| IVOD_ID |
17006 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17006 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-23-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-05T08:33:16+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-05T11:56:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:22:44 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/f826c2e4afc302dd16bff821a9cb407d1db55c1e05b5a14c83051bafb051454b3bd95fc2c97a377b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期交通委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查(一)行政院函請審議、(二)委員王美惠等20人、(三)委員李坤城等18人、(四)委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人、(五)委員羅美玲等19人、(六)委員黃捷等21人、(七)委員邱鎮軍等21人、(八)委員吳沛憶等16人、(九)委員林楚茵等17人、(十)委員沈伯洋等18人、(十一)委員蔡易餘等17人、(十二)委員郭昱晴等16人分別擬具「電信管理法第七十二條條文修正草案」案及(十三)委員林宜瑾等22人擬具「電信管理法增訂第七十二條之二條文草案」案。
二、審查(一)行政院函請審議、(二)委員王美惠等19人、(三)委員李坤城等17人、(四)委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人、(五)委員黃捷等22人、(六)委員吳沛憶等16人、(七)委員林楚茵等17人、(八)委員沈伯洋等18人、(九)委員蔡易餘等16人及(十)委員郭昱晴等16人分別擬具「氣象法第二十一條之一條文修正草案」案。
三、審查(一)行政院函請審議、(二)委員王美惠等20人、(三)委員李坤城等18人、(四)委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人、(五)委員羅美玲等19人、(六)委員黃捷等22人、(七)委員邱鎮軍等23人、(八)委員吳沛憶等16人、(九)委員林楚茵等17人、(十)委員沈伯洋等19人、(十一)委員蔡易餘等16人及(十二)委員郭昱晴等16人分別擬具「商港法第十五條及第六十五條之四條文修正草案」案。
四、審查(一)行政院函請審議、(二)委員蔡其昌等22人、(三)委員王美惠等21人、(四)委員李坤城等18人、(五)委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人、(六)委員黃捷等16人、(七)委員徐富癸等16人、(八)委員吳沛憶等16人、(九)委員林楚茵等17人、(十)委員沈伯洋等19人、(十一)委員蔡易餘等17人、(十二)委員郭昱晴等16人分別擬具「船舶法部分條文修正草案」案及(十三)委員蘇巧慧等18人擬具「船舶法第八條及第八十九條條文修正草案」案。
【本日會議僅進行詢答；開會事由一第(九)至(十二)案、開會事由二第(七)至(十)案、開會事由三第(九)至(十二)案及開會事由四第(九)至(十二)案如經院會復議，則不予審查】
【11月3日及5日二天一次會】） |
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MING PAO CANADA MING PAO TORONTO |
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MING PAO CANADA // MING PAO TORONTO |
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繼續開會本日會議進行審查依電信管理法修正草案等13案七項法修正草案等10案三港法修正草案等12案傳播法修正草案等13案現在介紹列席委員 |
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洪孟凱召委苏巧慧委员沈伯扬委员先来介绍列席官员抒发部林毅进部长任性建设师牛杏仁师长数位策略师蔡授权蔡授权师长不好意思 |
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法治處張學文處長國家自動安全研究院林英達院長交通部陳世凱部長行政司韓正法司長氣象署呂國成署長航港局葉協榮局長國家通訊傳播委員會黃文哲主秘 |
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好 以下簡略現在請提案委員進行提案要旨說明我們現在請沈博洋委員做提案說明這邊 這邊 |
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謝謝昭偉那我簡單做一下提案說明因為這次是七法那上次在這個經濟委員會我們已經也做過了說明那這邊其實因為經濟委員會的那一個這邊那邊的修正跟這邊的修正理論上要一致所以我就是簡單做提案說明大概有幾點 |
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第一点就是这个过失的刑责我在那边的时候是主张因为我们在故意的刑责是一到七所以我们是希望过失的刑责能够变成一年以下比较能够衔接那为什么呢是因为在刑法的设计上面虽然这个故意跟过失常常会有刑度上比较大的差距但因为在这一个海揽割断这件事情里面很容易就是没有故意大部分都会丢到过失所以过失的刑会变比较多 |
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所以過失之前都是設計六個月以下我們希望這邊是一年以下罰金要提高但是這個也會有另外一個隱憂這個隱憂就是反正到最後大家討論我們並沒有堅持就是因為有時候過失可能是工程的人員又或者是漁民如果設計過高的話會不會產生一種他們對於這些情勢以後會覺得說有過大的責任加在他們身上這也是要考量的情形 |
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那第二個就是呢因為呢這個其他非法方法當時在電信法在修法的時候這個詞說真的只放在故意沒有人放在過失那在整部這個中華民國的法律裡面從來沒有把它放在過失裡面那因為以前電信法有放過那因為這一次海南七法都抄了那一個的文字所以就變成每一個的過失裡面都有其他非法方法這個在文字上面會有點不合啦但是你有沒有拿掉其實對於食物的運作是沒有什麼差別 |
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所以我們提案是認為說那幾個字不一定要留在那一邊就是其他非法方法在過失的部分不一定有必要要留著那最後就是傳播法那個海域那我們也跟這個海巡確認過就是那個領海界線以內那個名字有點繞口那看一下要不要做一些這個簡單的修正所以大概我就做提案說別到這邊謝謝趙偉 謝謝現在請蘇巧惠委員 |
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1855.066 |
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1877.977 |
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好 謝謝主席本席將對這個傳播法第8條及89條的修正草案提案說明因為台灣近年連接連發生外國傳播在領海內為常滯留甚至破壞我國海底通訊電纜導致離島通訊中斷本島通訊受阻等情形嚴重影響民生經濟及國家安全 |
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1900.812 |
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現行傳播法對非中華民國傳播之行為僅限於港灣停泊規範其他法規如中華民國領海及領階區法並未明定其與我國領海內滯留或非無害通過時執法機關得採取之行政作為造成執法機關執法困難以及無法可罰的困境 |
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1917.242 |
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本次修法主要在於補足現行法制之不足增訂明確規範非中華民國傳播除特許或無害通過外不得在我國領海滯留並授權主管機關得命其立即離境處以罰緩必要時得強制驅離或沒入傳播 |
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1921.764 |
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1935.912 |
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透過本次修正希望能強化我國領海航行管理保護海底電纜等關鍵基礎設施安全確保國家主權與海域安全不再受到威脅也懇請各位立委同仁支持現在請林楚英委員提案說明 |
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1953.474 |
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1963.641 |
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謝謝主席還有各位立法院同仁以及出席的官員 近年來我國海底電纜屢遭惡意破壞 今年的一月 順興三十九號在基隆港外海 |
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1965.233 |
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1992.883 |
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脫斷了我們的國際通訊海欄而2月又發生了紅太58在台南北門外海脫斷台澎通訊電纜兩艘都是中資背景的權宜輪這些蓄意破壞的行為不僅衝擊了我國連外通訊更可能涉及中國灰色地帶的侵擾行動已經嚴重危害到了我們的國家安全我想這個部分是全體國人現在都非常有共識的 |
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1993.763 |
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那麼為了因應中國船舶破壞海纜的事件立法院其實是在112年就已經修正了電信管理法將保護範圍從國際海纜登陸站擴大到國內海纜機房跟纜線同時加重了相關的法則然而對於犯罪用的船舶或是其他工具的保管問題則缺乏明確的法源依據 |
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所以本席提案修正電信管理法的第72條明定犯罪工具的沒收及處置規定只要是用於故意危害海嵐設施的工具或是船舶不論是否屬於犯罪行為人所有一律沒收經判決確定後可以依個案情節予以拍賣 |
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變賣無償供流供用廢棄或做其他適當的處置這一項的修正不僅能解決犯罪傳播的保管問題更能強化嚇阻效果展現我國捍衛基礎建設的決心懇請各位委員支持這一項修法我們共同來守護我國通訊安全與國家安全謝謝 |
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主席各位委員大家好感謝今天給我這個機會來向大家報告電信管理法第72條修正草案也非常期待各位委員給予寶貴的指導 |
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首先,臺灣是個海島型國家,對於國際及島際間的通訊仰賴海底電纜,其重要性就如同我們的數位生命線。然而,近年國際局勢緊張,灰色地帶衝突增多,海嵐被惡意破壞的情況屢屢發生,像去年2004年波羅的海事件,以及今年我國海嵐遭受全伊倫破壞事件, |
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再再凸顯強化海欄防護能量的重要性以及急迫性根據國安單位的統計台灣周遭的海欄平均每年發生七到八次的斷纜障礙其中大約八成是人為造成的包括魚撈作業船苗鉤損導致因此我們對於海欄的安全防護思維必須滾動調整未雨綢繆做好萬全的準備才能確保通訊不中斷訊息不落空 |
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對於提升通訊海欄的任性本部分別從三個方面來著手就是事前的監控與預防以及事中的迅速處理以及事後的究責以及 |
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那個以及改進首先在事前方面我們在法制面我們修法加重破壞海嵐的刑責我們在112年已經修訂了電信管理法第72條第72條之一的規定在行政面我們已經報請行政院將海嵐列入關鍵基礎設施並督促海嵐業者擬定及落實防護計畫與演練 |
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再來 我們補助新建海欄及微波等一直網路我們督促新建海欄於重點區域加裝盔甲或是增加埋設的深度再來 我們是補助強化海欄登陸站的韌性建設包含建築物的主體 傳輸網路 電力設備以及工程 |
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我們也爭取115年起單位預算補助建置或精進海欄告警機制然後我們會強化跨部會聯防應變機制在國際合作面方面我們會督促海欄業者加入國際海欄保護聯盟ICPC強化國際合作聯防我們也會督促海欄業者加入臨近海欄維修船區提升可配合海欄維修船隻的能量 |
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在市中應變方面我們又分別為行政面在行政面我們會督促業者啟動備援通訊第二點我們會督促業者通報及緊急應處第三點我們會在官網揭露最新含染障礙狀況第四點我們會適時澄清不實訊息 |
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第五點我們將破壞海嵐市政含送地檢署偵辦然後最後在事後的處理方面我們在法制面我們會滾動修正滾動檢討及研擬法規修正建議我們在一一四年在修訂電信管理法第七十二條增加犯罪工具得沒收及處置的規定在行政面方面一我們會督促業者儘快修復電纜二 |
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障礙的原因分析及应处检讨三 督促海揽业者滚动修正海揽防护计划及应变措施四 我们会争取一亿五年起单位预算我国海揽业者加速断揽修复的工程然后在国际合作面方面我们会与理念相同的国家之主管机关交流海揽防护规范与措施 |
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有關大院委員所擬具的電信管理法第七十二條修正案總共有十二個版本其中有七個版本與行政院提案一致委員王美惠等二十人提案除第四項標點符號差異外內容也跟行政院提案相同另外委員羅美玲等十九人提案建議提高罰金委員沈伯陽等十八人提案過失犯 |
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知行则罚金提高委员黄杰等21人提案增订犯罪行刺全部收益没收及不能没收时之追征委员林一锦等22人提案增订域外处罚规定行政院基于维持关键基础设施保护法 |
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保护法治一致性已召开多次跨部会共同讨论再来大院经济委员会于一一四年十月二十九日三十日审查完俊之电信电业法第七十一条之一天然气事业法第五十五条之一及自来水法九十七条之一皆维持行政院提案本本 |
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基於關鍵基礎設施處理原則及立法體力之一致性懇請委員支持行政院版本感謝大院諸位委員對於我國海南保護提出的建議 |
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結語 電信管理法已於112年修正 針對危害海欄登陸站機房或其連接之纜線國際交換機房或衛星通信中心之功能正常運作者 明定罰則本次修法在對於故意犯增訂犯罪工具 船舶或其他機械設備不問屬於犯罪行為人與否 沒收及處置之規定 |
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以有效嚇阻權宜輪違規破壞我國海瀾與解決公犯罪用之傳播設備等保管問題同時本部也將持續研究及推動提升國家通訊網路韌性措施期盼各位委員予以支持 謝謝現在請交通部陳士凱部長報告 |
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主席 各位委員 各位女士先生今天應邀列席貴委員會就貴委員會審查行政院函請審議氣象法 商港法以及傳播法三項法案修正草案委員領據氣象法第21條之一條文修正草案共9案 |
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2494.483 |
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2523.522 |
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商港法第15條及第65條之4條文修正草案共11案傳播法部分修正草案共12案進行審查並且聆聽各位委員的指教跟寶貴的意見深感榮幸海底電纜與管路管道是我國通信以及能源輸送的生命線其安全攸關於國家的安全以及民生的福祉為了強化我國海底電纜 |
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的跟管道的防護交通部已經配合行政院政策全面檢討相關的法令並且推動完成氣象法商港法以及傳播法等三項的修法作業此次修法重點有四項第一針對危害氣象設施 |
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新增過失犯刑的刑罰規範第二 明定犯罪之工具船舶或者是其他機械設備的沒收以及處置機制第三 針對三無也就是說無船籍無船舶證書以及無船舶登記的三無船資長期滯留商港無正當旅遊位於其縣內離港為違帽船舶的規範 第四 |
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訂定我國領海內未發送正確傳播識別資訊未具備正確傳播標誌 |
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為具備航海日誌的船舶相關規範的罰則透過上述的修法新增的措施我們會同海巡署等相關的執法單位共同的防範不法船舶侵擾以維護我國海域航行的秩序保障海嵐以及關鍵基礎設施的安全以下請本部航政司韓司長就三項修法內容向大院委員 |
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以及大院委員所提的修正重點以及本部建議處理的意見方向向各委員報告 敬請各委員指教 謝謝 |
