籍我们4月1号给他们加薪水所以有12000或7000元结果你表现很好你资深我让你升上去当营的市官长市督 |
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事情更多內容一樣不好意思你沒有戰鬥家籍所以你的薪水馬上少一萬二少七千我能怪這些連的市館長不願上去接嗎我不能怪他這是制度造成的反淘汰部長你知道有這個問題嗎是我有了解這個問題會怎麼發生的 |
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我想現在正在研議就是說這個士官長的這個分職因為時間的關係就我了解國防部有提出要爭取銀勢都應該也列入戰鬥家級是被採組人士擋下來的 |
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這不對啊 行政院的長官這不對我如果聽到的不是正確 請糾正我另外一個例子 我可以舉很多例子剛才我聽到 我自己是屏東六聯隊出來的 |
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我們機務大隊沒有戰鬥家級他要站安關 他要修飛機沒有後勤 哪有飛行所以他沒有戰鬥家級 不合理啊所以你把8月份提出我們今天質詢這個我們希望行政院負責這部分的長官聽進去我再舉個例子我們的中衛擔任排長 副連長有沒有戰鬥家級 有嗎 |
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我們也是給他加薪的 我們4月1號部長的加薪方案就是第一類戰鬥家級一萬二 第二類七千結果他升官了耶他把他升到上位那以前大家當然要佔缺啊 佔高缺是好事啊我一直看他們升到像陳建義這個缺啊但是這一升上去 他當了上位有可能到營部旅部做參謀這兩個家級通通沒有了艦隊也有這個事情少校 |
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少校連長我可以領戰鬥佳績中校營長帶好幾個連沒有戰鬥佳績所以少校連長的薪資報酬高於中校部長有這個情形嗎 |
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就這一個整體的這個新制的一個規劃我想我們隨時都在檢討當中那特別跟委員報告就是說剛剛提到的事關杜道長就是說行政院在108年的時候他的意思應該是說希望我們能夠朝分職分等的這個方式來去做所以我們現在108年到現在也過好幾年 |
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對對對所以現在我們這個分值分等的這個部分我想我們會來考慮比照美國美國的話大概分六級我現在提的因為今天的時間的問題我沒辦法把全部的問題細項列出來這些問題不解決會造成人力的反逃在資深的不願意佔缺 |
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對 所以我們要有一個這個是人力資源的浪費嘛所以我們要有一個整體的規劃所以我跟你講第一個問題就我們的制度所以我們常常講加薪大家都愛但真正內行了解部隊的我寧可提供一個額度讓國防部跟我們的部隊針對各項專長家級 |
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把人力配置辛苦的高危險性的透過高額加給把人力配置到比較難招募的而不是齊頭式的加兩萬加三萬那樣子會讓部隊反而產生了逆淘汰第二個我們的邊桩是源頭我們今天在市委拚命的搞招募搞留營提高我們的營舍各方面的待遇還有精神戰力士氣這是對的 |
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但是我們邊莊應該怎麼樣重新思考我們原來思考是因為現代化 我裝備現代化了裝備更新了 我邊莊就會更新因是裝備現代化 果是人員變少我舉自走砲 A2 A5到A7 |
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從6人編制到4人或者我們的諾克斯級成功級編制200多人我們現在用清巡是90人他就是很明顯我的裝備現代化高度自動化AI化我可以把人員編制往下降所以以前的因是裝備現代化 |
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如果是邊桩往下降邊桩往下降你招募的那個臨界點當然就往下降嘛你的邊線比那個分母不同分子雖然一樣但是你會變大而且這是合理的變大但是我們現在可不可以把英國反過來我建議國防部去思考 |
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我們應該要考慮少子化是一個客觀的現實日本美國北約招募都有問題德國也招不足這是一個客觀的現實所以我們現在在思考我們裝備的時候要把這個納入考量我如何透過自動化無人化現代化的裝備把我的戰力預值我再一次提到這個名詞就是 |
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合理的最臨界點低於這個部隊不能出戰的戰力域值把它修到合理的標準我舉例子我們的我們的這個155榴彈砲我們155榴彈砲現在有310餘門每一門滿編9個一個班 |
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那他一定有個最小戰力域值可能我六個砲操少跳兩步我六個就可以操作了但是我如果裝備我先去思考我把想要控制人力編制當作因來思考裝備的話 |
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那全世界有很多自走的155榴彈砲三個人就能操作他又可以提高存活率又可以把我們9變3那我原來招募也許是4個我只達標到48%但是我透過裝備的自動化現代化AI無人化往下一掉掉到3 |
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我還超標變100多我還可以把人力移到缺源的地方部長你懂我意思嗎所以這是一個邊桩的重新思維把英國反過來想我們一定要去思考我們現在少子化的狀況另外我們在後備的動員的部分我們剛才講邊時我剛才聽到不知道是哪一位長官講的說沒有問題進入緊急狀況之後我們邊時動員就會滿邊了 |
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可是我們現在剛好正值我們國家進入裝備現代化戰車我們現在會淘汰一些CM11 M1我們M1A2進來了我們的戰機我們的海馬士我們很多新的裝備我們現在退下來會操作M60 CM11的裝甲兵將來我鞭石動員的時候他不會操作M1A2 |
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變成你鞭石動員的時候原來具有高專精高專長的人再回來變沒用的人通通去當步槍兵所以應該要現在就要準備我們用兩個禮拜的後備訓練根本無法訓練高專精的人 |
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所以怎麼樣利用他還在部隊的時候我用10% 20%讓他熟悉新的專長讓這個後備戰力的眾生他縱使離退了有一天我要鞭石動員他回到部隊可以回到高專精高專長至少他的觀念會比一般步槍兵高否則 |
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裝備不見啦我是一個裝甲兵我是一個什麼樣高專精高專長的我回來之後我變什麼都不會我只能把我放到步槍兵上面這個對這昂貴的人力成本上來講是不划算的部長我對這些件我不知道部長有什麼想法 |
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是 剛剛委員的指教都很正確我想特別講一下就是說我們現在剛剛提到的就是我們新式的武器進來之後那麼它也許退伍的是比較要操作老式的武器所以我們現在會比較鞭石的動員是比較著重於現在常備的部隊叫鞭石動員那這個部分我剛才講就是常備對 |
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我現在會希望我們會希望他們同步退下來我們著重在四年內那援兵歸援衛然後讓他能夠熟裝熟練這個我剛才講的是因為現在剛好在換裝啦對 那這個換裝的期間之內我們就會考慮到他退伍的當下要能夠去熟悉新式的裝備然後呢 他四年內教召每年教召回來的時候也要讓他去熟悉新式的裝備 |
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比方說CM11要淘汰了或者小A機OH58要淘汰了他們離開之前新的專長訓練不可能有訓到他們啦那他們再回來裝備不見了所以這一塊的戰力在我們現在的訓練上面我建議訓師士各方面應該要納入考量否則將來的後備戰力的眾生會缺一塊這個問題談不完我今天要建議國防部的就是要思考 |
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自動化AI無人化在思考裝備的時候把人力資源現在少子化的狀況納入考量把它列入原因作為邊桩更新然後重新審視我們國軍各單位的戰力最小域值 Threshold美軍是有這個然後以後我們在國防委員會看到你們拿出來的表不再是陸海空軍把我們邊線比79 76點多不是而是 |
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比方說小到海軍陸戰隊它的最小域值是多少目前邊線比達到多少我們才能知道哪些單位可能缺乏什麼誘因它戰力可能會形成問題所以我建議我們部長可以下令我們相關參謀單位開始去研究我們國軍部隊最小出動的臨界點 |
