| IVOD_ID |
17013 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17013 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-06 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-06T08:30:45+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-06T10:41:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
02:10:15 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/16eb79f0bb3b77db130bdd2cddfd43855e5a7d9476abbdb383051bafb051454b4832f54798e0df2d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-06T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查：
（一）本院委員楊瓊瓔等21人擬具「公司法第二百三十五條之一條文修正草案」案。
（二）本院委員許宇甄等17人擬具「公司法第三百八十七條條文修正草案」案。
（三）本院委員吳秉叡等21人擬具「公司法第二百二十二條條文修正草案」案。
（四）本院委員鄭正鈐等16人擬具「公司法第一百六十條條文修正草案」案。
（五）本院委員楊瓊瓔等17人擬具「公司法第三百八十七條條文修正草案」案。
（六）本院委員謝衣鳯等16人擬具「公司法第三百八十七條條文修正草案」案。
（七）本院委員黃建賓等17人擬具「公司法第二百三十五條之一條文修正草案」案。
（八）本院委員林岱樺等16人擬具「公司法第三百八十七條條文修正草案」案。
（九）本院委員張嘉郡等18人擬具「公司法第三百八十七條條文修正草案」案。
（十）本院委員何欣純等16人擬具「公司法第三百八十七條條文修正草案」案。
（十一）本院委員郭國文等16人擬具「公司法第一百六十五條條文修正草案」案。
（十二）本院委員牛煦庭等17人擬具「公司法第三百八十七條之一及第四百四十九條條文修正草案」案。
二、審查：
（一） 本院委員牛煦庭等16人擬具「商業登記法第九條之一及第三十七條條文修正草案」案。
三、審查：
（一）本院委員賴瑞隆等17人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
（二）本院委員楊瓊瓔等21人擬具「能源管理法第七條條文修正草案」案。
（三）本院委員蔡其昌等19人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
（四）本院委員鍾佳濱等20人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
（五）本院委員邱議瑩等17人擬具「能源管理法增訂第十九條之二及第二十七條之一條文草案」案。
以上全案於11月5日(星期三)進行合併詢答，11月6日(星期四)處理。【11月5日及6日二天一次會】） |
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好 我們現在繼續開會進行討論事項 請一併宣讀 |
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1820.06 |
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等六案 三 本院委員吳秉瑞等21人拟據公司法第222條條文修正查案四 本院委員鄭振銓等16人拟據公司法第160條條文修正查案五 本院委員郭國文等16人拟據公司法第165條條文修正查案六 本院委員牛許廷等17人拟據公司法第387條之一及第449條條文修正查案 |
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2審查本院委員牛許晴等16人拟據商業登記法第9條之一及第37條條文修正查案3審查1本院委員賴銳龍等17人委員蔡吉昌等19人及委員鍾嘉斌等20人分別拟據能源管理法部分條文修正查案2本院委員楊瓊瑩等21人拟據能源管理法第7條條文修正查案3本院委員邱益穎等17人拟據能源管理法增訂第19條之二及第27條之一 |
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1873.02 |
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好 我們首先來介紹在場的委員以及列席的官員經濟部常務次長賴建信長次我們商業署蘇文林署長中油公司羅副總經理以及台灣電力公司郭處長司法院民政廳毛法官 |
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1902.506 |
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1931.145 |
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以及金管會主任秘書黃仲豪主任秘書勞動部平等司副司長王金榮王副司長行政院主計總處綜合計畫處的林檢任視察雅文以及財政部負稅署專門委員林保全 謝謝內政部消防署預防調查組專門委員郭懷莊 謝謝以及交通部 |
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1931.986 |
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公共運輸及監理師王簡任記政 謝謝環境部大氣環境師專務委員謝仁碩 謝謝以及法務部參事廖江縣參事 謝謝 |
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1949.656 |
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1977.395 |
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好我們請議事人員先讀所有的條文若有修正動議及附帶決議請一併宣讀那宣讀完畢後再進行協商請宣讀委員鄭振淺等16人提案公司法第160條第一項修正為股份為數人共有者應以共有人過半數及其應有部分合計過半數之同意推定一人行使股東之權利但其應有部分合計逾三分之二者其人數不予計算 |
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1978.095 |
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1995.824 |
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增訂第二項及第三項前項規定於共同公有準用之第一項推定之人得為共有人全體利益行使一切股東權利但共有人先以書面通知公私保留權利者不在此縣第四項同縣刑條文第二項 |
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1996.624 |
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委員郭國文等16人提案第165條第一項同線型條文第二項前段修正為前項股東民部記載之變更與股東常會開會前20日內股東臨時會開會前10日內其餘同線型條文第三項後段修正為與股東常會開會前20日內股東臨時會開會前10日內不得為之其餘同線型條文第四項同線型條文 |
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2025.1 |
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委員吳秉瑞等21人提案第222條第一項同現行條文增訂第二項違反第一項規定 經主管機關限期通知改正 藉其未改正者公司與監察人各處新臺幣2萬元以上10萬元以下罰還 經在限期通知改正 能為改正者按次各處新臺幣4萬元以上20萬元以下罰還 致改正為止委員楊瓊英等21人提案第235條之一 |
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2053.852 |
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2079.706 |
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第一項同線型條文 增訂第二項前項公司章程定名因分派員工酬勞之當年度獲利狀況之定額或比率不得低於同業平均加薪比率線型條文第二項至第五項一列為第三項至第六項其中第四項首具修正為前三項員工酬勞以股票或現金為之第六項中項次修正為章程得定名依第一項至第四項 |
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2080.686 |
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2101.873 |
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其餘同線型條文 委員黃建斌等17人提案第235條之一 第一項同線型條文增訂第二項前項將成定名分派員工酬勞之當年獲利狀況之定額或比率之調整不得低於最低工資法第9條消費者物價指數年增率擬定調整幅度 |
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2103.3 |
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現行條文第二項至第五項一列為第三項至第六項其中第三項莫具修正為不適用第一項之規定第四項所具修正為前三項員工酬勞以股票或現金為之其餘同現行條文委員楊瓊英等17人提案第387條除第三項修正為前二項之申請 |
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2124.212 |
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2142.626 |
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得委任代理人以會計師律師記帳室為限其餘同線型條文委員徐宇珍等17人委員謝一鳳等16人委員張家俊等18人分別提案第387條同委員楊瓊英等人提案委員林黛樺等16人提案第387條 |
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2144.688 |
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2165.015 |
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除第三項修正為前二項之申請得委任代理人代理人以會計師律師記帳室記帳及報稅代理人為限但依法應簽證或另有其他法令規定應由會計師律師辦理之相關事項依其規定辦理其餘同現行條文 |
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2166.363 |
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2189.118 |
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委員何欣淳等16人提案第387條除第三項修正為前二項之申請得委任代理人代理人以會計師律師為限但公司登記之資本額未達新台幣3000萬元者前二項之申請代理人除會計師律師外亦得委任記帳是記帳及報稅代理人其餘同現行條文 |
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2190.253 |
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2202.789 |
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委員劉許廷等17人提案第387條之一公司於申請設立登記前應參加中央主管機關或其委託非營利組織辦理之勞動權益講習並於申請設立登記時檢附已參加講習之證明文件 |
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2208.922 |
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2236.117 |
