| IVOD_ID |
17010 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17010 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-15-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-05T08:37:22+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-05T13:40:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
05:02:38 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/eeffa975d6a1e3ea16bff821a9cb407da3a7e99c17fcbd2883051bafb051454b990bb4162ab30c785ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：邀請內政部部長率同所屬列席報告業務概況(含上會期臨時提案辦理情形)，並備質詢。
【11月5日及6日兩天一次會】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
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08:37:22 - 13:40:00 |
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我們這裡主領必須報告出席人數報告委員會出席委員11人 已足法定人數 |
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我們現在來開會進行報告事項 先讀上次會議議事錄立法院第十一屆第四會期內政委員會第八次全體委員會議事錄時間一百一十四年十月二十九日星期三上午九時一分至十二時二十七分地點紅樓二零二會議室出席委員蘇巧慧委員等十三人列席委員洪孟凱委員等十六人請假委員黃婕委員一人 |
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列席官員 內政部政務次長馬世元暨相關人員 海洋委員會主任委員管碧玲暨相關人員 農業部動植物防疫檢疫署署長杜力華暨相關人員 財政部官務署署長彭英偉 法務部法制司副司長林黛麗 主席黃昭紀委員建兵 |
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報告事項一宣讀上次會議議事錄決定確定二邀請內政部部長海洋委員會主任委員內政部警政署署長內政部移民署署長海洋委員會海巡署署長農業部部長財政部官務署署長就防堵非洲豬瘟邊境檢疫與查緝機制之檢討與盡情作為進行專題報告並備質詢 |
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報告事項及討論事項和並詢答委員蘇巧慧說明提案要旨 海洋委員會主任委員管碧玲內政部政務次長馬世元報告委員蘇巧慧等18人諮詢分別也有內政部政務次長馬世元及相關人員海洋委員會主任委員管碧玲及相關人員 |
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農業部動植物防疫檢疫署署長杜麗華暨相關人員財政部關務署署長彭英偉答覆說明決定一登記發言委員除不在場者外其餘均已發言完畢詢答結束二委員高金素梅黃茄所提書面質詢列入紀錄刊登公報三書面質詢及為其答覆部分請相關機關與一周內另以書面答覆並複製本會討論事項審查委員蘇巧欣等十徐巧欣等十六人擬據海岸巡防法第十三條條文修正查案 |
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決議討論事項所列議案令定期繼續審查宣讀完畢 |
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但因為在庭的委員不夠長所以意思就是我們暫時不可以繼續進行分裂議程報告事項加宣讀邀請內政部部長率同所屬列席報告業務概況和上會期臨時提案辦理情形並備諮詢宣讀完畢 |
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我們現在來介紹在庭的委員和列席的官員我們第一位委員 張志倫委員我們內政部 劉部長我們國土管理署 吳署長經政署 張署長 |
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中央警察大學黃校長消防署校署長移民署林署長空中情務總隊警總隊建築研究所王所長 |
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國土策劃中心鄭主任國土重劃工程處蕭處長國家公園署王署長謝謝 |
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我們現在在庭的委員有三個請問立場的報告裡面有什麼問題嗎沒問題這樣我們確定議事錄會確定我們現在進行巡查委員巡查進行報告 |
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因為今天看見還有很多人是不是找一個空間讓他們休息一下來請內政部的部長報告 |
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主席各位委員女士先生大家早安大家好今天呈邀報告內政部的業務概況深感榮幸對於上個會期大院通過多項與民生攸關的法案讓內政部跟相關的部會能夠法治更加完備在此先向各位委員長期給予內政部支持與指教至上敬意與感謝 |
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在全球暖化 氣候極端變化的今天氣候衝擊已經無法忽視凸顯災害應變行動的重要性內政部不斷努力打造社會災防韌性持續強化防災整備今年包括丹納斯颱風728豪雨 化家沙颱風以及花蓮 馬太安溪 艷澀湖等災害內政部在第一時間即統籌調度全國消防與空勤救災量能 |
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將搶救機具馳援災區易整合警消等各系統投入災後復原工作並且進駐行政院災後復原前進協調所及衛助一致站式的平台直接提供受災民眾諮詢及受理衛助金申請等服務全力協助民眾早日恢復正常的生活 |
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在此內政部要感謝所有在災區當中挺身而出的每一位內政部同仁以及很多志工的朋友讓受災家庭可以及時獲得政府的支持加速回復家園以下僅就三大面向跟各位委員做一下簡要的報告 |
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第一个在建构安全韧性社会防护网上面守护国土安全一为了因应复合型大规模灾害做好各项防救灾整备强化社会韧性第一厚实基础防灾的整备量能在114年推展全国368个乡镇区公所完成筹组防灾协作中心并且配置具基础急救训练等资格的现役替代役 |
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備役替代役則結合各地方政府勤務編組管理中心提升災害應變的效率此外也依循任性特別條例推動關鍵基礎設施防護裝備升級等工作讓國土安全防護體系更加強健第二 |
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擴大全民參與防災逐步拓展民間不同行業人士加入防災室的培訓從村里長幹事國公營事業計程車司機公寓大廈管委會成員保全人員甚至宗教團體民間團體等等已經培訓超過七萬三千名防災室第三加強高風險區域的防護 |
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現在已經針對13個縣市當中共有184處議程孤島落實避難收容處所儲備物資等整備作業並且在全國佈建超過900台手持式的衛星電話增強防救災應變通訊 |
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2強韌全社會防衛量能內政部秉持有準備更安全的理念以實地演練的方式檢視精進各個環節應變作為例如攜手民間賣場在114年7月在北中南三個地方同步演練也配合行政院2025城鎮韌性演習實施實作演練提升社會韌性的正向循環另外在9月的 |
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國家防災日以模擬琉球海溝錯動引發規模8.5強震及海嘯侵襲的情境動員全國有19個縣市三大電信業者各民間團體14國國際救援隊跟21個駐台管處全面檢驗 |
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應變作為確保政府與民間攜手形成堅實的防線三 協助災害復原的部分一 為了快速協助丹納斯颱風及728豪雨受災區域統籌調度各式機具人力優先解決民眾生活上不便並且調派1350名具EMT-1等救護資格的替代役支援雲嘉南總共41個行政區 |
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同時派員實地勘查台南嘉里嘉義東石等重災區協助修繕攜手地方及民間全力加速各項工作的進程其中有關家園復原未住金10萬元專案已經核定6萬2千零18件另外恰定517家廠商投入民宅修復 |
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1939.326 |
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完成施工1128戶內政部將持續重整復原措施不分屋損修繕面積要加發2萬元由卓院長指示的補助事項同時為提供受災區域更多支持與協助在原有機制上擴大投入協助地方市區道路橋樑等重要設施搶修及復建以期早日能夠恢復美好家園 |
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1940.106 |
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1969.07 |
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二面對華家沙颱風豪雨引起花蓮縣馬太安溪艷澀湖的災情不分中央或地方即刻展開搜索救援包括空勤直升機成功吊掛救出7位受困居民總共救援了717位民眾另外調度重型機具共赴災區一步一步讓道路能夠暢通同時也啟動首次花蓮備役替代役計191人協助家園清理等工作 |
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1969.75 |
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1996.519 |
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此外內政部也提供家園復原衛助金及受災戶住宅補貼專案即受理衛助金申請3714件租金補貼112件房屋結構安全評估196件以最快的速度來衛助災民後續內政部將會持續協助各項道路下水道工程及中紀屋等設施救助資源付諸行動扶持地方鄉親部落族人解決困難 |
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1997.32 |
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2000.733 |
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儘速完成光復箱等復原重建的工作 |
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2002.27 |
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其次在營造安心優質移居環境建設幸福家園方面一擴大居住照顧的服務內政部秉持經濟民生青年弱勢四個市政優先以務實態度解決民眾居住問題截至一百一十四年十月抵止已提供超過百萬租屋家庭的支持同時內政部也結合社會住宅包租代管及租金補貼等三大方向 |
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推展青年婚育租屋協助專案預計114年底由中央興辦社會住宅提供超過1000戶與新婚及育有學齡前幼兒家庭優先入住115年開始並且會透過補貼金額加碼的四大措施讓青年婚育族群穩居、趕婚、怨聲、樂養預估約有5.2萬戶家庭會受惠 |
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另外为了促使租赁市场的资讯透明114年7月发布第三次租金统计未来每年定期两次公布租金行情并且从114年9月底起扩大租屋纠纷协助委托法服基金会提供免费法律诉讼服务协助弱势租屋民众争取自身租屋的权益此外研修预售物买卖定型化契约应该记载及不得记载事项 |
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明定購屋款應專款專用於興建工程等規範課證尋法制作業辦理當中二推動建物轉型與環境永續依據任性特別條例政府將投入50億元在116年底前推動500棟老舊建築物賦能 |
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以承包行政院老宅延壽機能復興計畫為老舊建築物重塑新功能實踐就地安養在地安老的社會關懷進一步加大建築轉型力道方面為了落實建築部門減碳擬具淨零碳建築減碳旗艦行動計畫行政院已經在114年10月底核定擴大工部門建築能效改善示範案例以其帶動民間參與加速淨零碳建築的擴散 |
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預估在119年減碳量可達約670萬公噸的二氧化碳當量 |
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第三 深化治安的維護力度隨著人工智慧快速發展詐騙形態日趨複雜威脅攜手部會全面升級打詐同時集結全國警力在114年執行三波全國同步打擊詐欺行動專案經統計114年9月每日平均受理詐騙案數目與財損金額與上年同期相較分別下降22%及44% |
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為了遏阻詐欺犯罪重複再犯減少受騙與財損內政部 政與法務部等機關研修詐房條例研議增加巨額詐欺處罰級距與刑責以發揮懲詐的功效同時在114年3月15日定定發布原住民漁民自製獵槍漁槍許可及管理辦法以建立完善的槍炮管理制度 |
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針對民眾關心的毒品駕車案件在114年9月實施了全國同步加強茶器、毒價及伊托米籽類毒品專案並將持續以高密度淋檢、入檢、嚴加茶器同步導入快速篩檢工具以二組毒價保障用路人安全 |
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最後在優化友善內政服務效能方面一營造多元共榮的社會落實國定假日法制內政部針對專業節日放假規劃已經律定6月15日警察節以及1月19日消防節放假的作業原則分別自114年底以及115年起實施以肯定警消同仁的專業貢獻並且激勵團隊服務的熱忱 |
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二内政部将依循大院114年10月17日三读通过行政区划程序法尽数完备相关的配套执法以利于在115年7月1日前施行使行政区域调整得符合地方治理与发展需求 |
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第三推展新住民多元文化内政部在114年3月修正发布新住民发展基金收支保管及运用办法以促进更多媒体投入提供丰富而且多样的新住民生活资讯另外推动新住民事务专责机关之设立以拟据本部移民署本部新住民发展署组织法等三部组织法草案均于114年10月9日韩报行政院审查当中 |
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第二推展便捷通關服務為了應對疫後解封國際旅客量從114年10月1號起全面實施電子A卡的填報系統TWAC讓外籍旅客可以更輕鬆完成填報享受快速便捷的通關體驗並且兼顧國境安全的維護同時持續擴建E-GATE讓在台民眾透過最新生物辨識技術查驗身份即可輕鬆通過 |
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经统计至114年8月底国人使用率较疫情前已经有成长三成以上第三持续提升国家公园永续量能与服务品质为利民众能够亲近山林已经完成整新整建27座山屋更与民间企业强化山屋能源自主能力 |
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为民间资源投入山林保育树立合作的典范同时内政部也多次与相关机关专家团体就登山活动保险等事项讨论可行措施及做法希望能够营造负责任永续的登山文化 |
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另一方面國家公園、濕地與海岸等關鍵碳會場域目前已經完成自然碳會盤點與組織碳盤查作業在114年8月4日也舉辦了碳會低碳淨零綠生活國家公園永續路徑研討會希望能夠提升社會參與跟政策推動力再來為了維護海洋生態的多樣性 |
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在6月9號到10號有完成南方四島八個策站的調查並且持續執行東沙環礁海域監測作業以其形成完整的海洋生態維護的網絡系統為了深化自然保育與文化傳承雙軌並進的理念內政部在8月下旬也舉辦了金門國家公園成立30週年的國際研討會 |
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邀請國內外專家學者共同來檢視多年來在自然生態建築保存戰役始積活化等的守護成果希望能夠展現永續治理的成效在結語方面對於大眾以及各位民代所關心的議題內政部始終秉持務實的態度持續精進相關的政策作為 |
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另外立法院在第十一屆第三會期內政委員會通過有關本部臨時提案辦理情形降付候表敬請參閱那我們在最後的時候呢因為我們的消防署他有做一個非常簡單兩分多鐘的一個影片要感謝在第一線努力救災的各個警消同仁是否在主席同意之下我們可以放映好嗎好那以上報告請各位委員先進多多指教謝謝好 |
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大概煮一会儿 |
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聲音大雲 |
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謝謝 因為大家都沒有看過這個項目但是在這個規定當中我們感謝所付出到三天的超人那麼感謝內政部的劉部長的報告我們現在來進行巡打委員巡打會做幾點宣告 |
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每位委員發言的時間分會委員五分鐘 必要的時間延長兩分鐘那不是分會委員五分鐘 會在十點半 直接發言登記這個會議沒有要處理臨時提案請問各位委員有什麼意見嗎我們請 |
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第一位長期的張志龍委員發言好謝謝主席各位委員各位官員大家早有請劉仕芳部長委員早 |
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好 謝謝部長 首先因為台灣因應極端氣候當然發生了很多的這個天災意外那這邊本席還是剛剛看了這兩分鐘的影片非常感動還是非常感謝在所有在台灣救災需要幫助的人我們所有警察消防以及第一線同仁的努力大家辛苦了也謝謝部長帶領友方 |
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好那接下來我要請教尤其剛剛看到很多風災雨災尤其剛剛部長的報告裡面也特別提到丹奈斯颱風對於台南跟嘉義所造成的災情的嚴重跟重創那直到現在這個家園還在這個整修恢復當中 |
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尤其當時我還記得一個新聞非常的重要就是有關於光電板的損壞當時有13萬左右的光電板受到損壞我一直在追蹤這些光電板的何去何從其實現在這些13萬的光電板現在其實能再使用的比例只有3萬片還有將近9萬片的光電板現在是無法處理當中 |
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那我也希望部長了解這件事情那為什麼今天要問這些事情呢就是因為現在我們看到新聞我們 |
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内政部在今年2月当时有预告一个建筑物设置光电太阳光电发电标准的一个草案在今年的2月预告那我们看到新闻说在今年年底就会正式上路这让我们非常的担心因为我们才看到戴奈斯台风造成我们台湾所有光电板的损坏当时加以造成17级的阵风摧毁了13万的光电板 |
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那這樣的風災已經血淋淋的表示在極端氣候下太陽能光電板的結構安全是脆弱的那內政部有沒有檢討現在我們所有暗場的安危那現在的規定我們可以看到是要求說這個新建增建或改建街屋的面積如果達1000平方公尺就是300坪以上就應該是強制應該要設太陽光電不過當然有些例外條件可是我們有最關心的 |
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我們的工廠我們的民用的住宅這些其實都被涵蓋在我們的草案裡面我要想要請教我們看到丹納斯颱風這樣的狀況我們現在這些光電板未來再設置在我們的民間不管是在住家廠房的時候請問施工品質消防安全跟漏水安全以及未來的修繕等等這些安全請問內政部已經快要上路了內政部有沒有一個通盤的檢討 |
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謝謝委員的關心我想委員一定非常了解有關於屋頂設置光電板的這個部分不是只有內政部還包括經濟部所以是跨部會所以我們在公告的過程當中也知道說這個屋頂要設置光電板的其實他是為了有節能減碳的效果那所以目前會處理的以公有建築或者是工廠面積超過1000平方米為主那還沒有要涉及到一般的民間的部分那至於相關的部分到目前為止 |
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行政院還沒有同意我們預告的時候什麼時候做公佈也就表示說對於委員所關心的包括他的成本或是管理甚至會不會造成有一些其他的一個公共安全的部分呢必須要內政部還有經濟部再做比較詳細的一個檢討那相關的部分我是不是可以請署長跟您回應一下 |
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等一下我要先打個岔 因為我跟部長跟署長報告一下因為草案就在我手上 它裡面沒有限制任何的這個剛剛講的說部長雖然說工友的跟工廠的先行可是在這裡面的草案裡面它沒有限制您剛剛所講的任何的這個只有限制工友或是工廠部分它是所有連民生的所有都適用 |
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所以 對 還沒有公布那我們現在看到草案是這樣所以我們非常擔心所以我要跟署長跟部長講一下因為如果你一個光電板你設在一個高樓而且尤其在台灣在工廠跟住宅區跟工業區的分界其實有時候就只有一條馬路 |
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那這樣未來民眾何去何從那如果你在高樓頂上面設的光電板因為國有土地本來就是配合政府政策我們現在怕的是民間尤其丹納斯颱風摧毀的光電板他不會管你是公有民間的什麼樣的光電板要未來這些在頂樓的光電板誰要去修繕 |
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所以我還是要請署長這邊直接再加強回覆一下是不是要給我們比較安心一點如果這個草案真的變成實施下去了現在是陰耶如果沒有做就是違法耶所以我們一直在剛剛也在會請的時候跟部長跟署長拜託像我之前本身我本人我去日本旅遊的時候我去熊本熊本都是在農村那兩層樓上面的在射光電板 |
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補助讓這些在鄉村的人民他們有自己用使用光電板的權利而是台灣我們在人口密集的工業區或是住宅區因為這法條沒有限制住宅區是免除的在設光電板以後在高樓大廈結構安全這些問題要怎麼去處理如果這個法條過了當然還沒有過過了的話就來不及了 |
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那我們到底要人民要何去何從我們想從灘大師颱風已經這麼多的救災人這麼辛苦的奔波如果我們不好好去關注這個法案的修法的話如果一通過那未來何去何從再拜託署長回答一下感謝委員因為的確這一個草案當時在提的時候我們跟經濟部大概都有會商一些技術上的問題也就包含說施工技術的問題那還有這一個事後維管 |
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那以及甚至在這個成本分攤的部分都有跟經濟部充分反映過這些問題因為這才是後續三大應該要重視的對 可是這三個目前還沒有一個共識嘛我跟委員報告啦當然對於施工規範的部分經濟部能源署雖然有訂定一個施工的一個標準但是就像委員所提到的就是說民眾還是會擔心現在的現行的施工規範 |
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在颱風的這個強壓底下強風底下到底能不能過關這個部分我們會跟經濟部在討論再要求還有事後維管的責任還有經費的分攤因為沒有人願意去高樓大廈比如說二十幾層樓的未來誰去更換這都會有很大的問題所以我才說這部分我們在過程當中都有跟經濟部 |
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反應因為這部分後續在經濟部這裡去做訂定相關的一個委管那所以這個部分我想現在草案還在審議當中還沒有訂定期限還沒有訂定實時期因為當時內政部的新聞稿這邊有寫說在年底會公佈原來是希望在這樣但過程當中的確有非常多的這個民間單位也有工廠部門都有提出一些反應意見那這部分我們都會 |
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所以現在目前為止你們還要再跟經濟部研議不會在年底就公佈吧不會不會好謝謝謝謝署長好那有請部長 |
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部長這個是比較政治性的議題在我們115年度的最後一個問題115年度的預算裡面有1.22億的新興計劃我相信這時候當時的新聞你有看到它是1.22億包含捐助2025年國際符輪社的場地費2000萬我相信台灣要舉辦國際性的符輪社年會我們都非常的支持只是當時很多人會認為說這個是不是外交部 |
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應該要處理的項目之一那內政部怎麼會再做外交部的工作這個是第一點是不是想請你就是說把大家的疑慮把它給解決那就一起問那因為總共是1.22億那總共2000萬是補助租金的費用那剩下的1億元是用來做什麼那就我們所稍微詢問一下是說讓其他的團體 |
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都可以來申請這樣的經費那我是不是可以請教一下現在目前有申請的團體有沒有人已經報名開始申請了那如何才能申請這樣的經費報告委員我想我們是基於要發展觀光要推展會展產業那那個有關國際性大社團他們要過來我們幫忙來處理有關這個展場裡面的租金的費用這已經有潛力不是沒有潛力我們是基於這樣的沒有特別執迷也不是政治議題 |
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那你如果是國際性大的社團願意把國外的很多觀光客引到台灣來的話也可以到我們這邊申請還有交通部觀光局或觀光署也有這方面的申請的案件或者經濟部的會展產業都有那我們只是一起協助沒有特別指名什麼團體所以意思就是協辦我覺得就是讓部長在這邊說明清楚那請問現在目前另外的1億元的經費有單位有來申請嗎沒有 目前沒有都還沒有來申請那什麼時候可以開始來申請只有一個我們知道就是 |
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福倫社因為他們兩三年前就去申請跟國際的福倫社一起申請所以我們知道有這個部分就只有這樣而已好那本席在這邊也支持這個台灣的能見度在國際上可以被看到我們是基於這樣子的原因好謝謝謝謝部長大家辛苦了謝謝我們感謝張志仁委員接受我們這次訴求會委員 |
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好謝謝主席我們請劉思芳劉部長請保重 |
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好委員早部長好部長我們立法院在禮拜一的時候去考察了新北的污水建設那我想在這個考察的過程當中我們也確認了幾個狀況就是第一感謝我們政府過去八年來對新北市其實真的是大力補助所以補助其實高達211億元 |
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211億元所以這個是全國第一高的補助經費當然新北市政府也積極施作所以這個累積管數已經達到了126萬多戶也是全國第一所以在這樣的狀況下我們覺得持續應該進行不過也看得出來因為新北很大 |
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所以這個區域各個地區29個鄉鎮區其實它的整個落差接管率是差別很大像我來自這個樹林英哥這個地方我們的接管率其實並沒有到五成是相對來講是非常落後的地方英哥甚至只有23%而已所以我當場其實就是提議就是未來如果我們還有機會在這個中央在補助地方在建置污水建設的時候呢那是不是可以 |
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改變指標讓地方的縣市政府如果有優先平衡自己區域內的不同接管率地區的時候這一種平衡調整這個平衡縣市內區域發展的話那麼我們就可以把它在競爭型計畫裡面可以列為是優先的那當場呢對於我這樣的建議次長是表達肯定方向可以帶回去研議這樣的狀態那我非常的感謝 |
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所以整個考察我覺得其實是滿好的讓我們大家可以了解說其實中央政府這幾年真的對各縣市當然包括我們的新北市其實補助是非常多的不過啦在這樣的一片肯定當中其實部長有一個問題就是可能要請你在備詢台這邊再表示一下 |
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因為我們最後的結語對於前面的樂觀未來卻不是如此因為在才化法修正之後確實未來我們的中央這裡的經費相對來講預算是少了很多所以污水建設到底能不能夠像過去有這樣的補助或是我們會面臨什麼樣的窘境 |
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或者調整在這裡因為次長當下是沒有辦法的就這部分回答所以部長你的看法呢好 謝謝委員首先先謝謝委員委員大概昨天有看到新聞就是我們的產值超人李同生先生他已經可以入住中列慈那也是委員當時在內政委員會的提案是 非常感謝內政部那我們跟衛福部一起努力完成也謝謝委員的幫忙謝謝 |
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那再來就是有關您昨天到新北市在看有關污水下水道的部分我就直接跳入重點第一個現在新北市的污水下水道的比例在內政部裡面呢其實是比例最高的高達11.45%但是也因為新北市的人口非常的多沒有錯那還有就是現在在這個檢討有關財政收支劃分法 |
