| IVOD_ID |
170091 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170091 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-36-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-24T09:36:08+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-24T09:52:40+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:32 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/eeac6239dd17b4468b836c4d3d9ea3a51e228f614125acb8cb9207885310a77d63521e5656016d285ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳昭姿 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:36:08 - 09:52:40 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請考試院秘書長、銓敘部部長、行政院人事行政總處、教育部、勞動部針對「我國育嬰留職停薪實施成效與擴大育嬰津貼政策」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、併案審查
（一）委員羅智強等19人擬具「公教人員保險法第三十五條條文修正草案」案。
（二）委員黃健豪等18人擬具「公教人員保險法第三十五條條文修正草案」案。
（三）委員翁曉玲等17人擬具「公教人員保險法第十二條及第三十五條條文修正草案」案。
（四）台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「公教人員保險法部分條文修正草案」案。
（五）委員翁曉玲等18人擬具「公教人員保險法第三十五條及第五十一條條文修正草案」案。
【第（五）案如經院會復議，則不予審查】
【開會事由二僅進行詢答】） |
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謝謝主席有請勞動部次長然後情緒部部長還有考試院副秘書長有請三位 |
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那我一邊說因為剛剛聽諸位的報告我是就是想要了解目前已經存在的所謂的育兒津貼我先請教勞動部的次長請問你這個育兒津貼因為是育嘛 育的部分嘛因為你們剛剛的口詞這個用詞都講到生育但是上次我們現在在育兒就是養育的部分才會有幾個月的部分請問你們這個發放的對象有適用那個收養的家庭嗎有適用收養的家庭嗎 |
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收養孩子的人有沒有適用這個育兒津貼呢?有還是沒有?沒有就檢討你的精神是這樣嘛要讓大家能夠去養小孩啊願意養小孩啊 |
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生當然是一個意願那生完很重要是養啊養到成年啊你說不出來都沒有齁我幾十年前收一個孩子我完全沒有受惠啦但是我OK的但是我要告訴你們沒有齁這段這麼長時間沒辦法回答主席這個時間要扣掉喔有沒有有沒有委員如果是法定的收養的話是可以的現在法定收養都有法定有沒有人要照顧孩子這麼辛苦養一輩子 |
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你要納入喔 你要確定 那不能再給我一個報告好嗎 次長那 經過養 收養小孩那年紀還在規定範圍內的時候OK 有道理嗎是育兒嘛 育兒嘛OK 好 謝謝那將來 將來我倡議的代孕法案過了也請你好好想好 準備這件事情我們再研究 好嗎委託夫妻 如果透過代孕有了小孩這個孩子你要 他要養啊 養啊 |
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你要不要放在裡面你要先去研議喔不要等我這個法已經過了然後你在那邊完全沒有公平的對待可以嗎那你先給我這個收養的部分然後再來是這個代孕部分好嗎 |
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我們來研究一定要啊那收養就立刻要有答案啊收養我想這幾天內就請你給我一個答案不給不公平啊不給不公平啊只要法定程序收養的是可以適用的現在都是兒童福利法都是收養都是非常嚴謹的都是有證照的啦能夠自己生的都沒有證照 |
