| IVOD_ID |
17025 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17025 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-35-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-12T08:34:05+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-12T10:55:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
02:20:55 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/7a505bc1fba11f2d456f1a8eac090e91ca74fc33bd46f677914d0d15f34b2c020cb96543b3d10cb45ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：邀請僑務委員會委員長徐佳青報告業務概況，並備質詢。（11月12日及13日二天一次會）） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:34:05 - 10:55:00 |
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請問在場委員對於上一次會議議事錄有沒有遺漏錯誤需要更正的地方沒有的話我們議事錄確定請議事人員宣讀本日報告事項報告事項邀請僑務委員會委員長許家青報告業務概況並被質詢宣讀完畢好我們先介紹在場委員鄭永康委員羅美玲委員另外我們今天列席的官員由僑委會委員長許家青率隊 |
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1954.311 |
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1969.004 |
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副委員長李延輝是第一次來歡迎李延輝副委員長張良明副委員長主任秘書榮佑兒綜合規劃處處長張浩鈞僑民處處長陳永峰僑教處處長林紀榮僑商處處長游凱權 |
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1983.255 |
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2007.727 |
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僑生處處長張文華秘書室主任邱惠燕人事室主任谷元林資訊室主任白忠光政風室主任楊尊仁法規會專門委員徐佑林通訊社社長吳曉竹 |
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2011.189 |
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2029.905 |
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海外信保基金董事長侯麗楊海華文教基金會執行長陳柏芹好 我們今天議程是邀請僑務委員會委員長徐家青報告業務概括並備執行現在請徐家青委員長上台報告 |
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2041.792 |
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2066.429 |
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主席各位委員大家早榮幸應邀進行今天的業務報告今天報告將以因應多變局勢強化僑務支援動能來進行主軸的推動以及相關的成果連結僑力壯大台灣這四個面向跟大家報告請各位委員不吝指教 |
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2068.492 |
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2092.661 |
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賴總統於2025年國家安全與經濟韌性論壇中強調國家安全的內涵不再是侷限於軍事防衛韌性不是被動的防禦而是主動塑造未來本會也秉持這樣的核心理念整合橋界的能量推動橋務政策以及相關的國家戰略來相互呼應結合僑胞力量拓展台灣的國際空間 |
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並以台灣文化教育科技產業金融等各項來推動相關的政策深耕橋界形成雙向支持互利共榮的良性循環提升台灣總體的韌性 |
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2110.322 |
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2128.171 |
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首先 針對推動主軸跟委員報告第一 擬聚橋立 鏈結主流 擴大台灣的聲量本會在海外有超過兩百萬的台橋包六千個橋團 一千所橋校以及十七萬名的留台校友 |
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2128.871 |
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2148.803 |
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我們以多元的活動來協助僑胞生耕在地的社群並且在近年來籌組Team Taiwan參與各個僑居國的主流社會活動僑界透過與主流的政要、社群、社會各界長期的鏈接為台灣發聲是重要的公眾外交與國際支持的基礎更為穩固第二個 |
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2151.874 |
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2165.876 |
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以台灣的軟實力來串聯橋界傳播各種意向本會以台灣的軟實力為核心串聯橋界力量深化公眾外交在策略上有主要的兩個項目第一個以台灣華語文 |
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2167.558 |
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2195.457 |
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學習的深耕計畫來形塑差異化的台灣華語品牌並且臨派台灣優質的藝文團體赴海外巡迴表演舉辦台灣美食巡迴國際講座結合海外各地的主流活動的宣傳來增加大家對台灣美食與文化的認識並且結合綠色議題的轉型辦理ESG等講座協助我們的橋台商全面掌握全球的永續潮流 |
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2197.918 |
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2204.484 |
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僑胞對台灣的情感與認同身份的連結外我們也向國際社會呈現台灣多元文化的內涵 |
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2205.629 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
2228.602 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
第三培育海內外的青年世代來擴大我們僑務動能本會持續以培養海內外青年為核心來推動青年的培育計畫那麼依各個年齡層有不同的方案包括有自民國一百年起舉辦海內外的青年文化大使英文就是縮寫叫FASCA |
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2229.183 |
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2238.899 |
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培育體系採在地訓練參加自主性的活動而且他們在暑期都能夠返台參加進一步的活動培訓第二個 |
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2240.031 |
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2268.074 |
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更進一階是舉辦全球橋界青年交流論壇我們邀請全球的橋界菁英返台進行交流座談上週才剛辦完今年度的這個論壇那麼從106年起又進一步的辦理了搭橋計畫那麼搭橋計畫也非常受到國內的大學生的歡迎近幾年來都有非常多的大學生不斷的來申請我們的相關搭橋計畫的名額 |
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2270.135 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
2289.873 |
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去海外来做各种的交流那么从民国113年起我们继续向下扎根针对国内的高中职学生办理桥物探索营希望能够引发我们青年学生的一个兴趣第五自去年开始青年百亿圆梦计划 |
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2290.834 |
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2309.393 |
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的政策開始實施本會也協助提供圓夢計畫的相關名額讓國內的青年能夠赴海外實習蹲點那麼有海外以及國內相關的這些青年的培育計畫促使他們能夠在不同城市上各種面向上讓海內外的新生力量能夠有交流的機會 |
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2311.923 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
2334.857 |
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第四為了因應產業的新趨勢協助橋台商全球重組的佈局當前美國推動的對等關稅政策加速了各國供應鏈的重組並且朝向智慧化與淨零的發展政府積極導入科技創新與高值化的發展策略來尋求多元的市場佈局橋委會也在此 |
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2336.258 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
2350.457 |
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輔導海外的橋台商能夠具備跨國的經驗與社群人脈的網絡本會持續的扮演這種內外溝通的角色以及合作的平台除此之外我們也積極的推動在地的台灣企業與 |
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2352.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
2371.529 |
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海外的台商能夠進行各種的合作交流除了透過強化商業媒合專案合作資源共享等等的相關措施來因應對等關稅的挑戰與市場的分散那麼未來我們也會積極的來協助從國內赴海外 |
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2372.629 |
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2388.897 |
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的投資台商那進一步得到他們需要的一些資源包括近期有這個徵才的活動我們在海外的台商也積極的協助這些赴美投資的大廠能夠在徵才上面得到更多的這個人脈的網絡跟挹注 |
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2391.735 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
2396.317 |
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第五 構築僑界社會防衛韌性、穩定僑社的發展面對當前各種統戰滲透與複合式的挑戰本會積極協助僑界強化自我的防衛能量透過研討會、培訓課程增進訊息辨識的能力與凝聚力讓僑界可獲取可靠的資訊 |
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2415.715 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
2437.787 |