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主席 各位委員 各位女士 各位先生 今天應邀列席委員會 就委員會審查行政院韓行審議七項法 香港法及川普法等三項法案之修正說明及委員女據之相關條文修正草案內容之建議處理意見 請報告說明如下 敬請各位委員指教 |
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本次修法說明為避免地震海嘯觀測海嵐受不法侵害 致影響預警時效本部提出氣象法修正草案同時為防範以傳播作為破壞海嵐之工具提出商港法及傳播法修正草案本次修法包括以下四大重點一 針對危害氣象設施新增過失犯刑罰規範 |
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2689.591 |
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海底電纜等相關圖資已於海洋委員會之國家海洋資料庫及共享平臺公開從事海域航行或相關工作者應可預先知悉避免碰撞或損害事件發生原比照電信管理法增定危害氣象設施過時犯規範 |
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二 針對危害氣象設施之犯罪太陽 明定犯罪用工具 船舶或其他機械設備沒收及處置機制故意損壞海欄等行為 影響海嘯及地震預警時效及國家安全慎據故增訂犯罪用工具船舶等設備 不問屬於犯罪行為人與否予以沒收 以嚇阻不法行為 |
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三 明訂三無船舶長期滯留商港無正當理由 位於其縣內離港及帷貌船舶是規範 針對無船及無船舶證書及無船舶登記之三無船舶或長期滯留商港之船舶 得直接令該船舶於三個月內離港 無正當理由位於其縣內離港之船舶依法沒入之 |
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四 訂定船舶航行因揭露資訊之規範與罰則船舶於我國領海內 應發送正確的船舶識別資訊及具備正確的船舶標誌及航海日誌對違規情節嚴重者處以最高一千萬元罰還並得另船舶進港未一線完成改善者依法沒入職 |
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這對於大院委員提案修正之本部建議處理意見有關委員王美惠 李昆城 吳麗華黃婕 吳佩奕 林楚茵 沈伯陽 蔡奕瑜郭雲琴等委員擬拒七項法第21條之一條文修正草案共九案 |
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| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
2795.863 |
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修正重點 新增過失犯刑罰規範及增訂故意犯罪用具傳播及其他機械設備沒收與處置等相關規定 令新增故意犯收益全部沒收及追徵規定 建議處理意見過失犯部分 除部分委員建議提高過失犯刑罰至一年以下有期徒刑或科新台幣300元以下罰金 |
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其餘委員所提內容均與行政院所提草案相近 應行政院版本執行度細精跨部會協調討論而訂定 為確保相關法規的一致性 建議維持行政院版本 故意犯部分考量當次傳播收益數額難以確認 收益對象未必為本國人 致實務上執行沒收據相當困難度 建議維持行政院版本 |
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有關網美會委員等委員拟據的商港法第15條及第65條之4條文修正草案等11案修正重點傳播長期滯留商港或使用偽冒識別資料對商港及國家安全構成潛在威脅為提升國家關鍵基礎設施韌性 增訂用交通部航港局或指定機關末日傳播之處置方式以維護商港營運秩序 |
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建議處理意見 委員提案與行政院版本大致相同僅部分文字如持續滯留等用語有些許差異為其精神與文藝與行政院版相近 原建議維持行政院版本3 委員蔡其昌等你據傳播法部分條文修正草案修正重點 |
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對於關閉冒用AIS 多次更換識別碼 傳名等行為 現行傳播法欠缺處罰規範原理據相關規定 建議處理意見 有關海欄防護部分與行政院版的精神跟內容相近 唯一現行海域法規 |
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上無嚴禁水域之名詞 原建議維持行政院版本 令本次修法稀為強化海欄防護具有其急迫性 委員所提其他非涉海欄防護部分條文涉及層面較廣 尚需進一步研議 原建議本次暫不修正 |
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有關委員網美會等擬具傳播法部分條文修正草案等9案修正重點 近年旅遊非我國傳播在我國海域滯留對海域安全造成嚴重影響有必要修正相關規定提升海域防護能量與國家安全韌性 建議處理意見有關委員所提案與行政版本大致相同僅部分文字如適用水域範圍之用語有些許差異為其精神與內容與行政版相近原建議維持行政版本 |
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委員徐富奎等已據傳播法部分條文修正草案修正重點為推動遊艇觀光離岸風電納管服務以及符合相關國際航運規定原修正相關規定建議處理意見委員提案涉及海南法案與行政版本之精神與內容相近唯一現行海域法規尚無嚴禁水域之名詞原建議維持行政版本令本次修法 |
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非涉海欄防護部分條文涉及層面較廣 尚需進一步研議原建議本次暫不修正委員蘇曉慧你據傳播法第8條及第89條修正草案修正重點 增訂出特許或無害通過者外非中華民國傳播不得在領海滯留與違反規定之處罰 建議處理意見無害通過之停船及下茅認定及管理於我國的領海及臨街區法已有明定 |
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無害通過飛屬得與我國領海滯留是樣態若有飛屬無害通過之情形海巡署依相關法令得即可以驅離因此尚無與傳播法訂定相關特許規定之需要 |
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感謝大院諸位委員所提供的修法建議 本部於行政院指導下 推動本次相關修法作業會同海巡署等相關機關共同強化防護我國海底電纜 其透過有效處置不法行為 維護國家安全及確保民生服務綜商說明 針對相關委員之提案 請提供本部建議處理意見 敬請各位委員參採並會議指教 謝謝好 今天主要先由 |
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數位部及交通部來做口頭的報告另外其餘五個單位所提出報告請各位委員參佐各機關所送之書面報告均列入記錄刊登公報現在開始進行詢答先宣告以下事項初期委員6加1分鐘 |
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列席委員五分鐘委員發言登記於十點三十分截止各委員如有臨時提案請於十點前提出以便議事人員會診暫定十點三十分休息十分鐘 |
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好 謝謝我們第一位質詢的委員 李坤澤召委謝謝何欣淳主席請一下陳世凱部長 呂國成署長 林益進部長來 兩位部長跟署長請 |
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我先就教於陳士凱部長跟呂國成署長有關於地震的國家級警報關係到人民的生命財產安全的一個重要的保障基礎那在過去我們針對 |
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國家體警報在當初10年啦細胞廣播系統也沒有建置手機的內部的相關軟體建置也沒有形成一個規格那在國家體警報設置之後那除了 |
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國家級警報的這樣的一個測試以及相關的誤報的調整等等其實最重要就是海底電纜的鋪設那在過去它其實有三期已經施作那這個海底 |
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電纜的鋪設各起都有他各自的專業名稱但是通稱就叫做媽祖計畫媽祖結尾了因為媽祖都是神威謙卑不必眾生 大家都合家平安所以通稱為媽祖計畫 |
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那這個媽祖計畫到第四期是一個重要的階段就是我們第一期 第二期 第三期從東北角延伸到 |
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台灣的南部在屏東的仿山上岸那接下來我們更要從屏東的仿山往南延伸到這個菲律賓的呂宋島因為馬尼拉海溝的這個地震是所有地震專家大家所擔憂的未來重大的地震以及海嘯這對南部民眾的生命財產安全是一個重要的威脅所以在這樣的一個 |
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騎乘裡面我們看到本來是預設要800公里後來因為我們碰到原物料的漲價還有南海是一個衝突的高風險區域所以造成了很多的流標廢標總共前後已經有12次的流廢標 |
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那我現在先請教一下署長我們針對流廢標現在在做第三次的一個招標的修正那我們針對原物料以及南海高風險的衝突造成很多國際的廠商他擔憂這個衝突的風險所以也沒有這個投標的意願那過去也因為標價過高跟風險衝突的因素我們現在要做怎樣的修正 |
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跟委員報告這個案子的確是一波三折那我們也覺得這個跟委員一樣我們認為從南海這邊的海嘯跟地震對我們台灣南部有非常大的影響所以我們持續的在推動這個案子那過去呢程族委員所說的的確是在標案上面其實能夠做這個海染的廠商也並不多所以我們也接觸了美國日本甚至歐洲這一些廠商 |
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那在今年我們也提這個預計要提第三次的修正計畫那照目前來看我們跟國內的廠商跟國外廠商是有有些意願的廠商願意來跟我們洽談然後同時也有報價進來所以這一部分我們也依據這一些相關的資訊在提報修正計畫希望委員能夠支持讓我們這個案子能夠持續的在進行部長來補充說明 |
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我們第三次的這個修正也積極在辦理那並且我們已經有尋求適當的廠商大家的意願其實跟過去比起來是比較有啦所以這次我們比較有把握那只要大院能夠支持我們的預算我相信這個海嵐的這個鋪設的進展就會速度比較快那我們也會爭取行政院這方面的支持 |
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好 謝謝那我接下來請教一下林益進部長針對海嵐遭破壞的事件頻傳那台灣通訊方面海嵐總共有14條的國際海嵐有10條的國內海嵐當然我們還要再包含地震測報方面的這種媽祖計畫的相關的海嵐那國安局統計2019年到2023年每年海嵐遭破壞的次數達到7至8次 |
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是 2025年一至四月就已經出現五次了那當然中國破壞我國海南主要有四種形態不管是抽砂船漁船貨輪或者是第三國籍的這種權益輪那因為相關的船籍比較模糊來規避相關的這種破壞的這種狀況那我請教一下 |
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部長我們針對目前的這些狀況有沒有進一步的掌握或你有要做進一步的說明是 關於這個海嵐方面我們就是從那個事前事中以及事後分別做管理及改進那就是在事前我們要做好監控還有那個預警就是說如果我們就會 |
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因為這個海嵐它的那個維運事實上大部分都是民間的公司在做的那我們會督促像是中華電信這些民間的公司確實做好這個預警然後發生事情的時候要及時通報然後我們速發部也會在我們的網站上就是公布現在我們周遭海嵐不管是國際海嵐或者是國內海嵐的狀況 |
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然後事情發生後我們第一個就是要迅速恢復通訊那迅速恢復通訊除了就是說海欄通常都會有備援我們在不管是國際海欄或者是國內海欄都不只是一條那我們就盡快通知業者要求業者就是利用備援的海欄就是讓這個民眾還是可以持續使用網路那再來我們也當然有微波還有就是最 |
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最後要防線當然就是我們的低軌衛星還有中軌衛星等等然後在事後就很重要一點就是我們要究責把這個壞那個壞人把他抓起來而且要做懲罰就是要讓他們以後不敢再做這些事情那今天我們這個 |
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就是懇請委員支持 謝謝部長剛才提到救者的問題其實海南破壞它的證據取得是非常困難救者也不容易 求償也非常的困難最主要是國際法它的法規的規定當然海洋法的規範是各國法規管轄的範圍內只有領海之內公海船舶國籍所在國它才有管轄權 |
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那需要船機國或是船主同意你才能登船檢查另外也追蹤困難證據取得也困難損害球場是更加的困難因為證據力不足無法確認它是否是故意的破壞或是船機國的問題或是船長無力償付的問題這些都是無法實質的這種要求賠償那或者是救者 |
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我們看到我有幾個具體的建議我們未來這種海欄鋪設前中後應該要建立損害的這種管理機制事前我們必須要針對海欄的鋪設地點詳細的調查針對深度跟環境的不同我們來設定不同的防護層級也要參考國際案例納入 |
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這種光纖即時的監測的技術打鬧的過程使用ROV來進行水下攝影保存影像的這種證據另外市中我們要強化海域的管理跟各單位強化這種宣傳進行 |
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證據收集的這種機制 是 那事後我們要偵測 法規要偵測船舶扣押及資產扣押的機制來強化球場的能力 這個請數位部來加強這樣的一個作業是 謝謝委員的指導與支持 謝謝好 謝謝 |
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好謝謝何新淳委員現在請黃國昌主席發言好謝謝主席麻煩有請數位部部長國家資通安全院院長好請部長及院長國家安全院委員長 |
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部長好 院長好時間的關係不宜問候資安及國安賴清德總統強調得非常清楚也因為如此2025年行政院國家自動安全匯報跨國網路攻防的演練這個時候為了要做這件事情速發布 |
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補助了國家自動安全研究院取得了一個OT醫療工房演練場域建置的標案這件事情我公開舉行過記者會國家自動安全院也有發聲明回應不過因為國家自動安全研究院的聲明老實說我完全看不懂所以今天必須要藉由質詢的方式來釐清幾個重要的爭點 |
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這個標案有罪有利標交給大同醫護得標交給大同醫護得標裡面我看到的情況是違法的履約違法的驗收涉及到刑事犯罪行為了但是 |
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我們具體的來看因為我那天在記者會上面公開請教的問題我從資安院的回應完全看不到任何答案我們就一樣一樣具體來第一個 |
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這個案子在去年12月25號履約期限屆滿前辦理採購的單位說廠商所交來的東西跟標案的規格相符合那因此陳鮑當時的院長說要辦理驗收我們來看一下 |
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那個時候簽准大同醫護辦理驗收他提出的設備有按照標案的規格提出的設備是新品嗎 是嗎是不是新品跟委員報告 它是舊品第一個它是舊品 那我的問題來了就沒有驗收那你們當初為什麼會上這個簽程說是新品辦理採購的單位看不出來它是舊品嗎因為 |
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請購的單位要先上千層說沒有問題了交給院長 院長才批辱你就按照你的指示來加以辦理第一個 他交的是新品嗎你說不是 是舊品嗎對 是舊品好 第一次復驗的時候12月幾號你知不知道第一次驗的時候第一次驗的時候你說是27號嘛27號就發現是舊品對不對 |
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來把你的資料看快一點時間的關係後面還有很多問題27號就發現東西是舊的對不對12月30號30號是第二次了啦第一次復驗對啦那個復驗所以是second time對first time是不是27號對27號是不是發現東西是舊的對好30號東西拿來的時候是新的還是舊的 |
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舊的 還是舊的嘛那我現在就搞不懂啦這個大同醫護膽大包天啦27號告訴你是舊的30號繼續拿舊的來他把治安院當盤子嗎30號繼續拿舊的來 結果出具假的新品證明書出具假的新品證明書 這個新品證明書是真的嗎是真的還假的 |
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現在我貼在PPT上的新品證明書你的檔案裡面應該有承辦人員告訴你這個新品證明書是真的還假的 |
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他有附新品證明書但是設備不是新品所以這個新品證明書是假的廠商出一個新品證明書告訴你是新的東西是舊的我看整個履約的過程我看的是瞠目結舌27號告訴你這個東西是舊的30號辦復驗還是舊的但是拿一個新品證明書來想要謀混過關 |
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這膽大包天啊第二件事情採購標案上面規格很清楚網通設備不可以用中國製的他所教的網通設備是不是用中國製的 是還是不是他是美國品牌 是不是中國製的美國品牌中國製是中國製的符合標案規格嗎 |
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在這一項裡面有寫不得為中國對 所以符合標案規格嗎不符合不符合嘛 不符合你們為什麼後來還是給他驗收通過因為他在這個寫在文件裡面那我們驗收同仁沒有注意到用沒有注意到就可以用混的喔是閉著眼睛在驗收嗎來看一下進口報單 |
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上面進口國寫CN CN就是China我們台灣鬧大笑話我們的速發部拿納稅的錢給國家資通安全研究院說要辦資安檢驗不可以用中國網通設備結果那個廠商膽大包天白紙黑字跟你說這個東西是China來的結果你們閉著眼睛辦驗收 |
