| IVOD_ID |
17017 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17017 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第8次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第8次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-07T08:31:14+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-07T16:37:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
08:05:46 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/8398b1826590a609bac0f8b57309717402ea0e8b14a04e9083051bafb051454b76dd8e888697bf995ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第8次會議（事由：一、同意權之行使事項：本院交通、教育及文化兩委員會報告審查行政院函送國家通訊傳播委員會委員提名名單，蔣榮先為委員並為主任委員，程明修為委員並為副主任委員，黃葳威及羅慧雯均為委員，請同意案。（11月7日上午報告事項後）二、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢。（11月7日下午及11日）三、11月7日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:31:14 - 16:37:00 |
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好 我們現在進行國事論壇每位委員發言三分鐘首先請麥議貞委員發言徐議貞委員請準備 |
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主席各位親愛的家人大家早今天我第4次替百萬新住民一家庭發聲卓榮泰院長新住民基本法到底什麼時候公布實施日期在星期二總質詢上你親口承認行政院日 |
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實習日期是行政院的決定既然你清楚是行政院的職責為什麼到現在還不公佈連賴總統在113年8月12日也正式公佈了結果行政院卻一拖再拖讓法律形同鴿子 |
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讓中央與地方無法推動相關業務這不只是行政帶動這是藐視國家的制度是無法無天的行為新住民等的不是會找藉口推脫責任的政府是一個願意負責勇於行動的政府 |
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行政院繼續以言語中來敷衍就是在告訴人民法律可以不執行承諾可以不酸素這樣的態度讓所有相信政府的人民更心寒新住民不是要特權只是要一個公平的機會他們在台灣努力奮鬥養家納稅照顧長輩 |
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為台灣付出一樣的貢獻卻得不到一樣的尊重別再讓依法行政變成口號別等到選舉時再選到新住民選後當外人 |
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114年11月11日邀請所有關心新住民少子化缺工與經濟發展的朋友下午一點到立法院讓政府聽見人民的聲音 |
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1920.519 |
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这不是新住民的事是台湾的未来是关于公平尊重与信任是找回国家自由民主的权利新住民不是四等公民他们是让台湾更强更温暖的力量制度继续带动就是制度化的歧视 |
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1921.059 |
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1940.847 |
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行政院立即公告14日起成立新住民發展署讓新住民基本法真正上路讓世界看見一個說到做到的政府尊重多元友善的台灣新住民加油台灣加油謝謝大家 |
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1945.893 |
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1950.403 |
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謝謝麥玉珍委員發言接下來我們請徐玉珍委員發言侯孟楷委員請準備 |
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1970.831 |
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1994.097 |
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主席 幾個同仁大家早台灣丟臉丟到國際竟然淪為懲治跨國詐騙集團的洗錢樂園重創國家的名聲這一切都是民進黨政府怠惰失職的直接結果美國對英國以對太子集團祭出史無前例的大規模制裁與起訴清楚地揭露該集團透過空殼公司加密貨幣 |
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1995.738 |
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2018.453 |
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與複雜的資金網路大肆的詐騙洗錢而令人憤怒的是台灣不是在犯罪就已經啟動調查而是在美方揭露制裁後才倉皇的對付有關單位一直到減掉大規模搜索扣押資產案情才有所突破但司法卻對相關的人士的交保金額竟然只有3萬到70萬 |
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2020.734 |
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2032.99 |
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面對45億元的不法金流豪宅名車北檢卻只開出象徵性的交保金額難怪城市的特助15萬交保時還對著鏡頭笑彷彿在笑台灣的司法 |
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2051.671 |
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這樣的方式簡直把台灣的司法公信力踐踏在地這樣的荒謬換來的只有國際的恥笑民進黨政府這種被美國點名才行動的消極態度赤裸裸地暴露在台灣的跨國犯罪面前的無力與被動 |
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2052.608 |
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如果没有美英的通报这些疑似人头公司是否会继续的横行可疑资金流是否会持续的在台湾穿梭那些豪宅名车就能继续享受人民的安全国家的金融秩序在民进党的治理下竟然如此的脆弱这是羞辱更是危机城市诈骗集团在台设立十数家企业坐拥101多层豪宅的招待所 |
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2097.704 |
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轨迹至少可以回溯到九年前刚好是蔡英文上台的时候这些年来他们在台湾予取予求政府洗钱防治制度等于形同虚设司法又无力查起诈骗集团就将台湾当成体管机避风港 |
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2115.194 |
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民進黨政府不能只會對弱勢對政敵逞凶斗狠卻在關乎國家安全與人民安全時又變得軟弱無能若面對國際犯罪組織的違法行徑選擇裝傻那這種政府跟詐騙集團又有什麼差別呢 |
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本席具體的要求面對跨國犯罪政府應該展現的是主動 迅速 透明而不是拖延 怕事 裝睡立即成立跨部會的專責小組積極的查緝不法 徹查涉案銀行對違規金融從業者依法嚴懲並公開處分 |
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強化外橋與外資公司設立的實質審查加速審判的進程用公權力來守護人民的財產安全讓犯罪者無所遁形謝謝徐宇貞委員的發言接下來我們請洪孟凱委員發言林倩琪委員請準備謝謝 |
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2194.617 |
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主席各位立院同仁大家早謀定而後動民進黨政府請不要把台灣社會當成是實驗室或是把任何不成熟的政策推出來除了只有擾亂民心以外真的無助於事 |
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昨天我們看到有媒體報導頭版頭說為了要幫健保開源所以衛福部近日受訪要把相關的健保費用再去做一個增加結果這樣的一個政策照理講應該是已經嚴厲許久並且有完整的配套措施包括你要怎麼做你的對象是什麼你收取多少錢以及最重要是你收取之後你的成效要做什麼 |
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2245.46 |
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但沒想到短短不到七個小時因為網路的炸鍋以及溝通的不順利造成行政院馬上直轉直下說要再延議再轉彎那我們不就要問如果說如此草率的決策過程不就代表了當初根本沒有跨部會的討論金管會還出來講是說他根本不知道看報紙才知道拜託行行好 |
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民進黨政府你上任在過去到現在這快兩年的時間了政策如此的草率可以嗎尤其是影響480萬的民眾的這樣子的一個健保制度你這樣子來做7個小時政府下架詐騙集團廣告都沒有那麼快結果你的政策居然如此草率那什麼才應該要加速做 |
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2271.4 |
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2292.837 |
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打擊詐騙才應該加速做剛剛我們敘徵委員以及很多委員同仁都有關心太子集團犯罪集團可以在台灣如此囂張跋扈幾年長達七年八年之久買豪車買民宅甚至有高達多麼綿密的這樣子一個犯罪制度 |
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2294.287 |
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2308.894 |
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結果雖然政府是由美國政府通知才知道我們的金管會 我們的調查局我們的相關執法單位難道沒有眼線能夠察覺這樣子的一個奇怪的異常現象嗎而新加坡政府在這個禮拜 |
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2310.074 |
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2325.494 |
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火速三毒通過了邊形兌付詐騙我們肯定新加坡政府要用嚴刑峻法保障人民財產的決心但我們也要更堅定我們也要追求公平正義在台灣實施的決心 |
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2346.448 |
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也因此我們也已經請法務部在總諮詢的時候要求研擬觀察新加坡這未來三個月到半年內他的詐騙數額、詐騙金額、詐騙案件有沒有因為邊協的實施而下降可以當作是我國立法的重要參考依據但更重要我們要拜託 |
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2347.569 |
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2370.215 |
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打詐就是作戰絕對要政府所有跨部會共同一起來這不是一個人的事情讓詐騙集團持續在台灣橫行這是台灣大家共同無法接受的事謝謝謝謝洪孟愷委員的發言接下來我們請登記最後一位林倩琦委員請發言 |
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2383.564 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2399.363 |
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院長各位同仁全國民眾還有媒體朋友們大家好依法行政守住底線菸泰防治拒絕倒退今天本席要指出目前我們面臨加勒菸走私與行政管制雙重失靈的問題 |
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2400.744 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
2427.33 |
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當走私集團能夠在機場內部人員的協助下得逞入境當主管機關在法令人禁止下卻放寬行政規範來讓加勒淹的載具展示打通關社會應該問的是政府究竟在保護誰的利益今年9月桃園地檢署破獲首起的公務門走私案查出行警涉嫌協助走私超過9000條的加勒淹並且收取 |
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2428.03 |
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2447.191 |
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近百万元的汇款这些加热烟都是非法产品未经卫福部的审查却能通关流露市面这不仅是贪赌的个案更是制度性的漏洞当边境茶器失灵黑市走私就成为肥沃的温床当黑市兴盛合法管制就形同虚设 |
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2447.972 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
2460.061 |
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令人痛心的是另一端的主管机关却在此时开方便门国建署竟然以消费者保护法为由放宽部分许可的加热烟载具展示的限制 |
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2461.452 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
2485.224 |
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煙害防治法裡面其實明文規定禁止任何形式的煙品及指定煙品元件展示與促銷這是公眾利益為了保護青少年抑制煙品的使用但是國建署如今卻以行政含釋來鬆綁展示的範圍推翻煙害防治法破壞了依法行政與法律保留的原則我們不能一手打擊 |
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2486.445 |
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2505.812 |
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走私一手卻放任行銷若政府一邊宣稱要防制煙品一邊卻讓外商得以光明正大的展示加熱煙載具那麼社會如何信任國家的煙害防制政策如果行政機關可以繞過立法院任意以命令來變更法律效果 |
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2506.152 |
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2522.393 |
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那民主監督又從何而來依據民團觀察今天許多超商櫃台及便利商店內加熱煙載具被放在非常顯眼的位置裡面也沒有警示的圖文國高中生每天經過看著這些包裝精美的產品會產生好奇 |
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2523.073 |
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2543.531 |
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這個展示不僅是單純的資訊提供而是變相的行銷這樣子的環境正在削弱我們針對青少年安全的防護線本席在這邊強調加熱菸不是無害的產品菸害防治法更是為了防治菸害而設立的特別法主管機關不能依法行政 |
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2544.732 |
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2567.611 |
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來守住底線如果開放展示等於違法行政因此本席在這邊提出三點呼籲國建署應該立即撤回放寬展示的行政函式第二點主管機關如果認為現行規範過於嚴苛應該循立法的正規來修法第三點應該加強邊境茶器與市場集合全面追查非法煙的這個加熱煙的流向 |
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2574.667 |
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2598.483 |
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所以我覺得菸煙害的事實 菸煙害的法律是一個很漫漫的規則但是這個法律只是我們自己猜過的法律不夠明顯 其實正正相關協議的事情是實用那讓法律的原則導致的事實 事實上很難理解政府要法防菸不僅是要法防走私 但是是自己要依法行政我們當當都不決定要不要法 事實很高那讓法防制止菸煙害 不再害法 |
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謝謝林倩琪委員的發言登記國事論壇發言的委員均已經發言完畢現在休息 |
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報告委員會我們現在開始開會請秘書長報告出席人數報告委員會出席委員70人已足法定人數我們現在進行報告事項請秘書長宣讀第四會期第七次會議議事錄宣讀立法案第十一屆第四會期第七次會議議事錄時間中華民國一百十四年十月三十一日上午九十至下午七時十六分 |
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11月4日上午9時至下午5時5分地點本院議場出席委員林委員國懲等113人列席官員行政院院長卓榮泰等主席院長韓國瑜副院長江啟臣報告事項第一案宣讀本院第十一屆第四會期第六次會議事錄決定確定第二次七九次二十二三次一三七一三九次一五一案 |
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均決定交互相關委員會審查處理或交互相關委員會第八二十一二十二案均決定經貿圖與相關提案並案協商第138案為經濟委員會所提出報告案執行四項行政會答案部分一件討論四項第一案決議通過第二案決議交經濟委員會 |
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是處理相關議案時參考並函送國家發展委員會及經濟部參考第三次五案軍決議交互黨團協商對行政院長施政報告繼續質詢決定下次會議繼續進行經濟組織質詢其他事項 |
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一百十四年十月三十一日朝委黨團協商結論一件二 貶制會議施政報告事項執行事項對行政院長施政報告繼續執行依黨團共識照國民黨黨團台灣民眾黨黨團提議通過討論事項依黨團共識通過宣讀完畢 |
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好 謝謝包委員會針對第四會期第七次會議議事錄並沒有委員或黨團提出錯誤或疑惑之處我們現在做以下決定第四會期第七次會議議事錄確定請宣讀第二案 |
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5485.629 |
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5503.459 |
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第二案 本院委員王玉明等16人領據社會救助法部判條文修正草案 程序委員會建交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣讀完畢第三案 本院委員蔡依儒等20人領據農民退休處心條例第二條及第七條條文修正草案 程序委員會建交經濟委員會審查宣讀完畢 |
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5504.46 |
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5522.734 |
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第四案 本院委員參與與等十六人聯聚 貪污徹稅條例第四條條文修正草案 程序委員會皆交司法及法制委員會審查 宣讀完畢第五案 本院委員參與與等二十人聯聚 老年農民福利經貼專行條例第四條條文修正草案 程序委員會皆交生育福利基金會審環境經濟內卷三委員會審查 宣讀完畢 |
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5523.675 |
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5546.159 |
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第六案 本院委員廖偉祥的16人離聚 《家庭暴力防治法》第31條條文修正常案 程序委員會建交社會福利 或是環境司法及法制 兩委員會審查 宣傳完畢第七案 本院委員林黛華的18人離聚 《水土保持法》第2條條文修正常案 程序委員會建交經濟委員會審查 宣傳完畢第八案 本院委員林黛華的18人離聚 《山坡地野保育利用條例》第2條條文修正常案 |
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5546.899 |
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5563.995 |
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財經委員會監交經濟委員會審查 宣言完畢第九案 北匯委員林太化的十八人離去青年基本法草案財經委員會監交交易及文化委員會審查 宣言完畢報告四項第九案現在有民進黨團提案禁服二讀與相關提案併案協商 請委員會有異異議通過下案 |
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5564.366 |
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5587.601 |
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第十案 本院委員黎丹化的十八案領據《增控防治法》第四條條文修正常案財修委員會建交司法及法治委員會審查 宣讀完畢第十一案 本院委員黎丹化的十八案領據《老年農民福利及貸稅條例》第二條條文修正常案財修委員會建交生物福利及衛生環境經濟內政三委員會審查 宣讀完畢第十二案 本院委員郭育晴等十六案領據《文化資產保存法》的部分條文修正常案 |
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5591.843 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
第十三案第十四案第十五案第十六案 |
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5616.337 |
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5638.167 |
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第十六案 北院委員張雅琳等17人離去自然水法第97條至1條維修正常案陳秀雲會接交經濟委員會審查 宣言為併第十七案 北院委員張雅琳等17人離去電信管理法第72條維修正常案陳秀雲會接交交通委員會審查 宣言為併第十八案 北院委員張雅琳等17人離去香港法第15條及第65條至4條維修正常案 |
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5638.727 |
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5653.309 |
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陳秀雲會見交消動委員會審查 宣布完畢第十九案 本郵員張雅玲的十七人連續出沒法撲尿修正草案陳秀雲會見交消動委員會審查 宣布完畢第20案 本郵員張雅玲的十八人連續勞動欠准法第四十二條條文修正草案 |
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5653.889 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
5682.216 |
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陳修緣會建交社會福利及婚姻環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢第二十一案 本幼兒園王洪維等16人離區民法第1223條條文修正常案陳修緣會建交司法及法律委員會審查 宣讀完畢第二十二案 本幼兒園林坤城等18人離區國家金融安定基金順勢及管理條例第4條及第5條條文修正常案陳修緣會建交財政委員會審查 宣讀完畢第二十三案 本幼兒園武麗華等16人離區貨物稅條例第10條是3條文修正常案陳修緣會建交財政委員 |