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前項講習之對象內容實施方式受委託辦理之資格條件及其他應遵行事項之辦法由中央主管機關會同中央勞動主管機關定之委員劉許廷等17人提案第449條除後段文字修正為及缺年缺月缺日修正公佈之條文自公佈後6個月施行外自公佈日施行其餘同現行條文 |
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2237.836 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
2264.513 |
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修正動議第一案公司法第235條之一增訂第二項前項之定額或比率及其他應遵循之事項由中央主管機關會商勞動部定之現行條文第二項至第五項一列為第三項至第六項其中第四項首具修正為第一項及前項員工酬勞以股票或現金為之 |
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2265.533 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
2292.124 |
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第六項中 項次修正為張誠得定名依第一項至第四項其餘同現行條文提案人張啟凱 鄭天才 鄭振前附帶決議第一案案由本次修正公司法第235條之一系針對基層員工之家新條款有鑒於114年10月30日行政院院會通過跨國勞動力精進方案提出規劃作法 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
2294.565 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
2324.065 |
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制造业旅宿及商港码头业本国劳工加薪新台币2000元时可增加一位移工名额前开政策机制需有完备之法制作业并在其内容规定减和机制方可落实又此种做法法令全责执行机制由何种行政机关负责是否会涉及公司治理加薪条款相关法令尚有待厘清 |
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2324.585 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
2347.407 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
原請勞動部與經濟部其他有需要之目的事業主管機關等聯繫協調完備必要之法製作業及訂定法令於一個月內向立法院經濟委員會提出書面報告提案人張祺凱 鄭天才 鄭振前委員牛許廷等16人提案商業登記法第九條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
2348.863 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
2374.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
商业于申请设立登记前应参加中央主管机关或其委托非盈利组织办理之劳动权益讲习并于申请设立登记时减负已参加讲习之证明文件前项讲习之对象内容实施方式受委托办理之资格条件及其他应遵循事项之办法由中央主管机关会同中劳动主管机关定之 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
2375.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
2398.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
第37條除後段修正為及全年全月全日修正公布之條文自公布後6個月施行外自公布日施行其餘同線型條文能源管理法部分條文修正草案委員蔡祺昌等19人提案第二條第一項序文如左修正為如下第六款修正文再申能源 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
2399.434 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
2426.286 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
第七款热能第八款其他金庄主管机关指定为能源者增订第二项前项能源有其法律特别规定者从其规定其余同现行条文委员钟嘉斌等二十人提案第二条第一项序文如左修正为如下第一款修正为一再生能源现行条文第一款至第五款一列为第二款至第六款第七款热能第八 |
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| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
2437.522 |
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第八款其他經中央主管機關指定為能源者增訂第二項前項能源有能源相關法律特別規定者從其規定其餘同現行條文 |
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2438.257 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
2462.004 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
委員蔡奇昌等19人提案第三條之一中央主管機關應協助公務機關公有營業機關公有事業機關訂定節約能源目標及執行計畫委員蔡奇昌等19人提案第五條第二項序文如左修正為如下其餘同線型條文委員鍾嘉斌等20人提案第五條同委員蔡奇昌等提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
2463.322 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
2484.421 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
委員蔡其昌等19人提案第6條除第3項修正為前項金鐘主管機關指定之能源產品其輸入輸出生產銷售業務之經營許可申請變更撤銷與廢止程序設施設置條件及其他經營管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
2485.026 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2505.071 |
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事項之辦法由中央主管機關定之增訂第四項前項辦法所定之事項於必要時中央主管機關得委由直轄市縣市主管機關辦理之其餘同縣刑條文委員鍾嘉斌等二十人提案第六條第一項至第三項同委員蔡祺昌等人提案 |
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2505.791 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
2524.284 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
增訂第四項中央主管機關於必要時得將前項辦法鎖定之事項委辦直轄市縣市主管機關辦理委員賴瑞榮等17人提案第六條之一能源供應事業應配合主管機關強化能源管理及合理有效使用需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
2525.265 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
2544.191 |
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提供能源用戶之能源使用資料前項能源供應事業能源用戶範圍使用能源資料之指定由中央主管機關公告之主管機關取得第一項資料應依相關法令維護個人資料或營業秘密之安全委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
2544.833 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
2566.001 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
蔡奇昌等19人提案第6條之一能源供應事業應配合主管機關為強化能源管理促進能源合理及有效使用之需要公開能源銷售統計資料其保有處理及利用應遵循個人資料保護法及相關法令之規定前項能源銷售統計資料之 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
2567.701 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
2596.942 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
总内范围期间公开方式及公开时间由中央主管机关公告之委员钟嘉斌等20人提案第6条之一同委员蔡奇昌等人提案委员赖瑞龙等17人提案第7条第一项序文中左列修正为下列其余同现行条文委员杨琼英等21人提案第7条第一项序文中左列修正为下列第二款修正为设置能源储存能设备 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
2597.972 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
2614.319 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
其餘同線型條文委員蔡奇昌等19人提案第7條第一項序文中左列修正為下列並刪除線型條文第二項其餘同線型條文委員鍾嘉斌等20人提案第7條同委員賴瑞榮等人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
2615.049 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2633.721 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
委員賴瑞榮等17人提案第7條之一能源供應事業以火力發電者應依照中央主管機關之規定申報機組資料及排放報告前項運轉應包含機組位置、類型、發電量、熱效率、熱耗率 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
2634.682 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2660.672 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
燃料消耗率容量因素燃料種類燃料產地及燃料品質檢測報告第一項之排放報告應包含粒狀污染物硫氧化物氮氧化物委員蔡祺昌等19人提案第9條除墨具修正為報經中央主管機關核定並執行之其餘同線型條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
2661.618 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2683.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
委員鍾嘉斌等20人提案第9條同委員蔡奇昌等人提案委員賴瑞榮等17人提案第10條之一能源用戶裝設氣電共生設備及能源供應業務達中央主管機關規定之數量者因依第7條之一規定申報機組資料及排放報告委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
2684.099 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2700.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
蔡奇昌等19人提案第18條刪除委員鍾嘉斌等20人提案第18條刪除委員蔡奇昌等19人提案第19條之一除第一項修正為主管機關得派員或委託經中央主管機關認可之專業機構或技師 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
2703.163 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2728.714 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