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閉著眼睛辦驗收耶然後現在說同仁沒有注意到對不起啊 院長我講話比較直接啊 要騙鬼啊要騙鬼啊現在要用疏失 沒有注意到來搪塞喔要騙鬼啊你相信嗎 院長 你相信嗎你相信嗎 |
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這一點 審計部有在10月初來不用去扯到審計部啦現在你們部裡面自己當初怎麼驗的這已經是擺明了驗收不實啊貪污自罪條例的重罪了啦驗收不實是貪污自罪條例的重罪啊你回去請教你們的法務同仁啊我講的絕對不會錯啊 結果 好這些東西 |
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中國製的網通設備型號一變再變結果呢不是由那個設備廠商出保固書因為出不出來嘛大同醫護自己出保固書你們閉著眼睛給他驗收過關然後我講的這兩件事情拿舊的充當新的用中國的網通設備違法違約你們還驗收合格也是對的結果我看不懂啦 |
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大同醫護跟洪祈昌說我不實指控他說我們都是新的沒有使用中國製的產品來請教院長洪祈昌講的是實話還是謊話是我不實指控還是什麼還是他不實回應從我們剛詢答的過程當中到底誰說謊是我說謊還是洪祈昌說謊 |
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請說明所以他不是新品所以我們沒有驗收那時候延宕驗收到今年3月才驗收你不要避重就輕問A答B啦他說沒有使用中國製產品這句話是真的還是假的是真的還是假的那是美國品牌中國製對啊他不是說沒有使用中國產製品這不就是在說謊嗎 |
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最後的問題我搞不懂了出了這麼大條的包結果資安院從頭包庇到尾好主席站起來我問最後一個問題去年年底洪祈昌有沒有跑到資安院找當時你前任的院長何全德敲這個標案有還是沒有這個我不知道回去了解清楚可以嗎可以嗎我回去了解一下你回去問同仁嘛三天之內書面回覆可以嗎 |
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可以嗎 你回去問一下就知道了嘛國家資通安全研究院進出門 進管是應該很嚴格啊去年12月他有沒有到資安院找何全德院長喬標案因為我搞 我已經完全看不懂啦國家資通安全研究院我們大家都很支持啦資安很重要啊結果出這麼大的包事後cover |
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事後包庇到我開記者會繼續說謊讓人不可思議啊後來治安院有同仁跟我檢舉啊為什麼這個案子到現在還沒有聽權為什麼還沒有移送法辦為什麼還沒有解約上面有人罵誰敢動啊三天之內回覆可以嗎 |
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好來請部長最後一個問題部長這個案子剛尋答的過程您都聽到了我相信會前昨天治安院的同仁很辛苦啦包括速發部的同仁整理資料到深夜啊相關的說明都給你了現在我只有具體的問題要不要依法解約要不要依法停權要不要移送法辦 |
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是 這件事情是由審計部他在例行的調查中發現的那這件事情我們書發部我們是認為說這個事情要不要依法解約這個法律上該怎麼辦就怎麼辦真的過去有該怎麼辦就怎麼辦嗎閉著眼睛混了多久啦第二個 法律上該怎麼辦就怎麼辦要不要依法停權如果判決有疏失的話 |
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要不要依法停權該寄過就寄過 該懲處就懲處這個一切就是依法廠商要不要依法停權這個由治安院去處理由治安院處理嗎對 因為這是第三個 要不要移送法辦這個就是法律上就是如果有那個應該移送法辦就是要移送法辦應該 我現在直接跟部長報告這絕對要移送法辦 驗收不實 |
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驗收不死 剛剛詢答的過程你應該聽得很清楚啦我希望喔 依法辦理不要因為大同一戶新潮流的大佬洪祺昌前任的院長何全德就軟趴趴被人家摸頭包庇成這個樣子這件事情責任一定要追究到底 謝謝謝謝委員好 謝謝黃國昌委員發言完畢 |
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再次說明我們相關的議事的處理就是每位委員說完之後我們會再給予一分鐘讓委員來做收尾會響鈴三次 |
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然後再過30秒也會再響鈴三次那都尊重各位委員的發言內容不分黨派都是一樣大聯盟的裁判好求待都是一樣的現在請洪孟凱召委發言 |
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好 感謝主席 大聯盟裁判都是一樣但我們也期待部會直球對決來 請速發部長好 請部長 |
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好 部長委員長今天海蘭七法其實我想不管國安 治安都是全台2350萬人共同要求也共同期待也共同要注意的所以我們不分黨派共同來努力但是我想先了解一下說我們有沒有針對我們最需要面對的問題來去對症下藥請教一下現在我們海蘭 |
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海底電纜裡面到底我們現在有幾條是目前還在進行中斷裂的狀況這件事情是不是可以請我們任慶司來簡單說明一下好不好簡單說明 |
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好 謝謝委員的垂詢基本上海嵐目前在海嵐的狀況我們在速發部的官網都及時的更新像昨天又更新一筆目前有三個海嵐是有故障的情形三個海嵐有故障是 另外三個是計劃性維修 以上報告好 那最近本席有看到社群媒體平台在昨天晚上有一個貼文寫說出大事 台灣海底電纜又斷了 |
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那其中這一條他就指的是這個海峽中線1號是不是TSE1來有沒有掌握是這個狀況是不是說明一下 |
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報告委員 海峽觀覽1號目前為止有部分新覽中斷但是那個中斷不是在所謂的使用的觀覽上它只是一條觀覽中斷那一條海覽裡頭有非常多的光纖只是斷了一條那這一條並沒有影響通訊那我們也在前面已經在公告跟委員報告10月27號已經有把這個訊息有公告出來但是事實上完全不影響通訊以上報告完全不影響通訊 |
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那不過在這個網站上面它看起來它是呈現是一個中斷的狀況並且它是變成是紅線所以我想也利用這個機會給你闢謠一下或說讓所有國人在使用網路的可以安心因為畢竟我們看到社群媒體平台是有這樣的一個討論而且討論蠻熱烈的所以你說不影響這個通訊那另外一個部分是說那有沒有什麼樣造成的原因是什麼有沒有掌握了 |
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包委員目前為止我們我還是因為上次有一個新聞事件就台灣海岸斷9條所以自此以後速發部會及時的更新我們的網頁我們先講這個海峽光線1號有沒有掌握它的這個斷裂或是說你說停損的原因是什麼 |
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目前海嵐在維修的時候目前為止看到是沒有人為的一個情形那至於詳細的斷裂原因比如說自然原因是什麼原因還要等海嵐真正維修撈起來後才會更清楚所以什麼時候可以確認目前為止它現在這個維修它是官方維修還是這個民間維修 |
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報告委員所有的海嵐維修都是由民間在維修的那目前所以這一條他是民間所有是沒錯那目前的狀況是維修的情形海嵐現在海嵐業者還在評估當中因為海嵐還在釣海嵐船是好來部長 |
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部長本席之前在外交國防委員會也有這個相關議題的時候本席就非常的重視國安局報告說每年至少有七到八條的台灣海欄對外海欄是斷裂或是說破損的狀況近幾年近三年有25次那本席也問了就是說如果在國安局的這個報告裡面或者是說我們今天所謂的海欄七法其實講白了啦是 |
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只指一個源頭如果說撇除意外的狀況只指一個源頭就是我們認為是中共中國大陸刻意的破壞台灣對外的一個聯繫有沒有這樣的狀況 |
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是關於這個海嵐這個破壞剛剛委員提到其實就是事情的重點因為現在臺灣面對的是敵對就是中國大陸那邊的一些灰色地帶襲擾那他這些灰色地帶襲擾就是讓我們很難去判斷說他到底是故意的還是是無意的他就算是故意的他又裝作是那個無意的不小心就是過失那過失我們又很難 |
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判斷就是不管怎麼樣我們現在要討論這些相關的修法那你們其實源頭都指的是說就是刻意要破壞嘛是那但是我也問啦25次的近三年25次的一個破壞那到底我們有求償幾次你知道答案嗎是我們國安局這邊給我們的回覆說25次裡面只求償了兩次啊 |
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那我們也在問是說那如果說你今天我們不管我們的法令要定的多嚴格我們希望是說能夠保護但是兩個部分嘛一個是如果說破壞的時候而且我還問球場是誰來球場也是民間嘛跟我們官方沒有辦法有任何我是甚至講是說如果我們真的講要抗中保台啦民進黨政府要做真的那你陸委會代位球場啊你法務部代位球場啊 |
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海委會代位求償啊印起來嘛打國際官司嘛也沒有也是要推給民間那中華電信有沒有去處理25次2次 |
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所以我們現在講的是說現在我們要加強不管是海蘭七法我們這相關的法令能夠加強台灣的通訊安全保障資安我都支持但是我們有沒有做實事有沒有面對到問題去處理問題還是說只要是傳之過來我甚至查到最新一個新聞是 |
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8月底是他是說一個陸級的船長他破壞了中華電信的1700萬的海纜要維修就到最後侵犯三年是那有沒有球場 |
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是 跟委員報告因為這些海嵐都是民間機構所擁有的所以當然要訴訟要求償當然是必須由民間的這些海嵐公司來要求那我們真正是不行的時候我們才需要做像是代位求償這種事情所以什麼時候有可能啟動代位求償你這樣講是說有可能喔 |
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如果民間需求民間處理不了的話我們當然會處理那過去幾年過去三年25次的斷線民間有沒有提過說要代位球場那今天速發部願意跳出來我覺得很好啊是能不能代位球場我覺得如果這樣的話我們支持有意義喔是這個事情我們會不會去研究 |
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部長是立法院法治局指出法規沒有規定領海外我國海欄被破壞的處罰事項建議修正經濟部速發部都回應如果新增意外的效力條款容易引發管轄權的爭議是建議不建議修正法治局又提說過失損毀應該要負民事責任速發部或經濟部又認為現行民法已經有相關規範不建議修正那不就是玩假的嗎 |
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你剛又在講是說我講中華電信因為最大的這個業主是中華電信那中華電信的海嵐破壞了過去這三年中華電信還算是我們官方機關 半官方機關結果他也沒有我不知道是說是過去沒有這樣的管道讓中華電信能夠來拜託請求代位求償還是明明有管道他們不願意申請 |
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那另外第二個部分是說我們現在臨海以外的被破壞的一個行為我們也沒有任何的辦法是 這個關於這個臨海以外我們是不是有管轄權我們在法律上是不是可以去去處罰他這個是涉及那個法律的專業那我們請那個我們法治處處長我們因為這個是國際的狀況我相信不會是只有台灣的台南會被破壞沒錯 沒錯委員講一點都沒錯國外怎麼做 |
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是我們至少沒有辦法跟美國學習我們跟韓國學習跟日本學習總可以吧那日本怎麼做韓國怎麼做我們有沒有去研究如果說他們公海上面臨海以外日本的海欄被破壞他們怎麼做 |
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是 包括委員依照聯合國的海洋法公約113條的規定也不是這個113條而是除了有沒有普遍的管轄權應該是除了海盜罪以外其他的罪行大致上都沒有普遍的管轄權也就是不適合在意外行使對於傳奇國的一個管轄那所以 那他們怎麼做如果說日本政府他們面臨到海瀾被破壞 |
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所以他們也是回歸到海洋法113條的規定來處理也就是只有領海內來做一個執法的一個範圍好啦來部長要扯到後面又講說我們不是聯合國的會員等等的你又又繞回來了老問題我覺得要面對問題我們也希望是說能夠支持但是如果說海外電纜被破壞都無法可管那修法不是等於修半套嗎 |
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是 但是這個是很殘酷的國際現實我們並不是美國像美國最近那個川普總統常常利用一些海盜就是覺得是海盜的原因去做一些那個境外公海上的那個執法但是台灣並沒有辦法這樣做所以我們還是必須遵守這個國際的法律的這些規定那這個是我們很不幸我們台灣並不是像沒有 如果說你要這樣講的話那我就很期待民進黨政府硬起來我支持 |
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如果說誰破壞我們台灣的海欄真的有罪證確鑿的話硬起來啊美國政府可以做到台灣政府做不到不是說台美關係史上最佳嗎學一學嘛來最後一分鐘啦 抱歉稍微站起來等一下 我要九分鐘啦 |
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我看到昨天速發部為了防堵跨境的購物造成非洲豬瘟的一個破口所以說馬上找了Google MetaLine跟TikTok四大網路平台來延商那重點其實主要就是要提供關鍵字就不讓豬肉製品能夠進口我想先請教這個其實這是源頭管理我認同 |
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就是說你連購物平台上面不管是接下來要進來的雙11你連買或是看都不能看到肉乾肉鬆等等肉製品那你連下單都沒有辦法下單你當然就不會透過平台進來嘛所以現在有可以把握我們台灣所有的購物平台上面都不會再出現有 |
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外境外的豬肉製品這是我們努力的目標那我們那個盡量用關鍵字去搜尋難免有時候會有些人疏漏的地方疏漏的時候我們發現就會馬上再通知這些平台馬上要求他們更新他們的所以不會讓民眾在購物網站上面可以找到這些豬肉製品我們會從資訊流 金流以及物流三方面來處理可以做得到嘛是好 那本席講另外一個我長期關注的議題是 |
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電子菸現在在台灣合法嗎這個要問衛福部什麼還要問衛福部你有沒有一點common sense電子菸在台灣合不合法還要問衛福部喔是有沒有common sensecommon sense吧這算是電子菸在台灣合不合法委員好我知道今天有問題點了原來到目前為止速發部都不知道電子菸在台灣合不合法槍枝在台灣合不合法這common sense吧 |
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槍枝當然要看是使用的人一般民眾是違法的但是軍人還有警察當然是合法能不能在網路上可以買得到槍不行嘛能不能在網路上買得到毒品不行嘛來 那電子菸合不合法 |
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來來來剛剛你沒有來回答一下一分鐘剛才我的一分鐘很寶貴因為我的了解當然電子菸依照衛福部的規定現在是不合法不合法非常好來那從本席過去也一直從上一任部長我一直講就是說如果不合法的話怎麼可以那麼輕易的我們Google不用打任何的隱蔽的 |
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隱晦的字眼我打電子菸三個字就可以出現官方網站購買電子菸還可以直接下單然後三天之內他寄到7-11還不用查身份證件我就可以直接來買這行之有年耶那我一直提說你應該是 |
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不管境內境外 重點來來來 重點在於是重點在於是跟我剛剛討論非洲豬瘟是一樣的道理重點在於是台灣2300萬人能不能用我們的Google我在台灣上Google能不能查到這些資訊嘛如果說你剛剛講說非洲豬瘟我都可以一天時間把四大平台業者找來並且要求他們就是屏蔽 |
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我不能出現豬肉製品我連讓你下單都沒有辦法下單所以你根本不會買也不會進來嘛我肯定我肯定但一樣的道理那電子菸呢到目前為止你你等一下可以請同仁隨便一個幕僚查電子菸三字你都不用打任何的那種隱晦的字眼就電子菸你就可以出現在首頁Google的第一個搜尋就可以出現電子菸官方網站琳瑯滿目 |
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三天下訂 三天到貨千元有找 滿千送百 還有會員只要他們新聞部要來要求我們把哪一個網站那個屏蔽我們就會要求所以本時要講的就是說這個東西是一個不應該被任何人輕易搜尋到的對 但是我們訴發部並不是在做言論管制但是到目前為止提了那麼久了我們並不是在做言論管制如果有法源的依據只要衛福部那邊一定有法源依據衛福部從以前到現在陰害防治法就有法源依據 |
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所以現在又推給衛福部處理不是因為這個是政府的分工的問題我們速發部我們必須做言論管制我想部長這絕對不是言論管制你怎麼會提到言論管制呢違法違禁品毒品販賣在網路上結果你跟我講言論管制我的意思是說這個事情不是由我們判斷就是說這個 |
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就是電子菸哪些網站是合法哪些電子菸是合法所以本席現在確認兩件事情第一是可以做到的現在技術本來就可以技術上可以做到有法律上創意私房的時候一天內那個論壇就可以下架對 那個是衛福部發新聞給我們那我們現在我也已經不只一次要求前任部長現任部長我也會講 |
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但是我要求的是不要互推皮球這一點真的是所有國小 國中 高中的家長都很擔心就像棒球隊一樣有那個內野 有投手各自有各自的分工但是我們要合作 |