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戰力域值 把戰力域值 把每個單位把它標出來之後我們才知道資源怎麼配到哪一個應該應處的地方這個給部長做建議所以我們現在正在研析那我想組織的調整要以科技取代人力 火力取代重重兵力這個原則 那我們依照我們貨裝的行程來滾隨時滾動來修訂我們的組織變裝好 謝謝部長好 謝謝王定宇委員的質詢 部長先請回 |
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好謝謝我們請馬文君委員進行詢問謝謝主席麻煩請部長來部長請 |
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部長早部長剛剛有特別委員特別有提到就是說這一次我們在救災的部分官兵救災值得加許那尤其也搖壞了車輛的部分我們也立即做了處理我想這個也讓救災的官兵其實沒有心理負擔然後雖然部長跟院長 |
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要承擔一些壓力不過我們也看到這一次在光復鄉跟宜蘭這個救災因為剛好提到這個部分就陸戰隊我們派出水路兩棲登陸戰車救災那這兩次救災的時候我們看到我們派出去的它抗流彈的這個外掛式裝甲防護板 |
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其實都出動了它既笨重又耗油我們為什麼在救災的時候沒有把它拆下或者是派沒有外掛裝甲的這樣的車型它的行動也比較靈活這是一個建議啦這個部分是有海軍要不要來說明 |
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委員好因為這個當初是我們是以全裝去做這個你救災跟那個越編跟那個展現軍力不一樣會不會依照任務屬性我們做世界的調整這個是我們順帶提出來的 |
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那現在今天我們討論邊線比的部分部長在今天的報告當中國防部有特別提到國軍不搬流營的標準是76%那我們還特別說明近兩年113跟114年流營率已經比往年還提升 |
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那不市府的人數也比去年同期大幅減少可是我們可能可以看一下因為本席辦公室近日有接獲民眾的陳情他們有提到基層部隊為了達到國軍部班留營標準的壓力很多官士兵的不市府他們其實因為這個部分是個人意願比較不會受苛責 |
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可是留營率就會對幹部產生壓力所以很多的部隊為了達到這個留營率跟退役堅強的人員去達成先辦留營後辦不市府的這樣的歪風 |
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那其中大概就有一些共識跟代價比如說薪水照樣讓他領或者給黑價或者以對外支援的方式長期不在營區的狀況甚至有晉升上街等等這樣子的一個 |
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這樣子的一個共識所以這個部分我們碰到這樣的類似的狀況因為這個會造成國家損失而且也讓部隊管理會變成鬆弛因為其他人如果我快要借起退休退伍的那他看了大概也會也會很不適之味所以這有沒有防範的措施 |
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委員好跟委員報告目前我們是還沒有獲得這樣的一個訊息但是我相信我們今天流盈利能夠如此大幅度的降低如果說沒有這樣因為我們會提出來表示有發生這樣的狀況其實之前就已經有發生過了就買回家 |
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照顾豆浆店的这个案例那为什么最近还会接到这样的呈请如果没有办法立即很清楚的掌握状况我们请提供在近年就是可能近三年四年 |
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近四年好了國軍辦理流營後又辦理不適服人員的載營狀況請提供點名部支援佐證戰鬥及戰鬥支援加急薪資封錄的這些相關資訊好不好那這些書面資料提供給我們以後再來做一些探討那因為既然有人陳情我想這個狀況是存在的 |
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我想這個可能要去了解先不要說沒有發生這樣的事情那另外就是這兩年國軍的流盈率在我們的報告裡面還有剛剛提到的就是說我們 |
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不市府的人數減少流行率提升國防部分析的原因是因為提高了伙食費夜點費然後我們還有提升住用環境品質還有整建植物宿舍還有就是加薪因為你說 |
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植物宿舍環境品質的改善等等其實過去就做了不是這今年或去年所以很大的一個變動大概就是加薪的部分那加薪可能真的有一些人會受到這樣的因素影響也許會留下來可是 |
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還有一個很大的因素是因為之前我們也通過修法就是要加薪三萬的這個部分有很多人還在等如果到年底都還沒有辦法還要釋憲我想有很多人就會退了因為包括軍事院校過去在招生的時候其實 |
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成效其實並不好可是在今年其實也特別好所以我想加薪是一個有效的一個至少是一個因素當然他沒有辦法是百分之百可是這個部分我們也請國防部一定要慎重考量我們接下來談一下我們今年四月份我們這個 |
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就是一致性的加薪跟我們四月份這個加薪為什麼會造成有一些不同的一個部分會引起一些可能沒有辦法達到我們效果因為剛剛部長也提到還有趙偉其實也特別都有提到這個可能也會造成一些負面的影響我們可以看到志願役勤務加級還有戰鬥部隊加級 |
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我們也看到了這些調整新的調整方案那當時國防部主要是說是少校以下軍官士官還有士兵是作戰部隊的主力要優先照顧我們基層的官兵可是現在問題來了外界不知道的是戰鬥家級其實只有到連級 |
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我們也接到很多不平的反應他們覺得過去國軍的薪資不論是本縫專業家籍主官家籍都是隨著年資還有階級逐步增加或者依他的專長專業身份給予一視同仁的家籍 |
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可是現在的加薪方案卻把志願役官兵長久以來一視同仁的這個部分因為只要志願役都是一萬元的這個志願役家籍現在把它改分成三個區塊而且越資深的給越少 |
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這是一個不正常的現象我們所有看到像公務人員也好或者其他的企業單位也好其實有哪一個家級今天是越資深技術越好學歷越高可是你的家級是越少的 |
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國防部在調薪以後高階的志願役家級反而比低階少這樣子做是對的嗎因為今天在座也有很多都是上校少將中將都是這些階級我們認為他們做得很差嗎 |
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可是他們是完全沒有得到這樣的加級那我們所有看到的我們就以聯合兵種營這個部分來舉例好了下轄的各排聯營為例我們看到這一次排長連長因為可以加薪所以還包括輪調到外島的時候還有外島加級 |
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他們如果在這一段時間其實還有他們還舉了一個例子他們甚至如果可以加薪又可以外島加給其實他們還可以貸款買房可是等到你從外島任期滿了以後調回本島要等待升營長或擔任幕僚的時候你可能就必須要賣房賣車因為你這個薪水幾乎少了兩萬如果從外島輪調回來他少更多這個部分部長有沒有掌握 |
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跟委員報告我想就如同我們國防部立場就是說我們會不斷的來檢討這個整個薪資待遇的結構那從一個整體規劃的一個角度來去檢討現在的薪資結構的一個合理性與否那不管是士官或軍官那當然也包括士兵等等那我想我們會來進一步的來不斷的來檢討因為各項的一個加級它的總列數量 |
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非常的多那有些可以兼領有些是不能兼領那所以我們在討論這些的時候呢就會還是要總體的來做一個思考那委員的指教我們也會納入我們後續我們來考量各項的一個佳績 |
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部長我們先看這個表格因為你剛剛提到的這個部分你們完全沒有辦法去做這樣子的一個改變因為剛剛提到的這個已經造成不公平的現象我們看這個表格它只解決人的問題 |
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比如說像營聯級像陸軍這個部分其實他大概他的風險是一樣的可是你到像聯級的指揮職這個部分聯長2到3年其實他可以領到的包括戰鬥家級的這些他大概可以領到8萬多塊 |
