| IVOD_ID |
17019 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17019 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第8次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第8次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-11T08:31:20+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-11T16:55:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
08:23:40 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/8398b1826590a609bbb2b5b7949ecac81fc48310b441d33d914d0d15f34b2c0295da36539574a8715ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-11T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第8次會議（事由：一、同意權之行使事項：本院交通、教育及文化兩委員會報告審查行政院函送國家通訊傳播委員會委員提名名單，蔣榮先為委員並為主任委員，程明修為委員並為副主任委員，黃葳威及羅慧雯均為委員，請同意案。（11月7日上午報告事項後）二、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢。（11月7日下午及11日）三、11月7日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
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08:31:20 - 16:55:00 |
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報告院會現在繼續開會對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢在進行質詢之前請秘書長報告部會首長請假請醒報告院會行政院來函國家發展委員會業主任委員俊賢本日應公請假由高輔主任委員先貴代表列席報告完畢 |
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今天繼續進行經濟組織質詢現在請吳委員中線質詢好 謝謝院長那我們麻煩行政院院長請卓院長備詢 |
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部委員好 院長早安好 院長我想我今天問的問題其實都是老問題啦我今天不會做任何突襲性的問題我想這也是對行政院的尊重那我先想請教院長最基本的幾個問題第一個就是如果我們這陣子 前一陣子那個閃兵啦就是不想服兵這個問題啊 就是 |
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新聞報蠻多的嘛那我想請教一下如果有異男覺得兵役法這個制度這個法律違憲那限制他的人身自由自己就決定拒絕入伍請問一下院長這個有沒有問題他有沒有這個權利說因為我認為違憲我申請釋憲所以我現在拒絕入伍可以嗎中華民國憲法規定必須服兵役是國人應盡的義務所以服兵役這一次這一件事情 |
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沒有違憲的空間 不行這樣講喔有沒有違憲不是我們人民或院長您說了算是大法官才可以說了算所以我請教您如果有意難決的兵役法違憲他認為限制了他的自由權利那這個時候他說我申請釋憲了要拒絕入伍請問院長可不可以我就跟委員把答覆過了依照中華民國憲法國人有服兵役的義務 |
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所以服兵役這件事情很單純沒有違憲的空間委員不要用這件事情想要印證你不要用這件事情想要印證其他的事實院長我們不是大法官你不能說憲法規定在那裡所以他就是怎麼做就是可以或不可以你不是大法官嘛正常的情況是他申請釋憲之後 |
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然後現在法庭 大法庭他認為說這個東西沒有違憲對不對 是這樣子才對嘛您不能自己擔任大法官就說這樣子啊所以你沒有給我答案好 那我再問你第二個問題啦如果人民覺得納稅 稅捐基增法違憲限制了他的財產的自由處分權請問一下 他申請 |
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稅捐基金法違憲之後可不可以就不繳稅請問一下據我所知稅捐基金法相關的規定你要申請任何的救濟應該要履行他必要的條件你還是沒回答我的問題啊我現在因為委員的問題現金很多 |
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報告院長您也是法律系畢業的您也是檢察官出身的法律未接憲法法律命令我現在在跟你討論的是憲法未接你不要再跟我講法律未接的究竟好不好所以院長你不要在那邊誤導大家啦 |
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我哪一件誤導大家我跟議長報告一件 我跟你說你不要誤導大家我現在跟你談論憲法層級的東西你不要再跟我講稅宣激增法的究竟那個是法律層級好 那我請教你還是這個問題你還是沒回答我如果人民認為稅法違憲他申請釋憲了可不可以就從此不繳稅請問一下院長可以或不可以 請議院長採釋 |
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繳稅也是一樣我們政府依法科徵人民稅各種的稅都是法律有依據的所以法律有依據的情況之下人民繳稅這也是一種義務院長我跟你講你現在講的東西全國很多法律人都在聽 |
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那你一定要把憲法 我在跟你談憲法位階你一定要拉到法律位階 好吧那就是院長因為委員透過質詢第三個問題請教如果今天有一個人被判決確定有罪要入監服刑那這時候他認為我國刑法或刑事訴訟法嚴重違憲侵害他的人身自由權而申請釋憲他可不可以說我拒絕入監服刑因為我已經申請釋憲了 請問院長 |
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任何人被法律判決確定有罪那就是法律最後的定義謝謝院長一直在談法律那我也在您一直講法律對不對立法院三讀通過的也叫法律但是我今天看到有一位院長您剛剛一直說法律有規定所以人民必須遵守那我們今天立法院三讀通過的法律你也不遵守啊 |
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因為立法院通過的法律案預算案大幅增加行政院的稅出沒有徵詢行政院沒有指出這個資金的來源這個都違反了憲法跟預算法我一而再再而三提醒大院各位委員 |
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吳委員你是法律出身你應該清楚你不要為了政治目的置法律於不顧院長請你不要因為政治目的而不編列去年7月11號我主持以及去年7月16號韓院長主持的會議立法院的意思錄記載得非常的清楚內政部 警政署都有派員列席所以不要在那邊誤導國人說沒有徵詢了啦不要再繼續騙了啦 |
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你有沒有指出實際的來源你有沒有進行必要的修法都沒有啊院長說一下依據我國憲法訴訟法我想我們直接列訴訟法條文給院長好了啦 |
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第52條違憲判決認定是違憲之前這個法律就是完全生效總統已經公布了完全升上行政院就必須依法行政行政院長沒有那種理由說我認為違憲所以我不做再來你上一次你跟張祺凱在那邊虧張祺凱說你是全中華民國第一個不懂申請四憲中的這個立法委員但是我要跟您講 |
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你現在做的東西叫做暫時處分不去適用這個法律但是依據憲法訴訟法43條它也是大法官的專屬權利請問院長一個沒有被憲法判定違憲的法律您就是有遵守的義務 |
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一個已經生效的法律您就必須要遵守這個你也沒有暫時處分權為什麼大法官不能做暫時處分你為什麼要違反憲法訴訟法52條及43條為什麼大法官不能做暫時處分 |
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是你們封殺的大法官不是嗎是你們封殺的大法官不是嗎誰封殺大法官你們把人數砍成你們憲法訴訟法你們每次大法官同意權不行使同意權讓他不通過不好意思那個報告主席我們時間先暫停不好意思我們彼此相互尊重也尊重委員資訊 |
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院長不然這樣好不好我們現在我們我現在陪你我們現在時間暫停我現在陪你到總統府去請命拜託總統趕快提名大法官人選好不好我們現在去我陪你我們跟他請我們到總統府跟總統府拜託總統府不是我們想去就可以去請命請總統趕快提人選今天是總統沒有提人選到我們立法院你們現在本末倒置總統沒有提過兩次嗎 |
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提了兩次但人選有問題啊那你們為什麼要把法院人選設置成這個樣子讓大法官無法運作你講那個什麼話今天立法委員不能審查大法官人事權嗎今天立法院是總統府的立法局嗎總統提了什麼人選我只能橡皮圖章蓋同意嗎我們今天每一個大法官的候選人我們都實質的審查 |
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我的每一個我負責任的人我也實質的審查你憑什麼說我們立法院立法委員審查出來的認為不合格的大法官我有錯形式上有實質的審查事實上是黨議凌駕一切不是嗎你在那邊講那個什麼話那你今天民進黨全部都同意那是不是也黨議凌駕你可以這樣講嗎院長我今天不來這邊跟你吵架你就是來吵架的我今天問的是 |
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我今天問的是程序我講一個很簡單嘛憲法訴訟法52條43條明明白白的在那裡您就是一個違法的院長您的這個作為啊其實就只是顯示出您是個違法的院長而且你讓民進黨政府失信於民你今天是委員不是檢察官你無權在這裡說誰違法不違法 |
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我們今天三讀通過的法律你不依法執行我說過的啊你不依照憲法預算法大幅增加稅出沒有爭取行政院意見沒有指出稅金來源所以你今天又變大法官OK好沒關係你今天要當大法官那你就去當你的大法官那我請教你你講了那麼久了那你不依法編列的法律依據是什麼來請你告訴我條文依據是哪一條哪一條不依法編列 |
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不是啊 你現在那個警察人員人事條例 軍人待遇條例我說過了我們在4月27號已經刪除通過跟6月29號已經刪除通過行政院已經說過只要釋憲結果合憲我們就依法編列而且追溯如果違憲讓我們不編列如果我現在編了萬一違憲的話我變成違憲的院長我覺得您一直在兜圈子啦我講一個很簡單的沒有所謂釋憲中就可以拒絕 |
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依法行政我剛剛問你的那三個問題人民都沒有辦法因為申請失憲中而不去做這些國民的義務憲法規定的很清楚沒有違法的空間沒有違憲的空間你到現在還是告訴我不了我的法條到底依據是什麼我現在已經告訴你法條依據為何憲法訴訟法的依據為何但是偉大的行政院院長你還是告訴不了我你的法律依據為何這個就是你不依法行政 |
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全世界的民主國家有人這樣幹嗎中華民國以前歷任的行政院有人這樣幹嗎每一任法律人都知道一句話你也是法律行政院的歷屆的國會也沒有人這樣幹啊二法易法對不對 二法易法 歷屆的國會也沒有人這樣幹承認你是二法嗎 |
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惡法 議法 你覺得你是惡法嗎我沒有告訴你 不是啦我認為惡法我們必須就計我跟你講你不用在那邊耍嘴皮啦我說法律系你都懂一句話叫做惡法 議法即使你今天再厭惡這個法律你也必須依法行政委員盡可以跟國民黨講惡法 議法但是在行政院不能違憲 |
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院長 憲政制度之下向立法院負責就是你的憲政義務你今天在違憲因為你今天把立法院三讀通過的法律你不依法執行這個就是違反我國的憲政制度以及違反行政院必須向立法院負責的憲法規定立法院通過的任何法律也不能破壞憲政體制 |
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請讓大法官來講這句話不要你自己下定論大法官就被封殺啦我剛剛已經跟你講我現在可以陪你到總統府去現在是總統不願意提大法官人選請他提出來搞不好他第三波提的大法官人選我們都很喜歡 |
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所以法院不是總統府的立法局不是橡皮圖章我們必須就每一個人去嚴加審核在人事同意權上總是黨議凌駕一切行政院負責好您的義務把事情做好依法行政我的義務就是守護憲法守護國家 |
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但是你今天就是在破壞憲法制度是大院的法律通過之後破壞了憲政體制可以行政院說了算 |
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沒有我說的算 我等待大法官的解釋我沒有做定論我沒有做定論你有申請釋憲 這個都沒有問題但是在大法官宣告違憲之前依據憲法訴訟法 他就是一個有效必須遵循的法律但是你今天沒有這麼做 很遺憾的 |
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您今天就是一個違法的院長而且你讓民進黨政府私信於民您今天就是一個違法的院長而且你讓民進黨政府長期私信於民您就是一個違法的院長而且你讓民進黨政府私信於民 |
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你是立法委員你不是檢察官你無權在這裡指責任何人違法不違法所以立法院三讀通過的法律我發現有一個院長不願意執行因為你三讀通過的法律破壞了憲政體制然後我再告訴院長您一句話您今天說我不是檢察官不可以說你違法那我也反告訴您一句你不是院長你不可以說他違憲 |
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我等待大法官的決定我沒有說他違憲不違憲大法官合憲我就編違憲我就不能編所以你現在就是違反憲法訴訟法52條非常清楚了你剛這句話就是違反你回去看條文看清楚吧我跟你講這是一個法治國我們是法治國所以請依法行政結果我們連依法行政這個東西您都不願意做 |
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我也是無奈啦一個行政院卻不依法行政我跟您報告為什麼制度重要民主國家為什麼制度非常重要就是因為民主國家的政黨會不停的輪替政黨不停的輪替有不停的領導者領導的風格不一樣我們為了怕民主國家走向獨裁所以我們有一個嚴格剛性的制度在那裡 |
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不管誰執政都必須服從那個剛性的制度國家才不會大亂那今天如果說假設換了一個政黨執政假設民眾黨執政了貴黨如果立了一個服國立民的法律那民眾黨說我認為這個法律危險我不想做 |
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我等釋憲啊那這樣子國家就大亂了所以憲法訴訟法它有一定的規範就是可以下暫時處分暫時不適用的是只有大法官可以再來大法官宣告這個條文違憲之前它就是一個生效的法律我們都必須要做 |
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所以我在這邊跟院長報告如果你一直搞不清楚這個制度我在這邊剛已經把我國制度講完了那如果您不...我在這邊講得那麼清楚您還是不認同或您用您的論述我在這邊跟...懂法的人都非常清楚好沒關係這句話就你講你的我講我的啦我也跟您報告一件事我自己同學在大學當教授他之前還是研究所所長 |
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他自己打電話跟我說現在院長您是現在學生在嘲笑的對象他們在憲法課程在講五權分立的時候在講權力分立原則的時候您是學生的負面教材您是學生拿出來說既然這個東西是不對這違反權力分立我們都是法律人您第一次我質詢您的時候我一直希望你當我們中華民國的大哥可以為我們國家好好的謀福利結果我今天看到的 |
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您現在變成是法律系學生的一個嘲笑對象那如果院長您覺得你這個說法如果是有依據的話麻煩您可以發動學者來打臉我來打臉憲法訴訟法52條我都歡迎嘛但是當您講不出來只剩下就是講說我認為他違憲所以事件中所以我可以不做完全違法憲法訴訟法52條違反43條法律系的老師也曾經打電話給我認為我們應該堅守憲法的立場沒關係 |
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您這樣講法以後人民只要覺得我哪一條我覺得違憲那我申請釋憲我就不做了因為我堅守憲法這是您的說法好 謝謝院長給我們這種化時代的憲政概念你用一個法律嘗試在誤導國人這個非常嚴重 |
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你誤導國人任何行為都可以這樣來做這非常嚴重歷史自有公斷沒錯沒關係我們就在這裡歷史自有公斷你也還年輕我們未來還很長歷史自有公斷憲法訴訟法我已經講完了清清楚楚條文在哪裡好那我再請教院長那您竟然說認為大法官說核限之後你會回溯的去發放請問一下 |
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如果下個月就說合憲了那你們是要一次發還是分次發利息怎麼算我們可以先把預算準備好那希望能夠在合憲的情況底下把財源找出來把預算準備好那能夠回溯能夠一次出發就一次發但是如果前提是如果這是違憲的我當然不能變 |
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我現在發了 如果他違憲我馬上變成違憲的院長 不是嗎不是啦 院長你又在亂講話了任何法律被大法官宣告違憲之前的所有作為都是合法的你不要這樣亂講我剛一直跟你講憲法訴訟法52條嘛任何一個東西在被判決違憲之前你所有作為都合法你所有發出去的錢都是合法的啦你不要說你這樣變成違憲院長 你不要 |
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你不要這樣子說自己好不好這樣我聽了會不忍心啊你不是院長你沒有辦法了解我的心情我這樣聽了會不忍心你沒有辦法了解只要被大法庭申告違憲之前的所有作為都是合法合憲好不好謝謝院長那這樣子喔但是呢你明年你會你有沒有編一個貨有負債的準備啊貨有什麼 |
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你現在說這筆錢那萬一下個月 下下個月說合憲了那你要怎麼來的及準備那我先把預算找出來啊如果這預算需要追加我就請說大院同意追加那同意之後我們就來編但這個前提是它必須是合憲的才有後續的這些討論 |
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我剛已經講得非常的完整了我想我們今天我們兩位對於憲法以及法律的論述我想全國人民全國的法律學者都會看在眼裡當然院長您講的那句話沒錯大家叫你說要合憲不能違憲這話沒有錯 |
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我也很認同您這句話但是在...委員我說一句話您也有至於參選地方首長如果為了地方議會增加預算不經過你的同意你做何感想你這個要直接對外公道 |
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你們要趕快做 如果核限之後要怎麼分期有沒有利息 怎麼樣入帳這個你們要趕快對外公告怎麼做而不要說等到宣告核限之後然後你就匆匆忙忙 然後又搞不出東西來我是希望這樣 因為我跟您說啦很多這些貸退的人或退休的人其實他們這些錢很多都是他們很重要的家用 |
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譬如說他的醫藥費長輩的醫藥費等等的其實他們都很在意這件事情所以我想麻煩您能夠承諾兩件事情第一個就是說你要公告追溯補回的SOP如果說合憲之後的追溯補回SOP是什麼 |
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你不用很細項的講但是至少一張A4的紙論述清楚讓人民能夠安心第二個開放權利名冊供個人能夠查詢自己因為上一次我有問過那個劉世芳部長他說目前有三萬八千多名警消適用那是不是能夠讓每個人查詢一下他到底適不適用因為現在大家都一直在想說自己到底符不符合規定每個人都搞不清楚一直打電話來問也造成我的困擾 |
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那當然我很願意幫民眾查詢可是目前就是沒有查詢的管道是不是可以麻煩你能夠請那個主管機關能夠趕快把這個系統建置起來讓個人能夠查詢他個人是不是符合申請的這個發放的這個資格好不好麻煩您真的有那麼一天那麼內政部跟所有的財政單位一定會把 |
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程序跟預算準備好那下一個問題我想請問謝謝你下一個問題我還是想跟你請教一下就是說因為預算我們來看國家的預算其實國家預算一個餅就是這麼大塊那這個餅這麼大塊的情況下如果我們要用很多的特別預算或是我們某一個項目我們必須增加大量的預算的時候那勢必一定會去 |
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一定會去侵害到其他我們原本需要支付的部分所以我自己看了一下我們的國防預算當然我完全認為要支持國防而且我也請各位不要亂扣帽子因為我家老小都在台灣這塊土地上也不要懷疑我們誓死捍衛這塊土地安全的決心但是我想請教您一個問題 |
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我看到2026年這國防預算再加一些那個特別預算加起來到9000多億對不對 |
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這個東西如果說我們今天的餅就這麼大塊國家就收這麼多稅金那我想請教你你突然你在國防的部分要增加這麼多錢的情況下那我們要去從第一個當然就是用加稅的方式來解決嘛來補這個洞第二個可能就要從一些公共投資啦社福醫療教育等等的預算挪到國防 |
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我想請問一下大量增加的國防預算我們要怎麼去支付這個錢我們現在的國防預算今年來看達到3.32%未來我們逐年朝5%來增加這個是基於兩個原因一個是國家財政的能力第二是國防的需求 |
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那我們也沿走財政紀律所以未來勢必要如果這樣做的話勢必要調整支出結構對就是您剛講的嘛調整支出結構所以這個錢到最後只能從公共建設、社福、醫療、教育等等那一方面還有更多的不同項目裡面去挖錢過來但是這個部分你們要明確的告訴人民 |
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我們大量的購買武器大量的支出國防預算甚至總統說2030年要到GDP的5%那算起來就相當於1.43兆那這個等於是我國國家總預算的一半都要花在國防上面那我不是說國防不重要國防非常重要但是我一直覺得說我們要強化國防這百分之百一定要的但是我們必須買 |
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台灣是適合用的武器而且要買購這我絕對支持第二個我們要買能夠交貨的武器這是我認為我對於國防採購的一個最基本的想法第一個買台灣適合用的武器而且要買購第二個要買會交貨的武器這個很重要那因為 |
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等到2030年要大拉到GDP5要搞到1.43兆國家一半的錢都拿去國防一半沒有啦沒有到一半了不到一半啦當然你精算不到一半啦但是四成有吧好那像這個狀況下你今天你要怎麼我說你必須你會排擠到其他的東西嘛但是上次沈伯陽委員 |
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光是普發人民一萬現金這件事情要2400億他就說窮台了配合中國大陸解放軍要窮台要讓他們進攻台灣結果我們如果搞了1.43兆的話那這個會不會造成窮台其實我自己的擔心因為我剛講的自主防衛極端的重要我百分之百支持但是如果排擠掉讓台灣越來越窮我們的年輕人越來越沒有希望或我父母他們的醫療 |
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能夠接受到醫療的品質越來越差或我小孩的受教越來越不行我是擔心這個點不要說我擔心這個點就是我阻礙國防其實沒有我積極的百分之百的認同要增加國防就像我剛講的軍人的薪水您知不知道軍人的薪水因為我們三讀通過之後軍校很多他們招生是滿編的都是創之前很多年來這今年是招生狀況最好的 |
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因為今年我們有增加了171億包括追加預算的60億在內增加了171億當我們一直要增加國防預算的同時其實 |
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軍人的薪水也是國防預算的一部分今年我們增加了171億所以是不是我們增加軍人的薪水讓他們在國內交費刺激經濟更好而不是買爆武器那買爆武器能不能夠帶來最後的和平其實我個人是質疑啦那您在這個院長的任內其實人家說您是史上最愛富裕的院長而且您的任內其實有四個特別預算同時在執行 |
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之前已經規劃了現在在執行或是有在規劃中有四個其實我算了一下大概1.2到1.5兆之間其實還蠻驚人的所以我們必須要替人民看守荷包我們還知道一件事情就是說國家的預算如果你是用特別條例的方式去做的話特別預算的話因為它是借錢 |
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你借錢是人民要還感覺是什麼就像我今天去吃喝玩樂結果帳單丟給我兒子去繳那我現在就擔心說請問一下這樣子狀況下你有沒有在任內能夠把這些特別預算借的錢還清的這個計畫我們每年依照最近的剩餘都必須依法來 |
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返還債務 這個都是依法在進行的所以每年都有固定的比例要返還債務所以說您那類是一定還不完所以我在這邊跟院長報告當我們對於我們的軍工教警消他們的待遇 他們的退休金我們這麼跟他們斤斤計較的時候但是我們對於國外採購的武器他遲不交貨 |
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這個東西你們卻束手無策或者是我們今天一個前件也是一直沒有達到他交件的這個期程其實我們是很難過因為這每一筆都是幾千億百億千億的事情那這個東西大家好像不是很在乎可是對於我國的軍工匠我們卻一再的跟他跟他這樣子計較 |
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我想院長你還是要特別注意我們當然在乎 我跟委員說我們第一個考慮是財政的能力第二個考慮是國防的需求就是在財政永續 世代正義跟國防實力底下我們依照這個財政紀律來考量 |
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國防最重要的三個要素人、裝備、維護這三個東西我們考量的是整個國家的需求買爆武器、買爆維護但是人不夠不行啦國防有需要當然要武器啊您可以否認嗎我們現在軍方的邊線比狀況不佳您可以否認嗎 |
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但是敵人對我的威脅日益增強我們必須增強實力強化國防 國防的三個重要的面向人 設備 維護三者必須均衡很謝謝委員能夠有這樣的體認 |
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三者必須均衡 國防的實力我看到的是什麼5萬塊買一張椅子 120塊買一瓶水那刪了50億我們爆料出來了 好像才刪了這50億但是這50億其實拿來加薪有多好我跟您講啦就是說我還是一個想法啦國防我絕對支持啦但是國家安全不能夠帶來財政崩潰也不能帶來民生排擠我們第一個考量的是財政實力啊我們的財政能力必須先考量啊 |
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這很多的特別預算這個是債留子孫你也知道嘛你任內是還不完的這個會債留子孫包括馬太安西的特別預算你也有意見嗎什麼包括馬太安西的特別預算你也有意見嗎我現在在跟你談國防你跟我扯馬太安西你說我搞了很多特別預算啊 |
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好啦 隨便你啦因為我們在意的是整個國家的財政紀律我所在意的是整個國家的財政紀律我不能只考慮五顆雞蛋或三顆雞蛋我不是在考慮那兩顆雞蛋的問題啦今天大家都有眼睛有耳朵我在跟你談國防的特別預算 您再跟我談嘛你說我搞了很多特別預算啊要不要再談生育補助 要不要再談租屋津貼 |
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你說我搞了很多特別預算最後我想朱溫的問題我們還是要提一下朱溫的問題爆發之後其實我有提了幾個跟大家想法不一樣就是說我們發現其實邊境走私的數量查獲的數量我有去查過去10年其實是遠高於民眾從國外帶入或者是自行申報或是被查獲 |
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然後再來我們也發現一個狀況就是廚餘到底該怎麼處理這個也是一個很大的問題再來司法也嚴重的侵犯這個我都開過記者會把實際案例都提出來了所以現在一個問題這些東西其實是中央管當然不是都行政院但這些東西很多是中央管的可是今天我們看到爆發了這件事情結果台中盧秀恩院長他後來有出來 |
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那個道歉而且有對幾個一級主管有下人事的命令那中央到目前為止似乎反正錯落地方然後就推給地方那我覺得反正民進黨常發生事情之後第一件事就是推責任千錯萬錯都不是我的錯但是我想 |
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時間不長了我提兩個東西部長我沒有問你問題時間暫停部長請尊重我在質詢的權利好嗎沒有問你問題我沒有問你問題謝謝部長部長我想兩大問題廚餘還有獸醫的問題廚餘的部分確實很難解決 |
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那我也看到過去其實行政院農業部其實有編列預算讓大家去日本考察那日本他其實有一個環保飼料的做法當然他是不是適合我國我也想請大家看一下那再來就是獸醫的部分因為現在從事農牧場的獸醫其實就占我國獸醫的5.75%那是不是能夠增加一些誘因讓獸醫願意留下來為我們防疫盡力我想麻煩部長麻煩院長能夠參考 |
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好 謝謝兩位兩位辛苦了好 謝謝吳委員下一位我們請賴瑞榮委員賴委員之質詢已書面提出請行政院書面答覆並列入記錄刊登公報下一位請顏寬榮委員質詢 |
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主席 各位本院同仁及列席官員大家早主席有請行政院卓院長請卓院長備詢院委員好院長早 |