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那這個自求自決就是要各自分工本席這一個議題會持續追我也看什麼時候衛福部跟觸發部要硬起來可以共同的讓國人不要受到這個危害本席會再追這個事情謝謝非常謝謝謝謝部長謝謝謝謝侯孟凱 趙偉再做個補充說明各個委員自己的發言時間完畢之後我是經過一分半鐘才會站起來 |
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那因为我年纪也大了请不要让我站太久第二个大联盟的裁判只是负责好球带那你要投直球曲球滑球四方线二方线升卡卡特晋升球我都没有意见谢谢现在请鲁明哲委员发言 |
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好 謝謝主席很高興來到大聯盟今天擔任第四棒請我們陳部長我看今天都沒有上來陳部長然後我們航港局葉局長請葉局長 |
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因為今天開始讀秒了那我也快一點我想上個月跟運安會特別要了一些他們本身的一個業務報告其中看到一個數據就是針對於我們陸海空跟我們軌道鐵道的系列運輸工具他們運安會在針對於很多的一個不管是事故或者一些發生了一些問題的時候有提出相關的建議改善的一個建議列表 |
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我們特別有注意到 當然公路 水路跟公路數字都比較多那水路水路的等候回復90天以內跟處理中的最高有到目前為止還掛在那邊24件那列管中是17件那是不是這個 |
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部長你要不要先概略整體回答一下水路這個部分數字在運安會提出希望你們建議怎麼改善之後這樣的一個數字掛將正不正常是 報告委員如果是掛這麼高的數字當然是要檢討這個部分我們有特別會去做檢討那另外運安會成立到現在一一四年九月為止涉及航港局的這個建議改善的事項有七十九項 |
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那已經解除列管的有67項也就是說目前列管的剩下12項那目前是這個狀況跟港港局比較相關的但是委員所提出的這個數據我認為港港局要再更積極一點在尤其是安全面啦安全面我們真的要慎重一些 |
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好我想針對水路的部分當然分成兩類有屬於商港類的話還是屬於航港局也有一些水路是地方的漁船漁港的部分可能是屬於漁業署或者地方政府其他機關要改善的那我們待會會把它去掉 |
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但是相對的我是覺得是業務量大業務量看起來是蠻大的如果說在第一階段二次事件等候回覆處理中他的規定是90天但我們現在發覺審計報告特別說你們來來回回的次數特別多所以說一直在寫了報告然後又不行你處理方式好像又不行這樣的來來去去的一個情況是 |
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可以講說是水路這個部分 航港局的部分我是覺得應該 是不是人力不夠 我不太清楚那尤其列管中就沉入剛剛部長說的因為當發生一個問題我們的運安會他提出來一個專業的意見然後希望你們能夠落實去改善最終的改善又不是變成一個這個紙上的文書 paperwork所以在你們 |
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當確實你的計畫他說OK了然後把它變成列管就你有實際的作為不管透過了表格人力或者實際的進場去這個改革完畢之後就列管會解除那行政局我們葉局長你說一下好不好因為列管的一個比例我們特別看到我們不要談比例就是說其中最早的有2022年 |
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三月份的 到現在是三年半那他一開始列管那坦白講你也解決了不少件嘛那有一些像飲水人跟我們所有船舶進出港一些風險安全的蠻多的這個部分列管中這樣的一個效率是不是能夠再把它加強一下 |
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是 謝謝委員的這個這個催訓那跟委員報告現在列管的12項裡面最主要還是涉及法規的修正那因此呢所需要時間比較長那這邊涉及到飲水法我們的航路標示條例那還有這個 |
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相關的這個包括人力的這個調整我們現在把這個運安會的包括飲水航路標示條例這一些的修法都列為優先重要事項在列管我們的航路標示條例現在已經 |
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報佈在審議當中那飲水法最遲在12月底前也都會報佈所以跟委員報告我們針對運安會的列管事項一項是列為最優先我們持續在管控好 我覺得列管要解決是你工作最重要的一個目標那這個部分我們特別看到17項 |
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的列管的一個部分當然有一些屬於地方政府的有一些屬於漁業署的或者甚至其他單位的但是有11到12項是屬於交通部跟航港局的這裡面因為有一些要修改法規的要到部裡面去也希望部長能夠全力的加快效率好不好好 那第二個就是看到審議報告特別說這個部分其實我跟局長也特別說過我是有點憂心 |
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那為了你們強化港口進出管理的機制事實上港港局已經從你們建設基金撥了1.3億建置第二代的MT-NET應該把它更完整更有效率然後不要有能夠可以講說品質整個提升但是審計部的一個報告的意見你也看到了現在有公開的他說但你這個系統他覺得似乎有點不太夠因為他認為你的審核標準 |
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不夠完備啦不利有效預防預防高風險的一個船舶進入那舉例說明它從108年到去年的11月統計有15艘三港的一個船隻被傳統遺棄 |
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被傳動儀器那這個部分其實在過去我們看到你自己自己的一個報告甚至港公司的報告都沒有提及這個問題發現這個問題呢事實上是ITF就是有一個國際運輸工人聯合會他們就統計嘛權益怎麼又因為船被 |
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一夕 那這個船員搞不好薪水領不到什麼也沒有嘛所以他們就是對於全世界的一個船隻都做一個統計所以統計到去年11月他發現在航港局的港口航港局港口就有15艦 |
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15件 那時候我剛開始問你的時候其實你也沒有很清楚 還沒有很清楚好 但是我們最新問你謝謝你 你說這15件都解決完畢了嘛15件都已經促使船東處理完畢了 是不是是 報告員15件全部都處理完畢不是已經出港就是船舶都已經做了處理 拆解船舶怎麼處理 把它消滅掉還是怎樣拆解 那船員都已經這個協助返國 |
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好 那我們來看喔 這個是審計部提出來的一個報告那也謝謝啦 至少別人有提醒你馬上處理嘛 我覺得不錯但是我們這個三天之內 我們就請教你那請教呢 第一個回覆當然就是全部解決審計部的報告但第二個 我們就一直在問你說因為是到去年11月的嘛那到現在又快了10個月了那有沒有新生的案件在航港就列款列款在商港那你們說 |
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就是你們承辦人啊 不是你啊承辦人就說 目前沒有 全部都解決完畢了這個是這樣嗎 是這樣嗎當然我答案都寫在這裡嘛 是這樣嗎報告委員 我們現在跟港務公司有建立一個每個月兩次的一個清查機制就是在港內沒有 超過兩週沒有作業的傳播我們都會把它做一個清查 |
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那要如果不是合理的這個治港的這個原因我們會要求來移駁或盡快的離港那到10月31號為止並不是沒有治港的傳播目前統計所有的三港有33艘那這些主要的原因是等待整修或是港口國的這個管制檢查缺失 |
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正在改善所以我說我要拜託你就是說因為整個你是一個team你是一個不管誰答都代表你我們問了兩次沒有了15件都處理完了那今年的呢沒講但是我們就是國際的網站一查就查出來還有這麼多件除了東營島不是你的是地方政府或者漁業署的其他都是你的我覺得這個部分這個就主動積極你們倆這個開會的過程 |
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要把這樣的一個案件尤其是涉到國際的一個工人而且有國際網站在評價我們特別注意另外有很多的權益傳權益傳我覺得也不斷在建議他說我們在澳洲的部分他就針對於說能夠在營業不善的部分甚至在 |
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港口國有管制檢查記錄這些船隻他全部有記錄他要進港的時候就預先管制這個未來會不會朝這個方向來做修法之後會朝這個方向來做嗎對 更為你報告修法部門這次已經納進來那如果他這個 |
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我們我們現在在6月25號已經發布一個禁止進港的一個這個行政命令那這個是依照香港法第49條也就是說他在如果在我們的海域有這個好OK因為時間到了裁判長站起來了那個但我希望能夠預先處理不然留下來都是我們工作人員我們包括你們的航港局港務公司後續的辛苦如果能夠預防是最好謝謝 |
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好謝謝魯明哲委員現在請蔡其昌委員發言謝謝主席主席請速發部林部長請林部長然後請國家通訊重播委員會黃祖密請黃文哲祖密 |
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委員長 部長早 主委早這個最近 今天已經開始要發這個1萬塊 是那我看了一下 |
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我們最近有這個四個假的財政部網站曝光然後普發現金登記前先請認清楚網址那我們也做了宣導政府也做了宣導所以我們叫gov.tw才是真的網站對不對這個是我們一直在宣導好 來下一頁 |
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那部長跟祖密你們覺得這三個王子哪一個是真的哪一個哪些是假哪一個是真哪一個是假第三個絕對是假的你一個一個來我等一下會問祖密祖密先回答好了第一個第一個應該第一個應該是真的啦第二個的話應該是假的第三個的話 |
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第三個可能很難判斷因為他的那個 我們現場還有我們現場還有內政部有來嘛那個視察 你覺得哪一個是真的哪一個是假的E3啦 你認為E3是真的那E3還是E2只有E是真的 那能源署呢 |
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可能都是假的好現場有覺得除了一是真的之外第二個覺得是真的人請舉手第二個政府宣傳嘛gov.tw是真的網站第二個認為有沒有是真的第二個認為是假的舉手好所以有人遲疑啦沒有舉手嘛有人真的也沒舉手假的也沒舉手換言之不大知道是真假 |
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部長你覺得哪一個是真的只有第一個是真的 其他都是假的部長你不能錯 其他很錯這樣我壓力很大對 你絕對不能錯你錯了這個點就丟大但是我現在用目視判斷第一個是真的 第三個是假的第二個我會回去確認因為我要確認他的那個他的那個字型會不會gov其實那是個0或者怎麼樣就有一些trick |
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那個技巧他就是GLV我現在就可以告訴你他就是GLV應該就是你覺得呢這個Domain是真的那前面那個加的那個看起來有點可疑所以你第二個你覺得是假的 |
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還是不能夠確定對我們做事情的方法我們那個就是科學家的方法就是在去確定好我跟大家公布答案只有第一個是真的另外兩個都是假的是好那另外兩個是假的這個是之前之前不是發現金就之前這個監理站用監理站專門在騙大家點進去繳費的 |
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的釣魚網站那第二個為什麼是假的因為他那個gov.tv不是在前面所以他在斜線後面這是假的這是你們過去啦這是我拿過去的東西拿來問你們好啦部長你看喔連你對第二個你都要回去查證一下現場我們很多政府的同仁們也都不是太確定部長你覺得一個一般社會大眾是 |
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他怎麼知道他難道還要跟你一樣回去書法部查一下然後哪一個第二個是不是真或者是假是委員說的完全沒錯所以我們現在的宣傳是說不是說.gov普發現金的時候不是說只認gov.tl我們是講說所有的關於登記還有訊息還有那個發放的作業什麼都只在1100 |
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.gov.tw就在這上面才會是真的然後另外這是我們的白名單策略另外一個黑名單策略就是我們在網站上我們就事先預防我們就把那個所有看起來很像譬如說把1000他寫的是1000的這些網站我們就事先做封阻所以我們就是努力把各種那個詐騙的管道就把它封阻住好是 |
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我其實不是要請你上來解釋這個啦因為這個我們已經我講過嘛我對抒發部從我站在這個位置這個會期開始我就只有一個問題問你就打雜其他我沒有任何問過抒發部任何問題那為什麼這樣我一直在講這個事情一萬塊就要發了可是我們這個宣導啊我不認為大家懂 |
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我的做法我告訴家裡長輩的做法是就是政府另外領一萬塊的那兩個方法是譬如說你就直接零貴嘛是不然就ATM嘛是對不對是那這個實在是太困難了是主委你看我就講嘛我們大家都是政府我們都在宣導讓民眾知道哪一個是假的網站是但是我忽然告訴你就像你今天你此刻我發簡訊給你是 |
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我們的各位這個行政院的各位同仁發簡訊給大家各部會的同仁你能立刻知道我要點還不要點你也很懷疑啦所以更不要講一般民眾是所以部長認重道遠啦謝謝要搞這個普發現金為什麼這個 |
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4個假網站曝光不知道還有40個還400個沒有曝光是 沒錯可能此刻我在質詢的當下就有人正在受騙是所以這個1萬塊要做這件事情就是說你要透過網站去做這個事情是速發部應該要有一個更審慎的規劃是你現在在宣導你宣導的狀況你看等於我們自己的 |
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政府的同仁都不是太確定都不是太確定所以你們一定要想個辦法不然你要做這個你就不要做你要做這個你就要有你要有拿出速發部的做法好不好這就已經開始了我現在講已經有點慢了但是你看我隨便考一下這個你要宣導到大家都去知道這個難度實在很高 |
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抱歉啦那個上場就像棒球員突然上場會緊張一下沒關係啦我沒有怪你你也沒有答錯啦你也不算答錯你只是說謹慎一下啦但是呢你看很明顯的這個謹慎只有你有辦法你是速發部長嘛一般民眾是沒有辦法有你謹沒有辦法這樣謹慎還有回去有速發部可以來問來去查沒有辦法OK那個祖密4G啊這個市場上都在大家都在煩惱因為4G的用戶現在還有1000多萬戶有啦 |
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這一千多萬戶不斷在擔心因為現在可能這個電信公司不斷在促銷5G所以大家接到這種叫大家去轉5G的電話就會感到有壓力或緊張4G是不是會停了會停止服務 |
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有没有这个事情没有没有这个事情4G跟5G因为这个在技术上面上是标的虽然是5G的频谱了可是4G的服务其实还在持续这个应该是4G跟5G他讲的是技术了对对对我应该问的是那个支费的方案没有没有我只是问你说4G的服务不可以停止 |
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這個1000多萬怎麼可能因為你的電信公司在促銷或者在推廣的時候他的那個語氣會讓民眾覺得好像一副4G快不行了要大家都去改5G這個就是市場為什麼會有這個題目會跑出來消費者為什麼會擔心可能你要跟電信公司稍微再溝通一下不要造成這個誤解我覺得所以本席今天在這裡公開問你就是要從NCC的嘴巴告訴所有的消費者 |
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沒有這件事情喜歡5G的人就去辦5G因為資費那麼高嘛我們一般市井小民學生這些年輕朋友如果你的經濟能力有壓力的你辦4G絕對沒有問題可以繼續用那對於特殊需求的這些資費方案目前都還在持續當中對對對所以你這個要讓大家清楚喜歡5G的人可以說喜歡4G他還是有保障住啦然後呢這個接下來這個纜線那個 |
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部長 這個纜線現在目前有三條正在修復當中對不對就是這個EAC-1 TDM-2跟TSE-1對不對三條纜線在修復中委員您現在應該是本部網站網頁上的資料對對對對那這三條纜線在修復中目前沒有修如果還沒修復完成之前對誰的衝擊最大 |
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報委員目前為止台馬二號部分完全不用擔心因為台馬三號可以完全的替代掉所以完全不用擔心那至於EAC-1跟TS-E1的話TS-E1剛剛已經跟委員報告過那只是中間一根心斷而已因為他大概十二星到六星也完全沒受影響那EAC-1的部分也有替代的路由所以大概目前為止影響不大 以上報告 |
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好 那既然這樣我現在有一點搞混就是看起來好像都沒什麼影響那這三條到底要做什麼 |
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那不修會怎麼樣就是說我們把它修好了什麼就會變怎麼樣不修看起來我聽你們回答好像三條不修好像也不會怎樣這個基本上都是備援就像我們那個打棒球有一些板墊球員然後有人受傷了就換一個上去所以其實簡單講不修我們的備援就有問題 |
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是不是這樣但現行對我們消費者使用上面現行這此刻的狀態沒有任何太大的影響但備援很重要備援很重要那最後一個問題那什麼時候你們預計什麼時候可以修復除了第一條這個東亞交會這個是114年11月28嘛你們預計修復日期嘛對不對是那其他兩條你寫評估中是怎麼樣是 |