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因為污水下水道對很多縣市長或很多縣市政府來講是一個比較頭痛麻煩的問題因為他牽涉到土地或是人民的麻煩所以我們會想要跟這個包括中央地方政府來建議一下就是污水下水道可不可以單獨把它列為是一個非常重要的一個 |
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計劃型的補助而不是列入這個補助款裡面要中央地方來做區分因為不只是有新北市其他都會地區他們也有污水下水道進度不夠的部分那所以我如果能夠朝著這個方向的話也希望我也能夠支持那同時呢地方政府呢他在補助比例上面其實他們也可以多考慮 |
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如果以剛剛那個委員所提的樹林三峽跟英哥來看他的這個接管率的比例這麼低還有甚至像英哥現在是快速發展的區域也只有24%不到那就我所了解在地方政府尤其是新北市呢他們現在有12億元的下水道的使用費收入如果呢新北市的政府願意有12億元的下水道使用費收入也把它投注進去做這個 |
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這個污水下水道的建設計畫我們也樂觀其成也就是補助的比例呢我們很希望說地方投注越多越好來協助然後不要變成是說因為一般補助到時候那個在地方上面的補助要增加那個中央的補助要降低的狀況之下反而影響到污水下水道的工程進度我們比較不希望朝這個方向來考量 |
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當然啦 這個基本上就是一旦中央跟地方可以互相配合的時候其實這個建設是可以施作的很快但未來錢 權到底要怎麼區分或者是要放在一般型還是計劃型的話我覺得這就有賴未來的狀況下我們要做適度的調整是 我們希望朝著計劃型的部分因為它可能跨區那也不可能是新北 它可能跨到桃園或可能跨到其他的建設可以了解 所以請部長到時候再提出計劃來我們再共同來調整啦謝謝委員的支持 |
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那對好那我還有其他時間那我想跟部長再討論另外一個部分也就是其實現在內政部一直在推的是社區自主防災那我覺得這個部分其實是很好因為讓這個我們社區的每個人事實上是社會的每個人都可以以社區為單位來動起來在事前的準備 |
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是災害當中的疏散甚至是災害後的復原安置等等大家都可以盡一己之力非常好可是我們看到一個問題就是在現在台灣的狀況是災害越嚴重的地方反而是它的條件可能是最差的這個包括了地理環境也包括了它的人口結構你看從花蓮光復鄉的災害讓我們看得出來高齡人口佔了將近三成 |
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台南市的風災 重災區的部分也是都相當的高比例的狀況那甚至呢 我回去看我們的新北市如果 下一頁如果是新北市呢有可能有發生土石流的地方就是這種災害淺市溪流的部分來講其實它的人口高齡人口佔比也非常的多所以我想要請教的反而是前一頁前一頁的這 前一頁 |
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我想要建議並且詢問的是部長您對這種社區自主防災的部分高齡化的人口結構這個部分你有什麼樣的看法不然我們眼看著現在的狀況可能變成災害發生以後是60歲的扶80歲去避難70歲的還要扶90歲的去避難那這樣的狀況你要這些人高齡人口去復建復原災區可能是很難的部長你有什麼看法是非常謝謝蘇委員的關注 |
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這個韌性社區它的建構當然是希望除了公務機關以外其他的民間團體或者是其他能夠協助防災的這些人口可以補助進去所以我們在推有關於社區防災中心防災協作中心也就是未來的鄉鎮區公所要補助的是我們的替代役的人力 |
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替代役的人力來協助尤其可能偶爾比較關心像疏散撤離或收容安置這個部分那同時我們也希望大家培養有防災的這樣的一個這個智慧以外呢他能夠用預防性的方式來處理譬如說您剛所提到的除了中壯人口以外的比較弱勢人口他需要做預防性的疏散撤離那這個疏散撤離所需要的除了公務機關介入民間團體我們也希望來推動所以為什麼我們防災市的這個推動現在是速度很快 |
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在新北的增長速度是最快的部長 因為時間有限主席都站起來了我把我的結論講完啦結論的部分是剛剛我認為是這樣您剛剛也講到說我們要補助然後是找替代液等等這樣的狀況我認為除了替代液之外其實我們有更多的 |
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這個外面或者是本地的青壯人口可以運用甚至是民間企業與人民團體都可以加入這個自主防災因為像這次的產值超人其實就是大量的民力進來所以我建議可以討論如何吸引這些青壯人口民間企業 人民團體加入自主防災社區的誘因因為目前我們在其他的會議上面也看到了這樣的部分還比較少一點那我建議這個可以研議 |
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那我們就另外再討論因為主席站很久了可以繼續說嗎其實我們本來就有在往這方面但是重要的是他能夠接受指揮因為你沒有接受指揮最危險的地方或是不危險的地方或者是剛好會妨礙救災 |
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所以這個部分需要研究為什麼防災協作中心除了區公所這樣子一個一貫性的指揮系統然後把防災室還有把訓練還有把那個替代役放到裡面去就是要補足這方面不足的人然後再來志工團體未來可能會採取登記制 |
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就是如果你登記過來你是可以處理水電的或是你可以處理救護的我要先幫你分類而不是大家來的時候大家就全部一起換走非常好 部長你這次的講法就已經比前兩次我們在要求這個方向的時候已經具體很多光是一個登記制講出來三個字 |
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但是其實支撐起來非常的困難但你願意在備詢台上把這句話講出口我就肯定內政部的決心肯定內政部的決心但有太多的細節那我們期待未來可以看到更多更多從方向大綱架構一直到細節的部分它必須要有組織化而且需要有專業化這樣子的訓練那既然有這樣的機制那我現在就再多提再前進一步那如何增加吸引更多的名利進來我也認為可以討論誘因這就是我今天質詢的主題我們會以鼓勵為主 |
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好 謝謝部長謝謝 我們感謝蘇僑會委員質詢我們請張鴻祿委員來 我請部長請保證好慢慢來然後警政署長也一起 |
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來 警政署長張委員早部長這個一萬塊快要發了是那我記得我上次也有質詢說財政部有編列預算還有什麼這個防詐那 |
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現在內政部我們警政署在電視上在什麼都有實際的案例然後讓大家知道什麼是詐騙這個那時候我就這樣一直要求然後你們也已經做了那這個一萬塊我到現在目前為止還沒有看到有任何當然沒有發生沒有實例但是呢已經有詐騙的實例了 |
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我的意思就是說我們在電視上的宣導什麼的這些都沒有預作準備嗎我一個月前我就有質詢了那你們也說你們會回去處理我不知道處理了怎麼樣如果不知道可以請署長處理我告訴你報告委員現在在立法院討論的時候其實已經有很多詐騙的網站這個我們刑事局跟所有地方上面的很大力在打壓這個部分 |
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那最重要是那個委員有多次有提及就是說我們需要顧慮到比較偏鄉或是比較沒有辦法從網路或是電視上面知道說有這個普發現金一萬塊的詐騙的部分所以現在的內政部跟財政部已經邀集了全台灣各地的小公寓包括AM在內的這個廣播電台 |
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要開始做這方面的一個廣播宣導那包括國台客語的部分都會加進去那因為今天才開始要做正式的登錄所以我們跟各小公寓的電台 |
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也是今天才會開始那財政部也是在進行當中所以是今天才會開始因為因為你需要招標不可能說做就做有做了啦我重點只要這個有有有沒問題未來您還是會聽得到如果你有AM的那個我會特別去聽啊還有客語客語我也聽得懂好那那再來啦 |
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我們現在2026年新的租屋補助的新制就是一定要合法住宅這點我也完全認同 |
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我也覺得你違章啊你什麼然後去再賺錢我覺得還是必須要有一些處理的部分不過如果在偏鄉啊很多的房子啊他可能啊連登記都沒有登記啊如果在偏鄉他有需要我說的這個是有可能是很多弱勢喔老人喔 |
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他可能他就一個人住在那邊他可能住親戚的房子或什麼的那個很多的偏鄉他房子連登記都沒有登記這個怎麼辦 |
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署長署長要回答之前我再跟張委員補充一下我們剛剛在找的這個小公寓電台的部分有加在一起這個有非六都的小公寓電台有26家然後全台灣小公寓電台大概有兩家 |
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已經都開始在處理了可能今天就會上線有就好了我先請署長回應好 署長你看我對弱勢對重了我是特別的關心像這種情況怎麼處理根本報告啦其實因為的確就是說我們一開始一定要先重視建築物安全因為過去這兩年雖然我們有補助但是有一些意外還是有頻傳所以 |
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我們決定不再補助但是你剛剛所提到如果早期是屬於未登記的住宅其實未登記住宅是不算違建就早期的未登記就在建築法之前它有一些叫未登記住宅那個是一個但是如果它是沒有就是說它是完全不是屬於未登記住宅是純屬違章的話我想我們會跟地方政府協商就有一些從策略中的這個比較弱勢戶優先來排除啦因為這樣的話會比較妥適 |
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我覺得我們這個辦法什麼的你在六都在都會區裡面我都完全支持但這一點我覺得你們要找出要很明確哪一些範圍內可以就是策略的弱勢戶 |
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那個部分就先免除這樣的一個限制你弱勢戶還是要優先照顧弱勢戶要照顧之外弱勢戶很可能在偏鄉就是遇到我這個問題就是我剛剛講弱勢戶的部分先排除這個問題你們要去把它處理好這一塊要很明確也不要變成漏洞了解要把它局限在偏鄉了解不然 |
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你如果又開了一個洞因為您指的大概就非六都的部分非六都大概人口數比較少的召委的嘉義市裡面有需要嗎 |
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比較少吧我認為你一次也不能開太大的你就是要偏鄉有這種需要的我們再來你不要一次處理你也沒辦法所以跟我們報告就是我會從弱勢先啦弱勢先優先來做這樣的一個排序我們要處理這一塊啦那再來一點時間我就是說 |
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那個部長我看到你們這個裡面這個業務報告裡面有就是既有的宗教的建物跟用地的合法化那我們有補助很多縣市去處理這個事情不知道處理的情況如何宗教建物的合法化那我是既有我先請 |
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謝謝委員關心跟委員報告事實上宗教建築合法其實我們有一個暫行條例你就不要再跟我講那些了那我們現在就現行我們會積極來輔導就是你都市計畫裡面我們會用頭版前導方式然後先把土地解決以後然後飛度部分我們就用特定就變根變木把它讓土地變成特木然後土地解決以後再做建築的一個合法 |
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我剛問你你這個是方法你們有補助有什麼目前又沒有什麼進度各位 包括我們現在就是補助一千這個三年補助一千萬給這個地方政府來做一個業務的宣導是我說真的你們這個一千萬我就真的覺得既有的寺廟或什麼都在那裡還要宣導什麼打一通電話去跟他講就有這個了對不對是 |
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你跟我講一些我現在問你的成績是如何你就回答我有沒有成績就好是跟我們報告那現在這幾年以後現在我們有輔導大概911家人完成了這個2300幣的土地已經說轉為一個登記了我跟你講你跟我問你的問題跟你回答我的問題是不一樣的東西我跟你講你是回答我不一樣的東西 |
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感謝委員因為其實大概不管在獨基區跟非都大概都會透過通盤檢討或是有一些變更的作業要點但是其實委員也知道其實過程當中不是那麼順利啦因為有的寺廟他可能早就已經建超過了那所以這個部分我想我們還是會持續在相關的變更裡面去做這樣的一個處理我只有一個啦 |
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很多的廟 很多的寺廟其實是比政府還早就成立了很多的寺廟很多它是因為不懂法令才會這樣這個寺廟它只要不要被私人去拿去挪不是書廟 不是什麼那種的我都覺得政府應該要 |
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盡量讓他合法化這樣才能夠長長久久啦新名也比你大對不對所以我覺得要朝這個方向你知道我在問什麼啦我知道他回答的不對啦所以沒關係這個我只是要讓你們知道這個要去重視要去處理就好了好不好好 謝謝委員謝謝我們感謝張宏祿委員質詢 |
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我們請王美惠召委主席我們先補充跟經濟事室室長召委好補充 室長您好在今天可能大家都知道今天的發放會定期10萬戶室長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
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你今天十一月初五八點開始可以登記嗎是 我跟你請教的是 十一月初五要去登記的人什麼人早最快 |
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可以使用網絡可以做這些網路的這些要自己早一點領到錢的去登記的會比較快但是財政部的專網啦財政部的專網裡面你如果要早一點就可以去登記 |
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這個電機是在一月初五八點開始電機的是是是嘛所以我要跟趙伯伯說財政部的這個普華縣的專網大家要記住就是10000.zof1.tw這個專網而已其他的那個就是其他的那個這些符號啦跟這個不同那個一定都是假的網站 |
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蘇丁 你這裡本市是怎樣給你探討的什麼人招最快 詐騙集團招最快 招提名的你安委本這個事項可以給大家念的時候 到日期 到月期的時候 |
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| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
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就已經去用便宜了騙五十一萬啦 署長在這個過程 剛才我們聽到張鴻祿委員跟部長說 跟你們請教說這個要放年要定期的時候我們要怎麼去輔助學費的小孩子要怎麼去定期不可以去用便宜所以我會用心用口 |
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| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
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希望你都選擇說實在詐騙集團多噁心他想教你這件他家庭話說得有口有口 |
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| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
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跟北省跟國會跟中央政府還沒定期要如何委託他的親戚去納所以在他的親戚去納的時候他說我沒有叫我們親戚去納他說沒關係 沒關係如果沒有的話 你再點下去這樣還可以多支你一萬塊給你們親戚納 |
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不然他又跟他說 欸 我又沒看到 不然你再點一個 你要再點一個3點 4點 都要點到51萬啦 市長在這裡你要如何選得好 選台灣人的人 知道詐騙集團 找第一勒 |
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這次發一萬塊在日本的專網我剛才有說過就是一萬電子費電子台幣這個而已其他的網站都假的現在發生的這一些的普外元塊的這個詐騙就是是要你的那個釣魚要你的資料這釣魚就是要你的信用卡叫你銀行OTP的這個認證號碼 |
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這些都不能去填寫 第二就是剛才趙薇說的那些假簽證假簽證就是要你的男人婆婆的帳號要你的密碼 這些要嫁你的東西所以政府絕對不會用電話 簡訊 電郵要求你去轉帳 或是你去捏錢這樣做 那你如果覺得 |
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這個有怪怪的時候請你大家靠165的反詐騙專線我們會幫你做處理 給你解釋清楚所以我們剛才部長也報告過就是說我們不管是偏鄉的 我們有錄台語 國語 客語 都在這個小公立的電台都會再去做廣播就是針對這些比較偏鄉的地方 |
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做這樣的宣導那其他的這些宣導的這個方式我們都是在各個一個分廊分眾在做一個宣導署長你講得熱熱騰騰最重要的你都沒有人會想說跟你們這10萬塊大家都領悟跟你們如果怕說去不便宜在1月2日拿到你的資料去郵局 |
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派對 還可以拿一張牌因為不夠錢 錢慢慢沒實際 還是你說自己又要怎樣這都不妥 最方便的就是叫這四大人 這大郵輪員不要聽別人胡說如果要現金 就是拿你的新聞證去郵局拿 |
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| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
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齁 署長 要多宣導啦 不然要請四人在一位車後開始停機 九位車就不便宜了 這樣有夠嚴的來 署長請坐 署長在這裏面 您這個椅子裏面齁 有那個老宅財神處理用的 老宅延壽 |
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這裏面有50億的醫生 但是事實上跟部長 本事要跟你討論的就是你有第一波第二波的 但是他跟醫師來看 跟醫師 |
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那部署中間有八萬六千多戶如果它散開,那部署有七十七百是所有間隔和義氣的地方最多為什麼你們不放下去?會被家人被淋在一個地方,還要我們來請 |
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| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
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謝謝委員的關心 我們有注意到這個現象你有注意所以我們會同步進行因為去辦選舉不需要一站一站我們可以包括國土署的地方分署分別去 |
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但是我們現在最重要的要加一個處罪就是說老宅嚴肅 你要申請 要怎麼申請平衡料 耐震補強你申請可以申請多少錢所以我們一定在辦這個申請會上邀請民意代表 傳理長跟社區裡面的人來共同參與是怎樣 我會幫你提起這個 |
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因為嘉義市政府對這種老屋老宅他們很內行的所以我看到說看不看得到嘉義市那裡嘉義市的老宅這麼多所以也感謝保庭說你有看見到全台灣都會去啦我們會同步進行但是我們要先準備好我們的改造的全台灣都可以 |
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| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
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雨露金針嘛可以讓大家都有感覺說我們中央政府的做事在這裡我們還要來討論一個青年婚姻財及妻子的這個問題 署長 |
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我們自己去看有沒有幾位因為我們是所有的社宅運氣好的都會流20%所以我們未來我們譬如說我們的保安安居如果好都會有流還流20%是來 署長我來請教 |
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| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
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你有老傢伙,你能夠考慮到,我們家庭在漸漸老化的時候,在裡面你覺得可以用一個活動中心,讓這些老人可以聚集在那裡嗎?跟委員報告啦,我們每一區在起的時候,都會看地方政府先參詳 |
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不管柯林是屬於日照現在我要跟你說的就是說前一陣子我們柯林想不到的但是現在我們的訴求像你現在前一陣子去這家企的社宅不一定去三位嘛跟你同時想不到這個問題的時候但是我跟你們說我們在納入的時候我了解喔你了解啦所以我會跟委員報告就是說我今天一個企業的時候都會先跟店長討論要不要卸貨 |
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但是要向議員報告說 因為你要蓋衛生中心那個經濟是不一樣的我知道經濟不一樣 但是現在在蓋的時候衛生中心我的意思你們去看看大家要做的經濟當然也不一樣年輕人有年輕人的經濟 老人安全的經濟不一樣補充你要補充什麼 |
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沒有 我想我們市長他站在基礎的風雲啦 我想很簡單就是說 既然是社會主體社會主體裡面去 入去裡面大的人 他們要活動跟附近的傳例 應該要有很好的活動 這些活動 我們會尊重這裡最好的共識的結果這個最重要啦 市長不要去應用就安全就好 也稍微拚一個地方的市區 附近的市區最要緊啦 以上 |
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| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
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我們請麥玉珍委員謝謝主席有請部長還有移民署署長請部長請移民署署長委員好 |
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部長好 署長好想要請教一下我們在處理114年度移民署稅出預算時就已經點出現行司法同意制度有許多缺失迫切需要改善的問題但是在115年度的預算書裡面針對移民署就同意人員政策 |
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提出的進進措施並將成果等的資訊定期公布於官方網站這項內容的辦理情形報告還是一片空白請問請問你們的進進措施還有成果在哪裡有在做嗎報告委員 委員好 |
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那其實在我們移民署的通譯制度裡面我們這個通譯人才資料庫是在民國98年建制但是在109年的時候我們有做一個精進的方案那這個精進方案裡面其實陣列了兩個比較重要的一個措施第一個就是線上需求端的一個邀約還有就是這個滿意度的一個回饋那目前整個資料庫的建制裡面現在我們通譯人才資料庫裡面的人才 |
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名單大概有接近1400人那其中以越南語跟印尼語的同意資料人才是是最多的那這個這個包含了22種語言那22種語言裡面就是越南跟印尼語是最多的那大概目前在線上端去申請使用權限的包括機關法人跟個人大概有1600個左右那 |
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在這1600個左右目前為止我們所掌握到的這個查詢的次數大概7800人次左右啦所以其實在整個的這個部分我們會去做一個處理那另外有關通譯人才的部分我們又有去區分大概有三類第一個就是司法通譯因為司法通譯他需要的語言包括法令的這個 |
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這個名詞他必須得是謝謝署長我問我是讓你讓你說啦但是我問東你回西啦我問這個問我們看到的是這個這個你完全沒有回你回的 |
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你回的是我要問的因為這個我要跟你們所知所以你們回的就是剛才你講的所以我跟你講說你講的東西移民署在民國98年開始建設一個就是通譯人才資料庫是你說的並且在109年7月也做了一次功能升級的改版 |
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不查不知道查了嚇一跳這樣的網站使用相框像你說的自改版以來5年的時間累積有登入同意人員是1300 |
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有38人需求單位有375個有1591人使用全線在線上要發出邀約同意的服務446件其中成案的只有56件 |
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署長你每年都補助在各個學校限制政府民間團體開辦的統一人才 |
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一個縣一般最少有30個人我們22個縣市不要說學校民間團體22個縣市一年也是有660個人5年也要超過3000多人但是你們這邊不到150個人只成功媒合了56件有可能嗎實際上的需求這麼少 |
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我們講的是這個這個網站的功能不好啦是想要了解是這個部分完全不可能只有說1591人報告委員我這裡要跟委員做一個報告其實我們那個同意人才資料庫其實就是一個平台那平台其實譬如說我是警察機關我找了一個同意人才我邀約他之後 |
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然後他們自己會加LINE他就不會再透過這個平台再去做線上的邀約所以他們就直接打電話了啦所以他那個次數相對會比較少如果這個平台沒有用的話你們還要從開始監製就花了150萬109年又花改版也花了450萬保固期滿後從112年到現在每年 |
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維護費要花了43萬陸陸續續花了就是700多萬你說這不好啊 不好你還要去維護所以請教一下你對這樣的成果滿意嗎你覺得說這樣的支出移民署沒有說去查這個同意的人員的需求這個資料庫的心得我們要的是 |
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這個資料庫你要用的當初的目標還有效果是什麼但是你講的就是要別人去用這樣子你還要維護這個資料庫要幹嘛報告委員其實當初建立這個資料庫它一定有它基本的一個需求的一個花費然後這個我就說這個是一個媒合平台 |
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但是媒合平台之後譬如說我這個承辦人我耳後我都已經加在了我就固定找這個人嘛因為配合的很好所以這個媒合的次數會逐漸的減少但是你不能把它廢掉因為這個平台在這裡會有新進人員又再進來他還是會透過這個平台再去找到相關更多的一個同意人員 |
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5400.814 |
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署長我覺得你講這個真的是不是啦你說有多少人去培訓如果你每年培訓那麼多人你要把這些資料把它納入資料庫讓更多人在這邊找你不能說別人找去了我這個資料庫還是要但是維護但是沒有人找沒關係 |
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5416.744 |
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5423.11 |
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再去做翻譯也要死啊對不對 你說這個資料庫這樣子就是有需要有需要你要把所有的資料要提供進來當大家有需要的時候也可以找你不能說我私下找了我就用這個這個資料庫好像的功能還是要但是呢 功能不好 也功能不是要維護因為資料庫裡面才有1400人啊 |
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資料庫裡面有1100人5年1100人 人家要死了 要走啊不是這樣子 那不是次數那是那個登錄的 通譯的人才資料庫裡面有1400人 22種語言 |
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對啊但是只有這樣子你覺得很好嗎效果很好嗎人太少了因為不可能五年只有這樣啦所以我們是在還有我們看到的就是這個部分我們希望署長真的要把這個資料庫真的是資料庫不是生鏽的資料庫啦我們要的真的是要去做好所以剛才我跟你講的要的是兩件事情 |