對於第8條第9條第11條第12條第14條及第15條所定之能源用戶使用能源設備器具或車輛之製造進口廠商或販賣業者實施檢查或命其提供有關資料能源用戶製造進口廠商及販賣業者不得規避妨礙拒絕或提供不實資料其餘同線型條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
2730.339 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2751.507 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
委員中嘉賓等二十人提案第十九條之一除第一項手續修正為中央主管機關得派員或委託經中央主管機關認可之專業機構或技師莫具修正為能源用戶製造進口廠商及販賣業者不得規避妨礙拒絕或提供不實資料其餘通現行條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
2752.347 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2776.612 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
委員邱毅英等17人提案第19條之二任何人不得故意散播影響國家能源供應國家能源基礎設施之不實謠言或假訊息委員蔡奇昌等19人提案第20條能源供應事業違反中央主管機關1第6條第一項所為之規定者主管機關因令其限期改善藉其未改善者 |
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2777.412 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2801.753 |
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處新臺幣15萬元以上75萬元以下罰還並再令限其改善藉其能為改善者按次處罰並得停止其營業或勒令歇業經主管機關再次處罰能為改善者對其負責人處一年以下有期徒刑拘役或科或併科新臺幣30萬元以下罰金委員中嘉賓等20人提案第20條 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
2803.427 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2830.116 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
能源供應事業違反中央主管機關一第六條第一項所為之規定者主管機關因令其限期改善借其不改善者處新台幣15萬元以上75萬元以下罰還並再令其限期改善借其能不改善者除按次加倍處罰外並得停止其營業或熱令歇業經主管機關再次加倍處罰能不改善者 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
2830.795 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2851.157 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
對其負責人處一年以下有期徒刑拘役或科或併科新台幣30萬元以下罰金委員蔡奇昌等19人提案第20條之一第一項莫具修正為處新台幣100萬元以上500萬元以下罰還增訂第二項至第四項前項情勢至身公共危險者 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
2852.409 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2867.167 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
处三年以下有期徒刑拘役或科或病科新台币一百万元以上五百万元以下罚金法人之负责人代理人受雇人或其他从业人员因执行职务犯前项之罪者 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
2867.868 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
2888.373 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
除处罚该行为人外对该法人亦可以前向罚金经营中央主管机关指定之能源产品之输入输出生产销售业务违反第六条第三项锁定办法中有关检查品质公共意外责任线资料申报及保存事故通报平面配置变更 |
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2889.589 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
2916.009 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
暫停及終止營業申請事項及其他應遵行事項之規定者處新台幣15萬元以上75萬元以下罰還並得令其限期改善藉其未改善者得按次處罰情節重大者並得令其停止營業三個月廢止經營許可或勒令歇業其餘同現行條文委員中嘉賓等20人提案第20條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
2917.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
2938.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
除第二项修正为有前项情事自身公共危险者处三年以下有期徒刑拘役或科或病科新台币六十万元以上三百万元以下罚金第三项末具修正为对该法人亦可以前项之罚金第四项末段修正为并令其限期改善借其不改善者 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
2939.022 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
2967.877 |
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案次加倍處罰情節重大者並得令其停止營業三個月廢止經營許可或勒令歇業其餘同委員蔡其昌等人提案委員中嘉賓等二十人提案第20條之二衛一第五條之一第一項第一款及第二項規定與其縣內繳交基金者處新台幣15萬元以上75萬元以下罰還並令其限期繳納藉其未繳納案次加倍處罰 |
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2970.134 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
2997.005 |
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委員賴瑞榮等17人提案第21條第一項序文及第一款修正為有下列情形之一者主管機關應通知限期改善 借其不改善者處心台幣5萬元以上50萬元以下罰還並於機關網站公布該廠商業者能源用戶之名稱即在限期改善借其能不改善者按次加倍處罰依衛議第6條之一第一項規定提供能源用戶之 |
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2997.965 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
3014.379 |
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能源使用资料现行条文第一款一列为第二款第三款修正为位于第七条之一及第十条之一规定申报机组资料排放报告或申报不实现行条文第二款至第五款一列为第四款至第七款 |
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委員蔡奇昌等19人提案第21條第一項序文及第一款修正為有下列情形之一者主管機關應令其限期改善藉其未改善者處新台幣10萬元以上50萬元以下罰還並在令限期改善藉其人未改善者按次處罰依為依第6條之一第一項規定公開能源銷售統計資料或公開不實資料現行條文第一款一列為第二款 |
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第三款修正為違反第八條第一項關於能源使用及效率之規定現行條文第二款至第五款 以列為第四款至第七款 |
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增訂第二項有前項第六款第七款鎖定情形之一者除一規定處罰外並得公布該廠商業者之名稱及違法適用委員鍾嘉斌等二十人提案第二十一條除第一項序文修正為有下列情形之一者主管機關應令其限期改善借其不改善者處新台幣十萬元以上 |
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50萬元以下罰款並在令期限期改善 借期能不改善者按次加倍處罰 增訂第二項有前項鎖定情形者除依規定處罰外 並應公佈該廠商業者之名稱及違法事由其餘同委員蔡啟昌等提案 |
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委員蔡奇昌等19人提案第22條能源供應事業違反第7條第一項第二款第三款未設置能源儲存設備或儲存安全存量者主管機關應令其限期改善藉其未改善者處新台幣15萬元以上75萬元以下罰款並在令限期改善藉其能未改善者得按次處罰 |
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委員中嘉賓等20人提案第22條能源供應事業違反第7條第一項第二款或第三款規定為設置能源儲存設備或儲存安全存量者主管機關因另期限期改善借其不改善者處新台幣15萬元以上75萬元下罰還並在另期限期改善借其人不改善者按次加倍處罰 |
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委員蔡奇昌等19人提案第23條刪除委員鍾嘉斌等20人提案第23條刪除委員蔡奇昌等19人提案第24條第一項序文修正為 |
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有下列情形之一者主管機關因令其限期改善藉其不改善者處新台幣10萬元以上50萬元以下罰款並再令限期改善藉其人不改善者按次處罰第1款至第4款及第6款同現行條文第5款修正為違反第19條之一第一項規定規避妨礙或拒絕主管機關所為之檢查要求 |
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提供资料之命令或提供不实资料增订第二项有前项第三款锁定情形者除一规定处罚外并得公布该厂商业者之名称及违法事由委员中嘉宾等20人提案第24条除第一项除序文修正为有下列情形之一者主管机关应通知限其办理 |
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借其不改善者处新台币10万元以上50万元以下罚还并在另期限期改善借其能不改善者按次加倍处罚第二款于第一项规定后加逗号其余同委员蔡奇昌等提案增订第二项有前项锁定情形者处以规定处罚外并应公布该厂商业者之名称及违法事由 |
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委員邱盈穎等17人提案第27條之一違反第19條之二規定危害社會秩序引發公眾恐慌者處心台幣10萬元以上60萬元以下罰還委員蔡奇昌等19人提案第29條本法施行細則由中主管機關定之委員鍾嘉斌等20人提案第29條同委員蔡奇昌等提案修正動議第一案能源管理法 |
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第二條本法所稱能源如下1再生能源2天然氣3石油及其產品4煤炭及其產品5核子燃料6電能7熱能 |
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其他經中央主管機關指定為能源者前項能源有能源相關法律特別規定者從其規定第六條之一第一項及第二項同委員蔡祺昌等提案增訂第三項中央主管機關應設立能源資訊公開平台能源政策推動過程中所設置各目的事業主管機關 |
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应至少每一季于再生能源资讯公开平台中公布所涉及业务之完整资料平台完成设立前各目的事业主管机关应于各机关所属官网中揭露上述资料提案人张启凯郑天才郑正前宣读完毕 |
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好 謝謝 那我們現在謝謝議事組人員宣讀完畢我們現在協商討論四項第一案公司法部分條文修正草案我們總共有七個條文12個委員所的提案版本那我們現在開始討論我們先從公司法我們主條來討論公司法第160條開始討論先請經濟部來說明 |
