| IVOD_ID |
170086 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170086 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-35-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第23次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
23 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第23次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-24T09:22:27+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-24T09:34:31+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:04 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/eeac6239dd17b446aeb7393971dcd55c10c520a6e5259bb24ef49be2458dc035f0631761c12512c65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王義川 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:22:27 - 09:34:31 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第23次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國防部部長顧立雄報告「教召制度公平性、後備軍人實戰化施訓成效與女性召訓配套措施」，並備質詢。
（6月24日及25日二天一次會）） |
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好,謝謝主席,我們請顧部長跟我們群眾署的署長請顧部長還有群眾署署長是,王委員部長請問這個教昭的名冊是機密嗎教昭的名冊我想這涉及那個各自的要保護就是說 |
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現在有多少,有誰在被叫招這個是不是機密?這應該是屬於公務機密的一部分公務機密嘛,就是事先不會知道寄出去之前不會有人知道嗎?我們是在每一年的這12月之後,大概12月25到1月1號會在網上公開 |
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下一年的那個流入,那時候就會有,只能查自己的只能查自己有沒有被教召在哪一個時段會被教召第二個教召過程中,過去有沒有發生裡面有人去試探軍情?或者是因為一般人不能去旁邊,大陸就教召 |
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我去測會、我去吃探軍情、我去看這些文件有沒有發現過 |
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我想我們當然要緩緩滲透的工作,要做好環情報不過在叫召的期間,手機應該是要納入收腳的範圍所以在叫召的期間,我想我們會盡量來防堵這樣的狀況發生就是有防堵,但是目前還沒有發現 |
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校招的期間,我的印象所及似乎沒有這樣的案例,就我的印象所及有這樣的機制就好了第三個我們過去校招歷史上的士兵,最老的是幾歲被校招?就是士兵退伍八年內會被 |
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列入教召選中,他廚藝就是36歲我那譬如說他博士班念完嘛,30幾歲,他就去做兵,做兵以後沒辦法去用教召他在做廚藝對,我就說他去教召嘛,教召你現在統計起來最老的是幾歲 |
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因為跟委員報告就是說士兵除役的年紀是36的話那麼他在服役不管他在哪個時節點服役服役如果過了36歲他就不會納入教召所以就是跟大家說你如果超過36歲在士兵你就不可能接到教召嘛這個是確定啦那如果是官呢 |
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他一階級不一樣除役那軍官、士官他邊管年限剛剛有報告就是12年退伍後12年內除役就是按階級50到58歲都有 |
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50到58歲,看他退伍的階級所以有可能50幾歲,也有可能叫人照召就對了市館長是58歲,校級也是58我想這些資訊因為網路都會傳應該是結合12年加除役這兩件事情要我知道啦,我想說你們在蘇雄啦,你們在蘇雄一定有 |
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我年紀這麼大了還來背教召啦,我是不知道他幾歲啦 |
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但是他覺得他年紀大為什麼會被叫招,他有可能在博士班年紀大他也有可能做兵了不過我們現在的政策上還是採後退先招啦,就是說原則上還是現在最 |
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因為我們要恢復集戰力這是我們的政策目標嘛那政策目標的話採原併歸原位的話還是希望他後退的先遭這樣的原則在做現在我們各級學校啦各校各中各中台下的老師會不會被召召老師是在納入緩除禁招他是緩除禁招的對象 |
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什麼意思就是緩就是緩招然後他學校的人事部門就必須要幫他辦理在他在校的時候他就要幫他辦理然後專科三年級以前 |
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專科三年級前還有所有國中國小以及高中老師都會列入這個緩招的範圍就是學校幫忙申請對學校要幫忙所以他就不會在你們要叫招的名冊裡頭那你們有提出一個原則叫原兵歸原位嘛一本隊做什麼兵種的就去原位請問無人機這件事情是幾乎所有兵種回去用叫招回去的都會蒙到無人機嗎 |
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現在新式的教召的14天都會有無人機的基礎訓練差不多上幾個小時的課?兩個小時兩個小時兩個小時跟他介紹無人機跟遙控飛機也不一樣的差不多他們有沒有操作?有有操作兩個小時他就有辦法操作? |
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基礎訓練我覺得這個要分成兩個概念一個是它本身的部隊的編制武器有沒有比如說它是無人機大隊那它這個回去它要做專長護訓的話那麼它在叫召的時候做專長護訓它要驗證它的無人機的功能 |
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那如果他的這個編制的部隊裡面他沒有相關的無人機但是我們為了要讓每一個人都能夠認識無人機所以還是會有安排無人機的一個課程那詳細的這個講各軍種可能編的時間是不一致的那網路說如果有被叫招過了就會再被抽到沒被叫招過了就不會被抽到這個傳言是真的假的 |
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應該不是,因為我們招訓的這個目的還是要依照我們所要動員的相關的一個專長然後編制的他所需要的相關的 |
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朋友、同學會問說要被召召,奇怪你幾年去召召、幾年去召召,你想我都沒有去召召大家會討論這個,就一個傳言說有被召召過的人,在被召召的機會比較大都不要去召過去,基本上機會比較小這個是你們設定的原則還是怎樣? |
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第一個後退先用後退先補這是一個原則第二個就是原兵歸原位比如說我是戰車駕駛或是戰車車長這個是比較屬於中高專長的 |
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那這種專長的資料水庫裡面可能人比較少所以說他在邊管連線內他可能就會被招到4次但如果說一般步槍兵什麼這種專長很多的那聽起來就是說你如果專長叫別人比較沒工會讓這個人比較少 |
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你希望救到的機會比較大?委員就是說因為我們的目的是要使納入後備的一個後備軍人的恢復他的軍事專長跟部隊協同作戰所以他必須還是要考量他的部隊任務階級他的軍事專長然後跟鞭使的一個需求那作為一個主要的考量我大概理解你們的意思 |
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現在去用教召的人他可以申請當次的教召嘛現在這種申請的比例啊高還是低啊在你們整體教召有到5%嗎?志願申請對,就是說他現在去用教召的時候,哇!我就要出國你教召拜祂,通常我拜祂去報道,我拜祂的基票賺就好了,就是說這一種 |
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申請和免的任務我看了近三年大概2萬出頭平均大概20%左右 |
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你叫100個有20個申請說他有那個原因,就是兵役法的相關規定他可以申請的,有20%的人申請啊?合免他有一個兵役法第43條有一個標準 |
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應該是說他那個講和免的比例他按照殯儀法43條他不是只有出國啦他必須要有幾多原因包括家庭的啦還有相關因 |
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因事出國外的部門的了解是說他必須要在前一年公告的前之前他就有安排出國的這個狀況他不能夠等到說接到這個教育召集之前的令之前那他臨時再安排出國那這個可能會被 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
626.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
635.846 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
會屬於被管制的事項我說現在申請和免的,你剛才20%是什麼意思,20%被准還是你們名冊有100人有20%他就申請過了還是怎麼樣他 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
642.549 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
670.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
那個核免的 你要不要直接那個20%是什麼概念它是以核免比 像說今年度總共有100人被核免其中只有20個人是屬於出國的因素不是說所有的100個人那申請核免的 佔你要徵集的要叫召的大概多少就是統計啊每年就近3年全部核免的總人數大概每年都是2萬出頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
671.789 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