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5511.458 |
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移民署在12年底有制定一份統一制度精進事辦計畫這一點提出問題就是很多的問題洋洋灑灑12項的內容寫得很漂亮但實際上成效在哪裡我們一直沒有看到不管是解凍預算的統一人員政策精進成果報告 |
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無消無息或者在城校趴到就是趴到地板上的同意人員資料庫已經新鮮了就連今天內政部提交到我們內政委員會來的業務報告 |
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5531.65 |
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整本沒有看到同意的問題真的非常令人懷疑政府對於改進同意制度的能力和決心所以我們要呼籲我們內政部實落還有落實實際落實真真的是這個資料庫還有說我們這樣子的方案保障在台新住民的權益的承諾 |
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我們要我一定會強力的監督這一塊還有就是統一制度的精進事辦計畫的辦理情形把關該計畫動資的預算支出所以署長你剛才講有需要 |
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也有要去改進所以我希望你在一個月內一個月內提出統一的制度改善精進報告兩個就是因為我看到剛才的是空白你沒有提出謝謝委員讓我補充一下是好不好謝謝委員那其實在整個統一制度裡面我們在112年有一個統一制度的一個精進方案 |
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他是每兩年期會做一次的檢討那在今年的12月31號會把事辦的這兩年的一些狀況我們在會提出來做精進在所謂同意人才的培訓認證管理跟任用這個部分我們會來做持續的改善那委員剛剛所提提出來的部分我們將相關那個檢討精進的這個報告我們也會在 |
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委員要求的期限之內我們會再把資料送給委員還有這個資料庫要有用的資料庫好不好我們要把所有全部你們補助或者各縣市有辦理的培訓通譯人員要把它全部納入進來讓大家才會找得到人來去翻譯 |
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事實上有很多地方是找不到翻譯你們這個地方又沒有去改善又沒有去改進就停留在那一邊所以這個資料庫大家都覺得是生鏽大家也沒辦法因為你拍去翻譯也沒有拍 |
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大家要找到裡面的人數有限所以大家就沒辦法去配合所以變成這個資料庫變成是生鏽的資料庫所以大家才不會去用才會人數那麼差所以這個兩個部分我希望署長要去做好 謝謝好 謝謝委員 謝謝謝謝 我們感謝麥正委員質詢我們請紐西庭委員質詢 |
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5699.418 |
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謝謝主席 劉部長有請部長早安 我們今天是內政部的業務報告我繼續跟你討論這個住宅政策這個我們中華民國的住宅政策的核心到底是什麼 |
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5739.17 |
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內政部長有想法嗎根據住宅法上面的規範當然它可能是我們在中華民國的社會福利體系的一環但是它要透過住宅的形式來呈現出來而不是一般的這個補助事項所以住宅法非常強調要照顧弱勢所以其實是圍繞著社會福利為核心的這樣一個政策對不對那但是這樣子 |
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5740.56 |
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搞住宅政策也不是一天兩天啦各個政黨執政等等都有這樣的一個邏輯去執政但是結論是什麼呢結論是現在年輕人不分不生嘛不分不生最大的壓力還是因為房貸不見得買得起房子根據內政部我不一定完全同意啦根據內政部因為少子化全部把這個不動產資訊平台上面你先聽我講完嘛 |
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5760.991 |
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5769.813 |
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最新的住宅租金指數9月再創新高109.27比去年同期上漲2.14%連續7個月達108以上租屋負擔率顯然過高那內政部不動產資訊平台114年Q1全國平均房貸負擔率為44.53%又比去年同季相比上升0.52%以直轄市來講是50.88%按照World Bank世界銀行的標準超過30%其實就已經是負擔不合理 |
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那超過50%就住在六都的人來講負擔當然更加沉重也因此啊這個剛剛部長也講圍繞社會福利政策為核心的這樣一個住宅政策具體來講透過住宅來呈現就是所謂的社會住宅那其實非常多委員其實跨會期跨黨派都已經長期的關心大家都在看賴清德總統的社會住宅的新辦計畫請問到底核定了沒部長 |
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5823.802 |
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還沒社會住宅興辦計畫啦你是說送到行政院的部分行政院的部分大概合訂兩項其中一項還希望我們內政部再多做檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
5824.898 |
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5845.027 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
什麼時候會全部核定能不能給出具體的時間表我們現在在依照這個總統跟院長的指示在檢討當中因為社會住宅的興建除了土地或者是資金取得以外現在要加入一個氣候變遷的因素所以這個因素加進來以後可能對於社會住宅的興建會有一些必要的一個檢討的方向 |
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好 我們就繼續等待社會住宅的計畫核定來 我今天要跟部長做一下政策討論啦就是說跨國比較 我剛剛第一個問題問你我們台灣的住宅政策的核心是什麼你講的是社會福利 確實這個發租補貼啊 對不對 設宅等等然後有嚴格的照顧弱勢為優先的這個取向這大家都很清楚嘛但其他國家的概念 譬如我們新加坡為例新加坡的住宅政策其實蠻清楚的主導的單位叫做建物發展局HDP |
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那他的整個住宅政策的核心其實就是主屋政策也就是一個相對來講可負擔住宅可以在市場上有一定條件上面的一個特殊性市場的可以接受轉賣的這樣一個狀況那他的主屋政策有幾個條件比如說這個家庭優先這個有結婚的單身的話要35歲之後才能申請而且只能申請二手等等那另外有限制他只有所謂的這個地上權就是建屋的所有權 |
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然後有五年的閉鎖期如果要出售也只能出售給符合主屋申請條件資格者嘛所以它其實是有一個非常完善的一個配套那麼使用期滿之後要歸還政府政府在依 可能都更啊 社區等等的需求來做更新補償或者是重建你可以看到它的政策邏輯是非常非常清晰的嘛我有一個單位 我有一個要完整的政策我其他包含都市計畫 身份認定等配套是圍繞著這樣一個政策來做處理 |
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那你就可以看得出來人家有一定的成效那請問這個台灣有沒有打算這個在住宅政策上更進一步脫離社會福利的思維呢 部長好 感謝委員因為新加坡跟台灣不一樣在於他97%都是國有地嘛所以他才可以去發展用類似在台灣來講他就類似設定地障權的做法來做這樣的處理那當然也是因為他 |
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| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
5976.39 |
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從這個1965年左右就開始全力發展所以他到目前的數量其實是非常足夠來支應所以他已經進到第二輪所謂的都更的這個狀況所以他才可以用這樣子不斷的輪替去買賣那在台灣來講因為這個都才剛起步生產量權也才剛起步十多年 |
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| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
5990.563 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
所以加上國有地也不是很多所以要達成這樣的輪替其實是有困難但是未來在社會住宅的興建上面其實或許可以用這樣的方式來做混合搭配這也是我們現在目前也在研議的方向之一 |
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所以我們現在內政部的立場是我們在參酌國際的案例的時候我們要逐步來做政治的創新還是基本上因為認定國土民情完全不同所以我們基本上不予採納要繼續本來的邏輯所以剛剛所講的所以像類似這樣的一個生地安全跟社會住宅混合的方式現在也是我們目前有在研擬的方式包含的抱怨的計畫裡面包含這一項都有繼續在討論因為就本席的了解當初社會住宅的興辦計畫一直沒有辦法遲遲核定某一些層面當然是擔心財政的問題嘛 |
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對不對所以換言之傳統以社會福利為導向這樣一個住宅政策的邏輯現在顯然這個陳峰不管是總統也好或者是行政院院長也好也許他有不同的意見所以這個計畫其實不能合定嘛對不對那我們要看到的是如果要嘛 |
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要繼續做社會住宅這件事情你就大刀闊斧的趕快去做因為畢竟開出了支票幾年幾十萬戶等等那你如果有困難要調整有別的顧慮的話那你至少要讓我們的社會大眾看到住宅政策的調整方向這樣大家才能夠了解說這個政府持續的在關心居住政策而不是形成住宅政策的真空嘛則部長或者是署長有沒有什麼要補充的嗎我想大方向來講因為像這幾年的這一個房地產市場我們都知道 |
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其實接下來空屋率會再一次創新高因為這幾年出來的房子非常多所以在某一種形式上我們站在減少這個碳排的一個角度來講我們應該鼓勵更多的房子試出來做這個出租宅所以這個包租代管的部分我們現在目前已經把它上調它的一個標準 |
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上調他一個標準戶啦所以我們希望也從另外一個角度去擴充但是直接興辦社宅這件事情就像我剛跟委員所報告的我們會用其他創新的方法像類似跟這個生態安全的房子去做一個混合的一個方式那也做這個BOT概念的方式讓民間來 |
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來興辦來經營那這些事情我們都已經有在朝你一些方向那當然政院的方向如果定調以後我們會及早對外來宣布做說明我剛剛問你也是大方向你談了很多執行的細節當然都很好你有你的專業但我要問的是大方向我今天之所以提這個是因為很多地方政府現在已經開始在思考除了社會住宅之外的其他解方嘛比如說桃園市政府台中市政府在研擬叫做所謂的青年可負擔住宅了解 |
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那青年可負擔住宅請問中央現在有沒有人在做這樣的研究有沒有相關的想法跟政策方向應該這麼說啦因為今天最關鍵還是在於你的你能不能脫離土地法民法相關的一個限縮因為對於土地來講土地如果一旦是出售的你一旦要能夠收回 |
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其實它相對上在民法在土地法上面有一些限制所以這一點會是我們在後續再考慮的重點今天不可能有時間討論到政策細節但我要問的是大方向也就是說現在地方政府拋出了這樣一個構想其實在網路上也好輿情的回應上來講也好其實很多年輕人對於這樣子的一個政策他心裡是有所期待的那當然嘛你現在談執行的問題就擔心說你法規的禁核啊等等啊中央地方不同調大家其實在觀察而且在擔心的是這樣子一個事情 |
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那我今天的質詢我主要就是要問你現在中央到底有沒有把這樣子的一個可負擔住宅的這樣一個政策納入你現在整個住宅政策的一個方向一個推進的計畫裡面有或沒有類似森林地安全住宅這個就是屬於可負擔的項目之一如果有那有沒有具體的期程跟地方政府對話的機制我是認為這個應該提早處理一下其實像桃園它已經放在 |
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那個都市計畫桃園市的信息者裡面那已經有跟我們在進行相關的溝通已經有在討論嘛 甚至有討論自治條例或什麼的對 像彰化也有在跟我們討論這個事情所以中央基本上不會反對地方政府很努力的來做創新跟往這個方向的思考不會 我們都會大家在一個可行的方式底下來支持地方政府做這樣的一些創新那中央 |
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針對法規相關等等的有沒有提供一些相關的意見因為現在大家最擔心的是如果地方先走有一套完整的東西那中央萬一不同調呢對不對萬一不愉快呢對不對大家總會有這樣子的一個顧慮嘛會不會有這樣的問題各位委員報告其實過去像這個南投彰化雖然都有不一樣的做法但是我們到最後還是會尊重他們的一個方式啦其實那個 |
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只是在建屋未來的認定上是有所不同的這個我希望那既然你講說其實政府是有這樣中央政府也有往這樣的方向來做思考那是不是請這個內政部這邊針對青年可負擔住宅中期住宅等等的相關你們目前做了哪些研究目前規劃的一些方向有沒有一些預計的一個期程提供一份完整的資料來做對接嘛然後避免說也許地方跟中央默契不一樣好事又變壞事我是擔心這個事如果大家方向其實是一致可以來溝通一起來促成這件事情那 |
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這個政策他才能夠達成一定的效果嘛所以我再次提醒人家新加坡是有一套完整的政策核心邏輯那現在既然涉宅的部分你可能要有修正你當然還是會繼續蓋我不會否認這個事情但如果要有所修正我們也要看到另外一個核心政策的形成跟相關配套的安排可以嗎好謝謝署長謝謝部長辛苦了謝謝委員謝謝我們感謝紐西田委員質詢我們加徐毅政委員 |
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謝謝主席我們請內政部劉部長還有警政署張署長請保證請警政署張署長委員好部長好 署長好 |
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部長就是我其實之前有詢問過有關台北車站我們之前有發生一個這個震驚社會的一個性侵案那蘇莉呢也在這個有回了一面書面報告給本席就針對這個本案鐵路警察局有在10月15號有召開一個聯防的會議 |
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而且在16號有實地會勘過其中他提出了有四點的具體措施包括優化巡邏鄉縣 增加定點巡守建立安全聯方 淨化區站的環境因為這四大的措施要落實台北站區的安全跟維護所以本席也特別跑去台北車站看一下 |
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所以我去看的時候呢發覺確實台北車站內部你可以看一下照片以前住的旁都是遊民而且髒亂不堪尿騷味酒味刺激那現在變乾淨了那你可以看到以前這個南門東門外面其實都是遊民也跟過去完全不一樣那請問部長這個台北車站的國門變得這麼乾淨警政署也迅速的解決問題 |
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請問可以持續下去嗎那請問你會給警政署打幾分是非常謝謝委員的關切其實這件部分不是只有我們警政署還包括台北市警局或者台北市政府的社工機制那現在這個聯防機制如果他非常好的話我們當然能夠持續下去 |
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不過接下來我要請您看一下您剛提到這還有台北市警察局我又再看了一下雖然這邊都沒有遊民可是你看下一張照片結果在北車南門旁的廊道遊民都在那裡這個北車南門旁你現在看得到的所以我們就發覺了一件事情就是在紅線之內的是屬於鐵路警察局在紅線之外的是台北市警察局那所以感覺上只是從鐵路警察局的範圍移到台北市警察局的範圍 |
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那變成說就不是鐵路警察局的問題了是台北市政府的問題可是事實上不管是台北市警察局或者是鐵路警察局都是屬於警政署來管的所以這樣子的做法到底目的是什麼 |
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跟委員報告這個台北車站這地方最主要是油米的問題那不管是不是在鐵路景的地徑線或是台北市的地徑線這個最主要就是油米會不會在那邊出現那原先可能在大丁現在又到廊道這個地方 |
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那根本解決之道就是要怎麼要處理來安置這些遊民的這問題我想應該就是主管機關的設政單位包括台北市政府要來做一個處理那我們警察一定會來配合這個部分是不是等於內政部衛福部還有甚至交通部大家其實都要有一個這個對就是就是真正的去跨部會去處理台北車站的這個遊民的這個問題 |
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不管是他在大廳裡面或在廊道這個都是移轉而已剛剛部長也講的這個你們跟台北市政府有一個統一這個指揮跟聯合的一個勤務制度有嗎有有有那我們可以看到我們這是警察的部分對那我當然知道是遊民的問題還有這個還屬於衛福部的相關問題還有社民政府單位但是呢你可以看到這是白天的狀況那請問一下部長您看一下這個報告事實上 |
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到下午的時候 晚上的時候您有看過這個報告嗎 部長有這個報告 你有看過嗎那請問是誰到現場實地勘查的就是剛看到的這些狀況因為你們回我的書面資料是說有到現場實地勘查就是我們鐵路警察局跟台北市政府警察局接下來我給您看看晚上的狀況 |
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就是晚上遊民又全部到這些地方去了那這個狀況的話就變成說我們好像就日夜兩樣情就白天的時候是一個狀況晚上的是一個狀況所以您剛提到的就是說我們有一些持續管理的一個機制然後所以晚上是不是有專責尋守的機制跟白天是不是同一批人 |
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現在目前的這個狀況白天他就離開大廳晚上就到這個廊道的這地方來做休息那這些東西白天把東西收起來晚上又放放起來我想這個根本解決之道就是要怎麼把這些遊民做安置 |
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我覺得原則上事實上我們想大家都不希望只是做表面功夫白天看得到這個乾淨的這個我們的台北車站到晚上的時候又變另一個狀況晚上也有這個我們國際觀光客吧也會有讓大家看到我們這個狀況像這個部分就是說這個有一些不是警察能夠支持的範圍裡面就是說這一個的台北車站 |
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怎麼徹底能夠把這些遊民做一個一致就是不要在這個地方所以要各相關部會來做一個解決我想署長大概提到就是遊民的問題所以是不是請教部長是不是可以請部長正視這個事件是不是找衛福部交通部等相關的部會 |
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跨部會的召開一個會議然後徹底解決問題不要再讓國民成為耻辱的象徵我想這個不是只有跨部會的部分跨部會在政策上面當然都是但是重點是台北市政府我也了解這個狀況那也有很多民代跟我們反映過不是只有台北車站包括萬華車站就是碰到這個問題我們是不是可以跟台北市政府也一起來協助解決這個問題 |
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因為夜間關門以後會有這種狀況台北市的警察局也是屬於警政署管的所以大家一起來努力好嗎我們來努力另外再請教一下就是針對近日重大的一個社會案件就是信義豪宅的雙失命案我們可以看到 |
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他是原目前看起來是應該是因為吸毒過量致死那我們現在可以看到目前雖然我們的毒品的這個查記案件數下降可是你可以看到12歲到17歲反而是增加的增加的大概22.6%的幅度 |
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所以我們現在因為這個很多青少年因為網路的關係所以他們事實上不管是在網路上都很容易買到這些毒品所以而且現在114年度青少年的初次吸毒年齡已經降到14歲以下那新興毒品也層出不窮所以 |
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請問部長現在政府有進行跨部會的防治的機制嗎那是不是有實際在運作有有這個部分我們有這個跨部會的這個毒品防治會議是那請問一下不管是我們這個內政部警政署教育部法務部在預防的資源投入上是不是足夠 |
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那這個部分就是對於這個少年毒品的犯罪不管是在衛福教育大概都是會投入這個是不是足夠我剛請教您是不是足夠我想應該是足夠應該是中等計畫大概有那如果足夠照理說應該是我們的青少年的這個犯罪的這個 |
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應該是會逐年的下降才對應該不是像這樣增加22.6%對 那這個部分就是跟委員報告我們把它做一個分析這個部分大概都是這一個新興毒品的一個狀況對 還有嘛 就是跨境嘛寄送毒 這個毒包裹是相關的嘛所以這個部分我們大概就是會從幾個面向就是當然在青少年代不管是在這個在教育面或者是家庭面那我們檢控的部分就是在那針對這個部分你們有沒有跨境追查的一個能量 |
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還是說還是用傳統的這個查記模式這個沒有問題就是說不管是在邊境或者是在跨境我們都有駐外的這些的聯絡官都會跟相關的這個國家做一個情形的聯繫跨境追查的能量夠嗎還是主要都依賴傳統的查記模式呢 |
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我們也不是傳統的查集模式現在就是多科技的偵查比如講像我們有網路的這個巡邏對於這個網路上這些販賣毒品的有網路的這些巡邏那有發現這些這個網站也跟這個我們那請問一下署長現在你們有跨境毒品數據的偵查中心嗎 |
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跨境毒品的數據偵查中心目前有嗎我們刑事局有個毒防中心有一個毒品防治所以沒有所謂的跨境毒品的這個數據偵查中心嗎所以是不是可以請部長喔能夠整合像刑事局公安部署啊海巡署啊就是還有其他的部這個海委會那邊就是建立跨境毒品的一個查紀的偵查中心而且也要建立這個會議 |
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情資的即時通報平台讓各部還有各個單位能夠迅速的了解各位報告這個平台都有建立起來包括關路署啦調查局或者是海巡署我們這個平台都有情資整個的這個平台但是執行上非常重要因為我們看到青少年吸毒的問題越來越嚴重所以我們必須真的要從源頭去源不能只是打小販 |
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結果放大盤然後治標不治本讓我們的青少年我們最主要的問題要查原頭對 所以如果這個部分我們大家能夠各部門一起來共享當有共同的一個這個跨境的一個資源的一個平台大家即時通報事實上一定能夠減輕這樣的一個問題但是就要各部一起合作好的是 謝謝謝謝部長 謝謝署長謝謝我們感謝徐議政委員我們家李博義委員質詢 |
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部長先休息一下我先請警政署張署長還有刑事局周局長署長我想社會目前現在現階段非常關心的一件事情不分黨派都關心毒品的案件包含信義區的豪宅裡面出了兩條人命最近更可怕的還有 |
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台灣的網紅在馬來西亞喪命在房間裡面其實我很擔心這種新型毒品或者是到底是什麼毒品種類可能會造成這些危險那也有可能就是藏在電子菸裡面的我上次才質詢署長我們有試劑但是到底是哪一些東西會致命然後最近可能有哪一些我先問一下這個局長好了 |
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信義區這個毒品化驗出來了沒有包含上面的藥頭他這些已經帶回去好幾個了那目前哪一些毒品可能致命你要趕快跟社會大眾講當然我們是希望大家不要吸毒現在身上有毒品的人都不要碰可能會死掉包委員他就是過量的會致死就是事實上我們就是不要吸毒然後過量致死還是沒有我現在想要問的是信義區跟大馬這個事情 |
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西西這案子裡面他這個是有查出有山西土餅的K他命阿非他命還有一粒棉但最重要的是大家的爭議是在 |
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這個就是強爆藥丸的這個強爆藥丸成分不明嗎因為這個部分是因為是用在工業的這個用途很多就半導體的這個溶劑那它可能是什麼樣態是水嗎還是它就是一個水但這個部分就是我們目前來講是還是要請這個會請高監署我們再來做一個討論這個是不是要列入這個毒品管制因為現在在工業化工業用品的部分是很多常用的 |
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我覺得我們刑事局要對馬來西亞這邊表示我們對這件案件的關心那這個部分我們一定是對這個嫌犯的部分我們會加他們在台灣的金流還有相關的這個部分也要給家屬相當的支持這個一定是的好 接下來我問第二個問題詐騙這個也是全民署長我請問你最近比特幣暴跌暴跌十幾%那是因為美國在10月14號 |
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他把這個太子集團的比特幣全部查扣啊這個過去沒有嘛比特幣過去沒有被查扣嘛以為這是可以地下流通的一個一個虛擬貨幣嘛好我一直在等台灣什麼時候要對於這個太子集團出手好昨天已經剛好在今天質詢之前昨天已經把和平大院的11戶跟48個車位還有相關的這些超跑等 |
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總計可能高達45億署長我要問你的是這代表一個決心但是我們這件事情的決心好像是跟著美國後面做未來有相關詐騙 |
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這種案件的時候警政署有沒有辦法跟地檢署跟我們法務部來研擬可能可以直接查扣相關財產相關現金的這些方式沒有問題只要牽涉到炸機的這些的相關的工具或者髒證物我們一定都是會做查扣不管是 |
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包括土地或者是他的動產包括車輛或者是或者是虛擬貨幣這些都會做操控虛擬貨幣我們也可以啊虛擬貨幣可以操控啊不管是比特幣或以太幣全部都可以操控好謝謝謝謝署長來有請部長還有國土署吳署長謝謝 |
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部長辛苦這個防災之後那我還是要跟你爭取很多地方建設啦那這個新莊一路我一直在講那已經在今年度已經署長也來過次長也來過已經申請到4900萬但是目前招標不順利那我已經協調高雄市政府先把不是的這個黑板數先移除大家現在有看到就等趕快招標出去 |
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因為這個過程裡面我們也協調包含地方還有居民還有大樓等等的這些水溝排水的部分我們都做了一個整合那希望今年度可以趕快來施工那第二個新台17線的部分在去年我協調 |
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國防部先待拆待建高達28億的經費感謝部長今年跟署長今年也有來到現場對於南段第三期的工程高達2億的經費的挹注讓整條新台17線現在是全面動工我們還是在力拼明年度可以完全完成施工第三個 |
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TSMC現在一共預計五場現在目前只有一場進駐可是翠華路已經塞車了翠華路在上下班時間雖然我們已經提早做了拓寬但是已經塞車了那我會想到未來台積電它一共是五場可能是 |
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八千到一萬人的從業人口不含廠商八千到一萬從業人口要進出那目前已經有一點塞了我擔心喬科未來是兩萬人口兩萬個從業人員那所以我也一直在跟署長爭取喬科的這個三期可以擴大範圍 |
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三條橫線可以開闢出來連接省道這個也希望署長跟可以跟部長研議在財務方面可行的狀況下盡量的擴大這個我請部長可不可以先做一個簡單的回應好謝謝我想李委員非常的努力那我們也樂觀其成就是未來的TSMC到左營南梓的地段來那我瞭解包括交通部在處理有關鋼橋段的這個高速公路的拓寬已經都在進行了 |
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那是往北啊我重點要往南啊我知道那所以現在都市計畫上面的配合呢我們都全力配合高雄市政府那至於相關的這個進度呢後來請署長跟委員來回應一下好謝謝因為橋科還是屬於這個國土署的範圍是是我說明一下大概都市計畫在9月底的時候已經有審議通過了那包含高雄市政府非常在意的一支道路白浦園區的這個連外道路謝謝這個感謝國土署的支持後來評估一下的確似乎 |
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現在以目前的狀況民眾也反對徵收啦所以後來我們就把他再納進來雖然我們財務會更吃緊不過還是協助他把他完成你要看好看好就不會吃緊啦這個部分我們其實後來財務有把他吃下來因為那一條路的開闢真的非常貴那個其實只是北段的三分之一啦那我現在在爭取的是北段全段加上中間第二條 |