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報告委員因為所有的海嵐在維修的時候都需要靠海嵐的國外的海嵐船團那這需要他們的評估因為國際上不是只有我們沒關係你只要大約告訴我譬如說一年內可不可以修復我只能跟委員報告說目前為止我看到的資料海嵐曾經在半年之內有維修的最長大概到半年之內會維修完成好這是最最最最長的最長對最長所以應該再怎麼樣也不可能拖到一兩年以上 |
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當然有時候有時候海象的關係啊那就是禁訴啦備援對國安也很重要啦好謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝蔡其昌委員發言完畢先做一下宣告徐富奎委員發言完畢之後休息十分鐘請各黨團助理告知其他還沒有發言的委員徐富奎委員發言完畢之後休息十分鐘現在請陳樹業委員發言 |
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謝謝主席 請主席邀請速發部林部長 |
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部長早我們知道在這個資訊化的時代這個海底電纜可以說是這個通訊的很重要的一個基礎設施基礎設備那我們也知道台灣因為是一個海島所以我們仰賴這個海底電纜更是非常的一個不可或缺台灣分別有14條的國際海纜登陸 |
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那另有六條連結台澎金馬這個離島的國內海纜那我們也看到台灣約99%的網路頻寬都要靠這個海纜所以海纜的這個重要性可以說如同台灣的這個數位生命線那我們也知道就是說最近幾年也發現這個海底電纜就是常常有損壞或是被破壞的一個狀況就是會嚴重的影響到這個 |
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就是說一般的話就是民生的問題這個民眾可能就是ATM沒有辦法去領款或者是包括沒辦法看影片這個日常的這種生活受影響可是更重要的是有關這個經濟貿易國際貿易或者是軍事的資訊的傳輸等等這個都會受到很大的一個影響所以我們今天委員會排審的這幾個法案事實上應該都是針對要怎樣去確保這個 |
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海底電纜的這個安全來進行的這個修法那我想先請教部長就是說針對這個海底電纜的這個安全的部分那速發部就是說是否有針對登陸我國的這個國際海纜或者是國內海纜進行風險的評估或者是說有沒有去想過要怎樣規劃優先保護區的一個劃設 |
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是對於這個海嵐的安全我們基本上是分為事前事中以及事後那這三方面來管理首先就是在那個海嵐發生斷裂的這種狀況之前就是沒有狀況的時候我們要做好監控然後我們要做好各種備援就是加強這個韌性譬如說我們會把現在新設的海嵐我們加上盔甲 |
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然後把那個新設的海纜埋得也比較深以前埋得比較淺現在埋得比較深那另外就是適中就是如果發現海纜斷掉的話那我們必須立即啟動這個備援設施因為我們知道我們除了那個光纜本身就會有很多條彼此可以備援以外另外我們有那個微波國內譬如說台灣跟馬祖有微波那另外還有我們低軌衛星中軌衛星甚至於是同步衛星這個都是備援 |
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然後我們在事中我們必須盡快的把這個備援把它放上去讓民眾的使用網路不受影響然後在事後我們就是最重要是要究責那今天我們之所以會提出這個法案的修訂就是想要究責這部分我們必須把那些壞人抓起來那有責任就有責任然後他如果是用他的船來進行這個破壞我們就要把他的船扣押起來這樣子 |
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那些對於境外敵對勢力的那個灰色襲擾我們就有更強力的武器我們知道海嵐發生故障一般就是自然的裂化另外一個就是外力的一個破壞剛剛部長也有答詢就是說事前一個準備就是加強 |
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的保護加上防護的一個設備我們也看到就是說根據監察院的報告揭露從2019年到2023年間我國的海嵐就一共發生了約36起外力損壞的一個事件 |
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是平均每年約7起那2023年就高達12件可以說是近5年來的高峰那我們也看到就是觀光今年2025年上半年我國遭受到這個海嵐的損害的狀況 |
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國內海欄就有三起那國際海欄就有兩起這樣子的一個損害的一個狀況那所以在就是不管是自然劣化或者是說被外力破壞之後剛剛部長有答詢到就是微波的一個支援或者是就是備援 |
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或者是修復這個都非常的一個重要我想請教一下就是說我們看到在2023年2月就是馬祖的海域短短的6天之內就是有連續兩條的海嵐遭受破壞我們看到的資訊是說讓這個馬祖陷入了長達50天的網路黑暗期 |
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之後我們也看到這個資料說這個台馬二號海欄遭到破壞是花費了四個月二十三天才完成修復那剛剛部長打到說這個微波備援那為什麼微波備援還會讓馬祖陷入長達五十天的網路黑暗 |
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我們有微波備援所以事實上馬祖的網路並沒有全斷只是他的頻寬比較小一點這一點是不是請謝委員因為以前我們第一次在蘇巴部剛成立的時候我們就發現到這個問題所以當時的馬祖備援只有9.6G |
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所以是不足就對了對不足那我們已經擴充到12.6了所以現在他們高峰大概在11 12左右所以可以完全的備援那今年的話我們也在爭取預算希望明年再進一步的擴充容量以上報告是好所以這個部分就是說是可以解決的就對了就是說在海底電如果發生被外力破壞斷掉了那我們的備援未來是可以來補上的就對了 |
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是而且我們現在也在建設那個台馬4號的光纜預計在明年6月其實現在距離現在大概只有8個月應該就會完成了所以有台馬4號那個海纜以後這個我們的備援就更多了這個我們通訊跟馬祖之間的通訊韌性就會更加的改善 |
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另外我再請教一下就是說我們在台馬二號海欄被破壞之後我們是花費了四個月二十三天才完成修復為什麼會花這麼多的時間因為那個海欄斷掉這個事情並不是 |
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並不是經常持續性會發生所以各個那個那個海嵐的營運公司都必須去找那個海嵐修復船然後這海嵐修復船的調度有時候就是比較困難那我們這件事情我們也在想辦法那個加強是不是請我們任信司司長說明 |
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謝謝委員的推詢 那海岸維修確實是一個國際性的問題 目前我國大概加入兩個船團 一個是有購哈馬爾船團 一個是東南亞印太的船團那大概有60艘船來做維修 但是因為全球在做 這個區域在全球的調度所以事實上調度有點困難 那明年的話我們也爭取預算 希望能夠來加速維修 意味著說如果業者能夠在我們的平均水準以下 以上能夠加速維修的話 我們就給予適當的補助 適當的誘因來希望業者能夠加速來維修 以上報告 |
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是因為我們知道海嵐被破壞維修就是因為我們剛剛有回覆說是加入兩個維修的船區那可是他的排序就是會以這個可能是以股東的那個投資的比例或者是說國際海嵐為優先 |
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國內的海欄可能會被排在後面所以這個對我們國家的這樣子的一個就是數位的韌性也是一個很大的一個隱憂等於是不是我們在這個修復的這個我們如果沒有一個主控權的話我們是不是就受制於人所以是不是說對於面對這樣子的困境我們要怎樣去強化國內海欄的安全維護跟維修我們有沒有可能自己有一部這個海欄的維修船 |
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是因為海纜維修船應該是很貴而且不是經常在使用所以我們現在認為說是還是加入船團那個所謂船團就是世界幾個國家的那個海纜公司他共用幾艘船那如同我們任性司司長剛剛所講的現在有六有六艘船那這個六艘船我們當然是希望儘快的調度那另外我們剛剛也講到就是我們會有一個獎勵措施就是如果他修復的速度更快的話我們就會給他更多的 |
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因為我們就是說以這個台馬二號的修復的例子來看因為花了這麼多的長的時間四個多月然後因為修復的業者又遭受到中國海巡船的干擾所以也棄標了所以我覺得說面對這樣的困境我們應該要去思考怎樣來強化我們自己維修的一個量能才不會說受制於人 |
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因為我們覺得就是說對於整個海南安全防護網的一個強化跟建構非常重要因為這是關係到我們整個國家的一個安全是 謝謝委員的指導 謝謝好 謝謝陳樹業委員發言完畢現在請徐富奎委員發言徐委員發言完畢之後休息十分鐘 |
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謝謝主席 有請我們交通部陳部長還有蘇發部林部長 請林部長 航港局葉局長 請葉局長 |
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兩位部長 局長早安我想我們臺灣目前有十條國內的海欄跟十四條的國際海欄擔負起這個對外通訊很重要的一個任務但是因為最近這三年平均每年就發生七到八次的一個斷纜事件我想這是很嚴重的一個事情 |
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尤其今年初又連續在兩個月之內發生了四起那當然剛剛數位部林部長有提到我們有做一些很好的一個備援的處理機制不過我想這個再怎麼樣的好的一個備援機制我們還是要先預防這樣一個被破壞的情形產生是 |
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那所以我想我們目前有收集到 目前我們有三個外界的一個建議作法 今天特別跟兩位部長來討論一下第一個部長 有沒有可能我們在這個海嵐經過的路線上面我們劃定一個帶重的走廊而且加強空中跟海上的一個巡邏 限制海域活動 確保海嵐安全那這部分因為有牽扯到漁業或經濟活動 有沒有辦法做這樣的一個規範 是 |
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委員這個因為會涉及到一般船舶的這個航行狀況所以我們必須要審慎一點來評估這件事但是委員的這個建議很好我們現在來評估看看有沒有這樣的可能性但是我剛剛有說過就是怕會影響到一般船舶的這個航行我們還是要確保一般船舶航行的這個順暢所以這個還是要可以來討論看看來研議看看 |
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那第一個我想過去那個航港局的葉局長我有跟他提到說我們很多的權益輪這自由在這個海上很可疑那針對這部分我們有沒有做進一步的掌握這個管制的一個清單我們現在有一個黑名單的這個清單那目前我們也有做管制那包含入港的部分我們也會做管制那如果是黑名單的部分離我們太近我們也會請海巡來協助我們當然會先請他離開那他如果沒有離開我們會請海巡來協助 |
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好 那第三個我們可不可能建立一個智慧的一個自動化的一個示警機制當這個船隻 可以船隻接近這個敏感水域的時候就會 我們就會掌握到這樣一個預警的一個機制讓我們相關的部會能夠有所防範 |
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有沒有辦法做這個目前中華電信有這個建制這個自動的市井的這個設備是那我們會把我們這個船的這個航機啊也就是透過AIS的方式我們藉機到海巡那也讓中華電信這邊能夠知道那大家有串聯在一起也就是說可疑船隻移動到那附近的時候滯留的時候移到那邊然後滯留的時候我們就會有一個啟動的機制 |
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部長我想我們當然最重要先要讓海瀾七法通過 我們有一個相關的法源但是我想跨部會的一個合作更重要不要各自為政 應該要趕快去做一套的一個預防的機制然後防寒與未然 加強我們那個海瀾韌性謝謝 林部長請回答 謝謝 |
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我想你有去過小琉球好幾次啦那當然現在目前小琉球是我們臺灣目前很夯的一個觀光景點一年大概湧入了將近超過120萬的一個遊客量那因為過去我們也很感謝我們交通部的支持我們在沿流線我們有一個海洋園區 |
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水噹噹 大家都很忙但是相對性現在東港到琉球這個東流線的碼頭這個環境真的比較擁擠而且加熱的時候遊客要趴在頭那我知道我們香港局應該有提出一個更新的一個計畫那部長願不願意來支持這個計畫 |
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報告委員 目前很感謝我們的這個屏東縣政府已經有在跟我們演繹這樣子的計畫 也跟航空港局開過好幾次會 那葉局長也親自到了屏東跟這個屏東縣政府在開會那我們交通部的立場是當然支持 可以協助這個部分我們會盡量努力那目前等計畫寫好 我印象中現在應該是在部裡面審查在部裡面審查那我們會加速這個審查的速度那希望趕快核定 之後趕快來做建制 |
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部長 這個要特別拜託啦 我想我們周縣長一直很關心這個案子那尤其我想我們在發展觀光的這個這個路徑上面 琉球的這條航線真的是很重要那為了遊客啦 還有我們琉球鄉親這個使用上的一個很方便的一個一個管道啦 是 但是現在也有幾個問題要請部長幫忙第一個 部長有沒有知道我們這個這個棟溜線也有海盜船這件事情 |
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這個我知道 縣長之前有說過那個港的這個地理環境的問題還有就是它應該是出海口東海通港溪的這個出海口然後還有淤積的問題海底的這個問題也是個問題所以那個地方的浪會特別大所以船在進出港的時候會有像委員這個照片上所寫的海盜船的狀況 |
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那清瘀是優先必須要趕快做的那航港局也有補助給這個縣政府來做這個清瘀的動作大概明年的二月就可以完成這個清瘀那我相信這個海盜船的現象可以做一部分的改善 |
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部長我們不是只有希望一次性的清淤啦這個會變成一個長年性的 它這個長線的部分應該有提出計畫而且它那個 這個部分我們會盡量來協助你如果沒有清淤 它那個水位Propela 螺旋槳會打到啦是是是 會造成船體的損害目前我們已經補助一千兩百六十萬那後續還有一個七千一百二十八萬的這個計畫我們會整個合併起來跟後壁湖的交通碼頭改善的這個案子大家並在一起做 |
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部長那一樣後壁湖的部分也要拜託我們一樣我們因為未來後壁湖的遊客量也很大而且他是橫春到蘭嶼很重要的一個航線這部分也要拜託部長一起來支持沒問題另外我想那個漂流木的問題也是要去面對解決當然我知道這個交通部跟漁業署應該也要找個時間來討論這樣的一個處理機制不然每次遇到風太大 |
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我們的航道也受影響或是卡在這個小破塊上面也要看一看我想這部分應該趕快來做處理這個部分可能也要拜託那個農業部漁業署這邊大家一起來幫忙 |
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部長有這個農業部跟這個他們我都有溝通過 還有水利署我都有溝通過但是就是他們會覺得說這個主政單位還是在交通部可是那很像是漁港因為剛好你們就是你們也有啦 水利署也有漁業署也有啦 交通部的部分能幫忙的部分我們一定會做 |
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好 那另外我想東港今年有發生一個波特船的一個意外那這部分部長我想我們還是要趕快訂定一個相關的規範因為過去波特船的部分說今天他不用這隻就可以去處理很多很多我們的鄉親遊客會利用這樣的一個管道去處理其實真的很危險 是是 |
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那我也跟漁業署也溝通過這個事情那因為這個會牽扯到有漁業署也有航港局還有觀光署還有地方政府的權責問題也應該要趕快來釐清我們都不希望意外發生部長願意支持這樣一個修法的方向嗎我們會朝向開始納管的這個方向那目前林明新政委跟這個馬永成政委目前正在協調這件事情那航港局的立場是希望未來以傳播的這個形式用傳播法的形式來做一個列管的動作 |
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好 部長我們樂見其成要趕快去進行那最後我想部長這個很喜歡到屏東嘛對 我想屏東我們也是積極在發展因為我們是三面環海我們有臺灣海峽有巴士海峽有太平洋那當然遊艇的一個一個遊騎的一個行為我們很樂觀其成但是因為現在卡到相關的法令還有船舶位的不足的問題是 |
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那部長這個後續我們在我們幾個這個相關的一個建制的一個遊港的一個條例還有草案還有相關的設施的部分能不能做怎麼樣一個規劃 |
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好 報告委員這個部分我們會積極來辦理我們也希望可以發展這個遊艇的觀光那過去的四年其實航港局結合觀光署已經補助了14場的這個遊艇類的活動那至於法制面的部分如何讓它完善這個部分交通部會來努力 |
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部長我要提出一個數字2014年遊艇的數量是200艘10年後2024年已經到1500多艘可能大家對這個海洋很嚮往那也是這個我覺得這也是另外一個很好的一個油氣環境但是我們相對性我們沒有建置一個這麼好的一個油氣的一個場域跟法規我想這未來都會受到限制大家一起來努力一起來努力 謝謝好 謝謝徐物凱委員發言完畢現在休息10分鐘 |
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所以現在那個斷制控制就沒有在用 |