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這個還沒有扣除掉他的軍保退府健保薪資所得稅還有伙食費等等因為你如果年資越高越資深的他這個會被扣的越多我們看到這兩個營級指揮職跟這個聯級指揮職他們 |
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大概差都是八萬多塊他幾乎沒有差別所以像這樣子的一個狀況如果像這樣比如說幹部在軍中努力工作了十多年他升任營長他真的只剩下榮譽 |
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他如果像這樣子他跟做兩三年大概連長大概領的薪資都一樣的時候他們回去對家人對太太也不知道怎麼交代所以我想一離開這個年級薪水立刻就會甚至至少至少都少了一萬二以上 |
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所以我想這個是可能要去討論的人力我們在軍隊的人力運用其實最重要的就是長留久用如果像這樣的加薪方案以目前的加薪方案其實剝削感更高而且沒有辦法留人只要時間一到可能大家就離開了所以這個部分我們也希望透過今天大家除了在邊線比因為邊線比我們看到都是平均值 |
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有很多的部隊你即使給他再多的戰鬥加急你可以調出來看他的邊線比非常低已經低到甚至有風險的疑慮那這個是為什麼你即使已經給他加急了可是他還因為一個人要做兩個甚至三個人的工作所以你給他加急這樣子的 |
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幼嬰其實也不足以影響他們留下來所以這個我們還是希望可以整體的去考量而不是看基本的數字因為如果這個數字是可以參考的那就不會現在你招進來的多可是退出去的還更多因為像這一次幾乎高達四分之一的人數其實是寧願賠錢要退出去這是一個警訊 謝謝好 謝謝馬文君委員 部長請回 謝謝接下來進行詢答委員 陳冠廷委員 |
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趙偉麻煩請部長部長請陳偉好部長好 |
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部長最近又大概是前天吧大前天然後國軍又傳一些相關機敏的訊息外洩那說是上位軍官是缺錢然後要賣情報來賺虛擬貨幣那過去大概24個月間那每一個月左右都會有兩三件情節不一的共諜案件報 |
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那國防部有沒有針對這些發生案件的動機目的來探究原因就是說我們現在就是做大數據就不是依照個案 |
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比方說他的犯罪的原因是為了第一個是不是為了金錢還是他是來自於他的ideology他的價值觀他的信仰他信奉某個主義信奉共產主義等等的都有可能還是因為受到了威脅還是因為受到中國的這些女性的這些不正當的關係 |
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有沒有做一些簡單的梳理我想我們的暫局一直有在做這些相關的分析尤其我們的保防部門是不是可以請他們簡單來講一下大概這種案件的類型主要的原因是什麼 |
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委員好 我是保盤權署處長這個本案的類型它是在網路借貸 遭網路接觸吸收不是問個案我們現在目前我們跟國安局共有研討就是有網路接觸然後親友親情還有就是他救贖然後地下錢莊的借貸 |
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等相關的管道然後現在首法我們都要研擬宣導資料像研擬在我們的保防單位去做宣導所以說我們的官兵在這個檢舉反應上的力度是蠻強的對國家認同也蠻深具的所以我可不可以這樣講說主要的還是因為金融的關係而非國家認同的關係 |
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目前看起來80%以上都是財務的問題財務的問題因為我問這個問題原因是因為在跟這些國外的智庫跟政要在去交流的時候常常會遇到一件他們百思不得其解的事情比方說吳昭憲身邊的共諜吳昭憲身邊的共諜他的薪資是很高的 |
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那為什麼他會想要做這樣的事情那是跟財務有關嗎還是跟他的價值觀跟國家認同有關我想這個部分國防部因為如果現在聽起來國防部相對單純就是以金融的這個問題困擾貸款為主 |
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那其他的部會會怎麼樣那當然是大家要一起來檢討可能要跨部門因為我剛剛聽到你們說跟國安局所以這件事情我是希望有一個整體上面的一個分析最好是有一個分析的報告我們才可以知道怎麼去應處因為如果是以金融為主的話那我們應該會有相關的可以做警示可能有些問題出現了之前就可以做輔導 |
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那如果不是以金融為主而是以國家認同價值觀或者是甚至是被威脅利誘等等其他的因素的話那我們就可以找出並爭之後才能夠有辦法來去做出相應的這個解決方案那部長接下來想要請教一下這個關於中國最新的這個軍事上面的改革 |
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這個美國的智庫 蘭德智庫最新的分析報告指出現在中共的解放軍正在小規模的實驗推動任務指揮他就是希望給下級有更多的自主權那報告有提到說中共他過去是雖然說是兵力是很眾多但是指揮僵化那也可能是過度集中指揮訓練也不切實際甚至有可能出現腐敗的問題那可能就是像過去就是像蘇聯那樣的狀況 |
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僵化的體制儘管他們看起來是有很多的這個裝甲車但是只要遇到正式的衝突的時候他可能沒有辦法展現他的這個指揮鏈部長就國防部自己的這個情勢來研判中共現在是否真的有開始嘗試來去做這個指揮的體系的去中央化的這樣的做法不知道您的掌握是怎樣 |
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我們是有看到解放軍報是有這樣子的一個報導不過我們的評估是認為任務是指揮成功的機組必須要有一個一定的權責下手讓各級部隊能夠充分理解上級的作戰意圖 |
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各級的指揮官都能夠被適切的授權然後還要能夠信任部署那這個蘭德的報告裡面在10月22號有提出一個報告他裡面也提到說這個共軍要維持集中式的指揮最主要就是因為政治優先他會強調忠誠所以 |
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這種引進西方軍事指揮的概念包括我們現在也在引進的這樣子的一個所謂任務是指揮或者是區中心化的指管這樣子這些概念的話他 |
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這個必須就那個過去以來這個以黨領軍或者黨指揮槍這樣的整個的一個一個一個中心這個的一個思想的這種會具有相當的挑戰性會具有相當挑戰性所以我們認為再加上中國最近整肅這個軍隊的高層這個看起來還是以政治忠誠作為一個部隊集中管制的一個最高原則 |
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所以要能夠 是不是能夠向全軍來推廣我們還是有充滿著疑問但是我們會持續來密駐但目前有聽到的消息是已經開始有做實驗性的推廣可以這麼說嗎我們目前沒有明確的有看到這樣子的一個模式已經到達了各部隊的這樣子的一個狀況 |
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只是看到就是說解放軍他有一個報導他認為說要認為向區中心化這個指揮架構來去重視他這樣子那我想這個部分我們也需要還要再來觀察他是不是真的能夠做因為我們得到這個資訊也是從這個蘭德智庫上面來看到的 |
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那我還是強調一下就是說如果我們有自主能夠得到中國方面的這些情報的話那對我們未來的這個掌握他們的能力是會有幫助的那單純的依靠一個盟方也是不夠的我們自己就要主動要有這樣的情資的來源 |
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最近英國跟美國之間本來是都會完全的情報共享的這種狀況可是根據經濟學人的報導英國跟美國之間現在有一些情報是不互相的特別是在跟美洲相關的事務上面所以說這個也是提醒說我們要有自由的情報收集能力來跟大家分享再來就是關於空軍的部分 |
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那中共的空軍11日他有這一個首次公開他們的無人攻擊11的戰機協同作戰畫面那針對這樣子的這個無人機我們現在掌握是怎麼樣他們的能力 |