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橫向也要納入那希望國土部署可以積極的來評估這整個把它都納進來的話我們可以去把它完成好 謝謝那第四個有關老宅這一次我們在特別條例裡面對於這個老宅延壽的50億裡面 |
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那針對這個四到六層樓的這個集合住宅那我想再爭取一下其實非常特殊的高雄左營的國貿社區其實就是非常需要老宅延壽的這一筆經費的挹注他只是對於外強外強現在脫落沒有辦法解決的問題希望 |
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內政部藉由這一次這個特別條例也可以把這個左營國貿社區納入這一題我想部長會比署長還要熟請部長回應我們也遵照這個委員的建議就是瓷磚脫落的部分也這一次會列入老宅延壽的一個範圍內謝謝謝謝我們感謝李博義委員質詢我們請到高金素美委員質詢 |
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漂亮的謝謝趙委會請部長請保證 |
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部長 內政部是我們行政院的部會當中最大的一個部會你的業務呢但是我們的預算沒有最大你的業務牽涉得非常廣然後我必須要說的是部長您上任到現在其實我在這邊質詢你大概都是非常理性的而且我要提醒你就是當我們在這個質詢台上的質詢你在備詢的時候其實是非常嚴肅的一件事情而且也是人民需要的 |
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所以不管是您的回答或者是您的部會的各個署長也好 市長也好的回應其實都是非常嚴肅的所以我現在要跟您提幾個問題在這邊您曾經答應過我的事情第一個我要說的是 |
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在6月4號我在這裡質詢要求針對原鄉建築制度性的簡化當時部長您答應我說一個月之內你會完成兩件事情第一件事情競速訂定通案指導原則然後你要協助並且督導縣市政府依法訂定簡化管理辦法 |
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並且要提供必要的技術協助第二個要整理現行的各地的建築簡化辦法的內容然後進行彙整對照然後作為地方參照與因應園鄉特殊情況依據部長五個月過去了通案指導原則在哪裡請簡短的說 謝謝現在是六個縣市政府送上來已經完成但是其他縣市政府還需要努力 |
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這個是我們不夠努力的地方署長這好像是您來我辦公室的時候的回答跟今天部長的回答一模一樣有進度嗎我跟您報告因為我們後來有要求其他的縣市政府都要送上來但到目前為止他們到目前還都 |
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7553.474 |
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沒有把自己的東西拿了出來因為表示他們還沒有去先是這麼不拿你就不監督了嗎就不要求了嗎我們都還有持續開會請他們一定要拿出來請您休息一下我最後會做幾個結論謝謝繼續我要問的是部長你還記得嗎你一上任的時候我們討論過原住民殯葬的問題所以你們從111年到114年度殯葬設施量能提升計畫 |
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我必須要再講一次這是攸關原住民民生需求非常關鍵的建設你當時你也同意可是呢這項計畫在明年度就消失了部長請你能夠說明為什麼 |
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跟委員報告一下我們這個計劃本來是三年度那現在我們要提報行政院第二期計劃確實是從116年開始那中間的115年的話會保留原來111到114沒有完成的部分繼續完成好 請問一下部長114年沒有辦法完成的預算如果不夠 |
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7625.264 |
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那你在115年又沒有編列預算又要等到116年而園鄉地區的所謂的殯葬設施量就這樣子活生生要停一年嗎我想不是這個部分跟委員報告一下這個殯葬設施本來在執行的時候就會有困擾那這個困擾也謝謝部長我都清楚知道因為今天時間有限 |
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所有的困擾在地方上我們都非常清楚你也清楚我也清楚但是不能夠列為就是你115年不編列預算或者您可以告訴我您該怎麼解決處理報告委員我先跟委員再補充一下因為我們在最後一年的時候呢它的規模是達到6.5億 |
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7666.544 |
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那因為6.5億還沒有辦法在114年度完成的話我們希望115年就把它完成所以我們是跳到116年那如果委員對這個有困擾的話我想我們會把相關的部分整理出來再跟委員做一下充分的報告好我希望我要這樣的一份非常重要的資料然後再來警政署 |
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7667.364 |
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7689.837 |
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同樣的5月14號我在去年審查預算的時候我凍結你們的圍牢津貼預算為什麼的凍結呢我希望能夠改善目前我們警察內外勤夜班津貼差異非常大我認為這是制度性歧視問題8月8號我去函給你們進度然後你們告訴我說沒有會議記錄沒有檢討方案 |
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7691.598 |
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請問一下我們警察同仁所謂的夜班津貼差異很大的部分怎麼處理 |
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7699.807 |
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7727.542 |
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好 各位報告那這個部分我們在這個內委會有排一個專案報告那現在我們對原先是駐地外執勤或者備勤有出勤原先這樣規範0到6點每個小時100塊那我們現在是朝勤務方式只要是在這個深淚裡面的值班或備勤都可以做這樣的一個人群因為他們也有一些危險性那目前我們是在 |
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有關於這樣這樣的這個今天可能牽涉到地方要去做這些支付的問題所以我們在10月17號韓文給各相關的這個縣市政府來表示一件同不同意這樣的一個作為那目前這個資料在匯整當中那為什麼8月8號我去去韓詢問進度的時候你們不讓我這樣知道還是你是最近才解決這些問題最近解決最近好最近大概上個 |
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在6月5月做中央報告在6月5月報告裡面做解決的好 因為我5月14號就質詢你了是是是 這個已經有具體的一個結果了好 繼續 請問一下消防署 |
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部長您剛剛有對於災防做了報告你們今天的報告也宣揚防救災的資訊整合跟應變的效能有提升而且這個提升是有成績的像是數位平台 整合演練預警系統等等 |
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我要請問的時候0403地震跟花蓮夜色湖當中的這個事件為什麼中央跟地方的橫向出了什麼問題然後長期以來地方消防人力長期不足署長你都知道然後我們地方的公務處缺乏治山的專業請問一下我在今天你們報告裡面沒有看到要怎麼解決怎麼處理 |
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報告委員您所提到的就是0403的花蓮地震不僅僅0403事實上地震從921大地震到現在常年台灣就是地震帶第二土石流或者是當然淵石湖是第一次發生 |
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但是我們有這麼多的災害在台灣發生過我們也不斷地從新聞看到不管是我們的地方的鄉親不管是我們的鄉親失去了生命這都是一而再 再而三發生的事情 |
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然而這些事情就好像你今天報告說的數位平台整合演練這應該是應該經常要做的事情為什麼到這一次零四零三地震也好花蓮驗身胡藥同樣的災難同樣的畫面都不斷的在我們每一個人眼中出現呢 |
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那您認為我們的防救災資訊整合還有應變的效能真的有提升嗎是 報告委員我想防救災的部分永遠有精進的空間那永遠有檢討的方向那事實上從0403到現在驗社府的部分包括我們從中央氣象署或者是甚至國科會 |
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有關數位科技上面的整合其實是慢慢在整合當中但是我想委員也非常清楚地震發生的時間跟災難形成的時間是非常一瞬間我們沒有辦法在預防撤離裡面做得很好的部分當然會在災害的防救或者是最後的復原重建上面的盡量來努力那這個部分時間到了我必須要打斷您我剛剛說了地震也好災難也好 |
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颱風也好這些都是不斷複製的你剛剛說要有精進我們要精進等到什麼時候你現在看到我們所有的災難所有的畫面所有的人民的感受我們政府並沒有精進啊 |
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一样很惨的画面不断的显露在我们的媒体当中不断的灾难的同样的痛苦不断的显现在我们的人民的身上但是我们也很努力在改进尤其是第一线救灾的人员所以 |
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所以部長我要跟您說的這個問題都是一樣的問題我們真的沒有時間再等了我希望在您的任內之下能夠把我們台灣不斷有同樣的災難把它趕快好好的當然雁聖湖是第一次但是我們不可能有第一次地震那麼多然後山上的雁聖湖尤其是在原鄉地區多得不得了 |
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所以這些東西是要怎麼樣一一呈現做報告的地震該怎麼處理土石流該怎麼處理堰塞湖該怎麼處理颱風該怎麼處理台灣就這麼一丁點大的地方難道我們還有不同的應變的問題嗎部長時間有限我現在要要求以下三件事情我希望部長您在一週之內提供完整的書面給我第一個我要請內政部跟國土署提出 |
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原鄉建築簡化通案性指導原則還有各縣市建築簡化辦法彙整對照的表並且要說明目前進度跟預定的公告日期而署長不要再告訴我有一些縣市沒有辦法提供好吧第二個 |
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8056.592 |
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针对殡葬设施量能提升的计划请刚刚已经部长说明了为什么115年度不续编但是我需要一份资料已经完成经费的分配清单请你提供然后告诉我们116年度是不是这个计划会重启并且要提供原箱带改善的清单第三个请针对警政署围牢津贴检讨虽然您刚刚已经说明了 |
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也麻煩一下再提一份書面報告給我好嗎以上我的三點要求請問部長一週之內可以給我們國土署還有那個中理師跟警政署都會在一週內最後我還是要我最後還是要請部長提一個我覺得我知道這件事情會很辛苦麻煩一下整合內政部裡面的其他橫向的部會甚至於跟行政院報告說明 |
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8088.966 |
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地震該怎麼處理艷澀湖該怎麼處理颱風該怎麼處理然後土石流該怎麼處理 |
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這幾個經常在台灣發生的樣態的災難請告訴我們你們的SOP還有甚至於一般性的演練該怎麼處理可以嗎我們會來努力謝謝部長希望三個月可以給我嗎我們在月底的時候其實就是有個大型的研討會好我希望在你的任內這件事情可以完成好嗎我希望在你任內有點辛苦但是這必須的謝謝 |
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8154.393 |
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謝謝我們感謝高金素美委員質詢我們請林淑芬委員質詢在這裏如果委員會報告我們突然請委員質詢後我們休息五分鐘謝謝好 謝謝主席是不是還是請我們劉部長要喝一口水喝完再來請保重 |
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林委員好部長 要請教你你覺得一條人命大概是要多少錢值多少錢我覺得生命無價如果你是當父母親的話不會覺得要用金錢來衡量人的生命對 那我今天就是要就教於你就是說因為我們立法院為了保護警察的生命安全讓合法執行職務的警察在合法的使用警械的時候 |
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可以不用瞻前顧後然後擔心自己將來會背負著這個誤傷無辜第三人的民事和刑事的責任所以在111年的9月30日我們修訂了警卸使用條例第4條 |
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放寬了員警使用警械的條件但是立法院很負責任的同時修訂警械使用條例第十一條我們針對員警合法的使用警械如果造成第三人無辜的第三者傷亡的時候我們請內政部去制定補償辦法 |
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現在我要再講掉一次我們現在講的是原警合法的使用警線造成無辜的第三人的傷亡那如果是有過失的違法的造成第三人傷亡不是我們去處理的不在我待會要討論的這個範疇這個有國家賠償法有民事刑事的責任可以問責 |
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所以我不是要討論這個 我叫這個請部長看一下內政部根據立法院的這個要求 這個法律授權去制定了警卸使用事件的補償辦法第六條規定建議出這個條文是這樣講的 我們看到第六條的規定是這樣子 |
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如果你被警察合法使用槍械的時候誤傷了死亡的話最高薪台幣六百萬集中度四百五十萬重度三百七十五萬中度兩百五十萬等等好我現在講了部長 |
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我再請教你 你知道最近有幾個案子第一個就是這個111年發生在新北市中和轄區因為警察要逮捕懸掛偽造車牌的車輛結果他就是開槍打死了在車輛裡面後座無辜的第三者乘客請問一下這個警察機關補償這一位男乘客多少錢 |
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8325.349 |
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現在在補償協議目前沒有成立那在行政書院當中你覺得他們機關拿出來為什麼協議不成立因為那個機關怕襲擊無辜的第三者那個機關提出原始多少價要補償人家 署長 |
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這個部分我們可能還要再了解一下這個個案我都給你詢問了你們警政署都知道了你都給我回覆了你們就以說協議不成立還在討論當中在訴願當中你們知道價嗎我告訴你不是600萬也不是打5折300萬你們機關要賠償人家是150萬 |
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我現在講的是合法使用警械無辜的第三人如果留彈那個是講這個車內的我們都知道打這個要追捕的時候開槍打輪胎容易子彈會反彈如果在路邊走路隨隨便便你部長我立委每一個人民都有可能成為無辜的第三者 |
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而我們都知道這個警察合法使用警械所以這個無辜的第三者我們保護了警察的生命安全了那無辜的第三者的生命安全為什麼要付出這個代價你們不是給人家600萬也不是給人家300萬你們給人家150萬 |
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你說這個家屬會同意嗎我今天在講我不是要談這一個個案雖然這一個個案我再講一下因為這個個案不是我要討論的當初警察有沒有過失責任的時候檢察官起訴了開槍的員警過失致死刑事二審的時候警察仍然無罪死者的家屬氣到打電話到法院裡面去 |
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你知道氣到我認為他是講氣話但是我覺得家屬這種行為不可取也不合法但是他是這樣講的 |
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8464.639 |
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我已經找好黑道 要買槍了他最想要殺掉的人是法官我現在不是要講 我認為這件事情是他的企劃但是是不應該 但我是要凸顯如果你 我每個人的家屬在路上走路被榴彈傷及死亡如果一個分局跟你說我150萬補償你 |
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8482.915 |
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那個家屬情何以堪啊所以這是不是代表了過低的補償等於是對死者以及對死者的家屬這個是非常的不合理啊所以報告部長你說生命無價但是你們的補償條例定成這個樣子就算了600萬 |
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8510.045 |
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人家食物面 食物面是給150萬你叫人家要達成協議 那有可能 那有可能人命不能用金錢來衡量然後呢 是無價的 你剛才講的這樣的差距會不會太大了 部長 |
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那個委員我想你提的部分非常有理啦我們會來檢討一下看怎麼樣處理就是因為不管是我不是在討論個案喔我知道我今天講一個人命六百萬夠嗎可以嗎還有極度重殘 |
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450萬你如果極度重殘在那裡送到安養院一個月安養費用四五萬一年要60萬你給他450萬他可以在那裡住七年八年之後他的餘生餘命的費用誰要負擔啊如果重度殘障重度失能375萬如果聘僱外勞的成本一年也要將近50萬 |
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如果這樣子在家裡自己看顧你450萬 375萬可以顧幾年之後他的餘命 餘生誰要去負擔啊蛤 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
8574.212 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
8593.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
一個無辜的生命在國家行使公權力的過程當中被意外的結束掉了他的生命國家不能夠袖手旁觀連一個最起碼的保障都沒有更不要講溫暖所以人民怎麼感受得到說這樣的做是對的 |
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8595.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
8618.14 |
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你要修正保定你是不是說你要修正有那個我跟委員報告一下那個委員所提到的警戒使用條例是111年那在第11條裡面有提到說前項的補償項目基準程序跟相關事項的辦法由內政部定之所以內政部呢未來會根據委員所提到的會不會合乎我們現在社會上認知的一個基準我們會來做檢討改進 |
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8642.466 |
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對啊 你要檢討改進啊但我不曉得你們的想像是什麼一條人命六百萬結果 食物面署長 食物面這個無辜的第三者你們中和分局跟人家說賠一百五十萬這個情何以堪啊六百萬都不合理了你還說一百五十萬不是打八案者耶 不是三百耶無辜的耶要不然是榴彈 |
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| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
8670.721 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
你們的警政署有說你們警察大學的授信有說嗎其實警察開車開輪開車打輪胎是最危險的打輪胎打不準有時候會殘跳很容易誤傷無辜我現在講如果不改的話是怕個案太多不敢改要不然就是對警察的專業沒信心要不然就是對治安沒信心 |
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8672.102 |
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8686.441 |
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所以這個這個我想都不是啦我相信部長今天在這裡這樣宣示部長這樣宣示我們正面看待而且這樣子希望你們可以更積極的作為但是書長書長國際觀執行面不是這樣執行面不是這樣更離譜 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
8691.592 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
8703.159 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
跟委員報告委員的這個非常支持警察的這個正確使用的這個槍枝因為每個狀況都非常的不一我們不要講非常狀況不一我們在講合法使用無過失造成這些的一個相關的不幸的事件我想這個有補償不然我們委員這個講的我認同我們來做一個 |
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你認同這是不合理的現在的狀況不合理現實的狀況確實有真的是落差太大了有蠻大的落差這個我們會來做檢討這個辦法我們來做檢討有署長跟部長的承諾你們的檢討是要多久的時間三個月好不好這個三個月的時間我們來檢討這個好可以謝謝謝謝 |
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謝謝我們感謝林淑雯委員我們現在突然請委員質詢好 謝謝主席那麻煩幫忙請劉世芳部長還有國土署的吳新修署長我們現在補充一下吳署長杜委員好 |
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部長那我先今天想說跟你們討論一下有關於我們桃園航空城計畫一個關鍵基礎的建設工程那我大概先說明一下那有一條道路就是我們客運園區到機場的聯絡道路這一條道路全名是桃園市客運園區到機場聯絡道路大園區環區北路到環區東路入口到老街西的新建工程新P工程 |
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那這個工程是由我們國土署來負責總經費是7億那國土署出5億市府出2億那這整個工程設計施工全部是由國土署來做那這個部分署長應該也知道他在111年的11月就來通車可是要跟部長署長來說明一下他不到半年這整個路面就塌陷 |
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然後而且那整個歸列的非常非常的嚴重那也可以看一下我們的照片那後來當地的議員跟市府養工處都有去現場去勘查那當然 |
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我們大概看一下這個時間表他從111年5月工程驗收再到111年11月1號通車又到112年的6月不到半年的時間道路就開始嚴重的損壞 坍塌 下陷那個時候我們國土署自己也知道這個問題有主動召集會勘 |
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也找了當時的立委還有當區的議員那還有台電啊各個相關單位都去現場那後來我們的前立委何志偉也接受到這個陳情也有辦理這個會刊 |
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後來要求兩個月內提出調查報告那國土署在兩個月以後提出報告但是現在一直到現在114年所有周邊的道路還是持續的破損塌陷那不知道說這段時間我們國土署 |
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針對這些到底有沒有什麼去改善因為他這個道路喔在116年就保固到期那在今年9月我們國土署也有去會勘表示這個問題一直都沒有去改善那馬上保固期就到了到時候保固期到那時間一到沒有改善完成又交給市府那這問題還是沒有改善沒了解跟委員報告啦其實過程就像委員所了解的就是說 |
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我們在112年去調查的時候發現是在之前台電買管線的時候因為我們因為兩旁都是皮糖很多所以我們在道路開挖的時候都有做隔水層後來發現其實是台電在挖管線的時候去挖破了隔水層導致旁邊的水壓上升以後灌進來那我們後來緊急在112年底有做CLSM去把它做一個填補那填補完以後一度以為那個效果有發生但是後來到 |
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今年年初發現即使灌了CLSM以後因為滲水以後底層開始還是持續的軟爛下陷那所以在這個部分我們才在今年九月趕快再召開會議看就根據相關的調查看看能不能再找出比較徹底解決的一個方式 |
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那我想這個我們會盡速把這個其實在112年9月的時候那時候就很明確我有看你們的相關的調查報告很明確就是地下水從台電的人孔湧入然後整個長期它又有地下水兩側的隔水層被挖破了被挖破了所以因為兩旁又是皮塘所以才會有那個水壓 |
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一直衝進來造成這個底層會比較容易軟爛那所以當時才用CLSM去強灌希望把那一個破損的部分把它補起來 |
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所以當時也知道問題可是到現在沒改善所以你們今年九月自己又再到開我想我們保固期前我們還是會提出比較具體的改善措施這個部分我們會來努力那像九月我看這個會刊的結論也已經出來那現在有沒有左手在艱辛因為這真的拖太多年了我們北宮分署已經都在左手沿你這一個改善了因為我們也希望改善完以後後續不要再發生這個問題而不是說 |
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就像委員所擔心的我們只會在保固期裡面一直去做不會我們還是會希望找出比較徹底解決的方法那會不會一直沒有改善然後保固期就到這個我想我們署在做這些工程我們一定會努力把他負責到那萬一到時候保固期到還沒有改善我們會再提出新的改善工程出來所以我希望署長因為這個事情已經延宕很多年那從這一條路其實從開始通車沒有幾個月 |
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就開始坍塌下陷而且連好天氣喔旁邊整個路面旁邊都是積水然後旁邊連整個外車道都已經開始下陷所以這個地下水的問題是非常非常的嚴重而且你們當初也明確說就是因為台電挖這個人手孔蓋管線的問題就是把兩旁的隔水層挖破了 |
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就把它挖破了所以問題找到可是到現在一直沒有改善所以我想那個改善的方式我們還是會檢討啦我們會找到比較徹底的解決方法那我說希望喔那是不是在本週五之前能夠具體回覆我們後面要怎麼去做 |
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我想我們待會回去會趕快把那個改善的報告那如果要跨部會協調也希望那本席也需要出面來幫忙來協調好 感謝委員到時候我們有需要的話還是會請在地的委員因為這已經真的延宕太多年了已經變成所有周邊也就是說我們持續改善但沒有效果效果還是不好而且這要通往機場通往我們國門是一條非常重要的道路這個已經是機場的周邊非常重要的關鍵道路所以 |
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而且有很多不管國內外觀光客都會走我覺得這不要給我們國門不要給人家為首詬辯希望部長也幫我們監督因為這個案子真的牽扯太多年所以才會在這邊提出來土委員你講得非常的正確第一個他這個工程如果還在保固期的話按照公共工程委員會所訂定的這個公家機關招標而且是7億元 |
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我們應該在不管是保固期內或期外應該把道路工程品質徹底的解決那現在委員已經提到說圓胸式台電假設圓胸台電是正確的話那我們就針對問題來解決問題那希望可以早日完工然後不會說按照委員講的如果你一再去整修出現狀況的話我們真的要從長計議怎麼樣解決地下水滲漏的問題恐怕就是未來工程上面需要面對的難題 |
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對啦 我希望能夠具體改善啦你一直在鋪上面道路 它下面都是地下水我們不要這樣做 我們不是只有鋪上去而已 這樣子不行國家工程的品質不能用這樣的方式來要求好 希望部長跟署長出面來監督把我們這多年的問題能夠做一個具體的改善好 謝謝部長署長 謝謝謝謝我們感謝圖謙及立委執行我們以後困惡穩定 |
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抱歉,抱歉,抱歉,抱歉,抱歉, |