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響鐘 |
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響鐘 |
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謝謝 |
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響鐘 |
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谢谢大家 |
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響鐘 |
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哎呀 |
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響鐘 |
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谢谢大家 |
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響鐘 |
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響鐘 |
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謝謝大家 |
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我在看那個自然而然的電腦 |
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好好 |
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繼續開會 現在請林郡縣委員發言感謝主席 本席邀請我們交通部陳部長 請陳部長韓正司長 韓正司有來 請司長 韓司長 |
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好委員好部長好部長我今天要提一下傳播法修法的事情是你現在看了這個照片上面有寫日期有應該是2024年的6月26號去年當時本席就是質詢這個傳播法是傳播法我要求 |
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如果為了我們要發展所謂的海洋海洋相關事業那過去的傳播法實在有一點實在太保守了這根本完全沒有辦法符合我們現代國家發展的需要我記得那個時候行政司給我的答覆葉協榮你在這裡 |
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你現在是港港局長你當時給我的答案是三個月內要把傳播法的修法草案送到給交通部你忘記了喔送了一年半2024年的6月26號你當時就這麼答應你看我這個照片後面我寫的執行的東西我今天一樣同樣問你當時你們也認為 |
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因為我們非自用的遊艇就是未來要發展所謂的海洋觀光現有的船舶法它的規定就是要A點上船 A點下船對不對我當時有請教我們航空局的意見你說 |
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這個如果以現況來講以實際的需要當然是A點上你來點下應該都可以對不對我如果從台北上船那我要坐到台中 坐到台南當然可以還有這個遊艇購物也是我們出去觀光旅遊就除了旅行以外這觀光相關產業 |
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這個商業行為那麼多元你又把它綁了實質的你到別的地方下船你不能買東西帶上船那這個怎麼使用所以啊 我記得當時啊局長你有說要修法一年半的時間啊 過去啦你當時給我答應是三個月草案送交通部 現在送擋板那現在到底是什麼情況 |
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跟委員報告因為這次的修法的版本因為涉及還有包括離岸風電還有這個非常多的課題那修正的條文大概高達40幾條那我先前跟委員報告我們要送布的部分事實上我們是有送那因為修正的條文比較多那經過布的審查那有還回來局裡再檢討我們這個月會再重新報布我們會再加速 |
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那一年半了好 包委員這部分我們會再加速那因為這一次把好 那我問你 那你修法方向 |
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學校方向就是照先前跟我們報告的就是把這個遊艇現在因為因為現在傳播法有要求遊艇只能供娛樂使用不能做這個客貨的這個運送那以至於會有解釋說你要A點上一定要回到A點下的這個限制那現在我們要草案已經把它修正了那要解除鬆綁這個限制那 |
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而且非自用遊艇我們改成營業用的遊艇讓它更上軌道讓它更有多元的營業的一個彈性你有包括購物嗎這個部分也有把它包括進來它不會以為是貨物的運送以至於有觸法的問題 |
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你看這樣一綁 綁一個草案就一綁一個修法就一年半你還說要發展什麼海洋觀光什麼台灣四面方海我們要向海致敬台灣人就這樣 台灣就是近海不親海 |
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四邊都是海我們根本跟海洋一點親近關係都沒有當然有一些歷史上的嚴格過去獨裁時代不給你下海全部封鎖起來現在已經台灣民主化這麼多年我們喊海洋觀光也喊了那麼多年一個最基本你沒有法就把自己綁得死死的 |
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你這邊不處理的話講什麼海洋觀光根本亂講不可能不可能去做嘛是不是希望請加農部這裡也加油一下好不好這個部分沒問題因為已經部這邊有看過了啦那目前有些修正我們趕快把它修過那部這邊加速審議然後趕快修訂好 謝謝陳部長接下來我要請事務發部林部長那陳部長請先休息 |
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委員好部長好 林部長現在我們今天在關心那個海嵐的問題而且海嵐你知道現在是國家的重大的基礎設施那我看過去幾乎每一年我們都有海嵐會被受到破壞那有的是不小心我看絕大多數都是刻意的重大嫌疑都是刻意來破壞我們的海嵐那這種未來的破壞 |
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8709.34 |
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我覺得你也很難避免那我們就是要如何去面對你要面對它 你要防範它以及破壞以後那我們怎麼辦那這個部分蘇花部這裡有沒有因為以前的事權很分散不知道這個海欄到底屬於誰那現在大概就直接把這個工作來請蘇花部要來負責 對不對 |
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好 那柏中你現在有什麼想法OK 關於海嵐的那個防護我們分成事前事中事後的處理我們三方面都會加強就是在事前就平常我們要加強備援的建置然後加強韌性就是我們現在新設的海嵐我們會加上那個盔甲就是然後會埋得比較深以前埋得比較淺現在會埋得比較深然後我們會加強監控然後在事中就是一旦發生了這個事情 |
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我們要儘速的啟動備援我們備援基本上分成幾種一個是海欄本身就會有備援再來就是我們有微波然後再來有那個衛星然後在事後我們最重要是要救責所以我們這次就是我們提出這個法案的修正就是希望能救責就是到如果有人來破壞 |
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那我們就趕快把他抓起來把他傳播扣下來讓他以後不敢再做這個事情基本上這個海蘭的破壞已經變成國際事件了因為尤其在歐洲也很嚴重甚至直接關聯到是否是俄烏戰爭的影響所以在今年的世界經濟論壇WF2025年全球網際安全展望裡面特別提到海蘭 |
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針對海欄以及通訊衛星這兩個部分一個在海底一個在空中有提出了所謂的連空中衛星也會受到攻擊海欄也會受到攻擊變成一種國際上大家一起來合作增強安全和韌性那台灣要準備好了我剛剛給你很長時間給你政令宣導謝謝 |
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跟委員那個建議其實弱核伏擊我們的想法都是第一個我覺得這個海南我大概提三點我們是否應該來像有些國外它是畫色海南保護區重要的地方我乾脆就禁止你 |
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不准有漁船 商船就是有一個保護區第二個我們要提升自主維修能力沒事我們海南斷了就趕快開國際標趕快請國外的船那也發生因為中國的阻撓本來我們開國際標是韓國的得標結果韓國的修復船 |
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棄標 放棄了因為中國的干擾是 來騷擾那我們自己又沒有自主維修能力那怎麼辦所以我們是不是要有建立自主的維修能力第三就是我們要跟自由民主國家大家來合作融入區域的聯防體系是 |
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特別請部長 這個部分我們應該多加努力非常謝謝委員的指導 我們會朝這個方向努力 謝謝謝謝主席 謝謝部長謝謝林俊憲委員發言完畢現在請許智傑委員發言葉主席 我們先請韓港局長請葉協榮局長 |
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委員好菲律賓巴丹島的漁船漂流到蘭嶼 是 那這個可以讓他們開回去嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
對 各位報告這艘漁船我們了解他的動力並不是很大那在這樣因為蘭嶼距離這個菲律賓大概有100海浬左右那照我們的這個專業的判斷比較建議他是用拖船的部分把他拖帶回去是相對安全那這個具體的做法就是說 |
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| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
可以由這個第三工政單位那找到適合的拖船那這個認證這個拖帶的這個計畫是安全的那就可以啟動這個拖帶的這個所以這個有沒有航權的問題不知道沒有沒有航權的問題沒有沒有所以沒有航權問題如果那拖船是安全的問題是那如果說這一艘船的動力還在 |
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那船長也自己檢查動力沒有問題那他自己想開回去因為你拖船的費用跟自己開回去的費用會差很多嘛那如果他動力檢查沒問題 |
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他自己想開回去這樣可以嗎是 包委員這個部分就是經過這個專業的這個傳播的驗證機構來確認這個四行性沒有問題這部分也我們 |
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也沒有排斥那這個部分我們可以協助這個外籍漁船來這個推進國內的這個專業的檢驗機構他來是不對他被颱風從巴丹島吹過來我們南宇 |
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也不是他故意的要開的了解只是說真的他們自己也找很久了才找到說原來吹到我們蘭嶼公告是所以這誤導誤撞把這艘船吹到台灣來 |
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那當然就是說以船主因為前天我有碰到那個船東那個船東他們自己是想說他們希望最希望的就是自己可以開回去不用那麼花那麼多錢來把他拖回去那可能四航性的部分我們再協助他們對我是這樣建議就是說 |
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船他最清楚他自己引擎或者是他平常就在開這一艘船他如果自己去檢查好然後寫下切結書就說他檢查安全沒有問題或者甚至說出海以後安全他自己會考量 |
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他自己會負責那我們就相信他是傳統對於自己的判斷他也有寫下切結書不要說是在海上出了問題又怪說我們台灣沒有負道義責任 |
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如果這樣子的情況之下是不是有可能讓他回去細部的作業方式是不是容許我們再跟傳東這邊再討論那基本上以不盡量不增加他的負擔的原則安全的原則下讓他順利能夠返回菲律賓好這個謝謝局長謝謝委員我們請部長請部長 |
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委員好部長再來這個可能就跟交通部跟觀光有關那我是覺得還有跟文化有關這個可能就請部長來做一個思考就是說包單島的那個省長正好前天來台灣 |
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那我也跟他碰了面那他們巴丹島很有趣巴丹島的那個語言跟我們蘭語的語言大概有60%是一樣的所以他們也認為說其實我們是蘭島語系的龍虎老大嘛所以他們就是以前應該是跟我們同我們蘭語是一樣的 |
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應該是那樣子的概念所以他們希望有機會可以啟動蘭嶼跟巴丹島的航海計畫而且是用傳統的蘭嶼的拼板舟傳統蘭嶼的拼板舟大概都是10個人划因為這個航程有145公里他們可能會做一個更大的船大概20個人的然後3組人去輪流划 |
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那就是要做蘭嶼跟巴丹島的三百年之後的首航所以其實這個對於台灣跟菲律賓的這個關係其實我是覺得不管是文化 歷史 原住民族那兩國之間的互動 |
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我覺得這個都是相當有意義甚至他們省長那天也說希望將來的觀光交流可以更多所以這個部分現在當然 |
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現在就是初始的省長意願很高那我們這一邊就說前天我是跟吳立華委員還有原住民族基金會的董事長跟接待他們這個巴丹島的省長還有他們一團有很多的團員副省長市長議會委員會的委員那包括這個傳統 |
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所以我們其實前天的兩個問題一個問題就是解決船東可以順利把船開回去或運回去他們自己的這是他的東西希望能夠有機會來協助他們回去那第二個就是說我們這一個兩國的交流我們原來就是都是屬於男女巴單他們應該是同一個種族同一個民族的一個交流那這個部分 |
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那個部長是不是請觀光署一起更來大力的協助 |
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跟委員報告我看您上面所寫的就是說他們希望用那個拼板舟能夠做守航那這個部分當然如果是原民會有認定認定說他們這個船確實是可以這樣航行的話那就由原民會去認定我們就來配合那試航的部分可能還是需要找一個機構去確定是試航上是可以的就是安全講快一點就是安全那我們就會盡量來配合 |
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因為我想說蘭嶼跟高雄跟巴丹正好變成一個三個可以串在一起的文化景點那未來那個援助民主博物館也會在我們高雄這邊蓋現在應該明年驗警館就會蓋好那後續會陸陸續續來完成這個援助民主驗警館這個援助民主驗警館就是在整個蘭島嶼西的龍頭老道的定位要去蓋的所以將來可能不管是 |
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當然就是有關於外交的部分不是部長的統籌但是就是那個觀光的部分也跟那個不知道有沒有到時候有什麼航權航海 航港局可以協助的就請部長也知道這件事情盡力來幫忙好 我們交通部盡力來協助時間到了 |
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好最後一句話那個請部長交代一下那個高雄的觀光那個郵輪希望能夠再加強好那下次比較多時間再問好我們持續努力謝謝委員好謝謝許智傑委員發言完畢現在請陳雪生委員發言 |
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主席各位同仁大家早安請蘇發部林部長請林部長部長早10月7號10月28號我們台馬2號海欄斷了是10月7號的時候是 |
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在公海上我們12星的2號海嵐有兩星斷裂不然有個問題老共那邊跟我聯絡他這個2號海嵐是一條漁船勾到另外一條漁船的錨不小心弄斷了大概現在已經和解了 |
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那我們在公海上這種海欄今天修法也修到這個只是加重那以後在公海上他們也把我們的船弄走你看怎麼樣怎麼辦在公海上把我們的船弄走他的也是海軍單位海警也把我們的船弄走這個問題就來了引發相當大的糾紛 |
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現在我們的飛機是我們的輪船因為有國籍的問題是我們行駛在公海上等於是國籍的一個延伸是不是是沒錯那海嵐呢海嵐的問題它在海上是那是過失或是蓄意的破壞當然蓄意破壞都很嚴重是這個海嵐當然財產是屬於我們國家的 |
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應該是屬於民間運營的公司現在海嵐大部分都是中華電信等民間的公司你們修法的時候注意到這個刑度刑法你把它加重或是幹什麼 |
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這個會不會有國際上的一個衍生的一些法律上的問題是這個你要注意喔是 了解因為這一次這個臺馬二號海欄是這吳姓船長是他來我們地檢署也沒有收押他是沒有是只是海軍帶上來以後他還是可以自由活動了是那他的說法當然不是蓄意的是我想很像檢方我看到檢方的起訴書 |
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也是這麼寫但是你把他起訴了起訴他在公海上那老公不認帳呢我也問過他們也向海基會也向陸委會在當地的機構提出來請他們協助他無法協助所以現在問題海基會跟大陸委員會的功能現在不當 |
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是卻要靠我們民意代表去跟對面去協調當然對面也是很緊張啦因為是他們的人民嘛是 謝謝委員現在另外我請問就是說是海嵐2號這個有寫吧距離在淡水淡水100多海里的部分是10月8號一次10月27號一次是那這個海嵐斷了現在修復的情形怎麼樣 |