678.979 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
那你們每年招招多少人我們下令是11到12萬12萬分之2萬6分之1 對啦 大概 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
687.998 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
712.736 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
好沒有關係,這個事後你們再釐清,我只是想要了解說被叫招的人,他申請說這一次可不可以不要去嗎?這個比例現在看起來超過百分之十,這樣的一個數字他這裡有一個統計數字,就是說河緬東化重大事故是七千多個那出國大概是五千多個這樣,大概是有一個這樣的一個數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
713.536 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
722.066 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
其他的部分,還有其他各款的情況,有一個詳細的數字統計,如果委員有需要我們再提供 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[0].start |
2026-06-24T09:22:29.230000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[0].end |
2026-06-24T09:22:33.652000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].text |
謝謝主席，我們請顧部長，以及全動署署長。 |
| transcript.gazette[0].quality |
0.765 |
| transcript.gazette[1].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2026-06-24T09:22:33.652000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[1].end |
2026-06-24T09:22:40.073000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].text |
請顧部長，還有全動署署長。 |
| transcript.gazette[1].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-06-24T09:22:40.294000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2026-06-24T09:22:41.274000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].text |
王委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-06-24T09:22:41.274000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2026-06-24T09:22:43.354000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].text |
部長好。 |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-06-24T09:22:43.354000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2026-06-24T09:22:47.756000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].text |
請問教召的名冊是機密嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-06-24T09:22:47.756000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-06-24T09:22:54.218000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].text |
教召的名冊涉及個資，要保護。 |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-06-24T09:22:54.218000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-06-24T09:22:59.161000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].text |
就是現在有誰在被教召，這個是不是機密？ |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-06-24T09:23:01.482000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-06-24T09:23:03.083000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].text |
這應該是屬於公務機密的一部分。 |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-06-24T09:23:03.143000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-06-24T09:23:03.463000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].text |
公務機密嘛！是。 |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-06-24T09:23:03.603000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-06-24T09:23:09.726000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
就是事先不會知道，寄出去之前，不會有人知道嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-06-24T09:23:09.726000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-06-24T09:23:24.517000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].text |
我們是在每一年的12月之後，大概12月25日到1月1日，會在網上公開下一年的……時間。 |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-06-24T09:23:27.239000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-06-24T09:23:31.162000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].text |
流路，那時候就可以查，但只能查自己的。 |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0.688 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-06-24T09:23:32.063000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-06-24T09:23:34.344000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
只能查自己有沒有被教召？ |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-06-24T09:23:34.525000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-06-24T09:23:38.027000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].text |
在哪一個時段會被教召。OK。 |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-06-24T09:23:39.228000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-06-24T09:23:45.173000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
第二個，教召過程中，過去有沒有發現裡面有人去刺探軍情？ |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-06-24T09:23:48.035000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-06-24T09:24:02.471000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
因為一般人不能進去兵營，剛好他這次遇到教召，剛好進來，進來之後，去測繪、去刺探軍情、去看這些文件，有沒有發現過？ |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.583 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-06-24T09:24:06.765000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-06-24T09:24:26.283000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
我們當然要防範滲透的工作，要做好反情報，不過在教召期間手機應該是要納入收繳的範圍，所以在教召期間我們會儘量防堵這樣的狀況發生。 |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.881 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-06-24T09:24:27.123000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-06-24T09:24:29.205000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
好，就是有防堵，但是目前還沒有發現啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-06-24T09:24:32.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-06-24T09:24:38.796000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
