| IVOD_ID |
170324 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170324 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-20-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
21 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-08T09:49:20+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-08T10:00:17+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:57 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/4fafa81be08c8210d5409073cb82b360203c8b184455ea81a89c27feb000dbf54d2da20803297bd05ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
郭國文 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:49:20 - 10:00:17 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第21次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分，有關財政部主管臺灣土地銀行股份有限公司、財政部印刷廠、臺灣菸酒股份有限公司。（僅詢答）
二、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分，有關金融監督管理委員會主管中央存款保險股份有限公司。（僅詢答）
三、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分，有關金融監督管理委員會主管：（僅詢答）
(一)特別收入基金－金融監督管理基金。
(二)信託基金－保險業務發展基金。
【7月8日及9日兩天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席有請金管會彭主委請彭主委委員長早安主委好我想今天還是要跟你討論國泰金控的相關的問題這不是在討論個案是國泰人壽的保護有八百多萬國泰金控的投資人有四十幾萬所以那個社會關係的利害關係的涵蓋面非常的廣我要讓你知道 |
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這家公司基本上你上次定一個治理失靈我覺得已經不是治理失靈了他已經到有恃無恐還可以賴帳卸責那個國泰投信是勞動基金運用局全權委託的投信結果呢第一個時間點損失的金額高達4.5億國泰投信他不想賠他不想賠這麼求證過 |
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他不賠的話就影響到誰影響到廣大勞工的權益這是第一第二個你有沒有去了解過為什麼相差五個月之後他六月份才進行結算合理的推斷跟懷疑他後面的四億多四點九二億他也不想賠 |
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所以有一家公司是這樣子自理私理連基本的社會責任概念都完全都沒有啊所以我是說主委你應該要強化監理啊他這些東西不但是違反了金融服務法公平待客原則還違反金融消費法的保護法第七條的部分衛競善競管理人注意事項還有不當的差別大於等等隨便憨不當當講就違反了好幾個法 |
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他為什麼可以這樣有恃無恐主委因為他認為可以掩蓋事實嘛因為沒有發布重大訊息嘛沒有發布重訊他就可以掩蓋事實啊所以我就去問啊我們就問了這一個證交所證交所第一個時間跟我們講說呢因為這個不到權益的10%只有4.54億不用發布重大訊息主委有這條規定嗎 |
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我想先依序回答委員的問題那待會比如說這個部分要請交易所來跟委員說明那第一個就是我們強化監理絕對是剛剛委員提到就是說為什麼會不賠這件事情我想我上次也跟這個在委員會也報告過我們棋局邀請他們的負責人來多次責成他要負責處理好我想負責處理當然是要賠啊對啊就是公平待客也是我們跟他說的 |
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是啊所以我的意思說這件事情實際上我們有跟他說後來我們看到結果就是這樣倒是說今天這整個過程我剛才講我們不談個案我只想說這不是一個案不是 我說假設是因為這個你自己操作的失誤那當然就是那至於說比如說權委他要看他的契約上如何約定他自己去做認定我想這要請公司來回答這問題我也跟委員報告過這也是為什麼我們精簡要去深入了解的原因 |
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那再來剛剛那個重訓的部分重訓的部分齁 林董事長你們證交所根本回答說不到10%我不是要這一條在哪裡啊您在回答之前我就先講一個光是公開發行公司的取儲啊超過3億啊他就得發布重大訊息啊這一個第一時間點第一次的認賠就4.5億欸第二個時間點是4.9億欸 |
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兩個前後都不到十加起來是17% |
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林董事長這需不需要發布重大訊息基本上來講跟委員報告那個當他第二次到4.94億的時候就超過了我們的10%就剛才提到17%所以說事實上我們在上個禮拜五就已經去函給那個國內金控上個禮拜五才去函要求他發布對啊這會不會太遲啊因為這件事情衍生已經超過半年之久而且 |
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那個最重要啦那個就說那個董事長我這邊不是在為難你就制度面的部分我們有沒有什麼再精進的空間我就說取一處啊三億就要處理啦對不對那十person的 |
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根據在哪裡 我去查過 是資產的10%資產是含負債加權益的部分所以為什麼你們可以單一的認定說這不需要這這麼重大的事件 這也是讓整個國泰有恃無恐的地方啊因為沒有人知道嘛 可以私底下作業嘛可以動員跟政情局很好的讀懂去進行遊說跟關說嘛是不是能夠 可以不用賠嘛 |