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範圍是怎麼樣簡單的 委員好我們這個宮廷上面所看到的這個畫面在現在這個階段我們認為這個只是一個展示目前為止所看到的以展示的宣傳的這個目的為主因為在要達到一個協同作戰的 |
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背後的這個各項的基礎科學的基礎是非常的複雜包括美軍也才剛剛開始推出這個會對我們台海有影響嗎還是它是主要的目的不是我們會持續來關注這個部分的發展因為各種可能我們都會列入我們後面持續關注所以包含反制我們也在開始在思考怎麼樣的反制他們這樣子的協同作戰就對了 |
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我們會持續來努力 謝謝好 謝謝陳冠廷委員 各位請回好 接下來進行詢問委員 林楚英委員謝謝主席 主席有請顧部長來 部長請 |
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部長早 本席很肯定剛剛您在詢答的時候尤其是陳俊宇委員特別上來補充的時候有提到就是有關於現在國軍在協助宜蘭的救災的部分不會讓第一線的官兵承擔這種就是在救災過程中所造成的民間的這些損失那麼這個會有相關的預算尤其是有重要的預算來做協助因為這個部分我相信 |
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最近這個極度氣候之下極端氣候之下真的台灣還有可能很多的這個災變需要國軍地修第一線的搶救那麼剛剛我們特別都有提到有關於這一次我們報的是這個國軍的邊線筆提升的方案那麼當然除了薪資的部分加擠的部分之外其實本席會認為啦 |
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今天從軍我覺得榮譽感以及心理上面是最重要的我知道這個題目已經不是新的題目了但是我其實蠻關心的就是對於在野黨的最大在野黨的黨主席鄭麗文去追思所謂的共諜這個部分我必須要講對於蔣中正這一個人他在 |
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不只是國民黨的總裁我相信對於中華民國的軍人來說他有一定的影響性那麼當王滬寧這種涉台的系統要求學習無時精神而中國國台辦今年特別製作了一個大劇來歌功頌的這個人的時候那麼我要問部長是當今天在野黨的黨主席去對於共諜進行一個追思的動作的時候 |
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對於國軍的軍心會不會有影響那麼面對這個部分我們先從心態心理來講這算不算是一個心戰跟認知作戰的組合權國軍有沒有因應的方式因為剛剛前面剛好陳冠廷委員特別問到就是有關於當擔任這個國軍當中的共諜的問題 |
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這個有的時候真的是敵我不分就會因為一時的經濟或者是個人的因素可能就會走錯路所以這樣的一個組合權或是認知作戰部長怎麼看 |
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我想國防部的立場就是要積極的來防堵這個中國的滲透的攻勢所以財務問題是一個當然敵我的認同也是一個我們重要的一個宣導的事項那國防部會來跟官兵來做一個強化的宣導包括這個保防的警覺跟愛國意識然後 |
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我想也會透由這個國安聯防的機制跟國安情報團隊的密切合作來防止這個不法的滲透我想這個雙管要齊下一方面要深化官兵的保安警覺跟愛國意識那我們持續也會來結合這些這個相關的情職才急收急報急辦的原則這樣子 |
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好因為吳石這個人他所造成的傷害喔這個不只是當時他想要顛覆讓中華民國消失讓國民黨消失更重要的是對於國軍當時造成了極大的傷害這個部分我認為有必要以正視聽那我也很開心聽到部長認為說在新防的部分必須要再做更進一步的加強以及認知上面的導正另外一個當然今天我也想問一個問題就是無人機的部隊在 |
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海軍的部分海陸的部分是今年的1月16號就成立了而部長剛剛我們有特別講到就是有關於軍人的加擠的部分我知道陳俊宇委員也曾經在這裡質詢過您所以無人機部隊到底算不算戰鬥部隊因為當時他提出來的是希望給飛行加擠嘛所以對部長來說以現在整體國防部的考量來說這樣的一個部隊成立之後 |
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那麼他算不算戰鬥部隊如果算戰鬥部隊的話有沒有要編列所謂的戰鬥加級目前有這樣的規劃嗎部長跟委員報告無人機的本來他就是從戰鬥部隊轉型的是所以他當然應該是屬於戰鬥部隊所以我們在這個部分已經就這一些無人機的入軍的無人機大隊還有海軍陸戰隊的無人機營 |
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7223.655 |
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我們認為它是符合這個戰鬥部隊的定義所以我們也已經在8月份報到行政院然後我們研擬就是他們能夠指引戰鬥部隊加緊然後也 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
7225.113 |
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7240.639 |
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能夠追溯到各部隊編裝核定的生肖日來花給好言下之意就是已經在進行當中而且會往前追溯那麼我也知道其實如果根據國軍志願役服勤的加級表戰鬥部隊其實有 |
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7242.099 |
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第一類型跟第二類型第一類型是加擠一萬二第二類型是七千那麼在這個部分有思考到嗎會是報情哪一個類型因為我想其實這個有關於他還是說他們有不一樣的任務的時候會有不一樣的類型這個部分有思考進去嗎有有因為戰鬥部隊的定義就是直接跟敵軍從事作戰部隊或協同組團部隊提供 |
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7280.659 |
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這個戰鬥資源所以它有屬於我們會認為它是屬於第一類型的或屬於第二類型的那會分別按照它的任務的性質來做這個不同的一個加級的給予 |
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7298.771 |
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好 以下之意就是每一個人的任務不同那麼他既然被編進了戰鬥部隊以他的類型來看是第一或第二好 因為秉席特別提出來的就是我們在強調的是你在有任務再生的時候給予加緊這是一種公平性那麼既然部長跟整個就是相關單位已經有考量進去的話那麼我認為這會是一個 |
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在不論是剛剛我們前面所提到的在心理素質上面那麼在任務加擠在薪資上面在津貼上面給予他一定的這個部分我覺得很給予肯定那部長有沒有一個時間點現在行政院在核定的部分那麼現在走到什麼樣的一個流程了知道嗎 |
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我想因為你知道已經年底了那我們當然知道當時因為成立的部分是在今年1月那另外這個9月的時候其實陸軍也成立了無人機大隊那麼當然這都是後續的才成立的先成立的1月已經成立已經編進去了那9月的是後續的但是我知道這個過程中現在還在核定那麼有一個時間比如說現在已經到年底了還是說明年會一起給還是有什麼樣的一個期程行政院的回覆是什麼 |
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7369.375 |
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報告委員這個目前就是還是在人總審查中那我們掌握的是人總已經有請相關部會表達意見那我們也有一直在跟人總保持聯繫那人總的意思是說目前各部會的意見還沒有還沒有完全回來給他們那我們還是會持續追蹤掌握 |
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7369.935 |
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好那麼我希望本席今天在質詢之後我們也能夠競速因為這個都是當時在提報的時候沒有特別去思考到的嘛那麼既然國防部有想到那麼現在我們也提出來了那我就希望說至少不要拖超過一年至少有沒有可能 |
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7408.571 |
