| IVOD_ID |
170323 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170323 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-08T09:50:00+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-08T09:59:01+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:01 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/4fafa81be08c821052a3343d72f75ab23f9d9bcb29de6404a89c27feb000dbf594bd1da7f89406e15ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
洪毓祥 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:50:00 - 09:59:01 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員會主任委員、外交部首長、僑務委員會首長、大陸委員會首長、財政部首長、金融監督管理委員會首長、內政部首長就「協助海外台商因應地緣政治變化及區域經濟整合之輔導策略」進行報告，並備質詢。
二、邀請經濟部部長就「全國電力資源供需報告」進行報告，並備質詢。
【7月8日及7月9日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席然後接下來的話呢我想我先請這個外交部請外交部陳市長委員長放映 |
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因為這次陪同院長去美國稍微也跟各位在座的稍微說明一下大概台積電目前的亞利桑那廠的話一廠大概已經是投入量產預計的話二廠的話大概就是所謂的3奈米 |
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然後再來後續的話應該就3、4、5、6、7然後再來就是到這一場的話就是本來它高階封裝COVAX是要兩座現在目前的話暫定是一座那它在北區的話是大概1100畝南區的話大概是900畝那我們也跟台積電跟當地的帶過去的供應廠商去看他們有什麼困難、問題 |
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那其中第一個他們談了很多不管是關稅法規用地人力融資所以我先請這個外交部來就是他們反映的就是因為我們常常會有一些工程師需要做短期的派駐從這個廠物製程設備這些等等想請外交部一下請問台積電這些赴美廠商大概使用哪一類的簽證不曉得熟不熟悉 |
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他們理論上如果要工作需要使用B1 B2簽證喔B1 B2 不是應該這樣講他應該用的是E2的一個簽證也就是他走的這一個東西是叫Treaty Investor的Visa我們一般就叫條約投資人的簽證因為他是有投資的那這個地方的好處來講就是他沒有名額的限制然後的話審核跟出境快速 |
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因為E2的Visa的簽證的話基本上他並不透過本土的移民局也就是USCIS他基本上是在台協會AIT的省裡就可以另外一個很重要的配偶他可以拿EAD他可以做這個合法的這個一同赴美做合法的工作但現在的困難就是說外交部要去協助因為不只台積電要供應的廠商這個E2的簽證的Visa的approved平均六個月 |
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太久所以他並不是一個常駐的一個形態的一個公司就是說我們在美國投資那麼多人那外交部在這一個地方我覺得你們要掌握狀況因為他除了E2以外可能他也可以用L1就L1A或L1B |
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那個當然是在高階主管或資深工程師在台積電工作滿一年所以我為什麼請你上來的話就是說希望你注意這個E2的這個Approve我們現在馬上這個亞利桑那社館相關的這個協助我們這個赴美投資相關的這個因為主要是要跟AIT溝通希望他們加速審理好不好 |
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這個再回去 等一下我再給你一個報告再給我就是看你怎麼去加速它好嗎好來 下一位我們請這個財政部財政部是軍事代表是你副市長你副市長 |
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好這個東西我們去的時候呢也是一個很大的問題所有的這個台商包含台積電供應鏈以及台積電的員工等等也就是說在這個台美雙重科稅的優惠一般我們就稱為這個有人叫台美避免雙重科稅的一個協定叫ADTA那主要來講的話呢就是因為我們跟美國並沒有正式的邦交所以你沒辦法簽署常規的雙邊註約嘛 |
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所以在美國眾議院的話基本上他針對這件事情他可能就透過國內的稅制法去作改但現在的問題喔廠商的反應就是說這一個東西呢2025年1月眾議院 |
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美國眾議院已經高票通過但是現在卡在這個參議院我不曉得財政部跟剛剛外交部或者是相關部會有沒有什麼樣的努力的一個措施當然也包含經濟部就一定財政部先回答看看跟委員報告這個租稅協定的這部分財政部持續跟外交部還有駐美代表處都在積極的努力推動中 |
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對,但是你的做法是什麼?我現在問你好了,他卡在參議院哪一個委員會?外交部知道嗎?財政委員會但是他主要是有一個參議員他對於所有的稅的東西他都不通過所以現在我們的做法是說第一個我們請財政部已經去跟美國財政部對接然後我們把所有的行政程序都做好 |
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那麼以後的這個配套的東西都已經準備好那我們持續的去對這個美國國會進行說服我們希望現在給的回應就是說因為這是一個比較小的一個立法所以他們必須要去找一個好的一個參加 vehicle 來做包在其他裡面 |
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對 這是說因為你講的都是過程啦所以說我們還是要加速啦因為台商一直complain啦因為這個包含你的這一個投資的稅率的規範也包含員工啊它這個是雙重課稅嘛因為它現在預扣稅的話是差不多30%嘛那在這個法案的話它可以當到10%包含股利股息的話大概10到15%啦 |
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所以我覺得這些的數字或者是你怎麼去針對遊說團體去加速這樣的訪問的進展現在我們的策略大概會在那個期中選舉之後新一屆的這個上來之前你已經拖很久所以可能要加油啦好不好我是點出問題就是說你這個東西就是廠商的痛啊好不好 再來另外的話再請經濟部經濟部國務省 |
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進入這邊的話廠商這邊的話現在的話問題也很重重重的抱怨就是說我們在台灣我們都知道有科學園區的經驗但是現在初期的話你知道這個我們大概像台積電來講的話它建廠的成本大概是台灣的幾倍部長清楚嗎有不同的說法有些是超過70%你問過台積電嗎有些是你問過台積電嗎 |
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因為我之前在台積電當董事的時候他們因為隨著時間經過那個算法也有不太一樣我現在差不多告訴你他剛開始初期大概是差不多7到8倍左右慢慢降到4到5現在的話大概兩倍多一點那基本上這個是台積電但供應商的更可怕供應商大概是7.7到8 |
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就是他講的供應商就包含材料那些所以我是覺得美國人他們自己的困難控股有沒有這個經驗我想要問的是說經濟部對這一個科學園區你怎麼去協助尤其是在我們的工項投資跟這一個跟美國這邊的協議不曉得有沒有規劃報委員如果供應鏈端的話 |
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就是我們現在跟TIMA正在合作嘛那有可能會在Alerona還有另外在德州的部分可能會各設一個TIMA的這個供應鏈園區啦那一個是for那個AI server的部分一個for半導體的部分那因為我們進去以後啊就會使得它的建造成本會下降個別的這個中小企業的部分因為基礎建設我們大概都先會幫他處理好 |
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我覺得我還是要求剛剛這些書面報告包含外交部這些然後這個財政部等等的課稅然後你們科學園區的規劃包含這些工項跟台美雙方的預算規劃跟時程因為台商這邊額外負擔成本很重 |
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在外交部他之前的回函我是不太滿意台灣是晶片小偷之前又再講又多60%的我還是希望你們那個外交部給我再更好的回答然後第五個就是融資的協定的法制來源這個有請國發會一直報告都還沒交出來謝謝謝謝洪運祥委員請大家請回座下位置請 |