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院長台中火力發電廠在我的選區5支煙囪10部燃煤機組那10部燃煤機組的總裝置容量是550萬千瓦依照經濟部的規劃直到2034年會再多出6部燃氣機組那現在的這個燃氣機組的部分每部裝置容量為130萬千瓦所以6部總共是780萬千瓦 |
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中火目前這10部燃煤機組是全國最大也是全世界第4名的燃煤電廠依照環境部公布的數據中火是台中市排放大戶PM2.5排放占台中市固定污染源的13.5%硫氧化物占台中市的66.1%氮氧化物排放占65.6%說了這麼多 我們就是要看到說 |
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中火的燃煤機組的拆除計畫有沒有 全面的拆除計畫不要零星的 不要片面的 |
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請部長能夠詳細說明我知道它是一個燃氣機組會幾乎等於兩部的燃煤機組所以一個燃氣機組蓋好之後它會拆掉兩個燃煤機組我們現在看到的是時間確實在網路上面公告的時間是說2025年要開始拆2025跟2026要拆掉兩部機對 但是問題是2025已經快結束了 |
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2026所以這樣子的我們要看到的是期程不是只有時間拆除計畫其實我跟這個台電這邊所知已經一個禮拜了如果有拆除計畫應該早就在手上不會拖了那麼久還沒有表示沒有這個計畫是不是這樣 |
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八號委員我們就是在規劃在一起的兩部的新的燃氣機組因為新的燃氣上來以後我知道嘛就是說燃氣上來我們的南美才會除液第一步第二步就把它拆掉是沒有說你現在說的就好像時間就是沒有計畫沒有計畫所以現在其實從一開始 |
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在地方在跟民眾說明台電拍胸部保證說一氣換一美而且保證拆除當時民眾我們的鄉親為了要讓減少空污讓這個政策可以趕快落實所以也都相信了但是我們近期看到的是高雄大林電廠已經除役的5號機 |
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偷偷的重啟啊被抓包啊那另外新達電廠他已經除役了另外新達電廠三四號機也是在半年前就重啟了所以你現在跟人家講說除役除役備用但是還是重啟啊所以你沒有拆除的話你現在跟民眾承諾了民眾不相信我跟你講就是因為這些事件 |
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還發生了公安意外所以民眾已經不相信政府的承諾就是說你跟他講說除役除役之後可是緊急備用又偷偷的重啟所以這樣子的情況民眾要看到的時候拆除所以我們看到你們提供的這個期審時間表 |
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基礎上來以後穩定以後沒有做嘛沒有做嘛2025現在已經11月了2022要來所以我在這邊我是希望院長要請院長跟台電要求我們這個一個完整的採取計畫 |
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細部的 計畫怎麼做 請台電提供好不好台電有很清楚的時程的規劃我還要求說不能到2034要往前拉你現在裡面有25 26 31 32 3334到2034年了 還那麼多年了中間有空了好幾年空檔 我希望他往前拉 |
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你說的2025第一步機箱沒動2034年會達成完全無美但是之前的那個行程就是他的程序我們會做一些規劃我跟你講就是說你們這些騎乘這樣子但是沒有辦法說服民眾因為沒有看到作為沒有看到作為所以我們現在說了2025就還沒動2025已經快時間過了所以當初台電民眾的質疑就是說 |
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用騙的去讓他們承諾去答應以燃氣換燃煤其實我們要的是真正落實拆除而不只是廚藝所以我想在這邊跟委員報告新的燃氣機組正在加緊的 |
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裝置當中只要新的燃氣機組好了那麼1、2號燃煤機組就會拆除那你完整的計劃要出來啊這沒有欺騙我所知要不到資料嘛如果你有計劃 計劃應該早就做好啦就是現在 新的燃氣機組 |
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這個目前施工的進度到什麼程度頂台電給出拆除計畫讓台中市民才能夠安心不然不要口號不要讓人家覺得說偷偷重啟也是你說要拆除的也是你那個不是偷偷啦 沒有啦那個是允許的 法律上允許的啦在緊急狀況的時候它稍微運轉而已啦那現在沒有緊急的狀況平常它是不會運轉的 |
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那我再跟你問一下接下來我要問的就是說台中火力發電廠未來還要除了這些燃氣的機組之外還要增設天然氣儲氣槽那目前中火是不是有計畫要增加這個部分有沒有有沒有計畫跟進度 |
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目前有的是現有的六座加上在建的兩座還有通過的四座所以台中港區已經有12座的儲氣槽現在正在環評在環評就是台電的部分在環評台中港部分接收站的部分整個就是在環評當中環評有通過嗎 |
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還沒有還沒有通過打算要送還沒送出去打算要送現在台中港區包括龍井沙鹿烏日這一帶整個海線的民眾都在擔心說到底我家門口會有幾座儲氣槽到底安不安全所以說安全這個部分沒有發生意外過不是我跟你講 |
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報告如果出來了台電未來申請的要增設的這些儲氣槽的計畫如果出來請給本席辦公室也要提醒我在這邊提醒部長一定要 |
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跟當地所有的居民做一個良好的溝通不只是溝通啦還要宣導未來的風險可能風險在哪裡怎麼樣預防突發的事件不會在居民的附近會比較遠離居民的地方你有到現場看過嗎 |
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你沒有去嘛 你怎麼知道遠離居民我們就生活在那個地方我跟你講 台中港區 下那個勒那個大型的那個Outlet呢Outlet就在旁邊啊 那每天出入多少人啊對不對 所以我跟你講部長 我們要實地去了解關於這些預防的事情我跟台電要的資料 光從111年 |
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到現在就有八起的公安事故台電這是有通報的包含未通報的不知道有多少台電未來要在這邊興建多座的天然氣儲氣槽再加上原有已經設置的 |
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再建的再加上通過的已經有12座了那台電未來現在正在環評的要增加多少這些東西都集中在台東港區我每一次總質詢我都關心台電的狀況因為以氣換煤的話一定要有接收站跟 |
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這當然嘛 沒有錯嘛所以台灣的部分也不是全部集中在不是 你們要增加這個三接的觀塘也好你們要增加儲存量來設置儲氣槽這個部分然後降低供應中斷的風險但是這個風險不可以讓民眾來承受啊讓整個海線來承受所以我說你事前的防範事前的一個宣導這個是最重要的 |
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署警準備不可少啦但是一旦我們都不希望發生任何事故但是如果一旦發生了那絕對不是小事情民眾承受不起啦沒有人可以承受 政府也承受不起那所以這些東西不可由海線的居民來承擔相關的配套一定要到位不管是怎麼樣 安全的評估是第一的民眾的安全是第一的永遠比發電更重要 |
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再來我再請教我們今年7月份在台中烏日海線這個豪大雨發生了幾次豪大雨不知道院長有沒有注意但是對於當地的居民這個2008年卡梅基颱風對於整個中台灣的重創 |
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尤其在大渡烏日地區那個水患非常嚴重也全國造成了20人的死亡這個損失無法估計那也造成很多家庭的破碎所以對當地人民來說可以說是歷歷在目那種悲慘的教訓 心中非常害怕我跟台中市水利局討論過相關的案件透過資料我們知道說所有的這些抽水站運作都是正常的 |
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大理溪、烏溪部分包括漱王碑抽水站、五峒嶺抽水站、中興抽水站、澳威抽水站、光明抽水站等等抽水量都正常但是我們發現問題了就是說這些 |
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排水出去的河川它的水位比淹水地區還高已經高過淹水區所以等於說抽出來水要排出去排不出去排不出去之後包括大渡區的山陽大排也出現這樣的狀況之前南部的颱風南部的風災水災也是這樣子的狀況所以我在這邊要請院長是不是請我們經濟部跟部長要求水利署 |
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做一個通盤的檢討針對全國全國這個國內多處抽水後排水的河川地勢高於淹水地區的這整個河川流域我們都要做全體的一個規劃可不可以院長 部長來 部長 |
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因為這一次的728豪雨的確是比平常大很多我們治水的平均標準都超過這的確是這樣這個當然是氣候變遷的影響我們現在的確也因為這樣子院長給我們的四年一千億來就是地方政府協助地方政府所有整治的治水的部分縣市館河川還包括 |
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集水區的淨流分擔或者是滯洪池的部分我們會全部盤點起來現在有關於台中的部分在2025年11月10號我們經過審查以後會利用如果公有地的部分我們先來施作因為你私有地還是要徵收但是公有的部分如果可以做淨流分擔的部分我們就先做 |
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河川流域大多數都是公有地都是河川地 對不對所以你怎麼會說這種情況我們台風又到了 鳳凰颱風現在對台灣又產生新的一個威脅所以這個事情不是我們現在講你們現在回應是應該事前就要準備預防所以現在我剛剛提到的烏日大都地區的光是這兩處就有好多處是 |
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抽水排放的河川水位高於這個淹水區所以這部分不是只有台中會發生各地都在發生都呈現出來經濟部水利署一直有準備所以剛剛部長所說的就是未來四年我們用縣市管河川改善的計畫 |
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繼續將這個地方比方說滯洪池增加實際上過去為什麼有做到前瞻建設裡面也有做到這個抽水式的移動式的抽水站移動式的抽水站是沒有說是可以調度的可以調度但是大型的抽水站本身就有那個需求所以他才會設計才會有整個河川的流量那個排水量他們才會去設計這個抽水站對不對 |
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這個移動式的當然也要再增加由現場發生的時候在發生當下由指揮中心來做一個調度這個都合理的這個本來就有在做所以為什麼現在我講的是說它的水位已經高過淹水區了水位高過淹水區它怎麼抽你再多的抽水區也抽不出去所以為什麼要淨流分攤就是這樣沒有辦法完全集中在某一個地方的集水區我想這個要 |
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我們請院長 部長我們把一定要關心要放在這裡因為現在我們賣咖啡還比較少因為極端氣候我們的力道要加強跟地方的合作要更多不只颱風光是我們現在的一個 |
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這樣子的一個極端氣候強降雨就會造成我們這個人口新興地區還有這一些部分的一個行政區都會造成淹水為什麼 因為雨水下水道不足過去幾十年前的這個都市計畫排水計畫已經無法來滿足我們現在的一個城市發展那有一些包括我們台中市過去台中縣海縣山城屯區它不是在一個完整的都市計畫內 |
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所以我們很多地方已經人口聚集非常多但是它還是沒有這種雨水下水道所以這個部分我知道這個水利署這邊還有我們營建署這一邊他們都有在加強 有在跟進但是我希望院長跟部長我們可以制定一個專案一個計畫針對我們這個國內我們現在尤其六都包含這些縣市人口新興的地區 |
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人口新興的地區 新的發展區那對於雨水下水道的部分來做一個更全面的規劃然後協助地方政府來更多的預算 |
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好 謝謝 謝謝閻委員 謝謝卓院長下一位下一位我們請林楚英委員質詢謝謝主席 主席有請卓院長好 請卓院長備詢 |
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委員長早安 剛剛看到國民黨的委員非常的關心有關於違憲或者是合憲等等的問題我們造憲的立法院就是藍白立委占多數不知道院長知不知道在上個禮拜三禮拜四司法法治委員會在召委翁曉琳的排審之下 |
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要針對停止年改這個法案他們以人數的多數其實現在已經送出委員會了我請這個院長來看一下現在這個最新的民調其實剛剛特別講到的就是現在立法院的狀況大家都知道藍白戰多數的情況底下沒有什麼法案他們不能過只有他們不想過想過的全部強度關山這已經是這一屆立法院來講已經是一個常態了 |
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所以說我們來看一下在當時發生什麼狀況昭偉 翁曉琳甚至於認為說充分討論是一個惡習所以限制了民進黨委員的發言要求一個人只能三分鐘但是以他們現在想要透過強度關山恢復過去所謂的軍公教年改的這種所謂反年改的 |
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報告來講的話現在這個法條過關最新的民調當中有59%的人將近6成是願意繼續來做年改而只有31%的認為要停止如果在這個物價上漲要停止軍公教的替代率嗎也有5成認為不同意 |
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原因就在於大家都知道我們今天這一組剛好是經濟組的質詢如果國庫破產它所造成的不只是世代不正義行業間的退休金不正義整個國家的財政也會拖垮所以說我不知道院長怎麼來看就是當藍白目前的規劃 |
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我們的國戶真的負擔得起的嗎真的像國民黨的委員所講的只是提早四年破產對於國家沒有關聯是這樣嗎 |
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所以任何法案的完成它除了必須遵守憲法的規定之外同時更應該考慮是國家的財政永續從2018年開始整個年改經過社會大家非常大的討論其實那時候正反方向的力量都很大 |
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但是當時選擇了一個我們必須要走的一條路所以走到今天我們能夠稍稍看到整個國家財政能夠繼續的下去雖然未來他有可能有一天會遇到困難但是我們在之前有充裕的時間可以做更多的經濟努力 |
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更多的國人共識但是驟然把它停止讓它未來發生困難時往前提都會造成國家財政上重大的缺漏在目前為止我認為現在所行的制度是讓新的公務員有所保障已經退休的公務員生活也有所依靠應該是一個穩定的社會制度 |
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本席會特別拿民調出來就是國庫就是人民的納稅錢一旦如果遇到破產的狀況那就是拿全民的納稅錢來補雖然現在的立法院藍白佔多數但是不要忘了他們是民意代表必須以民意為依歸而本席在這裡特別提出來也是支持行政院院長剛剛卓院長您所講的那就是世代的正義很重要不能讓 |
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現在的公務員面對擔憂也不能讓行業之間因為退休金的給付造成不公平另外一個本席所關注到的問題那就更可怕了因為我們今天當然是經濟組但是面對現在以藍白為多數尤其是最大的在野黨的黨主席 |
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如果是配合中國在進行所謂的幫共諜洗白或者是洗歷史這件事情那麼這將是非常可怕的一個狀況喔其實之前就已經有媒體先報導了就是國民黨的現任主席鄭麗文要去所謂馬場町配合這個所謂的秋季而這個秋季是一個所謂的統戰團體所 |
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舉辦的活動而中國可以說最近有一個大陸劇很夯中國劇很夯那麼他其實就是在講無時這一個人但是如果說今天無時是誰無時他是一個被列為所謂共諜而且是當時的蔣介石認為扎扎實實的共諜但現在這個共諜居然是由國民黨的黨主席去追思他 |
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配合王滬寧所下立的社台系統都要學習無時的精神沒有想到第一個帶頭去配合學習無時精神的居然是國民黨的黨主席啊我在想如果蔣介石在慈湖地下有知可能都要爬出來跟鄭麗文拼個是非對錯 |
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他認為的共諜當時可能讓中華民國差一點就被消失的無時現在居然是一個最大在黨的黨主席來去所謂祭拜他這個部分怎麼 |
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院長你怎麼看你認為這個會不會就是一個所謂的統戰已經進入了台灣而且是扎扎實實的敵我不分配合中國的涉台中共的涉台系統在學習無時在幫忙共諜洗白在幫忙中國來設下他的史觀來洗台灣民眾 |
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是的 根文報告 無時是共諜共諜的工作在當時就是消滅國民黨而且要把台灣完全的納於中國共產黨的統治當中也就是要用中國的共產黨的集權統治來取代國民黨的黨國體制而且要消滅國民黨 |
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身為國民黨的主席應該了解歷史而且知道目前的現實中國的北京方面已經要求他的涉台人員要學習無時精神這個就是要加強最對台的統治所以 |
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這樣的一個去參加活動的行為剛剛呼應了這樣一個加強對台要統戰的一個工作所以我認為保護中華民國跟保護台灣主權安全的這項工作在現在國民黨主席帶領之下的國民黨是不可能做到的但是政府要積極跟全國 |
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民主自由的政黨跟國人一起努力合力把台灣2300萬的國人一起努力把台灣的主權安全護衛的責任要扛在我們自己的手上好 我非常認同院長這樣講因為就在鄭麗文去祭拜五十的同時禮拜五的深夜我們看到的是我們的蕭美琴副總統站上了國際舞台在歐中議會當中為台灣發聲 |
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而就在這個同時的另外一邊台灣的國內如果在野黨的主席是在遵從所謂國台辦或者是王滬寧系統下令要來配合所謂的學習無時精神這真的會造成國際的錯亂所以我非常認同院長所講的那就是台灣堅守自由民主這一塊 |
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而台灣就是台灣的這個部分其實是要讓全世界知道我那天也很感慨蕭副總統站上的是國際舞台跟國民黨的黨主席站上的是國共舞台這差太多了當我們在國際舞台上為台灣出聲的時候還有很多人在酸言酸語 |
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但是這些人對於國民黨的主席站上國共舞台加強對台統戰的時候卻是沉默的不敢發出聲音這個就是台灣今天極大的一個社會的一個現象所以政府還是我強調那一句我們應該結合更多的自由民主認同的政黨跟國人一起堅守立場守護台灣的主權跟安全 |
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我相信多數的國人也會非常認同院長所講的守護我們這一片的土地是要靠我們自己包括剛剛國民黨的委員不斷的在質疑國防預算的部分我也很希望這個他們只是堅守所謂立委監督而不是配合中國希望來降低台灣的國防自主的防衛的能力 |
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但是另外有一個是我們一方面注意到的是中國正在透過洗歷史的方式正在進行思想的統戰或思想的滲透但是另外一個無聲的戰爭其實正在台灣那就是所謂的經濟滲透這個部分我可能就要請經濟部長一起上台來喔就是其實我們看到 |
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中國透過無聲的中資入侵不斷地來進入入侵台灣的經濟市場台灣的經濟好 全民有感包括現在已經開始要普發一萬了但是如果這些經濟入侵沒有好好的去根本解決包括我們看到的佳麗大榮的這個所謂紅色的運輸倉儲鏈是不是滲透台灣還有太子集團的所謂九家工科公司來進行所謂的跨國洗錢 |
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含有中資的全真瑜家館現在以這個中國企業規避百分之三十的門檻掏空台灣的企業還有今天剛好是11月11號我們所在乎的就是跨境電商中國是不是利用跨境電商包括免運 |
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包括2000以下的這種所謂小額的這種所謂跨境電商免稅的方式正在侵襲臺灣的零售產業這些問題追根究柢其實真的都跟工部長有關而部長真的也必須要花心思來思考這一連串中國透過經濟滲透所造成影響臺灣的問題但是本席要來追的是一個我其實在這個會期特別已經質詢過 |
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這個國安局跟退府會就是有關於這個加里大龍的部分加里大龍最近很紅為什麼因為在非洲豬瘟大家在防疫的時候這一間貨運公司居然公然的要規避有關於 |
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在了疑似感染株枝這樣的貨運要規避調查所以被高雄市政府裁拔了300萬而這家公司他到底負責了哪些部分就是我們當時在做全民防衛任性的時候他在有關於醫療冷鏈的部分是由這一家公司來負責而當時我在詢問退府會的時候閻德發主委特別告訴我那就是未來 |
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榮總的系統不會再跟這樣的家裡大榮具有中資背景的來做合作會在合約上加注而蔡明彥國安局長也在我質詢當中的時候特別點出來就是會把有關於家裡大榮具有中資背景以及後面他的母公司是跟中國的解放軍有其關聯的部分要交給經濟部那麼我現在就請 |
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院長跟經濟部來看那就是加里大榮的部分確實他跟中國的解放軍尤其是空軍他簽署了軍民融合的戰略合作的決議言下之意加里大榮 |
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他雖然現在進入了台灣市場但是他背後的母公司是有中資背景存在那麼在這個部分院長你怎麼看不要忘了這個有關於冷鏈供應鏈甚至於是我們的醫藥鏈對於如果戰爭的時候醫藥往哪裡送節點在哪裡配置在哪裡如果今天中國 |
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資金進入台灣的所謂的醫療產業鏈甚至於運輸產業鏈這將是一個非常危險的事情政府有義務保護所有合法在台灣設立公司所有的商業行為縱然他背後有任何的資金的疑慮他只要合乎我們的法律在這裡設立我們都有義務保護他的合法商業行為但是如果他的行為經過我們的國安單位 |
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認為他已經觸犯了國安相當的疑慮那國安單位也寄出了所謂的這種禁令或是要求我們提醒注意的話那我想政府機關則無旁貸我會要求政府機關在國安單位這樣的一個明確的調查清楚之後對於包括這家貨運公司在內如果真的屬實如此那我們一律禁止 |
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我要特別請這個工部長來回答是因為我在10月8號10月15號分別都質詢了退府會跟國安局那麼我想問一下經濟部現在對於家裡的體系裡面的股權結構跟實質投資的來源有沒有啟動內部的重新調查分兩個程式來調查第一個我們現在重新檢視他的股權結構就像你講的 |
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層次非常多可能會有規避的狀況即便是股權表面上如果看起來是沒有問題的話我們也會調查他是不是有實質控制權利 |
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如果中國的黨政軍也好或者是中資有實質控制權力即便它只有一股的話我們也會禁止把它當作是中資來辦第二個就是剛剛提到這些問題還沒有釐清之前我們就是剛剛提到比較敏感性的包括藥物還有 |
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這些我們就暫停不讓他來運作就是不讓他來乘坐我們的物流最後我要提醒的就是有關於中資跟橋外資的重要的產業鏈投資的部分我也希望經濟部能夠重新來檢討因為有關於大陸地區人民來台投資的這個條例是在2012年釋定的而這個是正面表列就是可以投資哪些 |
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另外有關於橋外資他是用負面表列的方式他是在2018年制定的就是列入哪些不可以投資但是不論是2012或是2018隨著現在整體的情勢國際的情況的不同我認為這兩個所謂的不論是正面表列或是負面表列都應該要重新來檢討 |
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好 謝謝林委員好 謝謝卓院長下一位我們請賴世保委員質詢謝謝主席 江副院長 卓院長各位先進有請卓院長 |
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請卓院長備選院長 你早這個我看你今天有點火氣不過我先講一下我沒有請你回答不要回答好不好讓我話講完你再回答那麼今天看到你面對媒體問你 |
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說王世堅點名 王偉恩點名說你來選台北市長你用俏皮的說是你選一次回答我是覺得你被王世堅吃豆腐王世堅另外一句話講什麼95%講完連任他就吟下詩意就是他推薦鄭麗君推薦左龍泰當炮灰你當然不要當炮灰啊我這樣講法對吧 |
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要問王委員本身的意見你不要問我 我怎麼知道你同意不同意 王委員這種講法就是吃你豆腐啦他都說95%一定是講萬安當權連任所以他等於你已經當炮灰啊王委員的意思要問他 要問我的話第一個我不會是炮灰 我也不會是豆腐 |
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被吃豆腐 我都替你難過一個院長被吃豆腐他跟你說 家族5%一定是蔣安安當選我不要選 他不要當炮灰他講其他理由 推薦一個叫曾立軍或者朱龍泰好啦 你不好回答就不要回答了齁但是 我告訴你你被吃豆腐 因為你要當炮灰然後我們來看 |
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現在來講 大家很關心的 總預算還沒有入圍啊你一直講說你不要當違憲的院長 言猶哉當初我們在推說普發現金一萬你也說違憲 後來你也發了啊你也發了啊 我們來看喔因為我們經過法律的調整我沒有請你回答 不要回答 |
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我們依法不依法編列三讀通過的軍人加薪給志願役加薪我們買這麼多武器我們當然希望我們的志願役的人越來越多而且現在的一個編憲比八成左右 |
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而且有1.2萬的人他寧願被罰他都不要當兵了不然怕死了對不對結果警消退休預算也通過了你也不要影響是什麼現在卡住了喔總預算卡住了卡住了我們要呼籲嘛那我們跟美國不一樣美國今天的國會美國的政府關門 |
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關門40天 他解套了因為他們沒有像台灣這麼厲害我們的憲法 我們這裡法律很厲害 |
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新的預算沒有通過 預算沒有通過舊的可以用好了 但新的不可以用哪幾個不會增加經濟部今天增加383億國花費只有增加0.6億農業部增加49億國防部增加938但是如果加上特別預算國防部增加的是3000億之多你講過一句話 |
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這句我覺得是對的你說我要找韓院長找立法院韓院長來溝通一下是不是解決一個看一個怎麼樣有一個solution請問你到現在為止有找韓院長嗎我跟韓院長在重要的時刻我們都有溝通如果針對委員所提的這件事情我認為我在總諮詢結束的前後應該跟韓院長有正式的一個談話大概什麼時候 |
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總諮詢結束的前後 下禮拜就結束了對啊 那也要看韓院長的時間啊儘快齁 奇怪 照理講是你們要擠啊我們替你擠啊 奇怪咧如果韓院長同意啊如果韓院長同意 我也想請委員一起來參加我跟你講啊 院長啊你要逼我們擠啊 現在怎麼說我們在擠呢我們覺得不能這個國家整個停擺美國就停擺了40天 |
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10%以上的航班整個都是霧點他的圖書館沒有人管這個公園沒有人管很慘但我們因為我們的法律訂的比較好 |
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舊的預算可以用新的沒問題所以以前也有發生過啊到隔年的10月5月中預算才通過這個都不好啦我希望院長我們一起來努力好不好我們一起來努力大家努力啦我們一起來努力你要做一個守規矩的院長啦你不要動不動講違憲違憲不違憲不是你的權利喔也不是你講的算因為我在講你剛回答了前面的委員說這個違憲我不要當違憲院長 |
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普發現金一萬開始你也說違憲啊 後來你也發了啊後來經過我們修正啊經過行政院修正之後那是依照行政院的版本再發的我們請那個部長一起來哪一位部長經濟部長美國關稅的下一步 |
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總統說台美談判會有好的進展那是10月22號快一個月囉昨天我到委員會問了我們公務部長哇他這個打太激情了那個樣子打太激情了我說什麼時候可以搞定台美關稅不要20加N不要疊加什麼時候可以搞定國務院長說快了快了我現在問左院長什麼時候可以搞定左院長 |
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我們都有什麼時候可以搞定我們雖然都沒有到美國我們都有實際參與整個作業我們認為現在已經到了最後的階段因為全世界也剩下台灣這句話一個月以前就說過了我跟你講美國政府停擺你也知道的你也知道美國政府停擺所以他很多事情也停下來了 |
