| IVOD_ID |
17011 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17011 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-05T08:40:27+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-05T13:03:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
04:22:33 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/b41997f390c3528e16bff821a9cb407d8be8718c83de216783051bafb051454bb1bb7ae564ef7bf95ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：審查「使用牌照稅法」29案：（僅詢答）
一、行政院函請審議、本院委員邱鎮軍等19人、委員陳超明等18人、委員羅明才等20人、委員廖偉翔等19人、委員楊瓊瓔等27人、委員許宇甄等22人、委員邱若華等17人、委員林俊憲等26人、委員王鴻薇等19人、委員李彥秀等16人、委員蘇清泉等18人、委員徐欣瑩等24人、委員郭昱晴等19人、委員王美惠等19人、委員李坤城等18人、委員羅廷瑋等17人、委員郭國文等18人、委員吳沛憶等17人、委員葛如鈞等16人、委員沈發惠等17人、委員林思銘等22人、委員賴士葆等25人、委員黃健豪等20人分別擬具「使用牌照稅法第五條條文修正草案」等24案。【後2案如經院會復議，本次會議不予審查】
二、本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「使用牌照稅法第五條及第七條條文修正草案」案。
三、本院委員廖先翔等17人擬具「使用牌照稅法第五條及第三十八條條文修正草案」案。
四、本院委員牛煦庭等17人、委員鍾佳濱等16人分別擬具「使用牌照稅法第七條條文修正草案」等2案。【後1案如經院會復議，本次會議不予審查】
五、本院委員廖偉翔等17人擬具「使用牌照稅法第七條及第三十八條條文修正草案」案。
【11月5日及6日二天一次會】） |
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完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:40:27 - 13:03:00 |
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現在開始開會 請主任秘書報告出席委員人數報告委員會出席委員與主法定人數請議事人員宣讀上次會議議事錄 |
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議法院第十一屆第四會期財政委員會第五次全體委員會議議事錄時間中華民國一百一十四年十月三十日星期四九時至十一時四十八分地點群雄樓九樓大禮堂出席委員林德福委員等十三人列席委員洪孟凱委員等七人請假委員陳玉珍委員一人列席官員今晚會主委彭金榮暨所屬單位代表 |
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中央銀行副總裁朱美麗 法務部法制司 內政部警政署 財團法人 櫃買中心等各單位代表暨相關人員 主席李昭吉 委員昆城報告事項一宣讀上次會議議事錄決定議事錄確定 |
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二 邀請金融監督管理委員會彭主任委員金融中央銀行法務部內政部警政署就虛擬資產服務法草案及其相關執法修訂即建立完善監理架構之進程進行專題報告並被質詢 |
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今今晚會主委彭金榮及中央銀行副總裁朱美麗分別提出報告後 既有委員林德福等14人提出質詢今今今晚會彭主委 中央銀行朱副總裁財政委員貴滿中心兼董事長內政部警政署刑事警察局陳副局長及相關人員予以說明及答覆 |
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決定議報告及詢答完畢二 委員質詢未及答覆或請補充資訊請相關部會議週內以書面答覆委員另要求期限者從期鎖定三 委員林思明 李彥秀 林楚英所提書面質詢列入紀錄刊登公報並請相關部會議書面答覆宣讀完畢 |
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因為在場委員位足法定人數我們議事錄占不確定那我們現在介紹在場委員吳秉瑞好那我們請議事人員宣讀今日議程 |
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審查使用牌照稅法二十九案今日請詢答一行政院函請審議本院委員邱振軍等十九人委員陳昌明等十八人委員羅文才等二十人委員廖偉祥等十九人委員楊瓊英等二十七人委員徐宇貞等二十二人 |
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委員邱若驊等17人委員林俊憲等26人委員王宏偉等19人委員李彥秀等16人委員蘇清泉等18人委員徐欣盈等24人委員郭育晴等19人委員王美惠等19人委員李昆城等18人委員羅廷偉等17人 |
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委員郭國文等18人委員吳佩奕等17人委員葛如君等16人委員沈發慧等17人委員林詩敏等22人委員賴世寶等25人委員黃建豪等20人分別擬據使用牌照稅法第五條條文修正草案等24案 |
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二本院台灣民眾黨團擬拒使用牌照稅法第五條及第七條條文修正草案案三委員廖先祥等17人擬拒使用牌照稅法第五條及第38條條文修正草案案四委員牛許廷等17人委員鍾嘉斌等16人分別擬拒使用牌照稅法第七條條文修正草案等二案五委員廖偉祥等17人擬拒使用牌照稅法第七條及第38條條文修正草案案宣讀完畢 |
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好 謝謝 我們現在介紹我們在場委員吳秉瑞 吳委員王宏威 王委員我們今天與會的政府官員我們這個地方稅務局也來了很多人我們先介紹我們中央財政部部長莊翠雲 張部長歡迎部長 |
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法治處姚瑩瑤處長國庫署的陳柏成署長複稅署宋秀玲宋署長官務署彭英偉彭署長國有財產署曾國基曾署長財政資訊中心謝明峰謝副主任 |
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交通部公共運輸及監理師趙敬偉 趙專門委員經濟部產發署邱求惠 邱署長能源署鄭如敏 鄭副組長環境部大氣環境師呂承翔 檢任計政衛福部長期照顧師吳希文 吳副市長 |
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社家屬游怡君游組長法務部法治師楊時宇調部辦事檢察官 歡迎你台北市政府財政局張雅惠副局長 歡迎新北市陳榮貴陳局長 歡迎 |
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桃園市地方稅務局謝於林 謝副局長 歡迎台中市政府地方稅務局夏錦秀 夏副局長 歡迎台南市政府財政稅務局李文文 李專門委員 歡迎高雄市稅捐處吳秀元副處長 歡迎你新竹縣政府的稅務局黃國峰 黃局長 歡迎 |
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苗栗縣政府稅務局吳芳珍吳副局長 歡迎南投縣政府財政處林靜娟副處長 歡迎彰化縣地方稅務局楊素柱楊副局長 歡迎還有南投縣稅務局的林信齊副局長 歡迎 |
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雲林縣稅務局陳敏政秘書介紹過嘉義縣財政稅務局王美義王副局長 歡迎屏東縣政府財稅局康國書副局長 歡迎你宜蘭縣政府財政稅務局劉富美局長 歡迎 |
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花蓮縣地方稅務局黃淑梅副局長 歡迎你台東縣稅務局鄭春柱代理局長 歡迎澎湖縣政府稅務局林鴻成局長 歡迎基隆市稅務局歐秋霞局長 歡迎新竹市稅務局黃桂梅副局長 歡迎你 |
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嘉義市政府財政稅務局圖美娟圖副局長歡迎 謝謝 |
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本次會議安排審查行政院判決審議委員邱正軍等19人羅明才等20人分別擬據使用牌照稅法第5條修正草案等24案還有台灣民眾黨團擬據使用牌照稅法第5條及第7條文修正草案 |
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委員廖先祥等17人擬拒使用牌照稅法第5條第38條條文修正草案委員劉許廷等17人委員鍾嘉斌等16人分別擬拒使用牌照稅法第7條條文修正草案2案委員廖偉祥等17人擬拒使用牌照稅法第7條及第38條條文修正草案等29案 |
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將先請提案黨團代表委員說明提案要此後我們再請財政部長 莊部長說明回應黨團及委員的提案內容先請台灣民眾黨的代表黃珊珊委員不在 |
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羅明財委員也不在李燕秀委員也不在李昆城委員也不在郭國榮委員也不在賴思寶委員也不在鍾嘉斌委員不在邱振軍委員不在陳昌明委員不在廖偉翔委員不在楊瓊瑩委員不在徐益臻委員不在邱若驊委員不在林俊憲委員不在下面請王宏威委員來做提案說明 |
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好謝謝主席還有現場的各位委員還有來自於我們中央和地方的各位官員我們今天在討論使用牌照稅法的一個修正主要是針對電動車輛的一個牌照稅的優惠來繼續延長那根據統計我們這個電動車 |
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那樣免徵牌照稅的政策實施以來全台的電動車確實大幅的成長到了114年底為止已經突破了9.7萬輛然後電動機車也增加了到77.5萬輛所以也顯示民眾對於電動車接受的程度顯著的提高 |
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但是我們基本上我們國家的政策從一個長遠的一個能源政策還有環保的政策我們仍然希望能夠繼續讓電動車的普及率能夠繼續的延長 |
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所以在今天本席提出来的使用牌照税法的第5条条文修正草案是要把延长电动车辆的免征使用牌照税的优惠期限能够延长到119年的12月31号那么希望能够继续的来推动国人能够提高电动车电动汽车跟电动机车 |
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那另外呢在这里呢也特别提一下牌照税因为它是属于地方税那当然我们基于政策能够希望让牌照税电动车免牌照税然后延长但是呢我觉得未来呢我们也应该这样子一再的延长之后呢 |
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如果對於地方的稅收有所影響的時候其實中央也應該要有一個補助地方的辦法我想這樣的一個政策不應該只是完全由地方政府來買單這個是我們在修法的過程裡面我覺得也應該去納入討論的以上說明 謝謝好 謝謝王宏偉委員 |
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我們先確定議事錄 請問在場的委員對於上次會議議事錄有無異議沒有 我們議事錄確定接下來我們請李彥秀委員做提案說明 |
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謝謝召委我們今天要審查使用牌照稅法第五條的修正草案就是為了我們台灣接下來要淨零減碳的目標按下加速鍵這次修法的目的我們希望從原來現行電動車免徵使用牌照稅的優惠本來是在114年12月31號到期我主張未來要把租稅的優惠延長到110 |
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1925.127 |
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1946.32 |
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2019年的12月31号只是为了我们台湾国家我们国家能源转型的运具电动化的政策同步的衔接根据国际能源署的统计2024年全年全球销售电动车的比例达到20%但是我们从数据上也可以看到台湾本年度电动车的销售占比却只有7.6% |
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1948.001 |
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1970.389 |
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跟國際其實相差大概至少相差了三倍以上顯見遠低於全球平均的比例也跟國發會原來設定2025年電動車佔比達到20%其實相差許多所以在這次修法上我們希望透過政策的調整延長我們租稅的優惠可以達到民眾購買電動車的意願以上 謝謝好 謝謝李燕秀委員 |
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1976.229 |
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1983.089 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
接下來我們請蘇清泉委員蘇清泉委員不在接下來請徐欣英委員做提案說明 |
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1993.152 |
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2011.862 |
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主席各位官員各位委員同仁大家好我們今天提案修正使用牌照稅法目標是為了延長免稅增設公平推動新能源車達成淨零排放是我們國家刻不容緩的永續發展目標 |
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2013.243 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2035.316 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
然而目前普及率嚴重的過低到去年底我們全台電動車的佔比只有1.15%機車也只有5.29%用來鼓勵換車的牌照稅免徵優惠下個月也就是12月31日就要到期了 |
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2035.996 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2051.126 |
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贸然停止这项政策诱因将重创市场不利近邻目标所以我们主张免税优惠延长5年至民国119年底以稳定市场 |
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2051.966 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2076.525 |
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预期有效刺激买气加速产业的技术创新另外现行制度下平价电动车与千万电动超跑同样免税并不公平我们认为租税优惠应该精准的用在扩大普及而不是无差别的补贴高性能的奢侈品因此我们主张增设排付条款 |
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2078.079 |
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2103.576 |
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參照燃油車課稅的精神馬達最大馬力超過262HP或是265.9PS的高性能電動車不予免徵恢復課稅高性能車輛對道路資源需求更高課稅才符合使用者付費公平總結來說本案 本提案兼顧了環境永續 |
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2104.517 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2126.104 |
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延長免稅 鼓勵中低功率節能車款的普及還有社會正義 增設馬力門檻讓高性能豪華車款回歸稅制那懇請各位委員同仁大家支持我們共同為台灣的交通轉型與永續未來一起努力 謝謝好 我們謝謝徐姓委員接下來請羅廷維委員 |
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2135.185 |
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好 时间两分钟 |
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2139.855 |
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好 謝謝主席提案說明我想為推動綠色交通以及並且降低化石燃料的一個使用政府近年來積極的就在透過多元的政策工具希望鼓勵民眾能夠選購電動車輛以促進車輛的一個電動化並且減碳量電動車儲能改善都市的一個空氣品質 |
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2166.681 |
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2192.338 |
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降低噪音外我們亦有助於整個綠色交通的部件環境之建構然而我國電動車在發展階段當中這個是你我皆知的若於短期內終止免稅的一個措施我想一定會影響到整個政策的誘因進而不利到整個減碳的目標持續的一個推動 |
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2193.218 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
2220.996 |
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我們不是只是要照顧電動車業而是整個你我的環境要減碳所以為延續整個政策的一貫性特你去在這一次的使用牌照稅法的第五條條文修正我們希望比照新購小型汽機車在減貨物稅的一個限期的一個規定建議延長限轄市政府 |
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2248.665 |
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以及政府能夠電動車的一個車輛減免稅增的使用牌照期限延長5年到119年12月31日以維持政策的一個延續跟節能減碳的一個政策 以上好 謝謝羅廷維委員接下來我們請陳超明委員做提案說明 |
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2259.272 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
2275.537 |
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本席委員陳昌明等18人年紀使用牌照稅法第五條修正草案的提案說明有建議區後變遷因應第四條明確規定國家溫室氣體長期減量目標為中華民國139年溫室氣體淨量排碳化的目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
2288.837 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
2297.181 |
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而目前全國汽車試輛截至114年9月底A970萬一輛到了2024年底成電動車的登記試輛將近10萬輛顯現目前電車的普及力擁有牡蠣的空間 |
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2314.534 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
2334.011 |
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但是,電動車免徵使用牌照稅的政策,將在115年1月1日恢復開徵,鑒於現階段我國電動車的普及,目標尚未達成。若貿然取消免稅的政策,恐影響民眾購買的意願, |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
2337.413 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
2364.052 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
因而影響我國交通運輸朝向低碳轉型的政策目標為了刺激電動車輛之推廣普及時有延長免徵期限之必要本席提案修正在延長直轄市及縣市政府對完全以電動 |
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2366.525 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
2387.939 |
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為動力之機動車輛免徵使用牌照期限5年到119年底但是最重要使用的牌照稅屬於地方稅若對於電動車輛免徵使用牌照稅將嚴重影響地方稅收因此免稅政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
2389.361 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
2417.69 |
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是為了推動中央的減碳政策但是不能變向中央請客地方買單所以本席將另外提出修正動議要求中央能源主管機關補值地方政府因相對減少的稅收以維持直轄市及縣市政府稅收穩定所以在此也希望各位委員同仁全力的支持 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
2419.807 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
2425.077 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
好 謝謝陳超明委員接下來請徐益臻委員做提案說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
2435.805 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
2452.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
主席各位官員大家早本期今天提出的是使用牌照稅第五條的修正草案在全球掀起近零轉型浪潮的此刻電動車不只是交通工具更象徵一個國家能源政策與產業升級的一個決心 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
2452.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
2459.082 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
然而電動車的普及率未達到預期充電裝不足 設置程序繁瑣家用充電設備成本高昂等問題成為民眾轉向綠能交通的最大阻力若此時讓電動車免徵使用牌照稅的政策在114年底劃下句點等同在轉型的關鍵時刻鬆手將重創整體產業的發展信心 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
2475.888 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
2489.542 |
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而為了確保電動車推動政策不中斷並維持綠能運輸的發展動能本次修正使用牌照稅法第五條建議延長電動車免徵使用牌照稅的措施五年自119年12月31日止 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
2492.765 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
2507.729 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
此舉不但能夠延續政策誘因更能讓產業有足夠時間完善基礎建設逐步培養穩定的市場環境避免出現政策真空期我國已設定2050年達成淨零排放的長期標準交通運輸部門是碳排放的主要來源之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
2513.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
2517.071 |
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推動電動車普及是達成減碳的關鍵策略相較傳統的燃油車電動車具備零碳排 低污染 低噪音的優勢不僅能改善空氣的品質也能夠降低城市熱島的效應是實踐永續發展的重要一步延長免徵期限不只是單純的稅制優惠更是對綠能交通的長期投資回顧過去幾年來 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
2538.675 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
2544.338 |
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免增政策確實是發揮了誘因帶動電動車銷售的成長也促進國內供應鏈技術加速發展從車用電池 馬達到充電設備臺灣的廠商逐步建立完整的體系如果在此時 撤除政策將會使我們的能源政策的穩定性產生盈率所以本席在這邊懇請所有的委員大家一起支持使用牌照稅延長五年的提案 謝謝 |
