| IVOD_ID |
170226 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170226 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-01T11:17:07+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-01T11:24:27+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:20 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/10566d69eaf1b9ac06ec89bb4ef704ead7789928a886f01810bb06545781b11b05516ffde792dc4e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
許忠信 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:17:07 - 11:24:27 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第19次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員會主任委員及法務部首長就「經濟部、國家發展委員會補助案審查機制、投資案審議程序中之利益衝突迴避規範全面性檢討」進行報告，並備質詢。
【7月1日及7月2日二天一次會】） |
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中信委員質詢主席我們有請我們經濟部國務部長請經濟部國務部長部長好好久不見我們在學界時常開會 |
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這個時常見面也曾經為台灣一起打拚過那您也曾經擔任長久的學者也參與過很多的經濟部等國家機關的補助的審查案的審查委員因為我們學者這個是常態那根據您的報告裡面 |
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也就是說我們現在經濟部的補助的審查外部委員您覺得這個外部委員您也做過那我也做過而學經濟的可能比我的機會更多你這個外部委員真的有辦法做到幫我們審查的效用嗎 |
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因為這些外部委員大部分都是學者或是法輪團體就是學術的或研究機構的法輪團體至少他的態度上因為他不是業者他不是某一個企業的業者所以至少從身份上來講的話他算是利益上比較橫貧的 |
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但是主管機關邀請他 我以前曾經很調皮有一個單位請我去審查 我就真的發表反對意見 後來他就不再找我了不會餒 |
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因為甚至於我們現在有很多的這些也不一定是要真實的表達也有匿名的等等的一些程序啦您提到重點也就是那個表決的程序表決的程序通常不會匿名啦如果有匿名的話我今天邀三個學者來裡面有一兩票匿名是反對了大概三個全部下次都不會被邀請 |
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這就是我們台灣現在的制度也就是我們外部委員沒辦法做到真的客觀獨立現在比較多的是這樣就是說我們有預算然後很多的這些企業團體來申請我們當然都希望來支持這些企業團體當然有一個低標如果沒有達到那個低標就淘汰了但是通常會用類似排序的方式就是說 |
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這些第一名第二名第三名從這樣來看比較是這樣當然還有最低的標準沒有達到當然就要淘汰比較是這個樣子所以就是說我們還是會從這些好的裡面選出最好的最優先來支持他這樣子所以部長我坦白講我不相信這些外部委員真的能夠幫我們把關所以我們要靠制度那靠制度我看您在利益衝突法裡面有講到灣西人 |
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那這個關係人已經如列很清楚這個厲害關係人有沒有必要這麼限縮我們留英留美的我們都相信一句話陽光是最好的防腐劑揭露嘛 就是你有提到的把你跟這個案子這個受補助之人 |
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跟這個單位跟這個案子只要有利害關係都可以揭露沒必要限縮在利益衝突法這麼限縮的六項的範圍之內也就是說例如這個受補貼的單位他跟執政黨曾經有政治獻金或是有同黨籍的關係這種資訊揭露其實 |
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對任何人都無害那只是太陽而已只是陽光讓我們恍惚而已那我個人看到我們的利害關係人這麼限縮很顯然的避重就輕我們現在很多政府的補助案 |
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都是當時選舉有戰馬功勞有捐款有補選的拿到政府的標案至少經濟部我看待是不會這樣因為我們還是都是公開公平的那我剛才提到的現在審查委員大部分他們也沒有參與這些啦因為部長您在經濟部關心很多產業發展而我一直在學界然後一直在從事選舉 |
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所以我知道這個人跟某一個黨有哪一種關係捐了多少錢甚至利益輸送了多少我這一點比部長還比較了解一點因為部長理論很通但是我的實務是真正體察到這一點所以我看你們的那個揭露表那個揭露表你們就根據第六項這樣 |
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第一項到第六項這樣揭露是否將來可以增加有政黨利害關係有捐款的關係或是有該黨籍的 執政黨黨籍的關係也揭露給我們人民知道因為那個表格它是有一致性我們是依據113年這個 |
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6月6號的時候那個監察院還有法務部在這個同就是6月13號他們的這個通知啊我們按照他的這個通函來做這樣的一個表格啦那我想這個我們還是這個是您全責之內可以改的也就是說也不是不讓你標啦你可以標啦但是你揭露你跟執政黨以及執政黨內某一些人他有捐款的關係 |
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或是有同黨籍的關係也不是不讓他飆啊我們只是要人民知道你跟執政黨有什麼關係而已而這個是部長職權內可以做得到我想這個部分我想跨部會還是他有一次性的中央部會還是要有一次性的做法那這個部分是不是容許我們跟法務部來做一些討論您剛剛的建議是不是有可能也放在是不是要修法是一回事那我們表格裡面可不可以加上修改表格而已對 |
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如果可以的話完成是否三個月內能夠送到我辦公室來我們來跟保護部討論一下太好了我沒有這個晚會交你這個朋友有這樣一個部長謝謝部長好謝謝 |