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那個高層沒有停擺你不要隨便亂講你看喔我們是最早跟美國談的四個國家之一台灣你看喔全市民到現在人家都定了韓國定了日本定了台灣沒有定了 |
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有一個說法是說那川習會之後才定那APEC他們見面呢也沒有定難道要等到明年4月才定他們明年4月才見面呢難道是這樣子嗎 |
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台美雙方都希望能夠盡快的把盡快是什麼時候年底可以嗎這個不是我方一方的意願我說我算個時間這個結果是什麼剛剛委員說我跟海運長見面我可以說我有個期待的時間但是美方不能說我方算個時間你可以啦這個是買方市場賣方市場 |
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我們會努力盡快我跟委員承諾 努力盡快 而且最近應該會有一些進展我們來談最近是什麼 什麼叫最近英文叫Listening最近你告訴我什麼時候叫最近我們來看喔我們來看你們要談的結果是什麼傳統產業 比如說工具機將近5%Plus20等於25很難過 |
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我們經濟部長還在經濟委員會裡面吹牛說我們要針對傳統產業要形成大的產業控股公司問題他們現在苦哈哈 你先幫他解決吧先幫他解決這個問題 好 那我就問郭智輝部長有說除了關稅以外對傳統產業最重要的是匯率 |
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他心目中希望能夠三十一業者我去打聽了希望三十四部長你要不要講一下你心目中要不要跟國資會一樣三十一雖然那個是央行的職者職權但是你總是有一個主觀的期待吧替我們中小企業替我們的傳統產業講講話他們真的很辛苦 |
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匯率你心目中有沒有一個政府官員不適合談匯率怎麼不適合 國務部長就在這裡講31啊我們只能講說匯率要保持穩定不要波動太大短期間不要波動太大因為傳統產業講說要34比較好以後你講32 |
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他講31現在多少你知道嗎現在多少現在費率也差不多算穩定現在多少你知道嗎30塊8 30塊9吧左右30點多 將近31啦穩定 長期穩定就好你講31是很安全啦你怎麼不敢講呢我這整個是市場在決定的第二個 第二個 第二個現在美國最高法院審理川普的關稅案川普可能輸喔因為現在看到 |
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不管這個大法官是來自於藍的紅的就是民主黨或者共和黨他們基本上都認為川普違憲他要賠20兆美金請問部長或者院長有沒有想過我們廠商這段時間從8月開始20加N 20加N 一直課我們原來大概只有2%幾%而已有的5% |
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我們能不能回到原來當然這個錢不是全部進口商付但是我們也付一部分 出口商付一部分比如說要課20塊 進口商10塊 出口商10塊我們能不能去跟他要回來 可不可以跟我們報告兩件事 第一個這個對等關稅是美國對全世界普遍性的 不是單對我股 |
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所以我們要脫離這樣神聖的秩序目前來看當然是困難的再來你要回到過去那種個位數的關稅現在各國看起來也沒有這樣的情況有 我要告訴你如果川普被判違憲三個結果第一個結果不溯及計畫可能就拿走了就拿走了這個川普想要的是這樣拿走拿走第二個部分溯及計畫過去課的多少 哪一部分回來第三個全部溯及 |
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這三個都可能發生三個都可能發生那我現在就問你你們做了沙盤推特別是經濟部長我看你這一副一副都不知道啊沒有 報告委員事實上以川普政府來講的話雖然他 |
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我們不知道他們大法官會怎麼判但是他還有其他的工具包括232他很多的項目已經搬到232去了他還有301所以我們還是要做好準備我們提升我們的競爭力比較重要 |
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我問你說我們已經被他課的關稅能不能把他要領回來替廠商要領回來幫廠商一點忙你說沒有回答問題啊沒有他們最高法院都還沒有判啊還不知道要怎麼判你要先預備準備啊你準備好沒有就是你有沒有想過你有沒有想過我們政府可以幫忙要領回來 |
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假如可以給人家的話不是 他們最高法院判的話如果要緩緩就會緩緩啊他不見得都還給出口商我們出口商不一定拿得到他是還給美國的進口公司知道吧 比如說比如說這是Amazon或者是Costco或者是什麼 Walmart他是還給Walmart |
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因為沃瑪進來的時候我們已經付一部分他也付一部分所以全部他拿走我們要不要這個沃瑪幫助廠商把他拿一點回來我是問你這個如果是這樣的話我們當然會協助廠商爭取他的權益請問你請問我在院長面前可不可以責成經濟部這個事情先做一個事先的規劃一下如果川普輸了 |
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他們要緩緩關稅部分也好全部也好我們經濟部怎麼樣營運可以嗎一個禮拜一要講計畫提出來可以嗎可不可以 |
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我們現在第一個掌握是說原來多少在對等關稅的他已經移到232那個部分將來如果世襲有一個判決的結果會不會影響這部分如果川普關稅他輸了我們的因應報告可以吧兩個部分一個就是原來在對等關稅他已經要移到232的將來這個判決之後有結果出來會不會連232這個也會影響這是一個部分你講的可不可以告訴我們部長 |
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寫一個報告出來給我們可以嗎第一個部分就是部長說的那在這裡面他依照判決的結果我方一定要爭取我們在商業行為上有利的條件再簡單一點啦兩個禮拜以內提出這樣的報告或者你上網讓外界看得到可以嗎報告委員可以嗎可以嗎我問你可以嗎我是覺得啦在那個他們美國大法就是最高法院還沒有判決之前我們出這樣報告 |
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是不是會影響到好 那判決之後兩個禮拜以內請出報告可以嗎可以可以上網 判決以後兩個禮拜內上網好 我們來看今天媒體有寫到中油弊案說中油的告示說錢太多你們盡量的福報我們農業部長一起上來好不好農業部長一起上來可以嗎請 陳部長 |
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總有的你們要不要一起查一下立案去查一下可以嗎事實上113年的時候就是之前已經有查了有沒有這回事有人提到政風已經查過一次了沒有這回事但是現在有新的事證我們會再查一次我最後請農業部長講一下獨彈的 |
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我們現在那個源頭在哪裡 現在找不到啊源頭在哪裡 告訴我們 趕快 20幾秒我跟委員說明現在初步看起來是一個單一的個案因為芬芙泥本身是殺蟲劑基本上它不能用在機制上面但是可能是旁邊因為有農田我們現在正在瞭解然後現在總共有4批的這些雞蛋這個雞蛋全部下架除了彰化以外 其他地方可能也有 |
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黃婕委員質詢書面提出請行政院書面答覆並列入紀錄刊登公報報告院會休息十分鐘休息之後繼續進行質詢現在休息 |
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好 謝謝主席 我們請卓院長好 請卓院長備選 |
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委員好院長好首先我要講一件讓國人都覺得驕傲的事情就是我們蕭美琴副總統站上了國際的舞台剛剛你回答林楚映委員的時候也有提到國人感到非常的驕傲蕭美琴副總統赴歐洲議會演說讓臺灣走向國際甚至連很多國外的學者都認為過去這是不可能做到的事情不可思議的事情但是我們做到了 |
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當然要感謝很多在背後在第一線上出力努力的所有的人員的付出但是我必須要請院長能夠密切的關注一件事情在蕭美琴副總統副歐洲議會演說的當天晚上跟隔天也就是昨天大量的網路謠言說蕭美琴副歐洲演說是換80億換來的 |
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這一件事情上我想請教一下院長第一個網友的造謠總統府有出面譴責那外交部確定已經報警那行政院目前掌握的狀況跟訊息到底有沒有外力的介入的狀況院長請問一下結果當然還要再進一步的去 |
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溯源去追查出來但是這件事情讓我們充分看得出來總統帶領的國安及外交團隊一直是戰戰兢兢安安穩穩的在從事台灣的對外關係我們好不容易得到了這樣的一個機會副總統也是嫌總統之命在非常巧妙的安排底下能夠聚到國外參加這樣的會議 |
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那國人應該給予更多的鼓勵甚至希望帶回來更好的訊息而不是用這樣的方式在抵消我們自己的作戰的士氣或者對外的努力的工作我覺得這個是值得我們深思的但就目前為止這個事情總統府已經正式的否認而且予以駁斥那我們尋正常的管道尋檢調單位在做這個不實的散播謠言者一定要做進一步的追查 |
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我要請院長要密切的而且要嚴厲的要求這個真的要做到要防止網路謠言不斷的造謠這樣的造謠我要跟院長報告我昨天一天在很多不同的地方群組就已經看到這樣子的謠言跟圖卡 |
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那我覺得這個是不是外力的介入我想大家自有心證但是呢我們的國安團隊一定要嚴正的來第一個制止第二個該法律提告的一定要告到底 |
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我們一定要用各種方式來遏止這樣子惡意抵消我們全國大家共同認為感到驕傲而且這麼多人努力才有這麼巧妙的安排讓我們的副總統站上這個國際的舞台到歐洲議會來演講所以院長我要拜託你我們一定要堅持原則 嚴查庶辦嚴查庶辦 好不好 |
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剛剛院長有提到當我們的副總統可以站上國際舞台但是看到另外這幾天大家覺得不可思議的是國民黨主席好像樂於站上中國的舞台不知道院長還有沒有印象2012年的立委選舉何新淳一直在這裡 |
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對上的是現在的國民黨主席鄭麗文的未來在這裡我一直在台中一直在台中為台中努力一直在為台灣努力那看到當時候的對手鄭麗文她在當選國民黨主席的第一時間我也有恭喜她 祝福她 |
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但是從他當選主席到現在的所有的言論好像讓國人覺得非常的不可思議而且非常的擔憂所以委員是有實力打敗國民黨主席的人謝謝所以院長對於鄭麗文最後當選的國民黨主席看一下他的選舉公報當時候 |
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他對地方也有很多政見然後我今天看到他明天生日也要先祝他生日快樂很高興的是我的鄉親做了對的選擇讓我有機會能夠服務也能夠站上這個舞台但是我覺得以他最近的這些言論甚至去參加所謂的秋季 |
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國家的歷史跟尊嚴絕對不容扭曲而且我相信他做的這一個動作第一個民眾黨黨主席黃國昌他也不以為然他說無實是共諜並非政治受難者國民黨自己內部的也有很大的聲音包括他們的前青年部副主任也槓上了現在的鄭麗文主席說追思無實踐踏國家尊嚴 |
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剛剛院長有提到我們的副總統好不容易站上了國際的舞台但是我們看到現在的第一大的在野黨的黨主席竟然站上了好像是中國的舞台那院長您對鄭麗文主席的這個看法身為一個主要在野黨的主席對參加一個活動本身就必須是相當敏感注意了解他的背景跟歷史的 |
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傳統上我們說台灣民主運動之下的政治受難者是要將台灣從威權體制脫離出來走向一個自由人權民主的一個體制但是一個共諜是要把中國共產黨的極權體制取代中國國民黨的黨國體制這截然是不同的而且程度上是更往反方向走的所以身為國民黨的主席在參加活動之前 |
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即使自己不知道當社會討論了好幾天之後也應該了解也應該有這個警覺心 |
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過去參加這個活動就會被引申呼應了中國要求涉台人員都學習無時精神的這樣一個做法那變成雙方在做呼應會影響國內的視聽所以我剛才說政府必須更積極的跟國內所有理念相同的政黨跟所有的國人一起為保護中華民國台灣的主權跟安全我們不能放棄我們的原則而這個責任 |
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現在中國國民黨可能已經拋棄了 |
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可能就拋棄了只有我們能夠做得到他們拋棄但是我們承擔我們願意承擔我們願意堅守價值中華民國台灣的主權堅守保護守護我們的國人這個我想是我們的責任也是我們的目標也是我們的價值之所在中華民國台灣是民主自由的堡壘對不對院長這個我覺得基於我們中華民國台灣的國家歷史跟尊嚴絕對要堅持謝謝院長 |
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接下来我就要再谈论我们民生的议题了今天是跟经济相关最重要是大家关心红胎这个台风是穿心台虽然在今天早上听起来好像路线有稍微往南移好像也减轻了为青台但是我们还是谨慎以待严正以待尤其中央曾经进驻花莲跟台中目前的准备我不知道院长掌握的状况 |
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馬太安溪又溢流我們也要求地方政府要趕快的來撤離而且要做到位現在花蓮縣政府的處理狀況我們院長有掌握嗎還有安全的措施配套呢 |
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我希望地方政府能夠依照中央應變中心所依據資訊判斷下的任何指令能夠確實的執行那我也應該要相信花蓮縣政府在經過上次菸社會的事件之後跟中央的配合應該要有一套新的方式這一次我們到目前為止在花蓮地區我們進行了撤離疏散垂直避難的已經有4150人 |
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垂直避難的那麼撤離宿散的有2148人安置收容安置的也有659人 |
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那個這個都按照之前的一些演練的方式有陸續的到位我覺得這次到目前看起來時間上縱然有一點點在調整上面的時間的一個落差一點點但我覺得那個目前為止並沒有產生現在所看到任何影響我希望這些的撤離安置我也要求花蓮縣政府對安置的收容的 |
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以及撤離的要託與照顧需要任何的協助中央應變中心會隨時予以支援今天中午諮詢結束之後我會跟總統一起到中央應變中心再跟地方政府做密切的溝通予以必要的協助 |
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是 院長大家都辛苦了你辛苦了但是我們中央應變中心中央一定要全力的來確保所有國人的安全當然除了進駐花蓮之外因為非洲豬瘟的關係我們中央也進駐台中我現在擔心的是什麼 |
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台中市為了因應非洲豬瘟這個廚餘的問題一直沒有辦法解決所以台中市在原縣區挖了12處的大型土坑來傾倒廚餘現在很多市民擔心的是什麼 |
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那些土坑 那些廚餘坑現在碰到颱風來了會不會有造成傷害這個傷害除了可能廢水的溢流 外流危及到環境跟水源還有會影響到民眾的健康甚至這些土坑它的土體會不會潰堤這個其實都需要中央的來協助 |
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院長你看一下我幾張照片給你看現在台中市政府的說它因應颱風的措施是蓋帆布壓石頭然後圍籬也是簡單的圍籬這個是現場現在我們昨天照到的照片不知道院長你覺得這個可以止得住 |
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抵擋得住颱風的侵襲嗎這樣子的防護措施夠嗎除於在緊急狀況下用這種掩埋的方式 |
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是非常不安全的但是在究極的情況下那幾天是特別要這樣做那已經請環環境部要求地方的環保局環保單位一定要確實做到要覆土要50 30公分這樣覆土那一定要做到那這個是基本的安全而已強風一來可能會造成其他的傷害 |
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院長因為你曾經三次到台中來視察而且現場的這個文山掩埋場的現場你也去視察過所以第一時間中央有要求地方政府要做好你剛剛講的緊急的措施30公分 50公分這樣的標準但是我們市民擔心的是這些坑挖了之後它的周遭的防固跟防護 |
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如果遇到颱風強風暴雨的侵蝕之下沖刷之下這些泥土會不會隨著雨水流到周邊的市民的社區裡面這是第一個第二個它的儲雨的水因為水分是很多的當時候因為救急所以底層的防護布並沒有 |
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按照中央的要求甚至市民很擔心連防護的這個底層的那一層防護可能都沒有那這樣的情況之下颱風又來了到底會不會造成危害我覺得請院長要要求第一個要求環境部我已經跟環境部說過希望他跟地方政府要事先能夠要求他們做到 |
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目前可以做的盡量要完成現在可以做的防腐的措施因為今天這個彭部長不在這裡陳部長也知道這個事情農業部來做說明我跟委員很簡單的說明第一個部分就是為了運營防災他們蓋的帆布用石頭壓是壓不住的所以有要求他們從四邊去 |
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拉丁卯往下丁第二個部分是圍籬的部分最主要是防止野山豬來吃廚餘然後我們經過覆土又把它加工本來30公分變50公分然後圍籬或是圍墊圍墊網的部分這個部分我想環境部都已經去查過了圍墊網是沒什麼問題的現在就是帆布的部分是擔心說如果被風吹走雨水下去以後會導致會有一些類似泥土被沖刷往下移的部分這個部分環境部都會隨時監控 |
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我希望院長跟環境部要求環境部跟農業部相關部會這個監控要協助地方政府要嚴格到位因為這是市民的健康安全的問題水源的部分因為有一個洞是離無錫比較近就是霧峰那一個掩埋場它的下面就是無錫 |
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這個要請經濟部、水利組、水利單位要嚴密的來監控好不好我跟永遠報告我們在全台灣比較有風險的22個掩埋場我們都有架設 林保署都有架設監視器所以這個監視器如果看到有一些不對勁的時候隨時會通知地方政府 |
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最後又是一個民生問題雞蛋剛剛有聽到部長有回答其他委員我只兩個問題現在已經下架有問題的這個牧場的雞蛋其他牧場安全嗎第二個還有3萬顆的所謂的散裝的雞蛋不知去向我們行政院農業部有掌握狀況嗎 |
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我跟委員報告這個案子一出來由地方政府提報了以後第一時間我們的那個食安辦還有衛福部還有農業部就啟動了聯合的一個查訪那在11月6號的時候我們就到現場去看那個牧場本身的飼料跟雞蛋那現在看起來是沒問題的然後可能是一個單一事件的一個環境污染 |
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我們在確認污染源找到之前我們不會再讓這個牧場的蛋能夠喪失這第一個第二個就是全台灣其他的地方因為過去每一年跟衛福部跟農業部都有去追查希望這個食安一定要守住 |
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好 謝謝何委員 謝謝卓院長下一位陳廷輝委員自質詢已素面提出請行政院素面答覆並列入紀錄刊登公報下一位請丁學忠委員質詢 |
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感謝最強的前主席江副院長感謝我們卓院長請我們卓院長跟陳副長請卓院長還有陳副長飛雪院長好 院長好副長好 院長好 |
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今天有可能我們這個台灣會被這個鳳凰颱風侵蝕整個壟罩在我們台灣的範圍可能要請我們議長我們國會和國管局密切的配合主動這個揮霍的機制可以讓我們台灣我們各地區都可以更安全 |
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等一陣子我們這個歸宿出運發生感謝我們中央行政會合可以及時來隔阻到我們這個歸宿出運的這個蔓延讓我們這個疫情可以穩定下來還有一項就是等幾天我們這個解除那個禁載禁運我們還有出運 |
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地位的介紹 境界比較好 比較穩定這時候我正在看這個內政局長對著防疫署的署長的質詢我有請他們說我們都要說要大力來關心這個議題也有三成好過這個地位的介紹都非常穩定 感謝我們都要顧到 |
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在這也要討論到我們這個在外國人持有這個近親近親的問題我們台灣是一個擁地三逆非常先進的一個國家我們有關這個擁地三逆也現在正在走進我們的現代化 |
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這個國分 歸宿主運的發生對到我們經濟的生涯造成很大的一個憧憬讓大家意識到我們這個流失的安全的議題說到我們請你看這個數據婦人關國情有一千兩百空三條 用一條 |
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地價總數超過一百五十一萬頭我們一天的土砧量是我們全台灣的一成我們一天土砧超過兩千五百頭全台灣幾乎13000隻以上的大型的用地量總共有兩百九十六噸其中有九十二噸是當溫庫年關 |
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可以說是中國的三分之一的這個收益我相信國中這樣有靈通了喔了解 現在的情況就是這樣對 所以我們婦人館是我們地下三頁的心中這麼多的收穫每一天都要來處理這個土砧 |
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結果我們就需要要把我們的地產送去百貨公司去進行這個渡載 原因是什麼是因為這個渡載的量能不夠量能不夠 我們本人的關係是在建設檔幾年過後應該了解吧 了解 |
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民國六十七年建設的現在的食育精神對於老化的速度都在從幾乎完全沒有阻礙我剛才說到我們這個人道土宅的過分這種實施 人們繼續使用就算在我們的食品安全上有風險也算三年效力也會更好 |
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國長 你有感覺說是因為我們政府應該優先來改善這個行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
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我向委員報告現在全台灣的屠宰場大概有55場那55場裡面其中有22場它具有批發的市場的功能那我們農協部過去三四年在養豬產業裡面除了幫我們的豬農的豬舍升級以外我們對於屠宰場本身的一個優化讓它符合一些衛生安全的規定我們也非常努力的去做這件事情感謝博士你好我們有關青馬 |
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整個兩基的工程第一基要專門更新土宅社會導入人道土宅的這個流程第二基要建立完整的兩鏈系統這不是第一最重心來建設這個基礎而已是要 |
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我們這個婚姻打造全國第一座主動化兩面化的現代都在中但婚姻關在前靠久久 需要靠中央來合作國中剛才說的合作 第一期需要二十億億 過千過萬元中央國情委員會工作四億年 |
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1983年那時候合併的就是不過我原本報告因為裁判法的關係沒那麼一開始因為黨政府有比較多錢去做所以議員你用這個錢繼續支持這個土台事務如果不夠的時候我們中央再來看要怎麼合作對 我們婦人館是要維護我們台灣全國國人的食品安全我們是要讓我們的地位 |
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出國去到外國讓人知道我們台灣地的安全和優秀所以我們要花這麼多經費來進行這個頂低的改革所以我在這裡要跟國長說我已經定年我們剛九年的時候有跟國長協調也有請韓院長來跟國長協調那時候我們國長有答應說 |
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第一次要讓我們考驗當我們的冠軍時期一半十二年 十二月我們就開工當他在一半十五年會落月要來完工現在收起來的什麼就是金錢而已不是說我們的勤奮性 |
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衛鄉的同樣是百均市場加以控制的市場薪金要三十億 |
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我們中央就高達超過二十億一百均九年就通過 到現在還沒成長我跟委員報告 破住的部分現在行政要不合定在第一點第二點的時候就說婚姻那時候補起來的價位 金額買了幾位下去 那金額越來越大所以我們現在就是說因為財務法的關係 萬一本身不夠的時候我們中央再來合作 |
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因為越來越多就是滷汗 滷汗 枯燥它的材料越去越貴當然有經費 越來越多所以我真的要跟國中各國我們知道一半十四年以後 到一半 到十一歲才是統計起來分明說我們會五年期間 靠在頭上台灣 外地裏的 |
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第一就是相隔千五十一萬私情者相隔千就是婦人關革命的企業生意要賺到多少婦人關的革命都賺到五十萬 |
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空氣前幾隻所以這個量數那麼大我們這個池塘的精神應該是有符合到我們現代我們現在有多少錢會競爭池塘技術藥的一個設施像這樣 |
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我跟威廉報告以農業部來說絕對支持要分辨有自己的一些屠宰場的部分但是重點就是說當初四個月的經費一直暴增但是暴增的過程中都沒有跟農業部來協調結果到最後的話就是一筆一筆像你剛才說的二十幾億就出來了那中央本身沒有辦法用這樣的預算說隨時就有經費可以資助第二點就是說 |
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我剛才說的 現在有裁判法的時候地方應該有應用 應用自己的錢如果不夠的時候 我們中央再來想辦法來做我地方 剛才這個裁判法又減27億了對啊 又減27億了 |
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因為財化法現在已經落去以後很多事權事權現在我們行政院也在檢討我們也是期待說透過這個財化法可以讓地方有自由的財源 |
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| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
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那些建設 不免說 還有來臨老闆中央來協助建築可以讓他們創造的建築 可以來建設地方但是 現在創造出來的結構 我們分明看是要建第十七號所以當這個老闆遲到中間 會過分第一 咱們國中有大英 |
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後果跟有資料跟我們合作現在我沒辦法跟你說明,我剛才說的就是如果婚姻關自己出錢,如果沒救的時候,我們中央會來協助整個界位因為是重大建設,也要報到國安會去審議啦因為電影報仇的經費,建設的經費一定要經過國安會來審議審議通過以後,我們中央才會來協助所以中央國安會好好跟我們請勞 |
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8835.085 |
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我剛才沒辦法跟你承諾因為幾位主要看得到幾位主來的經過國安會的審議沒有 審議有在蓋嘛它裡面的一些設計的規劃的這些標準跟中央國安會的標準不太一樣嘛所以後續還是會國安會來審議啦 |
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8853 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
國會審議過就沒問題了嘛國會審議完了以後然後再看經費怎麼分攤啦就是說地方看要出多少啊中央不夠的時候中央再來考慮看要怎麼來補助這樣對地理基金也是所以我把我們考慮下去啦對地理基金有14億啦 |
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要做事業 我要跟你們報告就是說如果要整個一個屠宰場或是肉品市場要一次規劃完 而不是分期喔第一期先拿出來 說完以後再變成第二期再出來這樣沒完沒了 是市區市區的問題第一期剛才我有說過第一期是都市的股份第二期是兩鏈系統的股份 |
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是這樣,不是說怎麼去怎麼分作兩極,是各有各,各有各的事實。這我會來瞭解,然後再看,買了看過多次,我再來看。他對,他對,我怪討你啦,我們關系各有各的相關。 |