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5683.376 |
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官員會第二十三案現在有民進黨團體近乎二讀與相關提案並按協商請問願會有異議 異議通過下議案 |
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5689.451 |
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5717.106 |
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第二十四案 本用員吳麗華的16人離去 使用牌照稅法第五條條文修正常案 承受委員會建交 財政委員會審查 宣讀完畢第二十五案 本用員吳麗華的16人離去 擔當事態問題728號域 災後復原重建特別條例第四條 第五條集體10條條文修正常案 承受委員會建交 交通委員會審查 宣讀完畢報告四項第二十五案 現在由民進黨團體金富二讀與相關提案並且協商 請問委員會有沒有異議沒有異議 本案金富二讀與相關提案並且協商 下案 |
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| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
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第26案 本郵委員邱若驊的16人凝聚 道路交通管理處罰條例第31條之1條維修正常案 採取委員會監交交通委員會審查 宣言為定第27案 本郵委員邱若驊的16人凝聚 道路交通管理處罰條例第45條條維修正常案 採取委員會監交交通委員會審查 宣言為定第28案 本郵委員邱若驊的18人凝聚 氣象法第21條之1條維修正常案 採取委員會監交交通委員會審查 宣言為定第29案 本郵委員邱若驊的17人凝� |
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5748.363 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
5765.252 |
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陳樹榮會見交交通委員會審查第30案本郵務委員邱振華等16人聯聚香港法第15條截列65條之4條維修政策案陳樹榮會見交交通委員會審查第30案本郵務委員林楚英等24人聯聚台灣地區道路地區人民關係條例履修綁條之1條維修政策案 |
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5765.692 |
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5768.534 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
主委通過審查主委通過審查主委通過審查主委通過審查 |
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5786.425 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
5804.13 |
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第三十四案 本院委員李竹英的二十三人凝聚 外送員權益保障及外送平台不可立法草案 陳秀榮會見交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣布一通過下頁第三十五案 本院委員吳曉琳的二十人凝聚 國家平常法第八條及第十二條條文修正草案 陳秀榮會見交司法及法治委員會審查 宣布一通過下頁 |
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5804.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
5819.842 |
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第36案 本郵件04名的23人離聚使用盤照稅法第7條條文修正草案 柴修永會接交財政委員會審查 宣布完畢第37案 本郵件04名的23人離廢止經濟不公義的局組織條例柴修永會接交司法及法制經濟 兩委員會審查 宣布完畢 |
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5821.903 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
5850.167 |
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第38案 本院委員賴銳龍的17人凝聚財政收支換分法部分條文修正常案財政委員會建交財政委員會審查 宣讀完畢第39案 本院委員賴銳龍的17人凝聚丹奧斯颱風及728豪雨災後復原重新特別條例第4條第5條及第10條條文修正常案財政委員會建交交通委員會審查 宣讀完畢法院會第39案由民進黨團體金福爾魯與相關提案並案協商請問院會有異議免議本案金福爾魯與相關提案並案協商 下案 |
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5850.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
5876.789 |
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第四十案 本院委員翁小玲的二十日連續 民法第1223條條維修正常案 陳修緣會監交司法及法律委員會審查 宣讀完畢第四十一案 本院委員邱昇勳的二十日連續 自內水法第97條這一條維修正常案 陳修緣會監交經濟委員會審查 宣讀完畢第四十二案 本院委員邱昇勳的二十日連續 人工智慧基本法長案 陳修緣會監交教育及文化中等兩委員會審查 宣讀完畢法案約會第四十二案 現在有國民黨團體 |
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5878.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
5884.543 |
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禁服二讀與相關提案並按協商請願會有意免議本案禁服二讀與相關提案並按協商下議案 |
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5884.895 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
5910.456 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
第四十三案 本議會委員邱勝勳的二十人聯聚專謀發部份條文修正常案陳修永會兼交交通委員會審查 宣讀完畢第四十四案 本議會委員邱勝勳的二十人聯聚西巷法第21條是一條文修正常案陳修永會兼交交通委員會審查 宣讀完畢第四十五案 本議會委員廖偉祥的十六人聯聚貨物稅條例第十二條是三條文修正常案陳修永會兼交財政委員會審查 宣讀完畢法院會第四十五案由國民黨團體晉覆二讀與相關提案並按協商請 |
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5913.138 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
5932.693 |
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願以本案盡附而入 相關提案並按寫上下頁第四十六案 本院委員洪孟凱的二十六人凝聚衛星廣播電視法第六十四條條文修正常案 柴修委員會間交交通委員會審查宣布完畢第四十七案 本院委員洪孟凱的十九人凝聚鐵路法第六十八條十四及第七十二條條文修正常案柴修委員會間交交通委員會審查宣布完畢 |
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5933.473 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
5955.582 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
第四十八案本優委員洪孟凱的十八案連續中華民國刑法第185條13條文修正常案財修委員會建交司法及法制委員會審查宣言完畢第四十九案本優委員馬文君的十六案連續使用盤算稅法第五條條文修正常案財修委員會建交財政委員會審查宣言完畢第五十案本優委員羅志強的二十五案連續衛星網部電視法第二十條條文修正常案 |
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5970.693 |
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第五十案 由國民黨團體金富二路由國民黨團負責召集協商 請問願會有異第五十一案 由國民黨團體金富二路由國民黨團負責召集協商 請問願會有異第五十一案 由國民黨團體金富二路由國民黨團負責召集協商 請問願會有異第五十一案 由國民黨團體金富二路由國民黨團負責召集協商 請問願會有異 |
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5985.168 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
6007.896 |
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第五十二案 本院委員陳慶輝等19人鄰居 第十法第五條條文修正常案 程序委員會建交經濟委員會審查 宣言完畢法院委員會第五十二案 由國民黨團體金富二族相關提案並案協商 請委員會有異議 面議本案金富二族相關提案並案協商 下議案第五十三案 本院委員陳慶輝等21人鄰居 人工智慧基本法常案 程序委員會建交教育局文化交通兩委員會審查 宣言完畢 |
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6008.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
6019.696 |
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抱怨會第五十三案由國民黨團體進副二讀 與相關提案併案協商 求院會有異議抱怨會第五十四案由國民黨團體進副二讀 與相關提案併案協商 求院會有異議抱怨會第五十四案由國民黨團體進副二讀 與相關提案併案協商 求院會有異議 |
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6033.752 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
6049.803 |
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第五十五案 本院委員陳慶慧等十九人凝聚性別平等工作法第三列第23條之一條文草案陳修永會見交生衛福利基金會上環境委員會審查宣言完畢第五十六案 本院委員羅廷偉等十六人凝聚平原地區學校就業發展條例第八條條文修正草案 |
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6050.343 |
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6052.787 |
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財修委員會建交教育及文化委員會審查宣傳完畢 |
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6066.307 |
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第五十八案 本院委員羅廷偉等16人離聚 民法 親屬編釋刑法 曾麗麗7條11條文草案 陳修永會監交司法及法治委員會審查 宣言完畢第五十九案 本院委員徐宇貞等24人離聚 公民投票法第23條兩文修正草案 陳修永會監交內政委員會審查 宣言完畢法院會第五十九案 有國民黨團體 金福二族與相關提案並案協商 請院會有異沒有異 本案金福二族與相關提案並案協商 下案 |
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6106.394 |
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第60案 本院委員高津素美的16名鄰居 公證院宣誓發明法第26條 無償懲查案 陳秀永會建交 內政委員會審查 宣誓完畢官員會報告事項第60案由高津素美委員提議撤回提案 請問願會有異議免議 本案同意撤回下項 |
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6106.943 |
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6125.728 |
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第六十一案 本院民進黨黨團聯聚 國民年金法部份條文修正常案 財修委員會間交生育福利 弱性環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢第六十二案 本院委員會間交生育福利 弱性環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢第六十二案 本院委員會間交生育福利 弱性環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢第六十三案 本院委員會間交生育福利 弱性環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢 |
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6130.709 |
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6145.198 |
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第六十四案本用語言翻譯等十六人理據七項法第二十一條之一條文修正常案財修委員會建交交通委員會審查宣言完畢第六十五案本用語言和現存等十八人理據定義法第七十一條之一條文修正常案財修委員會建交經濟委員會審查宣言完畢 |
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6146.218 |
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6160.466 |
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第66案 本院委員何欣淳等18日離聚天壇七十月法第55條之一條維修政策案陳秀雲會監交經濟委員會審查宣讀完畢第67案 本院委員何欣淳等18日離聚自然水法第97條之一條維修政策案陳秀雲會監交經濟委員會審查宣讀完畢 |
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6163.007 |
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6187.002 |
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第六十八案 本院委員和新巡的十八案領據 定性管理法第七十二條 文修正常案 裁修委員會監交 交通委員會審查 宣布完畢第六十九案 本院委員和新巡的十八案領據 七項法例二十條之一條 文修正常案 裁修委員會監交 交通委員會審查 宣布完畢第七十案 本院委員和新巡的十九案領據 商長法第十五條及第六十五條十四條 文修正常案 裁修委員會監交 交通委員會審查 宣布完畢 |
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6209.301 |
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第七十一案 本用語言核心選擇十八人離去 存摸法部門條文修正草案 陳樹榮會見交交通委員會審查 宣傳完畢第七十三案 本用語言羅美林等十八人離去 存摸法部門條文修正草案 陳樹榮會見交交通委員會審查 宣傳完畢第七十三案 本用語言羅美林等十七人離去 七項法第二十一條 修正草案 陳樹榮會見交交通委員會審查 宣傳完畢 |
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6210.262 |
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6235.775 |
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第七十四案 本院委員羅美琳等十八日凝聚使用潘昭旭法第五條條文修憲草案 恰恕委員會監交財政委員會審查 宣讀完畢第七十五案 本院委員羅美琳等十七日凝聚 貨物稅條例第十二條之三條文修憲草案 恰恕委員會監交財政委員會審查 宣讀完畢報告院會第七十五案由民進黨黨團體 金服二讀與相關提案並案協商 全院會有異議免議本案金服二讀與相關提案並案協商 下議案 |
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6236.195 |
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6251.913 |
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第76案 本月委員賴日龍等18日離聚企業邊控法部分條務修正草案財修委員會監交經濟委員會審查宣傳並第77案 本月委員賴日龍等18日離聚外送員權益保障及外送平台管理法草案財修委員會監交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣傳並 |
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6253.214 |
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6268.116 |
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第七十八案 本院委員劉建國等十七任理據《衛生平台管理機從業人員權益保障法》草案前序委員會間交生衛福利優先環境委員會審查我已通過審議案第七十九案 本院委員劉建國等十七任理據《遭遇管制法》第26條及第28條條文修憲草案 |
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6268.476 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
6270.157 |
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無異通過下言無異通過下言無異通過下言無異通過下言 |
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6293.996 |
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6311.614 |
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第八十三案 內政委員會修正不動産估價施法事業系則不分條文 陳述委員會見交內政委員會 宣讀完畢第八十四案 內政委員會修正規劃我國國籍者及歸國僑民服役辦法陳述委員會見交內政委員會 宣讀完畢報告委員會本案國民黨團體改交審查本案交內政委員會審查 下議案 |
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6311.994 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
6337.147 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
第八十五案 客家委員會海外修正 客家委員會主委財政法人設立許可及監督辦法第七條條文 前修委員會建交內政委員會 宣讀完畢第八十六案 經濟部海外修正公用天然氣實驗營業裝塵範本 前修委員會建交經濟委員會 宣讀完畢第八十七案 經濟部海外修正出流管制計畫書與規劃書審核監督及免辦認證論定辦法部分條文 前修委員會建交經濟委員會 宣讀完畢 |
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6337.987 |
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6359.782 |
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第八十八案 經濟木海維修正先驅化水瓶工業原料試種類及生貿檢查辦法第三條條文陳修永會見交經濟委員會宣讀文件第八十九案 經濟木海維修正出流管制計劃書與規劃書整合基準及洪峰流量計算方法第十四點及第十五點規定陳修永會見交經濟委員會宣讀文件第九十案 經濟木海維修正溫熱型飲水供應機 |
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6360.743 |
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6362.745 |
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國民黨團針對本案提出改交審查本案交經濟委員會審查 |
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6383.854 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
6407.136 |
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第九 申案 經濟部海外修正經濟部產業園區管理局臺北分局編制表等實相編制表 並自114年8月1日生效陳修援會監交司法及法治經濟兩委員會 宣讀完畢第九 三案 農業部海外修正農業停產災害救助辦法部分條文陳修援會監交經濟委員會 宣讀完畢第九 四案 農業部海外修正英辦理輸入查驗具私料或私料添加物陳修援會監交經濟委員會 宣讀完畢 |
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6408.197 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
6432.027 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
第九十五案 農業部海維修正停止至發生非洲豬瘟症國家地區以郵遞寄送輸入豬肉產品第二點規定 承受委員會建交監禁委員會 宣傳完畢第九十六案 農業部海維修正農田灌溉排水管理辦法第二條基地 十六條條文承受委員會建交監禁委員會 宣傳完畢第九十七案 農業部海維修正水土保持進化整合監督辦法第三條基地 十九條條文承受委員會建交監禁委員會 宣傳完畢 |
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6433.027 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
6459.566 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
第九十八案 農業部考慮修正《中華民國輸入植物或植物產品檢疫規定》以有條件輸入植物或植物產品之檢疫條件第一點第四項規定及其附件波蘭城藍莓鮮果食輸入檢疫條件財修委員會簽交經濟委員會宣管並第九十九案 農業部還送公告示中華民國114年10月22日起全面禁止搬運廚餘動物性廢紮 畜牲土產 下繳料資 豬隻 飼養場所及不得作為飼料或飼料添加物使用 |
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6460.306 |
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6464.449 |
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第一版案第一版案第一版案第一版案第一版案 |
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6489.083 |
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6504.409 |
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農業部函綜公告因應非洲竹瘟緊急防疫措施 程序委員會建交經濟委員會宣讀完畢第一欄1032 農業部函綜修正農業部農村發展及水土保存數台北分屬編制表等四項編制表程序委員會建交司法及法術經濟的兩委員會宣讀完畢 |
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6506.109 |
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6529.364 |
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第104案 金融監督管理委員會 韓宋 期貨顧問事業管理規則第25條 證券商經營期貨交易輔助業務管理規則第28條條文看護表及條文對照表看護表 程序委員會 建交財政委員會 宣布完畢第105案 教育部 韓文修正 國立海洋科技博物館 規範商品標準第3條 副表1至副表2 程序委員會 建交教育及文化委員會 宣布完畢 |
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6530.225 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
6543.416 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
第106案 吳浩默喊為民間參與文化設施監管營運辦法並修正第二條 第三條及第四條納溫懲修委員會兼交教育及文化委員會宣讀完畢第107案 吳浩默喊為民間參與文化設施監管營運辦法並修正第二條 第三條及第四條納溫懲修委員會兼交教育及文化委員會宣讀完畢 |
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6551.863 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
6566.389 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
第108案 交通部航位採用國際海事組織所屬海洋環境保護委員會所採納至2004年船舶壓艙水集成基因物管理國際公約後續修正案增訂壓艙水管理公約電子紀錄不申明程序委員會見交交通委員會宣讀完畢 |
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6567.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
6585.943 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