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謝謝主席今天依照議程安排首先針對公司法第160條的這個條文委員的提案是表達有關於股權共同共有的部分希望去做一個修正但是在這邊跟各位委員做一個說明事實上我們國家 |
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公司的登记的部分当然也有公开发行公司也有小型的公司那大小的公司是不一样的那针对于公同共有的部分比如说以大型公司来讲事实上有一些的股权若是依照这样子的变更的话在法律的处理上面或是实务的处理上面我们跟相关的这个作业工会讨论是有操作上面的困难因为不确定 |
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大概所有的這個股權共同共有人他的意思是如何所以在作業的程序上面就有相當的這個困難除此之外的話第二點跟各位說明的是共同共有的部分他 |
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即便他擁有公司的股權我舉例來說他佔了公司的股權是10%好了他還有其他90%的一個股東的一個權利那或許在實務上面有時候這個10%的這個未確定數他可能會去影響其他90%人的這個意思所以在此經濟部建議依照現行的條文來進行好 我們也謝謝次長的說明 來 |
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好 |
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謝謝 沒錯那接下來剛剛第一位是陳靜芬委員然後接下來鄭振權委員這個主席來這邊宣布因為我們對於每一個條文我們都是非常的詳細討論那昨天也很慎重的跟部長等相關單位都已經這個詢打過那所以待會如果重複的部分我們就不再說 好不好這樣子我們可以更精進的去討論好 謝謝我們請陳靜芬委員 |
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謝謝昭偉因為我們看了經濟部對條文的一個態度修正的態度還有司法院我想我們因為有牽扯到法的位階包括股權的部分我覺得我們應該要更慎重 |
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因為我們沒有看到行政院相關單位的版本他們目前所有的資料都持反對意見而且是認為說應該有更多的配套所以我還是認為說在公司法的這個部分是不是應該先留在委員會我們繼續做比較深度的討論請我們司法院還有經濟部針對這個股權因為股權影響太大了 |
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而且他的資料是不是有予以透明而且更清楚保障到我們投資人的一個權利我覺得這個影響層面很廣所以我建議說我們是不是今天可以討論尊重所有提案委員的部分但是這個公司法還是暫時留在我們委員會裡面我們再做一個進一步的深度研究 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝陳庭輝委員我們現在在鄭振全委員發言之前我要特別說明因為每一位委員的提案都有所本我們也尊重每一位委員的提案那之所以我們希望要好好的相識來討論各自尊重行政院有提出行政部門的見解 |
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提案委員以及我們所有的委員提出我們自己的見解這樣才是一個充分討論好 我們就請鄭振選委員然後再來就是林大華委員 謝謝謝謝主席特別安排了這一次的一個修法的討論 |
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那昨天的時候 其實我們在質詢的時候 公部長他有其實把司法院推出來那我們其實看了司法院這邊所提出來的意見當中 他第一個是尊重主管機關這是第一個前提 第二個部分他認為這股東權利的部分分成 |
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公益權跟自益權的部分 那麼對於整個股東的一個行為的一個行使 行為的部分包括管理跟處分 這是兩個基本上的概念 那本席這是提出來狀態的時候很清楚的提到是我們要解決公益權的一個部分跟管理的部分 |
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所以我們才會提到民法820條的一個部分就是整個管理的一個部分我們要怎麼樣多數決的部分去解決這個很清楚我們提到是要解決管理的部分跟公益權的一個部分那至於說經濟部這邊提到一些小的案子比方說他提到說有牽涉到一些少數股東的自癒權的一個部分怎麼處理其實我們就很清楚的地方提到了這個部分是我們要處理公益權的一個管理的部分的一個處理 |
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那至於說他在裡面有提到說這是我們提出修法當中的時候有提到說第一項推定之人得為共有人全體利益行使一切股東權利他對一切股東權利這邊如果說他認為這字有任何的問題我覺得經濟部可以提出來修可是不能夠不處理因為事實上對整個台灣的一個中小企業或者是大企業其實大家只要有碰到了比方創辦人或者是大股東 |
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往生的時候他碰到遺產的問題如果說沒有一個全部的共識的時候那我們的公司就要在這邊停擺嗎這是不行的事情所以我覺得說我們現在經濟部應該要站起來要承擔這件事情那司法院提出來的意見當中他也不是說不修喔他是說我們只要在公益權跟資益權的部分 |
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把它給釐清楚然後在整個行之股東權利的行為當中的時候在管理跟處分之中把它給定義清楚那這就是可以的所以本席認為這個法必須要修那至於說文字這邊我們要怎麼去做或者是 |
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經濟部這邊要透過執法的部分或者管理辦法的部分或者是韓式的部分怎麼去把這邊把它給確定清楚我覺得這是經濟部要去承擔的部分可是我們不能夠不去處理這個問題就一直把它給懸在這個旁邊 |
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然後讓只要有碰到了遺產問題的家族企業他們就只能夠停擺因為我們處理公益權這個問題之後我們才能夠處理股東會的問題才能夠處理表決權監察權等等的一些問題否則如果這個問題都不處理的時候我覺得台灣很多中小企業接下來碰到的問題會解決不完像本宜這邊碰到幾個陳情的案子就是他們光是要解決企業遺產的問題處理了十幾年 |
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解決的時候才能夠解決這樣的企業問題那這樣子對嗎我覺得這不是經濟部碰到這樣的問題應該採取的一個態度我覺得應該要更積極來解決這個問題以上 謝謝 |
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謝謝 那稍等一下這個針對於第160條的這個部分因為我們今天條蠻多那我也會充分給委員發言但是是不是容許主席台這邊針對第160條我覺得這是一個非常善的一個循環討論那麼經濟部也提出論點委員也提出論點包括提案委員 |
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曾俊賢委員也提出也就是說以往的這個面向跟現在的面向情境是不一樣但是我聽曾俊賢委員的這個提案委員也就是說 |
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經濟部必須要去處理那至於他的不管條文怎麼修文字怎麼修或者是到方式包括司法院等那這些是不是請我們是不是請經濟部詳時去將剛剛您所說的這一些再充分去討論把文字可以弄出來 |
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那這個部分我們在賴任委員發表之後我們就來做160條的一個處理好 謝謝賴任委員好 謝謝主席這個政委員提的其實是多數決的問題但是看來經濟部有考量到的是包括一些的專家學者的討論是在於說他不容易去認定包括他的股權 股物的處理是會有一些困擾跟糾紛 |
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| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
3892.348 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
可不可以請經濟部有更具體的一些說明好不好就是怎麼樣的狀況下的認定上會有問題跟股權上的一些糾紛可不可以請經濟部更具體的說明一下好 我們請經濟部 |
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| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
那个次长我想公司法农你这边你就那个高价银拿过来你才不会这样没关系这个OK的谢谢委员指导的这个意见事实上针对于比如说是共同共有的部分因为比如说刚刚曾委员所举例的那个继承的部分那当然有时候要发挥很多的时间它共同共有 |
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不但是共同共有的意识表决或是原来的这个股份要去继承的这个部分有时候他真的我们在股物的处理上面不知道当事人的意识的表示是如何所以这个情况之下在所谓进行比如说是股东会的统计计算这个投票权或是决定权的话事实上会有一些的困难 |
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那这个在当然我们同意说刚刚政委员包括主席讲的这个意见因为是不是容我们经济部去把包括政委员所提到的那些那些案例我们把它盘出来之后 |
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我們再找相關的法務單位或是事務界一起來討論看看有沒有可以更前進的一個做法讓這個可能是僵局有可能打破的這個做法我請問一下次長的意思說法是說針對這些有問題的一些有爭議的個案找到看有沒有其他方法可解決而不是直接用這樣法上直接放進去是嗎這個當然有兩種可能 |
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一種可能是這樣一種可能是說在法上面如政委員所提到的看看是不是做如何適度的調和去做一個修正但是這個需要一定的一個過程在實務界 高高法律界一起來討論我認為這樣子是比較周延的好 那針對於第160條你也針對160條嘛那我們針對於第160條就最後請蔡議員發言我就來做處理 謝謝好 |
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我想鄭委員所提出這個160條主要是針對這一些共有的部分希望可以用多數決來取代過去可能要全體同意就是共識決但是這一個修法事實上就類似土地法 |
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我們在土地法上我們過去也有這樣的定義就類似鄭委員的他們就是用人數或者是他持有土地的權力的總數的一個計算所以土地法的精神事實上就跟鄭委員這個是一樣但是土地法中還有針對處分權跟所謂行使權他們會有權力的一個分開 |
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那在公私法這邊是會一樣嗎就是說在土地法裡面是處分權可能會變成處分權是多數決但是行使權是公私決這在土地法是這樣 |
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那未來我們公司法如果要把這樣的精神就是多數學精神放進來的話那是把處分跟刑死都一樣的權利嗎那還是會有權利的分開的不同的太陽我想這個部分經濟部可能要斟酌一下要問一下不然如果你現在定了然後未來在解釋法令的時候又說沒有這一條只限於處分它不限於刑死 |
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可能未来会有一些法令解释上会有一些错乱的状况好谢谢好谢谢那在于我们所有的委员提出宝贵意见跟行政部门也做充分沟通那针对于第160条共有股份之股东权行使我想委员之所以会提出来也就是社会现象有这个障碍所以政府也绝对有这个 |
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責任要怎麼樣去調和這樣的一個面向那所以經過充分討論我們部分還是有一些要必須跨部會去討論那基本上社會有這樣的現象要謝謝鄭正前委員提出那的確有這個現象也是人民的痛苦我們要怎麼樣去協助他 |
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但是一個法如果修正之後我們必須要有一個完整性的規劃所以是不是容許主席台做如此針對第160條的部分我們第一個請行政部門就剛剛所討論的各個委員所討論的因為這個都有錄音錄影 |