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一定叫農業補償出來修正價位 連累國發費新秘製藥他就出現一個但是這個分攤是第一跟中央依照新的財發法來分攤是 現在委員說現在分林好像減去 減到9是不是因為財發法的設計就是這樣 計算就是這樣所以我們現在有想要重新的表現我會去 一定 你有去我們分林 |
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觀眾等於跟你說 彩畫畫這樣不對你說不是這樣 你會受傷 |
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| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
我會重疊在那裡希望我們現在會在新的項目上委員可以來支持新的財法法的修正讓各縣級可以比較平均比較公平對地份好 財政可以更加充足我們是一定支持的謝謝好 再來要來請教國長我們這個稀要的問題我們分明是全國三大擁擠三要的重點擁擠 |
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| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
用一戶有五千四百多公斤在我們的面積五千八百多公斤都達到全台灣的總量的兩成是由考核的態勢我們的管額跟額外債、立法額外債也是重要的一個選擇考核有全國地理上的高度會用一戶這幾戶 中國都當民國 |
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| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
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幾十年就都已經完善堅定國情 農法 開放中但婦人關的財政都已經一直強調對我們婦人財政比較困難區域內的就都比較豐富都這些都要修復在這裡我要感謝我們的基督徒當下中秋林這段時間這裡幫助到我們這裡用一口 |
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| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
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提供方法的改善但是我們希望的是什麼?我們都說可以做整體的一個區域可以讓我們更多的合作做好基礎建設 強化各方的技術這樣好嗎? |
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| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
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我跟委員報告就是說我們裡面的水路部分我們協助包括我們的農田水利署這邊也會來協助你跟我說整體規劃的時候第一點就是說我們現在本身在地市民願意說要重新的一個規劃因為你重新規劃以後你的水路才有辦法設計所以這個部分其實我們也一直在跟地方政府還有跟我們的漁民在溝通 |
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好 這樣講 天恩是需要中香的關懷再來 我們婚姻煙花 家財都是土海 衛生我們一屆 婚姻開花企業看這個幾個月 |
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我們現在存大約五個魚缸存大約五個魚缸那裡可以有魚看可以處理獵魚之前當我們大小當我們五條缸的魚缸那裡那裡還有五分的魚看為什麼這個會這樣 |
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我跟你們報告 過去的專業漁業圈一分兩部分一部分是海洋捕撈的 一部分是沿境海的部分因為過去的海洋捕撈的部分因為專業漁業圈的全人就是肥肥部分他本身並沒有去投資就是說去增加他的這些漁民 漁民的放養量所以我們這一次只核發了他的沿境海的漁業圈所以你看起來面積會變小 |
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刷下去以後他如果要申請那個海洋漁業權的時候我們就有更好的一個規定啦所以這兩樣是無關的 |
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我們台西五條港、三條港、五條港、五條港、五條港、三條港、五條港、五條港、五條港、五條港、五條港、五條港、五條港、五條港、五條港、五條港、五條港、五條港、五條港、五條港、五條港、五條港、五條港、五條港、五條港、五條港、五條港、五條港、五條港、五條港、五條港、五條港、五條港、五條港、五條港、五條港、五條港、五條港、五條港、五條港、五條港、五條港、五條港、五條港、五條港、五條港、五條港、五條港、五條港、五條港、五條港、五條港、五條港、五條港、五條港、五 |
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協助肥源 讓他們有更多更寬的海域可以進行鼓浪這個國運可能要改革都要講 要再討論這我們來做啦 就是說 要怎麼協助我們的肥民在海裡去捕魚這個博恩 那漁業群的部分 我們要跟肥輝跟肥民坐定來討論一下肥源跟肥輝對於香港調查跟這個規定有什麼問題 |
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是不是可以請我們農藥局的農藥署來提供協助一定 我們現在就在協助啦就是說對於這個漁業圈 陸漁圈的部分我們協助到市府都會來共同來協助我們的市民來申請啊當這個國防也去牽連到什麼呢離島港藥庫的這個範圍裡面所以我現在在處理啊對 離島港藥庫的整個也是非常影響到我們這個農藥的這個發展 |
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剛才看到我們的血汗的痘痘 也看到死亡跟代謝、代過婚都去外面 代過婚那裡也是血有這個甘藥苦的煩惱在裡面 |
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我跟委員補講,因為階級降落去以後變成說我們沒辦法去討害、沒辦法去賜福利嘛我跟經濟部也有討論就是說他還沒開發以前,可以讓我們的市民去捧貨所以現在基本上我們現在在處理啊對,這大型的離島工業區的範圍真的要久久的開發,市場開放不可以,這國分 |
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真的 我們一定要認真地討論我們剛才在說的那種分離道工業區的那種我之前也有去試試過 |
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我們跟這群紅人也邀約出來 剛才說你們有在解決這個問題我們跟經濟部現在有在討論看要怎樣 要不要開發疫情這個地方可以讓我們的市民去放學 去拖駕對 所以這個國分可能要改作我們國警所動 |
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我們冠軍所在有很多這個當局依賴因為這個工業區的限制工業區海域有很多在那裡灌額他的額外錢都在那裡灌額那些都是事實但是剛好在海外就得到我們政府的這個協助 |
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這個國分要我們靠近來改過人再來就是這個人力的問題剛才我們說到這個氣氛我們氣氛也有人對健康的這個問題婚姻的企鵝仔、鋼鵝仔、鵝仔籠他們老年化、少子化的這個影響未夠採收期 |
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都有人工骨灸的這個問題我們現在有動手的時辰可以新鮮化了來日的農民可以新鮮化了但是教法和頭頂就是不能新鮮化了 |
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青蛙、藍蛙、純蛙的角落來教法、道修額 叫人抓到要花錢來鷺的角落來教法、道修額 也是叫人花錢叫人花錢 這個角分 角中要到三天 |
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我跟委員報告你講的這件事情我也跟勞動部已經討論過了就是說我們現在的本身養殖的移工有沒有跟漁閥的移工這是兩類的所以你行政的人你如果要同時申請兩種那你這樣的話就可以隨時來交替這部分我已經跟勞動部 |
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所以他們會做一個更進一步的一個解開這個相關的限制 |
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有動手的時候 因為我們魚缸 魚沙 積量太多當退潮 豬腦骨才會曬出來 牠們一缸 牠們骨才會一缸所以我們天氣熱 但是牠們要出國 出海 處理土海的時候 |
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生命要有教法來存在 才會活下去結果做教法 塞住你的記憶 起床了 要上床 抓到也是要開發 也是同樣這個問題所以這個問題 拜託我們國中要落重視一下要落重視一下 因為土耳其人真的很辛苦 |
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我了解我大概應該是七月那時候六七月那時候就看到這個問題然後隨時也是跟勞動部討論所以我相信說在那邊你對疫情應該有緩緩的一個結果是啦 我是覺得柳總我不是需要的管理單位沒有清楚現場的這個運作什麼需要希望我們都能夠幫助市民來進出這部分可以放寬還是比較有彈性還有請多多 |
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隨時有可能去運動才會發達發達啦這個國運再拜託我們國中更辛苦一點我們會來做好 再來一項就是我們鄉親議會94年開始執行我們這個地震、河汗執行的方案30年來 |
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現在地震下降大概已經有很好的結果了因為 |
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就是已經趨緩了它地層下陷的情況已經趨緩了114年的時候雲林地區沒有明顯顯著下降的面積下降的速度每一年超過3公分範圍裡面已經沒有顯著有這樣的情況了海線的部分包括麥寮、台西、口湖也沒有地層下陷的一些狀況我們會持續地 |
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利用注水啦或等等的一些情況讓他這個可以改善不過我聽這個處理室的檢討過去封地結尾之前先告婦人關的地震下降的情形要求是幾多年持續顯示要求幾位這樣 |
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但是我看到的狀況是這樣就是說剛剛提到的114年數那個量測的結果雲林地區如果顯著下降的就是他一年下降3公分我們叫做顯著下降基本上這樣情況在114年的時候已經沒有了那113年是有的113年就是前面那一年是有的但是114年今年 |
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情況是已經沒有這樣的狀況就是一年下降三公分這樣的情況已經是沒有了我跟委員報告行政院還是會加強整個防治的力道我們在已經核定了一個雲章地區地層下限具體解決方案跟他的行動計畫的第二期這個第二期會從110到115 |
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所以現在是在執行當中另外經濟部好像另外有一個防治的計劃他會從114到117這個叫地下水保育管理跟地下層下限防治的計劃這經濟部在做行政院是剛剛那個所以多頭並行一起來防治現在雖然已經有趨緩但是我們希望把它控制在一個更好的狀態之下我們日期的經費要再倒流下去二期的經費第二期的經費 |
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你看 我們查一下第二期的經費二十億 我就改革這個地產法案或是說讓我們已經當這個海水道館這個農地可以活化 繼續夠農用 |
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這次改良一定是有計策的所以在這裡要向議長告告婦人關這個地產行業的系統性大問題已經是國土安全的危機的問題 |
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一方面利用各種風景的工作來減緩下降的這個速度另一方面已經下降骨力建造的區域也要想辦法來活化就是我剛才說的想要怎樣來改善做討好這個改良讓他們不是耕種區以來可以活化來建這個耕種區 |
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所以剛剛院長有提到我們這個地下水保育的管理還有地層下限的防治計畫第四期就會開始持續來做那除了減少抽這個地下水之外事實上還會那個補 |
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把它補進去啦 那個地下水還會補進去那還有一些管制 有一些地區式管制的尤其是高鐵沿線的這個重量的管制風機抽地下水喔對對對 現在就是我現在講的問題比較嚴重 海水倒灌的就是當沿海沿沿沿沿沿沿沿沿沿沿沿沿沿沿沿沿沿沿沿沿沿沿沿沿沿沿 |
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再來有方針啦 我們憲政院都有在出方針是你們要記得 我給你們提醒一下憲政院在今年幾月二月有設定一個營建勝利圖案最終去處規劃方案這個國防醫療應該會記得啦你不記得天海是不是對 我們也是要經過這個處理掉 |
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處理過 我們一個海水漬 漬到這個地瓦的這個地區我們如果把它囤土 它會更好 會一樣會透起來 會透起來到頭頂我們如果有一個更積極的方式 像是頭頂用清氣土我們是不是可以繼續經營 是這個概念 |
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是這個概念研究一下這個可以解決這個土方去化的問題可以解決當地的現象這可以解決這個土方的去化的過分所以在這裡各位請議長跟我們國長重視這個地產化寒的這個問題這段時間我去到我們沿海地區看到我們油農過去油農 |
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的殘地因為地震下降現在頭頂都被海水擠掉了我們看得很不敢我們看得很不敢我們政府如果說有更好的措施可以來解決我相信我們的地主跟地方的政府都一定會非常樂意 |
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所以在這裡拜託我們議長 拜託國長 讓大家好好恢復好 謝謝主席 感謝大家我們來祝福大家 謝謝謝謝委員 謝謝謝謝丁委員謝謝主委長 下一位請劉建國委員質詢 |
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好 謝謝主席 有請院長好 請卓院長備詢劉委員好院長好 院長今天是雙十一是你知道雙十一的問題主要在講什麼很多人去購物是不是對 |
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電商平台的雙十一購物節就在今天那在中國淘寶、拼多等中國電商平台都會推出這個促銷方案不只對中國對台灣的民眾也推出很多的免運的這個方案然後這些裡面很多是肉品、凍植物、藥品這些國內禁運的商品也都有優惠 |
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我在這個上個月10月30特別在未還召開這個專案報告要求農業部跟樹花署要針對有提供違建品的促銷業會平台必須強硬的屏蔽拒絕下架院長也特別有在院會垂詢的時候也有特別這樣的一個要求但實際上效果不是很理想我們要防這一波雙11的網購潮目前邊境有足夠的量能進行因應嗎 |
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我們已經要求所有的人行李必須 貨物必須經過X光百分之百的檢驗同時人工查驗的部分要比過去至少增加20%這個當然會增加人力的配置我知道院長 院長是行動派的你在8日有特別到這個淘氣區去做這個視察 |
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然後要求邊境查驗要零信任 對不對 沒有錯所以我覺得院長的行動力是很強的然後那個宣示也非常有Power但是你看 給院長看一個數據今年防檢署桃園機場邊境防疫作業協情保全能力共1.6億元 招聘230人計畫人力協助邊境機場 |
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但是今年的7月以後再擴充30人10月以後再又擴充19人也因此今年的防檢署在桃園機場總共從230人增加49人達到279人應該沒有錯嗎 |
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應該沒有錯吧?兩百四十九人,有一部分是為了第三航廈以後過來的部分對嘛,對,對,我們現在是高層對通機中了我們有七位車警察、十位車警察嘛,對不對不管你做什麼工作,他是邊境機察的重要的這些人員嘛那為什麼我們不能一步到位?為什麼不能一步到位?而且不是只有淘機啊 |
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所以我只是提醒這一點全台灣有18個邊境的港口或者機場都是要一致性的去做一個防堵所以我是要提醒院長也提醒部長像這樣的一個人力基本上我們要一步到位也請院長能支持這樣的邊境查驗的人力務必 |
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要一次到位然後經費要全力支持我那天講前兩項就是X光設備要正常人力補充要加強意思就是這樣子但招聘的過程不一定一次就能夠把需要的人力都補上來 |
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不夠的再補 不夠的再補盡量把這個時程給它拉斷我當然知道現在要交聘人力也不是這麼簡單的事情不過當然這個都是在10月20日之前發生我們就把人力儘速補足嘛那我是希望明年我們的預算足夠我們的人力可以快速這麼多的邊境我們必須要讓人力就位啦 |
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編制跟計算的緣額應該都是夠的我們在中間盡量把它加強好 謝謝然後這15天的這個進展經營之後我想台灣的豬肉市場目前正在呼出當中這也謝謝院長跟部長的積極的做出相關的應應但是我們補助的這個產業鏈的對象裡面有養豬螺民嘛 肉品市場毛豬的承銷人員等等等但怎麼只有這些對象而已嗎有啊 我們也有攤商也有屠宰場 |
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現在公告這些產業鏈的對象為什麼載運土體的運輸業沒有補助為什麼波古斯沒有補助 |
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背骨骰,一天聽話班買十頭,一頭兩百塊一天也要兩千,十五天你看他減碳多少阿滴,十五天沒得出現在十五天沒得出以後變大隻,賣起來的肚子要更多可能不掙還錢然後養豬,幾乎每一天有兩趟車一趟車可以載孕,載孕六隻、七隻頭,那兩趟 |
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你可以算15天然後他這15天不只是載運租車的這些司機包含背骨塞通通歸零怎麼沒有把本人納入在補助對象裡面 |
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我跟委員報告 你剛才說的北谷塞本身因為在屠宰場本身我們給他的一個補助其實就涵蓋了他所聘僱這些人另外一個就是你剛才說的土地運輸車跟毛豬的運輸車因為土地的運輸車很多都是食品業者去叫車的我們找不到對象但是毛豬的運輸車我們現在正在盤點在盤點看怎麼樣的方式去協助因為現在滴放出來以後 |
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對於這個毛豬的運輸車他的載運的那個次數會變多啦但是我們還是會在滾動的檢討特別是毛豬運輸車的部分不知道能不能加快速度嗎 |
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因為畢竟我們第一波的公告 隔到現在已經一個禮拜多了然後你剛剛講了說白骨骰有但是白骨骰有就不會很危險那白骨骰有去收到就不會對於我去發聲嘛這很簡單的例子嘛 對不對所以這個事情你要了解清楚要快速的因應嘛然後在院處之的是不是可以一個星期內把這樣的一個不管你找到找不到反正我們就是要積極像你們在整個因應 |
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這個非洲豬瘟的過程裡面就是很快速的去做這樣處理所以不應該遺漏這些載運豬隻的這些司機們可以吧一個星期內 |
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好 我們來檢討好 謝謝 謝謝部長王院長 我再請教你在114年的7月有正式核定中部精密智慧新核心的推動方案要打造中章雲頭成為全球精密智慧的新重鎮塑造中部成為全球領先的智慧製造中心這份方案中 我不曉得院長有沒有細看過 |
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這個是我們在六大區域產業生活圈當中的一環從北到南到離島 |
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到東部我們都有相關地方產業跟科技發展我知道 我特別是提到中部這一個因為中部本來就是我們精密製造的一個重鎮那我們希望把它加上智慧所以變成一個精密智慧的新核心它原來就是台灣的核心代表院長我看過嘛 院長要提醒一件事情有針對雲林 我的故鄉有提到生化智慧養殖價值鏈 這個很好 |
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但是內容卻提到要結合地方的特色對的也對發展如斗六花卉產業本市是斗六人我是斗六出席的斗六孩子我也已經五十幾年了我也聽過斗六有花卉的產業怎麼會有這樣的一個計畫呈給院長 呈給部長中央要核定推動地方發展的這個四項計畫裡面如果連地方的產業都搞不清楚 |
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發生這麼離譜極致的事情廣泛的發展智慧農業新興的智慧農業那個內容裡面寫得很清楚那個地方當然不是殘廢啊它不廢啊 |
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所以我只是要提醒說怎麼會有這樣的一個計畫方案這個草案當時也是要層層的把關嘛 層層的審視嘛 對不對才承認院長你嘛 但是這個中間就出問題了嘛所以我是一個雲林的在地立委我要具體跟院長提出這個建立的一個修正好不好 請院長聆聽看看2006年的時候 中央 |
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協助屏東成立的所謂的農業生物科技園區並訂下120家的廠家進駐到截至今年10月底喔已經116家進駐然後總統資額已經高達186億我為什麼用這個例子來講因為2006年中央在屏東設置農業生物科技園區然後 |
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隔了20年 雲林的農業的產值 雲林農業的品質雲林農業相關的基礎 進步的建設不亞於屏東 池地灣同大宗啦 屏東第一啦池街營同大啦 第一是我們就對了啦所有的收購 加起來的顧菜市場一天可以提供全台47的供應量就對了他們屏東有 農業 生物科技園區為什麼雲林沒有 |
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如果今天院長要打造一個中部機密的智慧新核心推動方案是不是可以 |
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20年前的屏東農業生物的科技園區雲林是不是有這個機會我們朝這個方向來做研議來做研議讓AI導入到農業這都是大家一直在講的所以生技跟科技絕對有辦法成為雲林打造一個雙技的農業重鎮院長可以接受 承諾嗎來 研議吧 |
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我們針對農業的相關的生技園區我們有一個全台灣的一個評估計畫包括雲林地區適合哪一種的生技園區在裡面去針對智慧農業的部分去重新去做一個評估 |
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你不管哪一個縣市來去做相關的智慧的榮業評估因為你應該所重之重嘛因為畢竟它產量各項作物的產量還有序幕的產量都是大宗的嘛 |
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對 屏東10年前可以為什麼雲林20年後沒有這個契機所以院長願不願意給這個機會交換下去研議吧農業的產業生技園區竟然是中央來主管那也需要地方能提出一些土地等等希望地方如果也有這樣的計畫那跟農業部我們一同跟地方來合作 |
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我只是請求院長能不能接受我的建議 交代下去研議嗎當然可以 好 謝謝這個研議是不是一個月內就可以提出一些草案大家來討論嗎 可以吧我們大概從今年的3月就是針對全台灣的這些生意園區的這些適合的地點跟適合的產業但年底的時候應該可以有一個比較完整的報告 |
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到年底我就看這個這個農業部提出來的報告之後再就叫我再提供我再提供謝謝好那行政院要推動這個中部精密智慧新核心的推動方案特別強調AI應用嘛就是包括AI的人才的培訓嘛對不對去年的6月11號一樣在垂巡台我感謝院長的支持也感謝郭前部長的承諾就是環球科技這個校舍30公頃12棟校舍至今 |
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已經承諾也支持但是整個新辦計畫到現在沒有看到進一步的推動部長報告委員因為我們後來有評估過因為整個用的用地因為這個有30公頃但是如果我們用的話可能只有用其中一部分而已現在教育部又說 |
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你全部都要用教育因為它是教育用的用途不能用其他的用途那這樣的話 即便我們進駐以後其他也都廢了你當國民書長 你有統合的能力教育部提出這個問題對你來講絕對不是問題 |
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用多少的銷售再培訓人力其他部分可以做相關產業的這樣積極的一個部件 布局 人才的培訓部長你的能力絕對有辦法處理能不能加快速度能不能加快速度嘛好不好 我們就加快速度就好可不可以 一個月內我跟教育部來協商一個月內可以啦我時間有限啦 抱歉我剩兩分鐘而已部長就承諾吧 一個月內就是未來這個整體規劃啦好 謝謝 一個月內好 謝謝 最後 |
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不好意思,我以為要抽時間,避寒鳳凰來了,願指示我安在剛剛我聽到部長有接受到委員的答覆因為今天彭部長不在這個地方,我們跟你歡呼說水會濕出來嗎?水滴會去賣嗎?布棚會補嗎?不好意思,不太輕鬆,他連不織布都沒有鋪 |
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所以我才在衛環也召開一個專案報告我邀請環境部的副署長你不用來備詢了啦你就直接到台中去作證吧全部的規格通通不符合所以不是報判怕賠不是怕鎖匹來吃他就是不知不覺第一次起訴都沒有用這風太大後來這就中了 |
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或是整個吹噴去 或是整個都去噴海就對了他不知是什麼我們的頭領 他要無緣搞什麼程度我們中央有事先的一些預防措施嗎我知道部長 陳部長很辛苦在那邊作證但這個事情是 不管是農業部有看到 環境部也有看到啊鳳凰要來啊 這家營業有沒有辦法在那裡安全 過關 我不清楚啦 |
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但是確實他有太多在處理這個處於掩埋完全不符合規劃怎麼應應 簡單幾句話就好我跟委員報告有關於中央應變中心裡面的處於小組的前進應變所現在持續的每一天都在跟地方政府去要求然後看要怎麼樣去改善現在你所看到的這些現象 |
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我是要提醒這件事情的原因就是說它不是只有簡單這兩件事情你們在現場你們在移民中心應該知道它完全不照SOP它完全不照規範現在放回來了這幾個隱埋的廚餘的這些地方會不會出問題出了問題的時候中央跟地方一樣都是要面對要去解決要概括承受所以我是最後要跟院長跟部長特別建議廚餘的事情我們要快速的因應 |
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台塑可以幫於縣政府收穫這麼多的廚餘去做有機會我們為什麼不能擴大量能 |
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好 謝謝劉委員 謝謝卓院長法院會現在在議場二樓貴賓席的是南非工商台灣訪問團我們歡迎他們到立法院來參訪下一位我們請莊瑞雄委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席 有請我們行政院卓院長卓院長請備詢 |
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莊委員好廖長好我想本席今天的質詢將圍繞在整個產業的轉型到企業人權跟社會正義但是首先想從最近的一個關於價值的問題來請教卓院長就這兩天中國國民黨的黨主席也就是本院的前同事鄭麗文她出席了五零年代白色恐怖秋季追思的慰靈大會 |
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那其中追思到了幾位其實一位最有名的就是被判定為白色恐怖時期共諜的一個叫吳石那這個地方我要來請教院長就是說對於在野的政黨領袖公開參與共諜的一個追思我不曉得你的看法怎麼樣那我相信國人同胞他一定會覺得說一邊 |
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嘴巴講著反共保台一邊跑去追思共諜甚至於我們過去成長的背景裡面常常會看到好多標語保密防諜 人人有責講了好幾十年沒有蔣介石跟國民黨就沒有現在的一個台灣結果現在連蔣介石的誕成我看那個黨主席連一篇文他都懶得發但是寧願去幫共諜這樣做一個追思我不曉得 |
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這個到底是哪一個版本的中國國民黨是台灣的國民黨還是北京的國民黨所以我要請教院長就是說你對於在野黨的領袖去公開的追思共諜這樣的這一場的追思會身為中華民國最高行政首長的卓院長你的態度看法怎麼樣 |
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我表示遺憾因為一個中國國民黨的主席當他知道中國共產黨正在大力吹捧無實甚至要求他的涉台人員要學習無實精神的時候竟然不避諱的去參加這個組織所舉行的這個活動會讓我們覺得 |
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跟民眾的距離太遙遠了尤其這幾天討論的熱度是非常高的但是仍然阻止不了中國國民黨主席去參加這個活動表示他不在乎社會的觀感不在乎歷史的定位也不在乎對岸用這個無實的精神要來加強對台灣統戰的事實跟人民的距離實在太遙遠了 |
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我認為院長這樣的一個答覆是你個人是太過於厚道了我相信我們主席台上我認為我們連主席台上的副院長他一定會很大的一個感慨過去江啟臣副院長他也擔任過中國國民黨的一個黨主席 |
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我想你會有一個感觸就是你過去說馬英九也好還是韓國瑜也好你至少你說在蔣介石的誕辰的時候你也去獻個花去吊雞一下甚至有的甚至跑去夜領起碼會維持一個歷史上的一致性但是看看現在的中國國民黨的黨主席 |
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我看蔣介石的誕辰也隻字未提但是那是國民黨的家務事但問題是這轉身去向共諜致敬我看連蔣介石地下有知的話他會覺得他現在這些徒子徒孫他一定也不生虛虛但重點是 |