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橋台商面遍佈全球六大洲為了讓全球的台商優勢能夠充分發揮建構風險分散的非紅供應鏈已經是全球的共識在台灣的優勢與橋界在主流社會的發展上面如何的強化擴大有我的力量同時能夠扎根 |
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2438.567 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
2455.722 |
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建構跨國互助的能量 讓具有自我防衛與自我強化的安全網絡能夠更進一步的建構起來是我們最重要的發展動力之一其次 針對近一年來推動的相關成果跟委員報告 |
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2457.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2469.874 |
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今年度最大的盛事當然就是首推十月份的這個全橋回國參加慶典活動那麼今年有3937名將近4000名的僑胞參與那麼我們也結合了35家的旅行業者開出174條的旅遊路線那麼有32家的愛喬卡特約商店855個門市都提供了相關的優惠活動 |
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2483.599 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
2496.833 |
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那麼今年並提供僑胞在國內旅遊3000元的補助那麼在花東的路線特別提高到4000元的旅遊補助希望能夠活絡國內的經濟相關旅遊的狀況那由於這一項還在進行當中所以相關的旅遊統計的名額要在12月底才能夠統一做彙整 |
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2506.482 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
2526.922 |
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那麼除此之外呢剛剛在10月下旬也在圓山大飯店舉辦了我們一年一度的僑務委員會議今年共有177名僑務委員及列席代表參加今年的主題是以建構全社會任性的政策方向來作為我們的討論主軸那麼並且邀請了內政部的馬政次 |
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2528.643 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
2540.268 |
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做專題演講那麼透過雙十國慶的連結以及僑務委員會議的政策研討大量的凝聚了我們全僑共同共足台灣安全與發展的一個基礎 |
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2542.182 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
2565.457 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
第二近年近一年來我們在全球的台灣日拓展上面受到國際高度的關注那麼本會與海外橋界攜手推動的台灣日系列活動是結合體育賽事文化節慶夜市展演文化團美食巡迴講座等等多元的形式來呈現相關的文化特色那麼今年100民國114年在全美 |
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2569.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
2583.714 |
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就有21場以美國的職棒大聯盟MLB以及美國的NBA大型賽事為核心的台灣日活動那麼總共也吸引了超過2萬人次以上的僑胞參與現場的觀眾有相近60萬人次可以說是 |
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2589.399 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2612.073 |
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這個本小利多一個非常能夠吸引年輕人的活動方式那麼其中呢今年首度突破20年來的努力也就是在今年9月10號與美國的紐約Yankee隊首次舉辦了台灣日這個是Yankee隊在首次有其他墨西哥義大利日之外我們總算能夠爭取到以台灣日這樣的型態來演出參與 |
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2616.135 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2644.473 |
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那麼除此之外在亞太區在中南美歐洲其他各地區也有非常多的僑社紛紛的在舉辦台灣夜市台灣夜市或者文化交流廚藝講座等多元文化的這種方式第三大項呢是擴大我們台灣華語文學習中心的營運來深化華語文教育的品牌影響力本會自2020年底開始推動海外華語文深耕計畫以來 |
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2645.814 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2663.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
那麼至今呢已經設立88所台灣華語文學習中心其中68所在美國歐洲13個國家共有20所並且發展出各種多元的模式例如我們在舊金山與Google合作開設了華語科技專班促成與工業電腦大廠的Powerwell合作也是為他們的員工開設華語班更有與這個當地的 |
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2673.908 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2690.811 |
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Local的政府包括公立圖書館等等來開設這個華語班的模式推廣各項的這個主流社會對於台灣華語文的一個學習興趣那麼在教材方面我們這套新的 |
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2691.892 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2719.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
针对国际人士所设计的来学华语所出版的这个版本包含有欧洲语系七个以及亚洲语系三个目前已经有十个语版那么明年会继续扩大到日本加拿大澳洲纽西兰希望能够更进一步有全球性的布局那么这些版本我们也持续分享给教育部等单位一起来共同使用这些教学的资源 |
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2721.718 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2745.886 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
第四項協服我們橋台商穩健的營運挑戰因應的對等關稅本會透過我們預算基金的挹注我們今年度的這個海外信保基金繼續在我們努力與公民銀行庫遊說之下那麼這個捐款今年度再度有新的捐款進來那麼因此我們也 |
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2746.386 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2772.991 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
對等編列了公務預算希望能夠挹注我們海外信保基金的這個水位擴大讓我們從原本的200萬美金的受信額度提高為300萬美金的受信額度以因應對等關稅在未來各個新的投資方案能夠有足夠的資金來因應同時也為了今年對等關稅所造成的一些橋台商 |
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2775.471 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2800.272 |
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營業的影響那麼我們推出了一個對等關稅專案貸款計劃那麼這個保證計劃呢是指對因為美國的對等關稅影響而導致營收下滑10%者那麼就可以申請最高30萬美金的貸款那麼保證成數高達九成而且期間最長到六年這其中三年由本會來補貼 |
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2801.993 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2809.916 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
手續費以及長達半年的利息幫助我們的僑財商度過今年的挑戰因應他們能夠繼續發展的腳步第五 繼續精進各項產學專班的品質提升僑生的培育成效本會配合政府投資人才政策從112年到150年至今的中長成績計畫 |
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2830.085 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2843.053 |
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即是這個個案計畫是擴大培育及留用僑生那麼發展具有產學合作特色的專班從去今年我們招生的額數入學達到5832人 |
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2847.656 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2866.351 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
錄取5832人那麼入學的人數有5460人這個就學率可以說是非常的高到九成五 九成六這樣的一個入學的人數那麼海青班的部分共錄取1630人那麼入學的人數也有高達1376人 |
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2872.276 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
2885.525 |
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那麼我們做逐年提高學生的這個入學率以就讀率還有畢業率這都是我們積極努力的目標那麼除此之外呢我們也擴大辦理僑生就業博覽會從兩年前開始在台北舉辦去年擴大為高雄及台北今年更在北中南三個都會區辦理三場的這個就業博覽會每一場次都吸引了超過80家的企業 |
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2902.276 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
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參加博覽會的面試相關的介紹活動吸引了共有10669人次的參與那麼履歷的投遞高達4045次這是指博覽會當天所以總共三天累積的數字然後我們持續的有半年叫做喬生愛就業的網路平台至今還是在 |
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持續的幫學生以及企業來做進行媒合希望能夠提供已經畢業的僑生有更好的這個就業的相關資訊將他們能夠所學留在台灣運用發展在台灣 |
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其次最後一項要跟各位報告就是Move to Next Generation布局世代的傳承那麼從民國100年開辦了FASCA這個青年文化大使以來呢從美國到加拿大那麼進一步擴展到亞洲 曼谷 |
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菲律賓、澳洲、紐西蘭今年我們也首度拓展到巴西至今已經培育了近5萬人今年新招的學生就總共連巴西在內共有891名的新學員 |
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其次我們在剛剛舉辦的這個全球僑界青年的交流論壇邀請了將近80位79位的新生代的年輕世代很多都是第二代甚至第三代的年輕朋友反台參加相關的論壇活動 |
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普遍得到非常大的迴響他們非常希望這個活動能夠繼續的擴大辦理那也促成了六大洲的年輕朋友有一個很好的交流平台那麼除此之外今年我們在搭橋計劃的部分總共錄取83人分7條路線在分別有美國澳洲 |
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曼谷及菲律賓四個國家七條路線讓台灣的這個大學生能夠參加各項的這個海內外的交流計畫那麼針對高中生的部分呢今年有56個 |
