| IVOD_ID |
170059 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170059 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-5-22,26-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-18T10:13:26+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-18T10:32:39+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:19:13 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ac5d42f4fd98837af15f4ffa4f8b332b552618e67150a9fc5dfbff722aff1dc5ce33abcfce886a825ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葛如鈞 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:13:26 - 10:32:39 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：一、審查
(一)委員蘇清泉等20人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第三十七條條文修正草案」案。
(二)委員徐欣瑩等20人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(三)委員林月琴等16人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第三十條條文修正草案」案。
(四)委員王育敏等21人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法部分條文修正草案」案。
(五)委員陳培瑜等18人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第十一條、第十二條及第三十二條之一條文修正草案」案。
(六)委員徐巧芯等21人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(七)委員葉元之等17人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(八)委員黃仁等19人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(九)委員張嘉郡等19人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(十)委員羅廷瑋等22人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(十一)台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(十二)委員羅智強等17人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(十三)委員鄭正鈐等17人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(十四)委員林倩綺等23人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(十五)委員廖先翔等16人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(十六)委員王育敏等23人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(十七)委員王育敏等21人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第四十三條及第五十二條條文修正 草案」案。
(十八)委員廖偉翔等23人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(十九)委員葛如鈞等18人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(二十)委員李彥秀等19人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
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好 謝謝主席有請久違的教育部鄭英耀部長有請部長待會是不是請委員好 |
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好謝謝部長上次和您在立法院討論教育的議題是整整一個月前5月18號這段期間無論委員會怎麼樣的安排法案的公聽會或審查都看不到您本人 |
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那相較之下我們召委安排電競基本法的公聽會詢答、審查運動部的里昂部長都全程參與請盯各界的意見無論法案審查的過程怎麼樣至少大家對里昂部長的態度是給予肯定的但是我們教育界發生這麼多的問題結果我們的部長變成神隱部長 |
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台灣一年內發生四起校內教師輕生事件剛剛也說了很多 羅志強委員另外有師生衝突 老師見血合理的教師管教權 校師會議存費調整大家都在關心但是禮拜一的公聽會 |
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我們就在講校事會議就在講幼照法結果部長您缺席了上週教育委員會安排學貸三法尋答及審查全體委員部分黨派都非常支持學貸利息的補助同樣的我們也等不到部長您對這三個法案表達任何意見民眾對於教育部長審議教育部積極消極搞不清楚狀況 |
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整體來講真的是非常的消極這個作為非常不滿大家感嘆說難道真的要像韓劇這樣以暴制暴才能夠處理校園事件嗎部長我說了這麼多其實這張圖真的是為各界去傳達他們的聲音對你神隱的這樣的說法對這個批評你有什麼回應感謝委員提醒我想 |
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對我省引的說法我事實上我是沒有辦法接受所有的裡邊的一個政策我們部內都有充分的一個討論那當然我也尊重體制因為許多的體制它並不是這一個一定是要求這一個部長再從過去來講那當然另外另外還有一個審查法案部長也不用來我們沒有法律規定是這樣嗎另外還有一個我其實不太願意對外講 |
