| IVOD_ID |
170081 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170081 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-5-22,26-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-18T14:36:32+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-18T14:49:11+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:39 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ac5d42f4fd98837a5d55b8f5d1adddd7552618e67150a9fc237d1a692fe09bd0315cf85df7fa038c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:36:32 - 14:49:11 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：一、審查
(一)委員蘇清泉等20人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第三十七條條文修正草案」案。
(二)委員徐欣瑩等20人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(三)委員林月琴等16人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第三十條條文修正草案」案。
(四)委員王育敏等21人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法部分條文修正草案」案。
(五)委員陳培瑜等18人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第十一條、第十二條及第三十二條之一條文修正草案」案。
(六)委員徐巧芯等21人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(七)委員葉元之等17人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(八)委員黃仁等19人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(九)委員張嘉郡等19人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(十)委員羅廷瑋等22人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(十一)台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(十二)委員羅智強等17人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(十三)委員鄭正鈐等17人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(十四)委員林倩綺等23人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(十五)委員廖先翔等16人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(十六)委員王育敏等23人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(十七)委員王育敏等21人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第四十三條及第五十二條條文修正 草案」案。
(十八)委員廖偉翔等23人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(十九)委員葛如鈞等18人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(二十)委員李彥秀等19人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
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謝謝主席 有請部長有請部長委員好部長好 端午節快樂現在外面大雷雨 大家辛苦了今天非常謝謝羅昭偉安排了又照法的一個詢答因為我自己來自教育界 |
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我很清楚知道我們的法案名稱叫幼兒教育及照顧法所以它首重的是提供士林的一個教保服務幫助我們的幼兒能夠身心健全發展受到最好的照顧部長是這樣嗎是 |
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那部長我跟您說我不要講太遠因為我們做民意代表其實接受陳情是日常但是呢今年的大年初一請您看一下這張照片這是大年初一的一大早 |
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我呢去了一個我沒有去過的不認識的一個家庭對著那四個孩子送禮物給他們給他們發紅包然後呢為他的爸爸媽媽我在那個地方示範要怎麼帶小孩爸爸媽媽看了好開心覺得自己的孩子好聰明那我要跟部長講這就是我接受的陳情 |
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為什麼呢因為寒假的時候您都知道學校會做課後照顧有一個幼兒園的園長陳琴他跟我講說委員你可不可以重視一下這個情形他說這個樣的情形越來越嚴重他說自從發了育兒津貼之後有很多孩子該去上學讀書了父母不給他上學 |
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那因為我已經離這個年代很遠了所以我問他說為什麼他說因為爸爸媽媽捨不得育兒津貼所以捨不得給孩子去上學我說育兒津貼很多嗎但是他說父母很需要那是發生什麼事情呢這個最小的弟弟啊 |
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因為姐姐哥哥都讀國小了剩下他一個人在家裡所以呢他每天要走三四十分鐘自己走到學校在那邊等哥哥姐姐放學等放學之後再開開心心的跟哥哥姐姐一起回家那這個幼兒園園長看不下去要請他進來教室一起上課小朋友也不要也不敢 |
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那他問我怎麼辦我說法的事情先擱一邊我們以實際的行動去關心所以呢我在大年初一特別帶著紅包一人兩百塊帶著禮盒我去他們家拜年我說我也是校長我說你們的小朋友好可愛他也不知道我是立法委員我在那個地方餵他的四個小孩子 |
