| IVOD_ID |
170254 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170254 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-02 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-26-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-02T11:03:17+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-02T11:18:48+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:31 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/cc5c88b044d5f1e0c05746b66d7ce819c206a561727bd8a3445447d5dde846b999a31e873eea2ed35ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃秀芳 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:03:17 - 11:18:48 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-02T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：審查
一、委員徐巧芯等19人擬具「菸害防制法第二十六條條文修正草案」案。
二、委員黃健豪等17人擬具「菸害防制法第三十七條條文修正草案」案。
三、委員羅智強等17人擬具「菸害防制法第二十六條條文修正草案」案。
四、委員羅智強等17人擬具「菸害防制法第四十條條文修正草案」案。
五、委員吳宗憲等17人擬具「菸害防制法第四條條文修正草案」案。
六、委員陳秀寳等20人擬具「菸害防制法部分條文修正草案」案。
七、委員林月琴等22人擬具「菸害防制法部分條文修正草案」案。
八、委員王育敏等20人擬具「菸害防制法部分條文修正草案」案。
九、委員呂玉玲等16人擬具「菸害防制法增訂第七條之一條文草案」案。
十、委員邱若華等17人擬具「菸害防制法第三條及第十五條條文修正草案」案。
十一、委員陳超明等31人擬具「菸害防制法部分條文修正草案」案。
十二、委員王義川等17人擬具「菸害防制法第三十二條及第四十條條文修正草案」案。
十三、委員林倩綺等22人擬具「菸害防制法部分條文修正草案」案。
十四、委員陳菁徽等21人擬具「菸害防制法第十五條條文修正草案」案。
十五、委員林思銘等20人擬具「菸害防制法部分條文修正草案」案。
十六、委員邱鎮軍等20人擬具「菸害防制法部分條文修正草案」案。
十七、委員賴瑞隆等17人擬具「菸害防制法部分條文修正草案」案。
【僅詢答】【第十二至十七案，如經復議則不予審查】） |
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今天發生食用油含致癌物質我想請教業者主動通報 |
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這個就會從四月份生產的這些油脂然後到這個六月底主動通報那這個兩個多月的時間其實我們看到它製造的這種18公升的油其實應該大部分都吃下肚了那我想請教就是說從業者主動通報那一直到所有的通路商下架這些有問題的產品那目前這個整個下架的這個狀況你們有掌握嗎 |
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好 跟委員說明因為這一個案件我們現在還在持續調查的部分就是因為它在4月的時候它有驗當時候驗的時候是合格的那是到後面又有下游的廠商 |
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這個距離這個時間是差不多那我們這個時間他們下游廠商一驗有問題通報上來之後我們就啟動了所以我們是6月30號他們通報上來我們7月1號就發布下架所以目前還在那是昨天的事對所以現在還在這個所以4月份我現在 |
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大家在質疑就是說四月份生產的這些油脂到六月份可能下游廠商他們自己再驗一次然後發現有問題那其實這在兩個月這當中其實18公升的這些食用油應該早就在自助餐或者是夜市餐廳其實應該都已經就是大部分應該都已經吃下肚子裡面了 |
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所以我想請教就是說在這兩個月當中就像剛剛淑芬委員講的就是說你們可能半年去檢驗一次其實我覺得這個頻率應該時間太長了那未來針對這一部分我覺得應該我們也要再更主動一點這個時間是不是要再縮短 |
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好跟文包我們會把這個整個事件因為他一開始驗是正是合格的到後面下游才驗出不合格所以我們這個事件我們會把它完全調查清楚然後再來這個檢討哪個地方要強化包含委員所提到的這個抽驗的頻率要不要縮短要不要強化這個後市場的抽驗這些我們會一併來檢討所以我覺得他這個檢驗應該也有問題 |
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哪有差那麼多的差四倍就是說因為他檢驗也不是他自己驗他也是送給外部的單位驗檢驗的單位後面驗出不合格的也是這個檢驗單位所以他 |