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56所的高中共64位的高中生參與了我們的橋屋探索營那這也是增多周少的局面因為報名的人數多但是我們能夠有的這個元額數就是雖然逐年有在擴增但是基於預算的因素我們只能緩慢的增加也希望未來我們可以持續的擴大辦理 |
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第五今年特別舉辦了這個海外十大傑出青年的選拔這是每兩年一次的這個十大傑出青年選拔那麼今年呢是第六屆共計有九個國家十位年輕人獲得了傑出青年的一個表揚那麼第六項呢是辦理第四屆的全球青商潛力之星表揚了十位傑出的青商來自 |
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總共有13個國家21個地區的29個青商來甄選參加活動那麼這項青商潛力刺青也促成了很多青商朋友一個非常好的交流平台最後一項是針對 |
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如何建置海外的聯繫平台來分享及時的資訊本會持續在6加1的平台官網上面來整合跨部會的資源傳遞政府的重大政策相關的發展現況以及形象 |
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傳遞那麼其中我們的即時新聞澄清專區呢並且連結行政院等跨部會希望能夠提供及時的訊息來進行內容的澄清有效的防堵假訊息並且透過各個駐地的社群媒體來進行擴散讓僑胞能夠及時的掌握正確的訊息另外今年也特別辦理了海外華文媒體報導大獎 |
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特別新增了一個叫做短影音的獎項Yes Taiwan吸引更多不同年齡層的新聞工作者來參與那麼透過入圍者的邀訪團來加強各項的交流鼓勵僑胞在國際舞台上為台灣發聲 |
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展望未來 本會會持續推動Move to Next Generation 向下一代的發展計畫來厚植青年的傳承動能並且將全社會防衛任性的理念延伸至海外橋界來構築堅實的國際支持網絡並且與各界並肩讓Team Taiwan能夠在國際舞台上發揮更大的影響力以上報告 請各位委員不吝指教感謝聆聽 謝謝 |
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謝謝委員長請回我們現在開始進行詢答本會委員今天時間6加2分鐘非本會委員4分鐘10點半的時候截止發言登記如果各位委員有臨時提案請在10點半前提出我們11點左右是會議狀況來處理首先請羅美玲委員進行詢答 |
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謝謝主席 有請徐委員長來 委員長請羅委員早安委員長早安委員長剛剛在報告的時候有提到就是說僑委會協助美國跟歐洲設置了總共88所的台灣華語文學中心尤其在美國我們這個TCML的發展是非常值得肯定的 |
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那例如我們跟Google合作 開設了華語科技專班進而跟當地的工業電腦大廠Portwell有合作開設了華語版 所以這是非常好的成果那剛剛委員長有提到在教材的部分我們有出版的 |
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英文 法文 德文 西班牙文 波蘭文還有印尼文跟越南文如果說英法德 西班牙 波蘭等這個語言我們可以理解因為我們現在都是佈局在歐美可是我們現在有印尼文跟越南文這是不是我們在為未來的佈局來做準備請問委員長為什麼會有印尼文跟越南文 |
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跟委員報告因為近年來其實我們有很多的僑生過去是以馬來西亞跟新馬來西亞跟香港澳門的學生為多但最近這十年來已經是越南跟印尼的學生數遠遠超過了這個馬來西亞跟香港 |
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因應著這個局勢的變化我們也需要能夠協助越南或印尼的僑生在華語能力的提升上面因此我們就超前部署開發了印尼就是馬來文版跟越南文版事實上明年因為我們馬上就是日本也會有新的兩所華語文學習中心要開設所以明年會再增加日文版的 |
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那麼澳洲、紐西蘭、加拿大基本上還都是用英文版就可以支應那歐洲語版因為它歐洲語系二三十個國家所以我們為了配合才做這樣子的推廣那未來在亞洲呢我們也是有可能會進一步的來做這相關的拓展因為我們不單單只有針對僑生我們希望的是能夠進一步向下扎根讓各個國際人士呢只要有興趣他可能將來要跟台灣 |
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做各種的商業或者是投資的連結或者是他們的工程師需要進行外派或管理人員有需求要進行調動那麼我們開設這些華語文學習中心就可以大量的幫助他們快速第一個掌握華語的使用 |
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第二個也能夠了解我們的文化發展的一個方向那這個是我們在這幾年華語文學習中心設立當中得到一個非常好重要的經驗那事實上也剛好呼應這個外交部的總和外交計畫早在三年前我們在歐洲就首先在推動這個概念是先輔導 |
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我們國內的廠商去海外投資的時候那他們在當地聘僱的員工由於在溝通上事實上都歐洲語系因為各個不一樣大家只會用英文溝通事實上相對也困難所以後來我們設了華語文中心就派我們的師資呢進到他們的各廠去開設專班幫他們的員工上課那這個都提供了我們這些住去海外投資的廠商一個不同面向的服務很多廠商也非常感謝 |
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現在政府有這樣一個新的發展OK 真的是要肯定喬爾會要肯定委員長因為我記得像之前的時候我們也曾經討論過相關的議題那時候我也跟委員長有建議就是說其實我們有很多來自東南亞 越南跟印尼的這個僑生 僑外生所以也希望就是說我們把這個點能夠擴展到當地那委員長我想這個部分我想 |
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委員長這邊一直都有來做這個推動所以我今天看到報告裡面有提到說有印尼文有越南文我想是不是這也是一個我們要去設置這個華語文中心的一個事先的一個佈局那當然除了剛剛委員長所提到的像這個澳洲我們有看到就是說其實 |
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TCML我們的設置計畫最主要的契機還是說因為歐美國家他陸續對中國的孔子學院提出了一些疑慮嘛所以我們他們在陸陸續續都關閉了一些孔子學院跟孔子學院終止了這個合作那像美國他本來有一百多所那現在減到可能就各位 |
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那再來剛剛還有就是委員長所提到的這個澳洲那我們也知道說最近其實澳洲也關閉了六所大學的這個孔子學院所以像墨爾本大學昆斯蘭大學這個西澳大學等等他們都把孔子學院給關閉了我在想這也是我們華語文中心進駐一個很好的一個一個一個契機那我不曉得說就是喬爾惠這邊 |
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澳洲是不是未來我們可能要首先要去部署的一個點像這個日本也是像日本的話之前也打算要加強對中國的這個所設置的孔子學院做這個審查那甚至南韓的國情院他對境內的孔子學院其實也進行調查當中像這些國家慢慢的對孔子學院的這個角色 |
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其實產生了很大的疑慮像其實這個部分其實都是我們華語文中心進去的一個很好的一個時間點所以我不曉得就是說巧合會這部分未來的部署有沒有比較詳細的一些計畫 |
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跟委員報告我們第一期的這個中長程期計劃是從2020年底12月跟美國簽訂的這個台美教育倡議開始以後那我們第一期計劃呢事實上到今年2025年已經告一段落因此我們已經向國發會提出了下第二期的中長程期計劃就從2026年到2029年那這四年一期的計劃呢我們當然是希望持續的拓展 |
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那過去這四年當中雖然在疫情期間我們仍然沒有停滯在美國跟歐洲的腳步那因此接下來下面第二期大的這個計畫我們是希望向全球所以我們會更布局在亞太區中南美洲也都會持續的來設立華語文學習中心那麼我剛剛有特別口頭說明的時候提到明年開始日本會有兩所澳洲會有四所 |
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那分別就是剛剛委員你關心的我們在西澳就是西澳目前沒有但是在墨爾本在雪梨在布里斯本都有一所一所到兩所的這個佈局那因此呢這個是我們 |
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知道澳洲的這個人口比較集中的這個大都會區我們已經都布局了Morbon好像是一所對不對雪梨有兩所然後這個布里斯本有一所那同時我們也在紐西蘭今年也有一所 |
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奧克蘭所以我們已經都開始超前這個做一些作業那麼明年度開始呢他們就會陸續開始啟動這個營運計畫那麼加拿大也有三所分別在東岸及西岸都 |
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兩個大都會溫哥華以及多倫多那這些都是我們在這幾年密切的看到台灣由於經濟科技的蓬勃發展那有非常多的這個國際的廠商或者國際人士 |
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想要來台灣促進商機因此他們學習華語的動機就變強了倒不純然跟孔子學院有什麼關係我們也沒有要跟他們競爭因為大家的發展方向是完全不同的他只是在做政治性的宣傳對我們來說我們是希望能夠善盡國際社會的意願讓台灣的文化也能夠讓更多的國際社會認識所以我們的華語文學習中心有兩個重點一個就是語言的學習第二個就是文化的交流 |
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那所以透過我們的華語文中心的設置我們希望能夠達到這樣的一個好的方向 謝謝OK 好 非常肯定我們橋友會在這方面的這個努力因為這是我第二次呢執行我們橋友會這個華語文中心學習的這個進展那這次呢真的看到報告裡面其實有很多讓我們覺得非常肯定的地方所以橋友會繼續加油 謝謝謝謝羅委員好 謝謝羅委員 委員長請回接下來經營訓導委員林楚英委員 |
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謝謝主席 主席有請委員長來 委員長請林委員早安好 委員長早 辛苦了我想其實除了大概在立法院詢答你多數的時間都在奔波所以跟我們這些橋界台商們的關係是非常好的所以我想詢問一下就是我們先從這個普發現金來聊起好了因為我們知道這個普發現金我們有很多的台商或是橋界的好朋友 |
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他們是不是有資格請領目前這個僑委會有沒有做一些了解目前我們海外的台商當中大家目前請領的狀況如何所以我想先就這個部分借用這個機會因為我知道很多台僑好朋友也都會看我們的這些詢答的內容因為我特別針對是不是可以領一萬的部分有上了這個僑委會的網站應該說是臉書啦其實底下 |
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是有一些好朋友們在詢問的那他們的問題其實多數我稍微大概整理了一下比如說他們可能是現在有戶籍但是被除籍了要除戶了那麼來不及回來申請那麼有一些是說他們是 |
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儲戶之後恢復了有沒有時間的限制然後有一些人是說他如果現在目前沒有國內的銀行但是又無法領現等等其實他們的狀況會跟我們國內不太一樣因為國內比較 |
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多的會是年長者他可能有所謂的數位落差所以說他在登記的部分會比較麻煩可能需要長輩那麼所以說像一些里長啊或是像我們民進黨的民意代表也都有在自己的服務處就張貼說你可以來這裡我可以協助你可是對於海外的這些台橋朋友的部分的話那麼 |
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他們的這一些請領資格的疑問是不是可以藉這個機會我們委員長也稍微講一下那麼你們手上有沒有一些什麼樣的掌握那麼有沒有一些提供給他們的特別服務或者是設立一個專區在這個你們的網站上面讓他們來了解 |
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謝謝林委員的這個提問我們確實在11月6號的時候也先在臉書做了第一個這個有關於普發薪金的宣傳那接下來我們確實也會有一個在網站的專區來 |
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做各種Q&A那事實上就目前為止我所了解的海外僑民都非常可愛他們說這一萬塊現金呢應該是有在台灣繳稅的人來領就好了所以絕大多數的僑民說他們並沒有想要領這個就是說有資格領的人也沒有特別說想要來領但是真的想要來領的我們也有去思考他們要怎麼作業 |
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那麼第一個就是說他們只要在國內任何的銀行或者是郵政劃波有這個帳戶的他們都可以尋這個在網路登記的方式就可以合撥這1萬那如果沒有的話他的直系親屬事實上也是可以幫他做帶領的 |
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但是就是說這個帶領的過程他就是要具備有身分證相關證件的資料才能夠幫他做現金的帶領的模式這個是根據目前財政部規劃的方向裡面都有的一些模式所以我們比較擔心的反而是說因為詐騙案件很多所以我們避免說有些登錄的時候有些錯誤的訊息 |