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這個整個收養過程我們太清楚了這個面談不要多少次在法官面前還要上課還要這個健康檢查證明良民證那個收入證明財產證明太多過程了這個都是法定的程序好嗎你們漏掉的部分顯然你們是漏掉但是我要跟委員補充說明就性別評論工作法它的立法精神是希望父母要親自照顧小孩是親自啊 收養小孩是親 |
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是來就已經收養他就是法定他的孩子啊主席不好意思這個他們如果連定義都不清楚我這個時間都不算了因為我今天還是很重要幫公務員講話我只是要補充說明這個立法意志沒有啦 你就要想看看嘛收養孩子我以前就一直在講這件事情因為我收養孩子已經30年了以前我們完全沒有被顧慮到但事實上人家說好偉大好偉大我也不覺得偉大啦這個都是自己的意願 |
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收養立刻補上去養孩子嘛 育兒嘛 育兒嘛很多人就是不敢養才不生嘛好嗎 次長可以這樣 我這樣講有道理吧就法定程序收養都適用好 這幾分錢都好 一定是現在還有偷小孩嗎 那是犯法你不要跟我講法定好嗎兒童福利法 請我去查查看好 麻煩你 次長這樣可以嗎是我今天 然後請你準備 待遇法案通過以後再下來你怎麼處理我們來研究 來研究好 謝謝 謝謝然後這個 全區部部長也麻煩您跟我回答一樣的問題好嗎 |
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沒有錯 我們的制度都是跟著那個現在新北公共平台跟就業保險法一樣的你意思是說收養都沒有啊收養有啊有 只要是依法收養我不要再講依法這個字眼 有人會覺得就是一樣的 一樣的制度市長聽到 就是一樣啊 要一樣啊生的放一邊養的大如天啊待運回來你也請你準備好好 謝謝 謝謝好 這個是 那 |
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我想 次長請回首先我要對考試院這次公保法、利用法還有考試法修法方向表示支持小子女的話講了這麼多年我們看到很具體的一步但是因為前進的一步我們就看得再深遠一點那剛剛我們也做了報告民眾黨黨團提出一個修法版本我們希望把這個育兒留職這個停薪津貼的基準從現在的百分之六十拉高到百分之八十那請問副秘書長還有全序部長你們基本上能夠支持這樣的一個版本嗎 |
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事實上就是另外20%就已經加到20%那個部長我知道這個部分就是說事實上有但是我們希望保障法定保障是提高到80%我知道委員的意思是希望把它放法裡面去法裡面就有跟委員報告細節的東西因為我們公保是個保險那有可能定期就要重新算費率啦 |
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事實上最好的方式是說把電池提到80你們照樣補助就是百分之百直接補助啊你要生小孩就這樣才有成果啊這個事情因為我們都是跟著性別平等工作法來的啦所以法案要修應該從那邊開始但是你身為主管我想你也可以往前去思考嘛對我知道這個事情 |
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我們都知道公務員的公保投保金額是用本縫計算公務員有很多專業家級、職務家級但本縫往往很低有人剛開始在兩萬多、三萬多我們也必須知道你要鼓勵相對年輕人生小孩不是過了育齡年齡所以相對他們的本縫是一定在比較低的部分 |
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雖然這次修法有說如果保險本封低於這個對低工資會補差額但是如果超過呢因為有的很低嘛那如果超過的你要有這個決心鼓勵生育部長我覺得至少有兩個重點本封還是要調整嘛本封因為為什麼呢因為公保的給付育嬰留庭這個津貼退休金提撥都是根據本封啊剛剛林委員提到都是根據本封你計算的基礎都是本封啊 |
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我沒有考慮啊我之前在質詢也有說明這十年來GDP的成長率超過大概94%但是公職人員他們的調薪才14%遠遠跟不上所以本鳳的部分我還是請部長能夠費心一下至於剛剛我提到60%保障法定的百分比提到80%也請你們好好努力因為我們現在重點是要鼓勵大家生養小孩嘛 |
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那公務員是沒有這個後顧之憂啦好嗎 那個這個部分60到80我可不可以在兩週內知道你們初步的研議結果呢好可以嗎可以 就是我們現在其實也是把差別只是說要不要入法啦補助歸補助啊入法就是要入 付法才有保障啊入法就有可能會調費率啦安心養育我就跟委員報告說他有可能會調費率啦安心養育 好 |