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在那個地方做示範教學你看看園長告訴我六月的時候好消息立委前去關懷的孩子今天來六兒園報名了因為他的爸爸媽媽知道受教育很重要但是這件事情是在去年的四月園長就有跟社會處反應但是都沒有獲得合理的回應部長你知道為什麼嗎 |
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因為學前教育不是義務教育無法可管就算爸爸媽媽為了領育而今天他不願意讓小孩子去上學無法可管因為不是義務教育這個你應該很清楚所以為什麼我這樣子講我覺得我們很關心的 你看在另外一篇 你看 |
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我常常接你看又是為了領補助你看學校老師告訴我發展遲緩兒可是家長要的都是育兒津貼所以我蠻難過的甚至很多人還吵著有的陳情說我們為了要領育兒津貼逼學校開離園證名單好所以我想請教一下部長我們現在來看一下全國的教保服務機構的數量 |
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這是我跟國教署所知公立幼兒園2429間佔比是35.2%非營利的419間準公共的2096間也就是30.4%私立的1803間也就是26.1% |
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職場的互助教保中心134間原住民的部落互助教保中心14間為什麼我要這樣子講我想要請教一下我看到115年的預算中心這個地方你看看從108年109年110年111年一直到114年我們看一下 |
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公立幼兒園他被裁罰的比例非營利的比例私立的比例私立108年被裁罰是98.59%109年99.35%甚至有同一年度同一個違規事項被裁罰三次以上 |
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我要說的其實我不是那個我真的很願意為了讓父母願意生孩子養得起孩子真的一萬五我都覺得可以我不是在講這個我是在講我們幼兒教育及照顧的目的是為了讓每一個孩子能夠獲得應得的教保服務讓我們國家的未來主人翁能夠健全的發展 |
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所以我看到那些需要早療的孩子身心障礙的孩子這幾年毀了毀了好多孩子都在家 |
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我非常的傷心這個問題我已經是呼籲很多次也很多的學校老師在反映這件事情但是因為他不是義務教育我們也不知道該怎麼辦所以這個部分我希望我們能夠去思考我們各個性質幼兒園的比例我們公共量能的目標我看到目前呢是來到 |
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64%這個跟國際上這些OECD的這些國家相比呢是相同的水準甚至是更高的水準所以我們目前我們到底是要做什麼我覺得很多的事情更需要我就一問一答好了舉個例子假設我們真的在 |
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幼兒照顧法第7條去修正我先講我沒有反對其實這些幼教團體也有來辦公室跟我我很支持我真的覺得養孩子很辛苦現在物價高漲我沒有反對但是我在意的是我請教一下如果這邊改寫說接受私立幼兒園服務者每位幼兒每月補助不得低於新台幣15000元我請教一下這一些接受私立幼兒園服務的補助 |
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是中央買單還是地方買單中央跟地方一起共同分擔所以會面臨到地方的態度對不對那給誰呢是直接給學校還是給父母 |
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因為我們撈不到他去讀公立幼兒園準公共還有這些所謂的非營利他只要撈不到他就認定他就是一萬五要入帳對不對 |
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所以他沒有就學也是被認定一萬五入帳好所以現在當我們變成一萬五的時候我擔憂的是什麼我贊成但是配套做事要做好你看看目前的公幼因為政府直接入五千假設是第一胎五千可能家長還會自付一千塊 |
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但是一旦變成政府是一萬五補助的時候家長都不用付了嘛對不對好那非營利呢如果他自付一般來講是自付兩千元準公用自付三千元一般來講是這樣那如果我們補助到一萬五的時候部長你應該可以想像的到我們的公用非營利準公用會怎麼樣 |
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因為你也就是補助五千啊 不用繳錢啊但是他知道如果他不讀或去私立 他有一萬五我們這些公幼 非營利準公幼會怎麼樣我最起碼可以想像 準公幼一定會趕快回到私立幼兒園那家長的心態呢 |
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所以我希望說教育部不要落入我們是存好心要做好事結果反而是存好心最後變成對幼兒不利這個是我必須要提醒的地方因為我在教育現場看到就是這個樣子那我特別同情的是當我們越來越多的育兒今天我的原住民的這些幼兒很可憐啊 |
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因為部落除了學校的公立幼兒園或者是鄉公所一鄉一個幼兒園很多部落是根本沒有幼兒園也沒有什麼所謂的准公共頂多這幾年有一個叫做部落托育班可是這個部落托育班我剛剛有講了全國推動十幾年二十年就十四間部長你知道原因是什麼嗎 |
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找不到公共空間找不到政府願意補助找不到公共空間所以當外面都這樣的時候 |
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有沒有人想到原偏鄉的幼兒怎麼辦我們反而是希望拜託教育部國教署政府應該大量的投資蓋這一些公共空間讓我們可以辦文化健康站照顧老人讓我們可以辦幼托機構照顧我們的孩子這樣子才對不是嗎我寧可大家把錢應該要往這個地方去原偏鄉的孩子受的教育不好是拖垮整個國家 |
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所以我一直希望說一個國家的韌性就是在於看他最脆弱的那個環夠不夠有韌性所以不能棄守原偏鄉我希望政府要關注這個問題投入更多所以包括一些弱勢的問題我都很像我們的生長權法我們的特教法這一些身心障礙的孩子都沒有寫到幼兒的部分 |
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或者是我們的中等以下特教無障礙設施設置要點也沒有寫到幼兒園我們的很多法令都沒有針對這些身心障礙的幼兒他的衛生設備的規範去做 |
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謝謝吳昭偉 |