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2567.639 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
2587.751 |
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好 謝謝徐益臻委員接下來請郭益勤委員不在現在請王美惠委員也不在吳佩儀委員不在葛如君委員不在沈發慧委員不在黃建豪委員不在廖先祥委員不在牛許廷委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
2589.451 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
2599.379 |
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好 我們以上提案的委員我們都已經發言完畢現在請我們財政部莊部長說明並回應各委員的提案內容請 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
2607.202 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
2624.101 |
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主席 各位委員先進 大家好今日貴委員會審查行政院含情審議使用牌照稅法第五條條文修正草案以及大院各委員還有台灣民眾黨黨團分別擬具的使用牌照稅法相關條文修正草案等29案 |
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2625.402 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
2649.438 |
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本部僅做簡要的報告以及說明進行指教為了達成政府119年運具電動化階段性的目標以及實現2050淨零排放的願景那麼我們參採了114年9月5號修正公佈的貨物稅條例第12條之五的實施期限延長電動車免徵使用牌照稅的實施期限5年到119年12月31日 |
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2652.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
2665.596 |
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大院各委員以及台灣民眾黨團所凝聚的使用牌照稅法第五條的修正草案修正意旨和行政院的版本大致是相同的僅有部分委員建議延長電動車免徵使用牌照稅的年限到120年底 |
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| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
2673.627 |
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還有或者是授權行政院得延長電動車免徵使用牌照稅的年限或者是電動車限額免稅等略有差異那麼為了鼓勵民眾選擇低污染車輛然後合理的兼顧車輛產業的發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
2707.617 |
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并且考量租税优惠那么应该达成合理的政策目的为限建议是以行政院的版本来做推动另外大院部分委员以及台湾民众党团所拟据的使用牌照税法第七条的修正草案是扩大了免征使用牌照税范围分别建议征列有同居适时的其他亲属 |
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2708.177 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
2718.847 |
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或者是年滿65歲身心障礙者的同一戶籍親屬也就不限於二親等以內的那麼身障者同性婚姻配偶的同一戶籍二親等以內親屬所有 |
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2724.23 |
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共身障者使用的車輛以及共長期照顧的身心失能者使用的車輛可以免徵使用牌照稅那麼考量同居適時認定有他的困難恐怕會產生徵納的爭議另外同性婚姻的一方與他方的血親無准用民法有關撫養義務規定的情形 |
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2743.266 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
2746.929 |
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和現行使用牌照稅法規定供身障者使用車輛免稅是以同一個戶籍二親等親屬負有照顧義務的情況是不同的那另外依現行的使用牌照稅法的規定持有身心障礙證明的失能者使用的車輛 |
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2782.01 |
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以及社會福利團體機構載送失能者的車輛是可以免徵使用牌照稅的而且現在對於長照服務內容已經包含了長照個案使用目的交高的基本交通需求那麼再者使用牌照稅是我們地方政府重要的收入擴大免稅的範圍恐怕會影響地方建設的財源 |
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2785.27 |
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2795.137 |
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因此我們建議維持現行的條文以上報告以及說明敬請各位委員指教謝謝好 謝謝部長好 |
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2804.946 |
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2824.058 |
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那我們現在開始詢答先做以下宣告每位初期委員發言時間8分鐘必要時得延長2分鐘每位列席委員發言時間5分鐘今日上午10時截止發言登記我們現在依登記順序請登記第一位的林德福委員質詢 |
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2869.923 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
謝謝謝謝主席請莊部長請莊部長委員長莊部長早有關於這個電動車101年起免徵使用牌照稅到今天這個已經14年那也 |
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2872.321 |
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造成很多地方政府其實他們也是就是稅收收入遞減那本期是贊成說就是為了整個達成我們推動電動車能夠普及來淨零排碳的目標這樣的一個政策這個當然要全國全力的來推動才會達成但是 |
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這個因為地方政府有一些他長期就會造成他的稅損就是稅務上的減少那要是說減了以後陳如剛剛這個陳超明陳委員有提到能用其他的方式來補貼像人員發展基金還有 |
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這個溫室氣體的管理基金或者是編列公務預算來彌補這些地方的這個稅收的減少我認為是一個方式那個部長你的看法呢是委員這個質詢有關使用牌照稅是地方稅那收入當然是歸地方所有那麼在使用牌照稅法裡面是規定地方政府得 |
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免徵這個使用牌照稅那這個部分當然地方政府可以依據他執行的財政狀況以及政策的一個目的來做考量那當然使用電動車免徵牌照稅這個部分呢 |
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可以減輕相關的污染我知道 問題是你中央請客地方出錢問題我們是希望說用這些基金可以彌補而且又達到淨零排碳因為讓它能夠雙門齊立你不要硬是說這是地方的稅收地方自己要去一定要怎麼樣去配合對於現在有關溫室氣體 |
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相關的法律裡面未來會有所謂的基金那這個基金的運用那在環境部裡面會有所規劃我想這個部分委員的建議是不是可以 |
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今天有環境部的同仁話也許可以納入一個反正你就把這個這個納進去考量啦我是希望說因為你像新北市政府他整個下來大概這個預估稅損就是減少了會稅損到38億這些年來那我認為說對地方政府講實在話當然他是減少他原來的這個 |
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稅的收入當然地方建設就會遞減那我認為相輔相成啦這個我希望部長能夠納進去考量那部長因為你這一次有去參加APEC財長會議以區域永續成長與共享團融為主題 |
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各經濟代表這個針對全球及這個區域經濟以及金融情勢財政政策以及數位金融等這些議題做一些意見交換那部長因為你也與會那我請問會中參與國家的代表對當前以及未來經濟情勢主要有哪些的看法謝謝委員我想在APEC財長會議裡面相關的經濟體 |
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都對於這個主題都有所發表一些意見那包含比如說美國他也正在積極改善自己從疫情以後他的一個債務上升的一個情形然後推行相關的放寬的管制同時也為企業提供有關投資的誘因還有促進基礎建設的投資那麼日本也表示他們國家的財政狀況也逐漸的改善了 |
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會持續的推動因應通膨的一個政策韓國也致力在推動AI轉型還有創新並且推動AI的教育降低數位的落差而我們也在這個會上裡面來表達我們國內的一個經濟狀況那很重要就是說我們說明的就是說因為AI的一個整個高效能運算的一個需求 |
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所以我們的出口非常的暢旺比其他年度都來得高那這個出口的暢旺然後支撐了我國的經濟的成長當然除了這個我們的資通訊科技的一個發達之外其他的產業部分的產業仍然有不是那麼好當然因為第一個關稅的因素還有匯率的一個變動等等的一個因素但是政府也推出了相關的一個有關支持產業 |
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安定就業以及照顧民生以及強化韌性等特別條例來讓我們的其他產業也能夠持續的發展那同時在財政政策裡面我們也強調的說明我國對於財政的管理是用非常嚴謹的態度來指引因此我們的債務比佔GDP的比例從36%一直下降到今年底24%這是我們一關對於非常審慎的態度來做我們的財政的一個管控 |
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我想這個部分是剩餘其他的國家同時我們的財政政策裡面包含用所謂的PPP也就是引進民間的來投資強化我們的基礎建設然後能夠帶動經濟成長那麼更加增加的稅收以及同時循環可以做更好的建設我想這個部分我們都把我國的經驗以及成果在會上來做表達 |
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那個部長APEC部長及的會議在會後發表聯合聲明強調促進整個貿易投資和提升供應鏈韌性用來強化區域的連結那部長就您的了解APEC國家當中有哪些國家這個台灣可以再加強貿易的投資有哪些國家 |
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我想對於加強我們的貿易投資的部分是政府一直在推動的部分我們會和理念相近的國家持續來推動貿易投資比如說新南向國家裡面就有9個是APEC的會員那也都是我們新南向政策裡面積極投資的對象那你認為哪些國家是我們重要的目標我想很多一些國家都是可以而且這個供應鏈的佈局也有關係那我們在產業在設置在海外投資的時候都會考量 |
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客戶的需求我想这个是重要的那你要是说没有哪些重点的国家那我请问你你认为台湾目前是不是其他EPIC国家加强贸易投资的目标是不是当然里面的会员的经济体都是我们在这里面可以去表达我们跟其他国家的一个友善以及我们国家是一个可以信任的伙伴 |
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部長 其次你要提升供應鏈的韌性你認為台灣有哪些優勢跟吸引力供應的韌性就是我們在產業裡面的供應鏈其實是分工的相當的一個精密而且我們的良率是非常高的我想台灣的經驗是一個非常值得再推廣的部長 |
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你像那個林信義表示APEC與匯中許多國家的領袖紛紛向台灣表達合作的意願並且特別用落花盛開蝴蝶自來的氛圍來強調不少經濟體都主動來向台灣 |
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就是汲取經驗那部長明年APEC峰會將由中國大陸來主辦外界都關注臺灣要如何確保公平參與部長就您的瞭解兩岸目前對立的這個情形升高的態勢請問部長你認為臺灣這朵花明年在APEC到底開不開的城開不開的城我們是APEC的會員 |
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在所有的會員在經濟體在這個APEC裡面應該是平等的再次平等的那你有沒有信心嘛明年對岸在那裡召開因為我們現在政府幾乎很多政策都是跟對岸對幹真的是對幹而且你看那個陸委會有跟沒有一樣 |
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真的很糟糕在APEC里面它主要是以财政经济等等的主题我们会以这样的一个主题来分享我们的经验然后来听取其他国家的分享的一个相关经验 |
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以及整體的區域的一個趨勢的走向部長有媒體報導中國外交部駁斥了台灣對於明年由中國主辦的亞太經濟合作會議APEC安全問題的擔憂來強調台灣能否參與 |
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取決於是否遵守既定的慣例一中原則那我請問部長以中國的回應內容就你自己的看法台灣明年參加APEC領袖級的和部長級會議的機會高不高你認為呢 |
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如果是一個APEC的主辦國它必須要有一定的一個高度然後對於所有參與這個APEC的會員國的經濟體都必須以平等而且給予尊嚴來我們在這樣情況下去參與 |
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我是認為啦當然我們希望能夠參加但是以目前整個政府的氛圍那跟對岸處處就是反正坐梗對立嘛對不對我們真的很擔憂明年到底成不成我真的打一個問號好 謝謝委員好 謝謝林德福委員 |
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接下來請吳秉瑞委員質詢主席麻煩請財政部莊部長請莊部長委員好 |
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不讓找今天的使用牌照稅關於電動車的部分基本上大家幾乎都沒有什麼意義因為要配合的政策而且要本來就是檢討其他的相關的領域都已經到119年12月底了所以大家應該都不會有什麼意義比較另外的就是有個別的提案關於身障者 |
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當身障者保護身心障礙者是我們照顧社會弱勢的一個好意但是它裡面有提到說這個同一戶籍然後裡面的這個親屬或是兩親等裡面的親屬那就延免牌照稅這個目的是要讓身心障礙者獲得保護而如果這樣修正會你會不會覺得這樣擴大到了身心障礙者的家屬 |
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一同居住的這些親屬都會變成免稅的這個那這樣會不會太寬 |
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是的 確實如委員所說的我覺得這個身心障礙者使用或者是所有的所擁有的車輛給使用牌照稅的免徵這個部分就是為了要保護身心障礙者他可以降低他的一些稅負的一個負擔那因此在現行的法律裡面其實已經有相關的規範包含他如果他有身心障礙的手冊然後他也有駕照的話 |
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那麼也是他的車輛那他就這個部分就可以免徵但是如果說他自己沒有辦法擁有駕照但他裡面同一個戶籍二親等以內的親屬所有那這個車輛也是供我們聲音障礙者朋友使用的話那就可以免徵這個目的真正是讓這個聲音障礙者能夠用而不是說讓他的親屬 |
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可以免徵牌照稅目的是讓他所有讓他擁有的或他真正給他使用的那你在同一個戶籍二清等裡面是真的跟他比較有親近的關係而且有照顧一個事實所以這個情況下是來做那如何基徵租稅也是有成本的那是不是符合這個要件基徵是稅捐處呢還是國稅局 |
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這個是地方稅因此有地方的稅捐基金機關來徵客那稅捐基金機關有辦法落實去查核是不是真的有在那邊居住嗎我如果只是戶籍放在這裡然後事實上也沒有跟身心障礙者一起居住就算是2000等內的親屬其實也不符合這個規定嘛 |
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因為你的目的 你剛剛講立法的意思是要照顧身心障礙者啊不是要照顧身心障礙者的親屬嘛那假設他戶籍跟身心障礙者放在一起那他屬然符合清等的規定那他名下的這些汽車是不是車輛也免這個牌照稅嗎這個不符合立法意思所以必須核實嘛對不對 |
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这个部分我想因为在核实上我们其实这样的一个相关委员的建议我们有请地方政府表达意见基本上认为在这个核实上尤其是要有同居逝世这个部分比较困难因此就法条才规定是以同一户籍因为这样在认定上会比较简便然后户籍一般来说都是要经过登记所以就是会出现漏洞因为常常媒体的批评 |
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事實上那輛車是身心障礙者的兩親等內的親屬 |
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所有不是身心障礙者在用然後它只是戶籍放在一起而已那這跟立法一直其實不符合的但是事實上這也是剛剛我講到另外一個矛盾的問題就是因為你的稅捐基金也是有成本如果你要每一台車都去認定都要去看看它是不是有同居的事實這會增加非常多的勞費所以現在採用這樣子的狀況如果這樣子再無限擴大的話我是覺得 |
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我個人認為這樣子的話將來出現這樣這個有漏洞的狀況會更多會被更批評的更厲害而且我跟你講批評不會批評稅券計政處大家都想到說這使用牌照稅是中央立法然後都怪到你頭上來是不是會有這樣的狀況變成你要被黑鍋所以這個你要慎重思考 |
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第二個我要問你我上次在總諮詢的時候問跨境電商落地的狀況院長有答應要盡快讓淘寶拼多多這個必須要在台灣裡面要落地不一定是他本身他設立的公司來台灣落地這樣才能夠做電商你們確定有多久嗎 |
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沒有錯如同委員所說的就是境外電商來台目前因為沒有開放中資來台經營電商所以他沒有做落地的登記那這個部分究竟要怎麼樣處理涉及到速發部以及經濟部的相關的登記的規定因此這個部分已經折成速發部會同相關部會那當然經濟部以及我們財政部也一起會參與這個部分目前 |
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這個部分是不是請我們關務室做一個補充說明是 包委員據我了解應該是前天院長有找書發布等等的相關機關去開會我覺得經濟部的那個回答我實在是頭很大這個把頭埋進沙子裡面沒有看到然後就逃避問題然後就當問題不存在你有在台灣落地的像 |
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這些蝦皮coupon我現在光談消費者保護的部分如果我收到加害的商品我還可以跟他們求償然後經濟部的講法說因為中國電商不能在台灣經營所以沒有落地的問題沒有落地的問題問題他一直在賣啊那除非你學教育部說把那個T-talk |
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那個網域把它封掉不然每一個台灣人在上上電商的網站的時候都可以看得到拼多多廣告還做那麼大每天做鋪天蓋地的廣告然後掏寶結果每一個月買幾萬件幾十萬件的這個包裹再寄進來然後說不用登錄那反而守法的要負擔更多的成本那不守法的就完全放任他不管這個態度是不對的喔 |
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卓院長還有部長也在場 答應我的事情要趕快去進行這個是為了保護台灣的消費者我們的消費者萬一買到對自己有加害的商品我還有一個地方可以求償我還可以對落地公司而且我請你財政部去開會的時候你要主張我的講法要有適當的資本額他不是拿一個百萬台幣在台灣落個地 |
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那是不夠的他賣多少商品你對他落地的這個公司要求的這個資本額要有一定的保障在我來看沒有十一二十一是絕對不夠的因為他每一年賣的商品這麼多而且那個加害商品如果一來是整批的你們看到最近法國就出了一個例子法國警告他他就立刻去賣那個 |
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那個什麼未成年的那個小孩子那個什麼情趣用品那個形象的情趣用品然後就被法國警告這中國的電商就他當然嘴巴上都很會講說我趕快下架 |
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事實上做不到吧我們台灣也一直在告訴他你說有非洲豬瘟疫區的肉品不可以銷售到台灣來他也是滿口保證但是事實上是不是賣了很多來光你們查獲的就很多了嘛 署長 是不是你們查獲多少件今年到現在為止應該有850件的豬肉製品了 |
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850件嘛 他不是 那是被你查獲的喔如果沒有查獲的還更多喔因為你查獲 你不可能百分之百查獲嘛你很努力我知道 但是你也不可能百分之百查獲那每一次跟他講 講官話說我們一定嚴格禁止這個疫區的肉品賣到台灣去我們會跟他下架 也沒有用啊所以如果不來落地 要學這個 |
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對TikTok這樣子把它的網軍給封了讓台灣的消費者看不到拼多多看不到淘寶自然就不能購買你可不可以同意這樣的做法你在開會的時候你要做這樣的主張啊速發部在開會的時候這個技術都已經成熟了教育部都做得到了速發部跟財政部沒有道理做不到啊對不對 |
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這個部分行政院有要求出發部這個部分包含廣告的推播這個不斷的一直推播廣告但是它又有不合法的情況所以這個部分部會會聯合起來一起來做規範我跟你講你們如果沒有拿出任何作為因為他在境外 他在中國他根本完全不怕啦你就把那個網域給封了之後他急於要打開這個網域就換他來跟你談 |
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你沒有這樣做是他站在優勢你站在被動他理都不理你你只有學教育部這個方法把它封了之後他發現說你怎麼都沒有訂單他了解問題之後他趕快來跟你談到底該怎麼做所以既然部長 |
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既然署長有講說已經有要求書包括趕快開會我第一個要求趕快開會第二個我的主張你在會中你要講說至少要幫我轉達到因為我沒有資格去參加那個會議是你們部長之間的會議你們部會之間的會議是要轉達我的意見你要站在主動的立場而不是被動的去因應 |
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你要主動的做之後他才會急著要來趕快跟你談一一一一又是這個什麼光棍節又是要開始大量賣貨物每年都說賣幾百億來你們現在一一一一如果這樣子讓他沒有辦法不落地然後賣這些商品賣幾百億喔這個社會大眾又會很有意見加油喔 謝謝好 委員的意見我們會去表達好 謝謝吳秉瑞委員接下來請賴思寶委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席以及各位先進有請財政部的莊部長請莊部長這個夢樓人員有需要可以來幫忙沒關係這個今天開始普罰現金登記對不對 |
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預登記嘛那裡面大家就很怕被詐騙所以這裡面有校戰所責說不要點簡訊不要跟LINE連結不要ATM轉帳可以去ATM領錢但是不要轉帳指認 這是我重點指認.gov.tw指認這個可是呢 |
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我看到的是你們原來就有推出一個東西你們推出一個東西是.com.tw你們網站是這個網站結果政府都gov結果你們沒有gov你看一下個人的網站普發現金登記網站雖然你這裡是什麼test可是 |
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一般的就是因為有民眾給我檢舉他說不是講這個要指認GOV嗎怎麼這個不是GOV怎麼會這樣子呢你要不要解釋一下或者是哪一位長官幫忙解釋一下到底是怎樣這關係老百姓的權利我們一再說明網站只有E1.gov.tw |
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僅此一家 別無分號那這個網站是來自於書發部還是這你們的 這財政部的那財政部沒有這個網站有啦 你這個你看機關名稱財政部國庫署網站名稱叫做普發現金登記網站網址 |