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那最近賴總統終於醒悟了推出育兒大禮包 包含同事職貸有津貼 人力調度有配套 老闆補人有資源那所以我要請教這個副秘書長跟部長 勞動部正努力往這個方向走那公務員體系要對齊嘛 這個現在是政府最喜歡用的兩個字嘛那根據現行的公務員加急給予辦法 公務員請假留庭 現職同事代理很重要 要連續十天 |
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才能夠領取這個食物佳績但是很多家長他需要的後來有的時候是短期的零星的零傘的部分那個育兒減工時或短期請假那如果沒有滿10天的代理那你不是要同時做功德嗎 |
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這樣對嗎 所以請問全序部 十天以上才有今天的緊箍咒 要不要拿掉各位報告 我想這個事情 從另外角度來講應該政府部門永遠都走在前面了以前勞動部門有休 我們就已經先有 只是說要連續十天現在就是說因為有這個制度的話 我們就來看看有沒有需要休我們事實上政府部門還有另外一個獎勵的制度 |
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我們會來繼續來研議這個事情叫人家做功德彼此幫忙好嗎就是給那因為勞動部有在研議在幫忙代理育兒工時可以按日取津貼大概例如每天800元所以我們是不是可以研議一下那個彈性津貼過績效這個獎勵所以秘書長這個 |
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考試院這次踏出了第一步,但不能只做半套啦所以我們希望是針對公務人員,值待十天的門檻放寬以及對齊民間育兒值待津貼的機制我是不是想請人總,今天人總也出席了兩週內提出一份署名報告給我如果說機關認為我們請新人來幫忙那也可以啊,那看你的配套是什麼 |
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這樣可以嗎我想兩周內我們來提個書面報告跟委員報告說以前已經有這個制度了現在這個制度因為這個修正有沒有需要再做一點討論這樣子 |
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那現在還是麻煩部長還有這個人種的陳樹之處長跟教育部林處長我一邊講好嗎這個時間全國退休人員在今年六月已經陸續收到這個補發停感年金的重新審定函全序部也表明最晚會在今年八月以前要完成補撥一百一十四年十二月底到到今年七月這個差額那這件事我本身要先給全序部一個肯定那當然我之前也問了要不要回溯到 |
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6月幾號?6月8號 |
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6月11號那發言人說假話啦那你如果講老實話他就是說假話啦6月11號他就說沒有啊我們沒有收到公文啊可以這樣嗎 可以公然這樣嗎好 我再請問一下人總人總有沒有收到公文 |
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報告委員有給人事總署的公文有收到那為什麼6月11號李慧芝說沒收到是她推脫還是妳在推脫是她講老實話還是妳講老實話報告委員因為受問者是行政院人事總署並不是行政院可以這樣回答是不是那發言人可以不知道就隨便講話嗎我沒有收到他等憲法法庭 |
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委員我跟您報告我們給所有的主管機關都發給各職主管所以也給各部會也給行政院應該是這樣子啦那所以他只是總署代表是總署收到這樣子啦總署收到這麼大的事不知道就可以發言嗎發言人要好好做功課啊 |
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那個陳處長 請問人總 就是說不管你收到當然就是說你是收到了啦 還是現在才看到那你會配合辦理嗎 通知各機關嗎 還是扣著不辦 還是要等什麼釋憲呢你們會做嗎 要釋憲嗎報告委員 人事總處收到是副本嗎 |
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然後你要等釋憲嗎?還是要趕快辦?我們就是依照行政院的政策來執行政策是什麼?是要等釋憲還是現在辦?對,就是依照行政院政策來依釋憲結束也尊重全區部檢查的權利你有法律基礎嗎?立法院三讀通過的東西你不遵守?你要等著一個不做功課的發言人講說他要等釋憲? |