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對於國人同胞的看法是說這樣的一個政黨反共的旗子還沒有放下你忠誠就先投降這個會導致整個國家的一個錯亂當院長就提到的 |
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北京當然大催大家學習無恥的一個精神對北京來講共諜他從來就不是一個罪名甚至他都認為說共諜本來就是為他的祖國在效命但是相對對我們台灣而言這些人是在滲透我們的自由體制破壞我們民主社會的一個敵人所以本集要在這個地方提醒 |
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當中國用經貿、宗教、媒體甚至文化在滲透台灣的時候其實在台灣的每一個角落我們有這樣的一個風險的時候台灣各個政黨的領袖的任務其實是捍衛整個國家的意識所以院長這樣的一個答覆我雖然 |
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早上的答复我再说一次 我说共铁是要消灭国民党消灭中华民国的这是共铁的工作这跟我们所称的所谓政治犯思想犯是不一样的而且身为国民党主席他应该知道历史也知道现实当大陆中国正在大陆吹捧无时的时候他已经陷入这种统战的过程当中大陆加强统战的结果就会出现 |
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所以保衛中華民國台灣主權跟安全的工作已經沒有辦法在由黨主席所帶領的中國國民黨身上看到他已經跟這個理念背道而馳了所以未來政府應該跟國內的所有自由民主的人士更加強對中華民國台灣主權安全的保障我們必須要堅持這個原則謝謝院長表達這樣嚴正的態度我們是不是接下來也請主席邀請我們國發會主委還有經濟部部長 |
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經濟部部長 國安會主委請國安會主委今天請教副主委代理部長我想請教你一件大事 |
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我們捷安特被美國查過貨品這應該你知道這個是我們台灣第一次企業因為勞權的問題被美方來把貨品給扣住了這個不是企業倒楣我都認為這是國家品牌我們很重大的一個危機美國的海關說捷安特去採到了強迫勞權11項指標裡面的5項這不是小事情 |
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這個是一個國際上的警訊事情一發生以後業者他跑去跟我們外交部我相信也有跟你們經濟部還有勞動部來求助甚至於拜訪監察院我在司法法治委員會的在質詢的時候我還特別要求我們的監察院不要我們業者受苦受難的時候從後面再去補刀這個代表 |
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業者來求助的時候是他們慌了但重點是說我們政府能幫他們什麼我要請教部長說我們經濟部現在實際上去介入協助了什麼有沒有一個跨部會的機制一起來幫企業釐清事實來改善我們自己國內的一個企業的制度保安委員因為他這一個算是一個個案那事實上美方之前馬上有跟我們有過說 |
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知道這件事情但是我們也跟美方有討論過這個東西他們強調是個案我們也嘗試聯繫說據道他們也想說我們怎麼樣去跟美方來做說明所以我們也跟美方表達然後也幫他們介紹了律師怎麼樣來處理 |
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美方也明顯的告訴我們因為這個是個案是他個案跟美方的邊境管制局的兩兆希望我們政府先不要急著介入但是我們有幫他們說後來巨大也跟美國的已經有見面了已經也做了說明了因為他這個只是暫時處分最後結果還沒有判定 |
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本席認為這件事情非同小可不要小看他你去把他看看這個最壞的情況會是什麼你對一間這麼大的企業想就營收65%你一個貨卡在那個地方二到三年光捷安特一家可能就蒸發掉30億這個影響到的都不是只有這家公司 |
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還有他整條供應鏈都會被拖下去喔現在TBA的工會已經在動美利達也準備要去改善那我們是希望說剛剛部長你這樣的回答那當然是有一點很圓融像因應美方美國政府的一個要求可以把事情給解決掉這也是一個方法但是呢 |
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政府你說不動起來看企業自己在那個地方救火本席還是表達很擔心這個只是美國你看你接下來歐盟CSDDD上路人權就是新時代的貿易的一個通行證你現在不只美國 |
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歐盟現在也動起來了你說去年通過一個新的指令企業永續盡責調查的一個指令就是本席剛提到的CSTDD白話講就是說把供應鏈的人權跟環保的要求寫進法律2027年就要上路 |
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就是說台灣的企業只要你接了蘋果Apple或者Nike這些大品牌的你通通要遵守這套法規這個不是一個選擇題這個到最後是一個強制的我們自己對這個國際新的規範現在的還有2027年就要去上路的 |
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我們有什麼樣的一個未雨綢繆我相信我們政府會有自己的一個時程你像比如說我們從114年開始啊營收超過500億的製造業上市貴公司你開始要做人權的盡責的一個調查你116年起成果要公開在永續的一個報告書上但是呢 |
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本市要強調就是說我們不能出事之後那開始在補破案沒有 報告委員我剛才講雖然剛剛講巨案是一個個案沒有錯但是通案的部分我們已經跟勞動部要協商怎麼樣來因應所謂的強迫勞動這個議題強迫勞動它的範圍蠻廣的 |
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對台灣來講的話很多我們是立即就可以改善比如說職場的環境等等公安等等的一些情況但是最主要還是移工的問題我們現在遇到的問題我們本國勞工比較沒有問題是移工的問題移工現在比較麻煩就是仲介費的問題因為仲介費是對方國的仲介拿走但是對全世界來講他還是覺得說你雇主要全部負責 |
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謝謝部長院長我要提的就是說政府應該是當企業的靠山 |
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這一些大型企業捷安特巨大的在台灣或者算國際上都算非常有名的他企業都已經夠大了那很多產品他還不是他自己做他還是有很多供應鏈那政府我所謂的當企業的靠山就是說那底下那些供應鏈 |
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你說巨大你說捷安特你說美利達我達到我自己的這些人權的一個指標了那底下的供應鏈呢我的意思就是說政府尤其是我們經濟部對這些中小企業該輔導的部分我們要為與籌謀要準備好不然新的制度上路以後啊我相信啊這個都是我們不是只有企業的危機啊到最後變台灣品牌的一個危機請院長簡單的一個答案 |
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我們剛剛提到人權是國際貿易的一張門票這個我非常認同 |
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沒有達到這個人權的要求我們要跟國際進到國際社會都很困難況且要談到競爭這是第一個部分第二個雖然這個案件剛剛部長講這是單一的事件但我願意政府願意從單一事件來做全面性的檢討請經濟部勞動部就所有的勞動條件跟他的勞動的保障要做全面性的檢討也希望也提出一個指引讓大家可以共同遵守為什麼現在我們第三個部分就是 |
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我們現在有推出一個企業與人權的國家行動計畫第二期這個就是要生產者跟他的供應鏈都要達到人權的標準所以我們當中有個企業實施人權禁止的調查這個調查非常重要我們會分公司的大小分層次按部就班循序漸進的來要求但總結最後就是達到委員說的那句話人權的標準要達到國際的標準我們才能夠順利進到國際的市場 |
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謝謝院長那我為什麼請瓜輝主委上來我記得 |
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經濟部長 工部長在當國會主委的時候我在院會質詢的時候我就對於我們整個少子化的部分我就一直在追問過了兩次那我國少子女化的對策計畫從107年到114年要搞了啦 存一個月而已啦也就是說我們這個八年的人口政策接近尾聲了其實這個分數不及格啦 |
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不及格了政府沒有辦法去強迫人家生但是呢我們看到了很多狀況你說我在鄉下我看了很多學校合併社區老化為什麼會這樣小紅旗嘛你看像你看現在全台出生人口預估13萬創新低連台東人口跌破21萬出生是死亡的五分之一 |
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2014年日本首相安倍提出地方創生他們2015年是地方創生元年我們2019年我們也是地方創生元年日本抓30年我當然現在我們才幾年的時間我們不敢期待看到巨大的一個效果可是我們現在都辦了活動居多了少子化他不是生的少 |
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而更是留不住也回不來對鄉下來講就是這樣子那我要請教院長跟國會我們下一起的規劃是這樣的問題我們不要一直停留在補貼你像比如說你現在要人口政策應該進一步應該是引人回流吸引人才來你們現在有一個叫數位游牧新型人口的一個政策 |
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也已經核定了你是三大據點台北台南跟台東我要講的就是說你這個執行的重心如果都偏向活動的話你很難達到這個效果了你說你至少要有一個中長期的KPI去追蹤留台人數跟你整個創業的一個轉 |
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好 謝謝好 謝謝莊委員 謝謝卓院長 |
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李博義委員之質詢已書面提出請行政院書面答覆並列入紀錄看登公報報告院會經濟組之質詢已詢答完畢上午會議進行到此為止下午2點30分繼續開會進行財政組之質詢現在休息 |
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好 抱怨會 我們繼續開會進行財政組諮詢總院長 各位閣議員 列席閣議員 大家午安首先我們請林德福委員諮詢葛如君委員請準備 |
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大會主席韓院長還有行政院卓院長以及所有我們包括財政部所有的單位是不是請卓院長麻煩請卓院長備詢還有我們這個莊部長麻煩請財政部長備詢林委員好 |
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因為媒體報導財化法修法的版本正由行政院副院長鄭麗君來召集所有部會來討論當中全面盤點一般性補助款 |
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那這個整個計畫刑補住款等等那我請問院長因為行政院針對財化法修法的版本是我有預定送進立法院的最後實現有沒有 |
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跟委員報告現在行政院所在討論的不只是一般性補助款我們是很著原來的財發法跟現行財發法對各縣市地方政府造成的影響在哪裡尤其現行財發法地方均衡不夠所以我們是整個更宏觀的來考量那目前呢包括 |
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財政部包括主計總署會折時間在跟地方政府的財主人員在做進一步的溝通之後我們會在或許或許下禮拜我們就會在行政院來正式的討論之後就送請大院來進行審議院長事不宜拖啦你認為最晚的時候將財化法送到哪時候送到立法院來因為你們討論以後我本來的要求是在 |
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這個會期之前那我們會盡快的在準備妥當的時候會適時的來提出我們現在朝越快的準備越好因為我知道這個大會裡面也有相關的修法那如果能夠同時或者是能夠相併來討論的話會更為周延 |
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因為要是如果沒有什麼期限那我請問你認為現階段整個事權劃分不明確的情況下會不會類似像美國政府整個停擺的狀況會出現你認為會不會 |
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當然不希望出現這個問題不過即使現在財法法的修法經過大院審議之後對明年的中央政府總預算也起不了新的作用他應該著眼在後年的未來的中央政府總預算跟地方的補助才能夠應用更新的一個財法法的修法 |
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因為在野黨去年有推動財化法修法的時候有催促行政院版但是行政院卻辭職沒有提出來那本席當時質疑財政部是不是提不出來還是我們左院長要求不提結果 |
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院長卻回答說現行的版本就是最好的版本那我請問院長為什麼在野黨去年在推動修法前你堅持原來的版本是最好的版本我修正一下我說 |
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原來的財化法是實行起來最有把握的版本那去年12月20號大院在表決的時候那一個禮拜陷入到一個這個協調的困難期因為發生了種種的事情所以行政的立場沒有辦法透過執政黨黨團在協商當中來提出這個是當初的一個遺憾我們是有準備好版本的所以內容我們在經過修正之後會落實在現在 |
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包括財政部 包括主義總署來在研擬新的財化法的精神裡面 |
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因為那個卓院長如果原來的版本是最好的版本那現在像政府院長他就不必再找這些部會首長來討論提出行政院的版本其實那時候我們是要求希望行政院能夠提版本一併進去討論但是當下這個行政院跟財政部真的沒有提出來院長也許你是 |
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或是執政黨的支持者會把現行財化法出現有一些瑕疵難行的地方刻意把它凸顯放大來檢視但是本席要強調的是如果沒有本黨在立法院積極來反映全國多數的民意推動各界正式的財化法修法的急迫性和必要性那我請問院長民進黨 |
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執政的行政院會願意主動來回應多數民意提出財化法的修正版本嗎這個委員恐有誤會在去年12月20號大院表決之前等一下可以請莊部長 |
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回答在那個表決之前行政院跟各地方以及我們內部經過了多少次的討論當時的狀況我們請中部長來回答其實我認為那個也不必因為我們在財委會裡面有討論過你們要是有提出來到時候可以併進去大家來研商看怎麼做最理想 |
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中央跟地方是要合作當初表決之前那一個禮拜因為院裡面發生了一些意識上的爭執所以沒有辦法進入到協商行政的立場是通過執政黨黨團要在協商提出但是沒有機會提出那個卓院長 |
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就好比普發現金一萬元好了民進黨立院黨團這個行政院起初也是反對到底啊到最後風向球又改變這個變成同意甚至於現在連主計總署官員也說隨著普發現金一萬元上路啊應可以發揮刺激整個內需的一個效果 |
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有助於拉抬第四季的民間消費的表現那我請問院長執政黨當初不分青紅皂白扣在野黨的帽子現在反過來蹭政策紅利的熱度這是對全民負責的態度嗎我們當初的想法是我們不舉債 |
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用稅計剩餘就可以因應這一次的中央政府總預算跟特別預算但是在大院表決的時候卻一再希望行政院能夠補發現金對於行政院不舉債的這個用心完全不被重視 |
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所以與其如此行政院就衡量大院所通過的那個特別條例2350億是不足以來補發現金所以我們調整的內容變成2360億所以這個是依照行政院調整之後也用了舉債的方式增加政府舉債的方式才有辦法來因應所以這個部分是我們在公共政策財政這個紀錄上面的一個考量所以是行政院的版本那個卓院長當初 |
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在野黨要求普發現金一萬元主要就是因為連續好幾年我們都知道稅收超徵連續四年超徵了一兆八千多億不是超徵是時徵數超過預算數 |
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對啊 你確實啊很明顯的是行政院不是不能提財化法修法的版本而是去年卓院長的最好版本的說法本席解讀看起來就像是不願意把二十多年來二十幾年來未修訂的財化法重新客觀來檢討中央地方政府應該要進行財政的改革院長 副秘書長 |
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阮昭雄說這個裁判法修法版本以和執政黨立院黨團取得一定的共識但草案到立法院後是我獲得立委的認同多數立委的認同是一個很大的一個挑戰那我請問院長 |
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行政院這次的財化法修法的版本有沒有獲得多數地方政府的共識這個很重要你剛剛有講那你認為要怎麼樣才能獲得多數立委認同的修法我覺得最重要的是當全國所有的縣市都放在公平的立場上沒有誰最優越也沒有六都直轄市那麼優越最優越 |
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而這個縣市全部放在公平的角度上來計算地方的均衡這樣才能得到所有縣市的支持目前我們新的財發法就是往這個方向在做因為今天到這個會期 研會結束只剩兩個半月 |
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那院長 財政部莊部長曾說估計啊年底前會送出行政院修法的版本希望立法院能夠在這個會期啊能夠三讀通過那我請問院長您怎麼看我剛剛說過我希望在 |
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這個會期就能夠結束之前就能夠通過現在我要看財政部主計總署跟各縣市的財主單位談的結果如果達到一致的話我們會把時程提前或許下禮拜我們就會進行正式的討論我希望 |
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這個就是要積極啦然後多溝通然後有問題提出來怎麼解決能不能請部長談一下他如何積極溝通是 跟委員說明有關財化法的部分在水平分配的部分財政部已經召開了四次會議 |
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那在最近一次也在10月的時候邀請地方政府來開會像相關的指標還有權重已經獲得大部分的縣市能有共同的共識而且我們在人口也好土地面積也好在計算上更為細緻更為細緻也就是說人口上我們因為老年人口或幼年人口需要更多的服務以及土地面積裡面要分別土地的種類譬如說農牧用地建築用地林業用地都要有不同的一個權數 |
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所以這個部分可以均衡城鄉的一個差距而且這一次修法的目標很明確第一個就是我們的國民的生活品質要能夠更均衡不管他在城市還是鄉村然後垂直的分配要更合理中央跟地方財政都要能夠有合理性還有我們的水平分配要更公平 |
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能夠讓各縣市都得到相同的一個支持還有地方自治要更能夠強化我們擴大他們的財政自主但地方自治也要能夠強化還有中央跟地方夥伴關係要更能夠提升我想中央跟地方都是一個夥伴的關係 |
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這是我們的一個修法我希望在最短的時間裡面能夠取得就是大家能夠認同接受院長因為明年編列AI新十大建設預算有311億元那你曾說這是未來國家發展的重中之重 |
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8月下旬經濟部長龔部長也接受聯合報的專訪也說明年開始要推動AI新時代建設希望把AI相關的技術導入百工百業讓產業升級轉型就本席了解產業轉型是指國家地區或產業透過整個系統性的調整 |
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其產業的結構將傳統或低附加價值的產業轉變為新興或高附加價值的產業的過程那我請問院長產業轉型或升級 |
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是用嘴巴說說的簡單的事嗎既然要導入百工百業你認為行政院編列明年的預算311億能夠一步到位或促成百工百業轉型或升級成功嗎你的看法呢謝謝委員的支持我們的AI新十大建設 |
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大致上分做三個區塊第一個是智慧運用第二個是關鍵技術第三個是數位計盤那明年是一開始第一年的預算我們統合一開始初期當然預算沒有辦法編到那麼多因為很多在計劃過程當中那未來逐年會是適時的需要而增加那我希望明年的311億我們真的是用在讓他能夠順利起步無論是 |
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智慧運用或是關鍵技術或是數位機盤這三大部分都能在AI新十大建設的十大項裡面都能夠開始發展我認為這未來二十年三十年影響台灣在國際關鍵技術上面的尤其是高科技領先地位上面能不能繼續保持這樣的優勢要接軌AI相關的技術百工百業的建制成本你認為我們都準備好了嗎 |
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我們現在開始從AI新時代建設來做統合其實我們的科技預算經費當然是更大但有的是原來的計畫在進行當中我們先把它挪一部分在AI新時代建設就啟動一個新時代的科技建設計畫 |
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面對美國新聞新關稅的這些政策市場的競爭行政院要推動AI新十大建設人工智慧對於提升產業競爭力有非常大的幫助那我請問院長百工百業導入AI相關技術會不會發生 |
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人力排擠的效應會不會反而導致某些產業甚至於人力被淘汰萬一人力排擠淘汰甚至於產業走向黃昏請問院長政府有沒有想過到底要怎麼辦 |
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我們AI新時代建設的終極目標是希望成立進入到一個全民智慧的生活網那過程當中我們有十大項其中有一項也是AI人才的培育跟資金的投入所以這個都是在整個配套過程當中的我們對於我們如何在現在硬體製造方面的領先我們繼續往軟體讓他能夠有一個登峰的一個企劃這個是AI新時代建設那將來當然會造成一些產業上的轉型跟升級 |
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那這個都在我們規劃當中我們會有一些像我們在數月羈盤當中就有一個產業科技均衡的一個項目我希望這個院長這邊你們要做就是要好好的要細密一點的規劃你不要到時候這裡好那結果很多這個百工百業甚至很多人力就沒有辦法去 |
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去做他們原來應該要做的我們會協助中小微企業進行它的轉型這個是必要的人力跟科技的轉型數位的轉型都必要我是認為這一點是很重要不要說只顧這裡沒有顧到其他面向結果造成很多問題變成衍生社會的問題產生 |
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AI實在有AI的問題那我們會事先做一些防範轉型是必然的過程當中事前一定要好好細密的規劃好不好謝謝也請委員能夠支持這樣的一些建設計畫謝謝林德福委員質詢謝謝卓院長財政部長貝馨謝謝接下來我們請葛如軍委員質詢黃珊珊委員請準備 |
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好謝謝院長有請行政院卓院長以及央行楊總裁麻煩再請卓院長中央銀行備詢各位好 |
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院長好我想剛剛很高興您提到了這個AI還有軟體發展的方向也謝謝行政院在8月28號把AI基本法的草案送進來那AI軟體很顯然一定就是數位金融跟虛擬世界的發展在未來可能有非常多新的業態會出現也希望行政院可以一起來討論 |
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那央行在今年的3月份出了一份關於比特幣作為央行準備資產或國家戰略儲備分析的報告在這個報告裡面可以明顯的看出來在去年3在今年3月的時候央行對比特幣戰略儲備是持相對負面的態度比如說國際間還沒有國家將比特幣納入數位資產的準備或者缺乏安全性和流動性不過 |
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事實上幾個月過後啊全世界的發展就已經和這份報告截然不同我們先看一下下面這個投影片這是美國各州比特幣戰略儲備的狀況其中新罕布夏州亞利桑那州德州都已經在五六月通過法案正在進行中的和提議的更有高達18週那川普總統呢也很明確的宣示了比特幣戰略儲備的方向那我們看一下央行所在意的安全性流動性來看我也幫您整理了 |
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德意志銀行在10月18號的時候就明確做出了分析還有研究報告說比特幣的戰略性配置會成為現代金融安全的新基石有可能變成像20世紀的黃金兩種資產都極有可能在2030年以前出現在各國央行的資產負債表 |
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在這裡我要強調是兩種黃金跟比特幣數位貨幣或數位資產並不是互相排斥的他是可以共融的那現在呢比特幣的波動啊事實上已經創歷史新低本席兩週之前呢有就這個議題詢問過央行的朱副總裁 |
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當時朱副總表示會持續研議評估那想先請教一下楊總裁您看到這幾個月世界的轉變央行對於所謂的虛擬資產的戰略儲備還是像這樣的一個相對負面還是反對的嗎研究評估的怎麼樣是的 報告委員 |
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德意志銀行他說是在2030年我覺得2030年這個是5年我覺得還是有一點遠很好 您覺得很遠待會我們現在就來看一下事實上 |
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我先講院長其實一邊在聽我相信院長也有一邊在正向的思考我先回應一下也許大家的顧慮就是說有這麼多種的貨幣會不會有些風險新罕布下週是確保說要超過市值5000億美元的才來考慮作為戰略的儲備同時安全性上面也有一些分散的資料中心或者國家級的儲備方案那相關的這些安全等等的其實都有解決的方案 |
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那您說2030年以前那我要告訴總裁也告訴院長事實上這個需要對台灣來講是特別重要的為什麼在先前我們看到今年2月底央行朱副總到立法院報告的時候就透露過我們的外匯存底有高達92%是美債 |
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相對的我們美元走弱台幣對美元升值的話實質購買力就會下降金管會的報告也提到今年1到8月的銀行業就因為台幣升值的影響稅前盈餘本來是這個應該可以到8000億的現在只剩下6000億叫去年同期減少了2000億我想在這裡還是要問一下卓院長我們要防患未然未雨綢繆啊 |
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這個總裁說2030年的事情我們可以緩著做但是我待會還有很多的數據那現在美國已經在做了院長您作為行政團隊的大家長我們現在的資產整個產業高度押注在美元而美國現在又在推動多元儲備也就是有數位資產的戰略儲備您有沒有什麼樣的想法跟策略或者比如說能不能更加積極正面的考量像比特幣戰略儲備這樣的一個做法 |
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美元是今天全世界通行計價的一個基準這個是沒有錯但是我們是不是有92%這個高的數字整個總裁說明一下這是朱副總裁當時透露的事後我們也有澄清沒有到92%是算錯了還是講錯了 |
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是他看錯了就算不是92%我們也是高比例的依賴美元當然 我們這個比例是比較高物質是比較高 非常高所以您的回應就是我們沒問題嗎您能不能再更積極的考量一下比特幣戰略儲備總裁能夠說明正確的數字 |
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另外就是對這種新興的創新新創的金融商品我們都應該用開放的態度去看它很好所以希望比特幣這個是我們如果它能夠在交易安全數位安全能夠比現在更有把握的話我認為我們可以用另外更開放的態度來看比特幣同時台灣也應該有自己的一套機制 |
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太好了謝謝院長所以能不能在年底以前再提供一份詳細而且要正反並成不要只是相對負面的報告比特幣戰略儲備或數位資產戰略儲備的報告給社會大眾了解一下院長可不可以拜託您在這裡就正面的承諾 |
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我想要就是说年底之前给一文报告我们可以我们可以太好了谢谢杨总裁给您跟院长都按一个赞那主动购入的这个虚拟资产储备还需要一些报告跟研究的时间但是有一件事情我也跟院长分享是现在就可以做的我们可以先持有比特币 |
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不一定要主動積極的購入這可以之後討論你看一下頭影片這是去年幾大持有比特幣國家的這些相關的資訊比特幣其實在這些國家都是透過沒收犯罪而來的其中烏克蘭還有一些是透過於網路的一些募捐 |
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那我們台灣這幾年啊2023到2025年呢我們也找了資料也有一些法拍虛擬貨幣的新聞其中您看一下這個2024年的新聞哈新聞上寫4.5億的時候啊比特幣一顆是7萬美元現在比特幣一顆是11萬美元啊當時如果這批比特幣或者現在沒有拍賣的話 |
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這其實對我們國庫的潛藏的這些所謂的潛力很可能已經超過6億多那本席非常清楚了解相關的市場任何的資產都不可能永遠的向上他一定有可能有回落的時候但是我也希望整體來講大家可以上網了解一下 |