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我想我們會盡快 我們會一直持續的來跟人種來保持那個聯繫好 那麼我們本席也會跟人種針對這個部分我們也希望他們能夠在這邊有個答案 好不好是 OK 好 謝謝好 謝謝委員好 謝謝林楚瑩委員 各位請回接下來進行巡大委員徐巧欣委員 |
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7422.553 |
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謝謝主席那我們請顧立雄部長部長好那首先今天大家很關心的是這個國軍邊線比較如何提升以及因應的方法那我們呢今天在這個報告裡面我看到一個很奇怪的事情我不曉得這個部長您有看過今天你們自己發的報告嗎 |
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是 請委員指教我就先問你有沒有看過嘛有吧就是你們今天發給我們的報告你自己有先看過是有喔好那因為我要問啊就是在裡面你們在這個全軍人力概況當中喔你寫到呢 |
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114年之經那全軍的邊線比是79.2%那其中呢志願役佔了76.9%一年期的義務役佔2.3%但是呢你這種寫法是混用了這個邊線比跟人員組成比例的兩種不同的概念我想要請問一下如果我們單就志願役的邊線比答案是多少 |
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跟委員報的76.9就目前志願役的官士兵邊線比是76.9分人你的這個總基數是全軍的邊線比其中志願役佔76.9%是那我只我想要問的問題是那你只看到的如果我們在現有人員中齁那這個只有我們看志願役的比例你先撇除義務役的部分因為義務役他來了又走來了又走嘛那 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
7527.335 |
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7551.483 |
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你只看志願役的部分他的工作裡面他的邊線比是多少我們要知道的是這個因為這些部隊裡面的人他才是我們長留久用那可能20年不會離開的你不要把志願役的數據跟我們EUE的數據放在一起那我想要詢問如果用這樣子的比例去算的話那數字是多少 |
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剛剛蓮依已經有回答就是自願意的部分就是76.9好我給你看下一張你們真的都不要這樣子唬爛好不好這個呢立法院的預算中心報告裡面其實就很明確的寫了國軍自願意的邊線筆就是說部長我要跟你講你拿全部的然後把其中就是裝進了自願意跟義務意之後你得到的數字會是一個漂亮的 |
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7580.512 |
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7588.051 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
但是如果你把國軍志願役的軍官士官跟士兵分別的邊線筆所列出來的時候他是長這個樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
7589.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
7608.473 |
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我們從109年底我們可以看到我在這裡我只講最嚴重的最嚴重的士兵的等一下我們講士官士兵的部分士兵的部分你可以看到這個圖或許有一點點複雜你們仔細看一下士兵在109年底的時候給的這個數字是92.57到114年6月底的時候是63.35 |
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7618.783 |
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7625.71 |
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好那我一個一個來軍官的部分109年底是88.68一路下滑到6月底是81.18士官的部分86.21下滑到78.19 |
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7636.656 |
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7656.614 |
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所以總計來說以士兵的部分來講從109年到現在6月底的數據來說驟降了將近30%這個是來自於立法院預算中心的報告也是向你們提出資料的索取之後得到的結果 |
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7673.01 |
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所以我在講的是你們今天提供報告的時候的數據看起來很好但我們要問的是在志願役裡面軍官士官士兵分別的邊線比是多少因為他們的工作也是不一樣的 |
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7701.953 |
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那每一個工作的階層它也有它相當的一個它的功能性的存在所以你把所有都換成撒尿牛丸的時候你看起來數據很漂亮但是當你把軍官士官士兵你分別去看的時候你看到從92.57一路下降到63.35這就是為什麼今天大家要討論邊線比的原因所以這部分我希望 |
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7715.273 |
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可以去檢討不要每次給我們的數據這麼漂亮但實際上我們基層的軍官他們給我們的反應跟回饋都是一個人做好多人的工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
7716.348 |
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| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
所以今天既然我也很感謝主席安排了這樣子一個機會去討論國軍邊線筆的問題但是你們就應該要好好的去重新檢視到底是哪邊出了很大的問題像這個表格就非常的清楚所以部長我想要問一下 |
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7735.811 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
7764.259 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
在這個地方是不是我們在邊線筆的處理上面檢視上面不要用混在一起的情況可以針對軍官士官士兵他分別你要提升他的邊線筆你都要用不同的措施才有可能達到這是第一點等一下會給你們回答的時間因為我今天還有一些議題第二個我要講的是空軍空軍每年退伍的人數也是逐漸增加的我們可以看一下 |
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7765.7 |
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7786.672 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
借其不適滿的持續走高從我們可以看到右邊這個是我們空軍弟兄提前退伍以及其滿不適的情況111年到112年到113年這是我們目前可以拿到的最新數據那呢其滿不適的人數從19到25到34那 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
7793.345 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
7795.008 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
一個是漲了32%再來是漲了36%平均每年漲幅是三成多 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
7802.847 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
7823.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