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我最近身體確實有一些狀況所以很多時候我其實不願意在公開裡面去做一些我只能講到這裡先祝福部長身體一切平安啦 健康啦但是有需要因為您是公務啦 |
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所以您的所有的狀況其實都在代替全國民眾在執行重要的職務所以大我小我以及這些狀況的區分全民對您的期待我想您也應該非常清楚所以我希望這個社會自由公平的情況之下 |
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還是先祝福部長一切身體健康但是我們法案的進程我們所有部會都在關心的一些議題真的沒有辦法耽擱也沒有辦法就是說無止境的等待學待我們要聽到的聲音如果說啊 |
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部長休息 部會就可以代勞那我們需要部長做什麼其實大家就是非常看重您 才會對您有期待才會有這樣的一個說法 |
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後面談論的議題啊每一樣都需要您啊那您如果又說身體健康的狀況我們大家都關心那這樣我們也會擔心重要的議題您到底有辦法花多少的時間在裡面如果我們政策上一樣因此而失智而沒有辦法推動當然委員我希望委員能夠具體的說明我們到底哪些政策沒有辦法推動因為我沒有出現 |
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我講這一個要請問校士會議多丁會的內容你全部看了嗎因為整一夜以後事實上我們校士法學校一直在往好的方向走也感謝委員支持但是你們不能為我們教育部長期的努力這麼多老師親身這兩年我們跟地方各團體的所有的一個座談我們不是沒所本的部長您冷靜 |
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我沒有辦法接受一直抹黑教育部一直抹黑鄭英耀教師會議那麼明確的證據他就往好的方向在改革沒有辦法不但沒有掌聲而且一路在這難道是我們希望對待的一個公務體系這些公務人員嗎部長 |
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那我們全產會的代表在這個位置上撕掉這些文件你看到了嗎如果你們往好的方向改革都改到了會有這些意見嗎會有這些公聽會嗎會有這麼多老師受到傷害會有全國民眾在討論鐵錢教育這樣一部片嗎部長啊您的命 |
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是命您的健康是健康老師的命是命健康是健康學生的健康我自己幾乎身於基層我對老師的權益我比任何人更在意那就用行動來表現我一直用行動來表現那 |
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我感謝委員過去的一個很專業的提醒跟指導您說您用專業 您說您用行動當我們要提問的時候 您說我們部會同仁都有在做 |
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我想全國民眾絕對關心您的狀況也絕對與百分百的祝福萬分的祝福十二萬分的祝福但是我想所有的議題大家都關心下一步而且也會擔心部長您在這裡面具體的思維行動到底是什麼這個校車司機的案件其實現行的學生交通車管理法 |
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偏重車輛安全年齡駕照肇事紀錄多個小朋友受到HIV這樣的影響這是一輩子的事情這是不是健康這是不是安全這是不是命對司機的前科紀錄卻沒有相應的規定可以查驗你說要我們講出哪些事沒做我就問啊部長 |
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你們研議修改了沒有學生交通車管理辦法改了嗎改了嗎或者另訂行政命令來規範校車試騎的資格條件相關查驗流程改了嗎 討論了嗎我剛剛有審略啦 但你知道這件事嗎九個人受害最小才15歲 |
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已經發生多久了 6月13號欸已經將近一個禮拜了全民嘩然啊然後現在 你站在這裡哇 跟我們全國民眾大小聲我沒有跟全國民眾大小聲對我大小聲也沒有對委員大小聲但是委員對我們所說的所以我們就回到具體嘛你們研議修改了沒嘛多久可以完成啊 還沒改 |
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我們不能理解不能體諒但是給你一個回應多久之內可以完成?多久?還要等多久?你看嘛 |
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跟委員報告部長非常的關心剛才也有回覆不好意思給我五秒講完清楚一點這個案件三月份衛福部發現之後再查更糟現在已經三個半月了這給我講完我只要五秒就好 |
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這個事情從查驗到定期查詢就是禁用的查詢到定期查詢我們都有規範是不是這個案件讓衛福部把相關可公開的部分給我們查的時候我用七天的時間跟委員回報現在因為是衛福部跟行政法院方面單位辦刑事法院把他簽一個密件七天 但是蘇長有個地方你說不對喔 |
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司機的前科紀錄是沒有相關規定查驗的喔你不要全部套在一起喔有了嗎 前科紀錄有相關規定查驗了嗎有 公文報告現在有一個重點 早上部長有講不管是學校自己的或是委辦的部長都已經很明白的講 正用查驗跟定期查驗都要受管束這件事情會相關的法規去解釋我問你已經有沒有有 |
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在哪裡現在要查的是在今天下班前給委員相關的資料因為是在剛剛你講的這個辦法我們查給委員我們已經查過了只有車輛安全駕駛年齡駕照肇事紀錄健康他的前科是沒有的 |
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良民的茶宴这些都会处理委员是不是容许已经处理了吗对对我们把比较具因为刚刚有跟委员报告两件事魏副部今天代表也在我也刚刚全序请教过因为这个是密件这个密件的调查我们尊重但是我们不容许任何一件这样的事情在教育界因此部长刚刚已经有宣誓不管是我们的办法或现在的行政措施不管是学校自己办的或是委办的全部都要查好 |
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七天嘛那我再請教部長署長也在校車司機不是由學校聘僱而是公車業者、遊覽車業者或外包承攬的人員有在這個規範裡嗎 |
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我想他確實在規範裡面確實有所不足啦有所不足啦所以這個事情這個請教育部相關法規修訂一併期限內完成剛剛前面那一段七天後面如果有漏掉的再補足好不好那我希望趕快完成那不好意思 趙偉再給我一點時間因為今天我們關心部長的身體健康啦所以剛剛花去了一些額外的時間今天聯合報有刊登台北大學楊教授提出的意見這一次的案件 |