教召的期間，我的印象所及，似乎沒有這樣的案例，就我的印象所及。 |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.926 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-06-24T09:24:38.996000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-06-24T09:24:39.877000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
沒有，好，有這樣的機制就好了。 |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-06-24T09:24:40.998000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-06-24T09:24:46.222000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
第三個，我們過去教召歷史上的士兵，最老的是幾歲被教召？士兵。 |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
廖署長建興 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-06-24T09:24:51.686000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-06-24T09:24:56.943000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
就是士兵退伍8年內會被列入教召選充…… |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-06-24T09:24:56.943000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-06-24T09:24:57.943000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
我知道…… |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
廖署長建興 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-06-24T09:24:57.564000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-06-24T09:24:59.965000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
而他除役就是36歲。 |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-06-24T09:25:00.186000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-06-24T09:25:09.493000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
譬如他博士班念完，約三十幾歲，就去當兵，退伍之後，沒多久被教召…… |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.63 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
廖署長建興 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-06-24T09:25:09.493000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-06-24T09:25:11.594000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
他就除役。 |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.25 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-06-24T09:25:11.594000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-06-24T09:25:14.536000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
沒有，我是說他被教召，至於教召，你現在統計起來，最老的是幾歲？ |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-06-24T09:25:18.324000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-06-24T09:25:32.632000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
跟委員報告，士兵除役的年紀是36歲，不管他在哪個時間點服役，服役完，如果過了36歲，他就不會納入教召的範圍。 |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.864 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-06-24T09:25:33.072000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-06-24T09:25:36.894000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
好，所以就是跟大家說，你如果超過36歲…… |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-06-24T09:25:36.894000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-06-24T09:25:38.074000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
在士兵。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-06-24T09:25:39.035000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-06-24T09:25:42.136000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
士兵，你就不可能接到教召，這個是確定了喔！是。 |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.737 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-06-24T09:25:43.877000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-06-24T09:25:45.158000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
OK，如果是官呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-06-24T09:25:45.158000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-06-24T09:25:51.291000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
官應該是…… |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
廖署長建興 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-06-24T09:25:51.291000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-06-24T09:26:03.063000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
除役年齡依階級不一樣，軍官、士官的編管年限，剛剛有報告，就是退伍後12年內，除役就按階級，50到58歲都有。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.829 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-06-24T09:26:06.968000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-06-24T09:26:08.309000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
50到58歲，所以…… |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
廖署長建興 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-06-24T09:26:08.309000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-06-24T09:26:09.970000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
對，看他退伍的階級。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-06-24T09:26:09.970000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-06-24T09:26:15.014000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
OK，所以五十幾歲也有可能被教召就對了。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
廖署長建興 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-06-24T09:26:16.535000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-06-24T09:26:19.878000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
士官長是58歲，校級也是58歲。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-06-24T09:26:21.279000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-06-24T09:26:23.840000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