再來空軍部分如果我們先前討論的是F-16V 66架什麼時候到貨嘛那大家很關心但同時我們要考量我們有多少的飛官能夠在貨裝66架的F-16V之後再加上我們本來的機隊有能力有足夠的人數來飛這個飛機 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
7826.942 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
7850.801 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
飛行員短缺的部分我們可以看到其實這個飛行員短缺的部分我們看到這個當然在前一頁這是彭博社的英文這個數據它引用了2011年到2019年竟增加了21位的F-16的飛行員以目前的增加趨勢來說就左邊這一張你可以看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
7867.214 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
那每一年要增加多少的F16的飛行員除了基本數之外如果只增加了兩到三位左右的話那要再增加大概一百多位那估計要多久的時間能夠完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
7867.995 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
7881.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
否則即便我們希望能夠貨裝F-16V的66架再加我們原本的戰鬥機然後又有分AB座艙一人座跟兩人座如果我們的飛官的人數不夠的話那我們整體的這個聯軍作戰的時候那買了這麼多的飛機那又要有誰開呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
7888.383 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
7905.653 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
所以是不是那我們先請國防部針對我剛剛兩個問題第一個就是我們空軍每年退伍的人數增加的原因以及我們飛行員短缺什麼時候能夠補足這兩個題目給我們一個回覆先跟委員報告我們整個空軍的流營 |
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7907.333 |
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因为这个数据您显示的这个数据到113我们跟113跟114年比较的话我们今年的流盈是增加了6.3%所以期满不蓄的人有多少期满不蓄的人总共是800多那也比这是113是800多总共是离的是800多但是我们今年的数字是只有400多比去年还要好了五成 |
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你講的是整個三年的這個離退人數就全部全部吧我現在只問飛行員而已啊飛行員的部分這個數字這個是飛行員這不是全部飛行員的部分跟您報告我們現在就是這個月的飛行員的邊線比是98.4我們要問你邊線比我要問你的是離退的部分因為你看這個表格嘛因為114年不好意思因為我這邊我沒有辦法拿到數據那這些都是你們提供給我的那既然114年有新的數你可不可以告訴我 |
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114年提前退伍的人數以及期滿不續的人數 個別是多少 |
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我們總共是104元到目前為止104元我們兩個是加起來是104元這是不一樣的啊提前退伍跟期滿不續是兩個概念主席不好意思請他回答完這個問題我們就結束請你告訴我114年我們的飛行員提前退伍的人數是多少期滿不續的人數是多少各自是多少請給我這個數字 |
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我們總共是104下去之後跟你做一個分別的數字但是跟委員報告期滿不續不代表他退伍他只是沒有簽續服役獎金我知道啊但是這個也是一個很重要的數據要做參考用 |
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因為大家都會去看說如果今天我只要跟你討論期滿補序我就不用提前退伍嘛所以我才說你要分開來看嘛包委還有一個很重要的因素我們會預判人事預判我們每一年離退的人數所以說我們每一年在招生飛行員的時候會補足未來所以說為什麼我們今天可以滿足到98.4邊線比的飛行員的原因也在這裡其實它的總數是並沒有下降 |
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所以嘛你要告訴我說提前退伍的人有多少期嗎我知道因為我剛剛講完他又另外補充所以我還得再回答他好不好那所以請再提供給我們然後也請注意到因為你現在講的所謂邊線比是你目前的部分那你有考慮到66架的F16V來了之後我們現在飛行員的人數是足夠的嗎 |
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因為你算起來的話大概需要大概需要我看一下 |
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大概需要大概100你們算是多少人你們算是需要多少人就是我們F16V整個66架來了之後包含現在的這整體的編裝的話是私下報告的我們編裝下去再跟您報告但是跟委員報告剛剛跟您報告的112年開始就做人事推估包含這66架的飛行員的補充 |
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好因為很多人都很擔心說我們整體的這個飛行員的人數因為提前退伍離退的人其實是多的這點你還是要多注意好不好是好謝謝徐曉新委員各位請回那接下來訓導委員是萬美玲委員時間4分鐘那個板子不用 |
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好 謝謝趙偉 我們有請部長部長請 |
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是 萬維好部長好我們賴總統上任之後不斷地一直在強調這個國防安全所以對美的軍購也不斷地在增加那除了早應該要交付的66架F16V戰機之外還有許多的飛彈系統等等武器但是如果要達到賴總統宣示的國防預算要達到GDP的5%恐怕未來天購的這個武器系統等等還會持續地增加但是本席看到這些武器 |
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都一定要搭配訓練有素的國軍才能發揮最大的作用那請問部長我們不斷的去增加軍購武器越來越多越買越多那有沒有可能會出現有武器卻沒有人會用的一個情況我想我們所有的相關的這個武器進來之後都要會做接裝的訓練 |
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好 但是呢 訓練是一定要的啦但是當你啊 人員不足或是人不夠的時候啊一定是會有這個自然難行的地方啦那為什麼我這麼說呢 其實部長也清楚啦我們來看喔 現在國軍人力喔 從110年到113年啊都呈現的都是邊線比低 而且提前退伍的人數也多喔所以這個問題啊 我相信社會部長不會沒有注意到 |
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那根據國防部提供給本席的資料我們有看到志願役的邊線比在110年的87.3%那降到來到113年的75.6%但是呢在今年總算是止跌回升那截至10月也來到了76%這是一個好的現象好的發展方向那我們再從國防部所屬的陸海空軍官校國防大學理工管理政戰學院國防醫學院 |
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從報考跟錄取的人數來看111年我們來看最少最低的2845個人報考那今年不錯也來到了4008人報考錄取率2067人那在現在面臨小死化的問題我們這一些數據還能夠逆勢成長本身要說算是相當的不容易 |
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那今年開始不論是志願役的邊線筆開始止跌回升或者是相關的軍事院校的報考跟報告人數都增加那部長原因一定有很多有很多大家努力的原因在裡面那本席對於國防部在提升國軍的這個駐用環境也好或者是整建職務宿舍提高伙食費等等還有提高各項的家籍 |
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這些努力 這些努力本席是肯定的但是呢 不是這些努力就可以去達到剛才以上數字現在越來越進步那本席認為呢 在今年六月份的時候我們立法院三讀通過軍人待遇條例 |
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把志願役的加給有每個月大概是一萬三到一萬五統一調升到三萬這個絕對是一個很大的誘因並且是一個很大的鼓舞所以我們看到在今年這個軍事院校的報名人數報到人數也都創下了新高那所以其實 |
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我們看到這是誘因之一我相信院長不會說這個一點影響都沒有那從開始這個修法以來其實說真的有很多所謂的異男或者是有準備要投入這個國軍的這個行列裡面不管他本人或家長頻頻的都是跟本席或辦公室來詢問相關的修法 |