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誤導他們還沒有領到一萬卻被先詐騙了十萬所以這方面我們現在反而是重點在這個地方反詐的宣傳反詐的宣傳我們就持續的在做那至於駐外的公務人員或者是分別派駐到海外的這些公務人員的眷屬那他們呢政府會主動撥到他們的戶頭所以他們不用做任何特別的動作那至於僑胞的部分就是我剛剛所說的 |
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他們事實上如果想要請領就是剛剛那兩項的方向都是可以運作第一個就是在網路上先去登錄然後匯到他們的戶頭第二個就是說請他們在國內的這個直系血親來幫他們進行這個帶領的作業那這兩項我想如果都還有困難的話我們會再進一步跟財政部來了解看看還有沒有其他的方式可以解決 |
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好 所以顯然這個對於服務僑民這個方向真的是方方面面非常多但是大家的關注的點可能還會是資格的部分不過因為像你們已經寫得很清楚了就是只要是國內有戶籍的國民以及有居留許可但是沒有戶籍也可以那之前因為可能COVID-19的期間就是武漢肺炎沒有辦法回來的只要恢復了戶籍是不是也就可以來申請勤領這一萬元 |
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確實是這個現在就是我相信這個請領因為到明年2026年的年中那所以我如果判斷沒有錯的話明年二月的農曆年節前後會有非常多的僑胞就會回來所以這段時間他們也可以親自回來再領就好了 |
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所以也不用那麼急於說趕在第一波當然第一波已經有非常多人已經作業了但是國際的這個因為跨國界的這個登錄上面我們還是要注意安全為優所以我們會持續的來宣導就是讓海外僑胞只要具有資格者我們都希望他們的權利不要受到 |
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影響讓他們都可以公平的領到那但是我們也聽到很多僑民真的很可愛他們說我們不會去領你們宣傳你們的這個錢應當是交留給台灣的人來領就好了所以說這個他們這個台僑朋友僑民朋友愛台灣的心真的是很可愛也透過委員長我們了解到這些海外僑民朋友對於台灣這個在國內的好朋友以及在海外的朋友的想法 |
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好 另外一個其實我要關注的問題是我們都知道這個亞洲台商聯合總會的第33屆的第二次禮敬式會議12月8號會在新加坡舉行那麼其實在2024年的時候在越南舉行的這個所謂台商會的活動當時就受到中國的打壓所以很可惜不只是委員長不能到連我們的立法院的副院長江啟臣副院長也沒辦法去 |
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那麼我們知道就是最近10月25號新加坡的總理才跟這個中共的這個李強才剛見過面所以呢他也特別發表了就是所謂的一中原則以及新加坡堅持所謂反台獨的這個部分 |
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那麼中國的長臂管轄的這個所謂威嚇其實現在目前是再升級的不知道目前委員長有沒有特別去了解現在亞洲台商聯合總會這一次12月在新加坡辦的活動中國的狀況如何然後您覺得您去得成嗎根據我目前的了解這個 |
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因為新加坡事實上是免簽國我們可以直接就是如果私人身份當然隨時可以進出但是因為我們是以公務行程所以我們總是要取得這個我們出訪國家的這一個不只是默契而且要有官方的一個這個同意那不滿委員說確實我們近期已經有去跟新加坡代表處去接洽了 |
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那得到的訊息不是太樂觀那麼這也跟新加坡一貫的立場有主要的關係目前為止是新加坡認為說這個他們對於 |
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本會 因為他說新加坡是一個以華裔為以名的主要國家所以他認為本會去對他們有一些影響會影響他們的僑民的認知所以他是以這個理由來拒絕僑委會的任何官員不只是委員長而已是任何官員都不能出訪 |
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好 那麼其實本席還要端著當然這可能跟僑委會不一定有關但是過去以往包括像王定宇 昭緯也曾經有來辦過所謂的這個海外的考察來出席這樣的一個活動那麼我們知道沈伯洋委員也是我們國防外交的委員那麼包括就是中國在這一次當中如果 |
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他有所謂長臂管轄甚至於新加坡是跟中國有簽所謂的引渡相關的協定的那麼像這樣的部分包括僑委會以及相關的單位我都希望說還是要密切的關注跟委員報告其實我們都有在關注各國的發展局勢所以也都提醒了僑民說過境或者是轉機甚至在哪些地方哪些國家都要高度的注意尤其是我們的榮譽職人員怕避免被標示或者是他被列為所謂的這個 |
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長臂管轄範圍的狀況之下會受到中國的一些干擾跟風險因此這部分我們都要高度提醒好 謝謝謝謝委員新加坡不在警示範圍內吧 |
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未來可能也要警示了要警示確定這個是大事情這個就要請新加坡的這個代表要就目前為止新加坡不在警示範圍內目前沒有如果委員長預測未來可能列入警示範圍內後面會把他變頭條我跟你講那個是大事不是小事好請回來接下來進行訓導委員徐曉欣委員 |
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謝謝主席 我們請徐家欣委員長來 委員長請徐委員早安欸 我很好奇喔 先追問一下為什麼您覺得新加坡接下來可能會被列入警視啊欸 倒不是說一般人都會被列入警視啦是 特定人士會被列入警視比方說 省委員可能會有風險 |
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所以他之後就不能去新加坡 是這個意思我問一下我們在2015年的時候其實那時候的立法委員鄭麗君也是現在的副院長她就有批評過教育部長吳思華理由是因為吳思華部長那時候她用公務機票出訪德國在這個行程結束之後還另外加了三天的個人假期 |
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那鄭麗芸委員她就說呢公務機票不應該拿來私人旅遊公司應該分明我想問一下這個委員長你對於公務出差之後然後在家請假的這樣子的一個做法的態度您覺得是就是說過去鄭麗文立委現在的副院長她對於吳思華的批評你覺得是合理的嗎 |
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對於這個個案內容我並不是很了解但是就他的個案就是說因為教育部我了解教育部因為他並不是涉外單位說他每一個行程跟每一個行程中間都一直接連不斷的 |
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那這跟外交部或僑委會狀況不一樣我們可能從這一點到這一點中間的活動可能會有一兩天的落差那所以說要連續起來所以本會過去幾十年的慣例就是可以比如說A活動然後跟B活動中間然後你可能用請假的方式是為了A活動要去參加B活動所以才請假的 是的是這個意思 |
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可是對方他的公務行程之後多了三天的請假也不一定他是私人旅遊所以我覺得當初這個說法所以我說我不知道他的個案是怎麼情況根據8月底的休假資料我想要請問一下您在8月13號到8月20號的這段休假時間您人是在台灣嗎 |
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我休假時間不在台灣跟委員報告事實上我是出國而且出國的機票是我自己買的而且因為這樣子我知道下一個點我第一個出差出訪的點是什麼我就特別買去那個點幫國家省了一筆錢21號到9月15號再一次因公出國在這次出國裡面你也是自己付費還是就是用公務機票那一趟就是已經在當地國 |
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然後當地國我們所以之後又跑了很多國啊所以每一國的機票就變成公務機票啦OK所以後續是公務機票通常是公務了我想要請教一下就是說您在這個休假之後接著公務出國那前面的這個頭的部分您說您是我自己自費買的對但是委的部分是嗎跟委員報告齁 |
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委員這個這樣子過去僑委會歷任不管委員長或副委員長通通是一樣的模式就是說其實我們反而是因為不想浪費公帑因為他A活動到B活動之間如果只有兩天左右的空檔他如果來回飛我們耗掉的這個交通費會更高我就問的是說您去的時候啊我自己買機票自己買的機票嘛對但你去B點的時候那個機票就是公務機票開始是公務了對 |
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那所以其實實際上面呢還是有一段的行程沒有委員我先到的第一點就在那個地方沒有機票所以那一段是我全部自己出的對啊我幫公務出了委員事實上我本來就要飛去那個點那我先飛去那個點我還用自己的錢來買所以我為了不想讓 |
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有些不懂得同仁亂講所以我還特別交代同仁說如果我一開始是請休假的部分我就全部都自費這已經不是第一次了我好幾次都是這樣我願意以師濟公飛機的這個票是在8月13嘛但是你8月20到8月21的部分的這個機票也是你自己出的嗎那個就在當地啦已經是在當地啦所以後續就是等到9月15號再飛回來對 沒錯那我們接下來看一下 |
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委員跟您報告我很感謝您特別詢問這個問題事實上過去這幾年我在僑委會先不講副委員長的任內在單單是委員長這不到三年當中呢本人因公出國35次總共是378天那麼我總共只有休假核准的時間只有11天也就是說如果我在這裡面這個 |
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沒有請補休假我每一年要貢獻給國家的天數可能都有七八三個月左右的天數要送給國家事情是這樣的累積你的任期大概有四分之一的時間都在國外嗎超過那這個只統計到你這個擔任委員長的時間還不包括副委員長的時候 |
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那我們可以看一下就是說您出國的時間基本上是比兩任的外交部長加起來還要多很多但是請假不是問題同樣的資料您在任內是請假了34次然後一共是47天 |
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那但是呢你看喔112年5月26號到7月1號113年6月20號到7月15號113年11月10號到11月25號114年的4月13號到5月5號那這個分別跟您的請假紀錄的重疊分別是三天七天兩天跟一天請問這些都是您剛剛所說的您都是自費買機票嗎這四次都是這樣子剛剛那次是一樣的嗎 |
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對 我要跟您說明一下對 確定喔對 就是A點到B點我們是基於A點到B點然後 老實講 而且我不想誤領或者是特別去領在公務機要那個出差費 |
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所以我都是如實的做說沒關係那我就用我的請休假來代替那幾天我自己出生活費的方式是停留在當地喔我問的是說你這個112年這個中間重複就是你跟他休假重疊的這個部分嗎那你的這個休假就說你委員那天只有停一天休假而已是週末喔哪一天112年的這一個 |
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對5月26號嘛到7月1號的時候三天的休假對啊你請了三天的休假我剛剛說錯了嗎沒有沒有三天的休假對啊所以你剛剛說我這個什麼意思啊我沒講錯嘛三天嘛對不對好三天就三天了我的意思是說所以您剛剛講說那是因為他很遠喔在北美洲到台灣如果我這三天飛回來再飛過去那等於就是 |
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妳裡面有六日的只有就是我剛剛講的那個道理啊6月26號到7月2號裡面有重疊到六日其他的都沒有那七天碰到六日的話其實還中間還有五天所以我想要我六日通通沒有休假全部都還是在跑行程我不管嘛但妳請了假就是請了假嘛我們從上面那都是我應該可以請的請休假對 |
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都是合法的請休假我沒有說你不能請假我什麼時候會這樣講的我剛剛的問題是說您在這四次 112 113 113 114次的這個中間有重疊請假的這個部分的機票那也是像您剛剛所說的是由您自己來付費的嗎 |
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委員我剛剛已經解釋過了齁我剛剛一開始就請休假所以我說那一段機票我自己買就不要用公務機票但是如果是前端我已經飛到哪裡去了我就地停留 |
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那就沒有機票的問題啦就立庭留在那裡就沒有機票的問題就沒有機票的問題啦那我們可以看一下齁那過去呢也有您在擔任台北市議員的時候那開記者會去質詢這個勞工局長蘇瑩貴那時候你指控他就是呢9月補修扶爛我都很記得對 |
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9月赴美考察橫跨兩個週休10月把這個週休的工價拿出來補休你認為這是所謂的補休氾濫跟制度錯亂但是補休一樣是人家合理的可以請假的假期但你卻認為當時的你卻認為如果在考察中間委員不一樣他是去考察我是去執行公務他那段行程結束就沒有了就全部是私人的了我是因為兩段中間 |