第一零九案 交通管理修正大眾數工具 無障礙設施設置辦法部分條文 裁刑委員會兼交交通委員會 宣讀完畢第一零零案 交通管送檢疫 郵政檢疫人受保險監管理辦法第35條 條文及條文對照表 控告表 裁刑委員會兼交交通裁判 聯合委員會 宣讀完畢第一零零案 交通管送檢疫 郵政檢疫人受保險監管理辦法第35條 條文及條文對照表 控告表 裁刑委員會兼交交交通裁判 聯合委員會 宣讀完畢第一零零案 交通管送� |
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6586.303 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
6613.983 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
第一一一案 交通部海外修正交通部航港局編制表陳修永會見交司法及法治交通兩委員會宣讀完畢第一一二案 交通部海外修正交通部公路局工程材料技術所編制表陳修永會見交司法及法治交通兩委員會宣讀完畢第一三案 衛生福利部函送安菲他命類藥品與其衍生物質 眼淚及痔跡為藥食法治禁藥及其另外規定陳修永會見交生衛福利及衛生環境委員會宣讀完畢 |
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6614.924 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
6642.608 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
第114案 衛生福利部海外廢止 禁用屬胺肥大名 類似減肥藥品等二項公告陳修永會見交社會福利及衛生環境委員會 宣傳完畢第115案 衛生福利部海外修正 兒童接少年 收出養命和服務者許可及管理辦法第30條及第30條之一條文陳修永會見交社會福利及衛生環境委員會 宣傳完畢第116案 衛生福利部海外修正 港部檢疫規則部分條文陳修永會見交社會福利及衛生環境委員會 宣傳完畢 |
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6642.868 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
6660.326 |
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法院會本案國民黨團體改交審查本案交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查下一案第117案勞動部海外修正就業促進津貼實施辦法部分條文前序委員會建交社會福利及衛生環境委員會宣讀完畢法院會本案國民黨團體改交審查本案交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查下一案 |
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6660.782 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
6674.532 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
第一方案 勞動部海外修正職業安全衛生教育訓練規則部份條文 陳修永會兼交生物衛福理性衛生環境委員會 宣讀完畢無異通過 法院會第119案至173案依序宣讀其中121 124 126 128 129 131至134 145 147 148 154 167案 臺灣民眾黨團體改交審查 |
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6683.459 |
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6698.618 |
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第122至125、133案國民黨團體改交審查宣讀之後以上提案均改交相關委員會審查其餘議案均照程序委員會意見通過請問院會有異議沒有異議我們宣讀宣讀之後通過請宣讀 |
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6700.424 |
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6729.759 |
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第119岸至第121岸內選部第112岸及第123岸國防部第24岸國軍退出官兵輔導委員會第25岸外交部第126岸及第127岸經濟部第128岸國家發展委員會第129岸農業部第130岸財政部第131岸行政委主席總署第132岸金融監督管理委員會第133岸省計部第134岸及第138岸文化部第139岸及第140岸教育部第141岸及第142岸核大權委員會第143岸及第144岸國家科學及技術委員會 |
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6755.338 |
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第145案是第147案交通部第148案數位發展部第149案衛生福利部第150案勞動部第151案是第166案內選部第167案大陸委員會第168案海洋委員會第169案原住民族委員會第170案及第171案教育部第172案內選部第173案外交部海綿更年度相關預算中央政府海關戰略提出計劃採購特別預算113年度會計報告查核報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
6756.738 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
6763.103 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
114 年度中央政府總運算 114 年度中央政府總運算追加運算的運算權益分別簡訊相關報告 宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
6770.097 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
6795.238 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
另一期四案為本院教育及文化委員會報告審查相關人民團體的請願案經審查結果均負成為議案案諮詢事項 找行政院答覆部分請政院函送本院黃委員建豪等所提諮詢之書面答覆光三件以本院委員質詢部分本院龍委員之強項 行政院提出質詢共一件宣讀完畢好 報告委員會 我們報告事項已經處理完畢現在我們進行同意權之行使事項請宣讀審查報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
6796.792 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
6820.027 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
本院交通委員會於114年8月28日舉行公聽會《廣大學者專家經濟見解並製作公聽會報告》以供本院委員參考本院交通教育及文化兩委員會於114年10月20日 召開聯席會議審查本案會議由李教景 袁崑澤擔任主席並邀請行政院張秘書長敦寒報告及行政院人事行政總書判員貝勳 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
6821.548 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
6839.828 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
10月20日 與會委員提取行政院張秘書長敦衡報告後由國家通訊全部委員會委員並委主任委員 被提名人蔣榮鑫先行說明委員洪孟凱等20人提出詢問其後有委員並委副主任委員被提名人陳明修說明委員吳佩儀等11人提出詢問另有委員盧明哲等5人提出書面質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
6840.589 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
6842.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
我們現在請召集委員李崑澤委員補充說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
6867.401 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
6879.163 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
沒有補充說明好報告委員會我們現在對國家通訊傳播委員會主任委員副主任委員及委員被提名人同意權之行使進行記名投票表決 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
6880.239 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
6902.109 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
由各黨團各推派一位擔任投開票監察員有關同意全案之相關事務工作均循例辦理設置圈票處四個 票軌兩格幫議會在投票表決之前我們先來做以下兩項宣告一 投開票監察員由國民黨團推派王洪威委員擔任 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
6903.149 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
6913.346 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
民進黨團推派王振旭委員擔任臺灣民眾黨團推派劉書斌委員擔任二 投票截止時間為上午11點26分 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
6916.229 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
6940.556 |
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如全体委员于11点26分前均已经投票完毕我们提早开票重复一次10点26分我们开始投票全体委员于上午11点26分均已经完成投票完毕我们就提早开票现在请工作人员布置投票所并请投开票监察员执行监察职务 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
7118.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
7146.36 |
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我們依照業會決定國家通訊傳播委員會主任委員 副主任委員兩位委員被提名人並為一張同意票另外為便於領票及投票領票時請各位委員分區領票編號1號到60號請至南區領票編號61號到113號委員請至北區領票投票時發言台兩側各有一個票軌均可以投入現在請各位委員開始領票及投票 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
10320.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
10330.196 |
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報應會我們距離投票截止時間上午11點26分還有三分鐘在這裡上沒有投票的委員要請大家趕快投票 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
10497.776 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
10505.277 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
好 報告議員會 我們投票截止時間上午11點26分已到請按鈴請工作人員佈置開票所 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
10610.745 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
10622.389 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
好 現在跟院會報告發票報告書我們領票委員立法院行使國家通訊傳播委員會人事同意權投票表決發票報告書領票委員110位 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
10627.116 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
10655.172 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
沒有領票的委員 3 位合計 113 位中華民國 114 年 11 月 7 日投開票監察員劉淑斌委員王洪威委員王振旭委員報告委員會 我們現在開始開票請開起票軌並整理同意全票 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
11163.939 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
11179.332 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
好 報應會我們現在依序進行唱票請唱票丁學中同意全票蔣榮軒不同意陳明修不同意黃薇薇不同意羅惠文不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
11188.426 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
11202.997 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
劉許廷同意全票蔣榮鮮不同意陳明修不同意黃巍巍不同意羅惠文不同意王世堅同意全票蔣榮鮮同意陳明修同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
11215.672 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
11228.303 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
黃薇薇 同意羅惠文 同意王振旭 同意全票蔣榮鮮 同意陳明修 同意黃薇薇 同意羅惠文 同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
11238.001 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
11249.226 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
王育敏同意全票蔣榮鮮不同意陳明修不同意黃薇薇不同意羅惠文不同意王定宇同意全票蔣榮鮮同意陳明修同意黃薇薇同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
11268.061 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
11275.824 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
羅惠文 同意王美惠 同意全票蔣榮軒 同意陳明修 同意黃薇薇 同意羅惠文 同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
11287.304 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
11291.827 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
王逸川同意全票蔣榮鮮同意陳明修同意黃薇薇同意羅惠文同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
11303.291 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
11316.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
王鴻薇同意全票蔣榮軒不同意陳明修不同意黃薇薇不同意羅惠文不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
11321.084 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
11326.447 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
吳麗華同意全票蔣榮軒同意陳明修同意黃薇薇同意羅惠文同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
11336.215 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
11344.418 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
江啟臣同意全票蔣榮軒不同意陳明修不同意黃薇薇不同意羅惠文不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
11353.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
11370.973 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
何欣淳同意全票蔣榮鮮同意何欣淳同意全票蔣榮鮮同意陳明修同意陳明修同意黃薇薇同意黃薇薇同意羅惠文同意羅惠文同意吳佩奕同意全票 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
11372.477 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
11389.387 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
蔣榮軒同意吳佩儀同意全票蔣榮軒同意陳明修同意陳明修同意黃巍巍同意黃巍巍同意羅惠文同意羅惠文同意吳宗憲同意全票蔣榮軒不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
11390.027 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
11402.556 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
吳宗憲同意全票蔣榮軒不同意陳明修不同意黃薇薇不同意羅惠文不同意吳秉瑞同意全票蔣榮軒同意陳明修同意黃薇薇同意羅惠文同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
11419.228 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
11428.994 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
吳思瑤同意全票 蔣榮軒同意陳明修同意黃巍巍同意羅惠文同意吳綺銘同意全票 蔣榮軒同意陳明修同意黃巍巍同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
11445.143 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
11466.559 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
黃薇薇同意 羅惠文同意 羅惠文同意呂玉玲同意選票 蔣榮軒不同意呂玉玲同意選票 蔣榮軒不同意陳明修不同意 陳明修不同意黃薇薇不同意 黃薇薇不同意羅惠文不同意 羅惠文不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
11468.021 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
11478.574 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
李坤澄同意全票蔣榮軒同意李坤澄同意全票蔣榮軒同意陳明修同意黃巍巍同意羅惠文同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
11484.229 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
11499.132 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
李坤澤同意全票蔣榮鮮同意李坤澤同意全票蔣榮鮮同意陳明修同意陳明修同意黃薇薇同意黃薇薇同意羅惠文同意羅惠文同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
11500.171 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
11516.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
李彥秀同意全票蔣榮鮮不同意李彥秀同意全票蔣榮鮮不同意陳明修不同意陳明修不同意黃薇薇不同意黃薇薇不同意羅惠文不同意羅惠文不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
11517.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
11536.373 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
李柏毅同意全票 蔣榮軒同意李柏毅同意全票 蔣榮軒同意陳明修同意 陳明修同意黃巍巍同意 黃巍巍同意羅惠文同意 羅惠文同意沈伯陽同意全票 蔣榮軒同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
11537.037 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
11548.185 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
沈博洋同意全票 蔣榮軒同意陳明修同意黃巍巍同意羅惠文同意沈發惠同意全票 蔣榮軒同意陳明修同意黃巍巍同意羅惠文同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
11565.444 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
11580.351 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
林月琴同意全票蔣榮鮮同意林月琴同意全票蔣榮鮮同意陳明修同意陳明修同意黃巍巍同意黃巍巍同意羅惠文同意羅惠文同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
11581.448 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
11604.532 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
林佩祥同意全票蔣榮鮮不同意陳明修不同意黃薇薇不同意羅惠文不同意林怡瑾同意全票蔣榮鮮同意陳明修同意黃薇薇同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
11611.184 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
11620.855 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
羅惠文 同意林黛樺 同意全票蔣榮鮮 同意陳明修 同意黃薇薇 同意羅惠文 同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
11630.606 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
11635.312 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
林俊憲同意全票蔣榮軒同意陳明修同意黃巍巍同意羅惠文同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
11646.807 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
11658.555 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
林思明同意全票 蔣榮軒不同意陳明修不同意黃薇薇不同意羅惠文不同意林建啟同意全票 蔣榮軒不同意陳明修不同意黃薇薇不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
11676.927 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
11687.818 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
羅惠文不同意林國成同意全票 蔣榮軒不同意陳明修不同意黃薇薇不同意羅惠文不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
11695.726 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
11699.911 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
林淑芬同意全票 蔣榮軒同意陳明修同意黃巍巍同意羅惠文同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
11710.743 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
11719.447 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
林楚英同意全票 蔣榮軒同意陳明修同意黃巍巍同意羅惠文同意林德福同意全票 蔣榮軒不同意陳明修不同意黃巍巍不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
11738.275 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
11747.723 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
羅惠文不同意邱志偉同意全票蔣榮軒同意陳明修同意黃薇薇同意羅惠文同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
11756.519 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
11764.571 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