好，這些資訊因為網路都會傳…… |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-06-24T09:26:23.840000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-06-24T09:26:28.324000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
應該是結合12年加除役，這兩件事情要…… |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-06-24T09:26:29.444000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-06-24T09:26:29.745000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
這個我知道啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-06-24T09:26:29.745000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-06-24T09:26:31.115667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
我是說我們歷史上，你們一定有教召過的名冊，我們歷史上最老的是幾歲被教召？ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.242 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-06-24T09:26:31.115667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-06-24T09:26:32.486333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
沒關係，這個事後有必要再跟外界說明，因為網路上面會一直傳。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-06-24T09:26:32.486333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-06-24T09:26:33.857000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
今天我們要質詢這個議題，我看到網路上有人說，他年紀這麼大了，還被教召。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.29 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-06-24T09:26:33.857000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-06-24T09:26:52.930000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
我是不知道他幾歲，但是他覺得他年紀大了為什麼會被教召。 |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.88 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-06-24T09:26:53.811000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-06-24T09:26:57.435000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
他有可能讀博士班，讀到年紀比較大，當完兵後，也有可能還沒到…… |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.538 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-06-24T09:26:58.796000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-06-24T09:27:20.287000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
不過我們現在在政策上還是採後退先召，就是原則上還是先召剛退伍的，因為我們要恢復即戰力，這是我們的政策目標，政策目標採原兵歸原位的話，還是希望以後退的先召這樣的原則在做。 |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-06-24T09:27:20.607000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-06-24T09:27:27.189000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
在現在我們各級學校，包含國小、國中、高中、大學的老師會不會被教召？ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.643 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-06-24T09:27:28.669000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-06-24T09:27:30.970000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
老師是不納入…… |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
廖署長建興 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-06-24T09:27:32.830000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-06-24T09:27:34.371000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
他是緩除禁召的對象。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-06-24T09:27:36.090000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-06-24T09:27:36.350000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
什麼意思？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
廖署長建興 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-06-24T09:27:37.892000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-06-24T09:27:38.352000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
緩就是緩召…… |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
薛參謀長淵銓 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-06-24T09:27:40.254000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-06-24T09:27:54.615000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
學校的人事部門在他在校的時候必須要幫他辦理，包含專科三年級以前，還有所有國中、國小以及高中老師都會列入這個緩召的範圍，他就不會…… |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.763 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-06-24T09:27:54.615000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-06-24T09:28:01.579000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
就是學校會幫忙申請，所以他就不會在你們要教召的名冊裡頭？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.885 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
薛參謀長淵銓 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-06-24T09:28:01.579000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-06-24T09:28:02.579000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
是，學校要幫忙他做。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-06-24T09:28:01.779000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-06-24T09:28:14.946000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
你們有提出一個原則叫原兵歸原位，他本來是什麼兵種的就去那裡，請問無人機這件事情是幾乎所有現在被教召回去的兵種都會摸到無人機嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.783 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-06-24T09:28:16.903000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-06-24T09:28:21.946000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
對，現在14天新式的教召都會有無人機的基礎訓練。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-06-24T09:28:21.946000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-06-24T09:28:24.587000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
差不多上幾個小時的課？ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
廖署長建興 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-06-24T09:28:24.587000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-06-24T09:28:24.727000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
