| IVOD_ID |
170192 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170192 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-01T09:31:53+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-01T09:42:59+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:06 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/10566d69eaf1b9ac01671584d434d09bd7789928a886f018697cb05a6f31ee03a7c63afbaf1f10e85ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳亭妃 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:31:53 - 09:42:59 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第19次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員會主任委員及法務部首長就「經濟部、國家發展委員會補助案審查機制、投資案審議程序中之利益衝突迴避規範全面性檢討」進行報告，並備質詢。
【7月1日及7月2日二天一次會】） |
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接下來我們請陳婷菲委員質詢請經濟部官部長 |
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山爺溪爆漲 |
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所以当时候我们当每一次如果它是满潮的时候我们都是用所谓的水闸门关起来然后水闸门关起来之后用内水要抽到外水可是因为它的提防已经不够了根本不敢再抽了抽了它就会一体了 |
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所以我是要報告部長因為我們7月6號我有邀您去現場也就是針對這個部分可能要拜託你們就是說我們如何用能夠協助我們地方的一個處理方式因為這個山野溪在三年前好不容易喔三年前幾乎只要仁德東區 |
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三爺溪還沒整治好的時候我說真的大概SNG車每次下雨就會在那邊看淹水的狀況可是三年來沒有發生就是因為三爺溪的整治完成所以呢大家也嚇一跳怎麼會 |
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三年而已我們的三爺溪的堤防就不夠用了因為極端氣候所以我們現在當天我跟黃偉哲市長有直接到現場去看整個的水位那個水位很可怕還好當時候有雨停了我們在猜只要再半個小時絕對全部一堤 |
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所以這個部分是緊急的一定要加高堤防一定要加高堤防沒有加高你變成沒有人敢用抽水機把內水抽到外水如果沒有做抽水的動作就像我們這一次26號一樣大家就在那邊看著水一直往上漲然後束手無策 |
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所以部長我們7月6號會去針對三野溪會做一個檢討三年而已表示現在的極端氣候已經讓我們原本所謂我們的防洪位25年因為我們南部都是25年大家認為南部可能下雨沒有那麼的 |
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雨量過多所以我們防洪二十五年可是防洪二十五年已經不夠了用三一的稀釋讓大家最最驚慌的地方才三年原本大家認為哇 我可以安心三年就變成這樣而且它影響的是仁德跟東區它的範圍很大 |
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所以部長 我想應該署長都有跟你報告啦所以我們7月6號要到縣長會刊的時候去召開會議 就是針對6月26號我有請水利局做報告那還有另外一個部分也要感謝你就是說我們在這裡的百歲 |
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在去年丹納斯之後的8月份的那一次的颱風那一次的雨量是非常恐怖的我們緊急到現場然後我們在所有的淹水的點我們陸續繞了好幾圈我們去找尋問題因為我一直在講 |
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如果我們的排水沒有把關鍵把它做好我們花再多錢 人民無感所以我們那一次在去年的時候我們整個從上游到下游去看到底發生什麼樣的狀況因為下游你沒有強制排出它就是沒用 |
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所以謝謝從去年我不斷的要求然後在今年我也拜託我們經濟部還有水利署這是我十八年做禮物的地方因為裡面的白水我們很多安南區的白水都蓋很多就存在裡面的白水所以我向我們經濟部拜託向我們水利署拜託謝謝 |
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我們五大改善工程首波因為這是第一階段而已高也是不高的但是不可能一次到位因為我們有分階段在執行所以首波9億 |
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中央的經費要解決六塊了排水五大改善工程有我們的護岸治理護岸治理很重要就像我們三個月可以一樣護岸護岸是關鍵護岸若不夠管你不要來水中多水若多水太管的時候就完全大家束手無策再來就是我們的抽水站 |
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出水站工程很重要在下游因為你下游沒出路 頂游沒摘掉粗粒所以下游很重要還有我們在整個宜安路路段宜安段的左岸改建還有提後排水的改善工程還有相關所有這個從上游的安定 因為安定跟安南區是比較繁忙啦 |
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所以安定是我們的頂尾,是立體寮的頂尾所以從頂尾到中間到尾尾所以我們在去年整個繞了好幾圈,寮主寮,寮主顧 |
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我們知道我們會被民眾責罵我們不怕因為你沒有這個樣子你找不到找不到原因所以我們當時候找了最主要的五大原因所以謝謝我們首波9億已經核准了 |