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OK 首先要報告一下我們請慶幸師師長報告謝謝委員吹詢 那基本上現在中華電力在評估中但是我們已經請中華電力儘速評估一個日期出來那以往例子大概在180天之內大概可以修復完成 多少天最晚的狀況是180天 大概是半年但是180天 現在1號海嵐用了2號海嵐用了快30年了 是 |
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也準備要淘汰了是 沒錯所以我們也補助中華電力在建台馬4號那預估明年大概6月可以完工現在是台馬3號在運作是 沒錯現在我給馬祖打電話這個通訊還是不是很好 |
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斷斷續續的有時候你們去檢查一下看看好不好好的但是目前臺馬3號完全可以替代臺馬4號是沒問題的我跟縣長打電話打到一半沒聲音了再等一下聲音又出來了斷斷續續的這什麼原因我就不知道因為我不是技術人員也不是專業的你去查查看好不好那目前就靠臺馬3號在運作吧 |
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臺馬三號當然二號也接到臺馬三號目前是沒有什麼大問題臺馬四號海嵐我再問一次明年是不是如期完工 |
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到目前為止一切都是按照計畫在進行按照合約是這樣對 按照合約是這樣那合約會有狀況啊是 但是我們已經要求生化電力能夠儘速的催促業者能夠儘速的完工那我知道你不僅是要求他你要去了解狀況是 我們會去了解狀況要求是要求我也在這邊要求啊 是不是但你要去了解實際的進度是這個才是很重要的是 沒錯 這是我們的職責因為我怕 |
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是你職責也是我職責大家都可以講嘛是不是但你要去了解實際的進度看看市長打個電話跟我講一下好不好是我們報告委員確實我們每次都在盯這個案子那我也要求中華電信警署跟業者看有什麼需要我們來協助我們都會盡量的協助當然我現在是怕海嵐山如果再斷的話那就炸鍋了當然還有微波微波已經到100多了嘛是不是 |
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100多的問題還是會有問題啊是當然我還是很緊張啊因為以前有兩個海欄嘛是不是2號3號在維持那還不錯但是這有問題好不好好還有就是這個新臺馬倫明年1月份要稅休是請問一下那個Wi-FiWi-Fi的工程計畫有沒有那個錢有沒有準備到位了 |
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是 這請任卿思市長謝謝委員存尋關心馬祖的地方建設目前為止大概中華電影會做 那我們一定會針對這個案子去做補助動作所以這個部分預算已經扣留下來了謝謝委員好 那謝謝 謝謝部長注意一下好不好 是 剩下一分鐘時間是不是請一下我們交通部長還有航空局局長請部長 局長委員好 |
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部長我剛在電視上看葉局長頭髮斑白很像看起來比我還老我很心疼一個官員操勞到這個地步我們公務人員有時候確實很辛苦多給他鼓勵好不好好 |
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現在是不是請說明一下我們四鄉五島港附建設尤其是東莒的部分東莒因為那個地方冬天馬上來了那個地方東北地方飛來強東莒的進度怎麼樣了現在我請葉局長回答好好謝謝 |
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好 各位報告東莒的 我們近期有這個很具體的成果第一個就是東莒的蒙澳後船市在今年的5月已經啟用了全新的後船市我知道 我想浮動碼頭對 浮動碼頭部分各位報告因為外擴防波堤已經做好了所以我們在7月3號浮動碼頭已經開工了那東莒的蒙澳預計在116年會完工 |
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開工是沒錯 你還是要注意他的進度好不好是是 我們會明確注意因為你隨便一個風浪隨便一個風浪 這個來沒辦法施工你知道嗎我知道 那離島的施工環境的確是比較困難那我們會明確注意進度 跟惠隆縣政府不過謝謝葉局長 我對你是非常的滿意不只是一點點滿意 |
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那對你的滿意也延續到對部長的滿意這個有關係的 部長你好好照顧我們局長不要讓他太操啦那四鄉五島的這個港副建設的工程進度還是請局長這邊多費點心好不好還有一個就是這個一分鐘很快喔 趙偉小三通的船啦他的航運補貼還是有航運補貼的部分嘛 |
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還是請葉縣長回答我這個部分本來就有法規的這個規定是允許的那我們每年在預算也都有編列那他那個船南北幹的部分你不會把它扣在並記吧沒有我們沒有這個收入版因為橋歸橋路歸路對我們沒有這個他對大陸的是大陸的補貼嘛對不對是是是我們是個別審查 |
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好 這個也在辦了喔 有有有還有我們脫不頂的部分那個也在開始著手了嗎是是是有了喔 有有有好 因為時間到了謝謝部長 謝謝局長好 謝謝陳雪生委員也請航港局長不要太累謝謝 |
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9957.653 |
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謝謝陳雪生委員現在請廖先祥委員發言謝謝主席不好意思我還是要請韓港局長請葉協榮局長我們速戰速決 |
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學長好 這個野柳擱淺的這個案子先謝謝我們同仁這件案子算圓滿的結束了也沒有對當地的海洋造成污染雖然說時程大家可能會認為久了一點但其實這樣也沒有造成什麼實際的損害那這件事情包括後續的球場目前我們香港局的球場也都順利嗎 |
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報告委員因為整個的這個處置包括抽油跟船體的移儲都是由船東的保險公司PMI來做處置所以這個部分這個工部門基本上都沒有出到費用沒有出到費用但是緊急應變的部分緊急應變的部分我們有先動員了 |
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這個豐電的這個DP船那到現場先來做這個重機具的吊掛那這部分我們還在跟這個船東正在協商當中OK那這個保險公司也有一起 目前並沒有排斥這個給付這個費用那但是對這個給付的項目跟細節還在跟我們溝通 所以大宗的原則上保險公司都是直接他們直接支付也沒有請我們代出代付了沒有沒有 直接處理了 |
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對因為這個事實上整個移除的經費非常所以這個保險公司之前聽局長說也是算蠻守規矩的保險公司有盡到他們的責任跟義務那局長之前好像有聽您有提過未來所有我們關聯的船隻我們原本都要求他必須要有保險對不對那未來都會請不是 |
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未來就是不是只有針對有保險這件事情而是也是要針對他們的保險公司或許他保險公司可能有一個評級的一個評鑑等等的我們也都會來做保險公司的要求來符合後續如果說真的有意外發生的時候也都能夠像這一次這樣子的圓滿那保險公司負其他的責任而不是有些可能保險公司他可能是一個咳嗽前瞻的出事的時候不處理這樣子 |
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是 是 謝謝委員這個垂詢 那我們在今年的10月15號已經開始實施這個保險的新制那過去我們從111年的9月開始委託專業的保險顧問來進行實質的審查但是我們認為這樣發現這幾年來的經驗發現還不夠那對於這個城堡的保險公司還是要進一步確認他是 屢約的能力 |
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有離約能力的那我們10月15號開始14號這個新制就是要求是經過國際性評機構評等為Triple B以上的保險公司才可以來受我們進港傳播的這個城堡的保險公司即刻生效嗎還是會有緩衝期 |
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已經即刻 報告委員因為我們宣導了非常久我們從年初就開始宣導溝通所以本來是7月份要實施那因為有部分的行商他們需要緩通的時間所以延長了三個月那我們現在10月15號開始實施 |
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所以確定我們所有的船舶都是剛剛你講的有EEB以上的一個單機的現在就是以今年的統計10月份以前的進港船舶已經有97%都是投保EEB以上的保險公司只有3%大概121艘 |
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是還沒有轉到這個TRIPLE B的 那這個部分他們因為現在都沒有進港所以目前也沒有抵觸我們這個公告新的規定的情形 那我們會盡量輔導他們去投保這個合規的保險公司 避免以後萬一有海事案件發生不能賠償的情形 好 謝謝喔好 那就您就先休息那就部長 這個陳部長 抱歉抱歉 部長 |
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部長好那這個剩下的一些時間我想跟你討論一下這個行人通勤安全的問題然後今天只有你來所以你要獨挑大樑我們做一些討論而已就是我們應該是內政部的規定對於所有的人行道都有禁寬的限制大概就是1米5那如果說真的不行的那就是90那我們不要性行人行道也是一樣的一個參照內政部的規範嗎 |
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還是說我們標新人行道他是有另外的規定這個部分的規範都在內政部標新人行道的規範也在內政部因為我們實際上我想這個部長你也當過議員嘛對不對我也當過議員那有些地方的道路的情況非常的多元有時候想想你也不知道為什麼當初會是這個 |
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這個樣子但是我們後續要來提升行人安全的時候他常常有時候他的背景條件他可能沒有辦法做到醫務他可能沒有辦法做到90但是 |
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我們在做討論的時候這個一些基層的同仁他們可能就會反映說因為我們如果說我們要來做人的行動他就做不了嘛因為他怕說沒有符合規範的話那就就可能會被未來會被民眾投訴或是產生國賠之類的一些問題但是反而就變成問題就擱置在這一邊或許我們會認為說以這個從化區來講的話我們當然說希望他所有的一個標準都是要必須符合1米5這樣子的一個規範嘛對不對這個是在 |
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客觀的但是有時候老舊的一些巷弄甚至他可能不是計劃道路他就只是當初建築留下來的法控的一些繼承道路他可能劃不出來這麼多的空間但是當你劃不出來的時候難道就不劃嗎或者是說他中間有一根電桿他或許沒有地方一致的影響到他的進貫整條路可能100米中間有一兩根電桿那影響到他沒有辦法整條進貫都符合90公分以上這樣的規範就變成說 |
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寧願沒有因為他沒有辦法符合規範我們就寧願沒有我們就不去動他我覺得這樣對行人的保障其實也不是太正面的一些事情啦那對於這樣子的一些狀況部長你個人的一些看法呢委員有提出這樣的問題確實有些舊的市區那個巷道非常狹窄所以不太容易找到這樣子的空間 |
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那我會覺得如果地方上可以想出一些變通的方案即便是那個可能電線桿那個地方沒辦法化但前後有那行人過去閃一下或許有這個樣的機會那這個部分就法歸面怎麼讓基層的公務人員可以比較好去做這個我們想辦法我們知道做一定比較好 |
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但是做了可能沒有辦法符合法規那就變成說進退為難了是 我們大概會找內政部大家一起來商量還有地方政府我最近也會跟地方政府的一些交通首長大家會有開會那我們來就這個議題我們來討論一下應該是做一些討論就是說我們能夠符合法規我們一定要求政府機關做的東西一定要符合法規行人通行優先但是當我們做不到的時候 |
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不是因為法規的關係我們就擱置在那邊而是說我們知道法規在這邊但是因為客觀條件達不到但是我們還是要維護行人通行人安全那我們還可以做怎樣子的一個規劃跟妥協我覺得應該要授權地方在規劃的時候有一些指引授權他們有去做一些因地制宜的一些規劃好不好我們來討論一個變通的方案好再麻煩局長麻煩部長麻煩謝謝主席謝謝 |
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謝謝廖先祥委員發言完畢 現在請邱若驊委員發言謝謝主席 主席再反請航港局局長邱榮豪 |
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局長好 局長我們台灣是海島國家那海域的航道也是我們的經濟命脈因為能源97%是仰賴海域那貨物的貿易98%也是經由海域那所以船舶的安全還有港口的運作飲水制度是國際航運的信用根本那更關乎到國安可是近幾年我們接連看到海事事故接連發生那從外籍船舶碰撞 防波堤然後再到港區的作業失誤還有飲水過程的疏漏所以這樣都凸顯無關 |
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凸顯和提醒我國就是我們的航岸管理制度需要做檢討跟改善那有幾個首先要先和局長討論我們船東哲樂縣PNI的審查心智剛才廖先生委員也有問到嘛那我們每年有超過一萬三千艘的外籍船舶進出港口那其中九成以上是不是都是權宜船 |
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對 包委前一輪的部分的確是比例非常高比例非常高因為他們通常都是掛載成本比較低然後更審查寬鬆的國家那這樣的話安全就是取決於他船體還有航道的操作那我們剛才也我們也要討論就是事故後他可不可以透過PNI及時讓就是受損或是受害的單位還有環境可以可以獲得保障這很關鍵 |
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那這次的航港局 局長您剛才提到10月15號正式上路的PNI審查新制喔那剛剛您有提到Triple B那除了Triple B之外還有沒有其他的要求呢還是只要有這個Triple B的四大這個信用平件機構就夠了呢 |
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基本上Triple B在這個他是經過國際上的四大信用評等機構來確認他的履約的能力那基本上經過Triple B的這個認可依照我們專業保險顧問的建議認為他應該是有具有足夠的履約能力 |
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所以只要這個TRIPLE B他不用同時就是他也要我國合法的保險公司跟國際傳統這個互保協會嗎他同時不用具備這樣的條件嗎包委員我不好意思我再幫他仔細一下國內的產險公司也是我們這個許可的名單裡面 |
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所以比如說國內的這幾家產險公司都在我們現在公佈的49家名單裡面那本期想要請教請教局長那這個制度是不是真的能夠保障我們台灣呢還是因為我們進行的是所謂的實質的審查 |
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所以第一個保險公司他是要有旅業能力的第二個他的保單保單的項目跟他的保額都也要符合我們的要求所以保額的部分針對 |
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這個我們依照三港法要求的傳統責任險的部分是依照這個海商法的規定我們是依照他的噸位乘以162特別提款 局長我們來看就是運安會10月29號有公告一個調查報告針對台達二號液化天然氣船在台中港那時候他有觸碰到磅礡體的事件雖然 |
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表面上看起來他有這個保險制度可以依循但是後續的他的賠禮的時效還有跨國的追查還有機關的協調我想本席想這個是關鍵因為我們從去年然後到2023年2022年然後像是巴拿馬的散裝船他就是他停靠就是因為他動力失能停靠在台北港停靠在基隆港那同時2022年也有這個長翅輪 |
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他也是同樣是跨國的一個事件嘛那這樣這樣子的跨國的理賠程序通常要多久呢跨國的理賠程序其實是非常隆長那所以我們希望從源頭來處理起那這樣子跨國保險人跟受害方嘛那當時我們台灣是受害方那這樣子是由哪一個單位來做統籌 |
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如果是海事案件的這個港區內的部分是港務公司港區外的部分基本上就是所以港務公司作為主責單位嗎港區內港區內的海事案件是那本席想要請教請教局長剛才你有提到97%其實他這個比例是完成申報的比例還是他是實際上通過航港局主案你們去做核對的實質審查 |
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報告委員這個部分除了這個他是符合這個完成申報程序之外我們也完成實質的審查有實質的審查有實質的審查那我們公共委員報怎麼實質審查除了我們確定他的49家的名單內之外我們會去由專業的保險公司會去這個PMI |
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IG Club 我們叫國際的這個傳統護保協會的網站去查詢他這個確實是不是有這個保單是 局長您剛有提到你們從年初的時候就開始做宣導了那你們有沒有跟海巡署然後還有港股公司有沒有建立資料的互通 |
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有 報告委員 我們現在的這個保險的這個系統叫MTNET那進出港系統 這個已經跟開放權限給港公司跟海保署他如果可以直接查詢傳播的保險資料那另外請教局長 那針對高風險的船系像LNG船還是游船 化學船艇那你們有沒有就是有要求更高的保險額 還有更明確的他的限時賠償門檻 |
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有 除了我剛剛跟委員報告 航港局是依照海商法來要求這個保險的額度之外 海保署他依照海務法 針對高風險的船舶 包括LNG化學品船 郵輪這些高風險船 他們有另外的法規規定來提高較高的這個海務的責任的保險的額度 那我們的這個進港的這個保險額度的審查 |
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是航港局要求的這個額度再加上海報署的額度這兩個額度都要符合才能夠進港OK好謝謝局長說明那最後就是本期肯定就是我們航港局推動這個新的制度那希望就實際能夠落實那我們之後有沒有就會會不會建立一個就是完成的審查撐過呢就是一個報告機制 |