2個小時。 |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-06-24T09:28:24.727000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-06-24T09:28:24.808000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
2個小時喔？ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
廖署長建興 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-06-24T09:28:24.808000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-06-24T09:28:24.948000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
對，2個小時。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-06-24T09:28:26.308000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-06-24T09:28:29.990000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
用2個小時介紹無人機跟遙控飛機的不同就差不多了，他們有沒有操作啊？ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
廖署長建興 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-06-24T09:28:30.310000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-06-24T09:28:30.611000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
有，有操作。 |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-06-24T09:28:30.691000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-06-24T09:28:31.411000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
2個小時他就有辦法操作？ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
廖署長建興 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-06-24T09:28:46.383000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-06-24T09:28:50.627000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
基礎訓練。 |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-06-24T09:28:50.627000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-06-24T09:28:51.627000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
基礎訓練？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-06-24T09:28:50.627000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-06-24T09:29:28.068000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
跟委員報告，我覺得這個要分成兩個概念，一個是他本身部隊的編制武器，比如說他是無人機大隊，那他回去教召要做專長複訓的話，他要驗證無人機的操作功能，如果他的編制部隊裡面沒有相關的無人機，但是我們為了要讓每一個人都能夠認識無人機，所以還是會安排無人機的課程，詳細的各軍種編的時間可能是不一致的。 |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.881 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-06-24T09:29:29.649000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-06-24T09:29:37.611000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
網路上說，如果有被教召過的就會再被抽到，沒被教召過的就不會被抽到，這個傳言是真的假的？ |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.821 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-06-24T09:29:39.667000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-06-24T09:29:50.952000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
應該不是，因為我們召訓的目的還是要依照我們所要動員的相關專長以及編制。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-06-24T09:29:54.694000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-06-24T09:30:08.725000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
我知道，但就是朋友、同學間會問，說「奇怪，你去年被教召，今年又被教召，像我就都沒被教召」，大家會討論這個話題，就有一個傳言說有被教召過的人再被教召的機會比較大，都沒被教召過的，基本上機會比較小，這個是你們設定的原則還是怎樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.704 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
廖署長建興 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-06-24T09:30:17.523000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-06-24T09:30:23.066000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
報告委員，跟您說明一下，第一個是後退先用、後退先補，這是一個原則。 |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.607 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
廖署長建興 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-06-24T09:30:23.066000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-06-24T09:30:43.974000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
第二個就是原兵歸原位，比如說我是戰車駕駛或是戰車車長，這個是比較屬於中高專長的，這種專長的水庫裡面可能人比較少，所以在編管年限內他可能就會被召到4次，但如果像是一般步槍兵，有這種專長的人很多的…… |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.899 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-06-24T09:30:44.694000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-06-24T09:30:53.277000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
這樣聽起來就是說，你的專長如果跟別人不一樣，會這個的人比較少，你被教召到的機會就比較大。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.65 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-06-24T09:30:55.538000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-06-24T09:31:15.951000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
委員，因為我們的目的是要使納入後備的軍人恢復他的軍事專長，跟部隊協同作戰，所以還是要考量他的部隊任務、階級、軍事專長跟編實的需求，作為主要的考量。 |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.97 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-06-24T09:31:16.232000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-06-24T09:31:18.013000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
好，這個我大概理解你們的意思。 |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-06-24T09:31:18.793000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-06-24T09:31:32.865000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
現在去教召的人可以申請免除當次的教召，現在這種申請的比例高還是低，在整體教召裡有到5%嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.927 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-06-24T09:31:34.566000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-06-24T09:31:46.841000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