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這樣嗎我們就是針對這個相關的這個退補法律勇敢一點對就是對錯就是錯都是尊重依照行政院的政策執行好依照行政院好大家聽齁全國國民都在聽這個這個這個質詢齁好教育部林處長請問針對退休要教師部分教育部編列補發停凱年金的預算嗎發的夠發的出來嗎有編列嗎夠嗎 |
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跟委員報告 這個不用預算 原來就在裡面 只是說我們原來節省下來的是預註回來所以他是沒有預算的問題沒有預算表示發了出來 對好 發了出來 謝謝你那全區部行政院 剛剛你說要申請釋憲所以你們是贊成 你是支持行政院用釋憲來拖延跟不買單立法院通過的法律作為嗎 |
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你是不是支持我跟委員報告這不是知不知是這個釋憲案已經在進行了我們已經提出釋憲案但是我們還是依法行政我們這依法行政的過程就是說釋憲是一個程序我們現在把該做的事情審定發出去然後8月1號以前就按照這個方式那當然這中間過程還有釋憲還在進行中我想跟委員這樣報告 |
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那你能不能承諾今年8月1號那個差額的部分可不可以百分之百如期發發因為我們審定案出去按理說機關就根據這個審定案來進行8月1號可以齁那就是說當然這裡面還是有視線的程序但是如果視線程序都沒有任何一個狀況當然就是按照這個程序來進行視線是行政院提的啊考試院也要跟著這個嗎違憲嗎我們考試院也有提視線你也提視線喔對 |
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好 你今天好好跟所有公務員講 你們要提釋憲不是 我們已經提了憲法法庭 大法官都不夠了 開什麼會好 |
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本席還要替18萬退休工作人員向程序部澄清台灣教育產業公會日前召開記者會他們說程序部發出了這個重新審定通知書敷衍了事失去通知書的意義我深有感受很多退休工作人員徒苦等了半年滿心期待打開這一份攸關自己年老生活的這個行政處分書結果帶上腦花眼一看發現這樣只是把112年所得替代率的救贖數字直接超過來了它不是實發的金額啦拜託你們這種事也做得出來 |
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這個全區部附上的QA就是問答當中請退休人自己計算說要乘以1.02 1.04所以退校公教的人就告訴我說我都老花眼了你還叫我自己算喔部長為什麼會這樣呢為什麼發生這樣的事呢不是我們都是根據一項的狀況因為退休審定感是一個基礎它不會變動 |
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所以我們一定要把它跟發出的這112年你實際上的省定額多少那因為退休是會調整的所以每一次調整就根據省定額的基數去乘以那個1.0幾1.0可是這個系統自動會帶出來也就是說另外一個發放系統的時候到時候他刷本子你在講處理過程思考過程但是對民眾跟公務員而言國家難道不是一體的嗎 |
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政府就明明有全國國家能退休輔續的整合平台資訊系統技術上你們已經把想要調整後的金額匯入平台了為什麼就不能再給當事人的處分書或通知書多加一個欄位呢就是115年實際發放金額為什麼這種變名措施這個行政局只做半套呢為什麼把換算責任丟給那個曾經為國家勞心勞力的退休公務 |
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他們真的不用判斷就是那個發放平台最後會自動算出來把就直接機關就根據這個下來就發放就直接到你幹嘛還讓人家一堆人看不懂啊真的一堆人看不懂啊因為我審定作業就是發審定函啊 |
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好 那就我想本期要具體要求請全序部在一個月內研議針對這18名這個退休工作人員從今何發你從今何發會提供一個能明確查閱真實的退休經時發的額數的通知機制不要讓國家的一致性跟政府的公信力在一張羽翼模糊啦做半套在審定書上好嗎你可以答應嗎 |
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我想這個到八一一號八一一號的大家這樣刷本子的知道了啦你還是要刷本子喔八一號每一個人都會入帳啊就直接入帳了啦故意學問很大然後寫了三四頁我都看不懂的東西寫了一大堆法條一大堆你就把告訴他你要補你多少啊你們有資料啊就是告訴他啊不要讓他自己算算這樣可以嗎 |
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反正將來一定還要再補我們真正通過的部分還有兩年的部分要補謝謝 謝謝各位 謝謝主席 |