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所以到底這個是樣本的問題還是因為製程過程當中的問題我們會把它理清楚我們希望就是說真的要把這件事情理清楚因為有是每一個每天都一定會吃到的那尤其是在我們現在外食族非常的多幾乎大家就是三餐都是吃外面所以這個食用有的部分我們真的要把關尤其真的那個自助餐餐廳夜市這種 |
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應該都會吃到我們這一批的那個有問題的油所以我們希望就是說政府單位就是要一個這個嚴正的來把關民眾的健康就是要用政府來把關不是由業者我覺得業者他如果今天不主動通報的話其實吃到肚子裡面也沒人知道對不對這個我們會強化這個業者的責任也要有 |
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因為這個畢竟是影響到這麼多人每天的這個生活飲食健康所以這個一定要強化那政府的外部的監督那也會強化那我們也希望就是說後續的這個在通路可能在超市裡面的這些油品是不是有確實的下降 |
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我覺得這個應該也是要你們主動再聯繫地方政府是不是有主動要求他們就是要下架那這些民眾遇到這樣的有問題的這些油品是不是退貨的這個部分是不是也我們會依照我們過去的做法我們第一波是先公佈這個不合格的油品品項 |
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那接著就會去調查它的流向通路到哪裡去那讓民眾會更清楚你是在哪一段時間在哪個地方買的那你應該要那原本說15個品項那現在昨天台中市台中市那邊說變20個品項那會不會更多 |
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會不會 有沒有可能更多這部分我們其實一確定之後呢希望所有的盤出來所以我們去查出來的一定是有多少品項一定會及時的公告讓全民知道我們一掌握我們就會發布新聞這樣那有沒有可能這些食用油它也是有做加工就是加工食品餅乾啊 或者是什麼加工類的東西那這個是不是也要讓民眾知道 |
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有 我們現在是這樣 它是那個B2C的就是直接是販售給一般民眾的我們會把它的流向通路讓大家回去退貨那至於是B2B直接再提供給各業者的那也會通知那個業者那當然不應該再繼續使用如果還有存貨的話就不應該使用 |
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我覺得後面應該要再加強就是說整個要追蹤那在這個實驗室檢驗室方面這個可能也要再去到底是哪一個環節出問題不然整個檢驗出來怎麼會差那麼多還是原料的問題或者在製造過程當中出問題我覺得這個應該都要掌握 |
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好謝謝那接下來我想請教今天就是我們有關這個陰害防治法這個條文修正草案的一個這個審查那我想請教就是說其實以我最喜歡以立法院這邊來做一個舉例就是說立法院不論是在我們這個群憲樓底下或者是在那個 |
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康源旁邊的走廊其實有很多我們的同仁可能會在這幾個地方吸菸那當然就是說我們希望是不是有可能設吸菸室 |
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就像國外有的他們就有設吸煙室那當然在這個煙害防治法原本就是說室內不得吸煙當然我覺得這個是室內不得吸煙可是如果是有設吸煙室的話是不是除外我覺得這應該可以去討論如果你今天不設吸煙室的話那大家都在外面吸煙那很多人就會吸到二手煙所以我覺得與其是這樣應該是去設一個吸煙室會比你 |
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呃就是室內不得吸菸然後大家就是在室外吸菸啊室外吸菸就是更多人吸到二手菸 |
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部長你回應一下我們了解委員的意思是希望減少被二手菸侵害但是整個菸害防治法的精神其實是盡量要去降低吸菸的任何的可能性包含在各種的公共空間希望營造為無菸的環境所以這個是最重要的立法精神 |
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那麼設吸菸室是不得已的辦法如果在這個場域中真的沒有辦法一定要吸菸的話那麼才去設置這個吸菸室讓真的沒有辦法的民眾連這一點時間都忍不住的 |
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才讓他有一個吸菸的環境避免去影響其他的人其實精神是這樣所以我們都在覺得像台北市他要去推動一個無菸的城市這個是我們很支持也非常應該來朝這個方向來努力但是在 |
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吸菸室既然是禁菸區那麼吸菸室的設置那麼他也應該要符合盡量不影響你不要在吸菸室周邊的人很痛苦所以要盡量讓這個吸菸室要遠離人群 |
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那麼同時也不要去凸顯這個吸菸室的存在讓別人誘導吸菸好像我本來可以忍一下不要吸的結果反而少了這個戒菸的動機了所以這個也是在設置這些相關的吸菸室的時候要一併去考量的 |