就是說他現在被教召，但有時候他剛好要出國，你通知我要去教召，星期一去報到，但我星期二的機票早就買好了，就是這一種申請這一次不要…… |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0.534 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
廖署長建興 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-06-24T09:31:47.162000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-06-24T09:31:51.549000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
申請核免的，近三年大概兩萬出頭，平均大概20%左右。 |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.81 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-06-24T09:31:58.534000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-06-24T09:32:06.842000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
你們教召100個，有20個依照兵役法的相關規定是可以申請的，有20%的人申請啊？ |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
廖署長建興 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-06-24T09:32:08.583000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-06-24T09:32:11.586000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
核免依據兵役法第四十三條有一個規定。 |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0.353 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-06-24T09:32:11.586000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-06-24T09:32:11.746000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
你們有一個標準，我知道。 |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-06-24T09:32:15.890000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2026-06-24T09:32:23.837000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
那個是核免的比例，按照兵役法第四十三條，他不是只有出國，必須要有許多原因，包括…… |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0.743 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-06-24T09:32:23.837000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2026-06-24T09:32:25.739000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
我知道，還有家庭的、生病的嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0.25 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-06-24T09:32:25.739000+08:00 |
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還有家庭、因事出國等，因事出國的部分，據我的了解是他必須要在前一年、在公告之前就有安排出國的狀況，他不能夠等到接到教育召集令之前才臨時再安排出國，這個可能會屬於被管制的事項。 |
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王委員義川 |
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2026-06-24T09:32:55.061000+08:00 |
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2026-06-24T09:32:59.363000+08:00 |
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我知道，我是說現在申請核免的比例，你剛剛說的20%是什麼意思？ |
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王委員義川 |
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2026-06-24T09:33:00.124000+08:00 |
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2026-06-24T09:33:02.825000+08:00 |
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20%被准，還是你們名冊有100人，有20%申請過了，還是怎麼樣？ |
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王委員義川 |
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2026-06-24T09:33:12.330000+08:00 |
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2026-06-24T09:33:12.950000+08:00 |
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那個20%是什麼概念？ |
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薛參謀長淵銓 |
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2026-06-24T09:33:14.311000+08:00 |
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2026-06-24T09:33:22.554000+08:00 |
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比如說今年度總共有100人被核免，其中只有20個人是屬於出國的因素，不是說所有的100個…… |
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王委員義川 |
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2026-06-24T09:33:22.754000+08:00 |
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2026-06-24T09:33:26.596000+08:00 |
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好，那申請核免的占你要徵集、要教召的大概多少？ |
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廖署長建興 |
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2026-06-24T09:33:30.258000+08:00 |
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2026-06-24T09:33:37.020000+08:00 |
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近三年統計全部核免的總人數，大概每年都是兩萬出頭。 |
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王委員義川 |
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2026-06-24T09:33:38.929000+08:00 |
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2026-06-24T09:33:41.332000+08:00 |
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你們每年教召多少人？ |
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廖署長建興 |
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2026-06-24T09:33:42.874000+08:00 |
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2026-06-24T09:33:45.037000+08:00 |
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我們下令是11到12萬。 |
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王委員義川 |
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2026-06-24T09:33:45.037000+08:00 |
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2026-06-24T09:33:45.658000+08:00 |
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十二萬分之兩萬，大概是六分之一，對吧？對…… |
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王委員義川 |
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2026-06-24T09:33:55.138000+08:00 |
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2026-06-24T09:34:06.246000+08:00 |
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沒有關係，這個事後你們再釐清，我只是想要了解被教召的人申請這一次可不可以不要去的比例，這個比例現在看起來應該超過10%…… |
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顧部長立雄 |