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妳去 本來妳去執行公務還是妳自己因為妳是請假的狀態所以我沒有辦法去核實說妳是不是都在執行公務啊因為妳都已經請假啦我所有的公務當然都有同仁跟著當然都要寫報告這些東西都是已經公告上網的妳是不是其實還有去做很多私人的事情 |
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我做我私人事情只有在我請休假的時間我才能做所以我講說你請休假的時候你也有在做你私人的事情所以我沒有用公務預算啊這樣有什麼問題嗎你這機票就從頭到尾的時候你中間這段請假的時候你就是有去做公務的事情委員你聽不懂我的意思嗎如果我飛回來再飛過去同樣一個地方那我是不是要多兩張公務機票到底我在幫國家 |
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省錢 還是我在幫國家花更多錢你把你自己個人的休假在國外我告訴你 過去的做法我跟你們聽我說嗎我根本不是這樣不要以小人之心度 君子之腹本人都不是這樣做的你知道有多少人檢舉你這個事情嗎我不知道那些人到底腦袋有沒有搞清楚第一 如果我一開始是請休假的我就是自己自付 機票 |
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如果我是公務行程出去中間因為A到B我需要銜接所以我都會就地停留我就地停留的時候哪有衍生機票的問題我還是在執行公務啊那幾天過去的委員長做法可能他就排一天一個行程然後就繼續領公務費用然後就過了我是不願意這樣做所以我才跟同仁說我不要這樣搞我就是要清清楚楚 |
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這三天不是什麼大型活動要做了我不要為了說度過這三天然後就各排一個活動然後請你那個費用我說我願意自己出錢那三天住在那裡我自己付旅館費用所以你那個請假的那幾天你的旅館費用都是自己付的當然是啊委員當然都是我自己出的錢耶 |
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所以你覺得我這樣子是很不合理嗎我很合理好嗎我們了解一下因為您被檢舉了因為你剛剛說的那個小人之心我不能接受而且這個檢舉都是烏龍檢舉我都知道是誰檢舉的同一個人老是搞不清楚狀況很多都是我們在當地的僑胞有一些是我自己認識的朋友 |
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他們就搞不清楚狀況說我們現在是怎麼狀況啊喬包也不會知道我們是什麼狀況啊他也不知道我下一個點去哪裡因為我不會告訴他我下一個點要去哪裡因為這是秘密所以我還是再提醒一下好不好因為這個事情在我這邊受到檢舉委員 本人不到三年的時間呢我請休假的我總共累積了200多天的假期228天我總共呢 休不到80天委員 你滿意嗎 |
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哇 很好啊 你就繼續這樣我本來是童子薰的心情不想講這些話的 |
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你逼我講出來了那很好啊讓你有一個澄清的機會啊謝謝但是不要小人之心我從來不這樣做的本人就是願意以私濟公好嗎以私濟公好但是呢我也要強調你們自己在做僑委會這個工作的時候也有非常多的真的非常多我就是知道以前有些狀況發生所以在我開始我就全部併結說不可以這樣做對如果不是這麼多人來檢舉的話我今天不會問這個問題 |
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那我也不想把事情跟細節講得太難聽是因為裡面會涉及到一些你們個人的這個隱私的問題我都不怕檢視那在這個個人隱私上面來說你不怕檢視我還是要注意各自法的問題嘛所以既然有這麼多既然有這麼多的人檢舉是不是您也可以去了解一下說為什麼您做委員長到現在 |
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我想沒有很多人 你知道的就是那幾個而已沒有沒有沒有 我知道的人一定不是你說的人謝謝許委員好 謝謝許委員這個事情有釐清就好了可能要了解一下僑委會的業務特性他的工作就是在海外跑 |
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第二個可能非公務機關的人也分不清楚這個公務人員現在是請假或者是上班當中我覺得有釐清就好好 謝謝接下來進行尋找委員是葉原之委員是不是違反哪一條法律那你可以每天都不回家看自己老公啊我也沒有用機票啊 |
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好那個請尊重開會秩序來主席要慢慢請那個委員長好委員長請葉委員長安 |
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委員長早在我們的選區有一個華僑高中是應該非常熟是它比較特別的地方就是它是普通高中但它也有收僑生也有一班生對比較尷尬的是因為它是高中所以它就是歸教育部管對它就是歸教育部管國教署對 國教署但問題是其實它有大概學生裡面有三成是僑生對目前的人數是大概500多位對 |
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華僑高通是一個非常好的學校學生很優秀我上次他校慶的時候我去他們學校碰到很多校友從世界各地來還有本地的都對學校的那段教育的經驗很肯定他們現在比較尷尬的是我剛剛講的因為國教署是把他當作一般的高中他並沒有注意到他實際上還有大概三成僑生 |
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所以在人力的配置给的资源都是给一般的高中的资源但问题是那个我不知道委员长晓不晓得就是乔生他因为他们在台湾只有民意的监护人食衣住勤都在学校那还有适应的问题所以你如果用一般高中的那种人力配置给这个学校的话一定是不够的而且会压缩到比如说对于一般生的照顾的 |
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所以有幾件事情第一個在教學資源方面我希望喬爾委會可以協助老師的人力我們現在都在關心學校都出現行政大逃亡的狀況就是很多老師都不願意兼行政職因為行政工作太繁重而且行政價值也很低不只是沒有給老師尊重也沒有給應有的待遇 |
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那大家都不願意兼行政職那在華僑高中可能面臨的狀況就是他的行政業務一半以上都是跟僑生有關例如說要處理僑生的居留證等等要處理僑生的那個適應的問題那我不知道能不能僑友會能不能協助在這一塊你要嘛就是說跟國教署講就是說僑生有其特殊性希望他能夠給多的 |
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人力 不然的話就是直接由僑委會編預算讓這個華僑高中可以多一點人力不知道這可不可以跟委員報告我確實上個禮拜才邀請了我們華僑高中的許校長以及三位主任一起到我們僑委會來進行座談就是我們基於了解說近年來到華僑高中的這一些僑生 高中生的人數呢有略為增加的狀態 |
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那甚至那個校舍因為他們特別要住宿啊所以他們的空間不太夠因為我們時間很有限我這一次找教長來也是要跟他溝通這件事情要來協助他基本上就是說第一個我要先了解說他們目前的挑戰是哪些然後我們也協助去跟教育部進行這個相關的溝通委員長等一下我打岔一下因為你了解的狀況是因為他這一年的僑生暴增啊主要是因為緬甸僑生變多嘛 |
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因為緬甸他們國內的問題嘛很多人就趕快趁這個時候但是長期來說委員因為我們有很多高中跟我們合作等一下因為華僑高中其實它不是新的學校啦它幾十年以後所以你現在才開始找要來其實主要原因是因為緬甸僑生增加的問題並不是說真的有注意到學校的狀況 |
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那我現在是把學校的狀況跟妳講因為像我本人也是很關心就是不管是華僑高中也好一般高中也好比如說老師人力的問題那這個有關於老師人力的問題因為現在教育的狀況跟以前不一樣所以希望這個部分可以協助我們會跟教育局多教育部多要求第二個是輔導老師現在是15個班一個全國都一樣但是 |
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如果像華僑高中有僑生融入各班的狀況嘛那一定也會產生文化差異啊或各方面他輔導老師跟委員報告僑生他們會獨立的班他們沒有融入式的有融入就是融入有…沒有…你講的是國中啦高中有融入不是 他們是有兩種一種叫做語文班一種就是一般高中班我講的是一般高中班啊對啊 一般高中班啊我講的都是一般高中嘛就是有一班生的也有僑生的嘛 |
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那他可能也會有文化差異或各方面需要主導老師的量會比較多我的了解他們僑生還是在僑生班裡面並沒有合適沒有沒有沒有你再去了解一下有僑生班國中就是僑生班高中有農路對 |
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但重點應該是說不管他是龍路或喬森班他就是會有適應問題一定是比一般高中需求更大我懂委員的意思就是需要有更多的輔導的老師的資源配備我們現在有先提供學生的部分就是說課學金因為主席站起來我很快講一下就是您回去研究一下好的還有一個就是 |
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看能不能夠比照啦比如說像師大的那個僑生先修班它有一個專門的空間因為他們那個效力很大如果可以蓋一個比如說類似僑教大樓專門僑生然後學語文跟葉委員報告之前因為你之前的前一任的委員同樣的在這裡也跟我們問過同樣的問題所以我其實已經都知道這些相關的狀況了 |
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沒有做啊不是你不能說你知道狀況我們只能反映給教育部的國教署現在的問題就是說因為國教署他沒有沒有僑委會那麼了解僑生的狀況嘛他們是針對一般學生嘛所以我們現在都加強跟國教署在協商這些事情那如果國教署不願意的話那僑委會能不能夠提供資源因為畢竟他是僑生嘛我們願意在我們的預算裡面擴增一點來協助 |
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好不好 如果委員支持我們願意擴增一些我們當然支持啦好謝謝好謝謝委員各位請回蘇清泉委員蘇清泉委員蘇清泉委員不在吳思瑤委員吳思瑤委員吳思瑤委員不在接下來進行巡禮委員林益君委員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
謝謝主席有請徐委員長 |
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5588.438 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
林委員早安委員長早本席擔任立委將近兩年也與僑委會一起到國外參加僑台商的總會的會議了解我們這些其實海外辛苦打拼的台商他們是真的很辛苦所以今天本席想要針對僑委會如何協助海外僑台商的產業升級的發展的問題跟委員長就較 |
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5606.989 |
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5609.731 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
根據了解 僑委會為了協助海外橋台商企業的發展都會辦理經貿的培訓活動所以從109年開始僑委會就開始辦理了全球橋台商產業升級與技術服務的方案而且還主動邀集了國內14家研發的機構來協助全球的橋台商的產業升級和發展那我想請問一下委員長 |
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你可以簡單說明一下這些台商升級服務方案的主要的內容還有特色嗎還有怎麼樣的協助他們呢 |
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跟委員報告因為過去這個幾年當中疫情期間尤其是因為我們沒辦法做太多跨境的移動當時我們因此從前委員長就想到說要不要運用台灣的這些產學研的這個資訊來提供給海外的台商讓他們能夠增加 |
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比方說產品的這個研發提升或者是他們的品牌的塑造等等這一方面的專業領域的協助那麼因此呢這個我們沒有額外再增加任何的預算經費就直接是跟國內的一些產學研的機構呢來請託說我們可不可以做一個平台來媒合大家比方說我們台灣的公研院來說就是一個輔導各種 |
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工業、科技、產業最大的一個重鎮嘛那所以他們有非常多很好的研發的一些成果那我們就是介紹我們的這些橋台商讓他們去認識這個平台那麼他們如果有個案要委託給他們的時候這些產學研的單位呢都跟我們有簽一個MOU就是說諮詢階段不收費但是如果要個案委託那就去個案個別評估 |
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那所以在這個當中呢橋尾會沒有衍生額外的預算只是說如果橋台商比方說他今天他的產業裡面他這一項產品他比方是做紡織的那他現在這個紡織業他有很多新的技術一直在提升他是想要拿到這些新的技術的話那他就要去跟他們簽約簽約以後就要付費 |
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這個是做這樣子的一個媒合的平台角色而已那我再問一下就是說剛才委員長有說到就是說他們可以簽署一些合作的備忘錄那這樣的話我其實說看了這些就是從109年到114年的7月底就是到7月底的時候協輔的合作研發的機構還有台商組織 |
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簽署的合作備忘錄其實數量整個從109年到現在其實才有23件然後今年的114年其實到現在都已經11月了竟然連一件都沒有簽署那成果就是等於是零所以請問一下委員長在一年過去的請問目前有沒有任何最新的具體的實質上面的進展呢 |
