| IVOD_ID |
170232 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170232 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-20-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-01T11:35:59+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-01T11:47:13+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:14 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/10566d69eaf1b9ac86498784a3735d7bca9306fd69d22fc010bb06545781b11bfaa2c62ee39d587a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳秉叡 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:35:59 - 11:47:13 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：一、彙總整理提出「中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案審查總報告（公務預算部分）草案」提報院會案。
二、彙總整理提出「中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業及非營業部分審查總報告草案」提報院會案。
三、審查本院委員吳秉叡等20人擬具「會計師法部分條文修正草案」案。（詢答及處理）
四、審查本院委員吳秉叡等21人、委員李彥秀等18人分別擬具「證券交易稅條例第二條之一條文修正草案」等2案。（僅詢答）
【7月1日及2日二天一次會】） |
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我們先來請吳秉瑞委員質詢主席麻煩請親管會彭主委彭主委請主委今天的質詢的委員大部分都提到了剛剛談的這個案子我在想 |
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這是一個個案但是也有可能在制度上要根據這個個案的發生來檢討金融業尤其是銀行、投信這些都是特許行業嘛那照理來講做這個特許行業的CEO他應該有這方面的知識說也有這方面的概念說不能夠去做這個 |
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使得有利益交割然後搞不清楚這樣的狀況那為什麼這個個案他會去兼任一間上市公司的獨董除了他的投信董事之外他又去兼了簡單講就是四星KY的獨董那這個投信業他就是在做這個證券的投資啊 |
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那這間被他兼任的這間公司是這麼有名的IC設計而且是股價這麼高幾乎所有的投信很多都會去購買這個四星KY的股票作為他的這個投信的這個職業內容裡面來 |
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這麼為什麼會沒有概念到這麼離譜的狀況就這個CEO本人或是就這間公司怎麼會這麼沒有概念呢你的看法是怎麼樣 |
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我想其實制度都有 他們內控 內部的應該申報 呈報的制度都有那為什麼在執行上出了這個偏差我想 所以剛剛有委員提到 他們的內部控制確實是失靈那這點的話 我想我們在督導整個制度的執行社會對我們很多的期待跟要求 我們也虛心接受 |
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最重要是說發生這個事情以後我們怎麼去調整就剛剛委員提到就是說我們怎麼去針對這個事件我們怎麼樣來能夠避免這個事情再重複的發生這才是最關鍵的點 |
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那所以剛剛提到就是說對於這些金融機構的負責人兼職我們現在是有明確的規定只是現在的規定是不是能夠符合像這樣一個需求那這個時候我們可以來檢討那所以剛剛也有報告過我們現在的負責人資格條件準則裡面確實有針對一個負責人該怎麼做兼職有明確的規定那再來他們在內部你兼職以後 |
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要怎麼去通報避免這個立官人的交易或是利益衝突這部分呢最重要還是那個本人自己要做申報再來就是制度上要去勾擊我想這部分為什麼我也沒有做到這也是我們很關注的一點這也是我們未來會來努力希望透過不要只憑一個人的申報與否還要多重的勾擊來做到這件事情主委我個人是這樣子啦制度上我是建議你們考慮看看就是 |
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對於這個特許行業允許兼職的範圍要限縮他有他是一個CEO他有重要到他這些這邊都要去兼這麼多嗎他本身是銀行的董事長要去兼一間上市公司的獨董這個很特殊啊我認為這樣的例子不會多但是當然還是要去檢查檢查看看因為 |
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一間這麼大的金控的或是銀行的董事長就夠他忙了吧他這麼忙還能夠去擔任上市公司的讀董讀董任務也很重要讀董等於是現在的制度在替這間上市公司在把關做很多的把關工作那個資料如果要讀的話資料如果要研究的話也是很多的所以這個我是認為說 |
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兼職的部分應該要有所限縮不能夠讓他們能夠這樣子的好像我只要書面上面那個文字規定那既然這樣的話那個要修改好不好我的主張我是認為要限縮我想說也一樣啦過去有很多人提到我們不要浪費任何一次危機啦這件事情的凸顯的問題我們剛好利用這個來檢視我們相關的過去的制度 |
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第二個電腦AI現在很發達這些名人這些都是有名有姓然後都是社會上大家都知道是誰的人你要上電腦連接橫向聯繫他在做什麼他有什麼職務應該是很清楚的因為他兼的那些職務也都是要公告的他兼的那些職務又不是說我兼這個職務社會不知道 |
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只要橫向的把它連在一起就一定會跑出來的所以剛剛跟委員講我們過去不能只單靠個人申報還有一年幾次的檢核我們未來要建立多重的查核機制來讓內控跟執行能夠更完備 |