| transcript.whisperx[338].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
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愛的平等 舒服啊愛的平等你看那個上次那個中青舞團隊那個結舞團隊 |
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我覺得他講話,我很感動,會是神聖公公,我這些都是救災的醫生,你不能給我山啊,你給我山,我怎麼去救災?空中勤務總隊的,對啊,我看到他就想到他的心頭,他說, |
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什麼都能生,就是救災的前途能生,好難懂阿姨,你有什麼事情要跟阿姨說一下嗎? |
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| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
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你不要說這樣啊,你不是我的好朋友,我只要你加那一句仰仗,我會給你拿一張紙牌。他好厲害啊。你讀寫的報告你會加一張紙牌,你比較當好報告。我還找不到牌,又不太對。沒有啦,太笨啦,要簽到五月的時候,最糟糕啦。 |
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謝謝大家。 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
這裏是一間餐廳。這裏是一間餐廳。 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
9435.819 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
谢谢大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
谢谢大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
臺北市中央公園 |
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| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
我們繼續開會,我們請張雅玲委員質詢謝謝主席,有請部長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
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謝謝部長今天跟部長討論兩個問題一個就是有關於社團法另外一個是國家公園法就是說社團法在第九屆的時候我相信部長當時應該也非常了解它其實已經到了一個黨團協商的程序可是最後沒有三讀通過 |
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那隨著屆期不連續 那立法程序也就中斷了嘛那到現在也已經過了七年我們還像這個法案好像都還在行政院那我不太確定說我們現在是不是有打算開始重啟這個作業因為我想跟部長表達就是說根據我們在2022年的這個國家結論性意見書裡面就有提到 |
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就是這些國際的學者建議我們應該要儘速的完成社團法的立法而且人民團體法也被批評說是戒嚴時代的一個威權遺序過度的限制公民的結社自由所以社團法的制定其實是深化台灣的民主 |
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| transcript.whisperx[353].text |
那再來根據AFCA的這個亞洲公民未來協會它的報告也曾經指出在2020年外交部雖然曾經放寬過規定允許外國設立辦事處看似開放可是其實沒有法人的地位所以它沒有辦法進行募款也沒有辦法招募志工那特別是如果辦事處代表離職帳戶無法交接整個組織會陷入停擺 |
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所以現在其實非常的迫切需要我們去有一個這樣子的社團法讓這些外國組織也可以登記為法人讓這些國際人權組織可以合法的運作也能夠讓我們的兒少參與更為落實所以我想要了解一下我們現在是不是有打算重啟那有沒有個具體的規劃時程 |
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報告張委員我們在這個社團法的草案其實有送到行政院那在審議的過程當然是按照張委員所剛所提到兩公約的部分包括要調降他的發起人的門檻還有調降他要跨七個縣市然後還有針對這個具備居留證的部分或者是說未來看可不可以把許可制改為登記制度這個比較寬鬆的方式就是低度管理 |
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那這個部分目前為止行政院還沒有把它完成這方面草案的審議送到大院來但是我們依照這樣的精神我們還是會持續改進未來如果有需求的話我們會朝著這方面再繼續努力我想已經迫切的有這個需求那是不是說因為其實已經過了也蠻長一段時間期 |
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| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
對 但是要排到議程上面也是一個比較大我們內政部需要去持續關注的一個焦點我想的是說內政部可不可以持續的去催促同時去收集一些新的意見對 但是我們也很怕藉其不蓄神所以可能在處理的過程當中我們會來努力就是說大院裡面如果有很多委員覺得這是一個共識性很強的話送進來我想並不會是太大的困擾 |
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| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
我想要說的是內政部可不可以開始去收集一些相關的意見因為可能當時的版本當然 我們如果要送進來的時候內部一定會再重新檢討希望能夠適應更多的國際上的建議的意見或是國內社團的要求 |
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好 了解 再來第二個討論就是國家公園法其實已經超過半世紀從民國61年制定到現在已經超過半世紀沒有檢討我想部長也非常清楚我們過去是一個封山的國家可是我們現在已經走向開放山林向山致敬可是我們對於法治卻停留在禁止為主的一個思維缺乏彈性跟風險管理的一個架構 |
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| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
9822.677 |
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導致了保育跟使用的長期對立舉例來說呢2015年陽明山國家公園修正區域規範之後呢造成兩個問題第一個園內禁止步道競賽結果連非競技的活動也被限縮第二個像攀岩現在很多人會去玩攀岩這個活動可是因為責任歸屬不明維護標準模糊至今還是沒有正式的開放可是我們都非常清楚的知道實際上已經參與的人口非常的多那這樣子的人口在使用上 |
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已經節節增加的時候我們可以看到在美國在美國他們其實已經有相關的做法例如國家公園管理局的就非常的明確的說要保育自然與歷史景觀的同時與全民共享經驗所以他們在很多的國家公園像這個是優勝美帝它有攀岩然後還有像是大峽谷它有越野跑長城健行那都是透過成長量控制 |
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季節性限制以及活動分區來讓開放跟保育並行那像在右邊的這個日本的自然公園法也是我們大家可以看到這是在日光國立公園舉辦的越野跑都是把親近自然視為教育的一個部分而不是只是讓公園只是被觀看的風景我想 |
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我想強調一個重點就是說3月是一個非常重要的環境教育的場域我們修法的時候應該要把戶外的安全條件和設施責任釐清所以我想請教一下部長是不是有一個具體的時程是否可以來納入我們日本跟美國的一個管理經驗 |
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報告委員國家公園法的修法作業其實非常多的多元那當然我們已經開始有召開跨部會的協商了那什麼時候完成我希望國家公園署可以加快但是委員所提到的這些山芋活動的部分牽涉不會是只有我們國家公園署 |
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其實還有運動部甚至交通部的觀光署都包含在內只要它規範的這些活動不要影響到我們國家公園署站在一個國家公園的角度上包括山林保育或者是氣候變遷還有安全上的需求的話其實我們都樂觀其成 |
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我想就是說因為我們今天要談開放我也想要跟部長還有署長對不對就是說因為要講這件事情之前還是要了解環境承載量到底可以承載到多少才能夠確實的保育能不能執行所以而且因為不同的園區生態條件環境都是非常不同的所以我們必須要一個量化的科學研究是不是可以請部長同意我們針對國家公園的環境承載量制度進行一個系統性的研究用更客觀的數據作為依據呢 |
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跟委員報告就像委員所了解的我們說國家公園署下面的很多不同的這個國家公園署要做這樣的承載量的一個預估跟量化確實比較困擾那必須要結合相當多的專家那當然也希望委員能夠支持我們國家公園署的相關預算未來如果這個需求的話我們會往這方面來努力 |
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一定是支持啦但是我想這個因為是一個系統性研究是不是應該可以先撥相關的預算不然其實很難去討論科學化的沒有 跟委員報告一下系統性的研究如果你能夠標榜出來是哪一些方向我想委員不會要我們去數說這個國家公園署有多少樹木但是國家公園署可以在氣候變遷的條件之下包括固碳 |
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或者是節能減碳或是對整體的我們台灣的這個氣候變遷的這個行動方案有幫忙這一點我們已經在努力處理當中而且我們會有這個Action Plan但是如果要做系統性的是屬於哪一類的標杆那恐怕我們還要再看一下包括聯合國或是其他世界各國在處理國家公園他們的一個量化的指標是什麼如果這些有量化指標出來的話我們會朝著這方面量化指標的示範方向來進行 |
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所以聽起來就是說我們可以參考國外的一個量化指標來進行對不對對 但是我們要去我們要去尋找出來是哪些量化指標不能好像什麼都要從這個什麼天氣然後到這個地下水我們沒有那個能耐去處理這一塊因為我們今天講的還是回到山林保育跟推廣自然這個活動並行的一個狀態推廣自然活動應該是我們只是樂觀其成就是未來運動部或者是交通部觀光署他們有相關的活動我們會支持 |
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就是运动部它是活动的部分但是我们还是要知道说这个地方可以容纳多少怎样子类型跟人流这还是我们需要去掌握因为我们才能做到山林保育所以我们是不是可以往这个方向去做研究听懂了我想委员的方向我们会支持但是人流是可以控制但是未来如果有很多二氧化碳譬如说要在里面举行赛车F1恐怕我们无法认同 |
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對啊對啊是啊是啊是啊我只是說我們是不是可以針對這一些我們到底可以做到什麼樣子的活動我們才能夠開放給運動部嘛因為如果我們沒有這些資料運動部也很難去發展相關的活動嘛所以這部分的研究是可以執行的對嗎是嗎我們來評估好謝謝你謝謝感謝張雅玲委員執行我們家陳冠廷委員執行 |
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主席我們請部長委員好部長好部長我們內政部也一起積極的推動全社會韌性的政策那要強化我們社區的防災能量那同時我也看到民政司他也積極的去輔導這些社區發展協會那希望說社區活用中心可以成為基層服務的這個重要的據點那這些政策方向我們都非常支持 |
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但是我们现在其实我们嘉义县也好其实各县市都有类似的问题就是说在实际运作的社区活动中心现在遇到一些困境就是没有建造跟市造我们嘉义县237间社区活动中心里面只有90间左右有合法的建造跟市造 |
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那換句話說就是六成沒有嘛那六成沒有的話這也不是只有加一的問題我想這是結構性的問題這些中心現在沒有建造時照但是還是正常在使用那也就是說政府的重要的政策任務像是長照C據點老人共餐疫苗施打站那甚至有些是被指定為防災避難所但是因為法規的限制這是老問題了他們沒有辦法申請中央的進行 |
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補助然後進行修繕有一些中心還出現安全的疑慮比方說台中神鋼的快打站也有吊扇直接砸落民眾的事件針對這些事實上長期在使用服務民眾但是缺乏建造時照 |
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那這樣的社區活動中心內政部目前掌握的全國性的統計數據大概是多少大概比例是多少謝謝陳委員的關心如果不安全的話我們不建議它變成防災協作中心但是怎麼樣進行未來的改善工作我請市長跟您回應一下好嗎好 |
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包括社區活動中心的主管機關是衛福部村里集會所是由內政部來主管村里集會所的部分如果是社區活動中心的主管機關是衛福部我們現在講的是內政部的公共服務劇種及有效的危險補強的這些集會所 |
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我現在講的不是社區活動中心我現在講社區活動中心的概念我是意思說集會所那就是你們所轄的這些集會所你們要怎麼樣去把它做前瞻計畫有補助但是計畫只到今年的8月為止 |
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前瞻的計劃有補助村里集會所但是他的計劃是到今年的8月我先來問你是說那如果沒有建造實照他們也可以得到這樣子的補助去修繕嗎基本上要有建造實照所以我的問題不就是在問說那沒有建造實照的話那他們現在這些集會場所那這些集會場所他沒有辦法得到這些補助的話 |
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那它還是在成為實質上面在被使用的有沒有一些方案因為它是一個公共場所安全是最重要的一個問題所以如果沒有這個安全的一個保障我們沒有這個建造實照的話應該是不太適合作為公眾集會的場所 |
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但是他們現在事實上實際上它成為一個集會所所以這是一個死循環因為它沒有實照它沒有辦法申請內政部的農村社區公共改善的補助計畫或者是政府的修繕計畫或者是我們剛才提到公共服務據點及公有危險建築 |
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這一個補強的計劃那怎麼辦呢那他現在實質上還是在被使用如果是合法的這個建築物當然相關的補強一往是有補助那如果沒有建交史照這部分通常是由地方政府選密和這個適合的地點再來改建 |
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直接就是把那些地方全部把它廢除掉然後找其他地方再來改建找其他事務的地點來新建或改建那這個我剛剛提到270幾個有90多個據點我們現在不講我們沒有在搶匯幅我講你們所主管的這些集會場所啊包含你們也被監察院這一個有報告上面質詢的這些集會場所就是你們所負責的地方你們現在的問題出現了你要怎麼樣保證它的基本安全 |
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這些人出現我的建議是不是有辦法設立過渡型的安全改善的專項補助過去六年在這個前瞻計畫裡面地方有提出來的要這個補強要改善的部分可以處理的部分我們都已經盡量來做協助了 |
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我現在講的就是我剛才提到的實質使用沒有建造實照的這一些因為基於安全的問題這個部分我們還是建議地方要尋找適合的地點來興建公眾集會的一個場所那這樣子在我們嘉義縣剛剛提到的你們所挾的這個據點 |
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有六七層都沒有那我們要怎麼樣找到那六七層沒有石造跟建造的這些建築物來供我們的這種據點使用 |
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這個部分因為基於公眾安全這個部分我們還會再跟地方政府來做討論沒關係 那我的意思是說假設現有據點你沒有辦法因為它沒有建造史照你沒有辦法可以補助修繕等等的那變成要尋覓新的地點來去重新啟用不是重新啟用來去重新來建造那就是很大規模的這個預算 |
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我們不要既要且要沒關係但是我們要一個方案嘛那現在就是方案沒有出來嘛方案經常院也都給你們有相關的這些報告來說你們這些不管是你的這些這個 |
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防災的避難所等等有些都不符合規定那這個錢要怎麼辦這個想一下好不好好不好委員我跟你回應一下那個我相信在嘉義縣碰到這個困擾所以那個委員才會提出這樣的問題我剛有詢問我們國土署我們國土署有幫忙做這個耐震補強 |
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只有針對耐震補強的部分那這個是表示外觀的這個結構建築在耐震上面如果需要幫忙的話我們可以協助可是未來可不可以指定成防災協作的這個部分要由民政司來做確認因為他還是要求你需要有建物要非常安全而且所有權沒有其他的這個爭執的時候才能指定下去所以這是兩回事但是如果你針對屋子本身的結構上面需要耐震補強的部分我想我們國土署是可以協助的 |
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耐震的話是可以協助的好吧總是有一個開始嗎好謝謝謝謝我們感謝陳冠廷委員我們請鄧學忠委員執行感謝蔣委我請我們保長請保長 |
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阿丁委員阿丁你這次都三年了沒有耶感謝委員的關心可能有在瘦身的看比較翹脆的看阿丁我們今天講對我們這個危老條例還剩一年多就要結束了我們現在講對這個這個部分說請我們危老重建條例最新的性格是如何 |
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圍牢重建條例的要落日應該沒有吧你說的是可能圍牢條例明年我想您講的部分是應該是都跟圍牢條例要不要修正草案有啦我們要修正目前不是就有現在的進度是嗎好 報告因為我們這個每一年都差不多大概九年就都開始在講這件事所以我們都有 |
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因為我們有請專家學者 也有召開機關的協商會議 到現在九月份還在開 昨天就開了 機關的檢討會也開了三天所以大家現在有幾個重點 那個修繕的方式 現在把我們創新的老宅研修計畫的概念先放下去 |
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然後當然大家想關鍵是說關鍵那個施行日期現在我們這時候是要把它刪除因為那個未來變一個常態性的一個做法還有那個圍牢重建的適用範圍還有他的那個容積獎勵制度都會整個做調整那我們要去考慮這個稅負減免的部分來把它擴大國情的這個合作的案件比較多是這個黨綱跟我們綱的執行力是不是有較 |
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我們這個進途的時間有啦 因為現在高木井喔那個核准的比例很高啦4900多件有核准4700多件有建造的有3000通件啦那已經有新部開工已經有2500多件 |
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所以這個選擇是還可以還可以還可以還可以還可以還可以還可以還可以還可以還可以還可以還可以還可以還可以還可以還可以還可以還可以還可以 |
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施行日期給它站住重點的範圍 還有一些標準 還有做一些修改剛才說到這個老宅延燒的 未來需要的經費要多少現在是三年五十億三年五十億 我就我就得到我們要的預期跟期待是啦 我當然希望說 |
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當然希望說一開始 大家可以用力申請我們現在已經有在辦收銀會嗎沒有啦 要等一段時間才決定通過所以現在我們如果決定這個結尾通過之後我們就正式開始辦相關的收銀會收銀會 先不要說只有局限在土耳其年輕人增加分流 |
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我們當然一開始在選委會、選民會我們的資料到每個縣市都辦這個國分我們都要去開一個選委會這個國分照顧到頭來好 感謝國長謝謝 感謝鄧學忠委員剛才說的那個有說到加基金麻煩啦 雲雲也納入好不好 每個縣市都去 |
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你好陳學生委員請質詢好謝謝謝謝召委有給我認識是不是請一下部長好不好請保證陳委員好部長是好像第一次質詢你 |
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同事以後啊有一點忘記了 但是你是立法院的前輩沒有沒有 你是前輩啊我今天跟你談什麼 談人球馬祖目前有五個人球你知道嗎我不曉得多少 但是我知道你是說收容安置的部分 收容的部分五個我不曉得幾個 但是我知道有五個其中有四個是中國大陸籍有一個浙江籍的 有四個是四個是福建的 |
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這個人球你準備怎麼辦我們當然要持續跟中國大陸來溝通啦你跟他怎麼溝通我問過邱主委邱主委跟他沒有聯絡方式如果委員可以幫忙的話一定會非常大的注意 |
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那大陸委員會就不要了嗎不能這樣講這個行政程序上面陸委會或者是海基會還是需要知道委員你應該非常清楚嘛我也跟縣長有談過知道大概怎麼樣處理這一塊但是事實上這不能由單方面來做決定我這兩天跟邱主委電話聯絡他說我們要健康有序的交流怎麼健康法你告訴我 |
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就是在盡量透明我告訴邱主委啊大陸委員會可以撤掉了海基會也可以撤掉了沒有功能 剩下剩下什麼剩下文書驗證的功能但是文書驗證的比例非常高欸你跟人家講話人家也不理你對不對都是已讀不回啊那這樣下去怎麼辦這個人球要陳遠森處理嗎 |
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我剛有提到如果委員可以幫忙處理我們會非常感激我當然可以幫忙但是在行政程序上面還是由官方機構來祭節會比較好我連跟邱主委講大陸委會真的可以不要了現在仇中反中啊內政部做就好啦國安局做就好啦是不是大陸委會要幹什麼用我請問你他真的沒有功能你這五個人球怎麼辦要找陳雪生是不是我們 |
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跟委員報告這個在卓院長在回應其他立委的說法的時候也要求我們要修改這個入出國移民法的部分對於收容替代的部分如果在台灣有這個違規或是違法的時候要不要加重處罰但是比較重要就是您剛所說的怎麼樣讓這個我想不要講人求啦現在這五個喔也服刑完畢了喔 |
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所以才叫收容 該關的也都關了這人在馬祖啊 在移民署倒楣可是關的天數超過嘛沒有啊 署長這些人是自由活動嘛 對不對 |
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因為報告委員因為這個部分最近有一個是因為那個勾斷海底電纜的那個也自由活動那個現在是因為他被限制出境然後超過所謂的收容天數所以必須得收容替代我不是講這個我講的是其他五個包括這一個是五個那四個在幹什麼那兩個是偷渡的有一個在台灣嘛有一個在台灣的收容所嘛那對 |
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因為現在的這個部分最大的問題是因為他沒有相關證件沒有辦法送他回去因為大陸他自己不給他大通證所以我們就送不回去我現在給他弄了一個大通證的一次性的大通證 移民署也沒看過福建特別幫他辦了一個大通證是一次性的 |
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那個宜峻有沒有來 宜峻組長報告委員 您說的那個就是那個勾斷海底電來的因為他現在那個案件他現在法院的判決啦對 他現在案件還在偵審當中所以還沒有起訴 案子還沒有結所以他也沒辦法走但是大陸的一次性大眾證我已經拿到了對 但是問題是這個會不會影響 有沒有什麼國安法的問題對我這個應該是違反電信電業法啦應該是電信管理法你說我個人的部分嗎這一位偷渡犯啦 |
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我這樣跟他們打電話有沒有通廢啊或是幹什麼的有這個問題嗎 國安局局長沒來嗎沒有啦 這個委員是協助啦是協助嘛 對對對對在你這裡講協助啊在地檢署講就不是協助啦 你知道嗎那問題 事情就大條啦台灣話是不是這樣講有吼 欸現在已經開一個例啦吼我希望這一個法院判決以後讓他回去 |
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如果有證件我們會做我們這裡會給他辦臨時的出境臨時出境大陸的大通證一次性的給他辦好了已經送過來了我請他交給我們議長原則上如果是有可以回去的證件只要有證件我們都會去做協助這個沒問題吧這個要跟陸委會繼續去協商好 署長你請回那個部長再跟你報告一下來難得來 |
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現在金門有那個落地簽馬祖沒有耶金門小山東開放以後金門馬祖開放嘛金門現在人流是一百多萬人我們馬祖大概大陸過來只有兩千個人所以大陸那邊一直跟我講 |
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希望能夠辦落地簽可以辦落地簽嗎報告委員我們得到的訊息是金門的落地簽還沒有完全同意 |
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沒完全同意 你覺得沒有嗎因為我們是跟陸委會一起所以陸委會他在溝通的過程當中如果有的話我們當然會樂觀提問現在的大陸觀光客一個都不准進來喔你知道這個事嗎除了商務簽證可以進來 其他人 |
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來觀光的一個都不只放進來報告委員那個觀光社還沒有開放但是那個小三通的部分是有對那健康永續的交流如果沒有健康永續的話沒有講一國兩制沒有講九二共識永遠也健康不起來那大陸人永遠不要來不要來對我們是好事還是壞事 |
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報告委員 健康有序啦然後健康有序也要安全你講的很健康 人家講的不健康啊各說各話現在又躺在那裡 我跟陸委會主委講你在十年啊 也是在繼續健康有序啦是這樣子嗎如果有飛機跟那個船艦在我們的海峽周遭騷擾的話一點也不健康啊 因為不安全啊人進不來他們大陸人進不了台灣 |
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沒有喔 我所了解的從中國大陸到台灣來不管他是什麼身份這個人數跟疫情前提起來是不差部長我今天提醒你注意一下好不好因為你非常優秀的人對不對你在高雄也當過副市長又當過我們同事對不對現在貴為內政部部長你研究一下好不好 |
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看看這個我們跟陸委會來配合看看陸立謙啊你最好不要跟他配合配合就沒有了行政是一體的行政是一體的有時候他們會當比較多黑臉好好研究一下好不好謝謝因為那個我後面是賴會員時間給我啦不行啦 不行這樣子不行喔不行好啦好啦 |
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謝謝 感謝陳學生委員我們現在讓委員執行謝謝主席 謝謝 請部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].start |
11287.73 |
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請補充委員長跟你跟部長做一個探討這個10月28號以後近一個禮拜我的臉書被灌爆加碼補助雖然是好事情可是基層苦苦的在等待一個明確的說明10月28號行政院長他有公布就是說 |
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針對的丹納斯颱風在這個2萬元的加碼補助的部分2萬那我可不可以請那個署長跟您報告一下好嗎最新的進度沒問題跟委員報告這應該也是在10月28號院長宣布的這個最新的就是它一致性也就是說它是一般戶有這一個煤和修繕簽約的這個部分又加2萬 |
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這個部分那後來又再公布了一個部分修繕面積的我請問你到底就是說在台南市登錄的這個47,823戶然後媒合成功的1022戶那剩下來的這個4600那個46,801戶是不是每一個戶都可以領到這個2萬塊 |
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對嘛 每一戶都可以領到兩萬塊可是現在就是在整個地方上這個台南市政府也說不清楚所以今天特別特別回到那個行政院就是要問那行政院什麼時候撥款因為你要告訴我說現在計畫還在擬定然後 |
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那个等花放的办法拟定了以后再往下走再提出申请再提出那个合定的一个那个办法那这到底要多久 |
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跟委員報告其實我們已經簽報到行政院了因為跟委員報告的確就是台南市政委員很辛苦因為每條一次方案他們的經費就要重算所以已經算了很多次所以後來已經有提報上了報告院你簽到行政院就是你擬定的計畫簽到行政院對不對現在是到這個環節而已 |
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那我再請教你說你的花放的一個辦法到你的核定然後核定完了以後你還要再公佈就是你申請的你花放的流程這樣大概要多久我們是希望在這個月內就處理完了因為這個月內對對這個月你承諾這個月內是是重塑重檢重寬因為這一次就不分資格了在地方我們被罵慘了因為台南市政府也講不清楚 |