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2026-06-24T09:34:10.629000+08:00 |
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2026-06-24T09:34:29.046000+08:00 |
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他這裡有一個統計數字，核免的部分，重大事故是七千多個，出國大概是五千多個，大概有這樣的數字，其他的部分還有其他各款的情況有一個詳細的數字統計，如果委員有需要我們事後再提供。 |
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王委員義川 |
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2026-06-24T09:34:29.546000+08:00 |
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2026-06-24T09:34:30.974571+08:00 |
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好，謝謝。謝謝。 |
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主席 |
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2026-06-24T09:34:31.274571+08:00 |
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2026-06-24T09:34:34.988857+08:00 |
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接下來請羅美玲委員上臺質詢。 |
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王委員義川：（9時22分）謝謝主席，我們請顧部長，以及全動署署長。 |
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主席：請顧部長，還有全動署署長。 |
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顧部長立雄：王委員好。 |
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王委員義川：部長好。請問教召的名冊是機密嗎？ |
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顧部長立雄：教召的名冊涉及個資，要保護。 |
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王委員義川：就是現在有誰在被教召，這個是不是機密？ |
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顧部長立雄：這應該是屬於公務機密的一部分。 |
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王委員義川：公務機密嘛！ |
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顧部長立雄：是。 |
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王委員義川：就是事先不會知道，寄出去之前，不會有人知道嗎？ |
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顧部長立雄：我們是在每一年的12月之後，大概12月25日到1月1日，會在網上公開下一年的…… |
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王委員義川：時間。 |
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顧部長立雄：流路，那時候就可以查，但只能查自己的。 |
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王委員義川：只能查自己有沒有被教召？ |
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顧部長立雄：在哪一個時段會被教召。 |
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王委員義川：OK。第二個，教召過程中，過去有沒有發現裡面有人去刺探軍情？因為一般人不能進去兵營，剛好他這次遇到教召，剛好進來，進來之後，去測繪、去刺探軍情、去看這些文件，有沒有發現過？ |
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顧部長立雄：我們當然要防範滲透的工作，要做好反情報，不過在教召期間手機應該是要納入收繳的範圍，所以在教召期間我們會儘量防堵這樣的狀況發生。 |
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王委員義川：好，就是有防堵，但是目前還沒有發現啦！ |
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顧部長立雄：教召的期間，我的印象所及，似乎沒有這樣的案例，就我的印象所及。 |
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王委員義川：沒有，好，有這樣的機制就好了。第三個，我們過去教召歷史上的士兵，最老的是幾歲被教召？士兵。 |
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廖署長建興：就是士兵退伍8年內會被列入教召選充…… |
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王委員義川：我知道…… |
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廖署長建興：而他除役就是36歲。 |
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王委員義川：譬如他博士班念完，約三十幾歲，就去當兵，退伍之後，沒多久被教召…… |
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廖署長建興：他就除役。 |
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王委員義川：沒有，我是說他被教召，至於教召，你現在統計起來，最老的是幾歲？ |
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顧部長立雄：跟委員報告，士兵除役的年紀是36歲，不管他在哪個時間點服役，服役完，如果過了36歲，他就不會納入教召的範圍。 |
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王委員義川：好，所以就是跟大家說，你如果超過36歲…… |
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顧部長立雄：在士兵。 |
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王委員義川：士兵，你就不可能接到教召，這個是確定了喔！ |
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顧部長立雄：是。 |
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王委員義川：OK，如果是官呢？ |
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顧部長立雄：官應該是…… |
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廖署長建興：除役年齡依階級不一樣，軍官、士官的編管年限，剛剛有報告，就是退伍後12年內，除役就按階級，50到58歲都有。 |
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王委員義川：50到58歲，所以…… |
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廖署長建興：對，看他退伍的階級。 |
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王委員義川：OK，所以五十幾歲也有可能被教召就對了。 |
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廖署長建興：士官長是58歲，校級也是58歲。 |
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王委員義川：好，這些資訊因為網路都會傳…… |
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顧部長立雄：應該是結合12年加除役，這兩件事情要…… |
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王委員義川：這個我知道啦！我是說我們歷史上，你們一定有教召過的名冊，我們歷史上最老的是幾歲被教召？沒關係，這個事後有必要再跟外界說明，因為網路上面會一直傳。今天我們要質詢這個議題，我看到網路上有人說，他年紀這麼大了，還被教召。我是不知道他幾歲，但是他覺得他年紀大了為什麼會被教召。他有可能讀博士班，讀到年紀比較大，當完兵後，也有可能還沒到…… |
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顧部長立雄：不過我們現在在政策上還是採後退先召，就是原則上還是先召剛退伍的，因為我們要恢復即戰力，這是我們的政策目標，政策目標採原兵歸原位的話，還是希望以後退的先召這樣的原則在做。 |
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王委員義川：在現在我們各級學校，包含國小、國中、高中、大學的老師會不會被教召？ |
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顧部長立雄：老師是不納入…… |
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廖署長建興：他是緩除禁召的對象。 |
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王委員義川：什麼意思？ |
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廖署長建興：緩就是緩召…… |
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薛參謀長淵銓：學校的人事部門在他在校的時候必須要幫他辦理，包含專科三年級以前，還有所有國中、國小以及高中老師都會列入這個緩召的範圍，他就不會…… |
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王委員義川：就是學校會幫忙申請，所以他就不會在你們要教召的名冊裡頭？ |
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薛參謀長淵銓：是，學校要幫忙他做。 |