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為什麼這個經銷會怎麼那麼慘 原因到底是什麼還有沒有什麼未來的可以精進作為來解決呢好跟委員說明就是為什麼今年都沒有是因為他們之前都簽完了意思就是說前面這23件都是以國家別或洲際別 比方說用 |
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亞總亞洲台商總會或者世界台商總會或者泰國台商總會都是以這種組織形態的方式去跟這個產學研的單位去簽這個約但是他們的member他們的會員如果個案要委託那是他們私下的另外有他們自己的合作契約那個部分是要付錢的那備忘錄是不用付錢的 |
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只只單單是在諮詢的作用而已那所以個案型的簽約的部分有多少件事實上我們因為產學研單位很多那我們也曾經跟他們詢問他們說有些個資資料他們不能提供是基於這樣所以我們沒有去統計這個資料出來是由於他們要保護他們的這個委託業者所以有些業者願意自己說的我們就會知道 |
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那有些業者如果不願意透露那他跟這個工研院啊或者跟這個農研院啊或者跟經研院啊等等這些不同的單位去簽合約的時候我不一定會可以掌握到這個資訊因為我們現在看了114年的話是那因為我們大部分能夠有興趣去簽的這個州總會跟國的總會差不多已經都簽完了啦 |
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所以就不會再有了嗎等於是115年之後除非我們再開發一些新的研發單位對他們的產業是有幫助的那可能就會有機會所以未來會往這方面努力嗎我們還會我們會因為台灣是一個講求創新研發的一個這樣的國度所以我們也會鼓勵我們橋台商說大家尤其現在這個對等關稅發生以後 |
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那你的產業鏈重組過程當中事實上你要經營的市場如果是比較高端的那你一定要提升你要提升你就需要這些新的一些研發的這個機制的單位那我再問一下還有另外的時間 |
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已經不多了再問一下就是僑委會在105年度的時候是不是有配合當年蔡政府積極推行的新南向政策的計畫僑委會在那一年的時候也規劃了一個財團法人海外信用保證基金配合新南向政策的增資的計畫但是本席根據僑委會海外信用的保證基金提供給本院的預算中心的資料有發現 |
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最近的6年來109年到114年辦理授信的保證金額都在111年度都達到最高峰然後開始逐年都一直在下降那甚至到今年7月底才承接做190件 |
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那跟過去來比是真的非常差太多了那我只是想請問一下委員長你知道原因是怎麼樣嗎還有就是說你認為如果海外信保基金整體的業績還是都沒有顯著的成長的話那這樣的話僑委會是否會開始考慮停止增資否則會不會又是政府預算的乾坤呢跟委員報告 |
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海外信保基金已經成立30多年了早期從財政部金管會最後移給僑委會那僑委會在106年民國106年開始那個是因為配合新南向政策所以當時的吳前委員長時代有跟行政院特別說明說我們的基金規模那時候不到10億那10億的話你可以做到只有100億的這個美金的這個壽性 |
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額度而已 因此不夠所以當時行政院就核定了說這個海外信保基金要再加增資20億但是這20億呢 並不是都是公務預算其中4成呢 這個海外信保基金要自己去募款 |
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那你募到了國家才給你挹注這個公務基金的撥補所以我們一開始有公股銀行民股銀行第一階段有捐了一些所以我們就根據他捐的這個比例來相對六成的撥補可是到後來因為疫情發生就停止了一段時間那疫情期間確實有很多的小中小型廠商他因為要度過那個急難為救助的狀態 |
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所以我們當時有一些專案所以那幾年當中的這個貸款額度相對比較高那今年為什麼低也很簡單是因為大家都在觀望因為從今年四月開始對等關稅以後大家都沒有一個定論所以大家都不願意再投資所以就停在那裡所以這些增資計畫就因此相對的數量減少以上跟委員說明 謝謝好 謝謝林益君委員 謝謝接下來進行訓導委員 林倩琦委員 |
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好 謝謝張偉我們請徐委員長來 委員長請 |
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委員長您好本席今天關心的是我國的多元文化如何在國際場域當中能夠被看見尤其是南島原住民族文化的推廣與外交的運用本席在你們的預算書裡面第22款第1項第3目裡面看到有僑民僑團聯繫接待及僑教中心的一個服務下面 |
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那115年編了大概1700多萬那麼主要是用於加強僑社聯繫跟輔助辦理多元活動那麼你們的施政計畫裡面有說這個整個核心目標是要辦理台灣的多元文化節慶及支持台灣參與國際組織的活動提高國際能見度但是本席在看到你們113年的實施成果 |
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活動內容大部分集中在元旦、春節、二二八和平紀念日跟雙十國慶等主流節慶相對的也是比較漢族的節慶也不能算是很具體的呈現台灣多元文化的樣貌也沒有南島原住民族文化的推廣尤其是在今年紀念日、節日條例實施之後 |
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那麼原住民日跟原住民族的傳統節慶也相對的又更被重視了那麼當我們在談台灣的時候都離不開表現原住民族文化但是在這項如果沒有被納入這個多元外交是不是有點空談所以本席這邊想要請教 |
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就是目前僑委會推動的多元文化外交活動裡面有沒有針對南島文化或原住民族文化的具體的專案例如說跟原住民族委員會或者是文化部、教育部來合作能夠將原住民的音樂、服飾、記憶、語言納入僑教推廣的內容當中第二個部分是在僑教中心的一個活動設計當中或僑教中心的展示有沒有以原住民族文化為主題的 |
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慶典、講座或展演甚至一些展示所以我們都講南島文化是很重要的核心我們常常的論述都是從台灣出發的南島航線延伸到整個太平洋島國但我們也知道南島的範圍其實到了東非也到了西 |
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就南美的西邊但是如果我們在這個部分沒有很實質的被看到的話那是不是我們的文化話語權其實有點空談所以這個部分的業務是不是可以跟您這邊請教一下那目前先前我讀到的是這樣那我們知道常常帶出去的團體很多原住民但是原住民為主體的在國外的話語權其實在各部會常常都被稀釋那您的看法 |
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謝謝林委員的提問我覺得這問題對我們來說是真的非常重要過去在三年我在僑委會的這個期間我們都有積極的跟客委會原委會的主委以及他們相關的單位去聯繫甚至我們海外的這個僑教中心因為非常多的僑團希望能夠展演一些原住民的舞蹈文化等等的元素所以我們也都開始編列預算去採購 |
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16族的服飾然後放在我們的喬教中心讓我們的喬團可以來租借因為文化權這些概念是很重要的每一族有每一族不同的這個文化服飾跟他們相關的道具所以我們基於尊重這一種文化的資產權我們都開始朝向這樣的方向在走 |
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那其次第二個就是說事實上台灣本來就是多元文化所以我們向來都把原住民文化客家文化各種的不同的文化都把它融入在我們僑社活動的補助上面所以如果僑社在各種節慶當中他們想要呈現哪一種文化我們就會幫他給予補助所以剛剛你念到很多這個相關的經費很多都是我們在給他們補助雖然經費不是很多但是是一種鼓勵另外我也會提供資訊這是針對僑社嘛 |
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同時我也會提供資訊給他說那這個部分你可以跟原委會哪個單位來接洽客委會哪個單位你可以來接洽像我們也推動一些語言的部分那台語跟華語就是由我僑委會主責在推動但是如果是客語我就是請客委會來推動因為我們的那個預算規模委員長其實另外還有一點本市其實以前在教育委員會也跟他們提過 |
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那也請你們追蹤一下目前跟你們比較相關也就是原住民語言其實是有認證是的但是其實他們在推動的時候也常常透過僑委會僑社可是你知道原住民語言被認證其實有很多外國人對這個部分是有興趣的本席在學外語的時候比如碰到一個德國老師 |
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他就是當時賽德克族還沒被證明的時候他就已經來研究賽德克所以這個東西如果也能夠透過僑委會或僑社讓大家知道台灣在原住民語的多元認證我想這個業務也是比較實質的跟委員報告這個語言認證的部分像華語的認證台語的認證其實還是教育部在負責 |
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我們只是協助他有據點跟幫他散佈訊息溝通我們會把原住民語言文化跟客家語言文化都當作跟一般的重要同等重要去做宣傳我們有各組應該各16組通通都有認證非常認同委員的看法 |
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最後我還要再提醒一點以剛才您所講我相信原住民在作為客體上基本上常常是被展示的但是作為一個主體其實這個概念目前還不是太清楚所以你們雖然在這個僑教中心可能有一些展示本席這邊希望你們能夠做得再更積極一點有沒有可能有一些原住民族專區甚至過去在集體遷移的像我們農耕隊有些都已經在國外落腳 |
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你們是不是可以多注意一下整個原住民在國外的比例上比較多的一個團體跟地區那這個部分可以在某一些施政的階段當中多一點著力委員這點我在上任不到三年時間我已經開始著力很多 |
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我們幾乎沒有原住民的榮譽職人員那我上來以後我說我們台灣是多元文化多族群的一個社會所以我們應當要有一些代表性那當然原住民在海外人數相對是很少那也因為很少所以我們要更加用心比較形單一致啦對所以我們也是特別的去注意 |
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有些原住民在哪些區塊 哪些國家如果有 我們會特別鼓勵他們也鼓勵他們組成組織然後我們也提名他們作為促進委員等等來協助他們讓他們慢慢地成長起來是 所以就有一個很快的提示 |
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第三個建議第一個 僑委會應該要提出難道原住民族文化推動的一個行動方案列明年的年度計畫然後海外據點的一個合作然後跟原民會還有文化部很強力的一個協作那第二個就是應該把 |
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多元文化及外交的成果納入你們的政績跟施政報告那我們至少可以從這個量化指標看到文化的一個多樣性那最後一個呢就是麻煩您再強化更加的強化海外的這個喬教中心與南島國家文化機構之合作然後推動南島文化交流記或太平洋島國的文化周讓世界從文化層面理解台灣的歷史根源跟族群的多元好的 |
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我們在亞太區的喬教中心我們會加強這一塊因為確實我們在南島嶼系是在亞太區為主所以我們會來這樣努力謝謝委員謝謝那會後也請將你們過去這個部分有做的我們會來匯整一些資料提供給林委員參考謝謝謝謝林倩琦委員接下來我們請王定宇召委上台質詢 |
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好 謝謝主席 麻煩委員長請問委員長王兆偉早安委員長今天你多開了一個主題我想這個部分要釐清一下 |
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中國的跨境鎮壓或者是長臂管轄事實上在歐美世界各主流國家是不僅不予承認甚至於驅離了中國住在當地國的假公安因為他們用民間的身份紐約還逮捕了一名 |
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不只紐約舊金山也有 所以跨境鎮壓或者是這個所謂的長臂管轄是一個侵犯他人內政而且用政治的理由透過刑事犯罪的模式來進行政治迫害這世界各國是不能接受的所以我剛才本席聽到蠻震驚的你說以沈伯陽委員為例 事實上沈伯陽委員我才剛從國外回來 |
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我們去了幾個國家沒有問題我看到有些人講說陳柏安剛剛出國我剛剛搭的那班飛機也飛得蠻穩的也沒什麼亂流都回來了所以你剛才講到新加坡你認為未來可能需要列入警示我要嚴肅的問你你這是個人的判斷還是經過國安會議的確認 |
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我剛剛提的兩個方向一個是說我們僑委會的同仁跟我在內不能去的原因是那個是另外一個那個跟中國因素沒有直接的那個是政治干擾還不到用政治的理由進行長臂管轄的迫害這個是有距離的越南那一次事實上我們都知道發生什麼事情所以我現在要講的因為剛才點到一個特定國家 |