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怎麼沒有呢我們普發先進的網站就只有10000.gov.tw所有不是這樣的網址的都會被我們封鎖所以這個是假的 對可是那是標章資訊耶這個來看的話這是標章資訊你們去 |
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你們後來撤掉了啦我現在跟你講一個我聽你講答案你們發現問題你們把它撤掉啦才說10000.gov.tw啦是這個啦 |
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沒有 就只有一個只有一個 所以正是假的就只有一個 對對對所以正是假的對 假的正是假的不是這個E1.gov.tw都不是真的都不是用來發E1的好 那上會去做網路上去搜尋如果有類似的我們都會處理你們現在開放每天兩個 深圳兩個 後面兩個數字嘛 |
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那上一次上網大概935萬人那五天 你是五天登記嘛所以平均每一天大概100萬人你們有沒有做過壓力測試因為你換了 這次整套都換囉這次整套因為你們未來消化預算整套換了其實用上一套就好了你們不用上一套 應該花錢重新搞一套重新搞一套 有沒有做過壓力測試 |
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當然有做壓力測試而且把頻寬都加大目前來說過去我們112年的時候大概一天平均是65萬人現在平均100萬算起來到現在為止你知道多少人嗎部長我查了到現在at this moment 20萬 |
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20萬 現在才多少9點開放到現在就一個小時不到一個小時不到20萬啦按照這樣算的話一天超過100萬啦這一次我們在蘇發部在做規劃設計都有把它平衡都放大我沒有做過壓力測試一天最大平衡可以到多少200萬還是300萬還是500萬 |
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財政部你一直開口閉口說要提財化法什麼時候可以出爐 |
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年底前一定會出爐那出爐的過程當中是不是跟各地方政府都討論過了財政部其實已經開過了四次的會議他們都 各縣市都同意你這種版本嗎我們已經做了一個最大的共識因為有一個 |
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345億 現在又有民進黨的委員提出來說要怎麼用啊用在做月子啊 用在補助這個補助那個啦345億 但不要忘了喔這裡面離島可能就要拿掉220億喔 |
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沒有這麼多沒有剩這麼多剩100多億而已345億是因為公視的問題沒有辦法分配出去這樣子要怎麼處理你們認為該怎麼處理要修法才能做345億要怎麼分配其實這個財務法本身是給地方政府的再怎麼修都應該給地方政府這是一個中心思想 |
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就是我再怎麼修都應該給地方政府因為財務法本來就是中央給地方的這是我跟你強調的事實上也沒有這麼多因為我們只同意修一條1613以後如果還有剩的要立什麼法要來發什麼那個再說我們再看APEC期間 |
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有財長會議我知道你這次APEC期間你並沒有並沒有去嘛對不對你是前面去前面財長會議去後面沒有嗎我參加第一個就是財長會議一整天嘛那第二天有一個結構部長跟財政部長雙部長會議的早上半天接下來就是結構部長會議那結構部長會議整個是由我們國發會主委代表 |
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4508.816 |
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4529.476 |
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你見到的美國的官員是什麼等級的他們是副部長出席美國副助理部長來出席副助理部長不是副部長副助理部長跟你見面我們在這裡已經討論了不知道幾次講了幾次了從前年開始答應一直到去年又到現在 |
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那你有沒有跟他再談有沒有再跟他談台美租稅協定在那個場合我們有跟他提就是說台美的租稅協定是雙方大家各界都希望能夠盡快簽署的那這部分希望能夠在他們國內能夠他有沒有給你一點也感謝他們的財政部跟我們的財政部其實我們都有做工作小組技術性的持續在做交流跟討論 |
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他有沒有給你一個具體的承諾說希望大概什麼時候可以過我想這個部分涉及他們國會的以他們的財政部也很難去肯定告訴我們所以今年不可能國會是一定會通過今年現在11月了而且整個美國政府都停擺了 |
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對不對 你應該很了解美國目前的狀況但是我方其實一直都沒有我知道 所以今年底 透過各種管道今年底又沒有了你這個題目已經講了兩年了對 這個題目我們雙方都其實都很希望我那是講了兩年了我都講到我都不好意思了還要跟你一直講同樣題目我都抱歉一直問 |
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對不對 這都沒有答案但是委員的關切其實是可以表達我們代表國內的民意希望能夠盡快的簽署我們台美租金協定因為美國AIT的人說不定也在看也不一定講給他們聽所以我們這裡希望趕快簽委員的關切其實就是表達我們的國內民意最後一個小題目 |
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也不算小題目了 現在民間的精精病什麼 規模越來越大我們的犯公股 相對的排名就越來越後面了你有沒有 比如說 比如這樣講 第一金 兆豐金他都沒有受選 他老實講不夠完完全 變成一個金空那你有沒有想要推動公併施 |
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公私并私人的私有没有这样的计划就是说公股跟民间的去并民间的我想这个部分要综合的一个评估要有中效而且能够可以复补我们比较弱的部分那当然由金控可以去做评估那财政部基本上是看他们评估出来的结果可以给予因为现在民间都一直 |
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事實病越來越大我們的競爭力相對就會低就會受到影響所以我希望你能不能夠提出一個你的評估報告可不可以就是說要不要推動公司病你答案可以說不要暫時不要也可以或者說你準備想要都可以 |
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你答案給我一個時間表什麼時候可以給我好 我們會給委員一個評估報告大概什麼時候給我們三個月時間好嗎一個月啦 三個月那我們還要去彙整各個航庫的意義好了 那就兩個月好了可以吧 兩個月兩個月提出要不要我們財政部要不要推動公私併公私併對 公私併的計畫好不好 評估一下好 我們評估好 謝謝委員好 謝謝賴司保委員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
接下來我們請郭國文委員質詢主席有請莊部長請莊部長委員好 |
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| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
部長好 我想今天討論的使用牌照稅法本席有提案我想跟其他委員的爭議性不大那我覺得想要探討的部分有幾點第一個我想要問一下部長最近這個國票監控的這個爭議在整個報章媒體上不斷的浮現出來那甚至有不同的這個系統兩邊有不同主流非主流的系統當中也希望 |
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| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
政府能夠來做主導 免得三年一亂後來每年都持續上演這個部分其實就本身公股之所以這麼積極的介入整個國票的這個監控的案子明年的主導選將揭曉但是依照目前為止進場蠻多的就我知道進場蠻多 我側面去了解 |
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但我要問的是說站在整個公股主導的角色不是在跟特定的一個家族合作它主要是要健全整個國票金扣那第一階段你取得主導權之後你第二階段的方式我就覺得是你介入的一個重要的關鍵性也就是說你到底要把國票金扣把它正常化畢竟現在國票金扣是七行的發展它沒有銀行做主體 |
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| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
4829.621 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
沒有一個監控是這樣子那或者他要跟另外一個銀行來做一個搭配來形成另一個監控我很想知道部長你的態度是怎麼樣方向是怎麼樣 政策是怎麼樣 |
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| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
4852.871 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
是 請具體回答我想這個部分對於國票金控這個部分公股有一些買入它的股票股數的部分那我想大家也都了解那我想最重要還是如同委員剛剛所說的是要把這個國票金控的公私治理如果能夠做得更做好 |
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| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
4871.645 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
我想這個是最主要的一個我們未來在裡面的股權的時候公司治理當然是要做好然後公司治理不做好到底我現在問你是方向上你不是單純的介入現在的主流跟非主流的派系而是你有一個清楚的目標要把整個國泰的國票金控把它健全化有沒有這個目標 |
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| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
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是这个目标是这个目标的话那就有两个方向一个是单独把这些国票金控把它健全化或者是跟其他来做组合那这个都是我觉得第一个是健全化未来的组合都是可以考虑的方向都不排除这个可能性对没错这要对外说明清楚好不好不是说变成是整个公股去介入单纯的这个公司派或市场派的一个行为好不好我觉得部长你要站在一个高度对这个问题要出来澄清 |
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不能蒙不吭聲 不發言或迴避另外一個部分像財法法的部分本席就一直非常關心你看財法法你一直說拖到年底的時候要出來我剛剛就接到一個通知國民黨團待會十點要開會了說延宕召開延宕財法修法民進黨罔顧政治承諾記者會你知道這個嗎我剛剛已經傳簡訊給你了 |
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你知道你就一个本来乱修法通过的版本应该是对于这个要修法的态度是相对保守的一个被乱修法的一个执行单位行政单位应该要积极去修法的反而一个该急的不急一个该不急的却很急你不觉得很错乱吗 |
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部長跟委員報告我想財化法大概都我們現在已經到了差不多後續的一個階段那應該就會在今年底以前會送出來的院版的版本那在水平分配的部分我們也四次召開跟地方政府的會議那在垂直部分呢院裡面也已經跟各部會去討論有關事權回歸地方的部分都已經討案到一個程度 |
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事权还有包括香港法律修正简单的讲像地方制度法就一定要修嘛对 回归到地方自治的事项对 那么这种连带的这种财权跟事权的发挥要去面对你年底要压出来的话那你有没有可能在这个会议通过有没有打算我们当然希望这个会议能够通过有这个目标嘛那有这个目标之前在你法案提出来之前你可能各党派要稍微沟通一下好不好那另外一个部分回到我今天要跟你另外还有一个跟你 |
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質詢的一個內容當中目前整個發展來說我們台灣的整個產業發展的速度那個發展速度非常快在AI的部分大家都全民共享但是整個台灣的社會發展卻越來越兩極化M型的一個社會發展就本席看到的這一個部分的資料財務差距的貧富差距的部分從16倍到變66倍你看 |
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從家庭財富所得的部分其他的欄位都是倍數成長 部長對不對最高20%是3.93倍人居的部分是3.67倍可是家庭財富最低的20%的部分卻馬拉死有沒有看到 部長這個部分的情況底下顯然我們過去的歲次想要達到這個財富重複配失能嘛 |
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沒有這個效果你可能有減稅到一部分人但是你不能分配到給其他的人那你這種情況底下有沒有可能對於這些人來說你去做一個調查這些人在目前為止經濟弱勢者的這20%當中有沒有還有承受哪一些稅務負擔 |
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譬如讲他可能还有其他的你现在很多的税金都是综合所得税在减免对这些人是无感的一来他是低所得后来他无所得你有没有其他的方式来减免减少他们在这个税务的负担有没有可能 |
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我想跟委员报告所得税制的优化其实已经推动了从107年逐步逐项在推动那也跟委员报告目前来说44%的家户其实目前都没有缴纳所得税那至于您提到就是说这个家庭最低20%再去了解他有哪一些还继续在缴税 |
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这个部分我想我们这个可能要跟那个组总这边来做讨论一下麻烦 麻烦财政部跟组总那边了解一下你一个月做一份报告给本席要如何减轻这些人让经济弱势者没有这样的负担 有没有可能 |
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我想我们会跟主总在这边聊一下好不好我一个月等你的报告还有另外一个部分整个产业发展非常的不平均整个明明知道那个贸易逆差的结果是来自于这一个科技创造大幅的粗糙但是你要克了关税的对象却是传产跟农业 |
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傳統農業都是在中南部那本席就要講每次看到這一個部分我們在地方上一些退稅的方式要協調地方政府退稅的速度都非常的慢再加上這是天災我看到這個條款天災列入這個扣除額的部分提列損失的部分分五年但是個人的損失就只有當年度列舉扣除 |
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部長 一樣天災平凡的日本他們的企業跟個人都已經是五年了甚至他想要把這個天災平凡的部分再把這五年繼續延長我們財政部有沒有可能朝向這個方式也就是個人跟企業都是用五年的方式而且要朝延長的方式的修考來進行修法本席會修法 我想要先聽你的意見 |
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我想个人的部分目前是当年度扣减就是如同委员所说的那我想这个部分委员的提案不合理那您认为要在5年的延长5年可以扣减那这个部分我们这个部分我们再来考量看好不好再来考量看看不排除我们再跟委员再做一个讨论不排除对不对跟委员做一个讨论有道理一样天灾平凡的日本都是已经都是5年了对不对这是第一个而且他们还要再延长 |
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他们要再延长所以说这个修法的部分我们要思考一下要跟进脚步我们参考一下国外的案例也再跟委员在座讨论本席就跟你讲日本的案例了不排除好不好来进行修法可以吧再跟委员讨论 对不对 |
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連修法的態度都不敢講實在是 歷史都幫你舉出來了還有 如果連後面這個這個其實是老問題這載具的部分弄了載具之後還要有一個紙本的迷信這明明是在統一發票以後就可以列入了電子發票的部分的實施作業當中有沒有真正的落實化無紙化的可能性部長 |
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我们这个部分存入载具就是五指化那又任由明细这个部分涉及到厂商他们有的时候他自己会有的还拉出一大堆的那个广告出来看你有没有可能在修法作业里头来要求要求他都不要出明细明细就放在电子发票就好了有的电子发票里头就有了 |
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對啊 這一片處理嘛免得真的很麻煩你去看那個櫃檯一大堆紙就丟到那邊那個中心有沒有以前我記得也曾經有討論過這樣的討論過還沒有執行啊有 那個你知道嗎我想請問 請我們中心 |
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主任那跟委員報告那針對這個電子發票實施作業要點裡面其實它已經規範廠商可以不用附這個明細那只是因為在不同的場合之下的消費情境不一樣舉例來說到了大賣場那可能很多的客戶呢他還是習慣在出這個櫃台的時候對一下有哪一些貨品 |
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那針對像這些超商賣場的部分我們都有極力的去宣導對 宣導不足嘛就是你既然要無職化你就要宣導你就辦法都已經修了你就宣導的問題嘛 好不好最後一個問題我問一下部長這個跟那個放寬入境免稅的這一個酒類的部分 |
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當初我在看到的時候我在上半年的時候看到的時候所有的宣傳你們因為這一個預算的一個刪除來不及做新的宣傳的影片但是到六月份了你們新的宣傳影片終於出來了可以吸納這個1.5公斤的這一個酒類進來到上個月底 十月底因為華航的班級上面還在播放舊的一公升的影片這到底是什麼一回事 |
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你不是修法通过了吗对 已经修法通过我想这个部分我们再做已经搞了一年了好不好我们再来 再去盘点一下对 你们难道这个沟通上有问题吗有什么困难上次说预算的问题那这是什么问题好 谢谢委员的提示我们这个部分再来盘点赶快去做调整是谢委员的提示好 谢谢郭国文委员谢谢部长接下来我们请赖会员委员咨询 |
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謝謝主席 有請我們的財政部莊部長還有台南市財稅局專門委員台南市的莊委員好 李文文 |
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部長 首先本席要肯定這一次使用牌照稅的第5條修正草案就肯定 可是這樣的一個修法當然我們目的是要讓電動車就是可以把它那個整個運具把它電動化那甚至我們也支持就是說2050近年排碳的一個國家的一個目的那事實上就是說 |
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全國的地方政府已經減少90億的地方稅收了這減少了90億的地方稅收然後我們來支持就是說在延長5年在延長5年的這一個法的一個修正那首先我想我先請教一下那個台南市政府那個財稅局那個李專委 |
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因為你們的支持支持中央的一個這樣的政策所以你每一年台南市少收了多少錢我們今年的話少了6億14年那整個今年少了2億那整個政策下來是少了6億不好意思今年少2億然後 |
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一年少兩億 對來那個專委你看一下那個我的那個投影片裡頭這個是你們台南市政府的一個稅務局稅務局的一個公文是那你們講了就是在這個說明裡頭就是說 |
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稅收的損失累計將達二十億九千萬那是說未來五年未來的五年嘛 對所以你一年少收了兩億嘛是好 謝謝來 那個李專委你請回部長 是這個我們你知道一台那個油車大概多少錢起跳用牌照稅啊 |
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一台油車賣了多少錢基本上還是要看它是哪一種車款或者是就大概1500CC的大概要百萬那這個電動車大概就是150萬以上的電動車 |
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那150萬以上的電動車跟500萬的電動車我們有沒有分級去扣他的這個那個牌照稅在電動車沒有應該是沒有所以免就是就沒有分級了就是我們是一致性的嘛一致性的那好今天要跟部長探討的就是說這個有錢的人不用繳稅一般的人要繳稅 |
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這個顯然好像不是非常的合理部長每一年我們花了這麼多的錢地方政府就是在這五年我們可能會少收掉我們少收掉那個300 |
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376億的稅收流失掉了在全國的地方政府然後我們拿來補貼這一些就是配合我們的政策就是說要減能減碳然後這一些電動車那這樣子的一個方式那你有沒有算到就是說他每一年二氧化碳的那個排放量減少了多少 |
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這個部分應該環境部或經濟部都有計算對 它的統計裡面一下請主長補充一下是 我們覺得根據經濟部所做的稅市支出評估它可以未來5年可以減少310萬公餅的燃油消耗量還有739萬公噸的二氧化碳排放量到的第二頁了 第二頁了好 |
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這個好像是邏輯性其實我聽了不太懂那事實上就是說差了多少你二氧化碳的排放量你少了多少這個數據應該是要很明確的讓我們知道那這樣子我們持續一直5年5年的來修法這個才有意思因為所有現在在全國的這個地方政府的財稅局都在這個地方他們少收了 |
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因為要負擔了配合中央的一個政策少收了很多的一個地方稅這地方稅是壓榨到他們的長照他們的教育還有他們的零零總總就像你看台南這五年少收了20.6億那有沒有一個就是比較公平的一個方式呢 |
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是不是應該要有一個分級式的一個減稅的制度不然你只要是買電動車不管是1000CC 1500CC 3000CC減的稅都是一樣的這樣有道理嗎我想聽聽你們的一個建議 |
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是謝謝委員的提示我想這個部分您認為說應該要有一個更公平的也就是說你買的更高價的其實你有享受更高的一個減稅的利益那這個部分委員的建議也許我們可以可以再遵循經濟部以及環境部這方面的一個意見那看要怎麼樣的方式更為合理你看你這個稅務是倒退你買電動車你可以享受免貨物稅免牌照稅免燃料稅的多重優惠 |
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那這樣子的一個政策的設計就是在一個框框環保我們要追求環保這個也都有道理可是如果長期一直這樣下去的話我覺得 |
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不是非常的合理所以我们的租税优惠都定有一定的期限就是期限到什么时间然后在这个期限届满前可以做一些检讨跟调整不是 你如果每年每年都有一个当然你每年都会有一个检讨每5年就是一个检讨每5年就是一个检讨那你讲它就是说电动车的成长率每年是30它的成长率是30%在成长 |
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那现在到底电动车它所占的市场的那个percent有多少这个你们也要跟我们报告啊我们在那个税市支出评估里面都提出来那我们大概统计的结果到今年的9月电动车大概有12万0834辆而电动机车大概有79万4000辆你这个电动车占的比例这个成长的比例到底占了几趴对成长占了几趴 |
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我看你寫說是每年30%那你一年30%那是不是到了第二年的時候會不會有60%也就是說他成長的比例那我為什麼要同意讓你延到2030年這沒有道理你保障有錢人 |
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委員就是說成長的比例因為你知道所有的人大概都是買100萬的電油車你要跳到電動車的話就是要150萬起跳剛才我在跟你陳述的溝通的就是這樣的一個道理委員的理念是 |
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你了解我的理念好 謝謝那是不是有一個比較好的一個建議方式我想這個部第一個電動車我們不管在貨物稅也好在牌照稅以後給予免徵這個確實達到的一個效果就是希望能夠趕快增加就是說汰換這個 |
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燃油車然後改用電動車的一個目的同時我們也希望國內的電動車的產業能夠持續的發展鼓勵消費者買那我們的產業也能夠發展起來我覺得這也是一個很同樣的一個目的在裡面其實政策修正我是建議就是說你要延長授權給地方政府免徵這個電動車量的使用牌照稅 |
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是授權的因為他是地方稅所以地方政府得他是地方稅可是他撿不到這些錢他沒有受益到 |
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我的意思是說地方政府沒有收到這些錢那沒關係 部長我們可以會後我們再一起探討一下其實在這裡還是建議你就是說你必須要你剛才就有特別講到跨部會的一個合作我們是不是可以設置一個電動車免稅的一個補助基金 |
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那這個基金其實我們可以用來調整免稅的範圍跟對象還有你的逐步的退場機制其實你現在推動的非常好你的退場機制要出來啊是了解我想委員這個建議很好我們再跟相關的部會然後再來討論也跟委員請教 |