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其實有一個議題說青少年受到性侵害甚至感染性病是沒有選擇可能不向外界求助那我們召委其實也很關心可能有未成年感染沒毒的一些狀況那目前最大的通報黑數其實我們都沒有看到那我們是這個楊教授有說以瑞典的青少年健康諮詢中心UMO為例子 |
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那也希望教育部可不可以研議啊去有一個青少年健康諮詢的體系因為現在是如果確診醫院需要告訴家長這個我們理解但對青少年來講這很可能會是一個心理的阻礙那可不可以兩個月內將一些比較好的參考國際的做法研議結果書面提供給本席可以嗎可以好謝謝那另外還有一個很重要的議題這個 |
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青年扶擒的準備那這兩天媒體熱烈討論6月11號網路上出現學校青年扶擒動員準備分類計畫 |
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大家再次嘩然就一上網一找啊文件竟然就下架了就不見了請問部長啊這個文字到底什麼狀況啊然後我們一旦大家都去問啊結果找全網找不到那如果是教育部發出的計畫書為什麼不能在教育部的網站公告啊那還是說部長您因為什麼因素 |
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可能會不會你連這份都沒看過那我們連所知教育部都遲遲不給我們這到底裡面有什麼秘密昨天晚上八點才提供每年都有行李因為台灣天災這個地震颱風多青年服勤動員準備分類計畫依據全民防禦動員準備法全民防禦動員去年 前年有嗎前年有嗎 |
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暫時支援軍事作戰計畫發給全部的學校有嗎 你看我們招委都吃驚啦這是每年都會每年都有學校都會有一個調查這個每年都有每年都有要暫時支援軍事作戰我們在防災各方面的社會任性我們都會routine的去調查請學校在整個不是 這一份每年都會發嗎 |
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一模一樣內容嗎內容每年會檢討修正每年都是暫時支援軍事作戰嗎欸 我覺得部長啊你們不要不要玩文字遊戲喔上一次教育部發放青年服勤同意書全社會 |
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任性還沒來啊大家都嚇壞啦這個什麼娃娃兵啊青年要去打戰啦我們不想去講什麼票投民進黨青年上戰場啦之前還講求正義要發一個同意書國防部顧立雄部長也說同意書這個沒有意義你們也停用了那現在同意書都不發了直接就全體都要服刑是不是你寫的啊暫時支援作戰啊不用同意啊 |
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跟委員報告其實我們這個計畫是依照權動法還有災害防救法等相關法規所訂定的那它其實是鼓勵青年學生它是支援相關的避難引導或是社區關懷和行政服務等等不好意思喔您讀一下這個字好不好我框起來最下面那個 |
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你剛剛講的好像包紮啦 學習啦來 可不可以請你念一下最後框起來的字對 這個是 可不可以請你念一下最後一個是暫時支援軍事作戰對嘛 但是這個是權鬥法的規定 作戰什麼 雙手戰戰場啊但是在我們的計畫裡面是寫的 不用拿手槍啊我們計畫裡面有寫到說不支援軍事還有警察的相關的職務 |
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我們在計劃裡面有明確寫那請問全民防衛動員準備法裡面有嗎你依據那個法寫的你說我們不要那個法就說你要支援軍事作戰沒有關係我們講解決方法這個學生排除在暫時支援軍事作戰的對象之外可不可以請國防部提出修法把學生排除 |
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既然你們裡面都說不要了嘛要法令來配合嘛那不然你說不要你不是違法嗎我們只是下面的一個青年扶勤計畫它上面還有內政部的人力動員計畫所以它的戰時支援軍事作戰這些是針對其他的人力並不是針對我們的青年學生我們青年學生是排除軍事戰場這些的和平不是一切 |
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沒有和平就沒有一切啦所以我想這個我們還是希望部長要承諾相關的法令要配合不要要把學生排除在暫時支援軍事作戰的對象不要再搞這些小動作可以嗎部長沒有搞小動作啦真正暫時的說我們是希望高中生相對成熟他 |
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對社區老人扶弱包紮等等的這些極端救助的他並沒有直接上戰場沒關係 全民防衛動員準備法沒有排除學生學生的議題就是部長的議題 |
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高中以上他本來就相對成熟他可以有簡單的高紮有一些疏散有一些協助老人等等社區民眾的一些協助那學生到底有沒有在暫時支援軍事作戰的對象之外嘛他沒有上戰場嘛不要一直用上戰場這個去混淆視聽嘛好啦我們回去看這個細節啦最後啦AI方舟人的計畫你們總算交資料過來了謝謝啦 |
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那這個不是國王的方舟先給您肯定但五年總經費117億每年平均預算不到30億那支援最少的智慧教師培育計畫一年5000萬我們一起來努力之後呢我們會提供相關的例子 |
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愛沙尼亞哈薩克約旦新加坡阿聯酋泰國怎麼來做AI的公司協力公司的公司力的力師那我們一起承諾來往這個目標前但是資源太少了這個教師培育計畫一年只有五千多萬我給你一個錦囊希望您去找這個院長溝通的時候給他說 |
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到底30億是什麼概念證交稅我們今年開徵千分之三一天的股市交易就35億一天五千萬是多少五千萬是多少半小時的證交稅就有了半小時的證交稅你要用在只用在只用這五千萬去做一整年的智慧教師的培育啊完全不夠啊你就跟他說你就跟院長說一小時的好不好 |
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讓我們用一年好不好這樣就是兩倍了兩小時就是兩億了好不好所以我想部長我們要一起來爭取該做的我們把它做好那也再次敬祝您身體健康全台灣全世界的老師學生也都要平安健康好嗎我們一起努力謝謝委員好 謝謝時間到 |
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是不是麻煩一下因為這個有關於校車司機喔對於小朋友的侵害我想所有的委員都非常 |