邱若驊同意全票蔣榮軒不同意陳明修不同意黃巍巍不同意羅惠文不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
11772.742 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
11777.389 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
邱振鈞同意全票蔣榮鮮不同意陳明修不同意黃巍巍不同意羅惠文不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
11789.204 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
11793.449 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
邱奕瑩同意全票蔣榮鮮同意陳明修同意黃薇薇同意羅惠文同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
11804.693 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
11810.879 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
柯智恩同意全票 蔣榮軒不同意陳明修不同意黃巍巍不同意羅惠文不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
11820.968 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
11825.175 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
柯建銘同意全票蔣榮鮮同意陳明修同意黃巍巍同意羅惠文同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
11835.871 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
11851.257 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
洪孟凱同意全票 蔣榮鮮不同意陳明修不同意黃巍巍不同意羅惠文不同意許巧心同意全票 蔣榮鮮不同意陳明修不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
11862.282 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
11876.396 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
黃薇薇不同意羅惠文不同意徐欣盈同意全票蔣榮鮮不同意陳明修不同意黃薇薇不同意羅惠文不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
11884.844 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
11889.267 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
徐富奎同意全票 蔣榮軒同意陳明修同意黃巍巍同意羅惠文同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
11900.595 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
11907.902 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
圖權吉同意全票蔣榮軒不同意陳明修不同意黃薇薇不同意羅惠文不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
11915.951 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
11923.519 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
翁曉琳同意全票蔣榮軒不同意陳明修不同意黃薇薇不同意羅惠文不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
11932.092 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
11943.019 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
馬文君同意全票 蔣榮軒不同意馬文君同意全票 蔣榮軒不同意陳明修不同意黃薇薇不同意羅惠文不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
11948.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
11959.625 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
高晶素梅同意全票蔣榮軒不同意高晶素梅同意全票蔣榮軒不同意陳明修不同意黃巍巍不同意羅惠文不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
11965.072 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
11971.118 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
張宏祿同意全票蔣榮軒同意陳明修同意黃薇薇同意羅惠文同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
11980.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
11984.712 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
張綺凱同意選票 蔣榮軒不同意陳明修不同意黃巍巍不同意盧慧雯不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
11996.861 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
12004.452 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
張志倫同意全票 蔣榮軒不同意陳明修不同意黃薇薇不同意羅惠文不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
12012.882 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
12016.925 |
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張雅玲同意全票 蔣榮軒同意陳明修同意黃巍巍同意羅惠文同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
12028.753 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
12040.002 |
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張嘉峻同意全票蔣榮鮮不同意陳明修不同意黃巍巍不同意羅惠文不同意張瑞雄同意全票蔣榮鮮同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
12049.836 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
12065.889 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
莊瑞雄同意全票 蔣榮軒同意陳明修同意黃巍巍同意羅惠文同意許宇珍同意全票 蔣榮軒不同意陳明修不同意黃巍巍不同意羅惠文不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
12077.498 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
12091.947 |
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許智傑同意全票 蔣榮軒同意陳明修同意黃巍巍同意羅惠文同意郭育琴同意全票 蔣榮軒同意陳明修同意黃巍巍同意羅惠文同意羅惠文同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
12108.044 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
12117.607 |
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郭國文同意全票 蔣榮軒同意陳明修同意黃巍巍同意羅惠文同意陳永康同意全票 蔣榮軒不同意陳明修不同意黃巍巍不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
12135.351 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
12146.417 |
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羅惠文 不同意陳玉珍 同意全票蔣榮軒 不同意陳明修 不同意黃薇薇 不同意羅惠文 不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
12155.382 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
12184.444 |
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陳秀寶同意全票 蔣榮鮮同意陳秀寶同意全票 蔣榮鮮同意陳明修同意 陳明修同意黃巍巍同意 黃巍巍同意羅惠文同意 羅惠文同意陳亭飛同意全票 蔣榮鮮同意陳亭飛同意全票 蔣榮鮮同意陳明修同意 陳明修同意黃巍巍同意 黃巍巍同意羅惠文同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
12185.194 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
12192.903 |
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羅惠文 同意陳俊宇 同意全票蔣榮鮮 同意陳明修 同意黃薇薇 同意羅惠文 同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
12202.365 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
12229.274 |
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陳冠廷同意選票蔣榮軒同意陳冠廷同意選票蔣榮軒同意陳明修同意陳明修同意黃巍巍同意黃巍巍同意羅惠文同意羅惠文同意陳昭芝同意選票蔣榮軒不同意陳昭芝同意選票蔣榮軒不同意陳明修不同意陳明修不同意黃巍巍不同意黃巍巍不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
12229.754 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
12246.785 |
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羅惠文不同意羅惠文不同意陳素月同意全票蔣榮鮮同意陳素月同意全票蔣榮鮮同意陳明修同意陳明修同意黃薇薇同意黃薇薇同意羅惠文同意羅惠文同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
12261.592 |
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陳培余同意全票蔣榮鮮同意陳培余同意全票蔣榮鮮同意陳明修同意陳明修同意黃巍巍同意黃巍巍同意羅惠文同意羅惠文同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
12262.689 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
12277.928 |
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陳雪生同意全票蔣榮軒不同意陳雪生同意全票蔣榮軒不同意陳明修不同意陳明修不同意黃薇薇不同意黃薇薇不同意羅惠文不同意羅惠文不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
12279.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
12286.68 |
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陳金輝同意全票蔣榮軒不同意陳明修不同意黃薇薇不同意羅惠文不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
12295.212 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
12302.923 |
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陳超銘同意全票蔣榮軒不同意陳明修不同意黃薇薇不同意羅惠文不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
12311.463 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
12324.813 |
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陳盈同意全票蔣榮軒同意陳銀同意全票蔣榮軒同意陳明修同意陳明修同意黃薇薇同意黃薇薇同意羅惠文同意羅惠文同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
12325.772 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
12331.718 |
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麥玉珍同意全票蔣榮軒不同意陳明修不同意黃薇薇不同意羅惠文不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
12341.667 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
12349.178 |
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傅坤祺同意選票蔣榮軒不同意陳明修不同意黃薇薇不同意羅惠文不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
12357.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
12367.838 |
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黃仁同意全票蔣榮軒不同意陳明修不同意黃薇薇不同意羅惠文不同意黃秀芳同意全票蔣榮軒同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
12376.611 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
12391.897 |
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黃秀芳同意全票 蔣榮軒同意陳明修同意黃巍巍同意羅惠文同意黃建斌同意全票 蔣榮軒不同意陳明修不同意黃巍巍不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
12400.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
12415.239 |
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羅惠文不同意黃珊珊同意全票蔣榮鮮不同意陳明修不同意黃薇薇不同意羅惠文不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
12419.341 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
12429.985 |
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黃建豪同意全票蔣榮軒不同意陳明修不同意黃薇薇不同意羅惠文不同意黃國昌同意全票蔣榮軒不同意陳明修不同意黃薇薇不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
12447.891 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
12465.684 |
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羅惠文不同意羅惠文不同意黃婕同意全票蔣榮軒同意黃婕同意全票蔣榮軒同意陳明修同意陳明修同意黃薇薇同意黃薇薇同意羅惠文同意羅惠文同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
12466.858 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
12470.784 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
楊耀同意全票蔣榮軒同意陳明修同意黃巍巍同意羅惠文同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
12482.098 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
楊瓊英 同意全票蔣榮軒 不同意陳明修 不同意黃薇薇 不同意羅惠文 不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
12500.792 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
12506.954 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
萬美玲同意全票蔣榮軒不同意陳明修不同意黃薇薇不同意羅惠文不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
12517.259 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
12524.583 |
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葉元芝同意選票蔣榮軒不同意陳明修不同意黃薇薇不同意羅惠文不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
12533.328 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
12540.993 |
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葛如君同意全票蔣榮軒不同意陳明修不同意黃薇薇不同意羅惠文不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
12549.159 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
12556.925 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
廖仙翔 同意全票蔣榮軒 不同意陳明修 不同意黃薇薇 不同意羅惠文 不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
12564.992 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
12575.578 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
廖偉祥同意全票 蔣榮鮮不同意陳明修不同意黃巍巍不同意羅惠文不同意劉建國同意全票 蔣榮鮮同意陳明修同意黃巍巍同意羅惠文同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
12595.253 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
12608.121 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
劉書斌同意全票 蔣榮軒不同意陳明修不同意黃巍巍不同意羅惠文不同意蔡其昌同意全票 蔣榮軒同意陳明修同意黃巍巍同意羅惠文同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
12625.071 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
12637.361 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
蔡易瑜同意全票 蔣榮軒同意陳明修同意黃巍巍同意羅惠文同意鄭天才同意全票 蔣榮軒不同意陳明修不同意黃巍巍不同意羅惠文不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
12655.235 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
12669.381 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
鄭振淺同意全票蔣榮鮮不同意陳明修不同意黃巍巍不同意羅惠文不同意魯明哲同意全票蔣榮鮮不同意陳明修不同意黃巍巍不同意羅惠文不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
12685.312 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
12699.556 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
盧憲一同意全票 蔣榮軒不同意陳明修不同意黃巍巍不同意羅惠文不同意賴士寶同意全票 蔣榮軒不同意陳明修不同意黃巍巍不同意羅惠文不同意羅惠文不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
12715.593 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
12726.146 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
賴慧媛同意全票蔣榮軒同意賴慧媛同意全票蔣榮軒同意陳明修同意黃薇薇同意羅惠文同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
12730.163 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
12742.932 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
賴銳龍同意全票蔣榮軒同意陳明修同意黃巍巍同意羅惠文同意謝依鳳同意全票蔣榮軒不同意陳明修不同意黃巍巍不同意羅惠文不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
12758.603 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
12770.469 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
謝龍介同意全票 蔣榮軒不同意陳明修不同意黃巍巍不同意羅惠文不同意鍾嘉斌同意全票 蔣榮軒同意陳明修同意黃巍巍同意羅惠文同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
12786.858 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
12793.926 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
韓國瑜同意全票蔣榮軒不同意陳明修不同意黃薇薇不同意羅惠文不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
12802.521 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
12814.166 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
顏寬恆同意全票 蔣榮鮮不同意陳明修不同意黃巍巍不同意羅惠文不同意羅廷偉同意全票 蔣榮鮮不同意陳明修不同意黃巍巍不同意羅惠文不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
12830.493 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
12842.618 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
羅明才同意全票 蔣榮軒不同意陳明修不同意黃巍巍不同意羅惠文不同意羅美玲同意全票 蔣榮軒同意陳明修同意黃巍巍同意羅惠文同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
12858.784 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
12872.528 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
羅志強同意全票 蔣榮軒不同意陳明修不同意黃巍巍不同意羅惠文不同意蘇巧惠同意全票 蔣榮軒同意陳明修同意黃巍巍同意羅惠文同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
12886.927 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
12893.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
蘇清泉同意全票蔣榮軒不同意陳明修不同意黃巍巍不同意羅惠文不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
13084.994 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
13086.374 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
我們現在做一下決議 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
13116.135 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
13139.629 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
