| IVOD_ID |
170096 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170096 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-36-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-24T10:11:44+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-24T10:26:54+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:10 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/eeac6239dd17b446056f6fe05b4460ca1e228f614125acb8cb9207885310a77de917a46a4178bfcd5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
沈發惠 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:11:44 - 10:26:54 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請考試院秘書長、銓敘部部長、行政院人事行政總處、教育部、勞動部針對「我國育嬰留職停薪實施成效與擴大育嬰津貼政策」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、併案審查
（一）委員羅智強等19人擬具「公教人員保險法第三十五條條文修正草案」案。
（二）委員黃健豪等18人擬具「公教人員保險法第三十五條條文修正草案」案。
（三）委員翁曉玲等17人擬具「公教人員保險法第十二條及第三十五條條文修正草案」案。
（四）台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「公教人員保險法部分條文修正草案」案。
（五）委員翁曉玲等18人擬具「公教人員保險法第三十五條及第五十一條條文修正草案」案。
【第（五）案如經院會復議，則不予審查】
【開會事由二僅進行詢答】） |
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主席我們先請勞動部市長好請市長市委好市長齁這個我先就一個問題齁剛才在質詢的時候您的回答啦齁我來跟你探討一下這個 |
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剛才我們陳昭智委員有提到有關於我們今天所討論的公教人員保險法或者是這些相關的流停的規定他特別提到有關養子女的部分來收養子女的部分 |
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那我請問市長,有關於這個收養值,我們現在目前的這些相關的規定法令,有關於這個育嬰留職停薪,跟這個相關的公教人保險法裡面,有關於養子女的特別的排除規定,或者是有關於限縮這些規定,只適用於婚生子女的相關規定,有沒有? |
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同委現在性別平等公共法並沒有排除這個沒有這個相關的特別規定沒有沒有排除那如果沒有相關的特別規定的話按照民法第1077條的這個第一項的規定有關養子女與養父母之間親屬關係除法律另有規定之外與婚生子女同 |
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也就是說我們剛剛講你講這個規定都沒有特別的特殊的排除這個這個收養子女也沒有特殊也沒有規定特別就只限說在規定在婚生子女如果沒有這樣的規定的話按照民法這一條他就是適用所有的婚生子女跟養殖跟收養的子女對不對是是就這麼簡單的問題剛剛為什麼回答的支支吾吾的 |
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剛剛一開始沒有那麼聽清楚委員那個陳昭德委員的問題也就是你沒有這個相關排除的規定或是針對婚生子女的特殊限縮規定的話你按照民法你就是就是適用所有他的這些相關的法律關係除了法律另有規定之外與婚生子女同啊所以這些育嬰留職停薪這些當然包括收養子女啊這個這個有什麼好難以回答的呢 |
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對不對我這樣講對不對沒有錯所以這個東西你要很你搞清楚這法律體系怎麼會來問這種問題除非我們認為說這個育嬰的留職停薪必須應該要排除收養子女那就有特別規定我們就來訂一個特別規定除非你想要排除不然的話你現在依照現行的規定一定包括收養子女的是對不對對好次長請回主席主席我們請這個我們全序部好請部長 |
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部長好我想我們在去年的九月我們有針對這個單日的育嬰流食停薪我們有做了政策的規定就是拍板那時候在九月四號宣布我們這個育嬰流停可以單日實施而且軍公教也適用而且從今年的元旦一月一號開始實施對不對 |
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麥克風開一下政府部門是這樣子也是去年九月宣布之後在今年一月一日開始實施有關於育嬰留庭可以單日申請那我要請問現在有關於公務人員跟教師他得按日申請且申請次數沒有限制這是我們現在的政策來我們具體的法律依據是哪一條 |
