| IVOD_ID |
170306 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170306 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-06 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-36-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第23次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
23 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第23次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-06T11:51:32+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-06T12:03:52+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:20 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/09e0feae5cc9a38abee1362db052949367f2ff6e242cc4a8612bd8a7873ed5445539fcaadf5c76f55ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
莊瑞雄 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:51:32 - 12:03:52 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-06T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第23次全體委員會議（事由：邀請司法院秘書長、法務部部長、財團法人法律扶助基金會、財團法人犯罪被害人保護協會針對「犯罪被害人訴訟參與制度之現況、檢討與精進」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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會議時間繼續進行到所有登記發言委員群大結束為止有請莊昭偉謝謝主席有請我們法務部馮城次長還有檢察司張司長有請馮次長跟張司長 |
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我想要來就教次長跟司長,對於中聯油脂這件事情,我覺得裡面有貓膩,我覺得非常奇怪的一個地方,一級的致癌的這一些,讓台灣民眾會健康遭受到嚴重損害, |
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這個叫做本田比的很專業的一個名詞這樣翻譯過來我為什麼覺得裡面有貓膩的地方就是說4月4號的時候南橋就發現了以後就向他的供應商去跟他示警說你這個出現了那個超標致癌超過4倍4月4號就已經知道了那你去看中聯油脂喔 |
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那現在看起來好像大家都在講中聯油脂 哪是中聯油脂中聯油脂其實就是福茂啊 福壽啊 泰山這幾家裡面就是一個人就是百分之三十三點三這各占三分之一 他們全部都是大股東啊所以不是中聯啊 是這三家中聯只是個殼子啊 這三家其實才是真正的一個當事人啊好了 那問題來了為什麼到六月底 六月三十號 |
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那這件事情才讓我們石鑰匙來做一個揭露出來這裡面啊 我今天看到 我今天特別跟你們部長打了個電話這個不是只有台中地檢署要去辦你們應該啊 應該是在高檢署要有一個全國查緝的一個平台啊因為畢竟你這個中聯你在各個縣市裡面你還是有工廠嘛你說彰化也好啊 你說高雄也好啊甚至於它發貨後有一些倉庫嘛 |
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這個問題我是覺得非常可惡的地方是集體隱匿 集體在造假為什麼我這樣講按照我們整個食品衛生安全管理法第七條的一個規定你食品業者發現你的產品有危害衛生安全之餘你第一個事情你就要停止去製造 |
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藍橋4月4號跟你們示警說你這個工廠生產的東西超標4倍有致海的風險那為什麼到6月30號政府才知道這將近三個月的時間這三家業者包括中聯他們在幹什麼你們不覺得奇怪嗎 市長你們都覺得這位是誰你們這個案子如果到你們手上的話以我這個 |
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三十年律師經驗的人來看我就知道不尋常第一個這三家根本就不是被害者這三家跟中聯一樣都是加害者他們理論上任何一家工廠知道第一件事情 |
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一定是停止製造 一點要求 嚴重喔 為什麼超過四倍你要停止製造嘛 那第二個你就趕快去收回嘛那再來馬上 其實第一件事要做的 趕快通報 這是他的義務啊這是我們食品 我們食安法裡面規定得非常清楚的啊 那趕快去回收啊 |
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四月份蘭橋有異常 超標四倍到6月30號 你們不覺得很奇怪嗎我為什麼說 光台中地檢署不夠因為這些東西涉及到各個倉庫裡面 各個分廠裡面他要去大型倉儲要去配送你再把它查下去的話 我今天早上一直在想這個問題所以奇怪呢 哪有可能將近三個月的時間你們這些董事會的人全部都不知道 |
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後來讓我想通了 我覺得很奇怪為什麼呢 因為他在6月24號改選董監事如果6月24號改選董監事的話我當然這個訊息會不會影響到董監的改選我先給你看看好不好我不相信這件事情 這三大股東不知情 |
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為什麼?中聯的董事長其實就是這三家裡面的其中一個董事長來當董事長喔所以他們怎麼會不知道本來他採購的是從美國動比較穩定的長期就是美國動後來你這個採購量這麼大 |
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然後呢這種跨國運送又涉及到期貨契約的你去把它買一個比較便宜的那個烘烤的煙燻的巴西豆不是說巴西豆不能買我意思是說你從美國豆你要把它轉換成巴西豆的時候第一個就有價差的問題嘛那是誰決策決策哪有三大股東都不知道 |