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對 新加坡因為近來新任總理黃總理他在對外的表達內容我們還是要回來因為外交部門我現在就以沈伯陽委員為例我認為是他會提高風險是說提高風險你沒有聽懂我的問題你剛才的風險是來自於你個人的判斷或者是國安團隊的判斷我個人的判斷那不能這樣子 |
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本席強烈的建議你不能這樣子這是對外事務不是你的職權你怎麼可以個人判斷呢在國會裡面可以這樣判斷嗎這會引起事情的我也有個人判斷啦我可以啊我只是一個民意代表 |
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你是政府官員的一部分你剛才那事情會引起風波因為新加坡就我了解到目前為止並沒有列入警示多數國家並沒有列入警示委員我說明一下我們如果自己嚇自己讓中國的長臂管轄形成了心理恫嚇的作用 |
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那新加坡對他跟中國的態度跟台灣的態度有時候我們看了不喜歡也剛剛在上個月有一位是香港的民運人士他也曾經擔任過這個重要的政黨的領袖他受邀去新加坡參加一個研討會那麼他從英國他其實已經是規劃英國籍了那他那一次從美國搭機去到新加坡參加這個研討會卻被滯留在機場然後原機全返 |
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這我還是要告訴你差異在哪裡這也是有中國戒律的痕跡在這裡面新加坡會受中國影響會禁止一些人進去就像當時越南一樣跟進去你可能被逮捕 解送中國那個距離差很遠所以這個東西要嚴謹新加坡黃巡柴跟李強的對話 |
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我們不喜歡啊我們也發表抗議我們是以國家外交單位正式發表抗議告訴這個國家當朋友不是這樣子在外交上不支持跟反對這兩個term這兩個詞令是完全不一樣的意思這個是外交但是當我們要指涉某一國我們要列入警示的時候他影響到是商務旅遊政治很多方面的往來這個不能基於個人的臆測或判斷這是一個國家的態度本席 |
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我收回我剛剛說的續期我建議你收回那你收回是個好的態度因為那個不是一個我們也認為要推理那個國家可能跟國家正式的研判不一樣你是政府的部長級的官員這是一個涉外事務那我回到我今天要問的委員長先請回請信保基金的董事長 |
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那個侯麗楊董事長我們目前信保基金的承保2024年的件數跟金額多少 |
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到9月底的話是大概2024喔2024去年到348件348件嘛我印象你們去年喔不錯喔348件有284件是新南向顯示我們政府這個基金而且很多人以為這個錢會變成政府的黑洞搞錯了啦 信保基金不管是中小信保或海外信保你是叫銀行做錢給他啦 |
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風險評估徵信一模一樣啦該連徵還是要連徵那個是銀行借錢只是透過你們你們做信用的擔保可以把一定的額度免擔保給他那未來要收回的時候你們有一份嘛所以信保基金的運作不是拿政府的錢給民間商業在用而是透過政府 |
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去做一個窗口的服務銀行的體系的資金可以更活絡的運用協助在政策方面所以你們去年做的是對的248件裡面284件是跟新南向有關也顯示我們台橋商在新南向國家的商業相當活絡那你們去年的金額好像是到多少到2億5千萬美金嘛 是這個2億5千萬美金是銀行放出去的不是 林橋委會 |
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時代加起來沒有那麼多錢啦我們信保大概是兩億啦你們信保是擔保用的啦我講的是兩億五千萬美金是那個母錢借出去那是銀行的錢你們原來年度目標是一億八嘛所以表示也高過你們的預計好這是去年今年我剛有聽到委員長解釋了可能因為對等關稅全球的商業活動緊縮所以投資有收所以今年有稍微今年的狀況是怎麼樣 |
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今年的話事實上統一到九月底事實上我們跟去年同期比較的話事實上還稍微多了一點點所以今年其實還是有點成長那分部的區域勒事實上也是一樣新南向大概佔了八成以上行業別呢行業別的話應該還是以製造業為主我會建議信保基金其實大家 |
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有时候认为侨委会的业务其实侨委会的业务蛮有意思的信保基金如果按照你的你这一个承保的对象行业别地域就是分布区域以及它的营业额资本额以及是Joint是合资的或者是独资的你分析出来之后可以概括看到我们台湾的生意全世界最厉害的生意人就是犹太人跟台湾人 |
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所以你就可以看到這個走的趨勢跟走向我不知道你們信保基金有沒有這方面的報告 |
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我們是有消防資料那個其實抓幾個參數跑一下就出來了可以有一份報告給我們委員會嗎或甚至於我建議你可以公佈你們信訪基金可以公佈我們去年不錯我做到百分之將近200百分之一百七八十趴然後台橋商非常活絡我們是日不落日不落的商業王國台灣那是好事那就根據地域我們的資金分佈往哪裡走 |
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這個行業別是往傳產服裝食品或者是高科技你把它分類出來之後其實它是一個好的業務報告我會建議信保或者委員長這邊這個報告我們希望可以看到我最好建議的事情是你們現在把單一關係人的這個承保從200萬美金提高到300萬美金你覺得夠嗎 |
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目前的話我們自己也是調查過那目前的話這樣的一個金額目前是大多數的台商是可以接受的當然因為也涉及到我們本身承保能量問題風險的評估連增是銀行端會做只要信用沒有問題當然銀行就是錢出去滾錢回來所以有兩個所謂的夠或不夠就是我們的資金面是不是願意提高搞不好銀行有這個需求 |
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供給面另外一個是需求面因為你現在就是200到300他就覺得夠而且你這樣的規模吸引到的企業就是特定的企業一定level以上他不會找你們富士康什麼的他就自己去辦連帶他怎麼會找你們所以我才會建議 |
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僑委會這一個滾動式的調整在沒有跟你們來借錢的人就沒有透過你們來承保的人跟銀行端問問看說300萬美金你們不來借原因太少了跟你們借不夠或怎麼樣子是不是該適度的提高把你的服務層次往上拉因為那樣子的規模會不一樣 |
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跨國的企業跟資金會影響它的規模這第一個建議第二個建議也許不是信保而是信保多一個業務你超過我的額度了我300萬美金緊繃啊但是信保你是台橋商我做媒合我協助你跟國內在海外有OBU的或有在海外放款的做進行連帶或者進行貸款像我最近有看到一個案例它本身你知道全世界這許家慶你也知道最有名的花旗參是哪一家的 |
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跟你的音有點像就是他們想要把因為美中貿易戰花旗聲中國就不買了就威斯康星州就是鴻海辦公的威斯康星州他們的花旗聲全部蹲跌下我們台灣本來我們台灣花旗聲的量有相當的量 |
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然後也要跟他購買那這一個台橋商說那乾脆我把它蹲在城口一回一方面幫助國家降低赤字二方面我可以進行更高的我把威斯康辛州四分之一到一半的花旗參買下來可是他需要資金的協助發現所有的信保基金額度都沒有到那裡類似這樣子的台橋商 |
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也許信保基金或喬爾會主動媒合那一方面降低赤字二方面擴大我們在威州的影響力我只舉這個例子所以那個許氏花旗生我知道對你我一講就知道了因為在海外跑的人聽到花旗生一定只想到一家沒有第二家有還有第二家這間比較有名好那我們就是這些建議那另外那個薛委員剛才那個有關陳柏洋部分我建議你正式把它收回來好的謝謝感謝委員謝謝王定宇召委 |
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好謝謝林軍委員代理組織謝謝那我們接下來進行詢問委員是馬文君委員謝謝主席麻煩請委員長委員長請 |
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好 委員長早安今天我們就僑委會的業務報告的部分有幾個問題請教第一個就是僑委會為了佩服政府的投資人才政策在112年到115年推動了擴大培育以及留用僑生這個中長 |
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中長城的這個計劃案當然我們是鼓勵海外僑生來台升學那也會依產業的需求調整課程設計發展具有產業合作特色的這些僑生專班我們看到今天的報告內容因為我們也很清楚的知道其實我們有很多國內的產業尤其像一些餐飲業服務業 |
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其實大概也透過這樣子的一個像這樣的一個學生或者就學的這些 對就會用到這樣子的一個人力可是我們看到今天的報告裡面我們從這個圖表上面看到我們從103年其實就已經開始在推辦這樣子的一個 |
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產系專班的這樣子的一個高中學生就讀那103年的時候其實我們承辦的學校只有兩所那我們在不斷增加的情況之下到113年已經高達27所承辦學校它核定的人數從最早的350個人一直到現在今年已經113年到7558人可是我們看到就是說從112年 |
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到113年這最後兩年的這個為什麼會有這麼大的變化就是就讀期間就離校中斷學習他從去112年是182人離校那113年已經高達472人這已經是倍數的一個成長那大概是什麼樣的原因 |
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確實我們在112年的時候有發現一些問題所以本來111年更多比例也更高之前都蠻高的後來我們有發現一些狀況就開始來協助學生不過有三個大的方向第一個就是說他可能語言能力還不足所以他的學習低落因此他的適應力也不夠因此他就 |
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錯則回去第二個常常是因為家裡有發生事情那這些來讀書的孩子通常是比較弱勢的家庭所以他家裡一旦發生事情的時候他就會選擇說他先離開那第三個是近期我們有發現也有一些學生開始被一些不法集團詐騙那所以因為這樣子他們就會背負上一些刑事的責任 |
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就提前離開那所以我們發現了這幾個大項目以後呢我們就開始逐年的從去年開始我們就積極的開始做這些提醒跟預防的措施請學校一定要在新生訓練的時候就幫助學生然後也逐年提高他們的華語能力那麼今年的應該說去年的472人 |
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這個數字是比前一年112年高但是還是比前幾年相對來講算低啦那我會請我們處長來特別加強了解這些學生離開的原因委員長 |
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因為你剛剛有講到三個原因如果是家庭因素當然我們沒有辦法可是另外兩個我想其實也講到了重點比如說像語文能力我們現在是他只要會講我們就認定他是喬生甚至不像以前這麼嚴格我們現在比如說我們要出國的時候你包括你都必須要通過托普 亞斯這樣子的一些 |
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測驗以後其實你才有辦法出去學習念書等等那現在我們入學達到的標準大概只有A1的程度那畢業以後他只要達到A2的程度其實我們現在其實常常在外面也會碰到比如說你這樣去餐廳吃飯的時候可能就是有一些產學合作的一個學生他們來的時候你甚至跟他說我要多一份碗筷他聽不懂 |
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他還必須再跑回去再找人來協助所以我想其實這樣子的宇文程度你在這樣子的一個服務業或餐飲業或者其他的產業別都已經面臨到這樣的生活的一個可能會 |
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在漢格的情況之下那就更不用說學習了所以這是一個很大的問題那我們現在又編列更多的預算所以我想他沒有達到這樣的程度那在學的學生有沒有語文加強的做法 |
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有 委員你這個問題真的是很關鍵而且也是直接到位所以我們也是意識到說如何讓學生在來台灣以前以前我們訂了這個所謂240小時或者只是A1程度其實不夠 |
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我們現在檢班的做法有兩項第一項就是在海外的時候加開一些華語研習營讓他們強化密集學習第二個是我們在國內的部分我們現在第一學期進來的時候呢前兩個月前一個學期他必須要先學到一個程度經過我們的測驗測驗有通過我才讓他去廠家做實習如果他沒有通過他就繼續在學校讀書 |