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行政院公佈的啊 10月28號都公佈了我們這個圖卡也做了 結果我們沒有辦法很明確的告訴大家就是說錢什麼時候花 那這個資格是不是這個就是扣掉了1022戶 其他的46801戶這個一樣也可以領到這個2萬塊嗎 署長 |
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一樣也可以領到這個兩萬塊嗎補考的都可以領到這個兩萬塊你不要給我回答是你說對完全正確沒有錯這些人也可以領到兩萬塊因為我這樣好撿袋子 |
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為什麼 因為大家不清楚嘛所以我們變成就是說一定要來聽部長 聽署長很正確的把所有的該有的這一些條件然後把它講清楚 |
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對因為因為市府也辛苦了因為要全部重新造冊所以我們也是那時候也請他趕快造冊那我們一邊報計劃然後他請他一邊造冊對現在兩邊同時在作業所以署長你承諾就是這加碼的兩萬塊就是在這個月的月底11月月底大家會領到錢是大家有辦法領到錢 |
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那這些情況自行修繕的也是一樣可以領到這個兩萬塊那是不是可以比照就是污損的未住金直接撥入帳戶呢 |
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我想我們跟市府確認一下因為市府也有市府的作業我們是負責把錢撥給市政府我想署長你來自於台南你應該非常清楚就是台南市就是我們的那個台南市民的那個年齡層年紀偏大如果可以直接撥入就是延漲付的話這個會減少到就是詐騙詐騙的一個那個集團的 |
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再一次的他們的一個行動所以我還是建議就是直接撥入延漲戶這個是對市民來講是一個比較安全的方式 |
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會來跟市府這邊加速協商這個事好 謝謝那再跟部長請教一下找不到路這個找不到路台南市升格15年還有7個區沒有入民那其中這7個區本席就有3個區那存在了一個就是江津北門學甲 |
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那提出來要那個整個那個自救的一個情況是不是就是說條件太嚴苛了需要那個五分之一的副長提案然後再取得三分之二的書面同意是不是就是說甚至還要再等到一年以後如果這一次沒有過的話要再等到一年以後才能重提 |
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那在這裡要請教部長有沒有比較好的一個方式 |
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只有入名 門牌號沒有入名只有門牌號跟那個地方的一個名字那怎麼辦這個是需要中央的一個協助那個台南市政府可以先編訂入名嗎沒有入名我們外地的人怎麼找得到他就是沒有辦法編嘛他就是沒有辦法編所以是不是你看嘛他已經晃著深隔15年了他到現在一直沒有處理 |
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所以就是說有沒有一個具體的方式可以那個來那邊有里長然後有里長表示有里長辦公室那附近有沒有派出所有啊都有啊這樣子好不好就是說我們先找定點因為未來的這個派出所或者是消防隊他們會有他們的這個地方上的點位那如果在救災上面他知道地方上點位在哪裡的話也許我們找到會比較方便 |
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因為你沒有入名我們也沒有辦法去告訴外來救災的人怎麼樣去到那個現場好嗎所以這一次在丹納斯颱風就出現了很多志工還有就是這些物理守護道吹不攏吹不攏吹不攏吹不攏吹不攏吹不攏吹不攏吹不攏吹不攏吹不攏吹不攏吹不攏吹不攏吹不攏吹不攏吹不攏吹不攏吹不攏吹不攏吹不攏吹不攏吹不攏吹不攏吹不攏吹不攏吹不攏吹不攏吹不攏吹不攏吹不攏吹不攏吹不攏吹不攏吹不攏吹 |
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已經有五年的時間沒有盤點了你要加速加快好 謝謝 謝謝部長我們還是請台南市政府根據地方自治趕快把路民弄出來這樣可能會比較好好 那就回到第一我這個也是要撿袋子撿袋子 然後就讓黃偉哲市長聽到是 謝謝好 謝謝 感謝大會委員 委員 |
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在這裏我剛才說的,我們縣長有發言,那位署長,我在這裏要說一句,因為他去到關雲林到台南 |
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這四個月就是院長所發佈的這樣但是這四個月麻煩你如果當地的市政府再溝通一下像今天他現在登記的報告11月28日跟這個規定的時候有的報告誰不知道所以就在的錢任何一角我們都要用在 |
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在下會受在下的責任會擔心但是有的責任完全不知道要怎麼去申請有時候要補人的事 什麼要再送還要再送慢慢發佈 有的人擔不住就已經修理好了 |
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還不算便宜也沒有啦署長要扁免一下啦真的要用在災民身上啊那要去跟他一起 請拜託的去了解一下抱歉 抱歉我們這裡吳清明委員質詢抱歉 擔保一點點時間 謝謝好 謝謝我們召委 我們議會同仁請我們郭徒數 我們吳署長 |
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來請署長 吳署長署長你好署長 我請問我們的土層我們頂部的社會住宅現在在去我們現在頂部這個所在我們土層我過去我所提出的在我們的吉光市村因為那是我們的軍事的土地 |
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所以說那個土地的面積非常大你未來現在已經規劃怎樣土層包含我們法院旁邊還有一塊現在進行得怎麼樣當然我們現在澳沙這一些都是已經有列入年度計劃的包括說我們這個土層司法園區這塊確實當然現在就是他現在那個土地 |
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我們的土層處他們的這整個屈蘭徵收工程有明確已經做出來了那這部分我們就會納入到計劃裡面再去提報土層我們這間是社宅非常欠缺的地方所以這點我們一定會加速來處理因為未來你現在規劃未來土層有幾處我印象土層應該有四處明確講一下 |
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可能資料的話我再提供給另外再提供給委員我現在請問我們現在這個社宅社宅在土城這個地方 |
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因為需求量非常大因為我們是一個渡位區所以說現在很多年輕人大家對這個社宅像他們的需求量他們的意望都很高所以說土層這個地方很多有很多的公家土地我們可以充分來使用這可以解決我們的民眾的問題這樣說 未來我們三峽這個地方 |
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三峽之前盤出來的點比較少因為三峽可以蓋的位置本來就少了因為之前最早也在台北大學城那邊希望找到適合的地但是一直不容易我印象三峽好像只有盤到兩塊而且面積都很小面積都很小對 因為老實說那邊比較難找地因為它也沒有新的開發區如果大學城地區的話幾乎土地區都開發滿了公有地也都用完了 |
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那那個司法園區目前的進度怎樣先跟委員報告一下那個司法園區的部分社宅用地我們現在保留1.1公頃那還有幾塊那個住宅區的部分現在跟住住中心在討論看要不要留作社宅用地這個我們會來配合辦理那第二個司法園區的部分的話去年3月開始開工那現在的話安置的接貨現在已經先在做一個處理了 |
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那這個部分工程的部分因為之前有遇到一些老樹移植還有一些地下管線的部分工程有些delay不過我們會趕快來把它 |
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工程把它趕上那原則上116年底交遞給那個司法院跟法務部的這個目標現在還是現在朝這個方向來處理116年就可以全部完工嗎116年底先交遞給司法園區就是司法院跟檢察署他們要蓋那個司法大樓的部分跟看守所的部分 |
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那後續工程的部分的話整體完成之後我們就會開始點交給我們當地的民眾這樣那市長你剛才說有delaydelay的時程有 |
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有大概半年左右因為現在還有一個部分就是現在台電的話因為本來是69KV的高壓電線他現在把整個土層161KV全部要移到走司法園區那邊所以整個一個規劃的部分都要會去做一個調整所以工程進度會稍微有些落後我們現在在調工程的期程跟 |
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盡量來趕工這樣 這樣好 我們就盡量趕工 歐陽管心謝謝 我們會來注意好 謝謝 感謝好 請我們宗教師來 請宗教師長好 師長好 師長我們宗教團體 自然人名譽登記那現在我們全國盤查了登記有多少有協助申請的 |
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跟委員報告現在有911家已經來登記來完成了那大概他的比例大概是42%左右42%那等於還有58%58%都沒有申請登記 |
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對 它有些是因為土地有紛爭有些是土地要做變革有些是所有權人還是不同意或者是市面上不會主動所以目前我們還是會積極輔導是不是在明年6月9號之前趕快來完成因為你再剩半年的時間我們已經延後了三年 兩年那兩年 現在就半年的時間又到了那你未來這些沒有舞蹈登記的這些要怎樣處理 |
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跟委員報告 未來我們可能就朝向專業 就是專案輔導的部分就是原來他的土地可能是在農業區的 或者是他因為還是自然的民意我們就用專案輔導 就有通販捷島或是土地兵的方式來輔導他只是說那種方式會時間比較長 但是我們會積極來輔導 |
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因為你負責宗教這些區塊上個禮拜就是禮拜五跟禮拜六我們土城白沙屯馬祖來土城遶境你知道人多少嗎光是一天就十幾萬 |
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所以你這個宗教這個區塊你一定要去妥善去處理好你說像這種大型的我們要怎樣來協助這次我還是很感謝我們警政署 |
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警政署動用所有警察的交通維護真的做得非常好所以在這邊我也特別感謝我們警政署還有我們很多民間社團這個宗教這個區塊你一定要去處理好好不好還是他們這個力量真的非常有過大好謝謝好謝謝謝謝我們感謝吳清明委員執行 |
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鄭天才委員執行我們中途不需要休息繼續開會好 召委還有各位委員有請部長還有消防署加消署長國土署 |
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請問吳署長部長好我們還是要再談這個菸社府應變作業標準作業程序這個部分因為它的成績很低所以它只是一個作業程序所以這一次的花蓮馬太安溪菸社府潰壩所造成重大的災害所以我們必須要去檢討 |
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在院長的施政質詢的時候我也質詢過了現在特別要請這個內政部要去提升這個法例的位階因為這個標準作業程序他成績很低所以都是只有林務級甚至他的林管處在處理所以事實上他相關的有很多的規定 |
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包括這個除了菸攝乎這個壩體要開挖之外讓他能夠慢慢留不要造成潰壩造成這個傷亡也提到河道要紓俊然後相關的堤防要加固加工都有規定但是因為這個相關的作業程序真的是非常的低所以我的建議就是說 |
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在災害防救法第22條裡面有規定為減少災害發生或防止災害擴大應該要實施減災的事項譬如說災害潛勢危險度 境況模擬與風險評估都有規定智商防洪及其他國土保安災害防救法都有但是針對驗社府的部分沒有特別列進去 |
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所以我的建議就是災害防救法要增加這個有關菸攝乎這樣的一個處理而且提升為法例位增加一條或是一項然後授權授權這個相關的部會來訂這個法規部長可以嗎 |
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謝謝委員的指教跟委員報告有兩個方向第一個就是災防法修正的時候那農業部呢會把艷澀湖呢當成是災防法農業部的主管單位主管負責的單位那這個我們在這個月底的時候會請這個學者專家來提供這份修法的意見但是院長已經有跟農業部提到就是台灣的這個艷澀湖未來 |
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在監測或是相關的保育工作還是由農業部來負責這第一個然後第二個有關現在的復原重建方案包括馬太安溪現在所剩下的土石邊坡的問題在我們復原重建方案尤其是行政院公共工程委員會在上一次黨團協商在立法院黨團協商的時候已經有指定是由我們行政院的李孟彥顧問 |
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他現在正在召集包括各方面的專家怎麼樣處理這現在馬太安溪上游晏舍湖的部分怎麼樣做減災跟離災的工程的進度好這個當然是不是要由農業部你們去評估因為這個院長已經有這樣子的對外的宣示基本上都會在國有林地基本上都會在國有林地這是基本上如果是在 |
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原住民的保留地那怎麼辦那是不是還是有沒有關係這個我想這個都不會是困難的那個委員非常清楚是就是要有經費行政院的第二億備金怎麼給給一納入好另外就是消防署就請回座署長請回座那這個法大案馬太安這個部落中繼屋這個這個部分上次 |
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院長 卓院長去聽起這個我們署長的報告之前聽起你的報告之前我們的鄉親馬太安部落特別提出這個集體中紀屋的訴求我也把這個他們的訴求也發文給內政部了你們應該有收到了所以這個署長對於這樣的一個訴求 |
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目前的進度怎樣跟文跟文報告啦因為我們其實在他們每一次的開會裡面我們都已經有有我們的同仁都有參與他們的每一次的會議這也是應他們的要求啦所以我們過程當中都會聽他們的最終的訴求而且原民會也都有參與其中那當然最重要的是第一個鄉親要有我們的族人要有一些共識第二個就是說包含地點包含使用的內容 |
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我們希望他們都能夠明確因為畢竟他跟他們的訴求跟一般我們在興建中紀務的訴求是不同的所以我們也是希望他們能夠討論的更清楚比較知道怎麼樣去協助那現在我知道是他們大概連地點還有需要的這個生活空間好像還沒有定案但是我們同仁一樣持續會參與他們的會議去討論這個署長署長這個部長這個其實會跟這個 |
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跟這個第一個上面的霸體 是 什麼時候可以解決 第二個這個堤防什麼時候完成加固加高 現在都紓盡了沒有問題了 但是加固加高這個部分按照這個這個經濟部水利署的報告跟院長的報告是明年四月底以前 沒錯 所以這個部分 |
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所以要去評估啦因為他們的訴求很重要但是你們要怎麼樣讓他知道說其實不用那麼可怕不用那麼擔心這個就要跟誰你們要去聊去跟農業部現在的狀況汐水量已經沒有像之前那麼多了嘛然後這個如果還在潰壩以現在的汐水量在潰壩的話現在的堤防 |
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現在的輸進是不是可以保全這些部落社區都有關係了都有關係所以這個部分這個要請國土署再辛苦一下最後立法院有做一個附帶決議 |
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附帶決議因為這現在狀況非常的多元所以因為這個附帶決議有就是也跟那天跟我們我們遇到了比這您提到的這個還多了對包含昨天又來昨天也有其他委員有問到又是一個新的案例但是我們都還是想辦法解決要解決想辦法解決這個都要解決好謝謝 |
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謝謝我們感謝鄭天才委員執行我們請林柱英委員執行漂亮寶貝來謝謝主席主席我們有請劉世芳劉部長請保重 |
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部長好今天是內政部的業務專報我有特別看了業務專報的內容那麼我知道其實部長昨天在詢答的時候那麼好多位委員都有特別問到了就是有關於到底這個所謂的假偷渡真滲透到底我們在移民法規當中如何把這個漏洞補起來 |
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那麼其實這一位阮姓中國籍人士跟另外一位張姓的中國籍人士他們所利用的這個漏洞的部分我想就是因為我們現行的法規有所不足在10月29號的時候我在國防外交委員會當時我曾經質詢過這個蔡明彥就是國安局局長當時他的強調就是說因為這是個案 |
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那每一個個案狀況不一樣但是其實我相信部長現在非常理解就是這兩個個案他起了示範性的作用為什麼呢因為這一位軟性的中國籍人士跟後續媒體在報導的這位張姓的中國籍人士他們不只是利用這個漏洞甚至於在收容期滿之後在 |
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全國啪啪噪還接受媒體訪問甚至於這個後面這一位張姓的中國籍人士還在抖音小紅書上面示範教學雖然說他現在已經把相關內容撤下來了但是可以看得到這似乎就是變成真的把這樣的一個狀況 |
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讓中國如果想要滲透台灣的時候找到了另外一個橋門那我其實在這一次我們的業務報告當中我發現31頁當好就是入出國籍移民的相關業務但是可能是時間上來不及啦並沒有把這個部分放進你們年度的所謂報告當中那麼等一下是不是可以請 |
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部長來特別的來回應一下這個部分另外就是其實本席已經提交了一個就是入出國籍移民法當中的修正案那我在這個修正案當中是特別加入了所謂的就是第二項的第七條第二項的第七款就是明定主管機關如果認為 |
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有危害國家安全跟社會安定之餘的時候就可以依照相關的規定來修訂第四項也就是說可以針對國安局長蔡明彥所講的所謂的個案針對他們在收容期滿之後是不是可以立刻做出有危害 |
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國家安全或是國家疑慮的部分那當然這只是本席個人的提案但是我希望這個提案能夠先做一個帶頭所謂拋磚引玉又或者是帶頭的效應我希望內政部移民署能夠緊速的透過修法的方式把這個漏洞補起來 |
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謝謝委員的指教委員所提到假偷渡真滲透確實沒有錯在這次呢我們移民法在有關處理這些收容安置或是替代處分的人出現漏洞那包括院長昨天也特別指示就說這些呢屬於在收容期間在台灣趴趴照甚至可以用社群的網路來推廣一些可能跟國家安全疑慮相關的部分我們要從嚴來禁止 |
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但是修法確實是一個可以堵漏洞的方向但是這個修法我們當然支持委員所提到的移民法的第38條或者是相關的規範但是我們要跟陸委會的兩岸人民關係條例一起來共同處理這樣子才有可能是因為我們都知道我們境外敵對勢力大致上還是來自於中國境內比較多那其他的收容安置也有其他的外國籍 |
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外國籍當然也在修法的方向之列所以這個部分呢我想我們會全力來支持而且我們會在短時間之內呢就把入出國移民法會再跟陸委會一起協商之後呢推出這個法案的修正好 謝謝部長的回應這感受到就其實我們真的要把這個漏洞補起來因為就像您所說的本席其實也有提出兩岸人民關係條例的這個修正案就是第18條的部分所以說我希望這個配套我們能夠緊速來處理 |
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把它也列為就是接下來內政部的重點的內容因為其實我知道內政部對於這個有關於入出境的管理的部分當然肩負重任因為這個部分確實如果一旦漏洞已開而且已經達到了這個示範作用的時候我們就要真的要趕快的動起來 |
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另外一個因為時間有限我要特別來問到有關於就是柬埔寨的部分因為我們知道美國針對這個太子集團的部分當然檢調已經在11月4號已經動起來了但是剛剛我在外交委員會的時候我也特別問了林佳龍部長 |
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就是有關於我們因為鼓勵新南向或者是希望新南向的朋友能夠到台灣來消費來投資然後來認識台灣來帶動經濟這個當然我們都覺得OK只是我們也都知道有關於打詐的部分現在很多的電影甚至於很多的不只是電影是真實事件當中東南亞國家確實現在就是來自於中國的詐騙集團或者是詐騙混行 |
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那麼在這個部分就有關於柬埔寨的免簽入出境的部分那麼外交部也認為說他們會做一些修正那麼內政部這裡是不是也會跟外交部來做討論因為我看到您的報告當中其實有特別提到宏觀計畫的部分顯然內政部也有注意到這個相關的問題就是如果東南亞的詐騙高層因為我們可以有一個所謂的免簽的待遇讓他們可以如入無人之境的進出台灣那麼這個是不是我們要必須檢討的部分 |
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對謝謝委員的指教那個我跟其他委員有提到過這個跟太子集團相關的這些人其實他們進來又出去可是他們當時不一定是提供柬埔寨的這個簽證因為他可能有兩國或三國的身份證那我們會從國家安全的觀點來看有條件式的免簽 |
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確實是要列入我們在檢討的一個觀點尤其是前奏國際詐騙犯然後在台灣進出好像如入無人之境啊我想這個會讓人覺得說台灣是不是在這個國門洞開那這個部分我們會來加強檢討好謝謝辛苦謝謝感謝林祖英委員執行 林昆禎委員執行 |
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謝謝主席 我們請劉部長張署長昨天總質詢有問 後來時間到了 這個來不及問完 |
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我再請教一下因為我們現在獨駕大家都很關心那獨駕因為之前就是因為尿檢這個時間比較長拉人比較長那我們用這個盜交條例又有說這個預兩個月不得舉發那就這方面的話你們是不是有跟這個交通部來研議建議這個延長舉報的這個時間 |
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跟委員報告就是這個現在的這個舉發時間就是確定之後兩個月舉發那我們現在之前是移送移送之後就再兩個月舉發但是這個時間是可能拖太長可能會落失舉發時間那現在是以檢驗報告出來開始起算兩個月這個依照大家來做舉發檢驗報告出來第一天出來開始起算兩個月那現在從開始 |
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我們潮澳道的獨家案件我們從案件就從開始管制所以現在不會說不會說漏掉不會有這個情況進行從這個檢驗報告出來開始起算兩個又是哪時候開始的 |
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就是檢定報告 給我們通知那一天道交條例之前是規定說是你那時候道交條例之前沒有做這樣的一個規範就是說移送之後 移送之後兩個月所以你這個算法是從哪時候開始的應該是在前大概前三四個月我們已經有跟交通部有做這樣的一個確認的一個這樣的執行方式所以現在的案件的管制不會有漏掉的情形 |
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禁案這個只要是獨駕那就從告發的單位包括移辦那檢驗回來到偵查隊馬上會通知給這個交通單位請署長給我一個資料就是今年1月到10月你們獨駕的依公共危險罪移送的案件有幾件 |
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這個部分我們資料再提供給我們然後這個舉報了有幾件那因為現在尿檢還是實驗比較久那所以你們現在有一個用那個唾液嘛對不對就是唾液的快篩劑我看你們現在都在演練了嘛然後我昨天有問部長然後現在就是說現在 |
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法治的公告期就是交通部的公告期就是舉發的流程的10月20號進行預告期14天有可能是在中月下旬月底就可以實施10月底就正式實施3分鐘就知道有沒有馬上也馬上會知道就是一檢測就會知道它是不是指於毒品的反應就好像四季一樣那偽陽性的比例呢 |
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我想這個部分世界各國都在做這樣的一個世界各國的這個所以基本上是應該是沒有什麼這個問題可是我看你們那個四季才12,545劑那我們到目前為止差不多有五千多件那現在一萬兩千多件可以用九個月那我們四季會隨時再購買那不過這個的這個四季是多少錢大概多少錢 |
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我們再了解那現在這個世紀就是說脫移的世紀我們是類為各縣市政府警察局的這個他們地方政府那你們怎麼分佈啊怎麼分配啊我們會依照那個這個有關個人口這個有關像新北人口最多他會分到多少應該會分比較多一點但是他地方也大你再分出去這個隨時都是我們會做 |
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那地方政府自己可以採購嗎可以自己採購我剛剛講的就是未來就地方政府就是要自己採購好那可是這個上四年代的一脫名字是不是沒辦法測出來沒辦法怎樣用那個唾液試劑試出來可以測出來可以一脫名字也可以嗎這應該是試劑可以偷測因為我之前看報導說一脫名字他沒有辦法確定可以嗎 |
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我買的四季應該可以撤出可以 還要確定可以對 好 好 OK好 那署長請回那這個我們再請這個那部長請回我請這個國土署的署長來問一下社宅是來 署長這個我看你們這個資料裡面三重有五個這個社會住宅跟我們這個中央有關的 |
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無辜好事A 富貴好事都已經興建好了也準備要招租了然後現在有三個一個是無辜好事B 重新好事 人意好事那都是在這個今年有決標無辜好事B更早決標那現在就這五個地方嘛是不是那這個已經有決標的部分的話那是不是確定可以開始蓋了 |
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沒錯沒錯有決標的都一定會蓋好那現在就是五處嘛那除了這五處之外還有沒有可能再新增加三重的社會住宅我們目前來講是沒有但是如果市府要的話因為我們已經把盡可能盤出來的地都盡量盤還有一塊啊那個是在那個永德段啊永德段那個新北市政府他們已經變更了 |
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本來是屬於這個我們的國防部的用地然後呢他現在已經把它變更成機關及社會福利設施用地了還有這一塊啊而且這一塊面積是1.5公頃如果蓋好的話可以提供一千戶左右的社會住宅這塊有落實掉了嗎應該沒有那麼多這個部分我來了解我是說有這一塊地但是目前遇到一些問題署長知道嗎可能我們來了解看市政府這邊 |
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是不是有提出來什麼樣的一個需求你在看署長好像不太知道這一塊那你去了解一下因為這一塊其實已經那個變更基地已經變更了我知道我知道是舊有的那一塊就原有的那一塊那個在就在那個在中正北路上對對對對對這一塊有印象因為當時是因為外面那一個綠地 |
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有一個綠地的問題還有一些私有但不多私有不多因為住入中心有架構要去進行架構這個你來了解一下然後給我回報一下進度好不好因為地方有這個需求因為當時後來因為那個綠地要進出的那個問題太大因為 |
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當時連新北市政府的那個城鄉局的都市設計都覺得那一塊綠地要作為進出口困難度很高那所以當時有問題有困難我們試著去解決啊好那既然有這麼大一塊地的話那當然它是有綠地那可是現在也那個 |
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那個地木也變根了嘛因為那塊地木很早就變但是因為後來要執行的時候就發現那個綠地要做出口太難了解一下然後也跟我說明一下問題在哪裡要怎麼去解決那能不能在這幾年來開始來動工好不好好因為畢竟那一塊是三重最最後一塊能拿到比較大面積土地的地方好OK好謝謝 |
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謝謝感謝李崑禎委員執行我們家林德武委員執行謝謝主席是不是請這個劉部長還有警政署張署長還有吳署長吳署長 |
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我想首先我先問吳署長很簡單的題目就是因為永和有一個行政園區那我也跟吳署長聯絡過好多次那我剛剛有問裡面你們去查現在就是因為永和那個公所還有呼稱事務所分局包括國務紀念館 |
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都是超過50年以上是那其實要辦一個公辦的行政園區的都更那我剛剛是有特別問說為什麼那麼多省了那麼多字為什麼沒有都好像沒有什麼進展那我是要問吳署長說到底你們那個都更住宅區可以商業區可以行政園區可不可以都更 |