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所以我想這個是起了很大的鼓舞作用但是現在行政院到現在遲遲不肯編列這筆預算部長您是國軍的大家長針對這樣的一個狀況您是不是應該要更來支持我們的加薪那是不是能夠請部長來跟主委院長再溝通一下那把大家的心聲來講出來盡快來依法編列明年為國軍加薪這個部分您能做到嗎 |
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我想國防部的立場就是從不斷地來檢討這個國軍的待遇然後從整體規劃的立場來調整這個相關的佳績所以才會有從今年四月份開始會有五項的佳績 |
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剛才本席都說過 你不要拖到我的這一分鐘我只是講 以上的我都肯定但是針對現在行政院還不肯編的這個預算的部分本席希望你能夠拿出一個作為國軍大家的態度那跟這個行政院來建言 跟他反映這個心聲就這麼小一個心願因為我們看到招募國軍真的很不容易 |
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那但是要留住這個人才更是不容易所以我們好不容易啊我們邊縣比剛剛有講嘛你們今天有提希望在年底拼80%我看按照現在的速度是可以的可是進來以後把它留住這才是更重要的一件事情那如果要把它留住喔我想喔 |
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我們就要有各項不管是在薪資在環境都要去給他提升所以本席希望到現在為止行政院不肯編的預算您站在市這個國軍的大家長務必跟我們一起把這個預算來爭取到可以嗎 |
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我剛剛已經說明了本部向來重視這個官兵的福利所以提升軍人待遇在114年向行政院增加了這個五項的佳績那整體的來講我們也持續的會來進行整體的規劃那至於這個您講的這個軍人待遇條例的這個部分那麼行政院有它行政議題這個整體的一個考量那我們基於行政議題的原則 |
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我們尊重行政對於國家行政議題 但是本席更希望你拿出一個態度堅實的國防建立在穩定的軍隊穩定的軍隊就要留住人才所以我們的態度就是我們會不斷的持續來調整然後來規劃提升軍人的待遇好 謝謝希望您加油 謝謝外美領委員 各位請回我們國軍在過去九年挑釁大概七次到八次 |
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那4月1號剛調整不管是戰鬥加擠各項專輯那我想條性大家都喜歡但是合法合憲以及符合國軍各項專長加擠人力優適合的配置才是重點另外提醒那個政戰局跟我們人事室今天有一個問題有幾位提到我覺得讓社會釐清一下你們在算邊線筆的時候其實沒有拿EWE去灌水 |
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一物一是常數 以前到現在都有列入計算去年4000多 今年也4000多 把它拿掉比例根本不變這是一個數學問題我已經在這邊聽了兩三位在提這個問題了那也許你們沒有回答的時間 本席提醒這個部分讓國人了解 邊線比的計算一物一從以往到現在本來就在裡面而去年到今年 我剛才聽到數字如果我沒錯都是4000餘位 所以它不影響那個比例 |
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以上我建議你們要提出比較妥適的完整說明好 接下來進行尋答委員鄭天才委員 鄭天才委員 鄭天才委員不在接下來進行尋答委員 羅廷維委員謝主席 有請部長部長請 |
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國軍邊線筆是戰隊最重要的一個新指標之一但若長期偏低不僅會增加同仁負擔也影響國安所以我記得我第一次來的時候也是在跟您關心邊線筆的一個現況那現在我想就教一下就是現況的數字我們有沒有分單位陸海空的一個邊線筆還是就是全軍的 |
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我們當然各部隊都有各部隊邊線筆但是我們各部隊的邊線筆不方便在我們能夠提出整體的邊線筆但是個別部隊邊線筆這個整體的邊線筆79.2 114年所提供的一個數據 對吧那我們要拼80今天報告也寫到為穩定整個部隊的一個基層戰力 |
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本部今年潮減少人力的流失提高留營的意願及提升招募的成效從三個方面來努力包括取消休假的回報制度開放官兵出國自由以及調整志願役官兵的返營時間與恢復常態的留職規定人性化的一個管理 |
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我覺得誘因真的很重要所以本席之前有跟部長談過國軍返鄉的車程能不能補助在所有外離島的一個服役的官士兵他從外離島返台的車程啊不論是船或飛機都有補助但回到了台灣準備回到家裡可能是在南部可能是在東部好像這種的交通補助能不能有部長這部分到底有沒有評估評估狀況如何 |
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我請後事事委員好我是後事事次長向委員報告這個問題其實之前已經有經過部內多次的討論我們之所以沒有針對外島返鄉到台灣之後他再回到他的家裡面去去做補助是考慮到橫平性譬如說我們現在有很多官士兵他家是住在高雄可是他在花蓮服務 |
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如果我們今天特別針對外島地區回來的人要去做補助的話像我個人我家是住在高雄可是我長時間在國防部服務已經超過六年了那我每個月往返也是將近一萬二的高鐵的費用如果要考慮橫貧性的話不宜特別針對這個部分去做補助以上報告 |
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但是你剛剛也提出了你相關的一個數據包括你個人一萬二嘛那在你身上有顯現出這樣子的一個車程費用那我還是要提出說每一個人都希望不管是增加國軍的福利增加國軍的相關的一些薪資但是我希望透過這樣子的一個狀況還是要反映出目前你們的評估是不是能夠再更紮實的去了解一下具體他們的需求了解官兵的需求 |
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這也有可能是誘因之一再來做一個配套性的一個整合甚至是有條件的去協助我覺得這個部分是有蠻大的一個需求部長剛剛您聽到不管剛剛您旁邊所說的他們所提到的他自己本身這樣交通往來大概一萬二那更何況是士兵的一個需求那我想的是不是每一趟或者是他因為像外島回來他可能是一陣子他不是每個禮拜 |
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對吧 外島可能一個月放假一次可能三個月放假一次 是嗎像委員報告有可能因為他配合他外島的輪休假可是我們思考到同樣未接的人譬如說有中下士他在國防部擔任勤務他家住高雄 他每個禮拜可能都會往返他可能需求會比外離島回來的人需求會更大但是在國防部上班的狀況跟在 |
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他的家籍更少 他還沒有外島家籍有外島家籍我知道 對像委員報告就是如同剛剛之前部長有報告我們會全面性檢討我們的結構包含家籍包含薪資調整以上都會做橫平性的考量 |
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能夠體諒為了這個公平所以你有這樣子的一個擔憂但是我想還是要再提到我們一直在爭取就是希望說他們的福利能夠再增加那也希望說這個部分上部長能夠再多關切官兵的一些福利狀況 以上謝謝我想官方部一直持續在關切 |
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我們外島的志願役官兵其實我了解很多都是當地本籍人士的對啊好 請回號 謝謝好 接下來進行巡禮委員葉元之委員葉元之委員不在王宏威委員 王宏威委員 王宏威委員不在徐富奎委員 徐富奎委員 徐富奎委員不在楊瓊英委員 楊瓊英委員 楊瓊英委員不在蘇清泉委員 蘇清泉委員 蘇清泉委員不在接下來進行巡禮委員是林益君委員 |
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謝謝主席有請顧部長是 林委員 |
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部長早首先本席就直接切入今天的主題國軍正面臨的人力不足的實際上面的問題是有關各單位的實際的邊線比的問題部長我們就直接看國軍部隊戰力的核心也就是戰鬥部隊與戰鬥支援部隊簡報裡面的內容是根據你們國防部提供給本席 |
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好的資料我們整理了大約是從106年到114年的9月底國軍各單位的邊線比的趨勢我們先看戰鬥部隊這個部分好左邊是所有的戰鬥部隊的邊線比的走勢我們很明顯的看到從108年109年之後整體都是整個下滑的趨勢真正負責作戰的單位包括防空飛彈艦隊裝甲 |
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機械化的步兵及海軍陸戰隊四個單位的邊線比不只沒有達到80%的標準甚至是低於75%的嚴重不足尤其是陸軍的裝甲機部跟海軍陸戰隊不只邊線比嚴重不足甚至到了114年也似乎也都沒有改善的趨勢偏偏這幾個單位就是地面作戰的核心中的核心請問部長你們有發現國軍核心的整個作戰人力不足的嚴重問題嗎 |