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再請教妳 妳有沒有建立一個成效的評估的制度那個部分都會有的因為我們在提出稅法的優惠的時候都要目的事業主管機關他提稅師支出評估然後比較具體的好不好每一年也會來 署長妳來做補充一下就是說成效評估 |
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報告委員我們現在納保法的規定都是要做稅制支出評估那像這個法案的稅制支出評估我們也會送立法院這邊參考另外我們會要求他必須要去定期揭露他整個實施的成效 |
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所以我還是要再回到一句話再請問你們就是說部長跟署長你們對於這個稅制你們是滿意的雖然它減碳的成效基本上我們看起來就是說其實我一直找不到就是一個比較具體的一個數目所有的官方的資料裡頭找不到不知道是環保局環境部他們 |
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用的方式其實是我們不了解的還是剛才署長你回答的這個我也聽不懂你要告訴我說啊這個有幾千輛的這個什麼電動車這個都太籠統了到底你的排放量你到底減少了多少我們希望有一個正確的一個數字給我們做參考好不好我們再提送報告給委員同時 |
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也看在哪應該要揭露這樣的一個成果讓全國民眾了解是嘛這樣子我們支持你的這個修法那個正當性會更強好不好謝謝委員提示謝謝部長謝謝主席好謝謝賴慧雲委員的質詢接下來我們請李彥秀委員質詢 |
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謝謝召委我可不可以請部長請莊部長 |
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委員好部長好今天雖然是貨物稅的修法但我今天早上提案報告說明我已經說得很清楚我就不再佔用時間但是我今天倒是因為時間有限我還是要請教你幾個我長期關注的議題第一個就是有關於公益出租包括包租代管的免稅額的豁免的部分 |
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賴總統為了達到居住正義因為我們現在要蓋社宅 找土地包括成本都非常非常的高所以他有兩個重要的手段就是透過公益出租人跟包租代管的制度這個制度事實上我個人非常的支持 |
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但是如何达到最好最高的效益我想在同一个办公室在这里我也跟你讨论过好几次当然我们现在也透过税制的诱因我们抑制税金的逃漏税还有我们要想办法提升房东投入市场的意愿也就是说让 |
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提供願意出租的房東更多但是根據預算中心的統計我們近五年來還有包括我們查核租賃所得的申報案件大概有將近三成的案件都要補稅 |
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那也就代表很多房東事實上是沒有繳稅的是沒有繳稅的他不願意報稅表示租屋市場逃漏稅的問題其實到現在為止還是非常的嚴重依據主計總處的調查在2020年我們的人口包括住宅普查顯示我們全台灣有87.6萬戶租屋的房戶但是在財政部綜合所得稅的列出 |
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出租所得僅只有32萬筆也就是說80萬戶扣掉32萬筆也就是說可能有50萬戶的租賃收入是沒有申報的狀況所以我們現在不斷的鼓勵房東必須要釋出出租房東把住宅空的房子 |
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是出來出租從2023年到2024年從政府申請租金補貼其實成效還不錯有將近78萬戶申請這個在內政部申請租屋的補貼但是從房屋稅跟地價稅或綜合所得稅的減免的戶數大概只有10萬戶15萬戶到26萬戶的狀況從這個數據上看就是說很多 |
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很多出租給補貼戶的房東很多都不是公益出租人所以這個部分未來我們如何增加誘因因為國家沒有太多的錢我們雖然說稅計順利但有超徵稅收但是我們有更多的地方需要運用我想這個部分你可能應該是比我還要清楚所以如何提高出租還有包租代管的意願是當務之急 |
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所以在這邊我再次的強調從內政部106年的統計實施包租代管公益出租人之後我們租賃契約有不斷的上升包括從110年我們提高免稅額之後15000塊之後我們看到擴大租金補貼之後租賃契約有大幅攀升到達60萬戶 |
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但是這樣足不足夠我覺得我上次有跟你提因為你用一萬五千塊的免稅額全體使用但是我們有城鄉的差距在台北市在雲林在苗栗他可能租金的狀況就落差非常大租金的這幾年我們也都知道民生外食族跟租金是漲幅最高的 |
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所以這個部分我覺得不能只有考慮稅損的部分我覺得在財政部立場你們都只考慮到稅損但是如果配合國家政策我們怎麼樣讓更多的人願意加入公益出租人然後把房子出租包括包租代管那什麼樣的一個提高免稅額是一個合理的狀況我覺得內政部跟財政部應該統一一起來檢討這個課題 |
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達到賴總統百萬戶就是社宅供出來我不應該講社宅供出來就是有需要的人讓大家人人都有房可以住我覺得因為現在弱勢族群越來越多我希望部長可以去考量這個議題這部長可以嗎 |
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了解謝謝委員委員大家對於希望要租房子的人都能夠租到房子我再次提醒不能只考慮到稅損對我了解除了稅損之外我們也要考慮租稅的一個公平性不能只考慮稅損那目前來說那個房東每個月租金收入的免稅額是1.5萬所以1.5萬那1.5萬的話這是參考六都直轄市的一個平均的一個租金來算出來的 |
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1.5萬那這個部分的1.5萬也跟我們所謂的租金的免稅特別扣除額是相對的是他們兩個正好也相對到18萬那這個部分我們要考慮到如果房東都收的租金不需要繳所得稅而薪資所得者都要繳所得稅部長因為我今天議題很多我說我建議找內政部一起來考量從 |
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更多的公益出租人願意加入在全國六都直轄市包括偏鄉大家都願意加入之外如何能夠用你手邊的工具手段不要只考慮到稅損如何去提高或因地制宜去做一些調整如何提高我希望用專案來討論好不好跟內政部一起來討論對 跟內政部我們用各種方法好 謝謝部長我第二個問題就是我要請問一下護理人員的獎勵金的所得 |
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總統在重要的政策跟政見特別在衛福部的部分在醫療的部分改善我們醫療人員的環境包括在去年賴總統的政見當中留住醫事人員包括讓醫護人員留在職場上留人留財是他重要的政策在去年度113年7月 |
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讓願意職業班的同仁還有包括一些負責執行這些企劃的醫護人員可以拿到一些獎勵在這邊我再一次提醒就是說去年在這一塊你們把它列入其他所得但是今年你們把它調成薪資所得 |
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在這一塊的部分當然對於稅基的部分是沒有差別但是我要再一次提醒就是說這一塊如何達到目的不要因為處理這一塊而增加醫院的負擔這一塊我希望部長可以一併納入考量因為同時你把它納入薪資所得的同時 |
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醫院也有一定的負擔在裡面所以怎麼樣去把它就是做一些權衡的考量我希望財政部在這一塊一併去做處理好 那我最後一個問題還有兩分鐘時間我要再問一下才化法的部分 |
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我覺得今天我們國民黨黨團也在開記者會我覺得從去年包括前一次我在質詢的時候雖然部長沒有來 然而次長在現場到底我們對於財化法的修法你們跟地方溝通了四次當時你們提到說地方大部分其實都覺得目前的溝通方法是可以的但是我覺得 |
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財政部是報喜不報憂另外到底114我們當時調整說我們當時修法的內容是指說今年一般性的補助款不得低於去年我要請問部長我們的修法我們說不得低於去年我們當時在三讀的版本我們指的到底是113年還114年 |
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我們的七七年到底是指113年還是114年我們修法的內容我們當時修法的目的到底是113年還是114年 |
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對 當時去年12月底三讀通過的裁劃法有提到一般性補助款不得低於前一年那所以我們的目的我們當時的目的到底修法的國民黨的版本民眾黨的版本到底目的是什麼 |
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那個目的可能我們第七年到底指的是哪一年我覺得提案的黨團的說明裡面也沒有提到是哪一年所以在計算上我們當時修法通過其實是去年通過的對 |
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那就是指113年或112年嘛對不對可是您提的這個部分有關一般性補助款在這個主總他這次在計算115年的時候他是用今年114年的2501億來算這一般性補助款的額度我們指的是不得低於去年我們指的是不得低於去年我們版本不是不得低於去年你們現在跟地方溝通是用114年的版本 |
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所以我覺得你們財政部在玩文字遊戲睜眼說瞎話如果財化法已經通過特別部長你是基層出來的你應該守法才對啊你們跟地方溝通像114年的當機期年地方是你們以上對下溝通各地方政府怎麼敢跟你們講 |
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而且違背我們地方我們在立法院修法的目的你非常清楚立法院修過的版本是什麼內容你們用這樣的方式在跟地方溝通你們就是在玩文字遊戲如果到今天為止過了大罷免如果從過去賴市長到現在的賴總統還不知民間疾苦還在玩這些文字遊戲我非常遺憾 |
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在玩兩面手法到現在還在玩政治遊戲苦苦的地方以台北市為例今年砍掉的就是學校班班有冷氣還有重要的基礎建設包括兒少老人身心障礙包括學校的電費補助 |
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這些都變成是地方買單甚至有些縣市可能因為你們這樣子一般補助款的砍掉或者是基期年你們把它認定是114年很多縣市都走不下去委員台北市的115年的中央統籌分配稅款增加452億 |
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七七年我們的版本是以113年我們的七七年是以113年也就是每一年你們都應該是比到前一年當時我們通過版本的意思是113年我非常遺憾你們到現在還在玩文字遊戲好 謝謝李彥秀委員的資訊接下來我們請顏寬恒委員資訊 |
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主席各位列席官員各位委員通知大家早主席要先請交通部趙專委經濟部邱署長交通部趙專員還有經濟部邱署長委員好 |
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大家好今天要審查是使用牌照稅法我想是沒有什麼爭議電動汽機車是國際潮流主要是因為配合永續再生以及淨零排碳今天要延長電動汽機車輛免徵使用牌照稅其實不只是要鼓勵民眾多購買 |
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電動汽機車主要是要提醒政府必須要為電動汽機車做更完善的規劃那近年來我們可以看到電動汽機車是在街上都這個變多了一個趨勢那公車也逐漸的轉型為電動化但是實際上因為整體規劃做得不夠完善所以電動汽機車的比例那我想要請問一下交通部到今天純電動車的佔比規模是多少 |
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占比跟我們報告目前電動小客車到目前總登記數大概是11萬將近12萬輛占比啦我說占比不是數量大概幾% |
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電動機車到目前為止它的登記數大概是大概是79萬將近80萬然後它的佔比大概是5.4% |
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補給率如果是按照總穿上數來看的話大概是5.4%左右5.4%所以我想這個比例是不成比例我們台灣電動車一年會比一年更加競爭Smart協會在10月底公佈電動機車政策2025 |
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民意大調查調查結果顯示說有八成的民眾要求政府應該更積極的推動這些相關政策超過半數的民眾直指政府推動力道不足現行補助效益有限已經大幅延宕這個運具 |
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電動化的進程實際上面臨購車的時候在選擇的時候民眾最重視的都是車價還有就是說政府補助這個都會影響購買意願的首要跟次要的因素從調查結果來看依現行政策的目標與實際執行之間的政策落差導致民眾認為購買力道不足交通部這邊對於電動汽機車未來有沒有更積極的規劃 |
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這個對於電動汽機車的尚未普及化中央補助就大幅縮水的情況經濟部這裡對於新購電動車有沒有考慮恢復以往補助金額這兩點請說明 |
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報告委員有關電動機車補助的部分我們今年經濟部有加大補助的力道就是說針對電動機車補助加碼1000元針對電能補充設施的部分我們是從上限30萬元增加到60萬元希望能夠增加更多的誘因鼓勵企業還有民眾他們可以多使用 |
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民眾現在的購買都轉為觀望原本想要購買就是因為政府這個政府補助的部分當然還是會考慮到選擇購買油車因為現在加油方便對不對那里程焦慮因為充電樁的不普及 |
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這要如何才能夠達成2050淨零排單的目標我覺得還是要應該要像財政部一樣大方一點有心要推動這個政策那補助就不要吝嗇尤其因為如果失去這些誘因那導致整個銷量整體大幅的下滑那你之前做的努力全部都白費掉了 |
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所以經濟部請回去研議針對這些新購電動車以及太舊換新的獎勵補助方面看能不能再加碼來恢復以前的一個補助水準好不好是那你先請回再請教交通部 |
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我們一般加油 遊車隨時到加油站加油馬上就可以解決但是因為充電樁這些充電焦慮 里程焦慮我想根據公路總局數據還有歐盟的建議電動車跟充電樁的比例應該是10比1他們建議是10比1台灣目前大概是40比1 |
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40比1相差了4倍那等於說這種量能遠遠不足所以光是這個原因那我們要買車要太舊換新他就會考慮到說這個充電的不方便還有里程焦慮等等那這個民意調查發現電動車車主使用家用充電的比例高達八成 |
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也就是我們剛剛講的這個原因所以只有兩成多的車主會在他們的社區內可能有這種設施充電樁其他的都是自行購買來安裝而且花費也非常的高昂 |
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尤其是社區 管委會這部分要跟管委會來回溝通可能時間就非常的長所以這個就是購買電動車的一個痛點之一我想理想的部分大家都希望能夠這樣子主要就是減碳但是充電樁不足已經變成是我國電動車數量及發展2025近零排碳最大的一個瓶頸 |
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就算財政部祭出一些免稅 減稅的 減徵優惠這效果也不大所以就是說等於是政府無法消除民眾對於電動車的一個充電焦慮那經濟部對於這個問題有沒有什麼改善措施有沒有什麼目標讓跟民眾保證2030電動車與充電中的比例可以達到10比1有沒有 計畫跟委員報告 |
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目前到今年的9月我們全國大概已經有13135支的充電樁那它對於相對於那電動車的數量呢相對於我們現在電動車的數量的話它的車裝比目前是8.9比1那8.9比1的數量呢是委員講到這邊所提的電動車歐盟建議電動車跟充電樁比例是10比1的部分的話其實我們現在國內8.9比1實際上是優於歐盟建議的10比1的這個數字 |
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數字事實上是數量上是比歐盟來得更好的後面有一個39.7比1這個部分的話大概是歐盟有另外一個數字就是充電除了從慢充之外還有快充快充的部分的話他是希望能夠達到80比1在國內快充的充電窗大概有3386支 |
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我們的快充的車裝比是34.7比1這些技術上需要去克服的問題我想請你們就趕快按照計畫然後加緊腳步把這些推動我國電動車的決心就讓更要設法化解民眾的一個充電焦慮好不好好 我們會願意好 你請回最後一點時間我請交通部莊部長 |
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莊部長有請莊部長財政部莊部長不好意思 講錯了 財政部 |
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委員好部長早以往一開始都是先請部長部長主要就是因為我在每一次都會跟你討論到租屋黑市的問題根據2021到2023年度個人非資助型房屋租賃所得虛補稅者每年都超過25萬件個人房屋租賃查核資查獲率都超過5成 |
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那更發現2020年到2024年需要補徵的建樹的稅額都是呈現增加的趨勢從這些執行的成效來看我們財政部還是留於這個紙上的宣示所以部長加強個人房屋租賃所得專案查核這項計畫已經四年了 |
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就數據來看要加強的空間還很大所以部長你要怎麼做才能夠降低房東逃漏報稅的情況還有沒有什麼積極的辦法是委員這個部分謝謝委員的提示我們也會積極的加強來查核讓有房屋出租而有租金所得要誠實申報所得稅這是委員我想主要執行的目的當然我們也會選擇 |
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一定的適當的區域來做加強的一個查核是部長 我再強調就是說這個黑市的存在不是只有稅務的問題因為主要是居住正義還有住屋安全安全的問題更重要所以對於這些漏報的房東不要一再的寬容是的不要一再寬容這個要讓年輕世代有一個安全對於制度的信任所以我想部長 我不要 |
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除了宣傳 宣導之外我們要看到的是說有什麼具體改革能夠改善這些 好不好好的 謝謝委員是 謝謝好 謝謝顏寬文委員好 接下來我們請鍾嘉賓委員質詢 |
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主席在場的委員先進列席的政府機關司長官員會場工作夥伴媒體記者女士先生有請我們財政部莊部長請莊部長還有交通部的趙專門委員交通部趙專門委員衛福部的吳副司長是衛福部吳副司長然後經濟部的邱署長請準備經濟部邱署長委員好 |
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部長我想台灣高齡化社會那你覺得高齡化社會有哪些現象我們現在台灣還有那種三代同堂的大家庭嗎多不多現在都是小家庭那超高齡化社會年長者超過65歲上我考一下你知道嗎現在65歲上的長者持有身心障礙手冊的多不多比例多少大概應該就我們了解跟衛福部聊大概有超過一半 |
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超過一半 長照師 副市長在嗎怎麼剛剛有請你 你沒有上來呢對啊 那就打啊有沒有報告委員 就是我們的長者人口已經降兩成了有伸張手這多少 |
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我们的那个身障者的人口大概是120万左右我是问你65岁以上的占比65岁以上的大概差不多一半左右对嘛所以只要65岁年龄超过65岁一半有身障手册来再请庄部长来我们看一下这些人他的身心障碍别他可能要去洗肾有可能要去采买对不对还常常回诊需求那富康巴士够不够 |
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你們有沒有照顧長者的經驗在場你們在台前的有沒有人照顧來再問一下社會師長照師是不是富康法是足以滿足這些需求嗎地方政務的 |
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目前來說就是除了復康巴士以外那當然在長照的部分也還有交通接送的一些那家人是不是最主要的支持者同住家人同住家人是會有協助照顧然後跟身上還有長照的相關資源所以我們現在長輩要照顧你要靠政府還是不夠主要是家庭我們看一下照顧長輩的我們看到一個二親等的規定我再告訴你什麼是二親等二親等是你的配偶是一親等 |
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你的手足是一斤等不可能你的尊心主来照顾你对不对65岁以上的人这些人可能都没有办法照顾他那他的一斤等的子女如果他是没有子女的或者说他有子女但是子女不在他的孙子女 |
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可能年紀還小 沒有領駕照那跟他同住的他的侄生跟他配偶的侄生如果跟他同住有沒有可能來協助照顧這個長輩家人的照顧是一定會有的我是說這樣的一個照顧的狀況二親等的可能性只要遇到沒有子女的幾乎就很難三親等的反而還有機會 對不對 |
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是不是這樣子 二等輕 三等輕好 往下看那現在我們的使用牌照稅法怎麼規定 |
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目前使用牌照稅法對於持有身心障礙本人配偶或同一戶二親等以內的親屬所有才能夠幫他開車得到這個使用牌照稅的減免是不是這樣子目前是對一個同戶級二親等那如果剛剛我那個情況二親等的都很困難的情況下又是無子女的他的直升來照顧他可不可以得到同樣的優惠 |
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現在法令不行嘛所以我就提出修法嘛往下看下一件我們的條文條文條文不見了好 沒辦法我們這裡呢是說以二清等以內的所有那麼我希望把它加入如果只要同住不受二清等的限制那至於不受這個限制哪些可以納入你們再去 |
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按照實際的需求去擬定可以嗎第一個就是說我們現在因為是以戶籍戶籍登記他比較明確那同住那在基增機關目前來說我現在不是說同住不好認定我是說不受二輕等的限制只要有這個事實他是三輕等的直升也可不可以適用使用牌照稅的優惠 |
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你是指说把二清等放宽为三清等我没有说三清等我说不受这个限制但是什么样的人可以纳入就不要那么的硬邦邦的我已经告诉你目前现行法二清等的实况上很困难他只要没有子女几乎没有二清等以内的可以照顾他但是如果有同住的其他的直生或者其他的人经过你们认定的来我问一下卫福部那个长导师知不知识 |
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支不支持支不支持同住家人來照顧他的長者簡單講支不支持等於是說針對照顧者的這個部分你簡單回答支不支持同住家人照顧長者可以減輕家庭照顧者的負擔所以支持對不對只是說法規的部分我們其實還是遵守財政部法規你們要遵守所以告訴財政部我修這個法讓你們有機會不受這個二金人的限制支不支持 |
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聽懂了沒有問財政部長跟委員報告當然這個部分要放寬以後讓身心障礙的人都可以利用這個行政部門但是這個是地方稅我們其實還要尊重地方政府的一個看法所以你們可以授權讓地方政府根據他們的需求高齡化嚴重的他們自然的放得比較寬是不是這樣子你們在稅法上的制定不要那麼的死硬 |
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這些人民有實際需求的你不要為德不足你訂了一個二輕等結果實際上太少人能夠適用不能達到照顧的美意這就很可惜好不好往下看接下來我們來看一下那個經濟部台灣是不是成為全世界少數具有自製氫能電巴的一個國家我們有一個 |
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自製的電巴還有有加輕站而且我們的氫能巴呢氫能巴不是電巴氫能巴是人家的一半現在要引進我們的自製率可以達到7乘5還要引進地量氫燃料還有電池的重心卡車署長是不是這樣子 |
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對 因為這個輕能車的話也是一個國際上一個發展的一個重要的方向所以我們經濟部也會支持一些相關產業的一些技術的研發來支持這個輕能車的一個發展所以經濟部是支持的好 往下看那輕能車它除了補助有沒有機會免稅在經濟部的立場來講如果輕能車我們要發展有補助嘛補助是經濟部產業的角色嘛那你經濟部支持也比照電動車可以免稅還要使用牌照稅 |
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輕能車現在就認定上來講也是屬於電動車的一種所以可以得到貨物稅跟使用牌照稅的減免可以嗎確定點頭來財政部長讓你坐球給你了你爽快的點頭就很簡單這個輕能車這個部分經車輛主管機關交通部認定它是屬於完全以電能為動力的電動車的範圍所以可以嗎對 如果是這樣認定的話 |