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跟委員報告因為這個案子其實我們也審了三次那因為也一直告訴他因為最主要第一個你行政園區以後如果還要作為可出售的住宅使用的話其實在委員會來講是相對比較困難第二個就是說因為 |
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他的基地條件你也知道就在竹林路跟國光路交叉口那邊的道路路幅也不寬但是市府要把容積率大幅提高到500那產生的這個容積面積會太大所以委員一直有顧慮那他們一直到10月2號才送最新就隔了一年了他們再送新的版本來那這一次有調降把容積率再調降 那個交通衝擊評估 |
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有在重做那所以這個部分我們也會安排在下個月會開始來審查這樣我只不過是要了解一下說到底他為什麼那麼多次都沒有進展對因為中間有幾個困難點那這樣我了解謝謝阿署長你請回來我現在來請警政署署長跟內政部署長那個 |
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因為打詐儀表板顯示這個114年1到10月民眾通報這個整個財產損失的金額高達762億元那我請問內政部是否需要修法來提高這個詐騙的處罰你認為有沒有需要 |
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我個人認為有需要因為去年這個打造中華企業才通過我們經過這個奇端的這個觀察覺得就是有一些詐騙的這個金額我們當時如果說比500萬的話大概就算到 |
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三到十年嘛如果一大概五年到十二年那我们觉得这个金额可以往下降就是用重罚的方式来做一个重罚我认为没有用那个一警政署你是不是觉得这个警察的努力侦办侦办这些这个查集的诈欺问题是判刑过轻嘛让诈团交保以后甚至于他要继续作案因为你判刑太轻了啊 |
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那就是說這個法的這個刑度就是要定高那因為有下限跟有下限跟上限所以有時候就是判刑的結果有些是不符人民的期待因為確實那個詐騙你看很多家庭因為這樣受詐到最後甚至於母女都走入絕路甚至於很多人他受不了就走上絕路 |
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我們也希望這個造房條例請委員支持我們絕對支持啦我認為這個要重判甚至於我認為再加邊刑我跟你講這個只要加邊刑那個不是人權的問題啦我跟你講那些都是保護壞人啦 |
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普化現金一萬元從今天開始要依照身份證字號的尾數進行分流來上網登記最慢明年4月30都可以登記領取那有許多銀行也推出一些加碼抽獎的活動本期是提醒內政部跟警政署165的反詐騙要從源頭封鎖要封鎖可疑的這些網站或帳號避免民眾受騙上當 |
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委員這個部分就是官方的這個帳號只有1萬點擊分點擊其他的帳號都是自繳的這個我們如果巡邏發現到這個一定會下交貨解析對啊我認為這個很重要我們會從源頭來處理數位發展部在搞什麼我真的看不懂其實那個部分一點功能都沒有 |
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我們是針對問題喔 今天是要解決問題啊對 我們會從源頭來...數位發展部一開始花了兩百多億結果 欸 越炸越嚴重老百姓是很憤怒啦 政府要有作為啊喔 署長 保證你的選法勒 |
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包括我們最近一個案例就是一個車手因為車手都是判刑太輕有的時候是根據他拿到兩千塊就給他判個三個月甚至緩刑但是現在有個車手被判了12年那是法官判的所以表示說我們炸房條例裡面要重罰這個部分我們完全支持我認為說你們提出來我相信我們立法院每個同仁絕對會力挺支持 |
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因為你那個等於是縱容上次我看到他那個引渡回來結果下了飛機全部都放掉歷歷在目對不對我認為這是很嚴重的問題而且你看台灣現在變成詐騙王國很可憐很悲哀我們希望站在就是維護公權力的立場 |
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署長也好部長也好一定要嚴苛的該增加刑期該增加判包括那些車手都不能放啦我認為要加重啦謝謝謝謝我們感謝林德夫委員質詢我們現在徐屋奎委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席有請我們劉部長還有消防署的蕭署長請保定請消防署長委員好部長好署長部長我想我們這個台灣我們都不希望發生這個重大的這個災難但是一旦遇到天災的時候這個除了我們的這個消防搜救人員之外我想這個我們的搜救權也扮演一個很重要的一個角色部長認同這個說法嗎 |
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當然因為搜救犬它的功能非常的大而且全世界都認同李湘在我們第一線他們真的是扮演很關鍵的一個尤其我們最近這個花蓮的事件我們也找到一個幾個小朋友都靠搜救犬的努力對那個小朋友六歲的小朋友 |
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但是因為這邊我也要幫搜救犬這個要給他拖一個眼睛部長我們過去這個屏東縣有8隻搜救犬一年的預算13萬多但是因為這個包含飼料也好注射也好訓練器材也好這真的不夠因為屏東縣政府我們的裁員真的有限那尤其明年裁劃完之後我還怕40幾年 |
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部長針對面臨這個不是只有屏東好幾個縣市都面臨這樣一個困境部長這個可不可以做一個專款的一個補助機制由中央來統籌 |
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我們來研究一下因為那個委員現在提出來第一個我們當然會支持這個方向但是需要多少經費可能要細算才會知道要盤點一下對如果是消防署可以容納的部分我們當然會樂觀其成但是如果太高恐怕還是要地方政府因為屏東縣政府當然是他的財政的這個比例比較低一點 |
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但是你说像台北市或新北市的话可能就比较不需要但是全国的搜救犬对对对所以我想这个部分是不是给我们一点时间我们来检讨一下看怎么样来协助 |
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部長因為我知道像我很多的好朋友 他們自己在做一鍋生意都主動每個月都捐款來幫這些這個搜救犬要吃了給他們吃 因為那個錢不夠開啦 包含我們的消防隊員也都自掏腰包也很多啊我想這個是要列一個很重要的一個議題 讓我們這個消防這個搜救犬也要給他們一個很驕傲的一個環境啦 這樣好不好那另外那個署長請問 接著請那個國家公園署王署長還有我們新上任的許書國許署長 |
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我想這個國家工業署的升格我們都樂觀其成尤其署長是第一任的國家工業署的署長署長這個過去也是都在訓練毫不介顧這次再度這個獎勵來擔任署長但是這個這是一個榮耀也是一個重責大任我想過去這個部長 |
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肯定國家公園它有它的這個是我們台灣第一座的國家公園有一定的歷史定位那過去我們在生態保育這塊做得很好但是隨著時空時代變遷時空背景不一樣我想除了生態之外我們觀光的發展應該也是要並重啊 |
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我相信過去墾丸處被人家詬病的就是 關了太多 還沒摘到關動物所以現在造成米穂也好 梅花鹿 造成我們的農作物有夠嚴重署長 針對這個部分你有什麼看法是 給委員報告那個梅花鹿我們真的是保育得很好所以現在目前其實數量 |
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在那個整個恆春派島事實上這個數量事實上是有超過一些啦當然對於農作物這邊也有一些有一些跑到我們的農民那我們每一年事實上除了 |
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還是要加強這個微補還有加強那個整個呼籲區的一個誘引誘導他到呼籲區進來另外針對於對農民那個農作物的一個損害的話我們都有一個補償那最近這幾年大概數量也不是很多一年大概是平均大概四件到五件的一個 |
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容損的一個補償我想我們會持續來監控數據有點失真吧應該不止吧那個112年是比較多有十幾件那最近這兩年確實是件數會少一點那我跟委員報告 |
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我今年開始已經有編一些預算我們作為監控的部分會再強力來監控會再委託那也跟平科大這邊的陳教授這邊來做一個決議的這一塊的一個研發然後來看看能不能來控制這個數量這個除了農損之外其實因為部長我跟您報告一下因為過去每天都在我們的公路也跑來跑去串來串去 |
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也造成很多的交通事故我想要怎麼樣去做一個有效的一個防範可能還是要找出一些對策阿高的部分 破壞性更大我們的紅龍果 黑豆都吃得沒辦法真的非常的嚴重其實我上任的時候有跟農業部相關的單位都有開會討論過我們也是共同大家兩個部會共同來討論怎麼去來控制這個數量 |
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另外我想還有一個很重要的議題要請部長幫忙因為過去部長有去過墾丁應該你都很熟的嘛那因為過去我們墾丁國家公園一年過去都好幾百萬人次啊現在為什麼這幾年沒有恢復回來我想除了這個當然我們的觀光消費這是一個另外一個議題但是我自己去了熊馬展示館或者去沙島我們這些設備都很古啊都沒有維修那墾丁過去經費不足 |
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我想這個新上任的處長應該要針對這些的我們的自己的展示館怎麼做生態教育 怎麼樣做環境維護應該要有一些新的想法 不能都這麼熟成部長願不願意支持我們的案子 |
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那個如果你很肯定處長的話要不要讓他講一下他的想法好不好謝謝委員我想球馬展示館其實對恆春半島的一個一個貢獻其實是非常大的因為早期恆春 |
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主要是以生產球馬為主所以帶動很多的經濟所以我們在那邊設了一個展示館最主要是希望能夠把這樣的一個早期的一個經濟活動能夠有一些歷史的一些回顧那當然因為球馬展示館 |
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我們是沿用以前那個試驗所的一些房設所以是比較老舊的那可是周邊所以這個部分我們會編列經費來做重新的一個規劃那包括停車場旁邊的一個空地我們希望能夠配合目前國人的一個油氣習慣來規劃一些露營區來帶動那個地方的一個發展 |
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這個我想你們再看一下你們自己的那個數據一年200多萬的遊客你們把海生館一年將近100萬放進來靠著這100萬你們剩多少人你們看一下你們自己的數據就很清楚了真的要有新的作為新的創新新的環境新的設備新的做法我想帶動這個不是只有做生態觀光發展應該要並重這個是我對新處長的期待未來還有更多事情我會再找處長再談一下好謝謝是好謝謝委員 |
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謝謝我們感謝徐富奎委員質詢我們請謝榮介委員質詢你好嗨 |
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14466.634 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].text |
等一下 等一下補充還沒叫還沒請你來看他今天要叫什麼啦他今天會臨時啦 讚你這樣就對了像我一天說請補充然後他就趕快處理了沒關係啦 一天一天今天這時候今天的問題我現在主席我請補充跟...請到補充請到補充請到補充 |
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| transcript.whisperx[560].text |
委員你好 保長你好 蘇長好 早上好這個幾年到今年啊我們來進步這個蘇維新聞局這個案件已經付多少錢了保長 備億 付備億 付備億請保長 林友聰開記者會前給我們督促 |
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哇 十幾個我開兩月八千萬就合計了你看你現在說已經付八下去了這八個還不包括我們機械我們買的嘛我們機械的倒立就三月九千幾萬是不是倒立 你說本來是東元電機的部分嗎沒有沒有 那機械我們另外出一枚喔是 |
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14531.963 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].end |
14552.495 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].text |
那是這樣啊 這樣不然你可能比較不清楚啦 我覺得說 不能把雙數當成比數來辦 不要這樣啊 改當 我們合計就合計 改當倍倍 那就是屬性嘛 是不然你去說到說什麼 我開兩月八千萬就隆重把這事情解決啦 不想要把我們省十幾億 你聽到沒有 屬性不是啊這錢都開了 你幾年多 還負擬多少錢 幾年多 還負擬 賠償也沒算啊 兩月八千萬沒算啦 |
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14561.226 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].end |
14576.476 |
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你再付他多少錢 他說要維持多少的運轉嘛 機械這樣子 我們這邊的資訊啦就是代支付的部分加上以支付9.38所以9.38扣掉8.02的話 應該是1.321.361.36幾萬就對了對 連勞 還有加上政策中止的話 還會有11億多11億多 |
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這個案件如果中止就對了,我們還要付多少錢3億多但是如果沒有中止就對了,我們每一年都要付多少錢沒有中止如果還沒中止前,我們現在為了這個機械的低度運轉 |
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我可不可以請市長跟您回應一下好不好是 跟委員報告 因為現在有關中運廠的部分我們大概每年會針對折舊的部分編列4800萬所以每年要付4800萬 只有每年每年嘛 每一年嘛對 那個設備折舊的部分那最低維運的 好 沒關係啦去年 我請教 這樣這件案件他一定會說的 |
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裴樂夫人也有責兵 阿婆要娶幾個妻子 又負責很多同時林博東告訴我們他開了兩個八千萬 都跟事情解決了我想 老博東你是不會用這種態度來面對事情我個人對你的理解像這個博東跟經營書中這個詐騙書中很可笑 台灣坦白說這個查拉布的科技比我們進步更快 |
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詐騙現在已經蛻變到什麼程度 你知道嗎三合一啊 你知道嗎 我們這個民意代表的服務處不斷接觸到這個事情 現在多惡劣現在聽說大眾這些人都專行啊 不用怕得怕穿啊都專去用騙的比較快的不然有沒有這個趨勢有 我們現在發現大概有這個趨勢好 來詐騙 |
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線上博弈地下錢莊變成三合一這個事情你知道嗎知道你知道因為這個本來都是結合在一起的這都結合在一起的我每次我問起來差不多大家毫無阻攏他去線上博弈省三萬現在再來叫五萬他叫一個人叫他叫一個 要再生理學現在要討這條錢 叫另外一個叫他五萬變八萬 八萬變十六萬 |
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我想這個都是複合式的犯罪那就是詐欺博弈洗錢這個是多結合在一起的 |
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我們現在抓大概都是也是在抓這樣的一個不是只有單一的這都複合式的犯罪包括抓詐欺也可以抓到這個地下錢莊也抓到洗錢的就水房的這個嘛那如果這樣被害者讓他騙了啊簽的這線上有本票有什麼這樣這錢要怎麼省 |
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那像這些大概就是說這個他這個被害的這個狀況大概我們會有幾個方式這個貸款會不會成立啦他敢不要真的去面對這兩三百萬一兩百萬四五百萬的債務這個應該不是我們的範疇可能要法律上來做一個界定啦要調查才能界定我是希望說經濟署在辦這些案件的時候 |
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因為這重來卡到訴訟 訴訟就卡到這個被害人要去卡臨這個責罰所以你這個部分如果是在那個詐騙的流程把這裡都有執行 甚至連你提供的司法保障這個我們一定會提供有可能這個被害者他就不用負擔那麼多不然我告訴你這裡差好多人你把他挖整個 你把他挖整天犯債 要跟你拖 |
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對於這些被害的整個狀況的陳述或者是證物的這個呈現我們一定會完備來做一個整備來提供給檢方來做一個 |
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跟經濟事務表達就是說 你辦案過程結案之後 以上的時候一定要把這個寫下去然後給被害人認得在訴訟的過程 法官可以給你免除這個不同的節目好不好好 沒問題 |
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感謝謝龍捷委員職訓我們家習新英委員職訓謝謝主席我們請劉部長請補充 |
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徐委員好部長好不知道前面有沒有委員在詢問有關這個自然人憑證的這個部分我們看到內政部的報告宣稱推動多元申辦管道自然人憑證呢有效卡這個超過6就是發卡好406萬張你滿意這個成果嗎部長 |
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當然不滿意因為我們全台灣的人口沒有這麼少不滿意那有再檢討嗎有再檢討那我接著我們再看一下自然人憑證的使用人次到今年今年我看到的數據到7月 |
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为止就今年度7月为止总共使用了7850万次但是去年113年在同一期它的使用次数是2亿 |
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等於是2.09億次我們看到這個使用率在今年就去年到今年一年內急速下降近乎雪崩請問部長這個是不是一個警訊還有這個問題應該不是可能我們有一些限制不我請司長跟你回應一下這樣子你們知道原因是跟委員說明一下就是說自然憑證有分兩種一個是晶片卡自然憑證一個是行動的是手機的憑證 |
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雖然今年的使用次數稍微減少不是稍微 雪崩對 但是我們借機的系統數已經從原來的900多的系統數增加到現在的1330個系統數所以說它雖然使用的次數降低但是它每一個使用的次數都是在做線上的數位簽章數位簽章就是所謂的電子簽章法個人意識的表達 |
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虽然是说使用的次数有减少但是它的大部分都是在做数位欠张而且我们这个都是过去的统计的数量这因为是疫情的关系所以使用的次数当初有最高峰的时候每年可以达到3.6 |
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意志 仁慈好了 這樣浪費我太多時間了我講的就是去年跟今年比我們看到雪崩式的這種下降我再講一個就是說我們114年累計核發的自然人憑證是超過了1049萬張但是有效期限內的只有406萬是你們報告裡面寫的 |
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所以換句話說這個有效的比率是38%那這顯示出什麼部長你回答你覺得這顯示出什麼你累計發出了1049萬張可是有效期限內到目前只有406萬張等於只有38%不到四成的人 |
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他愿意续用你觉得这显示出什么我们当然不会以这样的数目字为满足可是委员可以听所以你知道民众的决定就是他们不想用不续办不好用但是问题它是代表一个政府在处理事情的公正跟公信能力那这个部分表示说我们在服务品质上是有提升只是它的数量是下降的 |
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那既然数量下降的话我们朝着数量怎么样增加会比较好那因为我们很少去外面做这样的一个宣导或宣传对啊 为什么不宣导我后面也确实要讲所以您也知道多支持我们预算让我们做煤宣啊我们煤宣去年被砍掉三成以上几乎什么样子的功能都没有办法处理不要只有讲砍因为你们福边 |
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这个增加了这么多所以我们才等于说准结经费你还是有得宣传嘛那所以在这边我们要继续讲这表示你的自然人凭证对民众缺乏吸引力而且便利性不足嘛所以大家才不用可是我们也看到每年我们内政部有关这个自然人凭证的这个作业及管理费用一年也要四千万左右 |
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你这个系统一直在维护可是你却没有办法让民众爱用这点就是我们政府要加强的我想部长也很认同所以我们未来继续来加强我们不能发卡千万张然后六成不续办那这样子就表示我们这个产品的便利性出了问题那接着本席再请教部长部长您是否了解在报税这件事上民众最爱用的 |
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方式是什么 用什么来报税用手机会是最方便我听到司长讲 司长你很了解就是行动电话认证 对不对对 然后这第一名它有356万件第二名是健保卡加密码所以你看民众宁可用手机手机方便我们带着就算它健保卡加密码都比我们自然人凭证多 |
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所以這一塊部長剛剛有講宣導跟推廣其實你除了宣導你推廣很多時候你這個推廣不是上對下而是你要真正有效的請問你們目標客群到底是誰你有沒有設定好 |
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跟委員報告就是我們自然憑證是根據ISO29115的標準所以才達到EOL至少Level3的標準那這個健保卡跟那個行動號碼是沒有 |
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不要再講這個重點是我們要怎麼樣更便民讓民眾愛用你講的沒錯你這個ISO它非常的嚴謹而且我們等於是這個比較安全你的意思是這樣那既然安全民眾都不用然後你都讓民眾去用那個不安全的這點就是我們要加強的我們現在在推手機及憑證就是手機上面就是憑證 |
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因為晶片憑證上面就要去臨櫃去申請要250塊他們手機憑證只要30塊所以我們希望在一個會期半年後我們可以看到能夠有成果很快的本席要再請教部長少子高齡化已經是國安的危機所以本席想請教劉部長現在國籍法的修法我們 |
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这个认为是引进心血留住人才的关键那部长您皱了眉头是怎么样这个国籍法的修正草案现在有没有最新进度我们内政部不是有在演你国籍法的部分我们目前都是采取的管理机制大概就是以中华民国国民的身份证件这样的一个处理方向 |
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但是您剛有串聯到說是少子化跟高齡化我就比較不清楚少子化跟高齡化跟國籍法有什麼關係請委員再明示一下我們指的就是我們人才還有我們有一些心血您的幕僚有在跟您說明現在我主要要問的是我們內政部對國籍法的修法是不是現在有在進行 |
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都没有目前没有收到行政院的指示所以我们并没有朝这方向那如果委员提到是有关劳动力所以完全没有着手进行如果您提到有关劳动力的揽财的部分的话大致上是放在我们的移民署方面所以不是在我们这不是国籍法 |
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那我们内政部也没有针对我们人才类别还有数量都没有移民的部分就是说如果您讲的是外国的移民到台湾来的话会规划回来的规划是在国际法但是如果是揽财的部分第一个是国发会还有揽财专法 |
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所以我问的是国籍法你刚刚不是说规划是负责规划但是规划第一个就是他要么就是婚姻移民要么就是他的小孩规划取得国籍的这个方式 |
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那所以我想了解我們這個現行的規劃程序常常被反映非常的冗長那財力證明還有等規定對弱勢移民不友善那我們請問你們有掌握最近三年規劃案件的平均審查時間是多久嗎 |
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如果相關的文件齊備我們其實會很快就核准很快是不是還是你會後提供好不好近三年規劃案件平均審查的時間所以現在針對這一個部分我們沒有在修國籍法目前沒有沒有好 沒關係那我們這個之後再找你們相關單位討論好 謝謝 |
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謝謝 感謝習星雲委員接受我們現在何欣淳何欣淳委員不在我們現在吳宗憲委員質詢好 謝謝 麻煩部長請保定委員好 |
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部長你好部長我想我就直接開始我的論述那部長我想請問一下目前我們國家的狀況我來講國家其實不能夠說有事我們就找警察然後警察現在來跟我們談一些退休待遇的時候那這時候好像又說不關我的事你一方面卡著人家的錢然後說再補發一方面又說再補發其實這不是治理這只是嚴重的失職其實是你當一個警校的大家長我覺得這個其實是 |
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您應該去問問看基層他們心裡的想法那全區部還有人總上個月我沒有問你問題全區部還有人總上個月來內政委員會其實報告的非常的清楚那包括適用的對象系統建制計算還有待遇的調整那都在你們五次跨部會協調會議裡面陸續定案那全區部也有提到替代率的上限還有隨那個本縫調整等等的規則而且有負責這些資訊的建制好那我想請教部長 |
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那這些是你們開會都確認過的對不對我們在五次的協商會議呢都是有派員過去參加好謝謝那我想請問一下既然都已經有派員過去那顯必你們一定對於這個會議很清楚那我想請教一下那對於提高退休金資格的適用對象目前是不是已經有明確的名單了請問部長大概多少人 |
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三萬八千多人有三萬八千多人對不起詳細的那個名單我是不是請署長跟委員報告一下沒有我只說有沒有明確的名單的嘛你是說人數是吧不是人數有沒有名單誰可以當然有啊名單就是有三萬八千多名好有就是有每個人是誰可以領誰會你們有名單的嘛好那現在是這樣就是說 |
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我想上個月16號我們的牛許廷委員他其實有質詢過那其實有表示9月就已經完成名單的清冊所以這個一定有那我想請教一下部長那可不可以開放讓個人去查詢他屬不屬於自己屬不屬於名單的範圍內我說他個人不可能讓他查別人可不可以讓他個人去查詢他自己是不是屬於名單的範圍內 |
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報告委員這個是全序部的系統不是由內政部來主管所以必須要有全序部你們有去開會啊 不行這個跟各自相關的話我們還是要在分工上面做比較好的處理所以這個不歸你們管不是 我們的權限不是不歸我們 報告委員 |
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那你有沒有去問嘛你有沒有去爭取因為你是警消的大家長那這些警察消防他們到底有沒有這個他可以很多人都問到底自己屬不屬於那個範圍內很多人說他搞不清楚那搞不清楚你不能叫小警員去問全區部說請全區部回答嘛他一定是透過內政部來去請教這件事啊那你現在不能說這個是全區部的事不關我的事那你要當他大家長還是當他小弟一個簡單的只要是警察官退休的都是 |
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那是不是 這個就是很明確 你是屬於人家只有適用的這只是警察官退休的那這樣啦 就是警察官退休這樣子啦 我們不能夠籠統的講啦我跟你說再嚴謹的這種標準都會有一些很偏離職的一些人他搞不清楚自己到底屬不屬於所以是不是可以麻煩你們協調權需部至少能夠讓 |
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這些人可以稍微查一下他到底是不是範圍內那我再請教一下部長那你們現在都在講說等釋憲結果嘛那我先不姑且不論釋憲這個事情對或不對啦我請教一下如果釋憲說合憲那你們是馬上 |
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下個月就一次補足嗎是這樣子做嗎就是編列預算的進度到哪裡去我們會追溯會追溯還是一次給足沒有會追溯按照原來的發放辦法我也知道追溯追溯的方式是一次給足還是分期請教部長 |
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你是說以前欠的部分嗎因為未來他按月或者是按他的那個年限是另外一回事你說以前的部分不是啊 我們三四月就通過的法案嘛我知道 我知道委員的意思那你的回溯是一次補足還是分期還給他嘛你要跟我講我的問題這麼簡單 |
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我的問題就這麼簡單如果你連這個都不知道顯然你就是配合著卓榮泰在那邊不發嘛如果有想要發的話因為你的問題我不了解啊如果你可以把問題講得很清楚我就會清楚的回應你不能說無線上告是政治性的操作你只跟我說我會回溯還給人民但是呢回溯一次給還是分次給你到現在還沒有 |