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那最近另外一個訊息就是說有一個好消息就是說這個ATM如果有遮掩臉部的因為現在有人臉辨識嘛口罩然後安全帽的都會警示他就不讓你繼續操作了你必須要拿下來他才讓你繼續操作這個據說對打詐由於對於車手去盜你這個錢有很大的嚇阻的作用 |
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那這個剛剛當然講說有一些技術要提升但是我覺得技術在這件事情上是小事情所以應該要鼓勵無論是各大銀行這個ATM都應該要趕快來加裝這樣子的設備不是整台換掉它那個可能是ATM要加裝一個設備然後程式的設定這樣而已是的如果有這樣的狀況的話是不是趕快鼓勵能夠趕快來設因為我覺得 |
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避免如何被詐騙喔 大家都 |
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很痛恨這件事情所以大家都想盡各種辦法那既然這個辦法不錯有幫助那是不是應該要趕快去做是的這個我想剛才那個有委員提出這個這個確實是我們推動重點我剛才也跟委員報告過這是我們行政院自然匯報督導了一個重要的計畫我們會來按照這個方向來來促進來趕快來做這件事情好請回座請財政部陳次長跟 |
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最近我們政府針對獨駕,有在嚴厲取締,又要訂很嚴格的辦法 |
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但是這個那個毒品啊叫做衣托米子很多原料是從中國進來的他進來除了走私之外有些是夾藏在這個 |
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海關要進口的貨品裡面那過去關路署對於檢驗這種毒品的機制因為其他的毒品 什麼大麻 什麼海洛因 鴉片你們以前都已經有很多的經驗 所以那個檢驗很快這個的檢驗聽說還沒有完整的準備嗎 |
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是 跟委員報告 謝謝委員關心這個毒品的事件那自從伊托米子列為管制品之後其實我們在海關我們也有購買大概46部的所謂的一個拉曼的光譜儀這種機器來檢測我們只要發現它有毒品的一個成分在我們這種案子我們就移送司法機關來做 |
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你們怎麼做查到毒品當然要依照依送司法機關這是一定的我的意思是說你們現在檢驗上有沒有困難因為我聽說我們氣毒犬也是要訓練啊是那氣毒犬沒有聞過這種東西他對這個沒有感覺的時候他聞不出來啊啊這一方面有沒有再加強整備呢我想這一個部分關務署這邊幫我回答一下來請教來是 |
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是 報告委員齁陳如剛我們次長有報告了就是我們目前在四個關區 基北中高四個關區我們有配置了46部的拉曼光譜儀那我們的拉曼光譜儀它現在它是可以去辨識伊托米子因為這個拉曼光譜儀它的這個資料庫是可以隨時更新的所以我們目前裡頭我們只要海關 |
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552.264 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
查獲有這個不明的粉末這些可疑的我們可以用拉曼光譜以來初步去辨識他是可以辨識易脫米子然後如果辨識裡頭有具有這個相關的這些成分就馬上已給這個司法警察機關報請檢察官偵辦氣毒犬現在有辦法聞到這種毒品嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
564.666 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
568.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
報告委員我們的棄毒犬因為他的要訓練的時候他必須是要高純度的一個毒品來作為嗅源來訓練那目前高純度的這個一拖米子目前因為法院跟這個檢察官都沒有宣告沒收所以法務部沒有辦法去公告說可以讓我們去申請因為法律現在在趕快跟上而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
589.409 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
612.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
那我們現在已經跟這個法院跟還有這個檢察署我們這邊密切在聯繫希望說他們可以及早來公告讓我們可以去申請來領用 謝謝這個吸食要靠電子菸的那個吸食器對不對 其實電子菸是非法的那個吸食器抓緊一點 這第一個第二個 你們那個大宗包裹檢驗喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
614.161 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
638.137 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
要更認真一點這個東西很容易它的那個質量沒有很大嘛它很容易夾帶很容易夾長所以大家加油好不好因為我們現在這個實在是這個從中國進來的這個大宗包裹這麼多數量這麼的龐大我們希望海關能夠加強需要的設備我們認為我們立法院跟行政院應該都要支持好不好這邊跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
639.418 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
642.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
就是那個剛剛委員提到就是伊托米子用這個電子煙油作為載具那我們海關我們已經有完訓了兩組的這個氣煙犬那他可以去嗅聞電子煙油那我們目前也還在訓練另外兩組也很快就可以來進行這個毒品的一個查驅那海關就是會在這個邊境上面會積極的來查緝相關的這個伊托米子 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
669.298 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
670.442 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
好,謝偉,5263言措施,謝謝 |