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你董事長本身就是三大股東之一來做的啊所以我是覺得市長這個問題喔非常嚴重的地方就是說已經全台在串流啦你回收率喔你如果說我們知道現在個位數啦這個是多可怕的一件事情啊所以我認為喔這件事情涉及到集體的盈利我都很認為喔 |
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所以說 市長你在做什麼事情的時候 你不覺得扶植林林不用叫來嗎廠長不用找來問一問嗎 評管人員不用找來問一問嗎然後全國各縣市的那個分莊廠 配貨發送了多少 各地檢署那時候你們在辦的時候 早上你們整個都衝進去這件事情我認為 法務部你們腳步要加快涉及到全國人民的食安的問題 |
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這不是一天一天的問題這產品是都流傳的也到我們家庭 也到學校裡面去各個夜市裡面去 每一個人都中招啊每一個人都中招啊那消費者會問你說這次政府你的角色到底是什麼這種人看嘛 就這麼簡單嘛你不要以為說這好像是 我服貿 我服售我泰山 我把中年滅 我們好可憐這鬼的咧他們全部都是共犯啦 |
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他們全部都是加害者啊他們必須對消費者來講這次他們就是加害者他們必須要給全體國人一個交代外面那個市長跟市長你們的看法是怎麼樣 |
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跟委員報告就是說食安的部分因為牽涉到國人的身體健康這絕對不容許說有任何的侵害啦所以法務部的態度跟委員的態度這邊是一樣的就是我們對這件事情會高度的重視那我們在高檢署有成立這個打擊民生犯罪平台各地檢署也有打擊民生犯罪平台那這一次的狀況也不單單只會是台中地檢署台中地檢署已經立即成立了你今天去哪裡開始啦7月3號的時候就是說有分案了嘛 |
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現在專案會議也開了然後針對於說我們現在目前委員剛剛提到的郵品的範圍怎麼樣用食安團隊來讓他就是儘速的查確認範圍然後把它就是回收下架然後另外一個部分就是說針對於剛剛提到的文書是不是有隱匿的部分這個部分檢察機關也會去進行他們的一個調查市長法務部現在的責任是什麼四月份四月四號藍僑跟你中聯講這三大股東不可能不知道 |
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三大股東裡面其中一個就是董事長其他人都是董監事受責到大額採購的一個變換從場地的變換 涉及到期貨的一個合約這大股東不可能不知道這大嫁的 你知不知道我如果是那間的酒店 |
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假設我是中聯有職的一個廠長藍橋來跟我講以後 我會點點我這個廠長真的都 這三個月到底發生了什麼事這個欺騙台灣社會耶 這個集體在隱匿耶 |
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他們這個傳播對台灣的消費者來講他們就是加害者我今天沒有時間去講到被害者保護的一個問題但是這個議題我倒認為說要有更強硬的一個手段啦不能說他們是大手手啦 |
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你這個殘害對抗的你看這個兩千三百萬人的健康讓他們拿這樣的一個為他們自己的一個利益那個東西在跟我們對賭你知道嗎用我們的健康在對賭他們不只我都很懷疑四月四號知道以後假設我庫存還很多的話為什麼要拖三個月的時間我看不只是股東 |
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那個開股東大會在改選董監事的問題我剛才涉及到說不然這個損失太大是不是把這些先把它給消掉很合理的啊那如果是這樣子的話這邊全部都是無良的廠商耶我在司法法治委員會我從來不針對個案去講話但是問題是涉及到全體台灣人全體兩千三百萬人的身體健康跟生命的一個問題啊超標四倍 致癌一級耶 |
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誰敢中的呢 啊這要怎麼做這要怎麼做 政府立場要怎麼做所以你罰不 我認為你們本來就應該要強硬啊跟委員報告 我們在這件事情上我們一定會採取重訴重嚴的這個角度那個案的部分我們已經請高檢署還有各地檢署針對這個部分去處理那針對於說這個剛剛所提到的確認範圍跟文書的部分的隱匿以及有沒有刑事責任或者說相關的一些行政責任的部分 |
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食安團隊的這個部分會積極去做我們不預設立場我們在立盤從來就不預設立場但問題是說發生這種這麼嚴重的食安的一個事件這些不合理的狀況你法務部你就必須要站在消費者的後面你必須要當在當消費者的一個後盾啊這樣才對啊 |
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要給要求這些業者或者你們要盡速查明這三個月的時間到底他們在幹什麼你要給國人一個交代啊是 跟委員報告我們今天早上台中地檢署也發了新聞稿然後就是把他們目前的一個可以跟社會大眾講的部分都已經就寫在新聞稿上 |
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那會後的部分我也把這份新聞稿立刻傳給那個那麥公獻旗啦 市長我覺得我在這個地方這個質詢很合理啦民眾有這個來講的話標準有知的權利嘛這三個月到底在幹什麼這三個月為什麼會把這個訊息把它掩蓋起來到底發生了什麼事讓台灣兩千三百萬的人陷入這樣的嚴重的一個食安致癌的一個危機 |
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不尋常啦整個契約變更去改變美國豆改成巴西豆這你的自由你可以講出很多的一個理由但是這三大股東他不是路人甲他們也不是受害者董事長就是三大股東之一董建市大家都有派駐這樣的一個重大的變更他們不可能不知情然後你中聯知道以後 |
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知道南橋跟你市井以後代表三大股東全部都知道那全部都知道為什麼四月知道到六月底的時候才要來通報按照食安法的規定你本來知道以後就要停止生產跟回收 它都沒有 |
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繼續做 繼續賣 可惡的地方在這裡啊所以 我要求法務部 你就必須要給消費者的後盾儘速 我不要給你定期 儘速給消費者 給全國人民一個交代好不好合理嘛 阿米教育林個案啦嘛 總是事實要去做一個這個涉及到 民眾健康權益的問題嘛好不好 這一題 給大家看一看啦 好不好 謝謝好 謝謝莊召偉 |