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因為戰鬥部隊要真正的發揮戰力的話戰鬥支援部隊是不可或缺的但是我們現在看一下戰鬥支援部隊的邊線比最慘的是陸軍通訊還有海軍的陸戰通訊還有海軍的陸戰 |
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工兵還有海軍戰鬥支援這四個那不只邊線比都低於75%也沒有改善的趨勢那請問部長針對這些戰鬥部隊還有支援的部隊邊線比那麼低的情況除了用義務義趣充實這整個人力之外國防部有沒有一些具體的改善措施呢請部長說明 |
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我想今天的報告主要就是召委希望我們來提出這個邊線筆提升的具體方案跟因應做法那我想我們在這邊也提到了就是說我們持續不斷的這個努力 |
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那現在希望能夠讓這個招募也好留營也好不似乎的減少也好都在逐步的這個提升當中所以我們希望我們當然還有很多努力的空間那當然我們會持續來努力讓這個變性比還是盡量的往上走這樣子 |
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還有一個就是根據我看本院預算中心的報告指出我覺得這是一個問題想要詢問部長一下自願役人力到今年六月底是75.58%但是今年國防部的報告在第二頁上面有寫到全軍目前的邊線比是79.2% |
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其中自願議佔了76.9議務議佔了2.3那請問一下部長就是國軍目前的邊線比究竟到底是多少啊然後為什麼光一個邊線比的統計國防部的數據和本院的預算中心報告是不一樣的是不是你們的統計的基礎是不一樣的 |
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因為據我這樣看整個了解全軍的邊線筆包含了志願役還有義務役但因為義務役是強制的徵集然後理論上邊線筆問題是比較不大的所以要檢視部隊人力的問題我看應該是要以招募還有流營的整體成效的話實際上是要聚焦在志願役的邊線筆 |
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的趨勢那請問部長光看這志願役的邊線筆的話到底是目前是多少呢如果是強制徵集的義務役人數也記錄的話這樣是不是有一點像在美化整個邊線筆的嫌疑呢 |
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剛剛其實王召偉也提到了那個義務役的這個部分本來就是我們三月統計六月統計或者現在統計也好他都是差不多呈現一個固定數字那我們也在報告裡面有區分出志願役的部分是佔76.9那這個部分跟這個這個預算中心所提出的數字的差異我想請任志時做一個說明 |
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委員好跟委員報告就是說我們79.2是現在目前最精確的數字是我們線上直接拉出來的數字這個絕對不會有問題那整個在做招募的過程裡面其實我們每年度啊我們設計招募8T次 |
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然後到第五梯第六梯大概就年底生效但是六月的時候那時候就前面三個梯次所以說人還沒有完全進到部隊裡面來所以說那個時間點每個月他其實會不太一樣因為招募的或者是退伍的這個每個月都不會一樣但是79.2是現在目前最正確的數字所以79.2的話是自願役加上義務役嗎是 |
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所以志願役的部分76.9嘛那這個我們也有顯示啊那如果是說像之後可能義務役的話當兵是一年了嘛如果這樣的話那邊線筆的話這樣的話應該是還是可以當作一個參考數值嗎您說義務役的部分嗎對義務役的話因為現在是四個月嘛之後的話義務役的話可能就是當一年嘛 |
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就一年期的EWE會算進來因為一年期EWE才算入編制數裡面 |
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所以我想其實有兩個問題想要提醒一下部長就是第一個問題就是因為今天在講人力的部分因為國防部這幾年真的是大量的採購很多新式的裝備所以這是需要比較專業的志願的士官兵來操作的所以如果讓不夠專業的義務役來操作的話我是怕會拉低了整個主戰部隊的平均的戰力 |
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還有第二個問題就是說像主戰部隊的志願役如果真的不夠如果讓義務役來加入的話那國防部就應該要提供足夠的誘因畢竟主戰部隊還是相對對守戰部隊的話是辛苦比較多啦所以一般義務役通常是都不太願意主動的加入 |
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所以希望國防部要趕快在一年期的義務役人數達到高峰之前趕快研擬一個獎勵的辦法才能吸引義務役加入部長那你覺得呢我們因為義務役是採這個就94年次以後他一年期嗎那我們現在當然著重的一個這個成果的就是在志願役的招募上面那志願役的留營部分也還有志願役的不適合減少的部分 |
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我知道這是當然也是要努力的目標就是要招募和留營但是相對的我們當然是要擴大擴大國軍人力的有很多方法像也可以讓這些義務役的然後來當一年的時候他或許他認為當兵也不錯或許他也願意再留下來所以這樣的話是不是就針對他的獎勵方法可以給他多的獎勵讓他能夠繼續留在這個軍中呢有沒有想過這樣呢 |
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有有有所以現在對於一年期的義務役在服役當中我們如果透過他的志願然後轉服成志願役的話我們都是非常歡迎的那應該有一定的成效了這個部分 |
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委員好跟委員報告就是說義務役的他從入伍開始我們就開始做招募他分發到部隊去之後一樣同樣的我們都會做招募那去年到現在今年我們就講今年就是一年期義務役進來大概有10%轉成志願役那後續他到部隊服務之後我們還會持續讓他了解部隊的特性也希望能夠他能夠加入國軍 |
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對啊 就是說怎麼樣讓他可以想要留下來那是不是給他更多的獎勵方法呢我想我們應該還是說會進行一個招募那還是在他自願的情況之下然後在服役的當中來了解這個部隊的型態然後他覺得他能夠適應然後他願意轉服自願役那我們就非常歡迎這樣 |
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好 那謝謝 謝謝好 謝謝林議軍委員 部長 各位請回部長先請坐我們昨天去考察裝訓部楊基隆中將陪同 非常感謝他有一些問題要給部長做了解我們目前M1A2T當時採購就沒有附上BMS |
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你沒有戰場管理系統去執行現代化的C2所以我們在現場我相信楊中將當場就看出問題來了我們訓練科目沒有這一塊還在用聲音去指揮結果打出來有三台坦克打一個目標兩台坦克打一個目標那這個科目因為沒有訓練所以我們今天講的是邊線比邊裝訓用你將來我們有了BMS |
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現在訓好的部隊還要再回來補這個科目這有點讓可惜的NYAT的現代戰鬥能力另外如果我們還在等睿子的話 |
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對此 我相信軍方比我還了解我覺得我們陸軍應該趕快補強我們的現代化的BMS否則訓練上缺了一塊 全員都缺了那一塊 這個是一個問題好 這個是給部長做參考好 我們今天會議到這裡告一個段落以登記質詢委員不在場外 軍已發言完畢報告及詢答結束本日會議由沈伯陽委員因為到歐洲德國參加國際會議 |
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那這也證明中國的跨境鎮壓根本是一個BS是一個政治上的恫嚇動作那也代表沈博洋委員在自由民主國家暢行無阻我剛剛從美國回來他上個禮拜也去韓國參加國際會議所以中國的恫嚇對我們的軍方是最先做的不管是軍情局 制通電局 或者是戰局我們要小心翼翼但是也不用被他嚇到了而在 |
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沈博洋委員的今日在德國的會議剛好也打臉了這些中共以及在台協作者的臉那他今天請假那他這個 |
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另外他要提出書面質詢請列入紀錄並刊登公報委員書面及口頭質詢為其答覆部分或要求補充資料者請國安部於兩週內以書面答覆委員有約定期限者從其鎖定11月12日13日兩天一次會所列議程均已處理完畢我們現在散會大家辛苦 |