蔣榮鮮未獲得超過全體立法委員二分之一同意票依法不同意為國家通訊傳播委員會委員並為主任委員陳明修未獲得超過全體立法委員二分之一以上同意票依法不同意為國家通訊傳播委員會委員並為副主任委員黃薇薇 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
13140.864 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
13160.435 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
羅惠文軍委獲得超過全體立法委員二分之一同意票依法不同意為國家通訊傳播委員會委員中華民國114年11月7號投開票監察員王洪威委員劉淑冰委員王振旭委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
13162.325 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
13178.429 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
我們上午的會議進行到此為止謝謝監察委員 王宏偉委員 劉淑冰委員 王振旭委員也謝謝廖先祥委員 陳培宇委員陪同我們一起開票也謝謝所有工作夥伴下午兩點三十分我們繼續進行質詢 現在休息 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
21570.202 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
21597.638 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
主委院長 各位列席的官員午安我們現在開始繼續進行今天的經濟組織諮詢我們一場二樓來自國立中科十月高中以及捷克從捷克GJP高中的同學我們掌聲歡迎大家接下來我們請劉許廷委員諮詢王宏威委員請準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
21603.581 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
21607.218 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
好 謝謝主席 卓院長有請麻煩請卓院長備詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
21619.315 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
21630.351 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
林委員好 恭喜林委員榮英新職希望未來我們互相鼓勵 互相加油 共同合作謝謝卓院長的肯定但我們今天還是要針對重大的議題進行討論這個外貿是台灣的產業命脈 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
21636.119 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
21651.135 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
這個自由流通而且順暢的國際貿易的環境是台灣過去經濟奇蹟現在新一波的成功不可或缺的關鍵因素因此我想對焦世界的局勢掌握國際的脈動應該是政府很重要的責任院長同意我這樣說嗎 |
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21652.662 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
21670.815 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
今天我們總諮詢的主題叫做中美的單邊主義產業的雙重威脅院長你知不知道什麼叫做單邊主義單邊主義從某一個國家自己的角度跟立場跟利益來出發維護自己的所有的利益那麼會跟以前所說的全球的 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
21671.235 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
21690.403 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
主義會有一點相排斥的作用會有一點相排斥 沒錯國際上來講單邊主義指國家單方面的行動這樣一個行動可能無視其他的當事人不對其他的當事方進行什麼特定的承諾往往帶有民族主義 霸權主義等等的色彩通常是具有一定的實力跟影響力的組織才會奉行所謂的單邊主義 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
21691.663 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
21715.661 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
現在的國際局勢空前的混亂川普政府上任之後對全世界發動了貿易戰跟關稅的措施請問院長認為在美國對我們的關稅談判裡面美國對台灣是不是採行了單邊主義我認為是美國一個國家對全世界多數的國家進行多數不同形態內容的雙邊談判的一種行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
21716.782 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
21730.397 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
你剛剛講美國一個國家對全世界這些東西我都可以認同但是如果對全世界到底他是單邊主義還是對等的雙邊談判因為美國有一些力量他是主導世界一些經貿的走向跟政治的發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
21731.158 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
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所以在這個情況底下他當然有區域上的一些責任但是就經濟上來講他還是需要跟世界其他的國家跟經濟組織共同合作才能獲得全面的發展跟平衡的進步以美國來講他當然具有剛剛院長有講他具備實際上的影響力舉足輕重那麼川普政府的MAGA基本上有濃濃的這個民族主義的色彩他單方面的對全世界課徵的關稅並沒有經過商量的一個程序 |
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所以院長他到底是不是藍邊主義基本上還是有經過一些談判的過程比方說我國跟美國的談判當中我們就一直堅持我們的台灣模式這也是一個談判的過程至於歐盟日韓也都有相同的程序在進行過沒關係我們接著往下談我們再來討論這個問題 |
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在承接我們上一次總質詢上一次總質詢我們花了非常多的時間去談台美之間的關稅談判很多人都逼問進度等等大概也都沒有下文我們就不再贅述但目前的關稅談判如剛剛講卓院長講他比較傾向一個雙邊的對等的談判雙邊的對等談判照理來講雙邊都應該得到一些好處對不對互利然後達成一個協議才是所謂的雙邊對等但目前為止我們的關稅談判除了止損之外真的有額外的好處嗎我唸一段這是最新的經貿談判辦公室的新聞 |
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最近已經進入第五輪的實體磋商進入了視訊會議已經準備進入總結會商的階段要簽一個台美的貿易協議那談判的重點我們要的是調降關稅避免最惠國的MFN的稅率重疊也希望232條款有多一點的豁免 |
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是人家丟了一個關稅在我們頭上然後我們盡量談不希望這個關稅太高可是除了這些東西以外這個東西叫做止損就是我不要受傷太重對不對那除了止損之外有沒有什麼具體的利多呢有或沒有以目前你們掌握的訊息基本上一開始的原因在於美方他要解決他的貿易逆差跟財政的赤字所以他認為說對他有貿易逆差的國家來看他必須要從貿易的平衡上面來取得雙邊的平衡 |
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那我國剛好ICT產業跟其他的電子零組件對美方是有高度的我方的順差的所以他會列為一個重點的對象就我們來講我們如果對美方採取基於我們自己在產業自主發展上面的共同的需求的美方包括全球的佈局 |
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那對我們來講也是一個力量的延伸我很懷疑這樣說法的真實性因為普遍上大家都擔心的是產業的空洞化你聽我講完而且談判的標的我剛問的是我們要的是關稅不要太高對不對20加N怎麼樣來做後面232能不能開幾條路讓我們的ICT還有點活路 |
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這個不是利多我舉個例子給你聽這個韓國在談判的時候他是不是談了一個貿易協議他被課了關稅低了一點對不對但好歹他們在造船業等等取得了一定的共識讓他有一口氣可以走嘛那台灣呢我們現在是單純只能像日本這樣只能換到關稅不要殺那麼兇然後我要投資好幾千億美元到你美國本土這個不叫對等談判我認為叫止損因為對產業界來講的話他們是不怕競爭但是要在一個立足點 |
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公平上的競爭我們在要求就是這一點至少我們在美國市場上可以跟其他國家所以哪一些產業因為這個未來可能簽成的台美貿易協定他開放了他有新增的力度是以前沒有的 |
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你再講一次你馬上要談一個貿易協議嘛對不對我們會被課關稅我們會受一點傷對不對那哪一些產業因為這樣利多啦我們只要可以站在一個利主點的平等我們就不怕競爭我們就可以在美國市場上所以嘛你講的所謂利主點平等你當然是跟我們其他競爭的比如說日本韓國等等相比對不對是大家一起受傷但都不要受傷那麼重嘛所以我講這個叫止損這個不叫得利嘛 |
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講到這邊談了半天只能止損那我再問一次院長這個談判是不是單邊主義 |
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我們有充分表達我方的要求甚至我方未來在美國如果我們投資採購我基於我方的財政跟任何的需求我們有提出我們希望美方要來協助的地方包括一些行政作業的協助等等我覺得這不完全是單邊主義但是美方我再講一句美方要求平衡他的貿易逆差對我來講就是一個壓力但我們必須在壓力底下尋求一個貿易的平衡 |
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現在我提醒一下我們的談判團隊現在要把握幾個談判的變數這我們一直在講掌握各地的政情跟國際局勢是很重要的這美國最高法院的判決現在看起來風向對於川普政府好像不太有利很有可能從他們的大法官的角度片面由總統發布課徵關稅的舉動是會受到衝擊的同樣美國國會現在進入了癱瘓的狀態很多共和黨的議員也不見得支持川普的政策甚至對於很多關稅的案子在國會是封殺的請問院長知不知道這件事 |
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訊息萬變我們也不敢做任何的揣測不過我們有做事先的各種模擬的分析在什麼樣的情況底下我們應該有進一步的什麼的因應以前我們大家都很本來很急躁說要談我那時候講說不見得快速談是好的因為局勢一直都在變對不對那現在有一個機遇是這個是美國國內的一個壓力跟一個變數把握這樣的變數其實在談判上我們稍微有好不容易一點點籌碼我不敢講多 |
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那這個時候談判的節奏你們會照常進行嗎還是要加速還是要暫緩還是要做什麼樣的打算有把握嗎目前的節奏包括經濟部都很辛苦他一直要跟產業界講因為產業希望我們趕快談定趕快落點落在哪裡但是因為各種局勢啊現在的變化經濟部花了很長的時間跟產業講說我們已經準備好了所有的產業支持的方案所以一旦 |
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到了該弱點發生的那一天我們就馬上會上路我提醒一下啦現在比如日本韓國等他簽了都簽了嘛承諾就承諾了即便最後關稅被沒收那個協議都還在對不對但我們現在是有點機會喔因為還沒談成啊那如果有變數的話談判的節奏怎麼捏拿對中華民國產業的利益國家的利益是最好的我提醒院長要做好準備因為啊如果面對這種局勢的瞬息萬變即便是美國國內有他不利的因素我們當然要把握啊 |
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對不對國安上面大家是好夥伴是盟友對不對但產業上我們不容任何威脅這也是應該要堅持的如果我們對於這樣的局勢沒有任何因應變化跟策略的調整的話那人民就很難安心了好不好我先提醒關稅的事情到這個地方善用一下機遇現在美國國內的狀況是我們可以利用的籌碼關稅談判的我希望看到一點新的或者是更多的進展因為你舉不出任何利多你只是在 |
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止損的情況下談的時候那他當然就是單邊主義我們就是被欺負的對象我們進下一題這看起來世界的格局走向好像也不是只有美國在走單邊主義這個中國大陸最近搞稀土管制院長請問中國大陸的稀土管制是不是一種單邊主義 |
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他利用本身這種天然資源上的優勢掌控全世界市場上的需求我講這個是違背全世界合作主義的違背全世界合作所以認為是嗎是一種單邊主義嗎如果單就這一件來看跟他在 |
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整個海洋上面的霸權的爭奪來看你剛剛講說西土上違反了全世界合作的原則美國片面克爭全世界關稅有沒有違反全世界合作的原則我說他有透過談判的模式中國大陸西土也談判 他們跟歐盟才剛談完啊他們也談判啊 |
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這個談判是0跟100的談判我希望我們面對這個我們今天談的是產業的威脅我就不希望太多的政治的因素在裡面美國的關稅當然是單邊主義同樣中國大陸的稀土經營當然也是單邊主義 |
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對不對 所以這麼大的一個變局院長有沒有實時掌握中美他們現在講G2 structure兩大強權有掌握川習會隨時的談判的進度跟結果應不應該多掌握留心這個走向當然整個政府團隊包括國安團隊還有我們的談判團隊都密切關切美中跟美台之間的關係謝謝 那一你們整個政府團隊的安排跟想法川習會後的談判結果你覺得誰站得上風 |
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兩個人都說他贏都說自己贏兩個人都說自己贏非常好這個誰勝誰負所以你沒有定論對不對你也覺得在變化中嗎我只在乎台灣國家的利益我們有站穩住這個是最重要的好 謝謝這個現在我們就針對稀土這件事情這個稀土這件事情你覺得他們達成協議了沒 |
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短時間吧一年的豁免一年的豁免對不對講得真好來現在狀況出現我不知道你們有沒有掌握可是你有掌握你不會這樣回答為什麼中國商務部的說法是按照吉隆坡等他們這個部長層級的官員在會談的這樣一個結果然後川熙會只是確認因此是10月的擴大稀土管制暫緩執行一年對不對部長我這樣講沒有錯吧這中國商務部的官方說法對不對新的擴大的機制暫緩暫緩一年好院長部長白宮怎麼說的稀土禁運的部分 |
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因為這個樣子他也稍微有一點退讓降低了百分之十我只講稀土他降關稅那個都是大家比較明確的稀土的部分白宮怎麼說的美國立場應該是他會積極尋求取代稀土的天然資源沒有 我沒有回答到重點不好意思我直接說明白宮的fact sheet公布的說法是包含四月因為四月有一波的七種稀土管制十月的擴大管制白宮的說法是四月跟十月通通會解除 |
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院長有沒有掌握這個訊息啊那雙邊認知應該有落差對不對好 雙邊認知落差因為他們現在只是穿席會聊好像還蠻愉快的對不對可是如果雙邊在這個具體的事實認知上出現了嚴重的落差那請問他們的協議會簽還是不會簽這個很難在這裡預測他們雙邊的行為很難預測行為 部長覺得呢 |
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因為上次川普1.0的時候中國也承諾了 但是後來也沒有買所以美國人也很生氣所以我們後續還是要看他們兩個國家實際落實的狀況所以你們也沒把握對 但是對台灣來講的話 |
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第二階段的這個豁免對我們就是相對比較好因為第二階段有包括主要是磁鐵跟馬達的部分好 非常好這個待會我們有花一些時間來做討論我再多給團隊一點訊號啦這個第一個這個兩邊的認知不同我們剛剛已經說明了嘛這個美國的貝森特選舉就說啊如果稀土禁運持續 |
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關稅就會重新回來這個訊息你們應該要掌握對不對這個中國商務部最近啊大幅的擴編人力為什麼因為他在搞什麼搞稀土的專案審批嘛你要專案核准才能夠出口對不對商務部欸川習會好像聊得很愉快可是一邊又說關稅會回來一邊講說我商務部要擴增人力這個信號是什麼真的有這麼樂觀嗎院長部長我再問一次你覺得這個協議會不會簽成 |
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他總是中國總是要有一些準備吧anyway他可能不管一年的豁免之後可能還要重新談判也不一定甚至我很擔心如果這整份協議都沒有簽成那這一年的豁免會有豁免嗎是不是就沒有了對不對但是目前看起來還是有這樣的口頭上的地兒 |
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但兩邊的官方文書說法現在開始出現起義喔沒關係都有可能啦有可能簽的成然後不知道是哪個版本對吧也有可能我認為本席認為機率不低啊因為雙方的認知都不同已經擺在檯面上而雙方的商務系統也都做出了相應的準備所以是很有可能他們兩個聊得很愉快但最後協議簽不下去協議簽不下去代表什麼 |
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院長 部長 請問四月包含十月的稀土淨運它會不會繼續存在 |
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但是委員因為他們兩個國家對國際間已經散發出有和善有一年的豁免如果又破局的話我想他們兩個國家也會有壓力很難對全世界交代所以部長比較樂觀 院長你樂觀嗎你覺得有多大的機率簽成協議然後是照哪一個版本來走其實站在中華民國台灣最大的利益是希望全世界穩定 |
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軍事、政治、經濟都穩定那我們才能在當中快速的尋求我們發展的途徑所以任何大國之間的協議如果讓全世界都有一個看到一個清楚的目標他就這樣去達成全世界會比較穩定我期待是這個樣子好 院長期待往好的方向走部長本人的專業判斷比較樂觀本席是不太敢太樂觀為什麼 因為 |
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我跟你講這兩個大國現在都是單邊主義他們都自己想幹嘛就幹嘛不愉快就互相衝突常常有的事情既然是這樣子的國際環境我希望我們是用料低從寬的心態你當然要想萬一他延長了對不對四月的也延長了十月的也延長了我們要提早有因應的措施嘛對不對部長應該不會反對我這樣講吧因為你被動因應或者說主觀期待很樂觀不見得能夠及時回應產業需求嘛對不對 |
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所以我就要往下問啦稀土的經營措施不見得會解除我們剛討論過了那這段時間我看經濟部的業務報告對不對等等賴總統的一些想法我們有所謂的五大信賴產業包含全球的半導體AI 軍工 安控還有次世代通訊等等是我們未來要主力扶植的產業要加強台灣的競爭力對不對請問這五大產業會不會受到稀土經營的影響 |
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會 如果是第二階段那個部分主要是磁鐵跟馬達那個部分會受到比較大的影響部長 第二階段除了具體的講到跟磁鐵跟馬達會有影響之外他還有一個什麼樣的機制會讓我們有更大的產業衝擊 |
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他是審批就是說賣到第二國家你要告訴我你最終會賣到哪一個國家用在哪裡標準答案叫長臂管轄對不對也就是說我不會只是管直接從中國大陸進口的稀土或者是相關的材料我連轉口的他手都要伸過去 |
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然後來做壓迫 對不對所以這對台灣的產業風險恐怕是不太小事實上我們根據中華民國商總2025工商會務雙月刊裡面有一筆研究資料叫做大陸管制稀土出口對於美中台產業鏈供應鏈的影響分析2024年以台灣的這個量來講這個95.3%95.3%的稀土磁鐵86.1%的稀土金屬混合化合物79.5%的某類式化合物 |
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60.7%的稀土金屬是直接來自中國大陸直接或間接來自中國大陸這些東西會影響軍工電動車風電影響醫療高階光學半導體核心這是我們現在最強的地方它雖然不是直接依賴但是它的下游設備跟高階檢測磁性元件等等先進封裝應該都會或多或少受到影響 |
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我這樣引述有錯嗎但是製程上的影響比較小因為主要是製程上的話會用到所謂的那個4跟藍這一次在12項裡面前後12項裡面沒有包括這兩項我講五大信賴產業就半導體可能相對很小因為這個半導體大家關注關注度很高的相對來講資訊比較透明其他的呢 跟磁鐵馬達的部分主要是主要這個部分影響會比較大 |
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跟磁鐵因為磁鐵馬達其實是小的元件但它影響很多東西來跟你的五大信賴產業有哪一些會具體的受到影響部長要不要說明一下因為大部分的機械的部分會動的部分都或多或少會用到馬達跟磁鐵 |
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所以半導體剛剛講的是封裝嘛對不對所以AI相關的一些電子領域也會用到對不對軍工當然有你剛剛講的無人機安控通訊應該都會用到吧哪一個產業可以完全豁免跟稀土無關的 |
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是 但是現在的部分我們是因為間接進口就是精煉是在其他的國家玩了以後我們是間接從美國或日本或者是美國歐美日本我都明白但它的原料都在哪裡啊美歐日做這半程原料在哪裡目前依賴比較還是依賴中國大陸比較重對不對所以這是一個你們一個不會反對的事實就以簡單做一個表格跟五大產業鏈這個都有分析的半導體或這幾個 |
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三 甲 特 狄 流 抗 乙這七大元素四月宣布進口的四月宣布管制的七大元素也就是到現在為止都還要專案審批的七項系統元素跟五大信賴產業的關係軍工特別高所以軍工的影響比較大因為牽涉到無人機等等那跟半導體影響比較小就是我剛才講影響最大的是四根藍沒有在這裡面對所以我今天就針對 |
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軍工 針對無人機的部分大家來做一下討論我們的政府花了非常非常多的資源有中央的計畫其實各個部會在這個年度的預算書裡面其實很多都提到了無人機產業這應該是一個很重要的施政的目標無人機產業當然應用很廣但很重要的部分當然還是在軍工跟國防那談到軍工跟國防我們常常政府裡面常常說出來要打造飛鴻供應鏈 |
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打造這個這樣子的一個供應鏈的情況下請問我們的無人機產業啊我們政府設定的自製率是多少也就是自己國產自己做目標有沒有 有沒有一個相關相對明確的目標 |
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我們當然是希望說最後的最終結果我們都能做我們都能做並不表示說我們一定全部都一定要在台灣做而是有這個能力因為這個會牽涉到經濟規模的問題如果這一項的零組件只能用在這個area來講的話顯然是不符經濟規模但是如果說特殊狀況要做我們是能夠做出來就好像 |
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現在很多的無人機我們電子五個說老實話你給他一段時間他都可以發展出來但是問題就是說因為他現在沒有那個需要跟訂單那麼大所以他不見得會投產你在政府在發展整個無人機自製的產業的過程之中你們有沒有設定應該打造非紅供應鏈這樣的戰略目標 |
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現在看起來晶片有個非紅供應鏈在那個地方其他的產業有沒有非紅供應鏈的目標是 軍工的部分是有的軍工的部分有對不對所以無人機應該也是在應該要變成一條非紅供應鏈以民進黨政府的執政方向這樣應該沒有錯吧對 跟民主國家要共同形成要共同協助好啦 那我就要問核心的問題啦那請問無人機產業我們繞得開紅色稀土嗎 |
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紅色的稀土因為稀土現行的狀況就是都在中國大陸所以說為什麼很多的民主國家包括澳洲現在還有美國本身還有很多的國家已經開始針對這些所謂的稀土的部分開始重新開採因為過去來講的話事實上它的成本是不符合這樣的 |
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因為中國他對環境比較沒有那麼care所以因為他大量要用強酸所以會影響到一些環境所以很多國家不太願意倒不是說他們沒有稀土而是這個精煉的過程開採完要精煉對 要很多的成本 |
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中國大陸可以卡人家脖子對不對除了稀土產量本身大之外關鍵是精煉的技術或什麼他抓在自己的手上而且他現在在進行管制的措施以無人機產業來講上游的稀土原料跟磁體90%以上要依賴中國大陸中游的馬達 自動氣等等的零組件70%要依賴中國大陸即便是下游的組裝整機因為人家零件的物料等等的優勢也都有50%左右的 |
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我現在很擔心我們的政府又要講飛鴻供應鏈無人機又是軍工產業裡面的還蠻重要的一個亮點政策的一環那這彼此之間會不會打架再來就是說如果稀土的長臂管轄跟控制持續的話那我們的無人機產業是推呢還是不推呢院長可以回答嗎我們當然是推啊所謂的飛鴻供應鏈或是民主供應鏈不單是我方 |
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要去發展是全世界民主理念相近國家都認為在此時此刻如果有這樣一個民主的供應鏈對資安安全上對國防安全上是必要的而且是不可取代的所以不只是我方所以我們應該結合這些理念相近國家共同來尋求一個產業的供應鏈這才是全世界 |
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大家合作之道目前大家遇到的共同困境就是大家目前一時半刻都繞不開稀土剛剛部長有講好像各國在合作澳洲馬來西亞等等有可能有新的投資但你這個新的投資我們先不管中國大陸會不會在精煉的地方再做長臂管轄這整個過程走下來籌資落地設廠還要再商用等等怎麼樣也要有個三五年吧 |