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王委員義川：你們有提出一個原則叫原兵歸原位，他本來是什麼兵種的就去那裡，請問無人機這件事情是幾乎所有現在被教召回去的兵種都會摸到無人機嗎？ |
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顧部長立雄：對，現在14天新式的教召都會有無人機的基礎訓練。 |
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王委員義川：差不多上幾個小時的課？ |
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廖署長建興：2個小時。 |
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王委員義川：2個小時喔？ |
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廖署長建興：對，2個小時。 |
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王委員義川：用2個小時介紹無人機跟遙控飛機的不同就差不多了，他們有沒有操作啊？ |
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廖署長建興：有，有操作。 |
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王委員義川：2個小時他就有辦法操作？ |
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廖署長建興：基礎訓練。 |
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王委員義川：基礎訓練？ |
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廖署長建興：是。 |
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顧部長立雄：跟委員報告，我覺得這個要分成兩個概念，一個是他本身部隊的編制武器，比如說他是無人機大隊，那他回去教召要做專長複訓的話，他要驗證無人機的操作功能，如果他的編制部隊裡面沒有相關的無人機，但是我們為了要讓每一個人都能夠認識無人機，所以還是會安排無人機的課程，詳細的各軍種編的時間可能是不一致的。 |
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王委員義川：網路上說，如果有被教召過的就會再被抽到，沒被教召過的就不會被抽到，這個傳言是真的假的？ |
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顧部長立雄：應該不是，因為我們召訓的目的還是要依照我們所要動員的相關專長以及編制。 |
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王委員義川：我知道，但就是朋友、同學間會問，說「奇怪，你去年被教召，今年又被教召，像我就都沒被教召」，大家會討論這個話題，就有一個傳言說有被教召過的人再被教召的機會比較大，都沒被教召過的，基本上機會比較小，這個是你們設定的原則還是怎樣？ |
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廖署長建興：報告委員，跟您說明一下，第一個是後退先用、後退先補，這是一個原則。第二個就是原兵歸原位，比如說我是戰車駕駛或是戰車車長，這個是比較屬於中高專長的，這種專長的水庫裡面可能人比較少，所以在編管年限內他可能就會被召到4次，但如果像是一般步槍兵，有這種專長的人很多的…… |
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王委員義川：這樣聽起來就是說，你的專長如果跟別人不一樣，會這個的人比較少，你被教召到的機會就比較大。 |
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顧部長立雄：委員，因為我們的目的是要使納入後備的軍人恢復他的軍事專長，跟部隊協同作戰，所以還是要考量他的部隊任務、階級、軍事專長跟編實的需求，作為主要的考量。 |
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王委員義川：好，這個我大概理解你們的意思。 |
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現在去教召的人可以申請免除當次的教召，現在這種申請的比例高還是低，在整體教召裡有到5%嗎？就是說他現在被教召，但有時候他剛好要出國，你通知我要去教召，星期一去報到，但我星期二的機票早就買好了，就是這一種申請這一次不要…… |
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廖署長建興：申請核免的，近三年大概兩萬出頭，平均大概20%左右。 |
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王委員義川：你們教召100個，有20個依照兵役法的相關規定是可以申請的，有20%的人申請啊？ |
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廖署長建興：核免依據兵役法第四十三條有一個規定。 |
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王委員義川：你們有一個標準，我知道。 |
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顧部長立雄：那個是核免的比例，按照兵役法第四十三條，他不是只有出國，必須要有許多原因，包括…… |
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王委員義川：我知道，還有家庭的、生病的嘛！ |
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顧部長立雄：還有家庭、因事出國等，因事出國的部分，據我的了解是他必須要在前一年、在公告之前就有安排出國的狀況，他不能夠等到接到教育召集令之前才臨時再安排出國，這個可能會屬於被管制的事項。 |
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王委員義川：我知道，我是說現在申請核免的比例，你剛剛說的20%是什麼意思？20%被准，還是你們名冊有100人，有20%申請過了，還是怎麼樣？那個20%是什麼概念？ |
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薛參謀長淵銓：比如說今年度總共有100人被核免，其中只有20個人是屬於出國的因素，不是說所有的100個…… |
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王委員義川：好，那申請核免的占你要徵集、要教召的大概多少？ |
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廖署長建興：近三年統計全部核免的總人數，大概每年都是兩萬出頭。 |
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王委員義川：你們每年教召多少人？ |
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廖署長建興：我們下令是11到12萬。 |
| gazette.blocks[83][0] |
王委員義川：十二萬分之兩萬，大概是六分之一，對吧？ |
| gazette.blocks[84][0] |
廖署長建興：對…… |
| gazette.blocks[85][0] |
王委員義川：沒有關係，這個事後你們再釐清，我只是想要了解被教召的人申請這一次可不可以不要去的比例，這個比例現在看起來應該超過10%…… |
| gazette.blocks[86][0] |
顧部長立雄：他這裡有一個統計數字，核免的部分，重大事故是七千多個，出國大概是五千多個，大概有這樣的數字，其他的部分還有其他各款的情況有一個詳細的數字統計，如果委員有需要我們事後再提供。 |
| gazette.blocks[87][0] |
王委員義川：好，謝謝。 |
| gazette.blocks[88][0] |
主席：謝謝。接下來請羅美玲委員上臺質詢。 |
| gazette.agenda.page_end |
174 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
委員會-11-5-35-23 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[0] |
馬文君 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
王義川 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
羅美玲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
陳永康 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
陳俊宇 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
王定宇 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
沈伯洋 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
王安祥 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
牛煦庭 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
王鴻薇 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
黃仁 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
林楚茵 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
黃建賓 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
徐巧芯 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
陳冠廷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
鍾佳濱 |
| gazette.agenda.page_start |
127 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2026-06-24 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
1155501 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[0] |
1155501_00005 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第23次全體委員會議紀錄 |
| gazette.agenda.content |
邀請國防部部長顧立雄報告「教召制度公平性、後備軍人實戰化施訓成效與女性召訓配套措
施」，並備質詢 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_id |
1155501_00004 |