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報告委員這個部分我們可以來評估研究那因為我們剛開始上路實施我們現在做法是每一天都在這個監控有沒有這個違規的局長你有提到還有120多間121艘121艘你們還要再做輔導嗎那希望就是可以像是這樣子審查審查件數還是補正比例或是甚至是黑名單你們都可以完全的公開透明出來 |
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那最後時間的關係局長就是你們有提到C月上線的傳播智慧檢查系統號稱這套系統它結合AI的辨識還有風險預測可以提高預警高風險的傳播可是這個是不是根據過去資本資料的集合呢這套AI系統 |
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對 根本沒辦法我們這個新的智慧檢查系統有兩個主要的功能第一個是AI的影像辨識的技術它可以做這個那它能不能夠就是它辨識現在正在發生的航行紀錄 |
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這個是要看這個我們利用大數據分析的這個技術來預測這個傳播他可能的缺失項目那這個是利用他過去檢查記錄利用統計的理論跟大數據分析的記錄所以他意思是說他目前還沒有串聯即時AIS的航機或是他的傳播維修還有他的保養履歷嗎他們有沒有串聯起來目前還沒有 |
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那跨國事故跟扣船紀錄也同樣沒有被記錄在裡面委員這個建議我想是我們再進一步來是是是謝謝委員的寶貴建議謝謝秋若華委員發言完畢現在請王美惠委員王美惠委員王美惠委員不在現在請林國成委員 |
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林國成委員林國成委員不在現在請林倩琦委員林倩琦委員林倩琦委員不在現在請鍾嘉斌委員鍾嘉斌委員鍾嘉斌委員不在現在請何新淳委員發言 |
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好 謝謝主席李坤哲召委我們是不是請交通部陳部長以及香港局局長請陳部長 請葉局長 |
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部長好部長我今天談的是跟民生有關係的交通議題當然海濫七法很重要那我本席也有提案那希望未來可以並案審理那今天跟民生有關係的事在於我過去一直很關心這個行動電源的起火事故的問題包括之前我有要求你 |
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高鐵台鐵我們如何做所謂的應變緊急處理指引那包括航空當然航空是更嚴格的來所謂的管制這個行動電源的放置的一個處所那現在呢除了這個陸跟空之外還 |
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目前第一例10月31號發生然後11月1號有見報媒體有報導事故發生的當下的畫面也有揭露所以我就必須要問部長跟局長 |
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我知道航港局有在9月26日有公布一個我國海運客船乘客攜帶離電池含行動電源的注意事項9月26號我們公布了之後結果10月31號就發生問題請問一下部長第一個 |
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第一個我們公布了之後有做了什麼樣的措施來提醒要求這個不管是船公司也好或者是航線的運行之間的一個盤點也好或者是對旅客的宣導提醒也好我們做了哪些措施 |
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跟委員報告因為您一直在提醒跟關心這個議題所以我們幾乎所有的交通運具不管是軌道的運輸或者是航空的運輸或路上的運輸跟海上的運輸其實我們這樣子的注意事項都有提出來那並且透過每一個運具以船來講就是航商那我們請航商在客人要登船之前要做這樣子的宣導包含他們的櫃檯都必須要做這方面的宣導 |
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這個你們有稽查的或者是有什麼樣的機制來確定對 包委員這部分的確我們還要再加強那因為我們的這個注意事項發布的時間還不是那麼長那我這邊已經有請我們本局各航務中心要輔導要求航商一定要加強宣導那另外跟委員報告我們離島的航線我們還有海巡 |
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單位來檢查這個旅客的行李那個海巡的檢查行李是在所謂的安檢安全檢查嘛 對不對那對於這個所謂的行動電源因為我們現在手機都需要行動電源那有沒有在海巡的檢查裡面我認為應該沒有 |
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這個在不能拖運的部分是有的不能拖運的部分有沒有這個要講清楚喔因為在你們的質疑裡面那個它叫做什麼你們叫做注意事項對 注意事項不得拖運或者是放置在行李箱OK 那這樣的注意事項海巡今天有來對不對 |
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海巡講一下那剛剛局長葉局長所說的在安檢的過程裡面對這個行李的裡面的行動電源海巡的檢查機制是什麼 |
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包委員我們是負責國內有關上貨輪的貨物檢查但是依照海巡網我們偏重在犯罪就是安全檢查部分有關槍毒毒品這一方面所以行動電源還沒有在你們的安檢範圍裡面嘛對不對我們會再跟航空局再我們跟航空局再深入解決所以局長你你剛剛的回答所以我不是很滿意喔你說海巡也會檢查可是你看問了海巡海巡的檢查重點就不是在這裡嘛不好意思 |
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那我的意思是說這個你們橫向的聯繫要建立一個標準的流程因為你們既然已經在9月26號訂了一個注意事項那也已經說明清楚那所以第一個跟船公司就是航商那怎麼去要求他們要落實宣導跟提醒 |
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第二個 那海巡署這邊在做安檢的時候有沒有怎麼樣的一個時間點 角度Anyway 宣導提醒這個行動電源的安全放置的位置要隨身攜帶不可以放在行李裡面拖運這個我覺得你們兩邊第一個機制SOP要建立好 |
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這關係的這海上說真的發生事情的時候是不是那已經有首例產生了發生的問題所以我跟你講安檢的宣導安檢的SOP怎麼跟海巡署建立機制怎麼跟航商就是所有的船公司要求再來這個在你們的這個安檢的宣導影片使用 |
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還有未來未來當然是不希望發生可是發生的時候你們的緊急應變措施這個也是很重要的缺一不可來來 局長再給你機會再講清楚一點好 謝謝委員跟委員報告緊急應變的部分是我們定期都會去我們有定期要求航商要定期演練 |
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那我們的航空中心同仁也會定期不定期去查你要求船公司航商要定期演練那定期演練在過去你們的要求應該是發生什麼樣的問題那怎麼樣的因應但是行動電源叫做離電池離電池發生事故的時候它不能用水它也不是用一般的滅火器所以現在的航商船公司船上有沒有配置 |
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對應離電池或行動電源發生事故的相關的滅火設施 |
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對 跟委員報告這個部分因為我們是有特別委託驗傳中心來這個提供所以還沒嘛 對不對對 那這個部分就是跟委員報告就是我們後續要求這個航商演練的這個訓練呢我們會給他們專業指導那讓他們針對離電池萬一有這個失火情形要怎麼樣正確處置來加強這個相關的教育訓練 |
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來讓他們正確處置所以我當然感謝對海陸空行動電源的這樣子的一個事故的一個因應跟防應措施您也注重有採納我的建議那要求海陸空那現在看起來海運在航港局在海運的這一方面做得還不夠完整落實的層面我們要再加強 |
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對 9月26號有所謂的注意事項的頒布但是還沒有落實 這第一個第二個在每一個環節裡面不管是宣導或者是跟其他單位的橫向的聯繫的因應的一個SOP也還沒有建立第三個這個應變措施裡面 |
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還必須要再進一步的專業要求航商跟船公司那該有的這個什麼消防設施我們該補助或者是我們該要求就要嚴格要求是不是因為為什麼會提到這個不是只有行動電源是用離電池我們現在很多離島的鄉親如果說他要旅行或者是出入那他可能有什麼 |
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電動自行車他有可能是輪椅的輔助車那這些有用到離電池的這些運具都有可能是在人民生活當中會透過海運來運輸那所以我建議一定要確實的落實不管是安檢宣導安檢 |
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局處的一個SOP使用須知你們如何在這個民眾旅客在這個航運的過程裡面只要看得到的不僅僅是影片還有提醒再來我們的應變措施裡面要求的這個滅火的設備升級或者是多樣性我覺得這個都要嚴格要求你需要多久時間可以做得到 |
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包委員我們這個盡量在努力在一個月之內包括很像我們跟海巡署的協調跟航商宣導的時候這個包括緊急應變的這個部分我們努力在一個月內把它完成好一個月內我要看到好不好第二個雖然時間到了我在提醒部長 |
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非洲豬瘟的危機讓台中造成全國的這個民生經濟的危機那防疫大家都覺得一定要做好但是我只是提醒我們港口船隻 |
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的廚餘的處理機制這個一定要嚴密的管控知道清楚流向跟處理部長你簡單回應沒錯 跟委員報告我們在香港的部分早就已經有在落實就是廚餘不落地就是說不可以進到我們裡面來這個部分我們有嚴格要求那另外針對船員如果要進來的部分我們也會做這方面的安檢這個部分已經落實很長一段時間但是我們在現在還會再更加強 |
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要再更加強好不好那漁船的部分呢到時候再請揮霍給我漁業署今天有來對不對來揮霍給我漁船的進港的儲漁的處理機制給我書面資料謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝何欣存委員發言完畢現在請王宏威委員發言 |
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好 謝謝主席我請我們NCC主秘以及我們交通部陳部長黃恩哲主秘陳部長 |
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好 我今天主要討論的是我們國內電信現在這個有關於司機吃到飽逐漸被下架中那當然因為我們焦木也是中華電信的大股東所以我一併要請教就教於部長那祖密 |
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我們現在國內電信他們已經賣入5G所以也確實在市場裡面已經開始有一些5G吃到飽的產品可是因為5G吃到飽非常非常的貴非常貴所以很多的消費者其實還是在資費方面他們還是選擇4G或者是包含有一些專案或者4G吃到飽的專案因為這次中間價格差到兩三倍之多 |
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而且他們也覺得有關於4G現在的服務量他們也可以滿足可是從今年下半年開始我們國內的電信公司陸陸續續用一些技術上的比如說他在他的通訊行現在很多的其實很多的消費者到通訊行去購買 |
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那麼可能你就說沒有沒有4G而且很多4G吃到飽的方案尤其是比較便宜的方案都被直接下架那你可以看到像這個我們在網路上都可以看到比如說現在遠傳的某個這個門市就告訴你4G 699吃到飽全台即將停售或者是一些通訊行說現在只有倒數幾天大家要買趕快 |
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所以現在的問題就是說大家擔心的是像遠傳台灣大都是這些大型的這個電信業者那慢慢他們開始停止這些銷售據點而且或者是增加你申辦的門檻你要到比較遠的地方或者比較少你必須到他的直營門市你才買得到所以這恐怕會有一個聯合壟斷下架的狀況 |
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那目前是兩大電信公司已經實施到現在大家最觀望的最關心的就是市場傳言中華電信也會跟進中華電信如果一旦跟進的話老師說我會立刻到公平會去告他們有聯合壟斷行為 |
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因為這就是幾大這已經在市場的市佔率已經相當大了好所以呢我在這邊呢是先請教這個我們的這個NCC的主秘你們現在有沒有已經了解或者注意到這個問題那有沒有一些因應的措施怎麼樣去可以保障消費者的權益消費者任任可以在四級跟五級中間選擇才對啊 |
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跟委員報告您在說的那個五級資費比較貴的有一部分的事實是因為那個他的資費綁手機所以他貴在那個手機的部分那至於說委員在講的是說第一個目前也還沒有所謂的壟斷聯合壟斷的樣一樣事情不過確實他們如果假設真的有他的資費方案用 |
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用委員所說的這種勸導或什麼這種方式這個我們會去了解那原則上各式各樣的資費其實目前都還沒有我先講 主秘你講說沒有聯合壟斷行為我真的覺得你在幫業者說話那剛才我們在講說4G跟5G你無感 對不對你覺得這個它的服務量因為有很多5G然後自動就降流變成4G那至於說沒有壟斷的行為來 我們來看下一個 |
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我剛才說四季赤道堡還可以看得到在市場上他們還會有一些價格的變化有的是499 有的588等等之類的可是啊可是我可以告訴你現在我們國內主要沖繩業者五季赤道堡價格是統一的 |
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一律就是24個月1399這其實已經有聯合壟斷的行為了事實上你現在如果去弄5G吃到飽24個月只有單一價格可選如果是4G的話4G吃到飽你還可以有其他的價格可選所以這確實已經有涉及聯合行為 |
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我們現在只是關心的因為你如果有四季可以選擇你五季吃到飽你單一那我們還覺得反正消費者還可以有其他的選擇如果你四季都沒有了然後因為全部都慢慢轉成五季那大家就只好選擇同一個同一個非常貴的價格 |
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所以我要請這個NCC請站在消費者立場而不是在業者立場你看展地界說他們沒有聯合行為我告訴你價格就是一樣啊對不對好 然後因為我的時間關係我想請那個部長 |
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因為中華電信我們現在就說市場現在最關心的就中華電信會不會跟進一旦跟進的話這真的就變成對所有4G的現在使用戶現在還高達全台高達1700萬戶以上 |
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還高達1700萬戶以上使用的人還是很多但是你看到業者陸陸續續就在下架這些4G支費的相關的這個產品那所以我想請問一下中華電信的部分你這邊 因為我在這邊直接用質詢讓你知道這個事情是不是你也可以多關心一下希望中華電信不要全面的跟進全面的跟進對於這些4G使用的用戶來講我覺得對消費者是不利的 |
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向委員報告目前中華電信沒有來跟我說市區要停的這件事情目前沒有報告他不是全面但是他就開始給你門檻通訊行下架然後很多就慢慢你只能到他的直營商只能到網路但你說這還是可以可是他已經增加你購買的難度了 |
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第二點就是說目前它我看它4G的各種資費也都還在但第三點委員剛剛所提醒的這一點我回去趕快跟中華電信這邊了解一下盡量我們要站在消費者的立場來思考這件事情好 這一點就是說我一定要在這裡 |
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來跟那個部長來做這個反應那我希望就是以現在雖然已經到5G的產品可是老師說現在很多消費者他們還是比較prefer還是比較他能夠繼續去使用4G他覺得這個是符合他的需求這個比例是很高的那我們就應該繼續去提供消費者這樣相關的產品好不好好 謝謝 |
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好謝謝王宏威委員發言完畢現在請邱振軍委員邱振軍委員邱振軍委員不在現在請楊瓊英委員楊瓊英委員楊瓊英委員不在 |
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現在請林楚英委員林楚英委員林楚英委員不在現在請鄭天才委員鄭天才委員鄭天才委員不在現在請陳冠廷委員陳冠廷委員陳冠廷委員不在現在請蘇清泉委員 |
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蘇清泉委員蘇清泉委員不在現在請蘇巧惠委員蘇巧惠委員蘇巧惠委員不在現在請徐欣盈委員徐欣盈委員徐欣盈委員不在現在請游浩委員游浩委員游浩委員不在 |
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現在請羅明財委員羅明財委員羅明財委員不在現在請葉元之委員葉元之委員葉元之委員不在現在做以下報告徵紀執行委員軍旅發言完畢做以下決定一報告及巡打完畢 |
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二、委員黃敬豪、游浩、林國成所提書面質詢,列入紀錄並刊登公報。三、委員於質詢中要求提供書面資料或未及答覆部分,請蘇阿部、交通部及相關機關盡速以書面答覆。 |
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針對本次會議做以下決議討論事項一至四個案軍令定期繼續審查本次會議結束 散會 |
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響鐘 |
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響鐘 |