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所以我要拜託 九億這個是硬撐硬撐的啦 我知道我們的工資還沒過啦是硬撐硬撐的 因為不可以啦九億我說真的 你們知道我們廠長要做多大 所以這只是規劃設計費而已 |
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可是起碼我們在水土事業中還有接觸這個高野所以我拜託預算要趕快過預算要趕快過我們才有看到第二期的預算因為我們水的地利不能浪費 |
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一定要接續不能說今天來了好 下一次不知道在哪裡所以部長我相信這個還有必須要跟中央說的我們之前在半門將軍我也去現場看我五六點就去選了這個北門將軍做抽水戰很有效果非常有效果這就是我講的關鍵 |
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關鍵治理我們有了關鍵治理 人民就會有感所以我們在整個環境裡面希望我們台南要把所有 我們7月6號我會拜託我們水利局把關鍵那個關鍵 |
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找出來 我們一定要優先來做那人民才會覺得說 喔 阿咱中央開車的汽水是有效的所以 部長你認為呢 |
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好 謝謝啊那個六塊樓這個部分我們剛剛委員講預算已經在預算的爭取委員預算爭取之下我們已經核定了嘛那317的部分剛剛委員有提議我們怎麼樣跟市政府來共同的合作雖然它是一個縣市管河川 |
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但是我想中央也是責無旁貸怎麼樣跟地方共同來做加強整治初步當然它下雨已經差不多OK了但是我們現在再怎麼樣把它這個抗這個下雨的這個極端氣候對 極端氣候把那個提案再加高 |
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那我想我們那天可以做充分的討論你知道三爺溪齁三爺溪真的是當時候因為淹水所以小英總統他特地下去他用一次核准的方式不很重要 報告委員也委員很關心這三爺溪要六塊了這討論委員講得很清楚我們會按照委員的意見跟市政府合作啦我認為市政府去灌三爺溪這些東西總算再加高一點 |
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六塊了把最後一哩路趕快把它完成應該會有大幅改善我們願意來跟市政府一起來努力謝謝 一定要拜託而且我有請他提出幾個關鍵就是說在我們很多治水區塊那個就差那最後一哩路我有拜託說你針對那個最後一哩路人民馬上就會感受到的所以你看嘛這一次在去年三文溪白水 |
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南湖到岸邊這個地方就不叫賣了為什麼因為他的最後一里路最後一里路完成所以呢他就沒有被罵了否則以前我們最後一里路沒完成每次前面還是會淹水所以我覺得那個關鍵的建設很重要我們一起加油再拜託謝謝 |
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陳委員亭妃 |
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謝謝召委，請經濟部長。 |
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請經濟部龔部長。 |
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龔部長明鑫 |
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陳委員早安。 |
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陳委員亭妃 |
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部長，我想先利用時間讓你了解一下我們臺南626的淹水，就是您看到畫面上的三爺溪暴漲，水幾乎已經到堤防邊了，每一次如果是滿潮的時候，我們都是把水閘門關起來，水閘門關起來之後，要把內水要抽到外水，可是因為它的堤防已經不夠了，根本不敢再抽了，抽了它就會溢堤。 |
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陳委員亭妃 |
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所以我是要報告部長，因為7月6號我有邀您去現場，也就是針對這個部分，要拜託你們思考如何能夠協助地方處理，因為三爺溪在三年前好不容易……三年前三爺溪還沒整治好的時候，我說真的，大概每次下雨SNG車就會在仁德、東區那邊看淹水的狀況，可是三年來沒有發生，就是因為三爺溪整治完成。 |
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所以大家也嚇一跳，怎麼會才三年而已，三爺溪的堤防就不夠用了？ |
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陳委員亭妃 |
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因為極端氣候。 |
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陳委員亭妃 |
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當天我跟黃偉哲市長有直接到現場去看整個水位，那個水位很可怕，還好當時雨停了，我們在猜只要再半個小時，絕對全部溢堤。 |
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所以這個部分是緊急的，堤防一定要加高，如果堤防沒有加高，變成沒有人敢用抽水機把內水抽到外水；如果沒有做抽水的動作，就像我們26號這一次一樣，大家就在那邊看著水一直往上漲，然後束手無策。 |
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所以部長，我們7月6號會去，針對三爺溪會做一個檢討，三年而已，表示現在的極端氣候已經讓我們原本所謂25年的防洪標準……我們南部都是25年，可能大家認為南部下雨的雨量沒有那麼多，所以我們防洪25年，可是防洪25年已經不夠了。 |