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郭委員我想跟那個所謂剛剛上次已經說明過了對我知道你有說明過了但是我還是免不了要強調一下嘛同樣一個行為在重大重訓發布程序當中的主委跟那個林董事長第四條當中的第一項第二款當中就寫到說要避免對財務造成重大影響這還沒有造成重大影響嗎 |
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我意思是說董事長在這邊 主委在這邊我們有沒有可能透過這件事情把它精進化把它具體化對 謝謝委員的指導那個其實我們任何一件案子既然委員會這麼關心 委員這麼關心我們絕對是會針對每一個個案再重新來審視一下這也是為什麼過去我們的重訓啊項目高達五十幾款的原因因為每一次呢 大家都會對 |
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不同的訊息給予不同的定義所以交易所這邊也在與時的俱進跟他的上市櫃公司之間如何做資訊充分的揭露我想這部分我可以答應委員一定會回去再根據這個再來檢討在一個月內給本席一個回覆然後在整個國泰監控底下 |
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外面還有在傳言還有在講說是不是還要去查一下國泰金共所屬的子公司 孫公司是不是還有持有私心KY或者呢 郭明健前董事長他雖然辭職了他兼職的獨董還不只這一家 |
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這個部分有沒有納入精檢的範圍我想我們精檢人員應該是今天還在啦所以我的意思是說這個他們基於他的專業我在這邊也不方便跟委員說我們的檢察人員會查什麼這也不能在這邊說我只是說該查的我們都會去查對 該查的會查包括本席提的這些也會查那該查的要查連同這兩天報紙出來國泰經控連環報 |
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連一個這個置地廣場建物還超高還要打掉四層樓已經投入百億了要不要一起查一查我想這個案子因為涉及到建管的規定我想當事會蓋房子不是隨便能夠蓋我想他應該去跟釐清公司應該要對外釐清說為什麼在取得建造又會違反那個地方政府之間做好的溝通說明要對外說明 |
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這從來沒有聽過這種消息啊因為房子不是一家公司隨便要開就能開而且已經投入百億了喔所以這個東西公司應該好好對外說明投入百億了餒然後這裡頭其實本席在討論的一個問題還是在究責啦不要讓他卸責那偏偏的究責的部分我們又設立一個責任地圖 |
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那責任地圖啊要他們自我問責啊有如登天之難啊不然的話台中銀行不會說那個銀行局長又叫他兩個月之後再給他修正一次業者會有這種這麼主動的自我救責的能力嗎老實講我是非常的懷疑啦其實委員也會有這個顧慮委員也不用擔心因為我們其實上如果委員說你有仔細研究我們的財閥書的話我們最後都有加上一個請他要救責 |
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他如果輕輕放下我們絕對不會就此罷休啦因為問責地圖是針對高階人員的問責制度問責委員會是否啟動有無動靜我想金管會應該第一個時間要有所掌握可是我在上次問的時候就是完全沒有辦法理解所以是不是會變成難以就責形同謝責的方式是不是主委你可以思考一下有一些把它辦法化不是想說用自律就可以期待這個問責制度得以落實啦 |
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是委員講的我是同意的因為我們的監理有多層次的監理的方法最強制的法令要求法律要求法令要求法規自律規範還有所謂的指引這些各種層次我們會根據不同的情況來做而不是完全都是採用一個方式因為這個確實是 |
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我可以同意委員的意見 任何一件引發市場關注或是導致市場發生負面新聞事件我們都應該好好的利用這個機會好好來檢討所以經檢局的責任就很重要啊他檢查到什麼程度你才能了解問題到什麼程度你才知道要修正到什麼程度 制度要改善到什麼程度嘛這也是為什麼我們檢察局過去一向非常專業檢查 我想這沒有問題 |
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我最後一個問題齁還是要跟主委溝通一下這在坊間我從三月提出這個問題之後不斷的被人家詢問啊委員啊 啊是怎樣高點 高點找分開就高點齁 要改一年半這也是我們未來要調整的問題 為什麼啊我真的不曉得怎麼解釋欸後來我跟你們查了一下你們十月底以前要做市場調查要去問相關業者 |
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619.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
就要花個半年超過的時間啊法規修正又要三個月投資人宣導還要六個月這種還需要什麼投資人宣導嗎要到明年七月才能上路我現在很難解釋啊要用一年半的時間來修正這十分鐘啊我跟委員報告我以前沒接這個工作的時候我常常以為想當然爾的那個事情當我了解以後通常不是這樣我請教育所來做個說明沒有 教育所林董 |
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620.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
624.171 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
這個其實上次就說明過我只跟委員解釋交易所的制度攸關非常多的投資人各種都有還有參與者 |
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645.538 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
653.405 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
如果我們只要漏掉一個環節就會產生很大的問題所以我們會非常謹慎能快我們不會慢謝謝委員好 謝謝主委的答覆謝謝 |