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那就可以 這部長繼續來 謝謝署長來 我們現在問一下普發現金回顧一下普發現金在疫情之間三倍券 五倍券目的是鼓勵消費對不對 部長是的那目前普發現金1萬元是要鼓勵消費嗎還是讓部分民眾減輕負擔滿足到急迫的需求對不對我想都有都有好 那如果沒有急迫需求的我們不鼓勵這沒有急迫需求的1萬元他拿去儲蓄或投資 |
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大家領了以後各自有自己的想法自己去運用嘛所以這個普發現金一萬會急著去領的是有急需的對不對但是如果不是很急的我們希望他儲蓄或者是投資那投資的部分我們目前行政院的政策不是你財政部的政策行政院的政策是不是要讓台灣打造成雅致中心是不是行政院的政策財政部支不支持 |
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行政院政策財政部當然是遵循所以我們鼓勵投資TISA我們要免徵資本利得稅鼓勵二則一課稅可抵稅額只要不完整所得稅課稅原則之下財政部都會支持對不對 |
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有關TISA現在的限制裡面有 寫在這裡鼓勵所得併入眾所稅後有5%的免稅上限8萬元或不併入所得採稅率28%分離課稅或者債券的利息採分離課稅10%對不對現在都有這個方式可以再進一步往下看 |
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來 我們舉例 以前我要上班的時代我們會盡量的想辦法爭取加薪現在的上班族不是只有看加薪他希望財富自由 他會有被動收入被動收入就去投資就算年薪50萬 他可能也會去投資這些投資的內容 假設這個個案年薪50萬 股利有10萬元 很厲害被動所得 還不錯 |
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扣掉這些免稅額 扣除額薪資扣除額之後可能乘以5%的所得稅 適用稅率要繳7700元的稅如果適用目前財政部的做法他這個10萬元目前是8.5%為上限他可以得到8500元的可抵稅率所以7700減去8500他可以退回800元 是不是這樣子好 是這樣子所以這個是有鼓勵效果的 對不對 |
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好 那現在假如說我們也鼓勵說他如果有到的這個1萬元的現金他去買TESA連續10個月因為TESA要每個月至少1000我們鼓勵他先定期定額那他把這個被動收入存下去之後只要他有做這個動作我們就讓他的那8.5%提升到10%換言之他可退稅的金額變成可以退多少退1300元 |
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退1300元 OK部長你覺得這樣有沒有鼓勵那些比較不是手頭很寬裕但是他對未來有期望他希望讓自己的未來更美麗我們用這樣的稅率來支持他剛剛那個情況8.5%只能退700如果他有把TESA這一萬元在未來四個月內他有持續的去購買我們就讓他明年呢有機會多退一些錢您支持嗎 |
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自著調整如果您委員您這邊是指就普發1萬元這個部分對 我只是說普發1萬元TESA這個部分去來做投資趕快 趕快演繹因為這個明年才用如果說他今年有把這1萬元去買TESA定期定額至少1000 延續10個月你告訴他明年你可以多退1500 |
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你就讓他開不開心我想這個部分我們再來不是再來研究要趕快急著去促成行政院的政策財政部要一體支持不要談到減稅你們就扣的跟什麼一樣好不好了解好那最後一個你們要看你們端出來了我已經講很久了在2025年行動支付享有的營業稅1%的優惠即將落幕什麼時候可以推出新的延續型的優化的政策 |
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目前正在處理當中現在是幾月現在11月現在11月5號請問什麼時候可以推出請委員請署長來補充報告委員我們現在已經立好方案了然後現在請國際國稅局表示意見因為總是要確認基金事務上的等國稅局表現意見國稅局會拖著不表示意見嗎不會不敢不敢嗎那11月底可不可以公佈 |
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11月底前公佈好不好讓這些中小型的業者有機會吧不要什麼好事都拖到最後一刻我們就以這個為目標 謝謝謝謝中嘉賓委員的質詢 |
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好 我做一下宣告待會李昆城委員發言完畢然後我林思銘委員發言之後我們休息十分鐘接下來我們請李昆城委員質詢謝謝主席我們請莊部長好 請莊部長委員好 |
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不是 今天我們普發一彎是開始線上預登記是不是是的我剛好我的身分證字尾是1所以我今天可以去登記我早上我也去登記了我就用線上登記的方式早上看起來沒什麼塞車可能因為我們分流的關係今天好像是0跟1 |
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有分流 是那請問一下如果我今天去預先登記那最快哪時候可以領到這個一萬塊 |
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11月12号入账11月12号入账11月12号入账对 开始入账那请问一下现在有很多的银行或是商家就是在讲说如何放大这1万块那我们的国银或是范公股银行有这一个放大1万块的什么红利 激励这个措施还是希望说我们能够把这1万块拿去消费比较好 |
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都有很多的措施包含這個但是都有配合他們的信用卡那些再來就希望大家都能夠去做一些消費活動不過好像是把它存進去 存進去才有這一個也有一些是用存的所以部長認為說是存進去比較好還是把它花出去比較好看大家的各自選擇 自由運用那部長你會存起來還是花出去 |
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我大概會有自己相關的一些決定來做怎麼樣處置這個1萬塊就1萬塊啊那就促進經濟來講應該是花出去吧 |
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花出去平常也在花也不會因為這1萬塊就再去我會有其他的處理我們不是在處理100萬我們就講說處理這1萬塊而已我就會花出去請教一下因為我們今天是使用牌照稅我們延長使用牌照稅的實施期間到2030年對不對 |
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對 189年這延長五年五年 對這延長五年是因為是要配合我們這個2030年我們行政院有一個淨零排放的一個階段性的目標我先請教一下部長因為我們這個是有貨物稅 有牌照稅就貨物稅的部分因為這其實應該都沒有爭議 |
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貨物稅的部分我們這個是完稅價格在140萬的違憲 對不對 |
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以下的話免徵 以上是二分之一我請教一下部長 署長在這邊我們也希望說解免貨物稅能夠讓消費者他能夠感受到所以說進口商或是經銷商在簽訂買賣契約的時候有確實跟消費者說明說該車應退還的貨物稅是因定價的策略反映在售價上面或是另行約定退還的方式 |
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这个有说清楚吗我们目前的方式是怎么样目前来说这个部分我想这个是署长在食物激增上我们来做一个说明 |
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包括委員目前的不管是進口商或經商因為我們這貨物稅是出廠稅那是由產製廠商就先繳納的或是進口商在進口時就先繳了這些貨物稅所以後面我們退是退給就是我們所謂的納稅友人就是進口商或是所謂產製的廠商那基本上目前實務商那是退給車商 對 |
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所以也測商等於測商沒有繳稅所以它就會在買賣契約上目前我們看到都在買賣契約上這部分它就會扣掉所以有確定說扣除的部分的話比如說140萬以下大概可以扣掉多少 |
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看它的完稅價格如果以140萬為例現在是25%的稅那就35萬所以它就等於因為我們完稅價格跟市售價格不一樣完稅價格是有課稅價格市售它還會疊加譬如它的利潤 運費 保險費等等之類它會疊加上去所以它最後就必須要把那35萬如果以完稅價140萬為例如果它最後疊加售價是170萬它把那35萬扣退給消費者 |
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這目前都有規定很清楚嗎我們目前是沒有在法令上這樣說但是在實務上因為既然沒有繳這個稅他就會把這個稅扣掉這樣子對於車商有什麼樣的一個約制力就是我們希望說扣掉貨物稅是讓我們的消費者他願意去買電動車 |
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增加電動車就是讓我們這個近年排放的目標能夠達成你如果說有扣掉貨物稅免到排到稅了結果排到稅應該是消費者如果貨物稅的話如果沒有反映給消費者的話我們只是讓車商得到這些好處而已 |
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包括委員根據過去我們退還減徵貨物稅的經驗的話目前看到的是都有反應如果就像我們上次在未含糖飲料要減徵貨物稅我們免稅的時候我們也有要求因為金額太小所以我們做消費 |
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這個金額比較大目前我們看到的是都有反應因為金額太大消費者自己知道他會爭取這個權益我還是希望說雖然這個是延續性的政策但是我還是希望說財政部這方面能不能把它定得更清楚 |
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我們研究看看怎麼訂或是透過請主管部會去加強就像上次一樣請主管部會去加強那這個應該算是經濟部對 目前是經濟部好 那你們跟經濟部去討論一下我們還是希望說這個免掉貨物稅之後這個 |
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能夠讓消費者他能夠得到說那的確我應該是買電動車那也得你的確貨物稅有減免140萬以下全免140萬以上我們就看那個比率再做調整對不對那把這一個比較清楚的一個方式我覺得還是定出來好不好 |
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這個可能要請經濟部也來回答一下因為我們這個是配合行政院2030年的運具電動化的階段性的目標經濟部我們有一個2030年運具電動化的目標是電動小客車市售比要30%電動機車市售比35%這有可能透過免貨物稅免牌照稅能夠達到這個目標嗎署長是 |
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報告委員我們透過這樣子的一個租稅的減免可以鼓勵更多的行賄者那我是說達到這個目標嗎對 這個是我們很有信心可以達到這個目標有信心達到這個目標距離現在還有一段差距現在是多少 |
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現在是大概10%左右對 10% 20%要成長20%5年的時間20%有辦法嗎但是因為這一兩年它的電動車的成長率都是蠻高的以這樣的成長趨勢的話我們當然希望說能夠達到因為我們政策上面已經做一些優惠了好 那再請一下蘇珊請回請教一下 |
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部長剛從韓國參加APEC回來現在韓國的媒體他們也對於說台灣的經濟成長感到驚訝不論是我們的GDP人均GDP有可能在今年會超過韓國是不是 |
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是的我們預測人均GDP今年在37430這是韓國 然後台灣是38066所以這個是在時隔22年之後台灣的人均GDP再度超越韓國然後我們的經濟成長率也超越他們 |
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請教一下 部長您剛從韓國回來您認為我們經濟成長率跟人均GDP因韓國的策略是什麼主要是我們的財政政策我們的整個國家的政策選對的方向因為第一個我們知道之前我們有加速投資台灣的三大方案讓台灣的資金以吸引在國外的資金回來投資這個投資其實就奠定了我們後續AI整個供應鏈更為完整 |
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所以我們的出口暢旺所以這一次我們在APEC的時候南韓的幾位官員都很羨慕我們台灣這一次的經濟成長率幾乎是比他們高出很多那最主要是我們加速台灣投資的三大方案的一個策略選擇那台商回台投資以及讓我們支撐整個出口這一次的暢旺 |
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整個出口都創歷年的新高請教一下部長今年經濟成長率看起來是會在5%以上對於明年經濟成長率你的看法 |
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經濟成長率整個的估測是在主機總署那主機總署都會定期的一個公佈那應該是不會超過5%對不對目前我看到他的資料大概沒有到5%不過可能也會隨時的調整修正大概2.5到3左右初步他是這樣的估測那我再請教一下部長 |
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那主席總書他也預估在這個經濟規模成長還有新台幣升值的兩大因素助攻之下明年的GDP有可能突破4萬美元那部長覺得有可能達到嗎我們上次突破3萬是在2021年那有可能 您認為說在這種經濟成長的規模之下有可能明年的GDP成長突破4萬美元嗎 |
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我想這個部分還是要尊重主席總署的一個估測沒有 那就您的看法當然預測是他在預測就您的看法我想我們後續還是要持續的觀察因為還有許多不確定的因素存在那你有信心嗎美國的關稅的一個稅率最後是怎麼樣以及還有匯率的一些變動等等地緣政治風險都是要考慮的一些變動因素那部長有信心嗎 |
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我們希望我們都有信心大家全國同仁一起努力同胞們一起努力好 謝謝好 謝謝李坤澄召委好 我們請林思敏召委好 謝謝 |
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謝謝主席主席我先請交通部趙專委還有經濟部邱署長我們請經濟部邱署長然後交通部趙專委 |
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好 那個專委還有署長我想行政院推動延長電動車免徵使用牌照稅的政策來藉以來鼓勵民眾購買新能源車也實現我們節能減碳和達成淨零排碳的一個目標 |
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经济部也设定说在2030年我们就要电动汽车要占我们新售汽车的比重达到30%的目标来扶植我们国内的电动车产业的发展我想基本上我们修法延长5年我看我们基本上大家都赞成但是我比较关心的一个议题就是有关于油电混合车的部分 |
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我們看那個環境部在112年所公布的老舊汽車泰舊換新溫室氣體減量獎勵辦法這個辦法提到說關於油電的混合動力車只要該車輛與我國能源效率的標示中它的純電形成測試值達80公里以上者可視為電動車 |
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这个办法在去年的12月31号已经废止了但是环境部我们比较好奇的就是说环境部现在推出的车辆态救换新抵换煤和平台其中温室气体减量的态换活动中 |
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除同樣列入油電混合車輛外也依據相同的油電混合動力的車它的純電行車標準的規定就是達80公里以上定有不同的獎勵金的一個辦法所以我要請問趙專委還有邱署長你是否贊同環境部的規範定義 |
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也就是說只要該油電車與我國的能源效率標示中的純電行程測試值達80公里以上者即可視為電動車你贊不贊成這個獎勵辦法現在還有 |
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各位報告這個是環境部的辦法規是不是建議行環境部來做不是 我知道我說他的辦法是規定在哪裡有獎勵辦法那從經濟部的角度你來看你贊同他因為他講四維電動車就是你這個經過測試純電的形成 |
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80公里以下他都是走電的80公里以上才是走油的他說這視為電動車而且也有獎勵的規定那你認為這個視為電動車的規定這個合理嗎從你交通部的看法首先跟各位報告有關於我們了解是針對於油電混合車其實依照現在的貨物稅條例它也有檢證的這個相關的規定它有檢證規定它有檢證嗎有 |
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有减增规定依照我们现在货物税我的了解是应该是货物税条例12条里面针对于油电混合是有减半的规定是 有减半的规定那进一步呢 |
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可以視為電動車嗎我的問題是可以視為電動車嗎報告委員因為這分兩種有一種的話就是油電混合車剛剛莊委有提到就是說在貨物稅裡面是減半另外一種的話就是所謂的plug-in的這種類型也就是說它的電力的續航可以超過80公里以上國際上有一些國家是把它視為也是電動車的一種因為它的性能是比較跟電動車比較接近的 |
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是喔 其實我想因為我看到這個相關規定就是不能免徵貨物稅嘛油電混合車還是要徵這個相關的貨物稅嘛剛才那個專委是講有減半的一個規定嘛總而言之它就是不能視為電動車嘛所以其實我的一個建議啊 |
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就是為了達到節能減碳的目標油電混合車它現在民眾在從油車完全轉換成純電動車的一個過程中它也是一個銜接的一個選項只要符合環境部的規定相關獎勵辦法的規定我認為實在沒有理由不把這種依照環境部的一個規定把它視為電動車 |
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所以這部分是不是請部長財政部這邊研擬它的一個可行性就是你的里程數在80公里以上才是用油之下都是去用電可不可以鼓勵說這種情況之下其實跟電動車差不多其實鼓勵它這也視為電動車 |
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有沒有可能是 謝謝委員我想這個部分能不能做這樣的視為的電動車還是要主管計畫不管是交通部或者是經濟部 環境部他們可以去來認定這樣的一個範疇那接下來就可以適用法規的認定那可行性要由誰來研議交通部因為上次對於機能也是交通部來做認定的事情那好 那我請交通部來這個研議好不好研議它的可行性評估它的可行性我們要跟經濟部 環境部跟財產部一起研議這件事情好不好 一個月內提供給本席 |
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OK 好部長我想我們先提到一直有關於說這一次電動車的免徵牌照稅但畢竟它是屬於地方稅所以大家一直關心如果延長這樣的政策地方的稅收是嚴重的減少我看到新北市財政局他們未來五年如果法令通過之後會減少38億 |
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我想各縣市政府的稅務局一樣也是面臨這樣的問題所以到底說財政部對於說各縣市政府未來5年會減少的稅損有沒有去做過一個去跟各地方稅務局來去做一個討論有沒有 目前為止 |
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都有做過討論那我想包含這次的法案的修正也都有徵詢過地方政府的意見那基本上他們對延長五年這個基本上是支持的那至於對於稅收這個部分減少因為最主要是我們這個法律是授權地方政府得那我想地方政府也會就他自己的財政能力來做一些考量那目前來說當然執行上他們都是免徵使用牌照稅 |
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就是为了达到政府的政策目标对他们的城市的空气达到这个政策应该是会去免征对 目前执行上他们也都是免征的对于城市的空气也是有帮助的他们每一个县市政府大概税损多少有没有做过统计 |
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各有不同各有不同这个可以把统计表尽数去整理出来好我们把整理出来后提供给委员其实我刚才林德福委员跟我们今天有一个提案那我们是对于说这个所造成的这些税损我们希望我们中央政府的主管相关主管机关要编列相关预算来补足所以我们在这一次的修正条文的第三项 |
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我們增訂了前向至中華民國115年1月1日起因免徵使用牌照稅造成直轄市及縣市政府減少之稅收因由中央能源主管機關補足之我們在說明理由裡面我們提到就是中央補足稅收裁員建議可由相關基金 |
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比如说能源研究发展基金经济部的还有温室气体管理基金我们环境部或者编列相关的公务预算来支应请问我们部长或者经济部还有环境部你们的看法如何这个修法你们赞同吗委员所提的几项基金大概都是属于相关部会所设置的基金请请经济部你赞同吗 |
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這樣的修法 你的態度表達你的態度因為那個能源基金的話是能源署主管的我是產發署署長我是不是帶回去請能源署署長他們慎重考慮好 也盡速提供給本席集委員會橫進步呢 |
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從你們的溫室氣體管理基金來做一個相關的一個補足委員好因為這個部分其實牽涉的還滿廣的那我們環境部的這個溫室氣體管理基金其實也才剛開始收那是不是容我們也帶回去然後再補一份說明給委員好 我想相關的修法建議我們希望你們盡量盡速的能夠做出相關的一個對應 |
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另外對於說我們 那個幾位請部長留下來部長 我想剛才大家一直關心使用牌照稅第七條第一項第八款明定因身心障礙情況之無法駕駛之無駕照者及本人配偶或同一戶籍的二親等於內的親屬所有公該身心障礙者使用的車輛每一身心障礙者以一輛為限 |
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我想这一条的立法理由很清楚的就是希望这该车辆就是要提供身心障碍者使用一定要提供身心障碍者使用可以作为一个非常重要的一个要不要给他的一个依据 |
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但是部長我們今天看如果說配偶身分的人即便他不是同一戶籍他跟他的配偶分居的話那麼根據現行的法令這輛車是可以免徵使用牌照稅對不對配偶的話就不限於要同一戶籍但是二親等以內的親屬就限於要同一戶籍 |
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這個規定我想剛才幾位委員也很關心甚至認為說要擴大它輕等的一個範圍其實為什麼大家會有這樣的一個想法就是因為現在少子化的問題就我們根據去年8月統計的戶籍資料顯示我國每戶平均人口數為2.51人 |
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不要说三代同堂现在连两代同堂都可能非常的少越来越难所以在这种情况之下你身心障碍本人要与他二亲等的亲属要同一户籍这是越来越少所以这种情况之下原来法律的修法的美意就完全丧失了 |
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也就是說我們看如果說是子女的話子女她要照顧她的父母嘛那子女在外面要買房子啊她在外面要居住啊但是她為了照顧父母買了一輛車給她的父母親來代步結果因為她跟父母不同意戶籍就沒有辦法享受使用牌照稅的一個免稅的一個優惠是不合理嘛 |
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所以本席有一個提案刪除說這個同意戶籍的規定你二金等以內的只要你確實這輛車是提供給這個身障的父母來使用或親屬來使用就應該給他免稅部長你贊不贊成 |
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我想委員您提的就是有跟现在的社会的一个家庭结构是有关系但是在税务的一个课征上也要考虑到它一个执行的一个难易度那这个地方因为实际上是有地方税务机关在课征那委员这样的一个提议我们可能还要再征询地方政府它未来在执行上有没有相关的困难部长我想要与时俱进一面立法的美意完全没有达到它的一个效果 |
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我们再跟地方政府再来申请他们的意见谢谢林思明 赵伟谢谢所有与会官员我们先休息十分钟 |
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好 我們現在繼續開會 請大家就座接下來請王世堅委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席 我請關稅署彭署長好 請關務署彭署長委員好博署長 你先前的很多表現都很不錯那麼在關務的這個部分 把關的部分你們確實做到可以說滴水不漏 |
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不過還是有相當大的破口而這個破口 |
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竟然是毒品那這一點讓我覺得這個是非常可怕的事情現在的毒品已經不是早年的海洛因啦這些過去常被吸食的現在很多都是新時代新類型比方說現在最厲害的這一種叫伊托蜜子這無色無味那麼它 |
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不但已經網路化的銷售而且它已經滲透到我們年輕這一輩那根據教育部他們所委託國建署他們共同的查估裡面他們查估的結果 |
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在高中職生大概我們全國55萬高中職生裡面竟然有高達6.5%是有在 |
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使用電子煙而電子煙就是會用到這個所謂的喪屍煙彈依託米子那國中生數字大概一半那大概一半的話大概也有一萬七千位學生也就是 |
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這種喪屍煙彈已經大量年輕化滲透到我們年輕這一輩加起來國中生高中生大概有五萬兩千位很可能涉入這個 |