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所讨论的需求面跟社会现象如何解决请你们跨部会去拧出一套方法以及文字出来那我们这一个条文先暂保留等你们提出之后也请跟我们那个提案委员真正的委员好好去讨论跟沟通那拧出来之后我们另定期我们再来做处理是好 那主席来是 |
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謝主席做這樣一個財事可是我在想說可不可以請經濟部這邊給我們一個時間因為這個案子其實我們也推很長的時間可不可以請他們壓一個時間出來 |
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这个是容我们半年的时间来处理这个事情因为这个是非常重要的一个决定你们要顾啦你至少要在这个会期前你们提出方案出来因为你提出方案也不可能一触可击提出来之后再讨论你总是要先有一个方案 政委员 |
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同意嗎主席因為這是我們上個會議就提出來然後因為剛剛蔡議員他也提到的狀態跟我們的意見其實很類似因為我們覺得要往前走那是土地法對因為我們今天舉到土地法34條之一的一個案例所以我們這邊很清楚是要講說我們要處理的是公益權管理行為的部分所以我們這邊講得非常的清楚那如果說對我們修法的文字有意見我覺得可以調整我覺得本席接受可是我覺得必須要往前走 |
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不能夠因為一個小部分的一個案例當中的時候他就覺得全部都不要去動那這樣子會有問題那是不是容許剛剛行政部門是說半年當然我們委員不可能等這麼久因為你也不是你提出來然後就一定是可以完整的那我們希望你有一個方向原則出來 |
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那么我们再继续讨论那以原则各位同仁我们以原则行政部门以三个月的时间请行政部门提出你们所讨论的方案出来我们继续讨论好不好因为当时的土地法本席也参与过也就是当时的土地法也是跟民众的陈情雷同所以我们也是不断地在改变那同时在不管在这个处分权跟行使权的时候为什么会有这样的差别 |
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因為以前有很多的技術工業有的找不到的所以才會有處分權跟行使權的比例不一樣那這個我要給行政部門免利就是說因為社會面向產生什麼樣的困難民眾的困難就是政府要有這個責任來解決好那160條很感謝各位同仁以及行政部門我們就做如此的一個這個決議以三個月內三個月內請行政部門提出針對委員所提出的內容 |
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去做讨论方向出来我们继续讨论大家有没有意见没有就照主席台刚才所做的决议谢谢大家我们继续下来第165条行政部门请做说明有关于郭国文委员所的提案针对于过户的闭锁期这边跟委员会报告事实上在股东会的处理有相当多的程序 |
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包括召集的通知啊還有甚至是股務包括過戶的這個閉鎖期甚至是臨時股東的少數股東的提案權甚至是告知權那過分的這個線說事實上對於 |
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我剛剛所講的諸多的程序的話可能就沒有辦法去去match到比如說我們這個召集的通知在公開發行公司的話現行的規定是在30天之前臨時股東會是15天 |
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我們今天假設把過戶的閉鎖企業做一個調整把它限縮的話事實上對於相關的作業的處理是有困難的所以懇請大會去支持說依照現行的方式來處理以上 |
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好 各位同仁 针对行政部门所提因为提案委员不在现场虽然他不是经济委员会但是我仍旧非常尊重如果没有其他委员要发言我们这一条是不是也暂保留那因为提案委员不在现场那现在行政部门所说的30天郭委员是要改为20天临时的是15天改为10天那我想就暂保留我们也先不提出各位同仁 |
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好那我們先暫保留來我們繼續下來第222條現場人禁止的兼任問題 |
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有关于本条的修正在这边跟委员会报告事实上兼职他自始就违反了公司法的规定所以当有事情发生的时候这个就是一个不可逆而且是不可改正的如果是依照修正的建议的话按次来采访好像改正一个违法的决定 |
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這個在法例上面是有一點有一點矛盾的事情所以以上我們建議說維持現行的規定好 針對222條那行政部門的解釋是說一般來就不行所以就不用再去更正這個這個這個概念那各位同仁各位同仁那這個就不予修正吧維持現行條文 |
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維持現行條文好那這個222條就維持現行條文好來接下來235-1條員工酬勞分派的這個部分有關於本條文的這個修正委員是有提到說是不是在公司法進行修正然後要求公司的章程裡面明定這些的 |
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酬勞或是酬勞他必須要跟同業相比或是包括其他委員有提到跟物價的部分相比在這邊提出一點說明第一個酬勞跟薪資是不一樣的那公司法這邊是規定的是酬勞的一個事項那另外一個部分雖然說證交署證交法有相規定說公開發行公司他應該分派給 |
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基層員工那也是對象不一樣那我們今天假設在這個地方把它做一個修正的話其實對象不一樣適用的標的也是不一樣這是我要進行說明的另外一個部分是在實務處理上面我們的公司的型態非常多種 |
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那其實與同業比較這是一個不確定性的概念事實上也很難有相當的統計的數字來做一個評比那甚至我們這個立法我也提案委員的想法是好的但是我是定了一個很僵固的一個比例的話事實上它也不排除有更高的可能性 |
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讓這個基層員工可以照顧的這個可能那反而是鼓勵一些的資方用最低的這個標準來分派酬勞所以以上我們提出這幾個看法請主委委員予以指正好 有沒有委員要發言 |
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如果沒有本條那這個本人有提案那次長你剛才所說的跟本席的目標剛好背道而馳因為本席所提的是你的公司在分派酬勞的時候不得低於同業利潤標準 |
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不得低于所以你刚才的解释是说如果这样会遏制人家如果要分派多一点的酬劳反而是一个限缩所以你文字要看清楚是不得低于同业利润标准这是第一项第二个你认为说如果这样制定下去那不同类别 |
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就是因為不同類別所以你經濟部每一年都會有定一個這個同業利潤標準這是由你政府自己去制定的這不是民間自己去制定的所以我再次強調本席的提案是說你酬勞分配的時候不得低於同業利潤標準是這個樣子的所以跟剛剛你所解釋的剛好相反那其他委員沒有意見 |
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我們今天剛剛在宣讀的時候張祺凱委員他也是本委文匯的他有提一個修正動議已經成案也宣讀過我們就並案討論所以如果沒有其他的委員的意見第235條之一我請行政部門你們再去研議我願意給一點時間因為你的方向跟我所提案的你的回答剛好相反我們同樣的目的都是要照顧員工 |
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也鼓励老板你有好大家分融制度怎么样有一个调和完整性这样子对劳资双方会更好因为现在的经营模式甚至还有人都一个礼拜就分融一次也有这种形象那每一种的经营样态不一样 |
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當然是老闆決定員工去決定但是政府我認為對於繼承員工還是有這個責任要怎麼樣保障他你的政交法可以這麼做為什麼我們一般小型的不能做而且你是設一個低標你是設一個低標不是設一個讓他沒有辦法而且這個低標是政府所公告同業利潤標準是政府所公告那我想次長剛才所說我相信行政部門也 |
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也是以要照顾我们的员工不要吃亏那同时你点头这样就你应该可以同意我的提案了你怎么点头又解释不一样呢不是这个容我们依照主席的才智我们去检讨一下比较好的方式对啦所以以后我请行政部门你们要提出说明的时候法案要去看清楚你们要讲的跟你们的 |
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的目標方向是不一致的嘛好啦 那至少就235條之一我們的目標 |
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證交法裡面上市貴的是OK的是這麼做的那我們一般的應該也可以朝這個方向那至於細節的部分我容許再給多一點時間請這個行政部門你們再去研議清楚看是方法還是你的文字要怎麼樣去修正 好不好趕快去討論好好 那第235條之一我們討論到這裡我們繼續討論 好不好暫保留繼續討論來 |
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各位同仁 有沒有意見沒有 我們就照如此 謝謝來 我們現在討論第387條公司登記代理人的部分我們請行政部門說明 |
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好 謝謝有關於這一條的修正案事實上現行的這個實務記帳是已經可以送件了但是條文裡面大家討論的是說是不是代理的部分那代理的部分在這邊跟諸位委員報告無論是日本 美國跟新加坡所謂辦理這些的代理都有專門職業的人員來去行使這個部分 |
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那當然所謂的專門職業人員他必須要經過國家的考試有一定的科目所以我們認為說這樣子可以來保護這個教育的這個安全性跟穩定性那這個是必須要去兼顧的那另外的話當然其他的這個專門職業代理人他們工會也是有一些的不同的這些意見那是不是這個部分 |
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我覺得可以從他的這個資格上面或是他的這個資格條件或是他的專業能力的提升上面來討論這個事項 以上 |
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我非常遺憾經濟部竟然這樣的表達是對於目前公司代理登記的業務完全是不能掌握現況是什麼現況是這百分之八十幾的公司登記都是由記帳代理人記帳室在執行 |
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然後他們拿到業務之後只要做簽證的該去找會計師就搞會計師要去找律師的就去找律師所以其實是現在真的業務在接的叫做記賬室或者記賬室代理人這個是現況所以今天的法令的修訂把 |
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这个公司登记的代理人纳入记账室只不过是让现况把它作为法治化而已也让现况的记账室或者是其代理人能够再更有一个法规的依据来做监督他们那我要讲一个历史 |
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第二個當初記帳是要考這個現在目前的記帳是只考公司法的登記片那為什麼當時這個記帳是說這個要考這個整部的公司法的時候會計師他們是反對的他說法說因為你不是公司代理人 |
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所以我们反对记账是去考公司法的全部的法令可是他们现在是考公司法的登记片所以当初记现在你反过来说好你要你这个记账是你现在可以来我们是可以允许你来做这个作为代理人的我们允许但是我们门槛是你要考公司法 |