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所以這兩年已經開始跟教育部這個部分我們希望看到相對的成果因為在這裡只是用口頭說我想今年已經開始破十那既然已經做了我們就是在校期間因為你只有來跟畢業嘛 |
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一個A1一個A2嘛所以在這中間的過程當中要怎麼樣去強化我覺得這個可能把它具體的一個成效還有做法提供書面好不好第二個就是你剛剛也提到其實被不法集團利用我覺得這是非常嚴重的問題因為他們來的時候其實大概都是國中畢業而已所以其實像這樣子的一個 |
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人力的一個來源被濫用或者被不法集團利用我想這不是只有叫學校去做宣導這個也嚴重影響到我們的治安或者我們其他可能會牽涉到的一個形式的一個案件所以我想具體的做法也把它提出來好不好我覺得不是只有請學校去宣導 |
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然後在什麼新生訓練做什麼樣的一個這樣的一個強化我覺得都不足那因為很明顯的看到這將近300人他離校他發生的原因還是要把他具體化怎麼樣去做改善好的那這兩個部分再請我們會盡快把資料匯整起來送委員辦公室 |
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另外就是我們看到因為在最我們在僑民異難身份的認定機制上面其實我們有做了調整對不對我們因應這個議政司的相關行政命令的修正我們在執行面上協助他們對內政部他是為了預防假僑民徵逃兵這個部分我們當然尊重國家的政策因為如果說要做逃兵的這樣子的一個 |
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作為我想這個大家都不能接受可是我們要看到的是你這個9月才修正的規劃我國國籍者歸國僑民服役辦法9月才修正然後9月8號就開始執行他的目的是什麼為什麼要急著在9月8號因為我們通常有很多政策在推動的時候通常會定到某月的1號 |
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因為你在公告或者修正的情況之下他甚至沒有任何的一個緩衝就是一些不達的時間什麼原因這個部分因為僑委會有參與因為我們看到僑委會是在最快的我們看到 |
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9月20號僑委會才公布的那你9月8號就開始執行外交部駐外館最早的大概也是9月13號所以就委員長你知道的為什麼是9月8號我的理解內政部他們草案開始做這個諮詢的時候已經是7月份就開始了然後 |
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委員長因為我說的是你9月才修正因為我們看到的就是公告的這些日期他太倉促你今天一個政策可以這麼草率然後就把它推出來主席不好意思我借一下時間現在他衍生什麼樣的問題剛剛我們說我們尊重整個國家的政策我們不希望有造假的一個狀況可是這個部分已經造成許多逸臨起從19歲到36歲華僑的不便 |
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因為你在申請文件的時候比如說我是國外的華僑我回來我可能在工作或在念書我回來可能一個禮拜或十天這樣的時間可是你為了要辦這些你必須僑委會跟移民署都必須要臨會辦理 |
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移民署各縣市還有喔然後敲回會你只有在台北那我今天如果只回來七天我要回去的時候然後議政司是可以在線上審查不過他最短也需要兩個工作天你這些都很順利的情況之下經過這三個單位最少需要四天今天我如果回來要度假或者回來探望家人或者回來工作或者有什麼樣的銜接我根本沒有辦法去預測我什麼時候可以把它辦好 |
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所以就這個部分因為時間的關係就這幾個點我們希望僑委會去把它包括跟內政部因為畢竟僑包是你們的一個權責所以怎麼樣讓大家不要說到時候我想要趕回去工作我要回去念書結果我時間卡在這裡出不去那就很大的問題 |
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不會產生這個問題是因為內政部的這個修正當中他有寬限四個月也就是說如果你緊急回來兩天三天我們要的不是你的寬限今天他可以回頭再辦這個程序你聽我講完我今天回國如果只有一個禮拜或只有十天我回來敢辦任何重要的事情的話我沒有辦法在時間內回去因為你光是這些就站了四天然後如果中間還卡到假期的話你根本回來都沒有辦法辦事 |
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所以這個部分要如何去精進至少你讓大家知道說我應該用多少時間可以去辦這些事情因為你這樣子等於我把相關資料整好給你好不好接下來如果有什麼樣比較精進的做法提供相關的資料因為有很多僑胞其實是在做陳情反應他說因為這樣大家以後都不用拿中國護照你不是要 |
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這要爭取向心力嗎我們的邱委會的功能就是這樣結果你讓大家以後我乾脆就不要拿中華民國護照進來就好了所以這個部分我們要怎麼做改善提供比較具體的我們會加強這方面的相關作為給委員參考謝謝委員詞詮詢 謝謝看看線上能不能處理思考一下科技跟驗證的方式我們接下來進行詢答的委員陳冠廷委員 |
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你好我們請委員長委員長請陳委員長安委員長好簡單的請教一下關於這個華僑身分證明書的驗證程序是因為有聽到一些民眾在表示說可能有一些訊息需要這個正式的這種回應 |
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那刚才几位委员应该有提到说为了维护这个议政的公平所以从今年9月开始我们就有修改规定就是侨民意难一定要拿到侨委会合八的议政用华侨身份证才可以出境但是改用的这个身份证明书的申请流程跟条件目前侨报是有点反映说讯息还是没有很一致很混乱 |
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那所以我们希望说政策可不可以让同步让第一线的这个乔屋秘书掌握来去做澄清跟协助好的比方说现在我们听到的是说如果没有乔如果是没有乔包没有这个乔居的家庭护照那第一次申请的这个议政用华侨身份证明书他需要提供乔居地的居留证明那是第121条规定 |
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那如果說僑居地他居留上面的資訊不是用英文登載的話那可能是馬來文或者是泰文的話那為了要這個審查方便的話應該是要附中文的譯本然後而且要應經住外管處來去驗證 |
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住外管處是指我們中華民國派出去的住外管處可是僑委會的官網上面是說明說如果申請譯證用華僑申命證明書他的相關的居留證明書無需經住外管處驗證所以現在是要申請譯本還是 |
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跟委員說明事實上是這樣子要來申請議政用華僑身份證明他要帶中華民國有效護照然後第二個就是外國護照或永久居留權居留證或者長期居留證那第三個呢是這個叫做移民署的這個入出境的資料 |
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那這個可以回到國內再跟移民署來申請這個入出境資料就夠了是自出生開始的那前面這兩項呢事實上他如果是本人拿的正式文本來我們這邊辦理那其實不需要再去 |
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駐外管處認證要驗證的原因是他要弄副本所謂的影印本的時候才需要去驗證如果正本來我們就不會讓他幫他這個做說還要去驗證的問題那有關於 |
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拘留證這個部分因為有些是用外文所寫的那如果是外文所寫的話當事人自己翻譯簽名就可以連同證本翻譯然後簽名連同證本讓我們查驗就可以了並不需要去駐外管處或者是他國的這個外交單位再進行認證這可能是有資訊解讀上的這個落差 |
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那什麼時候是需要去認證呢是指說你如果要委託你的家屬朋友幫你代辦的時候那可是你自己的文件都還在手上啊所以你沒有證本可以提供我們查核這種狀況下你才需要在駐外管處先去驗證說你這個資料證本為真然後他會弄一個影本給你蓋好章所以這個部分呢 |
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送回來的時候這個就需要翻譯那翻譯也是一樣就是正本查驗過以後的資料自行翻譯好簽名就可以了所以都沒有說太複雜的一個手續只不過我們可能資訊的提供上過去可能還不夠所以有些僑民可能就因此呢誤會了以為所有的翻譯跟所有的文件通通要先經過認證事實上是不需要的 |
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對OK好謝謝委員長那第二個部分委員長你有提到關於橋屋秘書的一個人力配置因為拓展橋屋的服務據點大概可能是你目前很重視的一個施政目標 |
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那我也知道說這個教育會很難跟這個人事行政總署都要緣額所以教育會現在是先縮編這個海外的駐外的人力就是因為為了要拓展所以我們要先做好 |
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先把人力做一些調配跟委員說明Arizona確實在增加僑胞啦有不管長期或短期的那我們現在都是還有洛杉磯的僑胞洛杉磯的僑教中心在兼轄那事實上我們沒有要縮編今年是因為有一些調動的因素所以暫時從兩人三人變兩人但是我們明年又會把它補食為三人因為他要服務的區域範圍確實很廣那假以時日如果 |
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外交部有機會他要再拓展到亞利桑那州的時候我們會因應配合這樣的需求再來把僑務秘書做任何的配置來達到服務的目標因為你剛剛說是由洛杉磯先去補這個空缺的能力是 現在都是靠洛杉磯的僑教中心以及洛杉磯的辦事處在支援 |
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因為我看差不多也一年了我怕說這樣子的空窗期會不會原本減少人力的這個部分因為三個變兩個嘛他的業務會不會是今年的七月底才開始變兩個的所以只有這五個月而已所以不是一年沒有一年沒有一年應該不會到一年嗎不會不會我們會盡快把它補適所以我怕這個他減少的這個人力他可能要負擔會我知道我們洛杉磯的僑胞也會擔心因為好像現在只有兩個可是因為你知道我們現在 |
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因為我們有一位同仁要回來結婚所以我們就不得不讓他提早離開那我們就盡快的把這個人力補足因為我看這個鳳凰城因為我們明年1月都會把它補食這個台橋社群應該是日益壯大嘛在美國的台橋人數還是有在成長中 |
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接下來他們的語言適應還有學籍的轉接的問題我們的留學生現在在美國有很好的一些新的發展趨勢是因為我們的很多台灣企業要跨國投資所以他們需要很多好的人才 |
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8374.482 |
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那也因為這樣我們現在也拜託我們在當地的一些僑社跟台商能夠協助我們去跨國投資的這個廠商做一個整體性的人才媒合的動作所以這個徵才的動作事實上上個月已經辦過第一次在洛杉磯的 |
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8389.691 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
8411.708 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
不治厄安基应该说是在厄湾南加州厄湾那接下来也可能会在东岸也会举办然后这个在德州也会举办我们就因着有不同州的这一些发展趋势我们都会尽可能来协助让留学生或者当地的这个ABC我们讲的所谓第二代第三代 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
8412.969 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
8416.511 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
這個已經是Taiwanese American也有多一點機會進到我們這些新的這個企業系統大家來服務這我們會來媒合好 謝謝委員長謝謝 謝謝陳委員 子維勳 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
8426.189 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
8445.197 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
好謝謝陳冠廷委員委員長請回今天已登記質詢委員初步在場外均已發言完畢報告及詢答結束本次會議有陳永康委員黃仁委員陳俊宇委員沈伯陽委員提出書面質詢請列入記錄並刊登公報 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
8446.317 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
8461.689 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
委員書面及口頭諮詢未及答覆的部分或要求補充資料者請僑委會於兩週內以書面答覆那如果有約定期限的從期約定所定那今天跟明天12號13號為兩天一次會我們現在休息 |