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對不對那這個時候跟我們國家要推動的會不會被卡住啊我只在擔心這個問題啊稀土禁運如果持續存在不要影響我們的產業發展我覺得這是我們政府要特別留心提防的很多人不管是半導體也好其他的產業也好大家都在提醒啊我們現在有沒有針對我們的稀土的進口稀土相關產品的進口進行全面的盤點而且進行庫存的統計 |
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因為現在這個是一個不確定因素嘛你不確定他的禁運會抓的多嚴嘛我們現在有多少的這個稀土進口走了專案審批被打槍的沒有辦法順利通過的有多少是透過第三地目前還可以順利通過的經濟部這邊行政院這裡國安團隊這裡有沒有掌握啊 |
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八號委員現在絕大部分是進口沒有錯或是稀土的間接產品絕大部分是進口所以我們現在有一些想法就是說我們自己要有一些庫存上的準備滿足我們自己自足但是沒有辦法完全我們希望至少在2030年之前可以有滿足我們三分之一三分之二還是要跟民眾講那個三分之一具體來講是幾噸 |
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因為那個出口的量我們查到的資料是大概6000億台幣嘛500噸那我後來有看到另外一份資料講說我們每一年的剛性需求大概是1500噸的稀土左右嘛那你希望達到三分之一因為我目前也沒有看到我們有跟其他國家比如說合作開採或什麼樣的一個狀況嘛對不對我目前看到政府推出的策略只有比如說回收再利用欸 此時此刻我們是只有實驗室對不對他能夠一年可以弄出多少噸稀土啊 透過回收 |
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現在公園已經它有公斤級的這個精煉的相關技術公斤級所以還有一段路要走Scale up以後再把這個計算給這個廠商現在已經有一些廠商有興趣了那這些廠商事實上他們 |
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有已經在跟澳洲或者是其他國家有在談了就是說這個原料可以從那邊進來我提醒政府啦既然這五大信賴產業或多或少都會要使用稀土那麼稀土的淨運跟長臂管轄跟專案審批它或多或少就會影響產業發展的進度請針對相關的產業進行盤點它現在已經是重要戰略物資啦你政府當然要有所掌握要庫存統計的掌握你不見得要公開因為它有商業機密這個我們都尊重的 |
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布裡面現在到底有沒有統計啊 有沒有盤點的資料我們一直在準備啊 所以就是剛剛向委員報告的嘛為什麼我們會開始做自己的 包括您應該要回收在最嚴苛的情況下 比如說談判破局10月的稀土禁令保留 而且開始進行長臂管轄我們可以撐多少天 他開始斷供的時候一案都沒有過 我們可以撐多久 |
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沒有現在來講的話全世界還是有間接稀土在運轉當中所以我剛剛問他長臂管轄開始使用包含間接他都把他掐起來的時候沒有他有些已經出口的已經有DIR的跟人家談好合約他不可能在長臂管轄所以你現在有一些庫存有一些DIR那大概可以撐多久半年一年兩年三年有沒有一個簡單的時間因為我們的部分我們是間接進口所以很被動 |
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目前第一道難關倒不是台灣是我們間接進口的那些國家請你做好最壞的打算我只能這樣說我們會準備好不逼你在這個地方講出具體的數字但是請你做好準備這是本席要嚴肅的提醒關稅稀土很殘忍這稀土禁運我剛講了中國大陸當然是單邊主義然後他當然就是搞卡脖子對不對但我告訴你我之所以擔心的事情我不會只擔心稀土 |
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其他的產業也挫雷彈這個是台晶院部長以前待過台晶院做的景氣燈號報告這當然以總體來講股市兩萬八對不對半導體產業長紅經濟成長率創新高拍拍手但是這個燈號展現了什麼樣的那個你有沒有看過整份的報導基本上除了電子零組件跟半導體科技產業是紅燈熱絡嘛產值非常的高之外其他的產業基本上一片藍的狀況部長有掌握這樣的訊息嗎 |
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我知道但是因為這個怎麼編的我也知道他比較不敏感我建議您去看看他的營業氣候測驗點國發會你有一個網站我也知道但他沒有這麼詳細的分享台晶園的報告是有詳細各個系的產業的分享這我想也不用我在這邊多言基本上除了半導體跟比較進步科技的產業之外其他的傳統產業是很辛苦的 |
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我要問你的問題是這幾個產業化材 石油 煤製品 汽車零件毛房品 金屬手工具一般通用機械跟自行車這些產業的共通點是什麼你知道嗎除了他們都是藍燈之外 |
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現在我看到了實際上的數據比如說九月份很多的產業的出口已經都恢復到正的成長顯然就是說你回答我的問題就好除了燈號之外有沒有什麼共同點當然就是從五月份開始因為四月份是對等關稅我問你這幾個產業的共同點是什麼 |
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你一時半刻也看不出來因為時間有限我直接公佈答案他們都是ECFA早收清單的受益者他們出口賣到中國大陸享有相對優惠的關稅稅率既然美國會用單邊主義殺關稅老共會用單邊主義搞稀土會不會哪一天大家不愉快的時候用單邊主義取消我們的早收清單我們的政府有沒有針對這樣的產業鏈可能的進一步的衝擊傳產的毀滅性打擊預先做兵棋推演 |
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院長有嗎所以我們一直在說除了幫助產業能夠在內部研發轉型之外重要的是多元市場的開發幫助他多元市場開發就不會落在一個國家的找收清單把你卡死我們現在協助他往 |
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更多的市場去做更多的開發這就成績單啊你看開發國外市場結果還是藍藍藍藍藍對不對好像效果不好我希望要加油如果你要預做最壞的準備兩邊都會搞單邊主義那表示我們的外貿環境已經不像以前這麼好了我們就希望看到政府有很多積極的作為他可能是預防可能是轉移風險你要做超前部署 |
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所以謝謝立法院給我們的特別預算至少經濟部來講有460億來因應這樣的挑戰就是多元開發市場還有我們自己本身的轉型升級的協助 |
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我要提醒最後的時間產業現在面對中美單邊主義的雙重威脅已經是板上釘釘的事實我們如果還在政治掛帥忽略產業的真實需求我想是蒼白無力的人民期待的是方法跟出路 |
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我要提醒我們的行政院要為產業界創造友善的環境用任何方法創造友善的環境這是我們政府不可迴避的責任我希望我們的行政團隊針對關稅跟稀土的雙重衝擊做好準備 謝謝我們的提醒跟我們現在的關鍵有很大部分是不謀而合所以我們如果共同努力讓產業界更有信心好 謝謝劉許廷委員質詢謝謝卓院長 經濟部長備詢 謝謝 |
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謝謝王振旭委員 張雅玲委員陪同我們一起參與今天的總質詢接下來我們請王洪威委員質詢陳超明委員請準備好 謝謝主席我先請行政院院長麻煩再請左院長備詢 |
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王委員好院長好院長這兩天有一個政策出現了大轉彎而且引起軒然大波就是我們的衛福部長宣布的補充保費這件事情行政院在昨天晚上緊急喊卡我想請問一下卓院長對於衛福部所 |
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宣布的補充保費的內容跟決策你事先知道嗎還是如同媒體所報導你是看到報紙才知道 |
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跟委員報告衛福部長期以來對健保的財政要做全面的改革一直是一個很重大的課題所以我也很肯定衛福部用他各種的設算去提出未來健保財政改革的方案但是這個補充保費他所宣布的內容你事先知情嗎 |
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整個詳細的內容沒有到這麼詳細但我們知道比方說他把這個一千萬的門檻上限拉高到五千萬這個部分的討論是有過的那其他也有一些討論利息鼓勵租金這個就是 |
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涉及到包含小資族跟一般的散戶的這部分的補充保費這個案子你知情嗎是不是那媒體報導有沒有出入呢你是不是這個想起你是在媒體看到的我們在衛福部提出的整個報告裡面我們有看到他有一份這樣的想法但是這個想法要經過嚴謹的 |
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衛福部跟行政院內部討論才會出來公告就是要兵取社會共同的意見這個案子為什麼後來突然喊卡因為包括連衛福部都說這個案子的細節根本沒有跟金管會來溝通討論過這樣的決策模式請問院長覺得這樣可取嗎所以它並不是一個定案既定的要實施的決策 |
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他就是一個預告讓社會各界來提供意見這樣引起軒然大波你會不會覺得在你們的部會之間的溝通應該要做檢討可以更好這一次的這樣的整個的大轉彎緊急喊咖院長有震怒嗎沒有 |
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不必為這樣子震怒我要了解整個事情的來龍去脈院長其實今天我們是經濟部門的質詢但是我要講的就是政府為了這個財政收入的增加不管是健保也好或者其他也好今年其實已經有兩起這樣的事件包含之前年初的750元之亂這個其實我們之前是討論過的 |
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就是突然這個速發部要對這個進口3C的產品要課徵750塊還有這一次的健保補充保費的部分所以院長其實老實講我不大曉得你們哪來的底氣我都覺得我要恭喜你們了 |
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以為你的施政滿意度是60% 70%才會搞出這樣的一個狀況嗎所以這樣的一個政策的混亂我認為一定要避免而且涉及到民眾特別是深斗小民他們的支出或者要跟他們身上去科學也好規範也好一定要更為慎重您同意嗎兩點跟我們回報 |
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民調再高都應該要妥善的溝通這個民調無關第二點我在這裡都講過健保的改革是要讓高收入的國人多負擔一些沒錯這個才是大原則你們現在都是跟一般的小股民跟小資族時間暫停一下我請一下經濟部長時間暫停麻煩請經濟部長備詢 |
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時間繼續好 院長 經濟部長這兩天還有一個非常重大的當然外界看起來也是一個政策大轉彎但是如果轉彎的話我個人是非常肯定的卓院長曾經說非核家園是不可放棄的目標 |
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但是大家也知道在錯誤的能源政策下大家一直都認為台灣不應該完全的摒除核電這兩天包含台電對外宣稱說核二核三有重啟的機會跟條件 |
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好包含媒體問我們拱部長的時候呢拱部長也沒有否認這件事情但是只是說這個呢需要有啟動還是要有一些和安的檢討而且時間不一定會一樣好所以我想請教院長 |
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在政策上現在行政院支不支持台電提到經濟部的有關於現在開始來評估評估何二何三長重啟的計畫行政院支持嗎在有法律的改變之後我們尊重專業的 |
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這個分析跟科學的根據如果專業跟科學認為有重啟的可能性而且安全無虞在有法律合法的基礎底下那就請台電進行自主安全檢查的這個程序那看結果如何我們再來依最後的結果來做判斷 |
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院長其實今天的宣誓是一個非常重大的轉換我們說整個肺核家園從今年的5月17號和珊走入歷史之後那麼當然是在這之前我們立法院就努力了推動法案以我個人而言我從我補選立委到後來的參加大選我的 |
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問政還有我的選舉的政見都把希望爭取核二核三廠研議作為我的政見老師說今天有這樣子的一個轉圜我個人我相信我們絕大部分的企業產業還有絕大部分的國人是支持的我也要請委員也能夠支持政府多元開發多元綠能的這項政策跟努力 |
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待會我就會談到綠的不是不支持但是不支持掏空的行為這個題我還要請教 |
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過去為什麼要推動研議因為台電曾經評估過荷爾核三廠的研議費用研議是要有費用的分別是150億到300億但是重啟的費用當時在整個的公投的時候環團他們提出來的評估說如果核三要重啟的話 |
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那麼時間要耗費5到10年花費的費用高達4900億元請教部長環團這樣的說法是不是接近事實的應該不是這樣應該不是那大概是多少重啟的費用大概是多少因為現在我們要自主檢查以後跟這個原廠評估以後才可以知道但是當然國外是有一些經驗那是不是一定會比重這個研議的費用要高 |
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國外的重啟不會像這個右邊這樣的數字這麼高不會好 但是一定會比研議高我在這邊我就必須要說因為當初評估的價錢跟現在因為現在物價上漲等等一些情況所以我要講的 |
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重啟的成本時間成本費用成本一定會比研議要高這是必然的所以我要講就是說雖然我支持我支持我們現在和二和三開始重新的來啟動他們可以重啟的開始的評估這個程序但是啊我真的覺得 |
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我要講就說當時我們說破嘴核三廠在今年5月17號走入歷史短短半年之間然後我們真的覺得撐不下去了然後要現在重啟核二核三現在連核二都要重啟評估 |
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當然我知道這個壓力很多是來自於美方最近美國有太多的智庫也好專家也好能源的相關也好或者是國安的相關也好都指出台灣能源韌性脆弱的一面所以重啟核電我相信有很多來自於美方的壓力可是錢是我們台灣老百姓出的不是嗎 |
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早知今日 何必當初你覺得當年讓河山廠就這樣走入歷史是不是很可惜的事情河山廠5月17號他庭議是基於當時河管法40年的規定後來經過大院把它延長了 |
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但是我想委員我提醒在當時5月17號的那個時候我要求台電核三廠的人員不能讓他離開一定要保留在原廠裡面因為我們未來還要做很多包括核三廠的善後乃至於新的核能技術的接觸等等所以我們就是有準備當有新的核能技術的時候我們要開放態度來整個跟世界做共同討論的 |
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我們還好啦 核二核三廠至少核二廠也沒有像核一廠把燃料棒全部都送回去了今天才有機會來做重啟那另外 我剛才講到綠能我們支持綠能 時間暫停一下我想也請農業部長上台時間暫停 麻煩請農業部長備詢 |
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院長我剛才就說我不知道行政院現在還是有哪來的底氣可以做這樣政策混亂這樣的大轉彎剛才講補充保費最近還發生就是台肥董事長吳英寧人事的事件 |
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吳英寧在公布大概兩天你們農業部還幫他保證在龐大的社會的輿論壓力之下大轉彎他當董事沒有當董事長 |
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院長這不是第一個案例去年對不對台灣今年同樣的是發布他當董事長吳政章結果呢號稱是賴清德震怒三天下台錯誤的人士吳政章下台 |
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另外經濟部主導成立的綠能科技的中心前執行長鄭益齡他也是去出任我們的台智電的副總經理後來涉入弊案被生壓我要講的是這些重要的國營事業人士為何如此草率為何會有這樣大轉圜台北市上市公司不是國營事業 |
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你沒有股權嗎 你的股權將近四分之一他還是上市公司跟國營事業是不一樣的如果沒有農業部的支持如果沒有農業部的支持吳亦寧可以當董事長嗎 可以當董事嗎你還好意思在這邊強辯我們推薦他 吳亦寧本身他還是對於農業本身他對農業夠了解 |
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這些人士難道你們不應該檢討嗎你如果覺得他那麼好農業部不是肯定吳怡寧嗎你讓他當董事長啊吳怡寧本身他對農業本身的產業範疇是夠了解的我要講的是國營事業其實過去的人碧綠藍綠啊很多國營事業非常積憂但是我們現在看到的幾大國營事業 |
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院長我不曉得你知不知道我們現在幾大國台電嚴重虧損這個大家知道了中油現在也在嚴重虧損中累積有沒有虧損嗎有沒有虧損還要再強變你以為只有中油跟台電嗎台水螳融台船現在通通是在虧損中我要特別講一下中鋼院長有沒有買過中鋼的股票 |
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我到現在沒有買過任何一張股票中鋼過去是台灣的基優股以前在台積電之前很多的股民要存股要存什麼股 中鋼因為中鋼是一家基優的公司到現在股民130萬股 |
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最近我連續參加中鋼工會兩次的記者會為什麼中鋼員工在抗議在配合政策下讓中鋼去參與了星達海基的投資綠能啊 風電基座 |
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讓中鋼一下子虧損了64億之多虧損完了我現在最近才知道喔國發基金也有投資然後還要求中鋼把國發基金的股票也把它買回去因為不要再增加國發基金的虧損了國發基金虧損也虧損累累啊 |
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他是一塊錢買回去的不是用原價這家公司都快要倒掉了啦還要讓人家買回去股權還是有啊所以怎麼樣倒逼公司讓中鋼去承受讓龐大的130萬股民去承受嗎我今天要講的是今天我們未來都會在歷史留名當年的趙鐵頭趙耀東先生 |
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大家抬到趙鐵頭是說他把中鋼帶得那麼好成為台灣一等一的公司結果你現在中鋼虧損累累院長你知道中鋼現在虧損多少嗎中鋼的虧損也有一個原因是來自中國低價鋼的競爭來取消這是其中之一所以院長以中鋼這麼好的公司 |
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這麼好的公司啊到現在累計虧損出現了將近50億46.8億的虧損而其中投資綠能慘虧64億元之中 |
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好 謝謝好 謝謝王宏威委員的質詢謝謝卓院長 相關部會首長備詢 謝謝接下來請陳超明委員質詢 郭育晴委員請準備 |
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指揮院長好首先有請我們行政院我們的卓院長還有經濟部的總部長麻煩請卓院長 經濟部部長備詢陳委員好卓院長 總部長好 |
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那把它放了一下首先我請我們的卓院長跟廣布長好好看這個紙庭以台灣產業經濟發展的角度讓台灣的加熱 |
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去打世界的市場但是我們也不希望執政黨不能也不行這句話很重要領以外人不以家僕我為什麼寫一個家農台灣人是為了台灣這塊土地去做五做六才有今天經濟的繁榮發展可能你們覺得不重要但是我今天特別請經濟部長來要注意這個產業 |
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現在最熱門的話題就是台灣目前開發加熱於2000公升分別是日本跟美國那美國的那個加熱於進口是跟我們的7-11是連線日本的話跟我們的那個全家連線這裡面發生了一個非常重要的問題 |
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當時送件審查的時候台灣已久公司跟台灣有兩三家公司都去送審但是在送審的過程不斷的要求補件現在台灣目前只能買到日本的加熱瘀美國的加熱瘀台灣自己產的加熱瘀只問樓梯廠從來沒有看到人下樓一直一直在補件 |
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所以台灣現在變成日本跟美國加熱衣的殖民地國務部長我強調這是一個產業再來這裡面的過程台灣自產的加熱衣最大的問題在哪一個地方國產史規範的健康風險評估沒有標準可行那我也先到這些廠商的請託我也請教過國健史 |
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風險評估裡面的動物臨床實驗的規模去標準是怎樣完全不曉得我用紅字特別點出來完全不曉得讓我請教業者如果能提供健康風險評估的報告去申請那些申請的委員又是如何能把它申請 |
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完成審查 院長這是很重要的事這幾項你來了解我用詞的用意在 我不然你太老了 那就沒面子了再來 美國跟日本通過審查你就應該公布他的健康風險評估報告讓我們全民檢驗 |
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不是在政府在那邊替美國日輪廠商在煙煙吹吹這大家外面都說大的黑箱作業啊 台灣就很可憐今天日本跟美國會贏 台灣都不會贏那我也跟院長 部長報告 台灣已久市場大概有兩千億的規模 |
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現在加熱於推估的話至少五百億元未來有機會抗上千億但是現在只會被美日的長徒戰台灣的加熱於沒有機會加速競爭我為什麼點這個問題因為目前全世界只有美國跟台灣要求加熱於上市前要提供健康風險的評估 |
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但是日本沒有 日本上次也沒有說要提健康風險的評估所以目前因為餘壓防止法規定製造外銷也要經過台灣的健康風險的評估這樣的規範看起來我們很謙博 我們很謙高 我們道德很高我們台灣的廠商綁手綁腳也限制我們台灣加熱魚的外銷機會 |
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我跟部長 院長如果這個人開玩笑以臺灣製造能力達上千億五千億美金不牙於電子產業你們永遠繼續這樣現在臺灣政府沒有把儀品 |
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就是現在的加熱鹽當作產業在看待所以目前每日都是在台灣的市場佔有最高利益外面怎麼傳輸要給他抽習慣油市場就是他的你不知道這裡生你人這裡美國人這裡日本人我要求該要求我們台灣的政府你們就來配合他們怎麼做 |
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連泡沫台灣依舊的湯董事長也很無奈他說我是政府主派的 我不能講話你看有比亞的嗎 哪裡有這樣的政府不然我們給他特別提出來我們現在 |
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目前換算台灣的加熱衣外銷加熱衣的製作有很多是含有電子科技的含量記不好含有很多電子科技的含量在臺灣的電子業很厲害臺灣的電子業很強烈我們應該幫助你你臺灣不同意沒關係我們自己去外銷我們自己來發表我們自己去爭取市場我們現在政府偶像不通 |
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美國就有,可以進來日本就有,那叫做設限條件要保持台灣這麼輕鬆你們的政府配合那些觀念我不再講了,這難聽啊,真的所以我在這裡,我只要拜託說現行的醫藥房子規範,製造外銷要經過 |
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臺灣的健康風險評估 我覺得你放寬如果我實施的國家是同意的話你就讓我做外銷嗎可憐的臺灣人 真的是雲木明子別在臺灣深耕花花我們的天使煙你們竟然擋得嚴嚴密密那什麼 我是老實人 |
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我了解產業這個產業未來未來很重要可以變成國際性的產業不要頭腦每天想電子什麼的這個是全世界通用它不亞於電子產品的產量 |
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我希望這一點 你聽到沒有第一點在法律通過之後 加熱菸是可以在國內市場上市政府該做的是後市場的安全管理 這個我們要做好第二點 至於他要上市經過的審查的標準國內國外應該一致標準不容許有不同的標準第三個 |
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台酒公司他要加油政府的立場希望台酒公司加油加油之後第四個我們尊重國健署這個專業委員會在健康風險評估之後的專業的審查結果我問了你通過了那個健康風險評估好你美國日本過了給我們參考拿不出來不敢拿出來這是酷刑的所在 |
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三月的審查委員會說引用的資料引用的資料跟標準應該國內國外都要一致 |
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阿對台灣怎麼苛責 這是我們的本領我還說這個一個大行業嘛我相信台灣做出來比美國日本還要好 已經做出來了每次送繩都不夠 不講理由就推薦了哪裡有這麼爛的政府 每天要求台灣人我真的講 你們都不知道 港府長 這個是產業 |
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我講地方的事情你換到農業部長上來一下一定 這個要好好研究這台灣有辦法做出世界第一的好的產品因為我們台灣的電子業 科技業金融那個裡面跟它有關係你不管是冷液還是要熱的都有關係這是台灣的專長 |
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美國人會過 日本人不會過台灣的科技那麼強 不能夠我們求行 這個我拜託一下我是不憑責命啊好 謝謝委員提醒 我們一定馬上了解沒有時間的關心那我地方的建設大溪谷計畫我一直講下去 滾布場 |
