| IVOD_ID |
170301 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170301 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-06 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-5-15,26-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-06T11:10:38+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-06T11:22:48+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:10 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/09e0feae5cc9a38adee23889b52cc05c053ee76114b5cdb66f57b09da713bd6220347047a26059635ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
徐欣瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:10:38 - 11:22:48 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-06T08:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：一、審查委員林月琴等21人擬具「跟蹤騷擾防制法部分條文修正草案」案。二、審查委員王育敏等16人擬具「跟蹤騷擾防制法部分條文修正草案」案。三、審查委員莊瑞雄等16人擬具「跟蹤騷擾防制法第二條及第四條條文修正草案」案。四、審查委員羅明才等18人擬具「跟蹤騷擾防制法第十二條條文修正草案」案。五、審查委員羅廷瑋等16人擬具「跟蹤騷擾防制法第十二條條文修正草案」案。六、審查委員翁曉玲等23人擬具「跟蹤騷擾防制法第十二條條文修正草案」案。七、審查委員蘇清泉等29人擬具「跟蹤騷擾防制法第十二條條文修正草案」案。八、審查委員廖先翔等22人擬具「跟蹤騷擾防制法第三條、第四條及第九條條文修正草案」案。九、審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「跟蹤騷擾防制法第二條、第五條及第十二條條文修正草案」案。十、審查委員林宜瑾等18人擬具「跟蹤騷擾防制法第五條條文修正草案」案。十一、審查委員陳瑩等19人擬具「跟蹤騷擾防制法第五條條文修正草案」案。【僅詢答】
【7月6日、7月8日、兩天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席,本席有請我們劉部長跟張署長 |
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部長 署長我們今天是在審查跟蹤騷擾防治法修正案那內政部的報告寫得很清楚我們跟騷法從111年6月一直施行到115年的5月全國的警察機關已經受理了11703件 |
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其中有29730次的跟踪骚扰行为最多的是通讯骚扰其次第二个是丁少尾随我想这个不是少数的个案这个是人民每天面对真实的恐惧那我们今天要问一个最核心的事情就是内政部自己也讲全国警察核发书面告诫 |
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平均要12天那只有23.4%的案件可以在受理當天來核發那部長還有署長對政府來說這12天是行政流程但是對被害人來說這12天每天被跟 每天被堵 每天被訊息轟炸每天出門都要回頭看看有沒有危險的空窗那署長要補充一下 |
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這個委員的這個狀況就是說我們知道這個跟了這個這個身份之後我們當天核發的大概有25%就是當天就核發的身份那至於這個11點就是對於這些身份不知道是在數位的空間就是網路的空間他不知道是誰 |
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要知道這些的一個相關的這些的這個他的網址的他的這個帳號要知道這些跟蹤者是誰是這個時間是在查這個人所以如果我很明確的告訴這個警察說是誰有很明確的當天就會 |
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所以這個是平均下來是平均不是說一個少女案件就是要11點92點那就差太多了這個是因為在調查身份的不知道是誰那身份是在空中的是在網路的這一個時間要跟平台來調的所以即便當事人都不知道實體的他是誰不知道啊他不知道啊家人他不知道是誰啊如果知道的話那當然 |
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那如果署長這樣講,我們就接著續問那這個網路的不能加快嗎?要十幾天我們看之前有一些政府官員甚至總統副總統受到這種無形的這種 |
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騷擾的話好像都很快啊還有沒有啦網路網路不能夠很快嗎沒有真的沒辦法這個其實這個有些同志大主管機關你這網路一定有可以在 |
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這個看怎麼樣快 這是不是你們跟這個網路的 樹發部所以是你們跟樹發部這個之間的溝通還有他們協助的樹發部跟平台的這個相關的這些的溝通今天樹發部有沒有人來 有有有有 有有有 有一位施主長來 樹發部這個速度應該可以更快 |
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以我們現在的這種科技還有我們國家這個監控各方面我們這個預算也很多啊這個我們會跟平台跟IDC業者來盡量溝通請他們加快調取的速度不要用盡量嘛以你們的經驗現在我們受理然後我們要去查到這個 |
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你覺得最快速可以多短的時間嗎如果是依照我們本部主管的炸防條例的話一般來講大概是3天左右所以這個12天跟3天我們怎麼縮短那署長還有部長這邊書發布3天啊那難道是公文這個過程是公文嗎那這樣我覺得國人的期待應該要更短 |