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這樣子的一個資產為什麼各國要先趕快部署相關的法令並且早一點的來持有其實也就是因為未來很可能是我們在資產依賴上對於其他的國家貨幣主權過度依賴上的一個很好的對沖啊尤其啊我們現在又非常大規模的去持有美元計價的資產但是啊川普啊 |
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在11月6號的時候正式發布美國自己要成為比特幣的超級大國所以我想請教一下卓院長我們現在就算不能立刻把它納入我們能不能退一步去討論一下向其他國家學習沒收而來不需要返還的這些虛擬貨幣我們能不能持續的持有有國家級的解決方案處理安全性的問題這一點您可以不用太擔心我想請教一下有沒有機會來討論 |
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我相信美國川普總統的任何一個重大的政策決定不僅影響到國內對國際上也會產生相當大的影響像川普總統對比特幣這種比較開放而且直接的態度會影響到比特幣在各國之間或許未來的流通或許未來的保值等等那這個部分央行應該有進入密切的一個觀察 |
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好謝謝所以實際上希望能夠到現在能不能請院長來承諾一下我們能不能先至少盤點一下目前持有的數量說不定我們持有的還真不少剛剛我們看到300萬美金的等值的比特幣就可以排到世界前十了 |
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這是我們中華民國對數位經濟的準備也是我們跟美國站在同一隊的決心院長能不能指示相關部會年底前調查一下給大家一個答案現在我們持有的比特幣的數量到底是多少我要先了解我們有沒有辦法實際上掌握國內的這些狀況 |
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我講的是這個我們司法體系沒收而來的我們講的是沒收的不是台灣國內持有的我們的政府單位沒收在國庫裡面的比特幣可以嗎調查一下如果是已經 |
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合法依法沒收而來的過去都要拍賣啦依法持有的政府依法持有的盤點一下好不好這邊我們應該有資料我認為盤點是必要我可以這樣說年底前給大家一個答案討論完了虛擬資產的價值也想跟院長討論一下虛擬資產的法制面因為我們要安全要安心請教一下這個金管會主委謝謝 |
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那我也要跟院長表達一下金管會央行在近期對於這個數位資產的開放性我們絕對是予以肯定的那金管會有非常多同仁給了很多的幫助那關於VASP的專法其實金管會是一個正面的態度但是6月27號報院以後到現在還是沒有送到立法院各界都非常的關心已經到五個月了還沒有送來我們之前詢問 |
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其實各個部會的回答呢稍微有點模糊現在美國的GENIUS法案CLARITY的法案日本官方的JPYC穩定幣都要出來了香港新加坡在法制也已經完善了我們什麼時候為什麼會拖這麼久還沒有送過來有沒有一個相關的時間的預期讓業者可以好準備是跟委員報告一下其實我們6月27要送進來因為這個其實像是個新的法案我們政委已經審過兩次因為很多要 |
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要送回我們這邊跟各界再溝通我們去送回去對不起我很佩服您可是您可不可以我時間有限能告訴我這個會期是這個會期下個會期也沒有關係因為業者需要時間跟心理的準備啊有沒有一個預期啊院長我看您笑而不答大家可能在等您指示啊是沒有指示還是有沒有預期 |
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進入到一個數位的虛擬貨幣時代我們初出進入到這個世界裡面來我覺得一切的建制我們要學習更周延的一些規範所以儘管會謹慎是對的 |
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我想我要讓大家了解一下這個事情真的是疑數不疑詞為什麼事實上因為我們的VASP專法如果通過了還有8個執法要訂定裡面的穩定幣更是非常的重要不知道院長有沒有看過這張圖左邊是實體經濟各國的貨幣非常的豐富但是在右邊的虛擬經濟全球穩定幣美元的占比高達近9成 |
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已經幾乎是壟斷性的地位了這會影響到貨幣的主權所以為什麼全世界各個國家甚至歐盟積極的要推出他們的國家穩定幣就在這裡所以這不是說我要很審慎然後沒有消息我們看到日本歐盟都非常非常的清楚所以這一點我就想請教一下 |
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我們現在卓院長您說我們要做亞洲資產中心我先講我並沒有反對或支持特定處理穩定幣的方式但是我想要確認一下到底什麼時候因為Facebook的法案裡面就有一個章節是穩定幣現在各國都已經上線了我們現在還在審慎我理解審慎但是院長有沒有預期這個會期 下個會期 |
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穩定幣是我們進入到一個虛擬世界的一個途徑所以我們現在已經不僅是虛擬我們在穩定幣這個議題上面我們也已經進入到討論所以這個部分我們討論很久我現在要問的是時間院長不好意思 |
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有沒有時間 跟委員報告一下剛剛那個我們送進行政院我們現在已經把所有準備工作應該很快會來開會剛剛那個執法部分我們不會等母法這邊才做我們現在已經全力在推動這些執法的立法好 謝謝主委我想我們一起來努力 |
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那接下來雖然還有點時間我就希望能夠帶VASP的這個相關的新創業者要說說話因為創新AI軟體數位金融這都是我們的下一波的力量那我想請教一下其實目前金管會這個相關的規範其實有提到金融機構德金金管會的規定兼營虛擬資產的業務 |
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其不僅能託管加密貨幣推出加密交易的服務甚至還能優先發行穩定幣如此一來有很多的VASP的業者辛辛苦苦的做了各種的法尊做了很多的創新然後又符合安全結果金融機構很可能只需要金管會點個頭就可以兼營甚至優先發行這會不會有一種太獨厚傳統機構我沒有要替任何一個人講話但是我希望給各位看一下這個圖 |
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這是接下來的數位經濟是大家一起合作儘管會做管理也不要忘記發展銀行有信用跟穩定但VASP業者其實有很好的技術跟創新有沒有可能未來專法上路的時候金融機構兼營沒有問題但是可不可以多鼓勵一些金融機構和VASP既有的這八家九家的業者 |
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能夠有更多技術合作啊投融資啊或者是限度開放更多的創新的商品甚至是一些其他的措施能夠讓整體的產業一起來發展這個部分主委可不可以簡要做個答覆是 謝謝委員我想剛剛委員描繪就是未來的方向因為其實我們VASP開始呢假設我們專法通過它開始針對機構做全面性的納管我上次也講過它是一個準金融機構那過去剛剛那個委員也提到說為什麼我們穩定必要 |
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先由金融機構來發我想不管從法尊還有內控上面這不可諱言我們金融機構還是遠征於現在的Vespa所以未來這兩個合作是必然的這個金三角還是要存在最後希望院長經過我們這樣的一個互動你應該理解到我們要捍衛國家主權數位主權金融主權不能只是喊我們相關的法令要早一點推出導入我們人工智慧時代的 |
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好 謝謝葛如君委員質詢謝謝卓院長 相關部會首長備詢 謝謝接下來我們登記第三位賴會員委員質詢改為書面請行政院書面答覆列入紀錄並刊登公報在接下來今天口頭質詢最後一位我們登記第四號黃珊珊委員請質詢 |
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謝謝院長請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢黃委員好院長好我想最近在臺灣我們都看到了一些非常大的新聞尤其是在金融界最大的新聞大概就是泰吉斯集團在臺灣的資產被查封 |
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這一個案例我們以為詐騙集團離我們很遠最近在Netflix上面有一齣戲叫做回魂記我不知道院長有沒有看過有 |
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他的女兒被詐騙集團又拐去受虐致死兩個傷心的母親我們以為他離我們很遠原來他們就在眼前而這個集團從2018、2019年就進到台灣了而且現在是美國政府用制裁的方式通報了台灣的檢方做出查封的動作 |
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臺灣已經變成詐騙集團的後花園臺灣已經成為他們隱藏資產的最佳的場地今天我們一直在打詐打到現在感覺是越打越詐而且這些人肆無忌憚把臺灣的法規還有相關的漏洞全部摸得一清二楚院長您是您進來之後第一個案子就是打詐專法你覺得這個專法現在 |
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有沒有一些功效還是看到這樣的跨國集團我們還有什麼方法可以做新的打詐釋法是有產生功效但這個功效我跟委員跟國人不會滿意的因為還是發生了很多案子但是我們的趨勢上財損數跟案件數是有下降沒有錯 |
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但是我們現在打招呼院長我今天要講的是你最近有發現因為我們的銀行很認真修法通過非常認真做了很多AI的管理所以很多小市民的帳戶平常沒人理他突然間他可能跟朋友去買個東西互相轉了個帳就被警示了這才是問題我今天要講的是 |
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那些詐騙集團幾百億幾千億上這邊騙人的然後在我們這邊買了幾十億的資產沒人管一個小小的市民他可能只是跟朋友check一下分個賬戶最近就被銀行把他的賬戶給凍結了這才是我今天的問題就是有關知識我知道你有很多話要說怎麼回事這麼大的不做這麼小的每天管這些要幹嘛 |
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沒有跟委員報告其實剛才提到就是說當然我們在做這個我在這邊必須說明一下就是我們在透過銀行我贊成要列管但是我要講的是我們要做的是大的要好好管 |
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所以我今天要看的是你看小市民的賬戶嚴格檢視務所的烏龍非常多院長最近主委有在處理但是詐騙集團這個案子從他進來台灣到銀行我相信他在101還開了公司這個101在去年年底的時候我有質詢過他們必須要對成豬人進行相關的身家調查這件事情有沒有做 |
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他們顯然沒有做101有回覆我我們還有開選商會議我們還有調查董監事資格我們才讓他進駐院長101是國家的門面101有公股的代表101的董事長是我們官派的透過這個例子我想我應該要要求101對內控管理上面對於成豬人必須進一步的瞭解是 |
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這個案子在我十幾年前當律師的時候就有人用著101的陳豬然後到處騙詐騙所以去年年底我提出質詢要求他們對於陳豬人要有一定的篩選尤其是詐騙集團用101的門面來詐騙所謂的投資人看到101公司在101一定沒問題這個要求是應該的因為101是國家的門面不能讓他變成詐騙 |
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太子集團運用了我們的新南向政策他們的所有人都是拿著柬埔寨的護照進進出出如入無人之境現在這種外商這種資歷如果主委你們拿出查小市民的那種AI精神現在這些很奇怪的怪怪的是不是應該KYC EDD再來做一次全面清查尤其是對柬埔寨 |
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其實我們對於現在剛才講說他在這邊我講尤其是對柬埔寨如果有這些所謂的境外公司來有這些境外的人來在我們的銀行體系當中你做個關懷吧做個清查吧我想委員他們進來很多細節沒辦法這邊說明其他這邊開戶還有這些往來並不是像我們現在已經這個案件揭露那麼的明顯我可以理解因為那個年代沒有這些規範 |
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我現在要說的是因為知道了所以我們現在往回頭去關懷 去推院長我要說的是小市民都這樣查啦這個也認真查一下我們會一樣認真的查好不好我覺得這個部分從現在開始用這個案例來回推2019 2018 新南向陣陣開始進來的多拿亞公司我們可能在銀行端要有一些動作不管如何 |
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我覺得不能再錯放了下一關是說為什麼這一次美國用這樣的方式因為他們是用行政上面用制裁的方式然後要求我們的檢調來配合對吧 主委是對我們跟我不禁想到的是院長我們想一想如果今天台灣發生了同樣的事情我們能不能得到國際社會這樣的協助 |
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我們能不能幫我們的民眾追回這些錢目前你有沒有這樣的機制你可不可以發一個文美國政府就幫你扣他在美國的財產目前有嗎 |
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我們要建立這樣的管道 目前我看是要這是我 我們在去年我們在提出所謂打炸專法的時候當時我們其實我們民眾黨提的案我們在洗錢防治法裡面我們希望能夠成立類似金融制裁專案辦公室也就是類似像恐怖分子反恐的這些動作因為行政的動作會比司法的動作快 |
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而且如果他已經影響到現在是一種跨國性的企業化經營的大型的洗錢詐騙他其實需要政府更快速的金融制裁就比同美國他用愛國者法案或者是相關的規範他們財政部就直接可以做行政制裁這是我上次在 |
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提案的時候有提出來但是你看看我們的法務部怎麼說沒有必要不符比例原則所以我們沒有辦法處理所以我們不需要快速金融制裁院長從這個案例我希望你們開始重新思考台灣在這樣的情況下我們有沒有能力去處理跨國大型公司企業化運作的詐騙行為如果可以我們是不是在法律上面應該慢慢的怎麼樣去建置這樣的機制 |
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我不希望行政院的回答是沒有必要在依法有據的前提底下能夠加強行政的作為加強對這些詐欺集團進一步的用快速的來制裁的話那我願意往這個方向請法務部單位能夠重新思考這個方向沒錯 至少往前走 |
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如果我們重新想過如果我們今天這些事情發生在台灣我們明知道那邊有財產我們要去查封它我們本身的外交行為本來就很辛苦了那我們自己又不積極不努力那人家為什麼要幫我們封一樣的意思嘛 好嗎 |
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現在高檢署應該有一個跨部會的小組來研議這樣的方向那我會請他來也重視委員所提的建議的內容如果我們可以快速的制裁我們可以快速的動作這些跨國性的大型的企業他們已經是企業化已經不是你用我們的洗錢房子個人帳戶在那邊封的那種方法了好嗎 |
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接下來我要問的是接下來我們大家最關心的就是不發現金其實政府的職責最近大家在討論的是怎麼領我們覺得台灣人最悲哀的是我們只要一個目標叫做不要被騙就好院長這樣聽起來難過了台灣人發現金不是寬天洗地都在想說怎麼樣不要被騙 |
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政府的職責只有一個確保錢不會被騙走所以院長您今年九月說希望留給國家做更有意義的用途不用領或者是你說要希望大家去旅遊還要多吃台灣豬肉那今天大家都開始領了您覺得應該您的立場還一樣嗎我覺得如果能夠在這個時候 |
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也用於國內的旅遊或是多幫助豬農在此時此刻應該是有用在國內消費啦盡量去協助大家過得讓你有需要的剛需也好或者是特別的需要消費去增加國內經濟的熱絡在此刻是需要的而且是對很好的工作但是這次大家吵最兇的就是說我們還是讓13歲以上的孩子他進到自己的帳戶嘛這我沒有什麼意見啦但是我要講的也是今天我非常重視的 |
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我們趁著金融自主我們希望孩子們能夠有自己的金融觀念但是我比較擔心的是我們對於我們的所有的孩子其實我們從小到大沒有教過他怎麼領財沒有教過他怎麼投資所以我們沒有金融素養的情況下你給他錢 |
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不趁這個機會做機會教育是很可惜的您看一下這個數字83%的孩子有自己的帳戶但是65%對於金融服務沒信心45%他每個月是超支的也就是他錢不夠23%有被詐騙過甚至18%曾經受損過 |
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幾百塊到幾十塊我的孩子也被騙過現在的孩子沒有被騙過的不多了第一網路購物太多第二你上去買東西然後就寄來一瓶寶特瓶就沒了這種事情很多我們當成是機會教育但是我要講的是院長如果學校沒有教你教孩子怎麼學 |
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所以我主張我們對於比方AI的知識跟理財的知識應該把它受教育的年齡層往下降放在學校裡面對 往下降第二個你知道學校沒教的事情現在孩子怎麼學的嗎93%是社群媒體社群媒體是他們學金融財經的唯一的管道93% |
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因為他爸爸媽媽都不懂啊但很難保證他得到的是正確的知識是 所以怎麼樣我一直跟彭主委說金融素養要進到學校甚至要從小開始學知道投資沒有人什麼十幾% 二十幾%的啦十幾% 二十幾%你還相信然後還把你身家全部拿去賠給了之後還去拿房子去抵押貸款的長輩一大堆 |
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我們應該建立青年人他正確的理財觀念我覺得如果你是AI內閣你這個要把它放在最基本的台灣的投資詐騙這麼興盛不是沒有道理因為台灣人善良台灣人相信朋友台灣人只要有投資會賺錢聽到股票的代號就去買了 |
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然後自己都不研究 也不知道為什麼我覺得這才是我擔心的所以今天的問題是兒童青少年被詐騙的人數已經到一個非常高的數字了從17歲以下就有3000多人23歲以下將近25000人也就是說我們的兒童青少年被詐騙的被害人是逐年上升的他們相信的大部分在社群媒體上 |
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上一次我們公共銀行全面抵制非實名制的社群平台不在上面上廣告我覺得這件事情很棒但是我想問一下主委這個成果怎麼樣我們叫他下架不登他的廣告現在的效果怎麼樣 |
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不過我想這部分因為主要是我們還是希望就是說透過一個比較完整的金融基礎教育這還是一個 這也是我們一直在努力其實我們在不管走入社區 走入校園我們一樣 我們有這麼多銀行有這麼多可以教育的他們有這麼多的資源怎麼樣協助我們的學校協助金管會 協助我們的教育部把這個部分下放到學校去不要透過這些社群媒體 |
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下廣告他們在那邊幹嘛主要他們還是一樣這個社群媒體有它一定的穿透力但是我們也是持續的透過我們的金融機構還有就是我們所有金融市場的力量跟學校社區來合作做這件事情還是持續在做最後這個我希望院長這應該成為你的重要政策 |
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既然我們的年輕人是我們的未來現在的問題是他剛講是被害人現在我們的少年詐欺犯成長率是年增率80%你看這個數字青少年詐欺犯罪從1000多人12歲到17歲變2900人然後18到13歲從6000多人變14000人他是 |
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倍數的成長每一年變成共犯的青少年是倍數的成長他不是只有沒有金融素養他甚至成為砸欺的共犯現在這個孩子才是最大的問題而且很多人是拿著他的帳戶去當人頭戶院長我只要求一個現在長輩的帳戶我們可以給他警示你有動作的時候要通知家屬一樣青少年的帳戶是不是應該做同樣的處理 |
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好的 謝謝委員我們會請現在行政院即將進一步強化的打詐指揮中心還有林秉新政委所主持的這個打詐業務重視這個數字也分析它的內容我們來針對問題做出解決的方法所以我要講的是這個數字我問金管會他跟我說他沒有統計院長 沒有統計就不會有統治我希望統計很重要分析很重要好嗎 謝謝 |
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謝謝黃珊珊委員質詢謝謝卓院長 相關部會首長備詢 謝謝 |
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接下來我們登記第五號林楚瑩委員改書面請行政院書面答覆我們列入紀錄並刊登公報在接下來也跟院會報告我們財政組織質詢已經詢答完畢謝謝所有財主相關單位的閣員們的備詢我們休息十分鐘十分鐘之後我們換為教育及文化組織質詢也請第一位質詢呂玉玲委員請準備現在休息 |
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報議會我們現在繼續開會進行教育及文化組織諮詢首先我們請呂玉玲委員諮詢鄭振前委員請準備謝謝主席請卓院長跟教育部的鄭部長麻煩請卓院長教育部長備詢 |
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吳仁豪院長 部長教育是我們國家的百年大計也是我們下一代成長的最主要的關鍵那首先本席要來跟你討教我們教師荒的問題通過教師荒我相信 |
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很多的委員也都提過這個問題那根據我們教育部的統計全國公立的國中小共有3303校缺了1429名的代理教師其中國小教師的缺額最高的縣市有新北 |
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台北跟台中 桃園跟彰化國中的部分缺了最高的前5名有新北 桃園 台北 台中跟台南這個就是我們教育現在鬧得人力荒的問題今年是更加的嚴重尤其是本席桃園地方某個學校它有公告7名的職缺都沒有人來報名桃園在7月31號有公告它的國中 |
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國文的部分增了40次然後它的數學部分增了46次的老師地理部分增了49次七項職缺通通都沒有人來報名徵選所以請教院長部長這個教育師的教育老師的教育荒這問題我們如何的解決有什麼解決的辦法 |
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請部長答問兩個原則第一個先要把教師的留任的意願提高再來熱地的這種缺額實際的精算實際的做法教育部是非常努力請部長跟委員報告我們事實上從這一個統計數字來看事實上我們目前中小學總共有老師19萬 |
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19萬多你針對我的問題缺了老師怎麼樣去補這個辦法我要跟委員報告說我們國中小我們事實上以現在的所有全國的這些大專業校在培養師師他事實上每一年領友證照大概有我知道你都有培訓但是沒有投入第一線的教師工作所以我要跟委員報告就是說我們也利用這段時間在鼓勵 |
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鼓勵這個地方政府就說因為根據地方自治法本來國民教育就是地方的全責但是教育部在培養師這個部分我們是量是夠的但是地方怎麼樣去攬柴你完全沒有了解到真正的問題我剛剛就講了你有在培訓教師但是沒有投入第一線比較完整的跟委員報告當然老師 |
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等於說他有教師證他不願意到地方去任教為什麼不到第一線你有沒有發現這個問題科技產業他的一個發達待遇比較好所以薪資有問題嗎還有另外一個比如說學校我們看到至少我從去年520進來我一直在觀察也是一直希望解決這個問題我們看到家長老師跟校長基本上 |
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互信不夠這對小孩子的一個教育是不好的部長我也很想聽你講完你這個去年發現這個問題到今年一年之間你的努力做了什麼但是我發現你並沒有發現真正的原因所以本席來提醒你告訴你你來做謝謝委員提醒 |
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那就是因為有這個教師荒的問題在這個BBC這個深度去探討我們台灣年齡層年輕老師的這個斷層的問題在2004年的話我們年輕的老師在30歲以下的話占比高中小占比大概在17到23%國中部分的話大概占比在這個將近 |
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在20%所以我們看到我們現在的這個占比數一直在下滑到不到10%不到10%這就是為什麼第一線的在年齡斷層裡面不願意投入到我們第一線來做教育的工作這個發生的問題第一個部長你剛好提到了薪資待遇現在我們的老師啊 |
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的薪資待遇的話在台灣中小學的師資的底薪是兩萬五千元現在的勞工的基本工資是兩萬九千五百元這是不是有落差了雖然老師他有研究家級導師家級跟行政家級跟偏遠地系家級但是這大概在四五萬塊而已 |
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四五萬塊而已做了十年後才可能多四萬多到七萬多那如果說你是讀理工科的話他們薪資可能就會更高了就像半導體業者的話他們都會比較高所以這個就是薪資問題 |
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本席要提醒你就是薪資問題但是教師的結構他本來就是本縫加學術研究會不能說把他一刀兩切說他的本縫是自己勞工我想這樣的一個比較是本席告訴你的你要聽清楚我剛剛有說你他的底薪是兩萬五千元加幾加起來到四五萬有加加幾所以現在這些 |
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勞工的基本工資20年來了他漲幅大概在230%但是我們老師的終點費 |
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大概長在5%到29%長的幅度非常小所以第一個原因就是薪資待遇你可以做一個調整好不好那第二個就是行政工作因為我們的行政人員並沒有設置行政人員老師都要兼行政人員工作非常的辛苦尤其是我們教育政策一直在變遷當下現在包括的12年國教 |
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還有108的課綱老師要做備課要做一些資料報表等等都是勞心勞力非常的辛苦又要來監證這個行政人員的話我相信他們以疲以奔命所以這一個改善教師的這個工作環境這是第二點好不好你有沒有發現 |
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你有沒有發現這問題我去年總諮詢也提過了但是並沒有設立行政人員的也感謝委員的一個關注台灣教育的包括老師的這一個工作前夜我也因為這樣跟到北中南東我跟到各地方去跟家長老師 |
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部長家長老師學校你都可以去做一個溝通但是付諸行動制度你要去做啊你都知道但是一年又過去了你都沒有做所以北溪提醒你你聽我講因為你剛剛講的只是北中南溝通老師家長 |
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溝通你並沒有付諸行動具體的一個政策出來所以本席提醒你新知改善教育環境還有本席要再提醒你第三個就是現在很多家長會投訴 |
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老師要被調查或者是他們很多的工作上身心都會懼乏所以在第一線工作上沒有辦法去支撐需要有代課老師那現在缺老師 教師荒就有代課老師的問題代課老師和代理老師也都不一樣在第一線工作的老師他們的薪資不如正式的老師 |
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他不如正式老师但是我们在我们的工作上有特别的有一个条例是说专任教师可以比照老师但是待课老师他就没有办法比照老师这一点的话我们是不是做一个调整这个是比方是说年资的加紧待课老师有没有年资 |
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戴克老師因為他授課的時數戴克老師的話只上一個學校嗎他只有戴一個禮拜或者兩個禮拜的兩節課或者因為所以他確實以目前來講是沒有部長戴克老師大部分都是學校老師去代理其他同事的課程叫戴克我現在講戴克 代理老師 |
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又是不一樣的所以這兩個是不一樣的所以我現在一直講很多老師偏鄉請不到譬如說數學老師 工老師偏鄉老師開學的都還請不到我們是不是可以比照 |
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專任老師的方式我們家計都有給他 偏項都有給他但是師資的家計沒給他為什麼 本席要提醒你的就是說因為啊 這個代課或代理老師他們 |
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沒有辦法說一個學校就帶課他可能要去找好多學校帶課的機會對不對所以也疲於奔命 還要備課所以沒辦法回饋給學生他的學習的歷程所以這方面可不可以研議可不可以研議給年資的加緊 |
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謝謝委員提醒我想確實如果有這樣屬於代課但是它事實上是在特別偏鄉有一個區域性的好幾個學校譬如說本土語言的老師或者Steam科學的老師他確實這樣的代 |
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我想我們全盤來了解來研議謝謝委員接受我們很高興因為這些都是教育團體提供給本席的都是他們現場第一線的老師提供出來的意見好不好生意是有讓老師生產的臨時要找代理老師代課老師都有這個需要臨時找是不容易找的嘛好不好雖然說有流浪老師但是我們希望這老師還是給他輔導起來可不可以 |
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就是你要有誘因這個誘因就是本席所講的這個部分希望你每一下都去研擬教育部我們的態度跟委員是一樣怎麼樣有一個更好的教育的環境然後讓學生老師安心教然後學生安心學能夠有一個好的學習品質 |
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要安心 再提供你一個意見就是說在改善我們職場當中現在國民小學的員額編制在105年提高到1.65到現在將近10年的都沒有再做調整台北現在每個班是1.9 新北是1.7台中也是1.7 |