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你跟我講要有 你從國發會行政院秘書長 現在政府部長我講了幾十四五年了 你們那樣跟那樣沒有關係一樣嘴巴講得甜言蜜語 背後都不動作我不會說你背後插刀啦 都不動作啦這個給我講一下啦還有我們國發會的主委 你別起來別起來別起來我跟你們說 你們這樣就知道 |
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好 我農業部的話舉個出來好 陳超明委員索取的資料麻煩請行政院送到陳超明委員研究室謝謝陳超明委員質詢謝謝卓院長 相關部會首長備詢 謝謝 |
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好 接下來報議院會我們一場二樓旁邊來自北一女中的同學我們掌聲歡迎未來的棟樑接下來我們請郭育群委員質詢謝龍健委員請準備好 謝謝主席 有請院長跟農業部部長麻煩再請卓院長 農業部長備詢 |
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郭委員好兩位好我想今天早上我想先請教一下院長的感想NCC人事統一權又全數被封殺全部被杯葛這已經是延宕多時了你對這樣子的一個結果你有什麼樣的感想行政院感到非常的遺憾 |
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NCC通傳會它是一個獨立機關它在這個專業學士跟實務經驗上我們在這個領域找了各方的人才當作被同意人進來當大院來行使同意權 |
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未來這個通傳會他要促進媒體的自主對於廣電衛星內容人事制度各種的管理都必須要他來從事而且很重要的對內容的管理還有對兒童安全 兒少安全那大院也一直希望行政院儘速送出人選可是我們送出來了卻連一個都沒有難道他們是會一無是處嗎 |
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難道所有投反對票的委員沒有一個人稍微動心嗎結果是黨議凌駕一切如果這樣的結果讓我們看到只有在野黨的人選才會被通過行政院提出的人選一定被封殺那未來中選會我們想尋求的合作模式在什麼樣的信任基礎下來從事呢 |
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未來中選會我們提出的人選各方來建議的人選我們送出來了只有在野黨的會通過行政院的被封殺像今天這個樣子那會造成歷史的大錯誰都不敢冒這個風險所以今天讓我們看到完全沒有誠信完全沒有合作基礎我非常非常的 |
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非常非常的遺憾不要說行政院沒有遞出感染資我把整個感染源的一半都遞出來了結果沒有得到任何善意的回應我覺得這個是讓我們重新思考未來合作的模式 |
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好我想這個結果其實大家都不樂見啦因為有許多重要的一些業務其實也完全的被停擺當中喔好那進入到我今天想要質詢這個農業部的一個主題啦那但是在這裡還是要給我們的農業部還有我們的中央以及我們第一線的房檢同仁肯定跟鼓勵我們在最短的時間其實這個危機處理拆彈成功喔但是是階段性的一個成功對於這次的非洲豬瘟的部分來說那要給你們更多的支持跟鼓勵啦 |
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但是其實這次的非洲豬瘟的一個事件當然也凸顯了一個問題也就是全台灣總共大概有五千位的這個獸醫師但是在真正守在畜牧現場的特約獸醫師包含所謂的醫師佐大概只有百分之五點七五那只有三百五十二人其實他們要管理很多很多包含三四十間的所謂的農場或者是牧場那另外他一個人可能要負責上萬隻的一個動物 |
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像這次的這個非洲豬瘟這樣子的一個狀況之下有可能都會變成是自主或者是移工或者是他們直接請所謂的醫事所來做這個投藥的一個動作那我想這個凸顯到一個就是我們的疾病當動物的疾病沒有被專業的一個診斷跟通報那麼防疫跟食安就會成為一個非常大的一個隱憂這是這次非洲豬瘟給我們的一個警訊 |
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但是我想法律明明有規定這個牧場一定要有所謂的特約的獸醫師但是問題是大部分都是只是掛名大部分只是掛名政府沒有一個查核的機制我們怎麼知道這些所謂的特約的獸醫師他們的尋訪他們的尋查有沒有被落實而更深層的就是教育上的一個問題我所謂的教育上的問題因為有很多受到所謂的獸醫教育的人才他們可能畢業之後他們希望能夠往都市 |
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從業都是所謂的臨床寵物這樣子的一個這個從事的一個行業所以真正願意留在所謂的牧場的人是少之又少為什麼因為工作環境不佳再加上他們的薪水其實是低的我看到有一個粉專他在披露所謂的一個這個所謂的特約的這個獸醫師他管一個這個豬農的一個場域 |
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三萬六三萬六不是一個月三萬六是一年一年三萬六千戶這樣子誘因這麼低我們怎麼能夠留得住人才這是一個問題再來我看到這個是第一個防線有那個防線但是這個防線到底是虛的是空的還是實的其實值得我們去深思第二條其實即將崩潰的一個防線就在於全台的防治所跟動保處 |
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的所謂的基層的獸醫師這些公職的獸醫師為什麼我要這麼講因為他們可能要負責所謂的鹿島的動物鹿殺的動物他可能還要負責檢疫的工作他可能還要面臨所謂的人要去評估人道安樂這樣子的一個措施的同時他要背負很多的社會輿論的一個壓力還有人情上的一個事故那麼連所謂的在評估的同時他沒有時間 |
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在時間緊迫人力需求是完全匯乏的情況之下他有可能就有悲劇我講到2016年的這個在新屋收容所的這一線的簡訊收益師他自殺自殺的事件他在遺書當中他特別寫到他寫說末端的資源人力不足 |
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源頭的管理管制工作沒有辦法做好流浪動物在最下游的收容所都是一場苦難這是他一書上寫的這點出什麼樣的一個問題很多人說他們是一線正在殺動物的人但是很少人知道他們面臨沒有人力沒有資源沒有心理支援的狀況之下每天可能要面對很多的生死他們也被迫在這樣子的一個體制下能夠要做 |
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缺口當中是最難的一個決定好 這是一點另外一個動物的悲劇是前一陣子我不曉得我們的部長有沒有看到那麼有一個民眾他去檢舉了嘉義市一位不當飼養的飼主 |
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他的老狗那麼他隔籠跟他跟這隻老狗來做互動他通報了所謂的這個地方的動保處那麼動保處隨即當然就將這隻狗摸入那你知道狗狗其實他有自己本身防衛的那樣子的一個天性他被人捕捉到 |
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陌生的地方他一定會吃鴨咧嘴他一定會吠叫即使他已經是十幾歲的老狗但是他長期的被虐待等到這一位所謂的檢舉人他第二天要到這個動保處他要去領養這隻狗的時候這隻狗在前一天當下被捕捉盡所 |
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他就已經被安樂了我想這凸顯的第二個問題就是我剛剛所說的他們在沒有時間去做所謂的人道處理的時間緊迫之下做出了有爭議性的行為之後我們沒有要檢討這位一線的受益師我想這基層的公職受益師他們已經承受太大的壓力但我們要討論的是整個制度背後的缺口誰要來補 |
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那麼我想在沒有時間的一個判斷之下做出這樣子令人遺憾的一個決定導致這隻狗狗這隻老狗原本他是可以有幸福非常渺茫的機會但是他前一天被捕捉入所的時候就已經被安樂了這又是動物的悲劇剛剛我講的兩起事件一個是人 |
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是獸醫的悲劇第二個是動物的一個悲劇我想很多的公職的基層的獸醫師同樣也處在這種邊緣崩潰的狀況之下我想真正能夠留在所謂的公職體系的公職獸醫師剛剛有說全台灣有5000多人的獸醫師真正能夠留在公職基層的體系的獸醫師是不到1000人現在可能農業部長你可能會說不會 |
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我們現在有獎勵這些不開業的醫師我們有給獎金對不對好問題來了6月1號之後原本我們希望最需要基層的獸醫師的人力是要補在對的地方但6月1號我們打開了大門我相信農業部當然不希望做壞人要做白臉好我們農 漁 |
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還有農林漁業還有很多包含所謂的醫藥上的機構這些被認為所謂的公部門可能事情沒有那麼多或者是說壓力沒有那麼大那現在也導致了在現場在職業的獸醫師人也會往那個地方流去所以我們打開了大門之後我想請問的 |
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到底我們的公職獸醫師有沒有資源人力投對地方還是投錯的地方如果投錯的地方我們怎麼補救因為我們現場其實面臨到他們的所謂的值等是比較低他們等於是要碰到疫情發生的時候他叫不動其他的單位他們是二級的單位這個狀況我們怎麼解請教一下農業部部長 |
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謝謝委員的一個關心有關於這個相關的一個議題那我想這次在中央應變中心其實我也看到了非常多特別在第一線的這些防疫人員跟獸醫師我覺得他們真的是淚爆啦那我們雖然說有一些不開的獎金但是獎金 |
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並不足以讓他支持在這個工作上的一個熱忱所以其實我在同時的時候就已經啟動了就是我們要重新檢討獸醫師本身的他在不同的地方政府的安置像在動物松羅所裡面大概有148位但是這148位 |
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他們可能一個禮拜要工作七天隨時待命這個量就太少了相對的就是說你要去處理您剛才講的動物進來以後的一些基本處置人力不夠的事下可能做了一些比較緊急的處置的時候就會造成一些爭議這個部分其實我們已經列入 |
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要整體的從全台灣的這些獸醫師裡面去看看說我們應該再增加還有相關的配置那後續我想會跟人種這邊來看看說怎麼樣因為防疫不只是這個動物我想人力的資源我們要用對地方啦我們不要讓這個所謂的經濟動物沒有獸醫房檢的人力又不足同時在公職尤其是基層的這個公職的獸醫師在收容所當中他們其實是孤立無援的 |
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如果讓整個所有的體系跟制度其實是完全脫節的我想他們最後有可能這些所謂的特約獸醫師變成地方政府甩鍋最好的工具您認同嗎現在看起來是這樣所以我覺得在整個的這些獸醫師本身特約獸醫師本身應該有一個更明確的規範 |
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因為時間的關係我只剩下兩分鐘不到了我想再接著下來我想要提到的就是前一陣子我想兩個多禮拜之前人人犬社謝信獸醫師他所經營的他有特寵症有特寵症都出事了沒有特寵症的私房的問題又是另外一趴非常大塊的一個問題我想從人人犬社的一個世界我們看到的是動保體系的斷裂 |
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為什麼我這樣講20幾年前我在關心動保的時候這個問題就存在到一直現在我們還是發現而且更遏制的是這位謝姓獸醫師利用他自己本身的專業他把他的整個所有的狗場273隻的狗狗全部去除了生態那後來變成272隻為什麼有一隻是死掉了 |
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其中有90幾隻他是年紀超過7歲以上的是不能在生產當生產工具的老狗那當然這個苗栗縣政府因為抵不住所謂的輿論的一些壓力對這一位獸系醫師的狗場開罰了480萬9千多元那當然還要依照所謂的他利用他自己的職權有沒有虐待動物之實這個部分我們可能之後還是會持續的追蹤但是但是我發現 |
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我們有一個很大的一個漏洞就是獸醫師法當中很多人說他有所謂的獸醫師的執照卻沒有辦法取消他的獸醫師執照我們的獸醫師法居然漏掉了這個非常大塊的倫理的制度這個部分我們是不是來往這個方向再繼續的努力再繼續的研議還有寵物晶片的問題的追蹤這又是另外一怕非常大的一個問題今天我只剩下最後的5秒鐘 |
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謝謝委員長對動保議題的關心你剛剛提到受益師合理的退場 |
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好 謝謝好 謝謝郭益勤委員所取得資料請農業部送郭委員的研究室謝謝郭益勤委員 謝謝卓院長 相關部會組長接下來登記第12位邱志偉委員質詢以書面提出我們請行政院書面答覆並列入記錄刊登公報再接下來我們請謝龍介委員請質詢 |
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主席我請到院長跟經部長麻煩請委員長 經濟部長備詢感謝老委員 貴委員謝委員好 |
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先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 先生好 |
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沒有電就沒有競爭力了尤其這個電的部分過去因為為了要達到離空離歐年的恢復能力加強所以很匆忙的中間來推動這個力量他們說問題是很多但是這第一我是很清楚的概念這跟熱情的倒影台的體制是沒有關係的但是 |
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如果有太高級不凡的議員、分析人員要強烈對折那麼在這個中台的政策,因為如果沒有做一個調整對於我國的競爭力是非常嚴重的挑戰我要請問保長,因為這是你的任務你知不知道全世界太陽能 |
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發展的成本 一個空隙大概如何?我們說價錢就好價錢是越來越多啦越來越多啦因為他的成本是逐年在下降台灣不算啦 想蓋整個做一個國家你知不知道?做太陽能的部份?我不知道來 我要請教你 你知不知道日本的太陽能發展多久?對 它比較貴啦 |
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對啦 日本是最貴的嘛全世界 除了台灣以外是最貴的一坨貴的你知不知道新台幣2.7元美国的太陽能一坨新台幣1.8元澳大利亞太陽能新台幣一坨1.4元 |
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白色太陽營一座一戶一戶半大國恢恢靈的家鄉太陽營一座一戶八中東啊中東日頭比較嚴太陽營發展的成本一座四甲半支九甲也是我們的競爭對手印度 |
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太陽能喔 一套高格新代表因為我不知道怎麼說 就是說當機是要去推動太陽能這一兩條的三頁不可能不變故 世界的行政嘛後來 我剛才已經有跟你講過過去的發展 因為我們蓋 我很高興聽到福利福生這兩項 |
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有機會重啓這就讓我們有兩個負能電廠的時候我們就可以慢慢、好好、更強勇來擴大太陽能的發電跟熱能的發電所以變成大總統跟党議長你們就有這個機會創造歷史的關頭 |
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過去我們對今天拆造一個分析而已過去的太陽能是受到政府所推動的一坨五坨 五坨全世界所有的太陽能平均一坨新台幣的一坨半我們五坨 過去啊但是過去那些高雄高鐵到碧端 火航的油丸要查啦 |
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我現在是這樣 我經過我跟台電所談過 跟統計所有國營事業所來討論可是 一定 如果可以在你的臨來推動台灣歷齡的專行你跟老總統可以推動這個專行重新開啟一片歷齡 太陽齡的新疆那麼讓他們做記載 |
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逆應 交給台電 跟相關的公用數額出來的土地 我給你算過了這幾萬公頃裡面 如果是交給台電去運作包括兩條高速公路 跟東西方的快速道路啦這裡所有的 能夠好好使用不用跟水庫 水庫面積不大啦 發了不少電啦 |
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要出一個替代方案是很簡單的你不跟大家對著台南人對著這個五三頭飲水我們的陰泳水灌溉泳水 大家貼心吊膽實在是沒必要 柏中你覺得怎麼樣這個您剛才提到高速公路這個部分我們都有跟相關公路沒有啦 那沒關係 我不是在跟你說這個嘛我剛才在說這飲水大...來來來 我請問議長議長 我們今天談到大風洋 |
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如果可以在這裡做一個重新開始 我在這裡回頭看保證啦你跟老總統 跟金部長 你如果願意這樣輸給我我給你保證台灣的太陽能 一度可以在3個月以後我不要跟你說2個月以後 如果你說是2個月以後啦好 跟你說3個月以後 全世界會想整個喔 |
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我們從3個來進步到2個半 你知道嗎 你如果這樣做我們所有的競爭力可以提升 百姓 生活 同胞 碰撞的壓力就可以降低了 你覺得如何 看台好 報告委員 政府是嚴肅的 不然我就分割過去蔡政府的政策 現在我們也在做我...我...我...你誤會 我的意思嘛 |
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我告訴你過去的經濟存在的這些東西潛入二十年不可能廢掉嘛我第一要說的就是說太陽林 台灣因為土地管理 土地困難再來我們初期發開發的成本當然更高你看世界各國初期到這段時間沒工沒工沒工沒工我告訴你 |
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現在我已經決定 檢討這個正義地區 民間地區 不讓我追考我們現在要講解身份 看這正義是多少嘛我們現在來講 我剛才在跟你講 交付專業的 內定的去經營 大規模去經 我跟你講啦 能夠降到三個月以後啦 |
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你說過去打開市比較貴 我說全世界我所知道的國家打開市也沒有一度超過兩塊八的啊這開發的 你寒了再進行 你看他賞幾兩塊八 還要兩塊開市呢他早開發 他的成本比較低啊我們不是要陪你燒煎煎嘛 |
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所以我贊成委員的說法啦 我們就專業去處理包括給他們電池 有沒有要重新啓用或沒有 給專業來評斷所以我的意思是說 針對太陽能要有一個新的時刻就是說我們所有 坦白講啊 以前你金嘛金要促成 所以單價提高工收費 我就說那已經過去了但是那你不可能把它廢除 那有合約的嘛 |
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未來可以中心 好啦 你就是說用一個現在太陽能一切身份都講過了連老九號台電的專機去處理太陽能的發電我只要給你三年保證台灣的太陽能發電可以降到來3.1%全世界現在平均是1.4%所以我不知道你會不會對這個政策 |
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共同大力來推動這對你們還是一個好的歷史可以留名對台灣的競爭力是可以極度提升的呢可以要求台電降低它所有發電的成本不管是天天天天氣的 煤的 火的都可以降低它的成本 當然是好的事情你把台銅台鹽的土地交給台電去開困本身給你保證2.5億 |
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我幫你補正 你可以請補正這剛好全部都是在你的檢控櫃檢管裡面請研議一下這樣啦 給你一個月的時間研議後分析一個粗暴的答案這樣可以嗎 有辦法嗎研究多一個重點 你說土地喔 |
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研究太陽能 講到這三項以下就是有專程的單位不要再給民間 大家什麼栗油油 菜油油什麼油油 沒意義啦就對沒油油 沒什麼油油我可以在經濟部台前一國一國裡面從綠營 尤其是太陽能未來 省份的分析如果從台灣新的太陽能 |
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好沒問題 |
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謝謝謝龍介委員質詢謝謝卓院長經濟部長備詢謝委員所取的資料麻煩送到謝委員辦公室謝謝謝謝謝龍介委員謝謝接下來我們請廖先祥委員質詢黃建斌委員請準備 |
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謝謝韓院長 麻煩邀請我們卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢經濟部長也可以一起麻煩請經濟部長備詢 |
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廖委員好院長午安我們這個地方比較低政治的話題我們先討論一下就是平溪的天燈其實它對於不只對新北市它是台灣一個非常光光重要的一個元素現在新北市政府它擬具了一個天燈的自治的條例那也送到行政院來了行政院其實是分到經濟部這可能太細的事情您不一定會知道目前有在做一些討論因為其實 |
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它自治條例的精神就是過去天燈會產生一些問題包括環保的問題是許多人在認為詬病的或者是它有時候會產生一些火災甚至燒到民房的一些賠償問題所以說這個文化或者是觀光的體驗也必須要隨著時代與時機均達到共贏的一個目標所以說他們提出了這個自治條例那未來包括這個標章的一個制度那會有收費那包括未來的支出對於環境的永續以及 |
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民眾的一個賠償的部分在這個自治條例裡面大概多有琢磨現在送到了行政院來院長對於這樣子的一個朝永續與時之際的一個自治條例 |
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您的態度是不是原則上支持報告委員 知識條例的內容沒有看到但是平溪的天燈我個人過去也曾經去過我覺得那是非常有特色的當然我們要兼顧到是安全環保以及當地居民他們接受度的問題那這個如果有妥善的規劃跟很合理的溝通大家能夠達成一致 |
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那我看自治條例的內容如何我們會採取正面的方式因為這個原章送到經濟部了經濟部也很感謝經濟部同仁跨部會都在協調當中了原章大家對於條文的內容大家都是支持這樣子的一個方向我們不討論泰西但方向是這樣對的沒有錯但是其實內政部現在有一個問題就是說 |
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他認為這個自治條例所收到的錢叫做這個屬於特別功課那他不屬於規費那所以在特別功課上面他有一些法律的要求他必須要法源地方政府才能夠 |
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來對他們的自治條例來實施現在卡在這個問題這個可能是一個跨部會的問題是不是能夠請院長如果說你認同這個方向我不是說你今天要跟我承諾就是要核定但是目前卡在特別功課的議題上面導致內政部目前沒有辦法他是有一些異議的那是請我們的院長後續再去跨部會來做一些協調讓天然的自治條例盡快的通過 |
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規費或費用收入必須要依法所以在法源允許的情況底下這不是規費啦 這是特別功課對 特別功課對 比較專有名詞他必須要有一個合法的法源那無論是內政相關或是財政相關我必須要跟他們多多溝通但是我認為能夠協助地方發展特色這個前提如果擺上去的話我們可以做其他的修正好 謝謝院長再麻煩院長責成我們的所有的單位議題來努力那接下來下一個議題 |
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就是這幾年其實台灣許多的買車的民眾都有在討論一個議題就是他們認為為什麼大陸的車輛沒有辦法進來因為可能一樣的車子大陸製的車子比如特斯拉好了我們不要講大陸的品牌比如說特斯拉他在大陸的一個售價大概就是台灣的大概一半左右而已許多的民眾都有疑問說那為什麼不讓他進來台灣銷售 |
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那當然我知道我們政府一定有一些相關的規範我也沒有說想要趁這一次的質詢就要改偏車的方向或是院長承諾什麼東西但是我認為我們的行政院應該要有這樣子的一個政策的一個說明因為民眾很多都不知道為什麼大陸車不能進來那不能進來我相信一定是於法有據那這個於法有據的背後的精神是什麼我們可以請我們的行政院對我們的許多要購車的民眾來說明一下 |
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我們會也會負責說明當然我們對一些產品的進口當然他不能違反到國家的安全這是最基本的那另外還有的就是說油車會影響到國家安全嗎對這不一定那個我是說其中一個方向另外一個是對等談判的問題就是說他對我們有開放我們也會對他有開放台灣的車可以賣到大陸嗎不行 |
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御龍不是過去 他是在那邊落地所以對等的部分要開放而且不能獨支在那邊所以這個還是要透過一些彼此雙方的談判才有辦法去解決的問題面對這樣廣大的構成民眾的一些訴求我們未來行政院會不會去做一些討論比如說你說的對等談判 |
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會去談嗎報告委員電動車的部分我們當然要安全注意特別高因為他涉及到很多資安的問題如果是電池或是整個車的底盤我們是有明文規定是不准進來的如果要來這裡設廠他必須完全符合我們的自治率再來他如果整車的進來非電動車整車要進來又採取低價競銷的方式難道委員不覺得對國內的產業會造成重大衝擊嗎 |
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一部分是你們的說法是重大衝擊購車民眾的看法是充分競爭沒關係這個部分我不說談就是我們對於大陸製的車輛我不是講品牌喔是大陸製的車輛所以我才拿特斯拉來做一個比例就是說外國的品牌歐美的品牌在大陸生產製造的也沒有辦法進來 |
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我們對大陸是特別的規定比如說你剛講的安全的規定資安的規定這應該是所有一視同仁都應該要有的一個規範但是我們就直接明定大陸製的汽車不能夠進口到台灣來賣 |
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這件事情它是一個獨立的規定那我們的法源依據跟我們的精神到底是怎麼樣就國安的標準來看我們對資安是高度重視這一點我也要請委員能夠重視電車不要沒關係中國製的電動車輛跟外國其他國家是不一樣的安全你說資安我就順著你的話講電車不要那油車呢那油車剛剛說要互惠對等所以說現在行政院我確定是不是行政院至少經濟部長講 |