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因為署長我相信您也有這個同理心嘛今天我可能因為如果我更不知道他是誰然後他透過網路我會開始想說那他是不是出現在我的生活中他只是用網路來跟騷嘛那可是他會不會出現在我生活中他在監控我我不知道所以這一塊我們這個希望來說只要是說這些的平台業者 |
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多久時間可以讓我們我們就好了剛剛署發部已經講原則上三天所以這一塊我們想要求我們是不是可以 |
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把這12天再縮短這12天絕對不符合國人期待那再來本席也想請教我們是就這樣子就是說我們知道它這是一個根梢的一個行為知道這個行為之後永遠我們在72小時以內就可以合法順便告結書72小時以內就是說知道這些根梢的行為我們在72小時以內我們就可以合法順便告結書 |
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所以好那太好了我們就能夠加速我們希望加速這個12希望下次看到數字的時候我們希望就這其實三天對當事人來說他都很痛苦 |
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所以我們要特別強調的就是我們這個跟騷最怕的不是沒有法而是法在跑的流程人卻已經進入危險所以我們希望這個時間我們要再縮短好不好那這第一題請那個訴發部可以回座 |
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第二個就是我們看到內政部的報告說九成以上的跟騷案件警察介入或核發書面告誡後就停止再判衛福部也引用了這個說法這個九成的嚇阻效果但是很多民眾跟我們反映所以我們現在要問你這個九成有效你們的有效是什麼意思 |
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有效就是不會再跟他被案人被案人被案人不會再來報案了啊就是這個已經已經沒有停止跟騷了啊那被案人有來再報案我們有核發順便告誡就會進入到申請保護令了 |
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所以這一塊我們想要請警政組就緊接來的今天如果說我給你核發順利告誡被害人又來報案又跟了就進入到緊急保護令就進入到保護令了對對對這樣很直觀沒有錯但是這中間實際的情況很可能是我是被害人我因為害怕報復我不敢再報案這一個怎麼辦 |
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我們要宣告所有的民眾一定要來報案 |
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然後加害人他就改用假帳號匿名訊息境外平台騷擾他沒有被抓到那這算不算也是這個要調查所以是不是我們警政署這裡我們內政部可以把這個成效指標從沒有在受理改成被害人安全的追蹤理有沒有去確認比如說 |
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至少確認一下你報案之後我們也核發了告誡書那你的情況是不是OK這一塊有沒有可能做你說對回覆的訪視就對了被害人的案子我們再去追蹤我們來 |
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這個可能就是我們來研究看看研究一下,給我們書面報告,兩個月內提供一下我們請署長回座,我們請部長還有衛福部的代表,今天是副司長,張副司長 |
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署長可以回座部長還有我們的副司長我們看到衛福部的報告說有委員提案要把認知的教育心理輔導相對人的儲育計畫納入根燒防治但是衛福部認為這些儲育項目對改善根燒行為的效果要累積更多的實證基礎這一塊你們的意思是什麼 |
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是不是請我們興建室來做說明好啊也可以我看興建室好專委 洪專委感謝委員的垂詢那因為這一塊我們就是因為過去在訂這個法的時候其實我們根據日本的研究大概是有2%是屬於這個 |
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精神疾病的这个病态的那当然它有治疗的效果但是对于就是非病态的其实要用医疗的角度去介入我们其实是比较保留希望可以有更多的实证去检视好对当你需要更多实证的时候你没有积极的去收集或是你积极主动的你去得到这些案例啊不是被动的等待啊 |
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所以我們想問說行為人如果被告誡後仍然反覆的騷擾衛福部現在有沒有標準化的相對人的處遇課程有沒有有沒有這個 |
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跟我也報告因為目前的這個法令上面就是可以處精神治療或者是戒癮治療所以如果不是精神治療或者是戒癮治療目前其實我們在實務上我們是沒有相關案例但是我所以你們避免一個標準化對於加害人他應該怎麼處理你們沒有去做 |
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做這個追蹤跟判定我們之前也有詢問台灣司法精神醫學會在實證上面目前是沒有相關的充分資料但是我們也建議就是主管機關可以針對我們過去已經發生的這些案例太陽的類型其實做一些研究以上那剛好啦我們對於這個被害人 |
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一個是加害人我們這邊當然希望就是說你不是只有你說沒有但是你應該積極去收集更多去了解而不是目前沒有這第一個那這是針對相對人那但是對被害人我們這邊也要提就是說針對被害人我們的心理輔導與支持現在我們這一塊 |
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做的情況對目前就是有關跟蹤騷擾的被害人如果經由警政署轉介到我們各縣市政府我們各縣政府的設置單位是會提供被害人的相關服務包括心理支持服務所以這個以各縣市政府來說的話他們有提出的然後都會進行就對會會我們有相關的服務可以提供所以這個的判定是由各縣市政府對的 |
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社政單位所以這個心理輔導跟支持讓這個受害人他需要受到輔導的時候我們政府可以有支持的這個部分是可以的謝謝 |