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三爺溪讓大家最驚慌的地方是才3年而已，原本大家認為可以安心了，結果才3年而已就變成這樣，而且它影響的是仁德跟東區，它的範圍很大。 |
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所以部長，應該署長都有跟你報告，所以我們7月6日到現場會勘、去召開會議，就是針對6月26日的情況，我有請水利局做報告。 |
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陳委員亭妃 |
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還有另外一個部分也要感謝你，是關於六塊寮排水，去年丹娜絲之後8月份的那一次雨量是非常恐怖的，我們緊急到現場，在所有淹水的點陸續繞了好幾圈，我們去找尋問題，因為我一直在講，如果我們的排水沒有把關鍵做好，我們花再多錢，人民也無感。 |
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所以去年那一次，我們整個從上游到下游去看到底發生什麼樣的狀況，因為下游如果沒有強制排出，它就是沒用。 |
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所以謝謝，從去年我就不斷的要求，然後在今年，我也拜託經濟部及水利署，這是我當了18年立委的地方，很多安南區的排水都改善很多了，就只剩下六塊寮排水。 |
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因此我拜託經濟部、拜託水利署，也謝謝你們，對於五大改善工程，首波有近9億元，因為這是第一階段而已，其實9億是不夠的，但是不可能一次到位，因為我們有分階段在執行，所以首波9億中央的經費要解決六塊寮排水五大改善工程，包括護岸治理，護岸治理很重要，就像三老爺溪一樣，護岸是關鍵，護岸如果不夠高，你沒辦法內水抽外水，當外水太高的時候，大家就完全束手無策了。 |
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再來就是抽水站，抽水站工程很重要，在下游，因為如果下游沒出路，上游是沒有能力處理的，所以下游很重要。 |
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還有怡安段左岸改建及堤後排水改善工程，還有相關從上游的安定區，因為安定區跟安南區是連在一起的，而安定是我們的上游、是六塊寮的上游，所以是從上游到中段到下游。 |
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我們在去年整個繞了好幾圈，涉水涉了很久，雖然我們知道會被民眾責罵，但我們不怕，因為如果沒有這個樣子，會找不到原因。 |
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我們當時候找了最主要的五大原因，所以謝謝，我們首波9億已經核准了，所以我要拜託，這9億是東拼西湊來的，我知道我們的預算還沒過，這是硬擠、硬湊出來的，因為沒有錢真的不可以。 |
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我說真的，你知道我們抽水站要做多大嗎？ |
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陳委員亭妃 |
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所以9億只是規劃設計費而已，可是起碼我們在水利署東拼西湊之下，還有湊出這9億。 |
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陳委員亭妃 |
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所以我拜託預算要趕快過，預算趕快過後，我們才能看到第二期的預算，因為水的治理不能斷掉，一定要接續，不能今天來了，然後下一次不知道在哪裡。 |
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陳委員亭妃 |
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還有必須要跟中央說的，之前在北門、將軍，我也去現場看過，我5、6點就去巡了，北門、將軍做抽水站很有效果，非常有效果！ |
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陳委員亭妃 |
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這就是我講的關鍵治理，我們有了關鍵治理，人民就會有感。 |
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陳委員亭妃 |
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所以我們在整個範圍裡面，希望臺南要把所有……7月6日我會拜託水利局把那個關鍵找出來，我們一定要優先來做，人民才會覺得中央花這些治水費用是有效的。 |
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陳委員亭妃 |
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部長，你認為呢？謝謝。 |
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龔部長明鑫 |
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六塊寮的部分，如同剛剛委員講的，在委員的爭取之下，預算已經核定了。 |
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龔部長明鑫 |
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至於三爺溪的部分，剛剛委員有提議我們可以怎麼樣跟市政府來共同合作，雖然它是一個縣市管河川，但是中央也是責無旁貸，我們看要怎麼樣跟地方共同來做，加強整治。 |
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龔部長明鑫 |
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當然初步它下游已經差不多OK了，但我們現在該怎麼把抗下雨的極端氣候再來強化，把堤岸再加高，我們那天可以做充分的討論。 |