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上司煙彈的稀釋那上司煙彈在查緝方面我們關務署我認為責無旁貸那關務署你們在前幾年民國110年你們 |
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建置了這個人工智慧輔助氣絲系統你們花了一億多元建置這個系統可是這個系統啊竟然我把它調這個數字出來以後你們比方說你們當年判讀了 |
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4256萬件當年判讀4256萬件行李竟然顯示出說裡面這個行李裡面有可疑毒品竟然顯示高達522萬件 |
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竟然高達522萬件好啦 那522萬件被你們顯示警鈴大響大家神經緊繃 大家趕快過來針對這查獲的這個疑似有毒品的行李結果522萬件毒品裡面 |
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竟然只有124件有124件是真的有毒品天啊這一個AI系統花費上億元建制的AI系統它竟然判毒的錯誤率高達99.989% |
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有這麼烏龍的系統嗎所以我認為這個系統你們看要想辦法怎麼去改善因為現在還在用所以你的看法我認為對於毒品的查緝我們引進AI系統當然很好可是你引進的是什麼樣的AI |
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會不會這個系統處理建制的這些官員有什麼官商勾結嗎官商勾結A百姓I不是這樣嗎要不然怎麼有這麼荒唐的事情你看法有什麼方式來改善對於這個毒品的判讀 |
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是 如同委員說的我們目前AI輔助判讀的毒品這個系統真的是目前的誤判率會比較高高很多 沒有錯那我們是跟公研院合作跟公研院是是跟公研院合作的 |
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那這個我更訝異那他們現在有提出什麼改善的方式嗎跟委員報告我們現在查毒的方式我們不是真這AI它不是說針對毒品的種類就直接就判定說它是毒品我們目前第一階段是用藏匿的方式就是我們會把過去藏毒品的方式來讓AI來去學習 |
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所以目前的錯誤率會比較高是沒有錯那我們已經都在改善當中了在改善當中我們過去有那個氣毒犬我們過去用X光的方式那個也是 |
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旅艦大工那這些系統我們也應該訪國外國外他們在X光的系統上面他們在企圖權這一部分他們都屢有斬獲所以我不曉得你們這一部分到底做得怎麼樣傳統的這個方式還有其實有經驗的官務員 |
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或者警方的人員其實有經驗的光是看行李大概的情況還有尤其出關的時候要提領行李的人那個神色那也是一個很重要的判讀不是嗎 |
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是委員講的都沒有錯那個企圖犬我們也有44組的企圖犬就是一隻狗配一個人我們有44組那成效也不錯那X光的判讀方面我們是用高風險去篩選可疑的貨物那有密報跟沒有密報的我們海關查獲自行查獲的比例就是沒有密報自行查獲的比例都高達9成以上我們一年大概都會查獲到500件的一個毒品 |
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喪屍病毒也是我們查緝的重點我剛剛講的你這一個AI系統你竟然總判讀量4256萬件竟然他有高達520萬件是出現說這個判讀這個是有毒品然後就警示燈大亮警鈴大作大家緊張 |
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真的有520萬件的話那真的是要大緊張了這問題是當他判讀錯誤錯誤率這麼高的時候是對我們關務署對所有我們政府官員的造成困擾 |
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還有微信掃地啊然後對於被檢查行李的我們出入關的國人那也是多難堪的一件事不是這樣嗎好啦那你說這個要加強要改善我相信公園院他有那個能力啦你們要加緊連絡但是你們每年又編六到七千萬這你們說還要再增加辨識 |
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的這些禁品比方說肉類製品 電子菸 加熱菸或者是說塵困的紙操或者你要辨識特定農產品你們大概加了五項說要去增加辨識這幾項你光一項毒品你就誤判率這麼高了那你何來的信心 |
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加這些錢增加附帶的這些設施那麼到底情況會是怎麼樣你這個布置的這個成效到現在也沒有看你提出任何的報告做好了沒 你說要增加這五項對鈔票 對電子菸對這個特定農產品還有對肉製品那這個部分你們用了沒這一套系統 |
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報告委員這也是在我們次世代人工輔助判讀系統裡面會去做這是一個計畫我們之所以會把這些物品列為這是AI輔助判讀的一個項目最主要是海關查緝的項目重點項目實在非常多人力非常有限所以我們是盡量說以後要朝智慧科技的查緝的方式去努力所以才會把這些重點項目對 |
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但是你們改善這個AI判讀這個速度太慢了我剛剛講的這個這幾年來你們我看到也沒什麼誤判率也沒什麼改善啊然後現在又看到你新編的預算每年這兩年你們每年都要花七千多萬六千多萬那去增設這個AI的輔助系統那又要增加判讀這五大項 |
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所以我認為你們確實要加緊不但要加緊建制 |
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而且要跟工研院專業的技術請他們要更用心在這一塊他不要說這個金額不大 一億多現在要增加的複設的這幾項也才7000多萬對工研院而言他們認為這個小case就對了 |
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所以那樣子的心態下才會有誤判率這麼高誤判率高達99.99989 |
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這個大概是世界級的大烏龍你回去好好改善啦謝謝委員的指導阿部長也請你要多盯一盯關務署好不好跟委員修正一下中科院那邊我是口誤那個是中山科學研究院我們跟中山科學研究院合作跟中山科學研究院他確實比中研院他 |
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抱歉抱歉那我以為他確實比龔岩岳差了一些是是好謝謝謝謝王世堅委員OK謝謝接下來請陳玉珍委員發言謝謝謝謝主席請這個這個房屋稅財政部長嗎這房屋稅應該是財政部長 |
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財政部莊部長 一個房屋稅的房屋稅 還有一個交通部的交通部 也有一位專委有來嗎 趙專委等一下還有一題是那個也是財化法的財化法國庫署署長我們先講房屋稅 |
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部長好 這個房屋稅2.0改革的重點是說要加重持有多戶而且沒有做有效利用者的房屋稅負擔合理化房屋的稅負然後你看一下你們現在執行的手段是這樣子 |
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自住商戶以下的這幾種人自住商戶 公益出租人 社會住宅包租代管這些維持1.2%其中這個自住商戶裡頭是房屋屋出租或供營業使用所有權或使用權人本人配偶或其直系親屬實際居住使用且於該屋半郡戶籍登記要有戶籍登記在裡頭然後第三點本人配偶及未成年子女全國合計商戶以內我們討論自住這個部分 |
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你們執行這個手段有遇到一些錯殺的一些事實上因為房屋稅錯殺了一些人我們來看一下你們看這下面怎麼改進產生的後果都是自住的沒有辦法享受自住的稅率比如說金門鄉親夫妻兩個人變成要一個戶口在金門一個戶口在台灣因為我們金門戶口在金門跟在台灣的戶籍意義大不相同 |
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不是表示他們都住金門或住台灣因為在離島來講很多人是常常金門 台灣這樣飛來飛去的很正常在金門 然後有時候到台灣來不管就醫 小孩子就學各方面這個是很普遍的現象不是像台北 住在台北就在台北工作 就學什麼都在台北就醫都在台北所以金門這樣飛來飛去是很 |
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普遍的 你說他完全住在金門也不完全完全住在台灣也不完全好 那這樣子其中一個就要喪失這個離島這個就金門的這個住因為如果你的戶口沒有在金門你連坐飛機票都要貴很多這個可能你們不知道不是指金門九行那些福利 而是說機票啊 包括就醫的這個很多費用都要增加很多那不得要到台灣來的話他這個損失也很大 這個第一點第二點又有一種特別的情形是這個戶口在 |
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第二個特別情形是像比如說我們有台灣的鄉親比如說台北的比如說台北長大的原來台灣籍的台北籍的好了鄉親他到金門去工作比如去當公務人員他考上公務人員他到金門去工作那他的這個房子全家他們就一戶置戶的比如說在台北有一個房子 |
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他去金門工作他在金門可能是租房子但因為為了在當地工作我剛講那些比如說坐飛機他要回家 回台北的家坐飛機什麼都會影響很大所以他的戶口必須放在金門因為他在金門當任公務人員原來台灣的在金門工作的公務人員反映的因為他這樣的工作他必須遷到金門也就喪失了這些自用住宅的稅率 |
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您了解我的意思嗎這個是實際發生的情形不只是原籍金門的金門人原籍台灣的台灣人現在變成金門籍的新金門人也遇到這樣的情形那這事實上不符合你們原來這個房屋稅這個稅率的就是說他們全家都住在台灣沒錯您了解我的意思嗎 |
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這個情形沒關係因為今天題目很多這個特殊這種情形包括這個三戶以內要求夫妻一個人必須要上市離島戶籍或者全國他這個人全國明明他只有一戶只有一戶卻沒有辦法享用自用住宅稅率問題這個要提出請你們幫我們提出修法建議這個我要今天提的問題在這裡我們當然也有我們的想法我想我們先尊重主管機關針對我們提出的這些問題你們做出相關的研究給我一個 |
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報告看要不要提出修法或者是如果你不願意我們會來主動提出修法我們再把您剛剛所提的幾項問題我們做一個詳細的報告給我對 才不會說因為這樣誤殺到一些真的是有實際工作需求的人因為離島比較特別你住你如果在台北你住在台中你去台中工作事實上你回台北也沒什麼影響 |
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但是因為離島就有飛機票的這個一些差額價錢就是不一樣這個差很多一趟飛機是差好幾千塊回家省錢什麼也都沒辦法可能家人在台灣然後他在金門工作這是原籍台灣的人所以這個部分請人去研究一下好嗎好 第二部分我想請教這個交通部 |
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我國進口車輛的檢驗項目和流程這個問題也請你們要幫我帶回去研究你看有三個電動車檢驗部有環境部、人員署跟交通部檢驗完以後就到監理站去領牌 |
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金門也是金門有進口一些少量的自用電動車但是因為都是自用 很少量以前的做法是以前交通部的做法是102年那時候的做法是派人就整批人到因為累積很多每個人都進了車以後一台一台一台可能不知道多少台以後就到金門去做相關的檢驗 |
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但是這個畢竟不是長久之計我覺得這個很不方便後來他交通部說不然你們以後車子就運來台灣檢驗再運回去金門領排那一來一回這個光運費就多少錢那時間呢就買一台車子要運過去再運過來這個事實上造成很大的困擾所以現在國內檢驗機構現在是不是只有一家交通部有認可很多家國內外檢測機構有52家環保署的部分排氣的污染有5家噪音的部分有6家能源局耗能的部分有3家這個市場是自由的對吧 |
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這只有開放市場我想請你們去交通部還有經濟部有沒有來經濟部 邱卓會有來的經濟部還有交通部邱卓會署長您上來一下因為這也牽涉到經濟部 |
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裡面有一個檢測是經濟部的然後交通部的環保部環境部今天沒有沒有環境部也有來但是是不同的各位沒關係你們都上來一下這個題目你們也了解一下就是說如何不讓離島居民造成困擾買了車子又要再運過來運過去去檢驗才能掛牌您了解嗎剛剛我提了這幾位經濟部跟那個 |
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環境部都有聽到嘛那這個部分請你們是不是去研究一下可不可以輔導金門成立具檢驗資格的民間業者因為這市場本來就是開放的嘛那其中有各種檢驗的機構來輔導我們金門來成立在這個過程裡頭成立以後金門人就不用這樣奔波啦也是做一個比較便民的手續這樣回去你們是不是可以回去把這個問題拿回去研究一下有沒有 可以嗎 |
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我們待會去研究請問要多久交通部一個部一個部回答因為進口車檢驗有三個部會四個檢測交通部的部分的話我們盤點一下目前的狀況之後再跟委員報告大概多久 沒關係我給你時間兩個月給委員面書面報告兩個月現在是11月2號OK 那個經濟部這個環境有時間我們也是比照兩個月兩個月 那環境部呢 |
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財政部也請比較兩個月我既然給你們這麼充裕的時間麻煩你們叫做出可行的方案不是給我研究完再研究我要檔案可行的方案你不能研究完兩個月後告訴我你再研究好 謝謝好 謝謝然後接著財政部的這個這個離島建設不是對不起那個財化法剩下其他部會可以了 國庫署的嘛所以那個我剛聽說這個你們在12月底前會提出相對應的這個院版的 對嗎 |
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是的 我們會在年底前會把願板提送出來好 那我跟你們提醒一下在這個我們之前也提過不是我提事實上不管是民進黨執政或是國民黨執政針對這個財化委員會第8條裡頭金馬地區的這個菸酒稅的部分80%的部分留給金馬地區使用的這個部分這個 |
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不只是本席有提出來了我們的招委林士明招委也有提了再加上過去五年行政院的版本送進來的時候這五個這一條都是有列在裡頭從民國九十一年到現在歷年二十幾年要修才化法的時候不管是國民黨當執政黨或是民進黨當執政黨這一條就是 |
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第8條第4項裡頭的這個有關金馬地區的這個酒的這個部分是菸酒也是菸酒這個稅的部分因為從金馬地區斟菸酒那留給金馬地區這個使用這個也鼓勵地方要自己創造自己的財源這個部分都有提出來我希望是這個這個是不是在本次的這個行政院板頭把我們列入考慮 |
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跟委員報告我知道委員這邊本來就有對這個有提案只是很可惜上次在國民黨團那個版本裡面並沒有把委員是這一次沒有對但是你們要提願版嗎那提願版的時候當然委員這個建議還有我們都會一併納入考量對因為 |
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以前你們就提過了我是提醒你們不要再遺漏那這個東西事實上是很公平的因為這是當初加入WTO原來金馬地區是菸酒專賣制度產生的財務衝擊所以那時候才會提出這一點這已經是民國我想這個國會署署長很了解嘛這是你管的這個稅嘛民國九十一年就已經有提出這個制度了吧只是說因為財化延宕這麼多年一直沒有修嘛那既然這次這個財政部已經要提出願辦了請問把這一條也一併按照以往不管是哪一個黨執政都提出來條例不要忘掉這一條可以嗎 |
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會納入裡面來做考量OK好謝謝部長謝謝謝謝陳一貞委員接下來請羅廷維委員質詢我宣布一下就是我們待會12點我們現場直接開飯用餐12點就開飯用餐 |
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好 謝謝主席 有請部長請莊部長 |
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委員好部長好台灣現在發生非洲豬瘟外界關注兩個問題一個問題就是處於第二個問題就是邊境的管制我想要請問部長目前針對高風險的國家包括中國 越南 泰國入境的旅客 快遞的郵包以及查緝發現豬肉的比例為何 |
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对于这个邮包也好快递货物也好我们都是高风险进来的旅客行李都是X光的百分之百的检测那请问货柜呢货柜怎么查百分之百吗货柜的部分也是按照风险来做锁定然后有不同的查验比例所以它是有比例的吗 |
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而且高風險的比例就相對更高但是我要講的是說他沒有100%我們當然知道快遞的郵包你現在是100%入境的旅客100%但是貨櫃就是沒有100%我們看這樣子的一個新聞您看一下坦向尼亞的一個雜貨輪走私肉品來台他就是貨櫃來的 |
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如果沒有做到100%的查驗我們要如何確保肉類不會走失進來 |
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对于这个猪肉的防线我们第一个边境的防线第二个是后市场的防线第三个就是猪瘟厨余的一个防线这个三道防线都应该要做得很好我想每一个防线都应该各司其职的把它都做好没有问题厨余要不要关注要但是我现在就问 |
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貨櫃沒有100%我們怎麼處理當然你有跟我講現在高風險的國家來的貨櫃的一個查驗比例增加對吧 |
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我們一直都是在這樣做但是可不可以高風險的國家查驗的來到100%我想第一個你人力上當然我們高風險的我們查驗的比例一定會提很高的我想部長沒有所謂的人員的問題因為現在 |
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是關乎整個豬肉的產業鏈2000多億我想我們應該要提高現在我點出了問題貨櫃沒有100%貨櫃沒有100%貨櫃沒有100%這個部分就是我們現在要關注的一個議題近5年來查獲未經檢驗豬肉製品的一個數量來源國家以及財閥落實的情形部長你有掌握嗎 |
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跟委员报告我们关务署的同仁在这方面一直是用最高标准一个最严谨的态度来做处理的我想我相信所有的同仁一定是非常在这个岗位上一定是非常认真的去执行他们的业务但是我们这些坐在办公室的长官还有行政院能不能给予更多的人力更多的资源这是行政院的责任所以作为部长你们有没有反应 |
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现在货柜没有100%需要怎么样的一个人力物力来支持整个所有同仁在执勤上能够给予更多的一个资源坦尚尼亚的一个杂货轮绝对是冰山一角所以部长请你看这一份报告我们这一份报告是10月29日未还委员会农业部里面的报告关于防范非洲猪瘟的疫情扩散专案报告中农业部的书面报告提到 |
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跨部會的協同合作本部房檢署與財政部官務署還有海洋委員會以及海巡署溝通機制協同合作嚴禁入境旅客貨物歸物還有我們的國際快遞郵包以及岸際漁船聯合防堵相關的走私問題我想部長跨部會的一個協同合作怎麼樣的合作方式近5年來的合作 |
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到底有幾次 可以說明一下嗎我們合作是一直持續在進行的 |
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对有怎么样的合作方式合作有几次我们各有不同的一个执掌我们在执掌面上我们是一直都在合作的对包含勤职交换各方面都一直在联系整个政府都会是一直都在合作我们都相信但是我想了解一下效率可不可以说明一下这5年来查细过几件比例为何在跨部会的合作下 |
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这个数据我可以在会后再提供给委员是所以到底有没有跨部会协作当然是有跨部会的协作那到底合作过几次还是每天都在合作就叫做合作持续的持续都当然是要持续的合作不是说只有偶尔合作 |
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我們希望的是不要只有豬瘟爆發以後現在用這樣子的一個書面報告農業部有沒有說謊農業部有沒有真的落實跨部會的協助以及財政部有沒有支持這個我會後希望你能夠提供數據給我知道可以嗎 |
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我們把相關數據收集以後另外我想問一下在這個所得稅法裡面有特別幾項特別的扣除額儲蓄投資的扣除額教育學費的扣除額以及幼兒學前特別的扣除額長期照顧的扣除額皆是透過稅制的一個設計來滿足地方政府的目標社會公益那目前社會有在倡議的綠色扣除額部長您的態度如何 |
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有關所謂的綠色的稅制在氣候變形溫管法裡面第一個是以碳價先行綠色的稅制我們會等碳價進行一段時間以後再整體的再來做目前貨物稅也具有這樣的一個功能 |
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在綠色的稅制部長我今天提出來希望你重視綠色的扣除額這個問題當然你有先講了先從探製開始處理後續再來研議但是我希望目前整個民間在倡議的部分你要聽到這些心聲那今天昭偉站起來昭偉您非常的英明剛剛說發便當了再給我一分鐘拜託最後一分鐘那不用擔心他們大家都在休息部長風景神經聽就好就一分鐘30秒30秒OK來好 |
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最後30秒最後美國最高法院就川普援引的IEPA現在所法案所課徵的關稅是否違憲來做討論如果最高法院最後也支持這樣的裁決我要講的是如果最後川普違憲了 |
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財政部有沒有幫廠商預先規劃好幫我國的廠商業者統合之後統一由財政部聯合其他的部會向美國交涉處理而不是讓這個廠商各個單打獨鬥來向美國政府來討要他們之前所權益受損的甚至繳出去的關稅我希望財政部應該要趕快預先準備 |
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讓這些廠商沒有後顧之憂大廠商好談判中小廠商根本美國官員不會理他部長最後可不可以回應一下 |
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有關台美之間的關稅這個部分的協議跟討論是由那個經貿辦公室在主責那也是由我們的正副院長在領軍在持續的進行討論跟溝通當中我希望你把我今天的意思能夠帶到幫所有的中小業者來發聲統一由企業拜託政府來處理當然委員的意見我們會轉達好 謝謝羅天惟委員 |
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接下來請黃國昌委員質詢謝謝曹偉邁有請部長請莊部長委員好部長好2023年夏天在凱道上面有一個非常重要的公民活動那場活動發起的人我是其中之一 |
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2023年夏天頂著酷暑那個時候在凱道上面的年輕人提出了兩個重要的訴求一個是司法正義司法正義當然過去這幾年成為笑話第二個是居住正義居住正義當年我們大力的在倡導囤房稅跟空屋稅政府說他聽到了然後推出了所謂的囤房稅2.0 |
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這個囤房稅2.0當初我看了這個版本的以後我就曾經預言過這個囤房稅2.0你們所推出來財政部的版本是沒有辦法達成成效的 |
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沒有辦法達成成效這個是我當年的預言這個公開的資料通通都有這不是在唱衰政府這個是提出事情不過那個時候行政院還是堅持要通過行政院的版本行政院的版本那個時候民進黨的委員占多數也順利的三讀通過了 |
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三讀通過了在民主國家裡面我們在國會當然是福音多數的決定但多數的決定也要接受事後的檢視囤房稅2.0部長你覺得有達成釋出空屋減少囤房的政策目標嗎 |
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跟委員報告這一次房屋稅2.0這個部分我們有幾個基礎我想還是要跟委員再報告第一個原來是縣市歸戶不好意思我們是全國歸戶我那個因為質詢的時間有限我不需要你再告訴我你們規範了什麼內容你們規範的內容我都很清楚我現在問的是成效的問題屯房稅2.0你們說那個時候有報告空屋稅在裡面我現在的問題很簡單對於釋出空屋 |
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釋出空屋沒有人住的房子房子是拿來住的房子不是拿來炒的也不是拿來囤的對釋出空屋這樣的政策目標有達成嗎 |
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因為今年是第一年實施到五月底為止目前的相關的數據我們一直在統計當中統計以後的結果我們要去做回饋看看統計以後的結果目前還在統計中目前還在統計來我先秀給你看來你說你還要在統計當中你們回去慢慢統計空污率9.79過去六年最高 |
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囤房稅2.03讀後空污率持續上升我完全都是按照官方的資料我完全都是按照官方的資料這個是NGO團體合作大家做出來的結果NGO做得出來我們的財政部現在為了閃躲問題回去還要統計喔還是他做的數字不對 |