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油車的部分是不是對等是我們最重要的一個問題所在對 因為所以只要願意雙方互相開放那沒有牽扯到資訊安全 國家安全那應該就是要開放嘛所有的汽車都是最敏感的因為汽車牽涉到可能他有限量的問題還有關稅多少多高的問題怎麼開放的問題是比較複雜的 |
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每個國家都有這個問題我們針對大陸就有特殊的規定嘛那這個規定的來由是什麼嘛中國沒有跟我們談這項啊所以說我們也沒有意願去談嘛對不對那如果說他們來主動跟我們談或者是我們的民眾希望經濟部去談你們會排斥嗎如果要談可以談啊可以談嘛不違反國家安全的情況下貿易對等的情況下院長跟部長認為這是可以談的嘛 |
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但是要符合 談的條件要符合我們對國內市場的管理啊包括法規 包括如果在這裡要落地車廠所有的車輛進來都要遵守法規 安全的法規嘛 對不對這一定要遵守啊 這本來就是汽車進口都要有經過安全檢驗測試嘛 |
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每個人都要有嘛不是共同的標準都一致那現在大陸的問題就是對等互惠的問題跟國安的問題嘛資通訊的安全的問題因為所有的進口車進來也都要經過我們的檢驗這些一定都要啊全世界對於現在這種低價請銷也都有相當防制的作用有些國家他是用提高關稅 |
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有些國家是用提高關稅來當作一個傾銷的策略嘛對不對但不是完全禁止現在只要是通訊設備的部分我們是不允許中國進來的所以即便他是整車也要把這個通訊設備換掉他就是遊車嘛 |
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油車他有通訊設備啊好沒關係但至少至少我們要有一套標準出來才能去討論嘛對不對我們要聽到知道我們的標準或者說讓民眾理解我們行政院的一個政策他也才不會誤解我們行政院或者是兩岸未來在談判的時候也有一個標準嘛對不對我們會說明清楚好謝謝這油車的部分這個汽車進口的部分就到這邊喔那另外一個比較這個跟這個今天市主沒來啦就是剛剛王侯衛委員有問到的就是這個 |
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衛福部補充保費的問題當然有掀起很大的波瀾剛剛的答詢部分院長是說要提高保費的方向就是要增加財源這個方向您大概是知道的但是比較細的部分您可能是看新聞報導才知道的是這樣嗎 |
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看新聞報告是知道有一個預告那我們當然會從內部拿到一些訊息來看所以在這個石部長宣布之前他有給您看過裡面比較細的方案嗎我不知道的事情是說什麼時間要提出預告這個時間點不知道內容因為我們還沒有到達那個討論到一個完全的定案只是有幾項的原則你是方案不知道還是時間不知道 |
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時間我不知道預告 發出預告的時間我們還沒有到完全內容確定的時候因為我只知道幾個大原則 比方我剛剛說過所以我問你 你知道大原則嗎補充保費第一大原則是要讓收入高一點的國人多負擔一點我們認同 這方向認同 |
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所以說院長剛剛從我們的對談中應該是您知道一個大方向但是他宣布的細項並沒有提前跟您告知是這樣子嗎我沒有討論到一個定案的問題沒有討論到一個細項嗎好那我認為這個方向也是正確的但是不要讓他變成但是我有一句話30年來國人都受健保的保障現在是國人反過頭來要保障健保的時代大家也一定要有這樣的體驗其實大家的意思就這樣而已好不好謝謝謝謝委員 |
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好 謝謝廖先祥委員質詢謝謝卓院長備詢 謝謝接下來登記第15位林黛華委員質詢以書面提出請行政院書面答覆並列入紀錄刊登公報再接下來我們請黃建斌委員請質詢 |
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謝謝主席我們有請行政院卓院長跟經濟部鞏部長麻煩再請行政院卓院長經濟部長備詢 |
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黃委員好院長好 部長好本席首先要針對這個風電的議題表達對中央的肯定在本席跟我們反風電自救會共同的要求下我們中央終於願意發出公文明確的表示不贊成台東陸域風電的開發案守護我們美麗的海岸線那這也代表台東的心聲終於被中央聽見那接下來議題也希望中央能夠繼續聆聽地方的聲音 |
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那這幾年極端氣候的影響之下我們台東位於這個海景第一排每一次颱風來就是首當其衝那造成這個農損損失非常的巨大像我們資料這邊看到的這兩年颱風造成台東的這個農損金額就高達12億 |
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那再加上災後復原重建的經費這個對於財力及次第五級的台東縣來說絕對是龐大的負擔這需要中央跟地方合作來解決我們北省的問題那接下來我想要請院長部長看一段影片 |
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路面滿是溪水已經看不到原本的道路這是位在泰馬里山金輪溪盤的部落聯絡道路由於連日降雨造成泰馬里山金輪溪暴漲溪水從堤防攻城 |
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這個是零七二八豪雨期間泰馬里鄉金輪溪那個溪水暴漲的這個潰堤的畫面那先前在本席的強力者爭取下成功讓丹利斯颱風以及七二八豪雨災後重建特別條例把台東縣也納入這個條文說明裡面確保我們台東不會被遺忘 |
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在這邊我也要感謝經濟部這兩年跟本社跟台南管政府持續的爭取下成功爭取到中央核定10億的傾訴還有災後復建的經費包括去年山頭河颱風河川淤積的緊急輸進工程還有今年丹利斯颱風以及0728豪雨的災後重建經費 |
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想請院長簡單的回應這部分是不是可以督促我們經濟部還有相關單位如時如期的來執行全力的協助地方災後復原及重建請院長回應如果他已經是在特別預算特別的範圍當中我們當然希望盡快的速度能夠讓地方 |
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在災區的民眾能夠恢復正常包括耕作 包括生活尤其是農作的部分謝謝院長現在還有一個影響台東鄉親的一個很大的問題就是我們台東的鳳梅沙每年大概秋冬強勁的東北季風都會刮起沙塵影響我們居民的生活品質還有行車的安全台東縣從我們前縣長黃建勤時期就跟水利署來共同合作用水覆蓋的工法有效的改善鳳梅沙的問題 |
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那水利署跟台東縣政府這每年也都有進行改善工程但是因為這幾年連續的颱風跟豪大雨也造成相關的設施都被重回很多地方像縱埠地區台東市民眾都在抱怨所以這邊我要請院長跟部長再看這個影片 |
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一波波風沙席捲而來將整片碑南溪河闖染的灰濛濛大量細沙隨風飄散往鄰近部落跟社區吹去受到東北季風增強議長 部長很像在拍電影喔好像拍電影喔黃沙滾滾居民苦不堪言 |
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我們不只是吃飯 吐水連穿開都有水啦這個如果對呼吸道比較脆弱的年長者或是小孩的影響更大所以曾本席要求經濟部必須在十二月中以前完成抑制風飛沙的這個改善工程以確保接下來我們冬天這個東北季風風飛沙對台東居民的影響能夠降到最低如果說地方有 |
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經費需要追加的需求也務必全力來協助 請部長回去是不是可以立即來交辦來處理 請部長回應可以 可以 我們立即來交辦感謝 感謝博定 那真的很辛苦 |
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還有雲林可能也會有我們會一併來趕快處理謝謝部長接下來我們再討論有關於電感地下化的議題本席要跟卓院長來請教今年8月我們院長到台東勘差的時候有提到丹利斯颱風造成全國100多萬戶停電0728的豪雨也造成5萬多戶的停電楊柳颱風也造成30多萬戶停電 |
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政府必須要解決颱風造成停電的問題電纜地下化就是關鍵吧這個不但可以減輕許多災後復原還有減輕我們重建的負擔院長當天也有提到說會要求經濟部跟台電啟動全國電纜地下化的評估像是台東就是優先的地區之一我想要請教院長目前評估的工作如何請院長回答 |
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台電已經啟動這樣的一個全國性的分析針對包括地層下限易淹水地區或是地質脆弱地區排除在外之外對那個迎風面特別強的幾個我是記得有幾個路線他們已經展開第一期的這個設計跟籌劃的工作是不是請部長能夠再說明是 因為我們這一次的特別預算大概有編了80億來做這樣的事情 |
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當然81要實施到全台灣當然是不夠的我們後續會陸續來編針對81的部分我們就像剛才院長提到的我們針對一些比較合適的而且急迫性的區域我們就優先來實施先這樣來做一些處理 |
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這個非常重要 是不是兩個禮拜內可以提供本席份可以啦 兩個禮拜提供本席份台東區域電纜地下化的規劃跟報告我們這個選擇出來會跟地方政府或是跟委員討論一下那個地方是不是優先來實施感謝博定 感謝那再來我們討論這個有關於水菌改善的問題這個邀請農業部部長 |
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那個剛剛我們有提到關於災後重建的這個預算包括核酸的傾輸還有水利設施的費用還有一個重點就是農水路的灌溉到現在還沒有解決每年只要好大雨台中幾個重要的幾個水郡像是關山池上鹿野跟北南的土體他就可能因為被好雨沖 |
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重回 走向水沒辦法飲沒有辦法飲水影響農業的灌溉今年的丹利寺颱風跟0728豪雨又再次發生同樣的問題造成台東縣這次二期稻作的插秧時間整個往後延嚴重影響稻農的生計保證很多農民都在歡迎發生這種事情 |
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就是因為我們現在的感覺就是用現有的土地去擋水嘛它只要遇到豪雨它就整個土地被沖垮所以民眾就說水這麼多 溪這麼多我就看它在用不著啊所以農民都會問說到底什麼時候才可以根本的改善農業部到底有沒有方法來解決本省也要具體要求農業部要立即的來研議關山 |
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池上 鹿野 北南的水峻改善計畫並優先的編列經費來進行改善守護我們台東地區的農民生計請保重來回應 |
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我跟委員報告今年我大概去台東三四街特別在關山這邊的部分所以我們有一個計畫就是系統性的去解決台東地區的一個進入的一個灌溉水從溪中然後拉到上面去做這個蓄水池然後再放下來所以我們現在已經有一個完整的規劃我們希望說透過這樣的一個方式能夠讓我們的水是最有效的利用 |
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好 謝謝部長部長這個是不是在一個月內也可以提供資料給本席辦公室好 我們會後我想我請農水組來提供感謝博定那我們提到的風災就是要提到根據這個災害救助的部分 |
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那因為這幾年隨著極端氣候的影響天災頻率越來越高光是這兩年我們剛才看到的風災對台湯澤行的榮順就高達12億 12億元那我們現行的這個救助法規的規定卻趕不上天災的頻率跟受災害的程度像今年的寒海很多農民他已經申請過天然災害補助沒有想到今年夏天颱風又來 好雨又來那他這樣子就沒有辦法再申請嘛那問題是 |
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每次的災害他可能都會造成農民血本無歸還有另外一個狀況就是說現行的這個天然災害救助是用救助金是用成本的20%去計算但是災情他可能會造成農作全毀而且還需要復原的成本所以你20%的救助金根本是沒救的嘛這沒辦法去補充我們農民的基本的生活那今年8月份的時候左院長在立法院備詢的時候其實有承諾說要提高我們 |
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天然災害救助金的上限會請農業部盡快的來規劃目前已經過了三個月了我想請教院長目前規劃的進度是如何 |
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我先跟委員報告就是有關天然災害本身的一個救助的整個制度的改變我們現在已經在規劃了但是我們過往都是每半年調整一次所以預計會在年底之前會做一個調整然後第二年開始實施因為已經發生的東西你去調整的時候那會造成很多的混亂 |
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就是現在已經三個月了那規劃大概是我們現在規劃差不多因為不只是世嘉包括特別是西部的非常多的這些作物我們同步在做檢討檢討完了以後我們在年底的時候就會公告新的一個辦法我們是不是可以將你們目前已經規劃的資料也跟北西方這邊聯繫一下 |
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很抱歉的 我想我們在整個完成的時候我們才會對外公告在這個之前也不方便我們可以跟委員討論就沒問題OK好 部長你知道本席的意思其實你們都很了解每年都是遇到一樣的情況我知道我們對香蕉我都希望它那個安全性 |
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我們那個已經有補助了那個桿子我覺得要加強上次院長在台東的時候對鳳梨思佳的資助那個都有做補助本席有兩點建議 |
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第一個就是說我們要放寬現行天然災害救助上限的規定我們得以因應極端的氣候專案認定重災區的天然災害的救助次數的上限我們把它放寬來幫助農民渡過難關第二個就是我們要因應物價還有產業成本的上漲調高天然災害的救助金額來保障農民的基本的生計然後這邊也請院長來承諾也責成我們農業部在兩週內趕快把一份報告給本席辦公室 |
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我是不是可以跟委員說明您這兩個元的就是我們在做這個天然災害救助的辦法的一個調整但是我剛才說了天然災害辦法的調整我們大概會在年底之前大概12月初我們就會公告然後不要說兩個禮拜就給你因為我們包括了所有的作物要一起時間差不多現在在兩個禮拜差不多部長這部分再請跟辦公室這邊聯繫 |
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那最後一個就是要來為台東的私家農請命就是去年中國大陸也取消了台灣私家零關稅的這個政策那我覺得這個一定會影響到台東整個私家的這個銷售量那加上今年石器可能會大出因為照這個情況沒有風災的情況下十二月份到一月初會有私家會大出藉此這些農民的薪水該怎麼辦雖然台東縣很積極的在推廣這個通路但是關稅的問題 |
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你要怎麼樣解決世嘉的穩定產量要怎麼維護你要怎麼輔導農民讓他能夠有轉做的方式我想中央必須要有更多的作為因為時間的關係我想這部分也請農業部將你們將討論的結果來跟本席這邊來報告 |
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謝謝黃建斌委員質詢麻煩請行政院將黃建斌委員索取的資料送到研究室好嗎好 謝謝 |
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接下來登記第17位高金素美委員之質詢改書面請行政院書面答覆我們並列入紀錄刊登公報在接下來本日最後一位質詢委員我們請賴慧瑋委員請質詢謝謝主席有請那個院長還有農業部部長再請卓院長農業部長備詢 |
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艾委員好是 院長院長 非常感謝10月28號宣布就是在丹納斯颱風 |
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就是所有的這個災民加碼兩萬塊的一個決定這個對台南鄉親來講是及時宜比這個一萬塊那個就是普發現金的一萬塊對我們來講更有效可是在這裡要跟院長做一個探討就是說在台南市造冊的這些災民那我們造冊的大概有46801那這個煤盒就是屋頂 |
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修繕已經就是說透過我們中央的一個協助修繕完成了大概已經有1022那剩下的剩下的這些鄉親他可能存在的一些就是說年紀比較大的他不會上網的 |
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還有就是說在修繕的這段時間他非常的一個忙碌所以他沒有辦法去區公所登記的這些人有沒有機會就是說可以協助這個讓他們這個兩萬塊讓他們是在這個造冊的名單裡面謝謝文官心這個方式的對象 |
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是對於那些自行修繕者他如果當時已經經過政府跟他們的媒合有幫他修繕了或者是經過這些社會的一些公益團體有去任養的或是像政府已經全額幫他完成修繕了這個要先排除在外因為我們已經進到了幫他總整家園那其他自己修繕了也許他已經修繕也許他沒有修繕我們認為在這個時候也因為 |
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社會各界的善款我們累積起來怎麼去處理還有應該把它盡快的把它善款發放所以我們有這樣的2萬塊對這些自行修善的受災的居民再給他多一點點的重整家園的補助 |
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所以院長我現在講說撇除這些人以外就是說還有其實還存在的一些就是災民這些人有沒有機會就是說他重新再到區公所登記然後我們也是補他兩萬塊 |
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剛剛講的那一段是因為他已經有登記在案了所以我們就直接入他的帳其他的部分到底是什麼樣態地方政府應該有一個整理到底是什麼樣態當初如果是面積比較小的地方政府也補了一部分後來我們也加了那還有些什麼樣但是當初沒有登記的這個我沒有辦法在這裡做了解委員可以提供我們可以進一步去了解跟地方政府來做整理 |
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那我把這個資料給院長那就是說我們希望就是說這一個補助這個補助就是我們希望不是說有人領到而已我們是希望所有受災的人都可以領到這個另外的這個兩萬塊那事後我把這個資料 |
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那個再給院長再來就是說也謝謝跟部長跟那個部長感謝這個在這一次的揮州豬瘟那個事實上就是說在整個重塑重塑這個15天的一個風土那事實上今天已經開始了就是這個屠宰那也恢復了這個拍賣那顯然今天的價錢看起來部長好像還不錯你有把它撐住了 |
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我剛剛還第一次看到委員最近以來的第一次面帶一點微笑面帶一點輕鬆的微笑我剛剛還謝謝部長的辛苦事實上我們也非常非常的害怕我跟委員報告就是到了4點半左右的時候現在整個租價最高到112然後有單資的到118、120那不要講那大概平均大概將近101左右 |
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在雲林它到了112可是在我們台南其實才90幾塊95、96可是普通現在最大的一個困難要跟你們探討的就是說你補助已經上來了顯然一隻豬它其實成本要7千塊這7千塊的時候你一隻補助 |
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一個是三百塊一個八百一十塊有吃飯跟吃飼料這個是有一個差異性這個補助遠遠是不足的那你看我要跟委員報告我們是補助他這個十五天的他不能他置留在豬場不能上市的這十五天的飼料的一個費用 |
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當然 你看嘛 他一個 他吃了一斤的飼料要18塊嘛所以你一隻豬 每天就要多吃了500塊錢沒有啦 沒有那麼多啦有啦 我跟你講喔沒有關係 我們會後再來討論我們會後再來討論一隻豬 現在市價這樣 要跟議長報告一隻豬 都市價差了84公斤 85公斤好 |
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15天我們現在要來探討的就是說補助這另外一個議題我們再討論那當然大家共體時間那問題就是說這個我們看到了農業部徐牧師提出來的一個資料就是從今天開始到明年的3月你每天要給台2千架差不多3千3千左右3千你要去化這39萬頭豬 |
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你有沒有想到這些問題所以說這是豬籠比較擔心的我們現在滯留總共39萬隻35到39萬隻那我們現在正在統計我如果在非常短的時間是進不到市場的那進到市場的時候因為第一個屠宰量的問題每天的屠宰量我們必須考慮 |
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第二個每天的拍賣量我們要考慮那第三個部分就是說當量太多的時候那個價格是撐不住的所以我們現在就是有一個有次序的一個把毛豬上市經過登記的方式我跟你講 部長你已經講到了這一個問題了萬一豬價崩盤的話如果你用這樣的一個消化方式的話其實是我們是擔心的 |
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你要殺豬 有這個豬 這個是冷凍豬的話有沒有地方放 當然是有地方放你不管是台塘還是各大的一個畜牧冷凍場我跟委員報告 就是說我們有一部分的豬是直接拉到屠宰場不經過批發的那過去是15% 我們會做一個調整 |
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我們要維持批發價的部分如果價格低到某個程度的時候我們會請冷凍這些廠商進來拉租所以我們會去撐住一些基本的價格價錢低到什麼樣的程度你會出來復盤你今天有沒有復盤我們現在沒辦法說這個 |
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沒有 你一定要給我們一個底線大概在哪裡嗎就像說你會告訴我說我維持在90塊還是95塊左右還是95塊以下你總是要讓大家有一個心理準備我現在沒辦法講這個因為我們在做價格的監控的部分你現在沒有辦法講私底下可以不可以讓我知道也沒辦法 |
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也沒辦法那這樣子的話我們全部的一個計畫都是在沒有辦法掌控當中那萬一我們的租價崩盤的話怎麼辦呢這是憑國企方法我跟威安報告我跟威安報告我們每一天全國的國內有20個20個肉品市場 |
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那個拍賣價我們一直在監控那如果說有適當的相關的這些不正常的下跌的時候你要想想到39萬頭豬他這個你不殺他的話他會越吃越大這大隻的有兩種介紹 |
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有報告委員 農業部未來幾個月他都有依靠標準的去化量顯然就是現在就是在跟你探討這個去化量其實是被養豬協會存疑的 我們擔心的院長我是收醫師 所以我對這一個 |
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領域裡頭我多多少少有一些了解所以我擔心這39萬頭豬你用五個月來去化的話我跟你講這個市場會亂掉我跟委員報告我們這樣一個操作的方式是跟所有的養豬協會這邊來討論然後我們也跟冷凍工會來討論我們也跟肉品市場來討論每個禮拜都有一個供銷的調度會議 |
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所以會隨時調整嗎對 這個一定是滾動調整的我想這個滾動的調整可是我還是希望就是說這個租價可以維持在110 120因為你租期越大你不知道要怎麼樣你知道嗎這個是一個很嚴重的問題 |
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在這次的災情我們看到另外一個問題就是說以我們台南來講的話我有60萬頭豬可是顯然就是說這種豬舍過於老舊開放式的豬舍太多了比例太多了所以就是說在這裡要跟院長跟部長拜託是不是有辦法啟動就是2021年開始你們有提出了一個 |
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計劃47億的一個水聯市互壓水聯市的這個計劃有辦法這個其實是做得很好了是不是再重新啟動我們也持續一直在輔導我們的養豬社去改進水聯市的這個部分 |
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那這個我想我們的計畫在未來幾年我們都會持續讓它做一個更精進趁著這個重大的一個這個非洲豬瘟其實非洲豬瘟如果不是廚藝的養豬的話其實很難會去發生非洲豬瘟我想這個部長你來行你很了解那我們是不是要趁著這一個時候就是說我們把這一個廚藝的養豬做一個什麼樣的一個精進 |
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我跟你們報告 廚餘養豬的部分我們有短中長期的規劃短期之內要恢復的時候我們有一些前提包括這些監控的設備一定要及時而不是用上傳照片的中長期的部分我們就會考慮整體國內的這些廚餘怎麼樣再利用達到一個環境也比較穩定的情況所以短中長期我想我們隨時再滾動跟環境部再一起檢討 |
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我想再一次就是說從這一次回收豬瘟到底這個豬瘟的病毒它是從哪邊來是境外的一個感染還是包裹還是移工現在我們顯然你們沒有給我們答案這個是我們一直迫切需要答案的那我也希望就是說 |
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可以因為台中市每一天每一天他給的這個記者會那還是說他所有的一個新聞稿我們看不到這一個答案所以我想在這裡也提醒部長還有就是在未來未來就是說第二次萬一有破口的話第二次我們怎麼樣去維持處理這個也是大家擔心的這次這個案例場跟關聯場的關係連結起來我們清楚的看到 |
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問題出在這個處於該徵組未徵組該查核未查核 該監控未查核所以一定要短期間內如果要有條件的恢復的話 |
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這個設備監控跟法規加嚴處罰這一定要完備再來我們現在內部就這個案例場已經控制在單一的案例場上面但是我們還要加強的是不會再有從邊境進來的所以明天我們會去看邊境的管理我希望從內而外把它再做安全的檢查一次只有更趨嚴絕對不會放鬆 |
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院長 我想這個整個養豬產業是關係到全台灣這個周邊的一個產業的兩千多億如果你還要讓廚藝這八趴的廚藝繼續就是說讓它變成是一個養豬的養豬每天達到三個條件而且地方政府要努力它才能夠維持但這幾天的豬的去化會變成一個環境部很大的課程 |
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