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證券法所以我現在回顧當時的歷史記帳室是願意來做公司法整部考試的這樣的一個要求的當初是會計師是不願意理由是因為你不是公司代理人本來記帳室就不是公司代理人他們要爭取的也不過是公司登記代理人我講這一段歷史 |
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再来记账师这个 |
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這個本席也同意我非常同意經濟部你的要求要考公司法證券法此法通過之後即刻執行法令的這個調整科目如果今年20我是不曉得今年2025年是考過了沒如果沒有就是2026年加考公司法全部證交法全部 |
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馬上就下去考不過的認賭服輸嘛你考不過了你竟然就是你就不能執行你現在的公司登記代理人的這個業務嘛所以就是通過這個法好那你說遜那我這邊就要給你額落啊你們經濟部很落實喔 |
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在訓練的部分 你每一年定期跟記帳師或者是相關的代理人你們是很落實的每年都好幾次的 至少一次啦不管你只要新的法規一族來一站式的線上的新方法 課程你們都是馬上跟他們開課 |
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說訓練你們也都很落實的在做所以你考訓你只要補上考就好了嘛好 再來他們的資格現在洗錢防治的規範的對象不是只有會計師也不是只有律師欸洗錢防治的 |
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管制的對象包括記帳室記帳室跟記帳室代理人他們是高度金融列管的他不能亂來他們的任何的監督是等同律師、會計師 |
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所以这样高度监管他那我又要求他的这个法令的再加上他们的要求这个公司法政交法法通过之后就是即刻的加考你考不过那你就不能给我办理登记就这么简单啊 |
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就很乾脆所以我認同你們所以不抵觸訓練你們本來就很弱勢了他們的資格高度監管他們的這個行業那你既然受高度監管那他也執行這個業務重點是今天講工作權今天法通過之後會不會影響會計師跟律師的業務不會 |
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不會嘛所以你反對什麼只是把現況真的在接案子的好你真的要限縮啦這一點我是持保留可是我也某個程度的同意也就核心存核委員的我的版本是我還講明喔我的版本是說你記賬是記賬及報稅代理人你要納入你的登記但 |
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我還是寫出來但依法應簽證或另有其他法令規定應由會計師或律師辦理的相關事項則依其規定辦理所以我只是把現況再講清楚而已嘛本來現況回去都是我們這裡的計帳司啊是主要要簽證一定要找 |
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會計書還是相關的書因為像國外的外國公司來的話那你一定是要不是只有會計有時候是律師是在接這個國外的這個記帳的業務好那沒關係那我也可以接受何清淳何委員的他就說公司登記的資本未達新台幣3000萬的如果是3000萬以下的那就有給這個 |
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也可以让这个记账室记账室或记账记报税代理人来做这一条我也同意那我都尊重主席的协商 |
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所以我在这边这个来阐述一下过往这个记账是他们在争取在公司登记账中的努力对于你们的要求公司法包括证据法的考虑其实本身就是要本身就是这样过往就这样要求了那你现在在要求他那也更证明他们其实在你们的长期的做训练以及对这个职业的职能的提升你们确实是有成效嘛 |
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所以你現在講這個公司法案 他們馬上舉三手三審你們也不用什麼過渡期 馬上通過之後馬上考他們都覺得都可以 都可以升任好 以上謝謝好 謝謝接下來張書仁委員 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝主席那有關於這個公司把387條的修法那我本身我是支持這個經濟部的講法因為其實經濟部的解釋我覺得非常的清楚其實現行的法令裡面這個公司登記的部分它是由負責人親送或是律師會計師代理登記這裡面的講法非常清楚就是有一個代理人的一個概念在裡面那記帳是現在也是在協助可是記帳是跟報稅代理人這兩個 |
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這兩個職業的他是協助公司帶送件的部分所以現在記帳室其實還是在協助相關的有關於公司登記的部分的一個業務那其實為什麼我們講公司登記現在過去為什麼長期以來這個法令其實很多委員有提都沒有做修法動作就是因為有涉及會計跟法律的事務其實有複雜性跟專業性還有交易安全的問題所以 |
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當然經濟部之前我們有看到他們其實一直有在開座談會說明會邀請很多專家學者團體拿大家普遍的意見而且經濟部今天的意見就是應該要一定的考訓我們就算是參考國際上比如說日本美國新加坡等等這些國家 |
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其实都是要求要专业的人员所以为什么会计师律师我们在讲他是一个高考等级的那记账师他是一个普考等级的所以我觉得从考试制度上就是要先做一个区隔所以当然今天经济部的想法是说如果他去念公司法跟商法 |
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就可以只要做這樣的事情的話就可以有相對應的會計跟法律的實務我覺得這一點我覺得是可以在大家可以在討論的所以我覺得說經濟部這邊也不要就是現在就斷定說只要是多考這兩個考試他們就可以把過去就是他們可以再跨一個階級跨一個階級可以再做下一個工作因為 |
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過去就我所知因為我本身也是相關職業也跟會計師律師記賬師都保持很好的感情其實過去大家在合作的情況下都是合作無間的大家各自各施其職那我過去本身也在北商教書北商現在畢業就已經要求這個學生要考到記賬師的資格我不知道他會職業啊但考上跟職業是另外一件事情 |
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那所以我的認為是說是不是這個這一條當然我相信每個委員他都有一定的想法跟很多的公會給他們一定的建議那我是不是認為說你們應該趕快再去多開幾次會會籍到底是不是記帳是真的想要說我就是 |
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一個普考一個高考那當然對關係師跟律師來講是高考計算師普考你們覺得真的只加這兩個科目考完整他們就可以把所有公司登記的部分去做完備所以這點我覺得經濟部這邊還是要說明一下如果不行的話我建議還是再多開幾次會議真的聚集三個工會的意見大家坐下來好好討論不要傷了和氣 以上好謝謝委員還有沒有 |
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邱映委員是對不起我請教一下代理人跟代辦的不同點在哪裡代理人的法律位階看起來應該是比較高代辦的法律位階應該是比較低所以記帳室或者是會計師律師現在其實都是可以處理公司登記的代辦業務但是真正要成為公司的代理人 |
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你在法理上面在資格上面是不是應該是會有比較高的這個認定所以我其實同意剛剛這個張委員的看法我覺得就 |
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代理人這個部分是不是要納入記帳室跟因為大部分的委員都是提記帳室那也有委員林委員也提到記帳跟報稅代理人也把它納入那假如說未來我們要放寬到記帳室 |
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也可以的話那我覺得在考試資格的認定上面這個其實也是要同步的去協商或者是同步的去研究辦理畢竟高考跟普考的資格認定其實是不太一樣的 |
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所以其实这个我们也有提了一个附带决议就是说是不是请经济部能够再跟所谓的我们的考试院考试相关机关再去研议即使我们不反对把记账室纳入但是要纳入记账室的时候其实相关的资格认定上面是不是也能够同步的去做调整以上来等一下请经济部回好 |
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好谢谢那我们接下来我们也请行政部门你们注意记录谢谢这是两个一定要厘清可能在这个厘清上要很清楚公司代理人跟公司登记代理人这是两码子的事我们现在争取的是公司登记代理人 |
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这是第一个所以公司第二个现况85%的业务是记账公司登记的业务是85%都是记账室或是这个记账及报税代理人在做 |
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他們遇到需要簽證才去找會計師現況是會計師或者是這個加上律師會去實質做公司登記的業務佔10%我這個數字如果有錯請署長挑戰我我這個數字如果有錯你挑戰我 |
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85%現況是記帳室跟記帳報稅代理人在做但是他們都依照法規所以真的在做的會計師加上律師10%而已所以這個第三個講到 |
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日本美國新加坡等國登記代理人講好喔你們也講對喔你們是你們觀念是清楚的經濟部觀念是清楚的經查日本美國新加坡等國的登記代理人的資格多限於專業職業人員本國的記帳是跟記帳及報稅代理人是不是專業職業人員 |
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回答我啊這個請回答當然是啊國家考試啊所以第四個你們的要求如果你們對訓你們的訓練我很認同百分百100分你要要求他在加考公司法跟政教法本席200%認同所以我從現況業務 |
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現況的業務的市場的佔有量會計師加上律師才10%85%都是現況的公司登記不是公司代理人搞清楚這是兩碼子的事 他們現在爭取的是公司登記代理人 |
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所以今天你們寫經濟部講的這三段話這兩段話馬上就打臉了 |
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一點符合現況也沒有然後也蒙騙混淆視聽立法院而沒有把實質記帳公司登記的現況實質的反映在立法院的一個這樣的一個立院的一個這樣的一個審查法案的一個說明 |
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你講到說等國你連這句話都可以寫出來喔清查日美新等國登記代理人資格多限於專業職業人員你這個意思是在說我們的記帳室跟記帳報稅代理人不是專業職業人員嗎那他們考的是普考沒有錯啊所以他不能做簽證啊只有律師跟會計師他要負責什麼負責簽證啊 |
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他怎麼可能去做記帳那不可能嘛 表示你連現況記帳會計師跟律師的實質收入來源是什麼你都搞不清楚你在這邊混淆視聽好 以上謝謝好 謝謝那行政部沒有要補充如果沒有要補充那這個針對於 |
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387条的这个部分我想我们讨论到现在大家请注意听一下讨论到现在大家都认定不管是会计师不管是记账师不管是税务代理人他们 |
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因為當時計帳室跟稅務報稅代理人也是我們立法院三讀通過而去執行職的那當然他們的層級就是說他簽的不一樣三千萬以下是我們這裡辛苦的這個計帳室稅務代理人在簽 |
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所以当时会计师也很好会计师最后大家一直讨论讨论到最后说两个是合作可以非常好所以会计师也欢喜这个法案我们通过我想当时的军运委员我们都在现场当时的参与委员就是他爸爸在现场的所以因为这都是国家很重要的贡献者 |