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那預算如何編列我們就按照預算編列的方式處理所以你看你到現在你都還搞不清楚編列預算也是你們的事情編列預算也是你們的事你不要在那邊騙人民那沒有問題我們按照大院通過的預算處理程序我們按照大院通過的預算程序來處理離岸歷史是我一直以來覺得非常厲害的地方但這個地方你搞不清楚就搞不清楚 |
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你不知道一次給還是分次給我們要了解程序是什麼一定有一定的SOP我們絕對不會欺負我們退職的警察人員沒有再說清楚就是在騙這些人還是你最後要拖給藍白亂三一算還是你要像之前你的習慣我沒錢就沒錢啊你以前不是曾經講過這句話我沒錢就沒錢嘛租金貼的時候你就這樣講會不會到時候你就一句話講 |
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最後我想我今天請部長承諾兩件事情我知道你零壓歷史沒關係我非常佩服你這一點我想承諾你兩件事第一個公告追溯補回的SOP我希望你能夠公告對於這些錢誰能領何時算怎麼算怎麼發何時到誰負責這個事情麻煩你們能夠公告清楚第二個 |
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開放權力能夠這個協助他們能夠對這名冊的查詢啦我想基層要的是這個啦我跟你講你不能讓錦霄在第一線流汗然後你們在預算上面就耍爛不能這樣我跟你講真正對於錦霄的感謝不是口號是帳戶到帳對他們的尊敬也不是掌聲啦是待遇到位啦你沒有帳戶到帳沒有待遇到位你都是在騙人啦所以我今天我就麻煩你們 |
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你連今天告訴我合憲之後是一次給他還是分期給他那就大院通過的程序怎麼處理我們按照程序來處理啊把這件事放心上我真的不相信這是行政立法要一起努力的我跟你講啦這些人對政府甚至有公法上請求權可以提告的他提告之後怎麼辦國家只要憋一堆預算又要去請律師我們尊重 |
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好啦 沒關係啦 你沒有解決到問題啦那我剛麻煩你們齁 做到的那兩項公道麻煩你們能夠做到齁 協助這些第一層我們會來協調但是前面的部分的SOB還是一樣要尊重大院的立法院的立法程序 謝謝謝謝 我們感謝吳仲憲委員質詢我們請吳立法委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席 再次有請部長然後消防署長委員好 部長好我先謝謝因為像之前花家殺颱風的時候大家都在關注花蓮顏色湖 |
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那麼在台東物路力道南橫段那邊其實發生很嚴重的災情但是消息比較緩慢那我要特別謝謝因為消防署在這邊也謝謝內政部長因為我們很多的人民跟我們求救請求協助的時候我們 |
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來打電話都立刻處理像是那個時候有三名就是需要洗腎的病人那也謝謝出動直升機去把他們帶出來那很多的救援的一個事項我個人是覺得說其實老百姓都很感謝因為他們覺得效率很好在這邊先說聲謝謝那另外就是也跟消防署有關就是 |
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我在上一屆進來立法院的時候特別針對向山致敬政策有做過很多次的質詢當時蘇貞昌院長是回應說向山是政策 致敬是態度 |
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所以呢當時我也很關心就是關於登山基地我希望能夠去做一些登山基地好讓那些登山的人能夠有一個起點那如果有什麼事故呢也可以在那個地方 |
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有一個通報所以後來國家公園跟林保署都有回應說要開始早點做只是好像又過了兩三年好像不了了之所以我來這邊質詢只是說我想了解一下可以給我提供數據 書面資料讓我了解進度我可不可以請兩位署長跟您先回應一下好 謝謝 |
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委員關心高雄市這個案件我們跟高雄市協調好那可以用初請的車輛的一個費用已經處理好那個我知道了謝謝對好 |
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那個委員問的登山基地是不是會委託部落這邊來協助的這個議題嗎沒有那個時候其實我也有親自去看過都有開過說明會說會選點做登山基地因為有的是屬於國家公園的有的是屬於林保署的我們的部分後來好像就不了了之有浴館的這個部分我們跟東埔部落這邊其實有在 |
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有在跟他們溝通那在太館這邊還有在還有一個地方雪壩那邊事實上我們有跟部落這邊來做溝通我們是希望他們能夠我希望也能夠通知辦公室要不然我覺得很多人問我說委員我們都有看到你質詢然後你也有做圖卡結果呢他們問我說到底結果如何那我自己也不知道好嗎我 |
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會後再提供相關這三個國家公園不過唯一我要謝謝的就是目前因為那時候有爭取到營建署有補助經費所以在屏東那邊的大武山登山基地那個已經很棒了所以我在這個地方也跟我們營建署現在叫國土署來致謝那接下來我就是想說剛才消防署長知道我要問什麼就立刻先告訴我我這樣子說我其實只是要鋪陳 |
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因為那個時候既然致敬是態度我接到很多族人的陳情跟我說委員我們經常幫忙去救難也背大體重點是我的車子也載大體也沒有看到有表揚也沒有看到給我們獎金所以那時候我有質詢我很高興112年的時候質詢有告訴我說會開始編 |
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我確實也看到提升三育事故救援效能五年中程計畫我以為說計畫也有了 經費也編列了直到有人跟我講說委員你那個時候也有做圖卡說以後救援的話會有獎金有表揚跟我說怎麼沒有所以我回過頭來問有是有跟我們想像的不一樣 |
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原來這些是交給一個協會去處理那我就不懂了這個協會怎麼會知道全國各地發生的救援情形而且這些人他也不知道這個協會是誰他也不知道要找誰他唯一能夠找的就是當地的消防分隊可是消防分隊說不知道 |
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所以這個部分我其實也有邀請我們的副署長有來辦公室討論那目前我知道的改善計畫就如剛才消防署長所講的那兩部車如果有再大體就編錢給他但是我覺得這個跟我們當時的初衷不一樣 |
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所以我現在要講的是說後來又告訴我說那我們在原住民的部分做一個原住民特收隊啦也是很高興我們聽了也是很高興但是呢我看到計畫裡面只有補助救援裝備器材訓練課程而且我看到你們的會議記錄地方政府是說可能沒有什麼誘因人員招募會很困難 |
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所以我想了解說如果沒有誘因的狀況下沒有獎金不知道能不能夠招募成功署長 |
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是很感謝委員我們3月計畫跟委員報告目前明年的委託計畫事實上不是一個協會是每個縣有好幾個協會那每個協會裡面都有原住民同胞可能這樣處理可能還沒有辦法達到委員所關心的一個目標所以明年度的委託計畫目前我們正在跟法律 |
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顧問這邊再來討論如果說事法可以做的話明年度就可以朝向比較開放的方式來執行我希望能夠救我們原來的初衷就是很簡單消防署消防分隊有叫我去救援 |
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那我希望有個表揚希望能夠有個獎勵金就這麼簡單那我希望這個部分能夠再去考慮只是我現在要講的是說如果把剛才講的這個救援計畫跟現在的原住民特搜隊有沒有可能把它有一個整併的方式 |
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是跟委員報告原住民特收對現在就是我們採取比較開放的方式不設定說它是什麼主軸那主要是原住民能夠進來可以針對山區的一個救援能夠加入就跟委員關心的願不願意進來有什麼優因所以我們也考慮就是剛才3D計畫這個區塊怎麼做一個搭配做一個結合我希望能夠搭配如果朝原住民特收然後去做這樣的那個我覺得 |
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這樣子應該大家就會很耐心好畢竟救援都在山區嘛也不會在平地好謝謝那請給我最後一分鐘我只要講一分鐘那部長請教一下你看一下這個照片因為我照片那個天花板掉下來因為我 |
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兩個月前有接到一個任務就是現在要做這些什麼原家中心文件站他們都是去借公共空間能借的大概這幾年都借完了舊的派出所 舊的衛生所舊的什麼辦公 村辦公室能借的都借了那他們跟我講什麼呢就是颱風的時候突然整個天花板掉下來 |
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那很危險所以他們跟我說能不能夠臨時幫他們找一些貨櫃屋讓他們做臨時的辦公室那我也做到了就是有一個貨櫃40尺的裝潢得很漂亮讓他們做一個臨時辦公室我其實要講的是說其實我不曉得內政部這個地方有沒有可能去想一個辦法因為教育部因為我們大概這些地方的公共建物國民政府來之後 |
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都蓋得很簡陋後來大概民國五十幾年六十幾年齁陸續就是有蓋比較好的廳舍可是又過了五六十年現在那些又變成是老舊的可是像國小的校舍國中的校舍教育部有編列經費 |
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讓他們在這幾年全面都變成新的校舍可是我看到很多的代表會也好 鄉公所也好 村辦公室也好哇 很辛苦啊 非常的辛苦那現在政府推那麼多社福政策我們也找不到公共空間可以利用所以只是想要問說我們內政部 民政事這邊有沒有可能去 |
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想一想要怎麼樣來編列這樣的科目預算那未來呢也許利用8年的時間4年的時間把這個全國的需要改善的空間都能夠來處理好嗎好謝謝前瞻預算我們到目前為止已經補助了原鄉地區的公所跟代表會有19件有5億多元 |
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村里集會所也補助了26件有7000多萬不過前瞻的預算是到今年8月底為止那後續我們會配合行政院的政策看看如何來協助地方要主動啊原住民55個鄉鎮才做了多少年19個 |
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我還沒有把那個村辦公室活動中心算進去喔我想教育部可以這樣子做我們內政部也應該來爭取行政院的經費好不好好 謝謝謝謝主席謝謝我們感謝吳立華委員接受我們家參議委委員接受 |
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謝謝主席那我們是不是有請內政部劉部長以及管理署吳署長蔡委員好部長好部長這個事實上我們都在關心這個外山頂洲的固沙那這外山頂洲的固沙從111年的時候事實上我們內政部就有通過防止外山頂 |
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防止外陝頂洲沙洲流失的整體防護計畫那當時的防護計畫主要規劃就是說因為布袋山港它在它的南堤那邊有73.5萬方的一個沙源那當時是說把這些沙就直接搬到外陝頂洲去但是第一個運費非常的龐大第二個因為現在 |
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這些沙另有他用在布袋山港這邊正在進行填海造陸所以大概這個沙源的補充就不會再從布袋山港那外山頂州的固沙的沙源要從哪裡來呢我們後來又開了幾次的會我們認為最好的方法就是從外山頂州的西側然後來進行抽沙 |
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然後在外山頂周創造一條中央山脈中央山脈就可以防止海浪爬過來外山頂周的沙都掛下去掛下去後整個外山頂周就會持續流失所以大概這樣的一個固砂計畫 |
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方向都有了但是不知道核定了嗎這一個整個的變更計畫這樣核定了嗎所以想要請教一下我們內政部蔡委員這是國家公園署我是不是請王署長跟你回一下好國家公園署謝謝委員謝謝委員對這個案子的關心那這個案子事實上因為剛剛委員提到本來用布罩的 |
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布袋的那個香港的一個沙園然後改由東石系府那個沙園那這個案子也感謝委員在今年年初上有召開了一個協調會議那會議完以後要改變這個計畫那今年6月份我本人也主持這樣的一個跨部會的一個協商會議 |
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那目前來講的話固殺跟抽殺的部分是由水利署這邊來執行然後呢漁民的溝通跟補償的部分是由嘉義縣政府跟漁業署這邊來處理那這個整個處理的那個計畫事實上我已經請兩個單位把這個變更的那個計畫報到我們署裡面來彙整那這個彙整的工作已經在今年9月24號已經報到行政院去那行政院目前是交由工程會 |
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這邊來請教相關單位然後大概工程會會帶給行政院行政院大概就會核定下來那這個計畫因為有一些變更所以這個計畫會延到116年來執行那相關單位也就是說水利署跟農委會 |
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約束這邊他們要去編編相關的意思116就是後年的意思啦所以事實上可能明年就是跟漁民溝通嘛對因為我們再看下一張圖啦事實上你看外山頂洲你來看它的西側這裡有很多一格一格一格的這個如果你來看會有密集恐懼症這個不是有人在網路上亂講說這是太陽人板這不是太陽人板喔這是鵝尾這是鵝尾這是我們要吃的鵝啊 |
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都來自這個當初的這片海也因為有外山頂座把它保護起來所以我們才有這麼肥美的蚵仔湯好吃但是現在就是說因為整個東石的這個細湖因為外山頂座讓它形成一個細湖正在嚴重的內陸化 |
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這個內陸化是很嚴重的 未來我們整個空間都要變陸地了所以我們才說外陝頂州的抽砂 同時也是避免東石這個細湖繼續內陸化 |
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也是拯救了這裡的養蚵產業所以我們這個計劃整個方向都是非常正確的而且我們如果早一點跟漁民溝通他們可以在我們在工程期間他們先停止他們的這個蚵的蚵棚的這一個釋放跟養殖他們可以配合所以大家都支持現在就查我們行政作業早一點這樣好不好對好這部分行政院已經在處理了那這部分就是就要 |
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營業部以編組預算 水利署這邊要編組預算那個固砂跟抽砂這個工程事實上是經費蠻龐大的沒有錯 當然就有預算的問題但是在111年的時候 蘇貞昌院長就有核定12億了只是當時12億有很多是在做運輸費用那我是說 既然那個運輸費用就不用去卡那條就大家刷過來才抽刷 還是應該要有錢 |
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對啦 有啦 我要當初幾歲的時候叫經濟部這邊要加緊這個腳步好 加緊腳步好 那在第二個第二個議題是不是我找一下移民署 |
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那我直接跟部長講說部長我們嘉義縣我們那個移民署這個移民署的嘉義嘉義的這一個辦事處基本上他就是我們郵局租的辦公廳舍辦公廳舍所以你看他跟郵局混用然後移民署在這邊就像這個空間已經很老舊而且空間也很小 |
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我們是不是看部長能不能適度的支持我們嘉義的這個移民署的這個辦公廳設是不是有機會來新建來蓋一個新的啦找新的地方 確定啦當然啦 因為這是遊郊現在都在遊郊 現在都在遊郊做的 |
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但是我看很安全啦 不過如果是有這個是中用啦啦 不然就空間 覺得吼 因為本身是遊郷的用的 空間是很小的喔這樣遊郷不讓我們用了是嗎遊郷喔 遊郷我只說一句 就不讓你們用了 |
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委員對我們移民署這麼不好這樣的話就是如果有需要的話我請我們移民署跟嘉義縣我們移民署的同仁來商量一下第一個我們希望在比較多人口出入的地方對於很多移民業務上面包括很多新住民的協助會比較大那如果你要蓋新的部分的話移到邊邊角角當然不要到邊邊角角我的意思就是說我們事實上現在有一些產業園區那產業園區裡面還是會有 |
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一些是屬於可以做一些聽色的就是說那個產業園區另外的空間事實上那邊就是產業園區事實上也是移工比較會密集群聚的地方所以我覺得事實上在那些空間來我們可以來評估一下但是最好是現在就是國公有的建物 |
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不要再重新去 因為你剛才叫我們停棄 停棄我們沒有錢但是國共有的建物要找新的承受空間 我們可以試試看這就要再試試看啦 不然這台郵局做的也怪怪啦沒有啦 它是國營事業啦是啦 好啦 OK謝謝 我們感謝蔡議員 委員 Jason我們請黃建平 趙偉 Jason |
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感謝主席 我們請賴建柏老部長請安部長教育好部長好 部長辛苦了這麼短的時間不客氣徐先生也要向賴建柏的同仁說感謝這段時間你們辛苦因為花蓮的災害你們兩邊的遭遇 |
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那今天去我們大仙坡外景有報告說到我們區域排水改善的部分那本市場在拜日就是我們10月27號那一天我當時在那裡 我有召集我們相關的國土署 國土署跟我們的吳市長有去台東看我們飲水的問題也謝謝你安排的機票因為是長假 長假機票不容易是因為那時候 |
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我今天也要感謝蘇頓和吳次長當天也允諾說會來協助來做排水改善這些事情今天我們等到立法會後我現在要進一步跟蘇頓來請教一些問題人家都說我們台東是好山好水有好的風景可是因為地理位置其實我們是站在 |
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我們都在搖滾區第一排因為颱風來第一個時間是台東的鄉親然後才到中央山脈所以我們都說我們是住在最美的地方可是承受最高的風險那像我們的今年我們丹利斯然後洋流然後種種豪雨造成台東很多溪流都暴漲溪水然後淹水的問題那這個是我們正在拜去看的課程的重點像我們 |
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也看到台南市陰水的地方像鳳龍路的部分浙江路這裡因為它地面比較硬加上酒瓶整個開發越來越多人所以它的排水系統不夠這是造成這樣的問題另外就是像藍芒地區那個地方更特別是因為它那邊有個悲難文化遺址它有牽扯到文化公園的部分所以開發上一直都沒有辦法有效的來解決淹水的問題這些都是十幾年的問題保證 |
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這問題 台南縣也很想來解決其實十幾年來都想解決但問題就是說因為台東縣的這個財力是屬於第五級的縣市我們在觀看那天我們跟署長在聊我們觀看工程就差不多四億多了這個還不包括土地的取得所以這個很龐大的費用這邊是我們台東縣政府其實已經規劃相關的一些計畫那是不是這邊內政部可以全力來支持感謝委員那天特別去看 |
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包括有這個古社區比較早期開的道路因為白水比較壞 地勢比較低是 也包括像藍芒地區它因為剛好有特殊的這個這個文化遺址的問題導致它有一些工程沒有辦法很順利的去做 |
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這幾個都會是我們在後續因為我們在未來四年跟進一步有四年四百億的這個一個治水的一個計畫的預算那這部分我想我們都會優先改善這種已經有淹水疑慮的地區這些我們都會優先來支持 |
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謝謝署長跟部長 本席這邊要跟部長講 昨天署長跟市長去的時候他當時答應我們在庭上 請都非常高興因為這件事困擾很久了 只要一大堆就不漂亮了這幾天還沒過一個鳳凰 還要路過海鷗還海鷗 |
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這就是接下來要跟部長這邊來討論就是說我們當然知道這個淹水問題他不可能你特別是土地徵收他不可能是第一時間來改觀嘛但是現在就是我們要越大就淹水的部分要先來短期趕快來解決就是在怎麼樣來防止民宅有淹水就是我們 |
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台東縣政府其實最近有在盤點會淹水的市區有幾個熱點喔那我們也有跟中央來申請這個防水閘門的這個經費大概總共是一千七百十五萬左右我們高危分管政府就已經上我們內政部來提出申請了這個部分是不是補充這個我們今天要來合作讓我們面對我們所要的飲水問題我們隨時來想做改善報告院 |
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我們防水 咱們整個計劃有抱怨在等院合定合定之後就可以趕快來執行這補責 請補充跟訴訟者再給道三講一下好 |
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這樣子真的是也是藉由這個機會謝謝那個部長跟署長啦台東確實他這幾年一直遇到這樣的災害我們其實都很想要來解決我們希望專跟地方一起來合作我相信這北省都很有感的謝謝委員其實你提到這個部分我們大家都會非常重視而且 |
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我們都盡可能因為最主要不要讓民眾的有淹水的這樣的一個憂慮尤其像這些地勢低窪長年需要有防水閘門甚至我們當天也鼓勵縣府或許在一些地勢低窪地區周圍有沒有要做滯洪池的規劃都請他們在做排水的檢討的時候要優先 |
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又先納入考慮 好啦 謝謝署長 署長謝謝謝謝你也很關心台東縣政府這邊的一些相關的案子那這邊再請部裡面來多多來協助台東縣政府來協助我們台東鄉親的問題那在這 這樣感謝部長跟署長感謝 謝謝謝謝我們感謝黃建斌召委我們請楊祥英 |
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楊瓊英 楊瓊英 立委不在我們這裡 侯孟愷 侯孟愷 侯孟愷委員不在這裡 鍾嘉斌 鍾嘉斌 鍾嘉斌 委員不在林倩琦 林倩琦 林倩琦 委員不在我們這裡 蘇清泉 蘇清泉 蘇清泉 委員不在 |
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我們現在羅明財羅明財羅明財委員不在我們現在葉元之委員質詢主席要慢慢請警政署現在張署長委員好 |
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處長好 那個我這邊有一個陳情他是這樣子他要經過那個路口的時候其實他是綠燈要往前走但是因為有一個行人違規穿越馬路後來因為那個穿越馬路後來很多人就扒扒之後那個行人就往後退然後往後退的時候那他們就往前行結果因為那個車子往前行跟那個行人的距離可能沒有到三個斑馬線那麼寬 |
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就直接被開罰單說沒有禮讓行人那大家都覺得很不合理就是明明是那個行人穿越馬路而且他已經往後退了就是他不是要往前走如果他的方向和汽車可能會交叉的方向會發生交錯的話那當然汽車應該要讓可是是行人先違規在先後來也往後退但汽車就按照原本的路線前行結果被罰沒有禮讓行人 |
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那我當然我知道這個交通法規問題我想問署長站在警方執法的角度你會不會覺得這樣的一個規定不太合常理 |
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我們就依照這個個案來做一個認定如果以剛才委員所講的那行政違規所造成的這個就是不理讓先人我覺得這可以申訴應該是可以重寬來認定申訴重寬認定但我覺得應該要有一個原則出來就是說不然的話以後每一個人都是假設先被開了再申訴其實也是造成 |
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那個距離是三個子木如果像這種狀況是不是當時的收證剛好就是沒有看到他違規的狀況是屬於他不理讓行人的這個情形就是前半段沒有去看到這個情形只知道後半段這個車輛 |
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策略不就是這個就是策略不理讓行人的部分如果他整個整串裡面這個全體看到我想這個單子應該是從觀點應該是不會開才不會開那你可能要跟你那個說明說如果類似的狀況就不要先開嗎對我們會把這個個案會來做一個一個宣導來做一個教育 |
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好 再請教一下因為昨天有一個大家滿關心的話題是在龍山市居然有人大剌剌的擺攤出來買證件 |
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我們大家都知道說龍山市那邊有一些詐騙集團他會去跟有名收購個資這並不是新聞可是居然有人可以擺攤然後透過發現金的這樣的一個藉口然後跟人家講說你拿這個現金就要來引印雙證件結果警方最後去查的時候其實已經11個人交出雙證件了我覺得在光天化日之下居然可以做這樣的事情我不知道您那個署長您了解的狀況是怎樣 |
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那這個案是小巨的萬華文明局這個接受到這個報案之後就有到現場去做了解那現在這個案子你是在偵辦當中我知道你偵辦當中我是說那個居然在光天化日之下大家都在圍觀耶那為什麼會發生這樣事所以我們一定會依法來偵辦當然是依法偵辦我的意思是說 |
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不应该发生这样的事情吗因为是光天化日而且大辣辣的在做这个那个因为犯罪的现象千奇百怪速度上面可能应该在加快吧是一定会加快再请教一下因为也是跟诈骗有关昨天有一个新闻说有一个诈骗集团他被检方查扣了45亿那个太子集团太子集团结果他的相关人等是70万到50万交保后来大家就觉得说 |
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這扣了45億結果每個人是5萬到70萬交保那我不知道說警方因為這些都要你們去抓嘛抓了之後又被放出來而且交保金那麼低你們的想法是怎樣 |
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那我想有關於羈押這個部分大概就是會覺得太輕嗎那我覺得應該是有努力的空間啦所以希望說這個要再重一點好 謝謝因為有時候這個檢方或司法的部分有時候我們的這個狀況大概會採取比較尊重的態度來做這樣的一個狀況好 那請那個部長好不好請部長 謝謝請保長 |
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部長我想請教一下現在行政院想要推那個自主都更嘛是對吧那自主都更用意利益良善就是說不要讓建商抽一手嘛可以減少行政程序嘛讓地主可以分回來的容積比較多應該是目的是這樣但我看就是行政院所講的方案是講說以後假設地主自己成立一個都更會就不要找建商就找建金公司由建金公司來幫忙這新聞是這樣寫的啦我了解 |
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未必我們會有多元的處理因為如果是找建金公司那意思跟找建商一樣所以這個自主都更講的我覺得蠻多地主會想要朝這個方向可是目前大家對於到底怎麼做程序上你的程序有沒有跟像危老都更已經進行一段時間大家已經有一個制式的程序可以走但自主都更到現在都還沒有一個比較具體的東西出來我不知道那個 |
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國土署或內政部這邊什麼時候會針對這件事情做比較多的宣傳我們會我先跟委員報告一下我們現在針對那個都更危老條例在修正包括要把老宅延壽放到裡面去那所以都更裡面自主都更這一塊也要放進去未來就是一定要能夠保障想要都更的自然人而不是建商公司或者是一定程度我知道這個我沒有人說不好啦我是說因為那個消息出來之後大家在關心 |
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但是相關資訊比較少所以我覺得可以適時的就是適時的把一些重要訊息讓大家先知道可以先做準備然後第二個就是我們也是我們那邊選區發生的事情就是有一個區域民眾反映說他的房子被人家準備要做4D重畫他是沒有同意可是忽然間已經過半了地主過半然後他很驚訝後來他去詢問其他就是有簽同意的地主 |
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結果很多地主說他不曉得那現在市地重劃有民眾就會質疑就說自辦市地重劃是不是在整合的過程當中法規訂的比較鬆所以才會出現這樣狀況因為他們都很緊張我的房子會不會忽然間就被拿去重劃那 |
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報告委員因為事半事地重劃的話他的發起至少要十分之三的地主同意所以可能在一般的案子他們會先去徵求部分地主同意不過在後續程序上一定還會再做一個公聽會座談會包含聽證讓其他的地主都知道一個重劃的過程才能去做一個核定我覺得最快可能要把關因為他當然是有程序可是來找我們陳情的民眾就很緊張就他就非常緊張 |
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對所以我這部分就是有影響到民眾我們再跟委員請教一下好謝謝謝謝感謝葉燕姿委員精神 |
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經紀法院的委員退後不在庭委員會出內的委員的發言都已經完畢這項結束了委員黃捷所提出的書面執行列入紀錄刊登公報 |
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書面執行及未答覆的部分請相關單位一星期來書面答覆並複製本會這次會議到現在結束現在散會謝謝大家 大家辛苦了 |