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我們的這個育嬰留庭按照哪一個法令或者有沒有函式或者是行政規則我們有留庭辦法留庭辦法裡面有規定可以按日 |
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應該這樣講 我們的任用法28條是最上位的法源啦28條之一啦 第二項有一個上面的法源然後根據這個我們訂了一個留庭辦法那留庭辦法裡面就應該是比較大的空間我們來做一些留庭辦法第五條第一項啦第一項裡面的第一款啦 規定說養育三足歲以下的子女 |
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就這樣文字就是這樣你如果養育30歲以下的子女你可以得申請留職停薪但是我剛剛的問題是你得按日你可以按日申請而且申請次數沒有限制這個是哪一個法定規定我沒有反對這個我贊成而且我覺得很棒但是我現在要問的是法定依據 |
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因為我們辦法沒有限制所以我們就做出這樣一個一個彈性的空間啦這樣彈性處理是不對的 部長應該要有法令 你要提供法令去為什麼我這樣子提呢你們至少要有一個作業的指引到底這個單日的申請我要在幾天之前提出 |
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或者是我臨時的狀況我要什麼樣的條件我可以在臨時請這些我們目前都沒有任何的的辦法沒有任何的指引各個機關各行其事到底要在幾天之前提出你這個單日的育嬰假的申請而且你申請你臨時臨時說我今天小孩生病臨時請有什麼樣的條件什麼樣的程序我們都沒有統一的指引沒有規定部長 |
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有關於軍職的部分其實軍人的軍職的部分反而國防部做得比你們好國防部都做得很清楚國防部他們在這個軍職他們就有明定而且他們就已經有甚至連專用的立稿都有了 |
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但是我們其他的公務人員其他的教師我們其他各個機關規定因為我們沒有統一的指引我剛所講的按日申請而且可以不限制數完全都沒有任何的法令沒有任何的函式沒有任何的這個行政規則所以各個機關各行其事 |
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我們注意到這個事情所以我們部裡面目前正在已經徵詢完了啦我們還要再修就是要再修這個原來的那個流停辦法就會把這些 |
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操作的細則就在琉璃辦法裡面有一致性的說明我們確實正在處理中現在已經1月實施 現在已經7月你們到現在這幾個月的時間我們來 已經會過各機關表示意見了這個部分我們還是要有應該要有這個一致性包括合理的通知因為你這個機關你如果沒有一個統一的指引我這個機關每個機關它所遇到的行政狀況不一樣 |
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你要有合理的通知原則還有什麼樣的突發狀況有例外的規定這些都應該要有相關的法律依據好不好這個部分就是我今天第一個要跟部長來談的要兼顧育兒需求跟機關的業務運作的情況我們一定應該要有法律依據的好不好這個是第一個問題 |
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再來針對我們今天我們等一下我們要並案審查的有關於公教人員保險法的相關的條文這個部分請問這個部長我們現在有這個我們之前部有一個草案,草案送到考試院,考試院現在在會前行政院是不是?對請問你們這個法案什麼時候公告的? |
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我們6月11號院會通過什麼時候公告不是通過我是說什麼時候公告讓大家知道看到你們的條文內容什麼時候公告我們法例沒有預告因為慣例上修法沒有預告但是你們什麼時候公告公告把這個法令公告讓大家看了 |
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我們確實沒有在網站上公告這件事有啦有啦昨天下午四點半公告的啦之前沒有啦我要講的是之前沒有有啦就是昨天下午四點半啦今天要審查了你們昨天下午四點半讓助理只有半個小時的時間可以準備啦如果要準備就一定要加班啦 |
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我的意思是說我們在送到考試院之前沒有放在網上之前齁 之前我們辦公室跟你們索取說你們是不是有草案 你們說有 但是不方便提供布板不方便提供 我們跟考試院這個來索資 考試院說我現在在會前行政院不方便提供然後到昨天下午四點半你們才公告 |
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你們這個是什麼考量?為什麼會這樣做?我回去了解一下,真的很抱歉啦這個事情那你們現在這樣會賢的話,大概預計什麼時候會賢完成?那就要看行政院什麼時候回來我們人事行政總署能不能回答一下,預計什麼時候會完成會賢?包法委員那個公保法的修正案,明天提院會討論明天提院會討論?是,我們就會及時會賢送到立法院好,謝謝那這個齁 |
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這個我想我針對我們這次我後來我我們昨天確實加班的看了我們的法案看了我們考試院行政院的這個草案這個我們這個整個版本大概修正有幾個修正重點我看大概四個修正重點第一個就是把過去的育嬰後面加個瓜胡育兒讓這個育嬰跟育兒的爭議把它用這樣的方式來法律上統一育嬰瓜號育兒這是第一個修法重點 |