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這個部分我們目前正在統計當中我們按照個別的狀況來做分別的統計一樣在講空話嘛所以我具體的請教你嘛你看上面啊全部都是官方公佈的數字啊全部都是官方公佈的數字我現在告訴你啊你回你迴避問題閃躲問題說你要回去研究NG又把數字都亮出來啦囤房村2.03度通過以後空污的數量 |
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與空污率持續的上升啊這個數字不對嗎有達成政策效果嗎第二個沒關係啊你們回去統計要多久一個禮拜夠不夠還是要再統計一年一個禮拜夠不夠一個禮拜之內把財政部的數字啊把財政部的數字交出來可不可以可以好第二個新青安 |
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兩任行政院長大力宣傳的新青安財政部覺得成效如何青安確實幫助了沒有房屋的青年朋友們購得的房屋這個部分確實有它的成效是幫助他們還是讓他們陷入更深的深淵 |
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我想這個部分新青安上路以後房價指數漲多少你知不知道房價上漲有諸多的因素我現在只問你新青安上路以後房價指數漲多少你知不知道就我所知大概有10%左右12.3%我們在許諾年輕人居住正義的時候要讓他買得到買得起要讓他租得到租得起 |
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所以過去大家在關注的是什麼大家在關注的就是空屋有沒有釋出來嘛是不是繼續有囤房的現象嘛房價是不是繼續攀高嘛房價所得比是不是繼續惡化嘛這個才是讓人民特別是我們的年輕世代最深刻的感受這是他們最深刻的感受不是在踢你部長上來照本宣科啊 |
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房價指數上漲12.3%部長你覺得有實現居住正義的理念嗎有嗎委員報告居住正義它採取的手段有多種新清安是其中所以我才問你從新清安你認為是真的在幫助他們還是推他們進入更痛苦的深淵 |
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我請教你這個問題嘛購屋者他就從財務上來去做考量那銀行在貸款的時候做貸錢的審核以及貸後的管理都需要做的那包含他的所得支出的那銀行的貸後管理跟房價的上漲有什麼關係貸後的管理就是他要做自助使用而且他必須要所以你的意思是說現在因為銀行貸後管理不好所以有很多新清安被拿來炒房 |
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貸後管理他是讓他一定要做自住使用而且不能夠出租也不能夠做人頭那你覺得有達到這個目標嗎目前來說銀行都在做這方面的清理所以我問你你覺得有達到這個目標嗎您的目標是指 |
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不是啊 你剛說代後管理很重要要拿來自助嘛那我就問你嘛 現實上有落實嗎因為你一直在迴避一個最根本的問題啊我們的政府推出了各式各樣的政策有囤房稅2.0結果呢 結果空屋率持續上升空屋數持續上升我當年2023年就講了你們推的沒有用 |
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那當然要檢驗客觀看出來的數字就是這樣星期二2.0要協助購屋者很多年輕人現在在問的事情是什麼是真的在協助他們還是更多的錢到了不動產市場房價越炒越高他們的主觀感受我當然要用客觀數字來呈現呈現出來的結果就是這個樣子他們的主觀感受沒有錯 |
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他們要看的不是財政部一樣照本宣科講的那個內容大家要看的是實際的效果到底有沒有效果讓我們變得比較好還是讓我們變得比較不好政府推薦車的目的不就在這裡嗎是要聽你們站在那邊照本宣科嗎 |
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你們到目前為止針對新興安上路到現在因為卓榮泰自己對社會講要用其他的方式來處理我聽了以後我就覺得很有意思如果本來做得很好幹嘛用其他的方式你就繼續這樣幹就好啦連卓榮泰自己都知道有問題了這才要修正才用其他的方式來處理 |
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院會質詢的時候也有委員問他你新清安要繼續搞嗎他看起來是沒有要繼續搞啦因為他知道問題嚴重啦他說要用其他的方式啊財政部會建議行政院繼續搞新清安嗎 會嗎 |
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跟委員報告新親愛目前指引狀況是要到115年7月31號當然在時間戒指之前我們會重新再檢討不用等到時間戒指之前現在效應都出來了現在效應都出來了有多少年輕人因此墜入了更深更重的負擔政府的承諾根本是在畫大餅這就是你們制度的成效 |
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財政部如果覺得我說的不對那沒有關係拿出具體的數字來反駁我拿出具體的數字來告訴全國的年輕人我們的政策方向正確我們做得非常的棒我財政部部長一定會告訴卓榮泰這件事情一定要繼續幹你會給卓榮泰這樣的建議嗎我想這個部分我們會繼續檢討慢慢研議我已經知道你要說什麼了 |
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好 我們謝謝黃國昌委員接下來請羅明財委員質詢主席 各位委員 初六席 觀音員 大家好主席可否請財政部莊部長請莊部長以及關務署的彭署長關務署彭署長 |
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委員好那個新青安開始大概多少年的時間了那加匯多少的年輕人總金額是多少新青安是從112年的8月開始實施的那總共合帶的戶數有13萬6500戶那這個是等於是協助有13萬的朋友們去買了房子是 那這個中間有很多人買兩戶 |
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不會啊 不能啊只能他必須是他本人配偶跟未成年子女是名下沒有房子的才可以申請新青安所以你說新青安加會了多少人 |
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多少人 那你說人是指戶還是指一個人戶好了那我覺得你用13萬6518來對 13萬最少 那是戶其實有很多年輕朋友他想要買房現在也不敢買因為買了所有的東西還是攪不起而且房屋的這個價格節節高升 |
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即便現在我們普發現金多少一萬塊也沒有用相較之下可以說是越差越遠距離越來越大所以明年新清單就到齊了7月新清案的政策還會繼續再延續下去嗎 |
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這個部分跟委員報告這個部分我們當然會就執行的情況再來做一些檢討看要不要做調整那會不會調整大概什麼時候會對外公佈那當然會在截止之前 |
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所以是7月底7月30号再公布之前的意思是前一个月前半年我想这个确定的时候就可以说明现在有时候到了分户的时候那事实上银行他就拨款现在这个情况还在出现吗 |
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這個部分因為對新青安的部分已經做了一些調整也就因為他們是沒有房屋的買房子所以在銀行法的部分儘管會做處理就是去除了72條之2的一個總額的計算然後在排撥就是說在等待撥款的部分也已經舒緩了 |
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所以72條之二開始解禁了以後那這段時間有多少的戶數又成交了就是分戶的部分有順利貸款貸成的這個部分舒緩了排波因為原來因為有這個天條這個限制所以在都必須要等待排隊那現在整個已經舒緩了在時間上都已經加快現在還沒有在排隊沒有辦法完成的 多不多 |
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目前看起來都沒有 都不會了對 都會按照原來規定的時程來給予撥款好的一個案子因為有他的這個動機我們希望能真正的照顧到年輕人是的 |
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至少讓大家買得起 住得起 付得起有未來無論如何要想一個好的方法如果說真的造成年輕人的壓力所以就不敢買房 不敢結婚 不生小孩事實上這是很嚴重的國安問題建議部長 全世界例子蠻多的你可以參考新加坡主屋的例子 |
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推出一個更好的政策讓年輕人他可以有未來他繼續願意留在台灣認真努力的打拚這才是政府存在的原因 |
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對委員所提的也就是我們提出各項的政府提出各項的住宅政策裡面的許多的一些做法包含社會住宅社會住宅基本上是用出租的還有它那個現在的制度新興安是協助他們購買 對其實現在就是 |
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把羈押一些政策全部放在一個籠子裡面羈押根本就不同籠你羈押同籠就打架想的東西政策方面思考的點就會不一致譬如說現在一直打房另外一個角度來看台北市的豪宅它的定義是幾千萬 |
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豪宅7000是吧的定義就是說幾千萬兩個不一樣央行有央行的定義財政部有財政部的定義所以我們這邊是多少錢那個好像財政部的豪宅的標準是台北市幾千萬我們就是那個舊屋的房屋所得的那個部分台北市是60006000萬事實上你台北市的豪宅6000萬那等於是幾坪叫豪宅 |
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報告委員我們不是真的定義叫豪宅我們只是定義是用課稅的基礎可是那銀行所以大家都聽不懂那央行的豪宅的定義是多少7千7千萬台北市7千其實你以現在的這個生活水平來看你比較新加坡日本東京或者上海香港等等7千萬怎麼能算是豪宅 |
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那我就倒著算那你好載等於是一個房子是幾坪這個定義因為有政策上不同在央行裡面它因為信用的管制所以它定一個價格你們思考一下其實是兩個概念你台北市比較淡黃區你要讓它經濟蓬勃發展你貴就讓它貴嘛 |
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但是年輕人要住的你要離台北市區大概20 30分鐘像日本東京都的概念你讓年輕人在周圍有捷運可以通的地方你要讓他住得起讓他付得起這個 |
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一個概念你要包括住宅政策以及銀行融資貸款新清安的政策你要包裹在一起想所以你看新加坡 香港他們有很多都市中心的一些周邊的市中心會出現 |
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你要把這個整個融合在一起另外講到今天的免稅的問題 牌照這影響最大的就是新北市新北市因為這樣稅損多少 |
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新北市的稅損我們大概再查一下11億多11億多不會 一年沒有那麼多吧有那麼多嗎請新北市跟委員報告過去是11.7億未來5年如果再免徵是38億對 所以你未來這幾年再免徵38億他講的是累計數不是一年累計數 |
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那就是未来还有38亿部长那你这个部分少的部分你中央要怎么样补回来啊刚刚第一个跟委员报告我想这个在税法里面是地方政府得免征使用牌照税所以地方政府可以依照他自己的财政状况去考量怎么样去执行当然目前实务上地方政府都是给予免征这是一个那第二个呢 |
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鼓勵使用電動車對於空氣的污染是有好的我想對於地方政府在空氣污染的防治上是也有所幫助剛才也有許多委員提到是不是要有其他中央的一個相關的基金來做一些補貼或補助這是很需要的目前來說相關的部會他們會後會去再做進一步的研議請部長多多考慮因為你少了這一塊38億對我們新北市的400多萬的 |
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人民來說情何以堪因為我們教育也要錢長照也要錢你少了這38億這麼大的一塊那我們必須要補上去這由來中央多多給予照顧你這樣的話不要說因為推了這個法案造成地方這些弱勢團體或者這些年輕的老人的一些關懷的照顧減少的話 |
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那你這個可以說是整個政策的推動為得不足啊所以拜託減多少請補多少這是一個觀念那今天那個好不容易我們爭取的普發現金以外現在今天開始上路了嗎 |
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今天开始预登记了总算努力了一年多从开始中央还说没钱这个政策不可能那我们也是证明了说国家至上民众第一还好你们这个所有的方向转回来开始普发现金一万一人领一万快乐常相伴我希望这是一个开始 |
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未來每年稅收超征的時刻還是要時時刻刻想到人民照顧人民因為現在大家莫忘世上苦人多希望一萬一萬有機會年年都要來好不好年年都要來現在詐騙很多財政部在宣導方面還是要多多加強 |
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我知道財政部又在宣導直至目前為止很多人還問說那我會被騙請問部長你要化波入帳以你個人來說還是你要領現金 |
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以我上一次的話我是用登記錄帳也就是在網站上面就是輸入相關的資料以後他會自動撥款的那是因為你比較熟悉一般民眾覺得詐騙多他還是希望領到熱騰騰的現金比較實在希望說這個錢領到了以後大家隨意想領的就領部長你會鼓勵大家不要領因為不領大家就回歸到國庫 |
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我想今天來看今天來看一個早上已經預登記的就是有47萬了我想很多民眾都已經開始進去做預登記你看大家等好久了所以這個47萬的話連續加一加上一次大概來領的超過99%沒有領的不到1%這次部長你怎麼預計我們認為應該也可以達到99%以上是 |
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部长您临了意外要做什么使用我自己会有自己的决定 |
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什麼樣的決定我是要捐出來因為現在弱勢團體很多單親家庭或者是一些關懷的團體這幾年的收入很少所以我領到一萬我要捐出來部長你領到一萬要做什麼用委員充滿愛心捐款的部分其實我平常也就都在信用卡扣款就在捐這個部分一萬塊我會自己做相關的決定做什麼一萬塊想那麼久 |
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我问那个行政院长他就说他要捐出来我说你捐我也捐所以你要不要捐出来我会做自己的决定那捐我平常都在捐我不会只等这1万块才捐的你等很久你加自己的小菜为自己补一下好 谢谢促进经济的成长好 谢谢罗明财委员好 部长请回接下来请黄珊珊委员咨询 |
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謝謝主席 請莊部長好 請莊部長委員好是 部長早我想您剛剛11月21號在仁川去參加了APEC的財政部長會議我想問一下這次我們到底有多少成果有沒有對國內政策有什麼新的啟發或回來之後會做哪些調整 |
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跟委員報告在APEC裡面基本上各國會就他們國內的情形以及國際的一個趨勢做一些分享那我想這個部分呢對於有關的數位金融的發展以及區域經濟的合作都有非常正面的一些裡面好像最重要的是人工智慧嗎 |
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人工智慧也是很討論很多大家也知道這個運用上目前來說是一個很重要的一個趨勢現在全世界都在發展人工智慧我們立法院今年四月也三讀通過了產創條例那擴大所謂的資本投資堅定這個項目但目前為止我們調高的金額到二十億左右 |
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但大家都知道人工智慧大概20億是一個很少的錢人家是數百億數千億美金計所以這個部分在稅務上或我們相關的基礎設施的建設上面財政部跟財稅優惠是不是也要開始做一些檢討 |
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這個是10億調到20億這個是在今年才修正通過的產創條例裡面那目前有沒有來試用了這個是在設備投資的部分如果其他在研發也好或其他的部分也都有相關的可以做優都有可以做投資抵減的這個我們不要輸給人家我知道委員的意思大家都把它當成未來最重要的事情我們的法令還要等到立法院修那修了之後現在有新的狀況我覺得我們還是要 |
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隨時甚至為了提升國家競爭力你的稅賦是你的一個很重要的工具是 了解第二個部分就剛剛很多委員在說的我昨天也有在內政部門質詢了卓榮泰院長也就是辛清安院長昨天給我明確的回答是他不會延長那不會延長的原因是因為要用新的方式我想問一下財政部有參與不會延長新的方式的討論嗎 |
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跟委员报告还是还没开始讨论这个部分其实在执行来说从这个12年的8月到现在我知道大家都有些不同的一些反应但是我们也不可否认他确实有协助到一些青年朋友们去买了他自己要自住的房子有一些好处但是也找到一大堆坏处也找到一些当然也有一些问题我们执行完你的发现的就是有很多人头户嘛 |
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很多出租戶嘛 抓到了一千多戶了現在還有再繼續抓嗎 要回了多少錢已經要回總共有一億多 上一次我在這邊問的時候還有一個就是年收入300萬以上的人也有 |
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六千多戶也就是說這些我們接下來不管你是不是繼續試用在你這一次的政策執行上面就應該檢討了 |
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我們也進一步請我們的因為這個清新安都是公股行庫在承作是 所以是財政部本身就可以檢討到的我們去把它做一些盤整了如果年收入300萬的還要拿我們的政府補貼這的確跟我們居住正義的本意是有相違背的如果可能的話在你們的內部跟公股行庫溝通的過程裡面這個其實不應該讓他感覺有相對剝奪感 |
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这些人当然他也是符合条件但是拿的是政府的补助这一点有一点太过违德不足好 我们会把这个部分有关这个部分所以不要等到明年七月再检讨这个部分我希望你在年底前至少在高所得的部分我们要有一个说难听点了 |
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水要給他關起來或者就是不給他要了你就自己去想辦法你一般貸款你也拿得到如果他的所得300萬他一般貸款也沒有問題對不對拿新興按的補貼要幹嘛一年住宅基金要給公共航庫45億 |
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45億的補貼你們好意思拿嗎好嗎年底之前我覺得針對高所得這個貸款的項目跟我們原來的設定的目標的確是有相違部分我希望你們有個檢討的記錄給我是 |
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好 接下來我們就是今天的牌照稅了所以部長我們使用牌照稅連年超增耶113年全國收到687.3億比原來預期多了11.4億這是一個什麼樣的狀況就是大家很愛買車所以交了很多牌照稅 |
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第一個使用牌照稅預算數 還是估得很差譬如說114年我看它的預算數大概681億這個是預估都是在地方政府他們估出來的地方政府估的 因為它是地方稅顯然每一年都在增加另外就是牌照稅它跟燃料費不太一樣燃料費 |
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大部分是來做公路建設那屬於規費交通部他的監理機關他自己來收但是使用牌照稅是目前法規上是地方稅所以他的地方就是要讓地方政府來收這個牌照稅也是地方的稅收之一是的OK所以他應該是用在地方建設 |
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因為我們現在監理所我們很多人是車籍資料登記在比如說像我的戶籍在台北市我們就登記在台北市但是車籍資料監理所現在已經可以登錄通訊地址 |
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但是牌照稅目前為止就剛剛講它其實是要建設地方用的可是我們的牌照稅只能放在戶籍地可是眾所周知有多少人的多少民眾的在台北陪台灣工作但戶籍可能在中南部要回去投票 |
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那同樣的他的牌照稅可能就交給了地方政府可是他的車子在大台北跑跑走所以我們到底是這個狀況有沒有去了解一下當然這地方重要的稅啦我的意思是說有一些他畢竟是要輔助地方的活動那是不是有可能在做居住城市跟單純的車企登記可能要做一些至少要了解狀況 |
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部長知道我的意思嗎以監理機關登記的一個地方對 但監理機關現在已經可以給所謂的登錄通訊地址像很多人他其實沒有住在他的戶籍地 |
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一樣的意思 牌照稅這一次我們台灣民眾黨有兩個提案就是電動車當然繼續第二個部分是長照長照我看到今天時間在你我請衛福部好嗎衛福部有來衛福部說你們財政部反對對於長照車輛免徵牌照稅或減徵那衛福部是相關長照業務的主管機關 |
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現在很多的民眾他們去叫所謂的富康巴士幾乎非常非常難叫到要像搶演唱會門票一樣要一大早準時上網登記所以富康巴士的量能其實有一大半 |
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有领取我们长照的民众他其实是没有办法用到所以我想问一下卫福部的立场你们对于假如家里有需要长照的民众他们的使用牌照税你们的立场是什么 |
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這個部分我們其實是尊重財政部的評估不過在長照的部分其實個案它如果本身有身障的資格跟長照的資格它也可以同時使用身障的福康巴士但是我剛剛跟你講說福康巴士比登天還難叫大部分都跟搶演唱會一樣要很認真的去打電腦 |
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所以我的意思是說長照是台灣未來必經的道路而且現在你將近有一半的人沒有身心障礙但是他目前在使用政府的長照他拿不到身心障礙免稅的機會但是他自己還是用家人的車輛去接送需要長照的家人 |
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所以這個部分也是我們希望說如果拿到政府長照的人他是不是有機會在他的交通方面也有一些相關的優惠請衛福部也表示一下你們的意見好嗎不是只有尊重財政部財政部只要講到稅他都不會同意啦但是你衛福部身為主管機關你們要表達你們的立場 |
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今天拿不到身心障礙可是他又拿到長照然後他沒有相關的機會可能富康巴士也不見得做得到這才是今天最大的問題你知道我的意思嗎有一塊他是要家人自己送去 |
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醫院或者是相關的使用的但他沒有辦法得到相關的優惠好嗎請衛福部一樣一個月給我一個你們的評估報告我覺得對於這些拿不到身心障礙的車牌的長照的民眾我們對於他有什麼樣其他的優惠方式好嗎是我們提供長照的部分我們再進行回覆說明謝謝委員好謝謝部長好謝謝黃珊珊委員部長請回 |
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接下來我們請楊瓊英委員質詢謝主席 楊瓊英發言邀請部長請莊部長 |
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委員好 部長好本席提出了使用牌照稅法第五條的修正今天早上大家也討論了一個上午了所以本席首先要請教部長你應該是支持本席所提案吧就是從一百一十四年延長到一百一十九年 |
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是 願滿也是從114年延長到119年底是的好 那我們終於有了一個共識方向一致那因為我們推動這個電動車的政策是這個ESG的概念大家全面 |
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要怎麼樣去推動所以我本席才會提出的這個條例就從114年延長到5年也就是119年底因為我們知道現在我們的電動車的購車成本還是高 |
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同時我們充電的環境它還沒有很普及所以換句話說在整個的部件建構還不是很完整所以我們更應該要支持更應該要推動所以我們希望市場要有信心讓它整個的轉型不要斷層 |
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這是整個國家的政策所以同意了如此我們共同這個方向我相信一定對我們的淨零碳排會有很大的一個幫助等於在整個轉型方面也會有一個銜接面會成功所以我們希望讓產業在投資跟一個基礎建設方面它有喘息 |
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跟佈局的空間最重要的就是綠色交通長期的發展的一個穩定基礎這一點很重要我們也希望各位同仁大家來支持主席台也儘速將這個使用牌照 |
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稅法第五條的修正同意可以趕快送出去讓他三讀通過在這邊也給國人報告接下來本席要跟您討論的是公共銀行我們防範詐騙因為現在只要講到詐騙整個全民都要炸鍋甚至連我們今天開始的普發現金開始登記那部長 |
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我們也了解今天開始登機我相信你的指標應該可以達到99%吧 |