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陳委員亭妃 |
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三爺溪當時候真的是因為淹水，所以小英總統特地下去，他用一次核准的方式，那很重要。 |
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林署長元鵬 |
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報告委員，因為委員很關心三爺溪跟六塊寮，剛剛委員講得很清楚，我們會按照委員的意見跟市政府合作，我認為市政府管三爺溪，只要堤岸再加高一點，然後六塊寮把最後一哩路趕快完成，應該會有大幅改善，我們願意跟市政府一起來努力，謝謝。 |
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陳委員亭妃 |
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要拜託！ |
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林署長元鵬 |
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一定、一定。 |
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陳委員亭妃 |
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而且我有請他提出幾個關鍵，在很多治水區塊，其實就差那最後一哩路，我有拜託說，你針對那個最後一哩路，人民馬上就會感受到了。 |
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陳委員亭妃 |
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你看去年曾文溪排水、安南區跟安定這些地方就沒有被罵，為什麼？ |
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陳委員亭妃 |
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因為它的最後一哩路完成了，所以它就沒有被罵，否則以前最後一哩路沒完成前，每次前面還是會淹水，所以我覺得那個關鍵的建設很重要，我們一起加油，再拜託！謝謝。 |
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林署長元鵬 |
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是，謝謝委員。謝謝。 |
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主席（楊委員瓊瓔代） |
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接下來請洪毓祥召委詢答。 |
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陳委員亭妃：（9時32分）謝謝召委，請經濟部長。 |
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主席：請經濟部龔部長。 |
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龔部長明鑫：陳委員早安。 |
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陳委員亭妃：部長，我想先利用時間讓你了解一下我們臺南626的淹水，就是您看到畫面上的三爺溪暴漲，水幾乎已經到堤防邊了，每一次如果是滿潮的時候，我們都是把水閘門關起來，水閘門關起來之後，要把內水要抽到外水，可是因為它的堤防已經不夠了，根本不敢再抽了，抽了它就會溢堤。所以我是要報告部長，因為7月6號我有邀您去現場，也就是針對這個部分，要拜託你們思考如何能夠協助地方處理，因為三爺溪在三年前好不容易……三年前三爺溪還沒整治好的時候，我說真的，大概每次下雨SNG車就會在仁德、東區那邊看淹水的狀況，可是三年來沒有發生，就是因為三爺溪整治完成。所以大家也嚇一跳，怎麼會才三年而已，三爺溪的堤防就不夠用了？因為極端氣候。 |
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當天我跟黃偉哲市長有直接到現場去看整個水位，那個水位很可怕，還好當時雨停了，我們在猜只要再半個小時，絕對全部溢堤。所以這個部分是緊急的，堤防一定要加高，如果堤防沒有加高，變成沒有人敢用抽水機把內水抽到外水；如果沒有做抽水的動作，就像我們26號這一次一樣，大家就在那邊看著水一直往上漲，然後束手無策。所以部長，我們7月6號會去，針對三爺溪會做一個檢討，三年而已，表示現在的極端氣候已經讓我們原本所謂25年的防洪標準……我們南部都是25年，可能大家認為南部下雨的雨量沒有那麼多，所以我們防洪25年，可是防洪25年已經不夠了。三爺溪讓大家最驚慌的地方是才3年而已，原本大家認為可以安心了，結果才3年而已就變成這樣，而且它影響的是仁德跟東區，它的範圍很大。所以部長，應該署長都有跟你報告，所以我們7月6日到現場會勘、去召開會議，就是針對6月26日的情況，我有請水利局做報告。 |
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還有另外一個部分也要感謝你，是關於六塊寮排水，去年丹娜絲之後8月份的那一次雨量是非常恐怖的，我們緊急到現場，在所有淹水的點陸續繞了好幾圈，我們去找尋問題，因為我一直在講，如果我們的排水沒有把關鍵做好，我們花再多錢，人民也無感。所以去年那一次，我們整個從上游到下游去看到底發生什麼樣的狀況，因為下游如果沒有強制排出，它就是沒用。所以謝謝，從去年我就不斷的要求，然後在今年，我也拜託經濟部及水利署，這是我當了18年立委的地方，很多安南區的排水都改善很多了，就只剩下六塊寮排水。因此我拜託經濟部、拜託水利署，也謝謝你們，對於五大改善工程，首波有近9億元，因為這是第一階段而已，其實9億是不夠的，但是不可能一次到位，因為我們有分階段在執行，所以首波9億中央的經費要解決六塊寮排水五大改善工程，包括護岸治理，護岸治理很重要，就像三老爺溪一樣，護岸是關鍵，護岸如果不夠高，你沒辦法內水抽外水，當外水太高的時候，大家就完全束手無策了。再來就是抽水站，抽水站工程很重要，在下游，因為如果下游沒出路，上游是沒有能力處理的，所以下游很重要。 |