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第二個就是我們延長這個育嬰的瘤子停性的這個進貼齁從六歲延長到七歲對不對三歲啦本來的三歲啦延長到這個七歲值啦延長對本來對本來就是原來到六歲值嘛現在延長到七歲原來到三歲啦 |
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現在的規定是3歲那配合性工法就會延長到未滿7歲之規定原本就是說草案修正草案在育兒留職停薪適用子女年齡延長至6歲以下期間是該子女7歲之規定留職停薪津貼到該子女7歲為止這是第二個重點第三個就是 |
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這次討論一個很大的重點就是有關於這個津貼給付的月數我們原本六個月是我們原本的做法這個我們把這個 |
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這個給付的月數我們用6加3的方式就是你如果雙親同時同時這個同時育嬰我們就讓你再加3個月用6加3的方式但是目前委員很多的提案草案是直接就加9個月直接加12個月或加到12個月 |
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這個你們六加三是你們第三個重點第四個重點就是有關於這個留職聽信的這個這個低於最低法最低工資的部分做調整大概就這幾個所以比較大概會如果真的我們進行這個這個逐條討論的時候我想真正會遇到比較大的問題大概就會是剛剛我所講的這個有關於 |
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大概有兩個問題一個就是有關育嬰津貼6加3到底我們委員提出來草案大部分是直接把它變成9個月甚至有延長到12個月那我們為什麼要採取6加3這樣的方式而不做直接延長這部分一定要部長說明不然到時候我們委員的草案都是直接9個月我現在簡單說我們都是配合 |
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跟那個性供法加上就業保險法一致性的寫法一致性的寫法這是因為是那一致性的寫法所以我們認為這一方面是一致性的寫法一方面是我們認為這個那個當初這個一致性的寫法6加之所以6加3就是 |
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有政策上面 法律政策上面鼓勵雙親共同雙親共同照顧這樣子的意涵在內背後的意涵是這樣的對 背後的意涵是這樣 鼓勵雙親所以我們還是 我也是認為說我們應該要支持我們的願板這個6加3的部分那另外還有一個部分就是現行的育嬰津貼我們目前現行是到 |
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八成啦齁但是八成裡面事實上我們是薪資的六成那另外有二十趴的部分我們是由公務預算來支應用公務預算來補發這個育嬰留子金貼對不對有二十趴對沒錯那現在我們委員修法的版本直接在法律上面就直接把它規定成八十趴 |
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為什麼我們願綁我們不贊成直接調整為80%我們為什麼還是認為應該由60%來支付這個薪資然後另外20%用公務預算這個理由要請你說這主要是因為公保是一個必須要投保完以後我們要去計算費率的 |
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那我們原來就是用費業概念計算就60%是有公保存在那20%由政府來補貼所以不會涉及費力的定期的精算跟變動如果涉及保險的準備金這些都不會涉及如果直接就是說通通是由保險準備金來負擔的話那就一定要定期 |
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需要去精算他就會對公保的財務他的提撥費率還有這個全體保險人的權益整個都會受到影響主要是有不同的保險人可能不同的看法所以我們那時候之所以會採取說在疫情流行期間我們支付只支付六成的薪資但是我們認為六成不夠政府用公務預算再補20%最主要是希望我們不希望說因為我們調整到80%去影響到整體 |
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這個保險的包括保險的準備金包括這個整個提撥率包括全體的這個被保險人的權益對不對所以我在這邊是是希望說這個我們要講清楚了因為我們委員大部分的提案都是直接就是改成八成那如果這八成再加上我們公務預算二成那就百分之百了 |
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893.123 |
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對不對所以這部分我想在我們修法討論的時候我希望說我們這部裡面能夠把這樣子立場講清楚同時我們又要鼓勵用留職挺薪的方式鼓勵育兒同時我們也要兼顧保險的整體財務上的衝擊 |
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898.886 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
908.554 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
希望說我們未來如果有機會在主要審查的時候我們能夠把我們部的法案的立場精神說清楚而且我們希望說能夠朝這個方向來走好不好 好 知道謝謝 謝委員 |