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那現在我們教育部的規定是1.65那很多學校 全台灣的話很多學校都比照你這個底線標準是1.65可不可以這個也來做一個調整調整到1比8還是1比7這樣子好不好 |
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還是我們鼓勵地方 政府訂一個最起碼的標準但是你地方怎麼去攬財 留財 提升教育品質地方是有這個前摺的因為地方各自的需要去做調整但是底線標準定在那邊很多學校就會依照你的底線標準來完成 |
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你去研議 可不可以再調整去調整 剛剛柏熙告訴你的不只偏鄉 柏熙給你念的前五名都是台北 新北 桃園 台中所以請你去研議 調整高一點 |
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感謝委員提醒我現在未來我們會跟地方政府有更積極的討論比如說在財化法以後地方有更豐富的一個財源你制度面要先制定好來你的原來制度標準要定個底線不要再出來啊 |
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全國就會一起試用我們這個底線當然我們要跟地方來討論因為持平論教育部如果定的太高我們希望太好但是地方政府沒有辦法去執行的話我想這也圖法就是我們只是好 部長你願意接受那去研議問題都出來了教室荒很嚴重好不好 |
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我跟委員報告一句話委員應該給部長多一點鼓勵因為您剛剛說的大部分關於教師行政職代課老師種種未來一個新的想法 |
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部長在前幾天已經向我報告說明過了我們會查這個方針 應該給部長多一點努力你說的問題他不能夠提到這些問題我都點出來了你去研究來提升我們學校師資的穩定性跟持續性讓我們的老師可以留任 留下來 |
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在第一線為我們的孩子來付出我剛說第一個強調他留任的機制部長都已經提出他的想法我剛點出幾個問題你一定要去做付出具體的制度出來感謝委員一路來都關心事實上剛才委員所關心的不管校事法或者老師的待遇或者行政原諒或者種種的問題我們事實上也我要利用這個機會要特別謝謝院長他事實上是有指示教育部一定要 |
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正視這些問題然後要有一個相對的與時機性的做法謝謝部長請你演繹出來謝謝部長請回謝謝部長請回我現在請國科會的吳主委主委你慢慢走過來因為我時間有限時間暫停主委也沒問題時間暫停謝謝慢慢走不要急不要摔跤了 |
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好 時間繼續院長 各位因為時間有限我直接切主題那就是我們桃竹苗大溪谷計畫已經在執行當中那現在我們的龍潭龍科三期有列入大溪谷的這個計畫裡面那現在因為我們龍科三期在2022年的時候就已經公布 |
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要來擴充我們的這個科學園區那時候的話因為是土地範圍沒有跟民眾溝通所以有卡關的情形但是本席跟我們科管局還有市政府都一再的溝通現在大約的土地面積在90公頃左右 |
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那在去年的12月跟3月已經開了兩場公聽會本來是今年的3月應該要送到行政院來核定但是又有民眾要願意納入所以又再舉辦 再啟動公聽會所以本期想請問的就是是不是大廠 國際廠商要進來進去所以你要再重新啟動公聽會 |
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希望能夠擴大 |
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那因為你重新啟動公聽會了那昨天大概是在11月28、29又要開公聽會那現在如果公聽會完畢又有人要納入那不是無限期遙遙無期就一直在舉辦公聽會上所有程序重新啟動嗎是不是有可以確定啟程這次11月28、29公聽會完畢就受行政院迴避我們除了管理公聽會跟桃園市政府 |
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我們會現在啟動工會也是因為台灣市政府希望照顧到就等於是有范教維的大使邱瑜要進來 林毅要進來所以我們肯定不夠再增加的工程是不是 我們在那邊照常理我們樂觀其成啦 但是我的意思是說這一次的公務會完畢就要送行征的額底不要又有人要當 又重新啟動工會好 副法委員 你要市政府的推薦那法官也推薦 法官就在那邊照顧 |
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好 謝謝李玉玲委員的質詢謝謝卓院長 相關部會首長的備詢 謝謝歡迎我們一場二樓旁聽來自台北市延平高中的同學我們掌聲歡迎各位優秀的同學接下來登記第二位麥玉珍委員質詢改為書面我們請行政院書面答覆並列入公報記錄再接下來我們請鄭振前委員質詢王鴻薇委員請準備 |
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謝謝主席 我想請一下周榮泰院長再請周院長備詢 |
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政委員好 院長好我延續剛剛呂玉玲委員她針對桃竹苗大矽谷的問題我也跟著問一下因為賴總統在2020年選舉的時候桃竹苗大矽谷是她很重要的一個產業政策的一環因為它涵蓋面非常的廣包括了空間的問題然後包括了教育的問題人才的問題 產業的問題還包括了生活的問題等等確實也在2024年9月 |
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主委長上來之後也正式的宣布上路了那確實也很熱鬧也吸引了大家很多的關注那麼在1月20號的時候今年1月20號的時候中央跟地方政府也達成了一個共識決定要建立桃竹苗大細股計畫的一個溝通平台中央跨部會跟地方政府的院長知道這個事情嘛 對不對 |
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桃州苗大氣谷一直是我們六大區域產業生活區的領頭最先核定的部分所以說我們在1月20號的時候呢中央有決定跨部會跟地方成立一個溝通的一個平台可是10個月過去了到現在一次會都沒有開 |
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那我這邊比較疑惑的是我們大細股計畫只是一個選舉競選的一個口號還是真的要如實如實的下去推可不可以請院長口頭回覆一下當然不是我們在大細股桃樹苗大細股的計畫之後我們其他的六大區域產業生活圈的計畫都依序的都核定了這個是未來 |
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要襯托台灣基礎建設重要的一個生活指標那很好那我想說陶九華大西湖計畫裡面他有四大策略包括深耕在地前瞻科技驅動產業創新然後強化深科技新創發展然後第三點在配合在地需求延攬與培育人才這跟教育部有關那麼優化園區建設構築科技廊帶跟整個國科有關我想請教的狀態是在第三點的部分 |
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就是延攬在地的需求跟培育人才我想請教清華大學是不是在我們這次桃秋喵大西湖計畫當中人才佈局裡面的主軸學府 |
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清華大學 因為他就在當地啊 應該是舊地人才的 肯定是嘛 因為清華大學在陶竹苗大戲舞計畫當中 肯定是一個人才佈局很重要的一個學府嘛 對不對 是嘛 OK好那我想說 因為在整個配合在地需求延攬培育人才當中 有好多好多的子計畫那麼很多裡面的時候 包括成立那個 |
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重點的一個研究的學校或者是科專等等或者說有一些產業碩士等等很多的部分都是教育部這邊相關的清華大學因為為了要配合我們桃九毛大矽谷計畫它也提出了很多的一個具體的計畫出來 |
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包括要擴大招生還有擴大師資的一個部分然後希望建置一個校園的一個改善跟整個強化資訊安全系統然後跟整個教職員的一個部分這些部分都是為了要去符合桃竹貓大細股計畫包括我們經濟部在講AI產業當中未來五年的時候要增加20萬個就業人口一樣的一個狀態都在培育人才可是我發現就是清華大學很積極可是教育部的回應很冷淡 |
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院長知不知道這個事情這個應該要請教育部來比較了解謝謝委員關心我們產業重點產業的一些人才培育跟產業的發展 |
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確實清華大學它是一個非常有品牌也非常好的一個大學 頂尖大學那也跟委員報告在清華大學它的一個校務即校務發展配合產業所培養人才基本上教育部都是樂觀其成持平而論我們是擔心清華他老師的教學負荷量太高他不願意申請 |
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太多的這些民眾的增加也就是說我要跟文報告這麼多我在一分鐘我跟文報告因為清華大學你覺得教育部怎麼回嗎教育部回他們了直接公文回他們說依程序申請 |
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然後教育部說到時候試資源條件再來核定那我要特別講的狀態是如果清華大學很願意很積極那部長剛剛提到說你剛剛還在擔心清華大學不願意太積極去做怕增加太多的loading那現在清華大學他們願意去做希望部長給他們更多的支持好不好 |
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這是肯定的但是我要跟委員報告他最近有一個案子是因為新的年度的這個這一個戲所的名額都已經核定了然後他才要申請就說我們有一定程序的申請在這個過程上 |
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因為你現在口頭上也答應要給清華大學更多的一個支持那這樣就夠了我們會讓清華大學在基本上希望教育部這邊給他們更多的一個支持那我這邊希望請教一下院長部長可以我請教一下院長 |
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我們這邊呢 因為我剛剛提到說從1月20號開始的時候我們有個中央跟地方的跨平台的一個溝通的狀態針對桃園文大西湖計畫可是到現在十個月都沒有開會我在想可不可以就是院長承諾一下我們接下來每一個月能夠針對這個跨中央地方的一個溝通平台的時候能夠建立一個越都島的一個制度可不可以 |
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跟委員報告 桃竹苗大矽谷跟我們現在推動的大南方新矽谷我會說這是兩個引擎帶動國家的高科技產業所以我們不會讓他沒有進度的那您說的那個平台應該是屬於國發會在主持的那國發會 |
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據知國發會應該是有開過會議1月10號開過1月20號開過之後就沒有了所以我這邊只是希望跟院長承諾一下報告委員昨天有再開過國發會昨天再開 又開了那有開其實好事可是我希望院長這邊承諾一下我們有一個越都島的機制把這管考部分抓緊一點好不好好的 應該的好 感謝那我接下來我想請教一下因為那個 |
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台美的對等關稅的問題其實因為還沒有做最後的一個結論那這過程當中有很多的部分那我今天針對台積電的問題要就教於行政院長因為我們的行政院副院長也直接表示要幫川普來建立美版的竹科然後要來換取我們關稅的一個優惠這是一個 |
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然後我們的副總統他也特別提到我們已經承諾要在美投資不僅是台積電還包括了整個生態系那這個部分的時候表示副總統已經很清楚提到了台灣的半導體供應鏈會一起赴美那這樣子的一件事情的時候我想針對這個部分請教一下院長在這麼多的訊息當中 |
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美國的官員提到了台積電的高階製程要五五分50%要在美國生產這個部分我們行政院有沒有具體的態度兩個方面跟委員回答我想行政院從來沒有說過美版竹科這四個字 |
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竹科就是竹科竹科的經驗很難在其他地方國家來複製的但是我們現在跟美國成立一個服務園區那不是美版的竹科那是一種服務台商也服務在地的廠商以後做更多人才資金的合作第二個所有的555分這個議題是一直是不存在的 |
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都不存在 都不存在的OK 院長我這邊跟你講幾個部分因為我們看了就是台積電的一個法說會的相關報告裡面還有我們目前整個一些幾個相關的指標我這邊是參考了美國國際貿易委員會還有一些相關的國外的一些研究機構他們提出來的狀態2024年台灣的GDP大概是7690億美元我用美元來計算因為後面也都是用美元來算台灣政府的稅收大概在3.73 |
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造台幣就是1127億美元左右那我們政府的稅收大概佔整個名目GDP大概14%然後按照美國國際貿易委員會他這邊提出來的一些指標出來說台灣的半導體產業佔台灣GDP的13%到20%因為不同的一個研究機構的時候他們出來的一個數字有點落差我一樣 |
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就是透明的一個呈現這樣表示說在台灣大概每七八塊賺七八塊的錢大概就有一塊是半導體產業出來的所以半導體產業它如果出現很大的變化的時候對台灣肯定是很大的影響這很簡單的概念應該沒有問題對不對 院長 |
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這個論述的方向是對的那是不是精準到這個部分這沒問題 因為我這邊也有一個論據在這個論述方向基本上是對的謝謝院長那這邊的時候我們也看到科學園區竹科 中科跟南科在去年2024年的時候 |
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在整個機體電路的一個產值已經佔全部科學園區的79.99%將近八成所以台灣非常的依賴半導體這個產業那我們看到了這個部分的時候我要特別提到的一個情況是說因為目前為止 |
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台積電確定要到美國去投資就超過1650億美元在日本投資有200億美元在德國投資有110億美元加起來將近2000億美元這是已經浮上檯面的院長你知道今年台積電的資本投資幾乎都在台灣是多少錢你知道嗎 |
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應該不知道 我直接簡單跟你講他的法說當中直接講說在400億到420億當我們有將近2000億的資本要投資到海外去的時候將近是五年2025年台積電在台灣的投資金額這對台灣的經濟產業還有高所得 |
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家庭等等會有多大的影響我不知道院長這邊有沒有要求我們相關的單位做出一個台灣高階半導體製程移到海外去之後會對台灣產生的影響的評估有沒有細節我請主委但是我認為這個是產業自己 |
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全球佈局的一個方式再來他投資的這2000億委員所說的不是一年2000億的台灣人所以我也直接講所以2025年台積電法術會長他2025年投資的資本投資是420億而且大部分在台灣 |
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那接下來這兩千億當中的時候如果以2025年標準等於五年的投資金額他都不在台灣未來台積電在台灣的設廠投資還是會最多的理解台積電在台灣的投資不會停下來 |
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理解他不會減少那他在海外的投資他也會透過董事會的同意也會逐年來編列啦這個部分都沒有問題這是在擴充投資主委 院長這都沒有問題我只是要呈現出一個狀態就是台積電它基本上 |
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到海外去投資這麼大規模的時候很多民眾還會擔心台灣的半導體業被掏空再加上當時我們經濟部這邊在講說境外關內 境內關外這樣的一個投資要讓很多產業跟著半導體 |
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現在不只是產業鏈外移以副總統的說法是整個生態系的一個外移以這樣的狀態的時候我們很擔心所以我們希望行政院能夠針對台積電高製程高階製程的部分能夠做更進一步的評估到底對台灣會產生怎麼樣子的一個影響 |
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好 委員這個其實我們都一直在關注一直在評估一直在跟台積電在討論這個事情我們的先進製程研發絕對留在台灣台灣的投資不會減少 不會中斷因為現在供不應求所以我們在海外是增加投資增加投資的原因是因為台積電的收入一直不斷的在成長所以它有本錢可以往海外再過所以你的意思是說今年台積電在台灣投資420億美元 |
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明年接下来几年也都会持续这么高金额的投资资本投资在台湾吗在台湾的投资也会基于我们在园区开发的这个速度不见得是同样的但是一定会增加因为台积电它是一个企业这本席都会理解可是我要讲的状态是台积电420亿2025年的资本投入在台湾 |
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它基本上佔了台灣GDP的5.2%非常非常的高如果接下來台積電沒有繼續在台灣投資的時候我覺得台灣的經濟成長產生非常令人擔心的問題所以本席只是希望我們行政院包括我們國科會經濟部相關的單位能夠好好的去因應這樣子的一個問題因為我剛剛提到那幾個具體的數字都是很客觀的一個數字出來 |
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我們現在這兩千億就是五年台積電在台灣投資的一個金額兩點跟委員報告基於政府的全球產業的戰略跟我們所有產業自主性的全球佈局跟留台灣 以台灣為優先這個絕對沒有改變 |
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另外現在包括台積電在內其他國內的在世界有指標作用的科技大廠還一直在尋覓適合的地點能夠進行他們擴廠投資這個部分政府會協助他們我們也希望地方政府能夠一起來協助讓產業能夠在台灣繼續增加他的投資 |
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這沒問題因為我在想說我們都希望台灣好也希望台積電能夠繼續帶動台灣的經濟成長只是說因為美國給他們用就是組合權在給台灣壓力我們希望政府也一樣有一套組合權去回應美國給的壓力我們不只是解決關稅的問題也要解決整個產業的問題 |
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那麼當然包括了我們台灣最依賴的半導體相關的一個產業我們這個生態系好不容易建立起來不要因為短短為了現在要去滿足川普政府的一個壓力的時候我們就完全拱手浪出去我覺得這會造成台灣未來非常令人憂心的一個經濟跟國安的狀態報告委員我們絕對一定會把台灣的這個產業持續壯大 |
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好 謝謝鄭振堅委員質詢謝謝卓院長 相關部會首長備詢 謝謝好 接下來我們請王洪威委員質詢 |
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好 謝謝主席我先請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢我也先請我們的教育部長麻煩再請教育部長備詢黃委員好院長好和我們政部長好委員好院長可能因為今天 |
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我們的教文的質詢除了我們麥玉珍委員因為她今天在立法院有一個新住民的座談因為她來自於全國的新住民的代表但是我看到我們執政黨的委員今天竟然有高達六位委員都提出書面質詢我不曉得是認為我們的教文的質詢不重要還是在體恤院長的心不會跟委員報告 |
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在這裡的總諮詢無論是口頭跟書面行政院一樣的重視我們的教育文化的委員們也許在委員會當中跟部長都清楚的了解今天他即使提出書面諮詢我們也會詳細的來答覆但是這麼多位的委員提出書面諮詢確實是在立法院比較少見院長先請教院長最近在 |
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国内热议的一个议题就是诈骗最近一个跨国的太子集团因为它整个的洗钱高达好几百亿而在台湾被台湾确定它的不法所得就高达45亿元之多 |
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在上个星期他们这些涉案人陆续有人被羁押有人被交保其中有一个这样的画面就是有一位特助在被交保了之后这样的开怀的颤笑而引起台湾国内舆论的哗然认为一个这样的跨国的诈骗集团而且他的光是在台湾不罚所得就已经超过45亿元 |
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但是交保竟然少少的15萬元所以院長你看到這樣的畫面這樣的一個新聞你震怒嗎我一直對於這樣的結果我認為是對我們第一線的檢調人員士氣極大的打擊 |
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很不容易發現一個詐團把他的首腦或是相關的人員把他逮捕到了結果法院輕輕的幾萬塊錢交保這個不僅是國人的觀感不好對這些執法人員士氣是極大的打擊我認為詐騙的方式我們要有效的防詐行政司法要同步來執行 |
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所以连院长都看不下去所以我在这边要特别讲一下因为前阵子我们关心的比如说川普到亚洲访问在东协他们开会的时候就是韩国的总统李在明 |
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他針對南韓大學生在柬埔寨被虐死那麼他震怒而且他直接跟國際犯罪組織宣戰他說如果這些國際犯罪組織膽敢碰韓國人或將其捲入犯罪我們要讓他知道結局只有家破人亡 |
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這是李在明對國際犯罪組織的一個宣戰那麼就是因為他震怒然後在這個十月份在東南亞舉行東協會議的時候呢李在明就跟柬埔寨的這個領導人見面 |
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非常快速的在柬埔寨所有韓國涉案的這些詐騙的這些歹徒全部送到韓國去接受司法制裁可是呢我們必須說前陣子我們也是討論到 |
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台灣到現在還是很多人被騙到柬埔寨結果我們只能在機場裡面去舉標語說要小心詐騙所以我要講的是我非常肯定剛才院長這樣的答覆 |
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雖然這個是司法院可能說這司法獨立但是司法不能夠置外於我們整個的社會觀感司法不能置外於我們打擊詐騙打擊犯罪的一個決心對不對所以在這邊我利用今天的總諮詢我覺得還是要提醒院長和行政單位 |
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院長其實我今天為什麼特別選擇教文我剛才說其實我們最近教育出了很大的問題最近討論最多的就是我們的教師荒到今年這個學期其實很多學校在開學之後還在徵老師 |
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有很多學校開學了好幾個月還在缺老師那有很多的學校因為老師極度的缺乏所以呢很多老師事實上呢他是超時在工作所以我必須講現在全台的教師荒已經成為了我們的新國安問題我們這幾年來護理人員缺 |
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軍警消缺然後現在教師缺所以這是社會這個國家最中間的力量這樣大量的缺乏人才這是我們必須去正視的 |
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所以我在這邊請教我們的部長我剛剛有提到很多學校到了10月份還在徵老師那也有學校說他們真的44次還是招不到老師所以我在這邊直接的 |
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像就教育院長和部長我們現在其實教育第一線之所以這樣人才極度的缺乏有很多很多的原因但是我在這邊特別提到這個事實上在我們的教文的部門的質詢的時候我也有看到比如說像葛如軍委員他曾經就去整理我們教師的終點費 |
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國小教師終點費還有國中教師及高中教師終點費他去統計從美國是79年一直到現在35年35年這個物價都不知道飛漲到什麼程度了一碗滷肉飯都不曉得已經漲成什麼樣子了對不對可是部長院長你知道嗎我們國小教師的終點費35年調升 |
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是76块35年调了76块以现在来讲一个便当都买不到我们高中教师的终点费还有国中教师终点费35年调生只有18块到20块 |
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我們葛珠區委員說這搞不好一支比較好的原子筆都買不到現在連泡麵都買不到所以長期以來我們第一線的教師用他們的使命用他們的熱情但是因為現在沒有什麼尊師重道的精神再加上他們第一線其實壓力非常大我在這邊就要特別為第一線的教師們請命這個也是大家討論很多的剛才我講的終點 |
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還有就是導師費大家都知道你要擔任導師的話你到了晚上都還要跟家長的群組LINE大家東問西問你不可能就這樣輕輕鬆鬆的就下班了所以導師事實上他肩負非常大的一個行政的責任跟一個教育的責任我們國中小導師也動長了13年國中小導師的 |
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的這個導師費就是職務加給導師費也動漲長達13年之久13年之久那所以其實也有很多的教師團體說應該把現在動漲的導師費也應該予以提高不然的話我剛才講了35年漲什麼漲20塊18塊泡麵都買不成然後 |
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13年來導師費從來都沒有調漲過那這個其實在我知道在教育部門質詢的時候都有很多委員問到部長部長也承諾說要提出方案所以部長此時此刻可不可以給我們一個很明確的讓我們第一線現在的不管是終點費也好或者是這個導師費也好可以予以調整 |
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跟我們報告確實院長也有指示我們怎麼樣去給中小學老師有一個更好的待遇讓他們能夠更安定的能夠來從事教室指導我們新世代的這些學生我想我們也內部也確實積極在研議但是因為許多的這些國民教育許多經費上的一些資用那也涉及到地方22個地方縣市院長也特別指示 |
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國教署一定要先跟地方22個地方縣市政府能夠先大家先討論那我們到時候會有一個具體的一個方案什麼時候呢因為我看你在教文委員會就已經講說一個月內要提出一個月已經到了 |
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我們當時大概就是說我們希望配合校事會議的時候大概在12月底之前那當然所以會不會調來來我請我請教院長因為今天總質詢院長 |
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第一線教師的我剛講包含長期都沒有調整的終點費和導師費是不是應該要調整是跟委員報告部長在日前上個禮拜上一個禮拜兩個禮拜已經來說明過而且在質詢過程過程當中我也接受到這樣的訊息 |
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對長期教師的待遇應該要更合理化但是我們考慮到國中小它應該屬於地方自治事項如果現在的調整未來這個人事費的支應是中央或地方或中央地方如何來協調這個部分 |
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一定要跟地方談到 地方也願意那我們才能來定一個方式否則又會變成說中央請客 地方買單所以我們必須跟地方建談所以你的標準要一致喔可是你們每次軍公教調薪你們也就是直接宣布啊對不對 軍公教調薪本來就也有地方的支出那行之多年 我們也是用補助的方式 |
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所以我在這邊我就是要院長一句話就是我剛才說我們現在我們面對新的國安問題護理人員我們那時候護理人員應該要加薪真的應該要加薪我們現在這麼多這麼重要的這些領域的人才都在都在喊沒有人這是很可怕的事情教育 |
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這百年大計我們不能讓教育界變成教育成為一個好像是黃昏產業這不可以這樣子絕對不能變成但是現在就是這樣啊考上教師證也不願意來當教師我們已經重視了解我們並不是黃昏產業我們大部分的中小學老師還是謹守崗位跟外包委員也非常清楚 |
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我們任何一項最近這三年來的國際評比我們沒有一項是落於五名之後所以這是我們第一線的教師非常非常的認真努力因為我時間有限謝謝部長就是一定要努力時間請暫停一下鄭部長請回我請一下我們文化部李部長麻煩請文化部長備詢 |
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時間繼續最近監察院針對台灣Plus指出了一些缺失而台灣Plus從110年到現在已經花掉58億未來還要花40億也就是說我們在台灣Plus要砸下百億元但是呢 |
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台湾Plus的争议不断不管是说我讲的监察院提出这些它有很多的缺失然后包含这个过去还有英籍的高阶编辑离台说我们质疑政治干预了台湾Plus的一个编辑 |
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更不要說之前報導說川普是重刑犯最近還有一個很離譜的事情就是有一個十二強的紀錄片我們都知道聽台灣這個紀錄片院長你也不知道 |
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上線三天就消失了已經消失一個月我們也去問沒有給我們理由沒有給我們理由為什麼消失我認為應該是版權出包了像這種缺失出來好像都靜悄悄的假裝沒有發生這些事情所以我在這邊具體 |
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具體的來提出台灣Plus已經到了應該去檢討它是不是繼續應該存在你看它花這麼多錢以前花這麼多錢從110年到117年要花將近100億在台灣Plus我們有看到它的成效嗎剛才院長我們講到我們很多第一線需要 |