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對 根據上一次的經驗大概都有超過99%的民眾都有去申領這個補發現金對 那換句話說這個99%這個政策是對的是民眾需要的終於我們一直吶喊我們一直建議因為探求明末政府也聽到了民意那我覺得很好而且執行率就99%以上那代表著這個政策是正確的 |
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但是就在這個過程當中我們通過之後馬上就有詐騙的釣魚簡訊就出來了這個是讓我們非常炸舌所以在這樣的情況之下宮古銀行我看到防範詐騙本席也跟你討論過幾次就是我們也投入了資源 |
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跟經費但是針對於國庫署的一個統計2021年到2024年八大公股銀行防詐經費總共大概6500萬元2025年 今年大概在投資1.8億左右 甚至還更超過所以各家的銀行也積極地在導入AI監測的模型 |
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我們希望就是疑似涉到帳戶預警平台跟跨行的聯訪通報機制來強化內部教育訓練但是我們都做了我相信大家都做了但是我看到我們立法運算中心指出顯示 |
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警示的帳戶數它仍舊在攀升甚至發生銀行內部也有勾結的這個媒體上面也都有報出來那表示內控的制度的成效是有落差 |
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是有落差 所以部長我們既然希望要強化整個這個績效那我們要怎麼樣的一個作為因為宮古銀行所 |
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給的資源也就是防詐的基金已經超過1億以上但是他仍舊不斷地警示賬戶不斷地在增加所以在這樣的情況之下你們是不是有一定的量化的一個指標來衡量在整個你投資報酬率裡頭針對於防詐的部分他不會留以行事要怎麼去精進呢請教部長 |
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謝謝委員我想第一個就是您剛剛提到的警示帳戶那其實是當然累積上面總數額是有在增加但是事實上是有比去年同期1到9月份來說事實上比去年同期是減少了20%的一個警示帳戶但這個數字不足以來參考 |
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因為我們投資的金額比去年一定還要多所以剛剛本席特別跟你說的你必須量化去衡量你的成效是的 會的另外委員提到一個就是說內部同仁如果對外勾結這個部分是絕不寬帶的一定會移送法辦 |
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而且一定會給予免職那這個部分我們要求各公股行庫對內的銀行的同仁都要能夠加強對他們的一個教育訓練以及告訴他們絕對不可以做這樣的一個事情同時對於相關的懲處也把成績拉高不是只有這個分行我們對要求總行都必須要有懲處 |
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不要让某一个人影响到我们整个公股银行的士气这是不行但是本贤还是着重在于你的量化跟你的衡量投资下去的金额跟你经济的方案 |
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对 会的这个部分我们各公股行库用各种方式包含对于就是为实名登录的社群我们都不再投注广告以及跟高检署来做联防这个部分部长一件所回答的也就是你目前 |
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本席已經告訴你你的詐騙帳戶數還是在增加所以換句話說你目前所用的方式是不足以應對所以本席才具體要求你應該去精進方案將你精進方案的方式持續的精進是一定會要做的來給本席謝謝謝謝委員謝謝楊全元委員也謝謝部長 |
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接下來請徐欣穎委員徐欣穎委員 徐欣穎委員不在接下來請王洪威委員質詢好 謝謝主席我請我們財政部長莊部長好 請莊部長然後我請今天也有到場列席的我們新北市的財政局局長好嗎好 新北市 |
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陳榮貴 陳局長部長好 局長好我們今天主要討論電動車牌照稅延長我想這部分包含行政院還有立法院跨黨派的委員都非常支持剛才我做提案說明的時候我有特別講因為今天為什麼找了我們六都的財政局或者是相關的稅制局的主管來 |
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就是因為牌照稅是屬於地方稅所以我相信在你們研擬稅法修正的時候也會找我們地方的財主單位來做討論但是近年來其實是有一個問題因為確實我們最近討論很多中央財政的收支劃分 |
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但是過去常常是會有一個問題就是中央請客然後地方買單所以我想請問一下陳局長我想牌照稅這個有關電動車牌照稅的這個優惠延長你們應該是支持那但是在如果說尤其六都這個電動車會比較多那在你們的稅損的部分稅收損失的部分你們有沒有期望或希望說中央 |
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未來就從這個排料稅或者未來這些相關的你們地方的稅收損失的部分是不是應該予以給一些相關的補助跟分攤 |
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跟委員報告未來五年如果再減免我們新北會稅損大概38億38億對我們是希望說由中央能源相關主管機關不管是經濟部的能源發展基金還是環境部的溫室氣體管理基金如果再不足就是公務預算編列撥補基金也可以 |
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所以其實地方上38億其實對中央可能是九牛一毛對不起 時間暫停一下我也請我們台北市我們台北市今天是副局長來時間暫停 請台北市商務副局長 商務副局長我們台北市的稅收損失是多少 |
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跟一座報告一下我們如果是接下來在延長大概5年的時間我們目前這邊推算大概可能會有到88億的情況但是因為這還是要看整體的整個在未來5年整體的電動車成長的幅度以及推估的方式當然其實如果電動車越多那相對的稅損會越高這是必然的 |
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那因為時間關係我就不一一請個這個因為我們還有台中 桃園 台南那時間暫停一下兩位局長先可以請回謝謝當然我們其他我們桃園 台南或者是台中如果要給我們相關數字我們也會非常歡迎所以局長不對 部長 |
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哪怪你不動如山部長有關於這個政策大家都支持但是它的稅收損失會集中在六都越是都會區 越會使用電動車的它的稅收損失越大你可以看得出來其實對地方政府來講台北市88億稅損新北市38億稅損其實對他們來講都是會肉痛的 |
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你看光是新秀就是輝達的那塊T17、18大家來會再講它的權利金也不過不到40億、3、4億左右就來來回回談那麼久 |
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所以這個牌照稅未來有沒有可能就是我們也來做一個協調就如同剛才陳局長說的比如說我們透過什麼農園發展基金或者是其他的相關的基金裡面對地方給予相關的補貼跟分攤 |
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我想剛剛也好幾位委員都提出這樣的一個意見那我們那個環境部還有那個交通部還有經濟部他們都說他有關相關基金的部分是未來要做有關補貼部分他們帶回去研議 |
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带回去研议非常好那另外时间有限那请教因为我们有关于台美贸易谈判照理讲应该接近尾声因为赖总统告诉我们很快就有好消息只是我们现在的好消息到现在为止还不知道那我曾经问过经济部长因为大家一般认为我们对于美制的汽车进口关税会是一个重点那会不会 |
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最後我們對美國進口的汽車關稅降到零我想請問以部長來說我們如果把美製的汽車進口關稅降至零對稅損的部分會有很大影響嗎 |
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根据我们大概算过是44亿44亿应该是在可应该绝对是可容忍的范围对不对就你们税损的评估来说目前来说谈判还在进行当中 |
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對因為經濟部長他考慮到的是產業產業的影響你財政部長考慮的就是稅收的影響44億是可容忍的範圍嗎44億目前當然還要看其他的項目整體來看 |
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14975.916 |
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好那另外一个我比较关心在去年我应该去年我也有问过对消费者来讲非常关心的两大关税一个就是汽车当然还有所谓的烟瓶还有保健食品最主要是保健食品 |
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那保健食品呢因為我們跟其他國家的進口關稅稅率我們確實偏高那麼台灣高達30%那這個比其他國家或東南亞國家都要偏高所以使得很多人到美國是一定要去買保健食品的那請問一下保健食品的進口關稅是不是可以調降 |
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第一個在台美談判裡面保健食品談判的稅率是多少當然還在討論當中經濟部的產發署也有提出有關保健食品調降關稅的一些方案時間暫停 正好產發署有來邱署長 經濟部產發署邱署長 |
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好 署長這個是很多消費者非常關心的就是這個進口保健食品30%太高了可不可以調降或者是調降到零或者是至少可以調降到跟其他至少你可以要跟亞洲國家差不多吧報告委員就是現在經濟部跟財政部已經在啟動一個調降保健食品的這樣的一個關稅 |
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的一個過程因為這牽涉到對消費者來講的話應該要給他們更多的好處優惠另外的話就是產業的發展所以我們現在是正在開會協調是不是能夠降到一個大家可以接受的數字兼顧到消費者的利益以及產業的發展所以降一半是合理範圍吧 |
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这个也是一个考虑的方向因为如果降一半的话就跟日本差不多那降一半之后还有可能再往下降吗如果跟韩国比的话如果说要再往下降的话也可以考虑用比较阶段性的这样的方式来调降也是一种可以考虑的方向 |
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用階段性但階段性可能要有一個期限對不對所以這樣50%是絕對可以看到的是一個可以討論的方向是可以討論的方向我知道你不會告訴我現在詳細的稅率但是我們希望能夠知道這個是往這個方向因為這個其實消費者長期都在討論好不好我覺得至少你要比照日本或者韓國好不好可以嗎好可以謝謝 |
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謝謝委員我們謝謝王宏偉委員部長請回接下來請蘇清泉委員蘇清泉委員蘇清泉委員不在鄭振淺委員鄭振淺委員鄭振淺委員不在謝一鳳委員謝一鳳委員謝一鳳委員不在何新淳委員何新淳委員何新淳委員不在葉延芝委員葉延芝委員葉延芝委員不在 |
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我們今日登記發言委員均已詢答完畢本次會議做如下決議說明均詢答完畢委員諮詢未及答覆或請求補充資訊請相關部會議議中人以書面答覆委員另要求期限者從其所定 |
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| transcript.whisperx[585].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[585].text |
本日將先宣讀使用牌照稅法及修正動議等30案提案內容另擇期繼續審查本次會議議程已進行完畢堂友不在場委員補題書面質詢一併列入記錄刊登公報並請議事人員協助處理現在請議事人員宣讀使用牌照稅法等29案提案內容宣讀完畢後散會 |
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使用牌照稅法修正草案案行政院提案對照現行條文修正第五條第二項條文部長我們各機關可以先行離席了謝謝大家請大家安靜的離席謝謝 |
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直轄市及縣市政府於下列期間得對完全以電能為動力之機動車輛免徵使用牌照稅並報財政部被查1.電動汽車自中華民國101年1月6日起至119年12月31日止2.電動機車自中華民國107年1月1日起至119年12月31日止 |
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| transcript.whisperx[588].end |
15266.623 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].text |
委員邱政軍等19人提案委員陳昌明等18人提案委員羅明才等20人提案委員楊瓊瑩等27人提案委員徐宇珍等22人提案委員邱若驊等17人提案委員林俊憲等26人提案委員王宏偉等19人提案委員蘇清泉等18人提案委員郭育晴等19人提案 |
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15267.483 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].end |
15296.512 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].text |
委員王美惠等19人提案委員李坤誠等18人提案委員羅廷偉等17人提案委員郭國文等18人提案委員吳佩儀等17人提案委員葛如君等16人提案委員林思明等22人提案委員賴士寶等25人提案委員黃建豪等20人提案及台灣民眾黨黨團提案均與行政院提案相同 |
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| transcript.whisperx[590].end |
15303.288 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].text |
委員李燕秀等16人提案修正第五條第二項通行證院提案 |
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15304.508 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].end |
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令新增第三項前項減免年限借期前半年行政院得依電動車登記數量充電基礎設施覆蓋率及其他低碳運具推展情況決定是否延長減免年限委員徐欣盈的二十四人提案修正第五條第二項同行政院提案令新增第三項前項完全以電能為動力之機動車輛馬達最大馬力超過二百六十二英制馬力HP或 |
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15335.701 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].end |
15337.771 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].text |
265.9公至馬力 PS者不予免徵 |
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委員廖偉祥等19人提案修正第五條第二項條文為直轄市及縣市政府於下列期間得對完全以電能為動力直機動車輛免徵使用牌照稅並報財政部被查一 電動汽車自中華民國101年1月6日起至120年12月31日止二 電動機車自中華民國107年1月1日起至120年12月31日止 |
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15368.84 |
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15388.013 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].text |
委員審發會等17人提案修正第五條第二項條文為直轄市及縣市政府於下列期間得對完全以電能為動力之機動車輛免徵使用牌照稅並報財政部被查1.電動汽車自中華民國101年1月6日起至118年12月31日止 |
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15391.135 |
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15407.673 |
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二 電動機車自中華民國107年1月1日起至118年12月31日止委員廖先祥等17人提案修正第五條第一項條文為使用牌照稅按交通工具種類分別課徵除機動車輛應就其車輛價格及年份劃分等級 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].start |
15411.957 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].end |
15424.512 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].text |
船舶因按其頓位分別依第六條規定計徵外其他交通工具之徵收率由直轄市及縣市政府擬定提經同級民意機關通過並報財政部被查 |
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15425.891 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].end |
15444.224 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].text |
修正第38條條文本法自公佈日施行但中華民國103年5月30日修正之第7條及106年11月14日修正之第6條附表5規定本法修正之第5條自修正公佈日之次年1月1日施行 |
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15445.365 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].end |
15461.712 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].text |
委員廖偉祥等17人提案修正第7條第1項第8款身心障礙者及其配偶二親等以內親屬及最近一年有同居40至其他親屬之車輛供該身心障礙者使用免疫每一身心障礙者以一輛為限 |
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15462.972 |
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15476.602 |
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但氣缸總排氣量超過2400立方公分完全以電能為動力之馬達最大馬力超過262英制馬力HP或265.9公制馬力PS者其免徵金額以2400立方公分262英制馬力HP或265.9公制馬力PS車輛之稅額為限超過部分不予免徵 |
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15491.813 |
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15507.209 |
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修正第38條本法自公佈日施行但中華民國全年、全月、全日修正之第7條自修正公佈日之次年1月1日施行委員、中嘉賓等16人提案修正第7條第一項第8款 |
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15508.427 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].end |
15531.067 |
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公持有身心障礙手冊或證明並領有駕駛執照者使用且為該身心障礙者所有之車輛每人以一輛為限因身心障礙情況至無駕駛執照者其本人配偶或同一戶及二親等以內親屬所有公該身心障礙者使用之車輛每一身心障礙者以一輛為限 |
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15532.819 |
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15548.737 |
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上述之身心障礙者若年滿65歲就無駕駛執照之身心障礙者適用之同一戶籍二親等以內之親屬不受二親等之限制其相關規定由主管機關定之但氣缸總排氣量超過2400立方公分 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].start |
15550.399 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].end |
15577.24 |
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完全以電能為動力之馬達最大馬力超過262英制馬力HP或265.9公制馬力PS者其免徵金額以2400立方公分262英制馬力HP或265.9公制馬力PS車輛之稅額為限超過部分不予免徵委員紐許庭整17人提案修正第一項第八款 |
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15578.376 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].end |
15604.242 |
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供持有身心障礙手冊或證明並領有駕駛執照者使用且為該身心障礙者所有之車輛每人以一輛為限因身心障礙情況至無駕駛執照者其本人配偶或同一戶及二親等以內親屬或成立司法院釋字第78號解釋施行法第二條關係之人就同一戶及對方二親等以內親屬所有 |
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15605.982 |
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15619.956 |
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公該身心障礙者使用之車輛每一身心障礙者以一輛為限但氣缸總排氣量超過2400立方公分完全以電容為動力之馬達最大馬力超過262英制馬力HP或265.9公制馬力PS者其免增金額以2400 |
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15628.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].end |
15632.845 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].text |
立方公分262英制馬力HP或265.9公制馬力PS車輛之稅額為限超過部分不予免徵 |
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15639.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].end |
15662.831 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].text |
台灣民眾黨黨團提案第七條第一項增列第十二款因長期照顧需求其本人配偶或同一戶籍二親等以內親屬所有公該需長期照顧之身心失能者使用之車輛每一符合中央衛生福利主管機關公告需長期照顧之身心失能者以一輛為限 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].start |
15664.403 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].end |
15678.092 |
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但氣缸總排氣量超過2400立方公分完全以電能為動力之馬達最大馬力超過262英制馬力HP或265.9公制馬力PS者其免徵金額以2400立方公分262英制馬力HP或265.9公制馬力PS車輛之稅額為限超過部分不予免徵 |
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| transcript.whisperx[609].text |
委員林德福等人所提修正動議 |
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15699.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].end |
15725.159 |
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第五條第二項刪除並報財政部被查之規定修正電動車輛免徵使用牌照稅期限延長五年至一百十九年十二月三十一日至新增第三項前項至中華民國一百十五年一月一日起因免徵使用牌照稅造成直轄市及縣市政府減少之稅收應由中央能源主管機關補足之 |
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15735.119 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].text |
提案人 林德福 賴世保 林思銘 李彥秀 顏寬恒 陳玉珍 羅明才 宣讀完畢 |