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所以我真的非常希望各自委員提出的論點我們就是要很理性的去討論跟剛剛第一條開始160條開始我一再強調我們要怎麼樣讓人民可以安心而且這些工作大家分工可以做得好那現在到目前為止不管是剛開始的行政部門說明以及委員的說明我們想各自方向都一樣為了台灣的產業好 |
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為了職業者能夠好這兩個原則一定是大家共識那當然行政部門在昨天詢答的時候也提出就是說你們在這個考試的方面可以跨部會還要討論有什麼樣的方向那我個人認為請各位大家聽聽看因為我們今天從昨天的質詢 詢答到今天有一個共識點 |
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都認同這兩個都是很重要國家的貢獻者會計師 計帳室 稅務報稅代理人 都是而且也協助了政府很多事也協助了公司很多事所以相關的細節 |
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要怎麼樣去做台灣的產業一定會越來越好那相關的細節要怎麼做我想就請行政部門你們趕快跨部會去研擬也跟工會大家來研議因為已經有所本的脈絡了已經有所本的脈絡要怎麼樣去做會更好 好吧那你們去研擬好我們再來繼續討論 |
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是好那各位委員剛剛本席針對於387條所做成大家充分發言行政部門也提出說明那也是不是同意本席剛剛所做的針對第387條那行政部門你們務必要加油一定要加油好不好好 |
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那這個第387條做如此的決議那時間還是要有一個時間點因為剛剛我們另外有一個案子是請你們160條是請你們也約在這個三個月內那你們也一樣這樣去討論提出方案出來好不好來 各位同仁針對於387條本席做如此的初步的一個方向你們覺得 |
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對 暫保留請行政部門去努力那我們定期再來討論行政部門加油好 大家同意好 謝謝接下來387條之一387條我們要謝謝劉許廷委員因為從昨天的詢問一直到現在有達成雙方的共識我們先宣讀 |
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修正動議第387條之一公司於申請設立登記後應參加各級政府機關或其指定非營利組織辦理之勞動權益講習中央主管機關應於其資訊網站註記公司參加第一項勞動權益講習與否之情形提案人 楊瓊英 張琦楷 鄭天才 劉許廷 |
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附带决议公司于申请设立登记后应参加各级政府机关或其指定非盈利组织办理之劳动权益奖习为维持奖习品质及协助提升雇主劳动权益之法遵意是其奖习之对象内容实施方式其指定非盈利组织办理之资格条件及其他应遵行事项请中央主管机关会商中央劳动主管机关定之 |
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提案人 楊瓊英 張啟凱 鄭天才 牛許廷 邱奕穎 蔡奕瑜 宣讀完畢好 那針對於第387條 公司登記 387條之一那我們剛剛從昨天的這個詢答 到剛剛的這個協商那我們先請這個提案委員 是 |
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好謝謝主席喔其實這個就是希望雇主跟更有勞動意識啦尤其是微型企業要避免勞資糾紛從源頭開始所以我們本來希望在登記前變成要件那當然昨天在詢答的時候跟經濟部溝通的過程中我們也了解啦就是公司登記大家希望 |
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便捷快速嘛從經濟部的本位 這我們願意尊重因此從昨天詢答之後 我就進行密集的協商最後達成共識的方向就如同修正動議所提基本上我們允許在登記後但是賦予他參與勞動講習的這樣子的一個責任那這個 |
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檢驗這個責任的方式就是用註記的方式這樣子相對來講執行的這個執行的易達性比較高那從勞工的角度我在求職的時候我只要去看相關的登記你就可以了解這個僱主的勞動意識充不充分我想對勞工也是有保障那相對來講對僱主來講的負擔不會這麼重那麼這樣的一個修正動議包含商業登記法都是同樣的邏輯已經跟行政機關包含經濟部包含勞動部已經達成共識 |
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那就希望各位委員共同支持我們至少讓今天這個法條是有共識的狀態可以送足委員會 以上謝謝行政部門有沒有要再補充 |
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非常感謝委員同意也提出了一個修正動議就是把它設計前改成這個後的這個部分那至於後面的這個註記就如同委員剛剛所說明我這邊就不再贅述那這個部分謝謝這個委員的指導也感謝希望說我們讓這個整個勞動權益跟包括公司的這個登記更加更加便捷有快速 |
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好 謝謝我們提案委員 劉雪婷委員以及行政部門從昨天選打結束之後 雙方有所爭議的部分 分歧的部分我們今天終於這個這個協商成功那這個是在第387條之一我們依照這個剛剛所做的修正動議 |
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以及宣讀的文字 我們正式通過那第449條就依照牛許廷委員就是說通過之後公布以6個月這個施行我們本來是講說因為登記前要多一個門檻所以有預留日出條款 但現在這個東西比較簡單那還有沒有必要做這個事 我們尊重行政機關的意見好不好來 請行政部門 |
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系統租金要修正系統除了要修正之外系統除了要修正之外 系統除了要修正之外系統除了要修正之外 系統除了要修正之外 系統除了要修正之外系統除了要修正之外 系統除了要修正之外 系統除了要修正之外 系統除了要修正之外 系統除了要修正之外 系統除了要修正之外 系統除了要修正之外 系統除了要修正之外 系統除了要修正之外 系統除了要修正之外 系統除了要修正之外 系統除了要修正之外 系統除了要修正之外 系統除了要修正之 |
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已經處理了第449條我們依照牛許廷委員新增至第387條之一條文於公佈後6個月內實施我們也鼓勵行政部門你該當要調整的系統要宣導的要去講好好就依照這個 |
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劉委員所提案的 照樣通過接下來我們有兩個附帶決議一個是張其凱委員 一個是本席我們先討論張其凱委員 |
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行政部門針對於張旗愷委員的附帶決議有沒有好那我們這個張旗愷委員 |
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所提案的因為235條之一我們的主條文還沒有討論好我們要暫保留所以這個等討論的時候再一併討論那另外公司法第387條附帶 |
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之一的這個附帶決議那剛剛也已經宣讀過來 請同意辦理同意辦理 好公司法附帶決議本席以及劉許廷委員 張綺凱委員鄭天才委員議員你要不要 那387條議員你要不要聯署來 蔡議員要不要這一張走沒有 |
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這門在哪裡都有簽嗎好都有簽那最好了就是公司法第387條之一的附帶決議我們就照文字通過好 謝謝好 |
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我們有簽的委員都要尊重喔因為我在主席台再宣布一下因為我們經濟委員會因為有的不是我們經濟委員會我要特別說明經濟委員會是最和諧的因為我們經濟要好所以大家義中求同謝謝 好 |
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主席在這邊來宣告公司法部分條文修正草案部分第12案委員 紐許庭委員所提的387條之一修正通過第449條 照案通過 |
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那同時附帶決議的部分第二案我們照案通過行政部門那其餘個案以及附帶決議的第一案也就是235條之一我們另定期繼續審查那在這邊公司法我還要再勉勵行政部門剛剛特別160條跟387條請你們一定要趕快務實的去討論 好不好去提出方案 謝謝 |
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接下來我們不休息繼續討論我們現在先讀修正動議請宣讀 |
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商業登記法修正動議 第九條之一商業於申請設立登記後 應參加各級政府機關或其指定非營利組織辦理之勞動權益講習中央主管機關應於其資訊網站註記商業參加第一項勞動權益講習與否之情形提案人 楊瓊英 張綺凱 鄭天才 邱益穎 蔡奕宇 劉許廷 宣讀完畢 |
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好 我們針對於商業登記法第9條之一跟這個第37條因為這個提案內容跟我們之前討論的公司法387條之一以及第449條的立法一直都相同所以本案依前決議來處理行政部門 |
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如果沒有我們就通過 謝謝 謝謝大家的呈現好 謝謝 謝謝林委員 謝謝接下來我們要討論接下來我們繼續 繼續能源法來我們現在協商討論第三案 能源管理法部分 |
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修正草案 我們先請經濟部來說明一條一條 OK |
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有关于蔡锡昌委员及钟嘉斌委员等提案针对第二条的修正的部分那这里面把所谓的再生能源包括热能把它订进来那其实这个是跟我们现在在送行政院演绎中的行政院版本我们方向是一样的那我们是建议说是不是这个部分啊 |
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可以等到我們的行政院版因為行政院版還有其他的條文是不是等那個時候一併案來做一個討論以上這個這樣子來下面發言前那個行政部門因為能管法是大家非常非常的關心那也因為現在綠能等等的不一樣的樣態的能源那這個我們昨天也說了比照 |
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國安的這個管理很重要那是不是這個能源管理法呢現在行政院版本還沒有來那昨天各位同仁昨天有說你們預計希望在兩個月內行政部門會出來行政院版那我們也願意給點時間但是呢你們必須務必去追一定要去追不能擺在那裡沒有那個立法委員已經這麼多人提案 |
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而且是上個去年度所公告的去年度所公告的所預告的到現在我們委員都已經提案大家緊張的不得了了那我們的行政院版本還沒出來那還好聽到你們已經送到行政院所以你們務必要加緊腳步但是今天我們還是希望聽到 |
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行政部門 你們針對委員所有的提案你們的論述到底是什麼你們必須要說明一下 好不好他們說一下 整體說一下我們再說 再說好不好行政部門主條說嗎 還是 |
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整体的部分包括所谓的除了我们这次行政院版在演绎中的有包括体力还有包括文字做一部分的调整之外那另外一个部分就是针对于我们现在的我们希望让地方政府 |
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有权力有能力去查核节电的一个成果那这也是我们这个修法的这个方向然后除此之外的话我们希望说那未来在相关的这个发电业者相关的这个数据可以有一个公开透明 |