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當然這個利益良善就是說能夠讓大家就是說可以忍一下然後不吸菸可是我知道部長你應該也可以感受到就是說很多場合大家在室內不能吸菸可是他們就會就在餐廳外面就是可能就在餐廳的門口外面或者在角落吸菸那其實還是一樣影響到其他人所以我是覺得說像一些公共場合 |
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其實我覺得應該可以去考慮就是說是不是可以在角落設吸菸室那當然這個吸菸室它可能就是會有一些這個菸可能就是這個菸已經有經過處理才排放出來的我覺得這個是可以減少對其他人的影響 |
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就是說我們設吸煙室的先決條件是這個區域是禁煙區啦你沒有禁煙區又設吸煙室那這個就沒有意義啦所以一定是先劃定一個區域它是禁煙然後再來考慮合適的地點把它劃成吸煙室或吸煙的區域這樣 |
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當然我看到台北市這樣的一個吸菸區我在想說到底有多少人會進到這個這個這個柵欄裡面這個回答這個到底有多少人會進去裡面吸菸所以我當然這個也是利益良善就是說要吸菸的人就固定在這個地方吸菸避免去影響到其他人那這個利益良善可是到底有多少人會 |
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會因為他有設這樣的一個吸菸區然後進到這個吸菸區裡面吸菸所以說我覺得說當然希望就是說不要那麼多人吸菸然後危害自己的身體那當然先決條件也不要去危害其他人因為沒吸菸的人聞到那個菸味其實是覺得很痛苦的 |
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因為我看 如果是靠近夜市 這有點太近我們那個西煙 如果這個區域是一個禁煙區的話那個西煙的點要遠離這些人群它旁邊也就是那個停車的地方 那對面就是一個夜市 |
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太靠近並不是好的地點我們剛剛提到這個地點的選擇要遠離人群不然你在這邊這個地方現在不是那個濃度更高大家都集中在這裡那周邊的人就受害了所以這個地點的選擇也很重要 |
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接下來部長我想請教就是說我們現在在這個孩子尤其是現在國小國中高中其實持有這個電子菸其實是蠻嚴重的一個問題所以我們也希望就是說當然針對今天的這個修法就是說持有未來就是有罰則 |
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那當然就是未來是不是在這個平台網路平台上面能夠讓他不是那麼容易能夠取得或者是不是那麼容易能夠透過網路去購買這些電子這個這個我們講的這個電子煙因為其實在網路上其實還是看得到也買得到對那所以我覺得說未來針對這部分應該我們還要再加強尤其是在網路平台好 |
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在這次修法我們也特別注意到這一個因為現在這個電子菸的很多銷售販賣的管道是透過電子媒體的所以我們在這次修法裡面會去強化這個業者這個平台業者他的管理的義務跟責任所以你們有賦予他有這樣的責任不得販賣嗎 |
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應該是這樣講我們現在其實是有一個管理的要點是希望這個業者做到的譬如說他要自己去把關那麼關於菸品的廣告他不能夠上 |
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你這個商品在販賣的時候不要有廣告不要有煙品的廣告那麼另外它要有一個把關的機制對於我們非法的這個這個加熱煙也好或者是這個電子煙它是不要給它上架的 |
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所以他要有這個管理這個篩選的這個義務那未來如果立法之後他就會更強制他就等於是已經有法律授權的法規就會有對應的法則那當然這個立法還沒完全之前還沒完成之前 |
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我覺得你們應該也要跟這些平台我們有一個規範給他們這樣要不然其實真的目前我們的高中以下這些學生其實持有電子菸的這個狀況其實是嚴重的那有時候學校的老師或者是會有一些反應就會覺得說這個是應該政府也要再加強尤其不要讓他們那麼容易在 |
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網購上面就直接可以購買我們會持續的來宣導強化正確的認知不要認為這個電子煙輕忽了它的危害因為當時候在修法的時候那麼我們採取納管加熱煙嚴禁電子煙就是考量到電子煙的型態會不斷的改變 |
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因為它的這個煙油煙彈內含物是什麼會跟毒品去混合所以當時候委員也非常支持這樣的論點所以我們是先納管了加熱菸但是嚴禁電子菸所以我們會持續的去強化讓這個年輕的朋友們可以理解這個不要輕忽了它的危害好 謝謝謝謝 謝謝委員好 謝謝黃秀芳委員發言接下來請圖圈基委員發言 |