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需要幫他加薪護理人員要加薪軍警應該要加薪然後教師應該加薪都說沒有錢結果我們花在錢花在這些上面完全錢沒有花在刀口上所以10plus明年的預算我們會嚴格的監督連監察院都提出他的成效有問題 |
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然後還要不要花這麼多錢我們是不是應該把我們有限的資源移到應該去第一線該加薪的就去加薪院長你是不是覺得這種錢花的我真的不曉得看不出任何成效啊文化部能夠對於台灣plus的編輯台以及所有的記者能夠在座通盤的了解 |
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他真正要plus台灣的一個功能他的存在才有他的價值對 沒有錯如果按照現在我們也可以去比比如像韓國阿里郎如果你先去比較我們的點閱率我們的數量 |
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好 謝謝王宏威委員的質詢謝謝卓院長 相關部會首長備詢 謝謝接下來登記第五位郭玉琴委員第六位吳思瑤委員第七位陳俊宇委員三位委員質詢均以書面提出我們請行政院書面答覆並列入紀錄刊登公報再接下來我們請羅美玲委員質詢黃婕維請準備 |
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謝謝主席有請卓院長還有教育部正部長麻煩再請卓院長教育部長備詢諾元豪 |
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院長好首先本期要就新住民大學入學方案成效不佳的問題要跟院長還有部長做一個探討為了鼓勵新住民持續進入高等教育所以我們在108年11月的時候修訂了大學法第25條第一項然後在109年12月的時候訂定了新住民就讀大學辦法以不占原核定名額外加2%的方式 |
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鼓励这个规划后的新住民报考大学那立法的这个目的呢是非常的友善也是希望友善新住民可以顺利衔接这个台湾的高等教育可是这个上路之后呢报考的新住民人数真的是非常非常的低那本席曾经在111年的时候呢跟教育部呢探讨过报考人数多的报考人数低的这个问题可是当时呢教育部就 |
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就有回應啊說因為制度剛上路那也許是因為宣導不足所以呢給教育部一點時間那當時的本期就曾經叫跟建議教育部能務必要跟移民署來合作讓政策宣導可以下放到基層可是我們現在來看三年過去了到底成效如何那有關於這一個 |
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新住民就讀的大學的辦法實施之後我們可以先來看111年111年全國有71所大專院校不管是在附學士班學士班或者是說碩士班 |
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博士班其實都有開出了這個名額那時候的招生名額總計全國是4135位可是我們看報考的人數有多少其實總計只有33位 |
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我们开出了4000多的名额可是呢报考的人数只有33位那录取的人是只有11位而且报名有些地方报名的人数甚至一直以来都是挂零的那时候呢本席曾经在111年的时候跟教育部来做探讨的时候教育部说给我们一点时间 |
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相信制度刚上路所以呢宣导不足所以造成这个报名的这个人数呢是如此的这低落好111年整体的报名人数是不到0.8%连一趴都不到 |
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那照理来讲如果按照教育部当初的讲法来讲的话那我们已经经过三年的该宣导也都宣导了那有没有成效呢我们来看有没有成效呢111 112年113年114年我们发现报考人数越来越惨 |
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完全沒有一點進步耶完全沒有一點改善那我不曉得這個政策推行這麼多年以來教育部有沒有做通盤的檢討當初的這個美意真的是非常的好我們都非常的感謝讓新住民可以順利銜接 |
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台湾的这个高等教育可是没有想到现在出来的这个数据是如此的这个凄惨而且呢三年下来我们发现现在报名的人数我们看114年根本不到0.3% |
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所以我想請教部長我們到底有沒有做過通盤的檢討還是說本席還沒有詢問這個之前這好像也不是教育部的重點所在我不曉得為什麼當初的免疫會淪為這個幽靈政策請問失靈的原因有檢討過嗎請問部長 |
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謝謝委員關心新住民特別他們都已經規劃我們我國國籍那他的一個高等教育的受教學其實從我們過去的一個研究發現大概過去的一個data看到新住民世上的小朋友他幾多的課業並不亞於我們 |
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後來小朋友一路讀小學、國中、高中到大學他們的成績其實不遑多讓所以我們現在當然有開了一個申請入學但是委員所關心的我們怎麼去對新住民特別規劃的這些即將進入高等教育接受 |
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這一個人才的培育也為產業能夠厚植實力我想這個部分我會後我再來更進一步的來了解整個我們在跟委員是不是在跟委員提出一個說明 |
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來 部長剛剛您給我的回答我發現您有一點搞混了我剛剛根本就沒有提到新住民二代它是針對新住民新住民二代當然就是在台灣出生長大在台灣受教育當然比照國人我現在所講的這個政策是針對新住民本身 |
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OK 我們再來看一下 這個真的是部長要跟你們部內相關的單位好好的來做探討因為連部長都搞不清楚新住民就讀大學辦法的對象到底是誰他的招生對象就是新住民跟新住民二代一點關係都沒有 |
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因为新住民有很多都是在国外受教育那可能因为他的母国的教育体系可能没有办法衔接到台湾所以台湾那时候想说要友善新住民让他们能够顺利进入到高等教育所以呢还会在原有名额和原合定的名额外加百分之二的方式让他们能够考取这些 |
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四千多個這個名額的這個科興問題是我們現在檢討就是說為什麼執行了我們推行了這麼多年一點成效都沒有新住民為什麼 |
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我们这个美意会变成一个幽灵政策新住民为什么没有来报考我们有没有去检讨过是因为宣导不足吗说实在本席过去曾经在全国各地开过座谈会曾经就有这个问题你们晓不晓得现在我们已经修了大学法新住民可以外加2%的方式去报考大学其实很多人是不知道的 |
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所以表示說宣導是不足的是委員我是請教委員委員在新住民的團體當中是相當了解他們的需求的那您提出的這個問題開出的名額那麼多報考的人數卻這麼少那是不是我們在公告上面有所不足或是在所以要檢討啦所以我現在就來問說到底是怎麼回事嗎或是我們透過新住民的團體的工作還要做加強讓他能夠告訴更多的新住民 |
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有這樣的一個外加百分之二的名額可以供他們來這裡讀書讀大學是不是這個過程很夠所以我就在想說這是政府的美意為什麼在居然沒有落實好像說我定念這個了我就是友善新住民實際上很多新住民根本就不知道說原來我可以用這種方式進入到高等教育這我想想說這個部分就是教育部要去檢討的你總不能空有政策那實際上一點效果都沒有 |
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所以要去檢討到底發生了什麼事情我想跟委員報告這真的委員今天的數據確實我想我們教育部內部來檢討那整個會後我也會來親自來跟委員來請教看我們到底在教育部在整個政策如何來落實因為良華免疫結果人數沒有出來部長你看到這個數據 |
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很多都是從頭到尾都是掛零的難道您看到這個不會覺得很汗顏嗎為什麼會一個政策推行到這樣子居然是幾乎我們可以說是打零分而且也不是剛開始剛開始我還想說好我一定會深切來內部來做檢討也跟委員多情義 |
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是的 这个部分其实三年前推行的时候本席就已经在盯着这个部分三年后再检讨还是一点成效都没有所以教育部一定要检讨那再来还有一点我们看到这个名称新住民就读大学办法难道所有的新住民都有纳入这个招生的对象吗部长我想你这部分你可能不是很了解 |
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我們先來看這個新住民就讀大學辦法其實並不是所有的新住民都適用為什麼呢按照新住民就讀大學辦法第二條它裡面有提到它指的是依國籍法第四條第一項第一款到第三款的規定 |
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可能部長要回去看一下補給法這個法條裡面的規定是什麼然後申請規劃的新住民一到這個法規申請規劃的新住民才能夠申請這個方案才符合這個招生的資格其實簡單的講他這個方案的招生對象只有婚姻移民只有婚姻移民 |
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我們也知道現在新住民的地 我想院長應該很清楚新住民的地已經擴大解釋了已經擴大解釋我們入籍台灣的新住民其實有非常多元的管道不是只有婚姻移民 |
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部長你知道嗎一般的移工未來很可能也成為新住民因為我們現在確實希望有更多的這些外籍專業人力能夠留在台灣所以國化會確實也有許多的一些相對配合的一個措施 |
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來 我們來看一下像一般的這個移工一般的這個移工他如果利用流財久用方案我想這個部長也應該很清楚在台工作滿六年以上並符合一定資金之或技術條件者其實六年之後他可以升級為中階技術人力那他在中階技術人力這當中的居留期間全部可以列入合法居留期間之計算那他 |
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這個搬了五年之後你看它合法居留五年之後其實它是可以申請規劃申請永居的耶所以那申請規劃之後它取得永居然後申請規劃之後它其實就是台灣的新住民好那我們現在回到來看這個新住民的這個入學辦法 |
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他只針對婚姻移民當以後這些移工他規劃之後我覺得我想要申請台灣的高等教育他是排除在這個方案之外的耶因為你們這個方案裡面只針對婚姻移民 |
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我們剛才想說實在有很多政策必須是要隨時都要再做檢視隨時要做滾動式的修正我們會來前面來檢視哪些的法規對我們各式各樣的一些新住民他在接受高等教育他是不利的等於說法令怎麼樣去以實際性來鬆綁 |
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所以你法條上裡面也要改啊那是因為你裡面的辦法裡面就規定只有婚姻移民才可以嘛所以這個要修嘛那再來我們還有規定這個招訓的對象是規劃之後的新住民那取得永居可不可以是不是說經過了這麼多年我們應該要做通盤的檢討這個政策其實失靈了我們納入的這個對象是不是要來做擴大因為現在所謂的新住民入籍已經過 |
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多元的管道不是只有單一的婚姻移民所以我現在想說這部分應該要拿出來做檢討那我希望說經過今天的這個總質詢之後我希望教育部來全面的來檢討所謂的新住民就讀大學辦法到底出了什麼問題我們是不是要把對象來擴大那不是只有規劃的婚姻移民 |
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像永居這部分可不可以納入新住民的定義其實已經擴大解釋絕對不是只有婚姻移民我想這部分教育部應該要來做檢視應該要來做檢討這一題我講到這裡另外我要提到的就是有關於我國的多元海外攬財計畫為了推動多元 |
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海外揽柴計畫所以我們有透過三家市產學合作專班還有新南向專班來招攬海外的僑外生到台灣來就學當然我們最希望的就是說他們學成之後能夠留台就業 |
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充实台湾的这个人才的资源可是我们都知道不管是3加4或者是新南下专班其实都有许多需要检讨的地方那本席因为时间的关系所以我想针对华语文加强跟实习的内容跟院长跟部长做一个探讨那尤其是这个我们首先来讲这个语言的部分那我们都知道说这些桥外生长期呢都是在国外读书也许华语文的程度呢真的是 |
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不到一定的这个就是水准所以可是我们现在是说你只要有鉴定为华语文鉴定为A1或A2就可以来谈就读可是A1跟A2的程度其实只具备日常的基本沟通能力你要到学校去 |
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去聽一些專業的名詞或是專業的用語真的這些孩子是沒有辦法消化的所以我們希望就是說教育部能夠在這些孩子來的第一年一定要要求大專院校必須在課程上面加強華語文的這個課程我不曉得部長這個部分有沒有去 |
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我去年520進來以後也確實看到我們產息專班存在有許多這些僑外生進來他華語文他是能力不夠的所以在上課包括工廠的一個實習他都沒有辦法去做有效的學習 |
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所以我們現在事實上從這個進來要怎麼樣增強華語文各校在技高的一部分普高的一個部分到他要升到這個計算校園必須要至少要B1的這樣的一個程度從在台灣我們這個部分我們一定會來加強這部分要加強把孩子在課堂上根本聽不懂老師在講什麼我進來以後再 |
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這個等於說這下半年裡邊我們開始建立了一個跟僑委會建立一個機制也就是說僑委會在積極為產業這個尋求可能的產業未來的潛在人才來到台灣就讀的同時我們希望僑委會所找的這些年輕的學子應該跟教育部我們建立了一個 |
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這個次長以上的兩個跨國會合作平臺我們逐一的解釋這些學生到你去學校他是做qualify能夠真正培養人才能夠為產業所用而不是只是來這邊然後去做變效的掌控這個部分我們有許多的包含定期的這樣一個衝擊我想這一個部分在未來我們也希望說來自海外的這些 |
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臺灣 |
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因為在臺灣能夠做一些個人經驗上有一些更好的一些發展我想這個部分是積極的對 謝謝我剛剛提到的我會請你答對是 不僅要跟他所提到的因為時間的關係只有遠遠的部分其實其實還有一些課程實習的部分我還要跟未來的教育來做探討我希望大家 |
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好謝謝羅美玲委員的質詢謝謝我們卓院長教育部長備詢謝謝喝口茶喝口水好接下來我們請本日口頭質詢最後一位委員黃婕委員請質詢 |
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好 謝謝院長我們請卓院長跟李陽部長麻煩再請卓院長及體育部部長備詢黃委員好 |
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好 院長好喔首先我想要在這邊提一下因為我是立法院女子運動外交促進會的會長那其實我們在這一年來有非常多的進程包括說運動部里楊部長一上任就跟我們一起簽署見證了這個IWG就是國際女性與運動的這個工作小組的宣言那我們簽署這個布萊頓宣言之後當然是一個很好的開始 |
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認可台灣認為我們在運動平權上面其實是做到國際上蠻認可的包括我們已經簽了28個單項委員會然後包括加上我們然後加上中華奧會其實是世界上簽了非常多的一個國家但是這只是一個起點 |
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在這邊我就想要請教院長不知道你知不知道在我們71個單項協會當中有在章程裡面明文規定任意性別理事應該要佔三分之一以上這樣子有把它寫進去的協會有幾個院長知道有幾個嗎這個我請部長來答覆大概完成的有將近60% |
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那跟我認知的差很多耶就我的認知當中七十一個單項協會裡面任一性別理事佔了三分之一以上把這個寫進去的零個我說的是任一性別達到三分之一完成理事的比例好 謝謝部長對 那我說的是說我們在章程裡面直接把這個規定放進去的比例是零個 |
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所以我在這邊就是要講我們這麼講了性別主流化這麼久可是到現在71個單項協會裡面連一個協會裡面把這個放進將城的都沒有所以這個是我認為接下來我們可以努力的包括說我們運動部是不是可以鼓勵單項協會當然你說實質上 |
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可能已經有參與讓女性參與決策圈的運動的決策圈的可能其實有達到六成但是我希望直接把它放進所有單項選會的章程裡面所以這個是接下來我們可以努力的目標可以嗎我會帶回去跟相關的業務單位去做討論因為有些部分比較特別的比如像女壘這樣的協會它可能在任意性別上面可能會比較難達到那可能會是專案的方法 |
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好謝謝部長的承諾畢竟你也是當我們在當初這個見證我們簽署這個IWG的見證人那也包括說這個其實裡面的委員也希望我們明年可以去到英國參加IWG的會議那就我所知其實運動部跟外交部已經努力在著手這個部分 |
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這個我認為是非常好的一個進程所以接下來我也希望既然我們明年即將去到英國把我們台灣運動品權的成果讓世界知道那接下來我們要走的應該是要有一個台灣的政策白皮書以及我們要有成果可以帶去展示才對所以我在這邊也希望李洋部長接下來我們應該要把這個施政計畫跟白皮書先準備好明年年度的 |
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這樣我們明年七月去到英國的時候是有東西可以讓國際上知道我們到底運動品權做到什麼程度了可以嗎我們會積極的跟部內的同仁去做研議 |
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好謝謝好那再來我要繼續請教部長另外一個議題不知道說部長因為自己也是選手出身你有去歐洲國家比賽過吧應該很常去當然沒錯那我想要問你有沒有發生過自己需要補貼選手的膳食費的情況就是當天我們公家機關提供的膳食費不足然後我們選手需要自己貼錢這樣的情況你有沒有發生過 |
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國家隊嗎是的國家隊我沒有過所以你都很省吃到是在我們國家隊合計的這個標準裡面我是這樣沒錯好那部長非常的省那我要在這邊講我接到的陳情確實有國家隊的代表隊的選手然後單項協會都來跟我陳情都說呢因為我們現在出國比賽用的這個膳食費的支給的方式是比照公務員的日之時數的辦法 |
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那如果是亞奧運的培訓隊或是黃金進化裡面四到六級的選手就是依照不同的國家可能會看那邊的生活水準物價水準分成三個級距那其實一天可以拿到的補助大概是700多塊到1000塊台幣左右 |
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那其實就很多選手認為說這樣其實是不足的因為對於很多選手來說他一天在這裡可能會花到的可能是40到60美金那我們這邊給出去的大概就是30幾塊所以很多選手其實都還要自己貼錢那我聽到的時候其實也覺得很可惜很心疼我們的選手去到國外比賽但是我們給他的膳食費卻不夠他們都還要自己貼錢 |
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這部分可不可以拜託我們部長可以再爭取幫他們增加膳食費呢雖然你可能都很努力的省在一千塊台幣以內但對很多選手可能他一天如果是可能舉重可能其他類型需要大重量的他可能需要的餐食費是更多的但是這樣的日資費對他們來說卻遠遠不足 |
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謝謝委員 這個我也很想聽聽李洋部長的經驗好 謝謝院長這部分我自己來講當然是就符合我剛剛講的我目前是沒有那時候當選手的時候沒有遇到這樣的問題但同樣的我認為現在是所有運動如果有遇到這樣的問題我們會去做通盤的考量那在膳食費的部分那如果依現在看到這個表單的話我認為可能是在國訓中心或者是黃金計畫的部分那我們也會去跟相關的業務單位去做通盤的所有項目去做考量 |
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好 謝謝部長我希望因為其實選手也都跟我們一起算過他說希望說至少一天可能他們要花大概就是40到60美金大概是這樣的金額那我們補貼最多就是大概36塊美金所以他們其實都還要花可能一倍的膳食費在他們吃的東西上面所以我覺得讓他們吃得飽可以好好的出席比賽拿出最好的表現這個應該是我們國家給予的基本支持 |
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當然好 謝謝部長那再來我這邊有兩個東西想要跟我們院長來爭取我們高雄有兩個重大的運動建設我認為是接下來我們非常非常需要的一個是我希望全國第一座250公尺的國際自由車廠可以落腳在高雄 |
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那這個其實是也很多人講過就是說台灣都沒有符合國際標準的室內自由車場那其實這個他們國際自由車協會公佈的標準就是250公尺嘛那其實台灣有兩個包括台中包括高雄都是333公尺 |
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那他們就說這樣的其實板庫要直線太長然後彎道太不夠彎等等的這樣的問題就一直在發生所以其實我們的選手出賽的時候都會覺得說這個場地跟國際的場地是有非常大的落差的那其實我們之前也有澄清那跟高雄市政府也都討論過了之後有送案到中央那其實我那時候收到的訊息是說中央有意願要做符合國際標準的自由車廠 |
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那時候說的是說接下來有三個地方有送案那我們高雄也有個男子自由車廠已經送案了那當時說總經費可能達到10億元可能會三個車廠都有可能來做所以我在這邊想要請教的是請教院長我們當時的這個進度有沒有可能順利完成可不可以在這邊承諾就讓這個全國第一座的 |
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符合國際標準的自由車場可以落腳在高雄呢現在的了解是包括高雄在內有三個直轄市都提出了相關的同樣的一個計畫那剛好運動部他有一個優化全民運動與賽事的這個環境計畫那他一定要有所選擇跟這個計畫的這個評比那目前運動部應該進到這個階段裡面來 |
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好 那是不是請部長進一步說明目前現在評估的進度到哪裡那我們高雄有沒有機會或者是我們高雄還要怎麼樣才可以爭取到這個自由車場在高雄目前就是這三個直轄市來做申請那我們當然因為經費有限的部分那可能會去做評估考量是否在哪個地方去落實國際的自由車場250公尺的這部分 |
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所以是說三選一是三選一嗎 |
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這部分的話可能當然是經費上的考量我們要試經費上的考量那要去評估好 那當然我們高雄會做最大力的爭取我也會全力來協助啦因為我相信我們高雄的條件是很好的那希望說再加上我們高雄其實都是就是國訓中心以及所有運科中心的基地嘛所以希望說接下來這樣子的有國際指標意義的自由車廠可以落腳在高雄這邊再次幫我們高雄來講話 |
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那另外一個我要跟院長真的要請命的是我們澄清湖棒球場的大螢幕這個是所有高雄球迷的心聲其實高雄的這個澄清湖球場是一個南部唯一的A級的球場那容納的人數是全國最多的 |
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可以做兩萬人你看其他的球場包括樂天做一萬八 天母一萬新莊一萬二 洲際一萬五那我們高雄是可以做到兩萬人可是呢我們能容納的人數最多但是螢幕卻最小 |
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所以其實我們高雄的球迷每次都是進場都會說這個螢幕真的太小了雖然之前已經換了記分板但是上面的這個一些筆數或者是說上面的一些資訊想要看都看得非常吃力然後也覺得這個不符合我們高雄現在對棒球的期待所以我們現在希望 |
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可以跟中央來爭取一筆經費把澄清湖這個大螢幕可以做汰換所以我在這邊想要幫我們高雄的球迷跟院長請命有沒有機會來補助汰換澄清湖棒球場的大螢幕 |
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運動部或是國際體育署在去年核定的時候是針對它的衛生設備廁所以及觀眾席有一個補助但是當時提出的計畫裡面並沒有含大螢幕因為當時我了解的狀況是說因為大螢幕是希望說它的年限是20年那我們其實差了一點點所以當時就不用把這個優先放進去但是我認為非常的可惜 |
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是因為現在大家對球場的需求已經不只是如此了而且年限其實就差那麼一兩年那所以有機會的話我希望是我們再用一個新的計畫是不是請部長能夠了解一下這個大螢幕的整個 |
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更換 換新他的預算怎麼樣如果這個年限差一點點在違反這個規定的情況底下有沒有辦法來協助我們會再去做評估因為其實整個職業的運動聯賽我們確實有編列相關的經費在職業排球職業棒球職業籃球等等的場地那我們也希望在主場的球隊這部分能夠跟我們一起還有縣市政府可以跟我們一起去做場地的進步 |
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好 謝謝部長的說明也謝謝院長所以其實我覺得只要我們部會有意願然後願意來出錢那我覺得跟市府要怎麼協調我都可以來幫忙協調看是要幾比幾那大家要出幾成那最後可以把這件事情完成是最重要的所以我希望的是到時候運動部也可以告訴我說你們編列在這個職業項目裡面的設備的汰換費是多少 |
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那我們總共可以爭取多少經費讓我們把這個大螢幕來換掉好 謝謝委員對運動的關心我們共同來努力好 謝謝院長好 那最後一點時間我們先謝謝李洋部長那我們請教育部陣部長請教育部長備詢委員好 |
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好 部長好我在這邊也是一樣幫我們所有的基層教師來請命我剛剛已經聽了非常多位委員都在講一樣的問題但這個教師荒真的太嚴重了我相信每一位民意代表都收到大量大量的陳情那我這裡一樣也是 |
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他們說什麼呢他們說過去20年我們勞工基本工資漲幅是187%近200那他們說教師的終點費漲幅只有5%那他們會覺得現在的基層教師好辛苦好心酸 |
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那做起來真的只是靠理想靠熱情好像在壓榨現場的教師對於教育的熱情那我真的不希望我們對待教育的態度是這樣所以其實我也都說我一定會極力的幫忙爭取因為我認為現在的教師雖然 |
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人口變少了雖然少子化他們要教的學生變少但是負擔並沒有減輕啊他們要教的東西非常的多元他們要照顧的品質又更提高然後家長的要求也都更高可是我們到現在教師的終點費然後這個導師費三千塊到現在都沒有增加 |
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所以我在這邊想要請教我們部長對於基層教師給他們一點鼓勵吧給他們一點實質的加薪吧請部長答覆感謝委員關心老師的一個待遇但是我還是要先跟委員報告 |
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用勞工的薪資增加將近100%然後來比較這個老師說5%我覺得這是因為他的職業類別就是不一樣工作他的整個薪資結構不同用這樣來講我想並不適合來描述當然啦只是在每一個產業裡面大家都會希望自己的待遇變好也會覺得自己有點委屈我進來以後也看到了也跟分區 |
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全國幾乎我各縣市幾乎都大概去過除了離島金門馬祖我現在最近在安排還沒有我大概都有 |
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所以學校有所面臨的挑戰所以跟院長報告院長也非常的關心導致的一個大陸上怎麼樣可以適合考的教育所以教育在這個部門我們確實也從導師會同層家庭從洗桌肉的面向這邊來整理來考量但是因為國共教育還是來自敵方的 |
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我們想要用25個地方縣市、教育局、地方政府來談看怎麼樣有一個更好的一個中央的地方來合作來支持老實民族檔案有一個更好的一個安省利益的一個發展我想郭文貴就這樣報告那這個方案當我們就是25個地方政府 |
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好 |
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好谢谢谢谢黄杰委员咨询谢谢卓院长相关部会所长贝勋谢谢 |
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接下來我們登記第十號范雲委員范雲委員第十一號李坤城委員第十二號張雅玲委員三位的質詢與書面提出請行政院書面答覆並列入紀錄刊登公報報言會教育及文化組織質詢已經詢答完畢謝謝卓院長及相關部會首長列席答詢也謝謝李玉玲委員陪同我們一起參與今天的質詢我們現在做以下決定 |
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下次会进行我们开始进行交通组织咨询现在散会 |