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的一个做法当然台电现在已经有在做了但是我们希望说让他这个做法有一个法源的依据比如说他促进这个能源的合理利用使用效率公开能源的这个销售的统计这些的资料我们是希望说在这个部分做一个改正增强一个说明那除此之外的话我们针对于 |
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主管機關得派員或是委託來辦理相關的這個專業機構的一個審核的這個部分我們也做一些條文的一個說明然後做一個修正那除此之外的話我們對於包括這個未經許可而經中央主管機關公告的產品 |
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然后去进行销售然后我们针对于这个部分法则的部分有做一个修正的一个建议 |
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那总体来说跟组委委员会报告的是我们除了针对能源管理法因为这是一个比较老的一个法令那过去很多的能源的事项比如说是石油管理法或是天然气事业法这些都有独立甚至是再生能源发展条例这些都有独立的专法出来所以我们期待说借此让这次行政院把我们的能源管理的部分把它做一个加强以上 |
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好 謝謝行政部門 來 那個邱議員然後再來賴樂潤委員好 謝謝主席 這個原則上我我同意主席剛剛的建議就是說如果行政院的版本還沒有下來那對於能源的這個能源管理的這個議題這個法條其實相對是重要是不是我們能夠今天保留那等行政院的版本進來的時候再並案審查這樣是不是會可能比較周全一點 |
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那本席其實有一個提案是針對於這個故意散播故意造謠在這個影響國家的能源政策的攻擊上面其實我看昨天行政院也不斷的在發出新聞在澄清一些謠言我本來是很希望至少今天能夠先通過這一條但是如果大家決定要整個所有的提案保留並案處理的話我也不堅持 |
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謝謝 那我們賴瑞榮委員好 謝謝主席我可不可以請教一下行政院的版本進來預定是什麼時候我希望還是要有一個時間點兩個月內出來了送進經濟委員會嗎還是出兩個月這個會期來不及耶會嗎 |
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我们会尽快因为刚刚主席有说我们会去催促一下我们现在针对于预告的这些的资料去做一个修正我们快速的修正之外针对于行政院的行政的程序的部分我们也希望说来加速 |
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市長其實這個其實是一個修正而已而且因為大家的版本也都出來了那其實你們應該內部意見也都差不多我希望能夠一個月內完成好不好因為這樣子還有機會在年底前有機會來完成這樣的一個三讀的程序可不可以一個月內因為我認為其實難度應該是不高啦因為多數 |
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你們的有共識的就提出來如果你們還有困難的就你們就就跟大家講嘛就是你們還有困難還必須要在因為修法本來就是不斷在進行的一個過程先把你們已經有共識也覺得可以的提出來那我們跟委員們版本大家一起來審 |
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谢谢委员的这个指正但是因为在这个会期我们还有其他一些的法案比如说是像土耻财区法这些我们还是在做处理那是不是跟主席跟委员说明是我们做两个月内我们不会等到两个月我们也希望说这个会期能做这样子啦你在这边争议几个月内没有什么效应来那那个刚刚那位委员是希望时间可以快一点一个月啦我希望一个月 |
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好來針對於我們能源管理法裡頭呢我們總共有21條21條的條文那還有兩個附帶決議有第二條跟第六條之一這個修正動議呢是這個張啟凱委員那本席的還沒有其他委員要提要發言 |
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沒有本席所提的是第7條因為剛剛是請行政部門做21條的綜合報告所以第7條儲能的部分我是希望說你們在研議的當中要怎麼樣去做因為這個是現在目前台灣迫切需要的東南亞國家美日韓都 |
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都这么做 先进国家都这么做东南亚都在做那我们因为我们是海岛型国家万一碰到这个封锁的时候我们的能源进不来的时候才会说能源等于是国安的议题在讨论那所以这个除能的议案本席认为是非常的重要那我本席也特别在提出针对我们所做的提案希望行政部门 |
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那因為各位同仁因為剛剛這個行政部門也說了到昨天昨天他們也說送到行政原本他們是說三個月那我們絕對不同意昨天在巡打的時候所以有一個兩個月內 |
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兩個月內那本期是這樣子因為委員大家也急其實這個是在為行政院做事情行政院你們應該要跑比我們還快因為我們都在基層都在這個工業區都在廠商那裡知道 |
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人民對於能源的一個未確定感很緊張所以是不是容許本席做如此的建議也就是你們現在既然已經送到行政院了那你們要加緊腳步請行政院趕快自己要去 |
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速度加快那同時你經濟部可以同步進行21條的條文我們昨天也都宣讀過了今天早上都宣讀過了昨天也討論過了委員也提出意見了你們同步去進行你們針對於21條你行政院版在你手上已經有了那你針對委員的這個部分你們再去做一個你們的建議綜合版 |
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建議比這個對比表出來對比版出來那我們也希望能夠速度快你們是不是可以在一個月內拿出你們行政院版你手上有嗎只是我們沒看到我們立法院還沒送來我們沒看到所以你們先趕快同步進行去針對21條的條文跟兩個修正同意的這個部分 |
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那你們去做對照表出來那你一個月內去把它做出來一方面你們也去追行政院更快 |
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其實坦白講照理講立法院是不應當把你們講到這麼細但是我們真的真心希望我們的產業能源能夠穩定能夠安全所以我們還是願意講得這麼細你們是不是一個月內將這21個條文跟你的行政院板目前你有的去對照希望在一個月內你的行政院板也出來因為板是你們做的 |
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大概原則上是差不多你趕快去跟這個21條跟兩個修正動議去做一個對比版本對比版本也就是說如果你們跟委員所提的不一樣那有什麼方法還是怎麼樣的文字修正去做調和在一個月內把這個東西出來那我們再擇期再來審 |
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這樣子我想有一個時間點大家加油一下不要一直擺著我想這個人民不容許的來 次長 |
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是 刚刚委员的建议我们现在有能源署他所提出来的出来经济部的这个版本那依照主席的材质我们可以针对这个版本去做一个对照表那这个对照表的话我们可以在一个礼拜里面就可以出来但是行政院版它还没有出来我们没有办法去做 |
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因为最后行政院可能还会有一些的修正那当然或许这个行政会会跟我们经济部的大致是一样所以是不是容我们做一个修正我就容许给你一个月了你这样来 各位同仁因为这是一个建议的方向当然他们没有绝对的约束力当然就是你们尽量朝这个目标来前进好不好好 我们来努力依照主席财事的目标来努力 |
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我也謝謝次長因為次長剛剛說我還是要說明清楚次長說如果對照表是一個禮拜我覺得這不太負責任因為21條條文昨天的詢談裡面有很多是行政部門跟委員的提案是不相同的所以我也很體貼的希望你們想死去討論 |
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因為我覺得要做就做真的而不是只有一個書面資料來就不好一定要溝通所以主席台是不是針對我們討論的第三案能管法的部分我們就照剛剛委員所建議所提的內容請行政部門在一個月內 |
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你们将目前你们掌控的行政院版本跟委员21条条文跟修正张其凯两个委员两个修正动议那么你们去做整体性的一个讨论然后提出你们的综合版本出来那在这个期间也跟委员好好的去沟通 |
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那这个一个月内拿出来那另外第二个也请免利经济部这边跟行政院多一沟通行政院版本要尽速赶快提出送到立法院好吗 |
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OK那个对照表是不是做一个草案就好了对对对你一个月内拿来就资料嘛那如果是时间有稍微有差一点点我们再跟委员会再去做一个建议对对对就一个月内好各位同仁针对刚刚我们针对第三案能管法是不是照如此的建议请教各位同仁来 |
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討論事項第三案我們愛行政院版討論事項第三案我們另定期繼續併案審查啦另定期審查也不用併案好再宣讀一次再報告一次討論事項第三案 |
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我們暫保留 定期繼續審查我們請祕書宣讀協商結論 |
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宣讀協商結論公司法第160條令定期繼續審查第165條令定期繼續審查第222條令定期繼續審查第235條之一及委員張祺凱等人所提附帶決議均令定期繼續審查第387條 |
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定期審查 增訂第387條之一趙文 楊瓊英 邱毅英 蔡依儀 張啟凱 鄭天才 牛喜婷等6人所提修正動議通過通過附帶決議項第449條 照案通過 商業登記法 |
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增訂第9條之一 趙偉 楊瓊英 邱毅英 蔡奕宇張綺凱 鄭天才 牛喜婷等6人所提修正動議通過 第37條章案通過 能源管理法部門條件修正草案5案及委員張綺凱等人所提第2條及新政第6條之一修正動議均定定期繼續審查 宣讀完畢 |
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包主席那個222剛剛的討論好那剛剛那個我們的修正動議那樂園委員也做提案222條是剛剛的討論是說照現行的條文不予修正好 |
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那222條是不予修正但是我們因為公司法我們這一個部分我們是暫保留所以我們今天就先不予處理只是我們討論的方向是如此 好吧好 請教各位同仁照剛剛所宣讀的協商結論通過有沒有異議 |
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沒有 來 本日稍等一下 拜託本日議程討論四項有關公司法部分條文修正草案部分的第12案委員牛許廷所提案387條之一以及第449條凝聚審查報告提報院會討論那麼本案不需由黨團協商 |
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其餘另案呢其餘個案都定期繼續來做討論那本日議程討論的四項有關商業登記法第九條之一及第三十七條條文修正草案凝聚審查報告提報院會討論那本案也是不需由這個黨團協商 |
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接下來我們本日議程討論的第三案能管法能源管理法部分條文修正草案定期繼續審查院會討論的時候由本席來做說明繼續審查通過的條文相關的法制用語授權主席及議事人員來做整理本日所列的議程均已處理完畢現在散會 謝謝 |
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好 辛苦了 |