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還有怡安段左岸改建及堤後排水改善工程，還有相關從上游的安定區，因為安定區跟安南區是連在一起的，而安定是我們的上游、是六塊寮的上游，所以是從上游到中段到下游。我們在去年整個繞了好幾圈，涉水涉了很久，雖然我們知道會被民眾責罵，但我們不怕，因為如果沒有這個樣子，會找不到原因。我們當時候找了最主要的五大原因，所以謝謝，我們首波9億已經核准了，所以我要拜託，這9億是東拼西湊來的，我知道我們的預算還沒過，這是硬擠、硬湊出來的，因為沒有錢真的不可以。我說真的，你知道我們抽水站要做多大嗎？所以9億只是規劃設計費而已，可是起碼我們在水利署東拼西湊之下，還有湊出這9億。所以我拜託預算要趕快過，預算趕快過後，我們才能看到第二期的預算，因為水的治理不能斷掉，一定要接續，不能今天來了，然後下一次不知道在哪裡。 |
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還有必須要跟中央說的，之前在北門、將軍，我也去現場看過，我5、6點就去巡了，北門、將軍做抽水站很有效果，非常有效果！這就是我講的關鍵治理，我們有了關鍵治理，人民就會有感。所以我們在整個範圍裡面，希望臺南要把所有……7月6日我會拜託水利局把那個關鍵找出來，我們一定要優先來做，人民才會覺得中央花這些治水費用是有效的。部長，你認為呢？ |
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龔部長明鑫：謝謝。六塊寮的部分，如同剛剛委員講的，在委員的爭取之下，預算已經核定了。至於三爺溪的部分，剛剛委員有提議我們可以怎麼樣跟市政府來共同合作，雖然它是一個縣市管河川，但是中央也是責無旁貸，我們看要怎麼樣跟地方共同來做，加強整治。當然初步它下游已經差不多OK了，但我們現在該怎麼把抗下雨的極端氣候再來強化，把堤岸再加高，我們那天可以做充分的討論。 |
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陳委員亭妃：三爺溪當時候真的是因為淹水，所以小英總統特地下去，他用一次核准的方式，那很重要。 |
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林署長元鵬：報告委員，因為委員很關心三爺溪跟六塊寮，剛剛委員講得很清楚，我們會按照委員的意見跟市政府合作，我認為市政府管三爺溪，只要堤岸再加高一點，然後六塊寮把最後一哩路趕快完成，應該會有大幅改善，我們願意跟市政府一起來努力，謝謝。 |
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陳委員亭妃：要拜託！ |
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林署長元鵬：一定、一定。 |
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陳委員亭妃：而且我有請他提出幾個關鍵，在很多治水區塊，其實就差那最後一哩路，我有拜託說，你針對那個最後一哩路，人民馬上就會感受到了。你看去年曾文溪排水、安南區跟安定這些地方就沒有被罵，為什麼？因為它的最後一哩路完成了，所以它就沒有被罵，否則以前最後一哩路沒完成前，每次前面還是會淹水，所以我覺得那個關鍵的建設很重要，我們一起加油，再拜託！謝謝。 |
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林署長元鵬：是，謝謝委員。 |
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主席（楊委員瓊瓔代）：謝謝。 |
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接下來請洪毓祥召委詢答。 |
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洪毓祥 |
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邱議瑩 |
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邱志偉 |
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陳亭妃 |
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楊瓊瓔 |
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謝衣鳯 |
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鄭正鈐 |
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鍾佳濱 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
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呂玉玲 |
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許忠信 |
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王鴻薇 |
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陳清龍 |
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傅崐萁 |
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蔡易餘 |
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賴瑞隆 |
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張嘉郡 |
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陳超明 |
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立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第19次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員會主任委員及法務部首長就「經濟部、國家發展委員會補助案審
查機制、投資案審議程序中之利益衝突迴避規範全面性檢討」進行報告，並備質詢 |
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1155701_00012 |