| IVOD_ID |
170058 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170058 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-5-22,26-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-18T10:02:07+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-18T10:13:09+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:02 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ac5d42f4fd98837a50014654d71d4e57552618e67150a9fc5dfbff722aff1dc512974bf4722aa1b25ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅智強 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:02:07 - 10:13:09 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：一、審查
(一)委員蘇清泉等20人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第三十七條條文修正草案」案。
(二)委員徐欣瑩等20人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(三)委員林月琴等16人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第三十條條文修正草案」案。
(四)委員王育敏等21人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法部分條文修正草案」案。
(五)委員陳培瑜等18人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第十一條、第十二條及第三十二條之一條文修正草案」案。
(六)委員徐巧芯等21人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(七)委員葉元之等17人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(八)委員黃仁等19人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(九)委員張嘉郡等19人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(十)委員羅廷瑋等22人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(十一)台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(十二)委員羅智強等17人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(十三)委員鄭正鈐等17人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(十四)委員林倩綺等23人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(十五)委員廖先翔等16人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(十六)委員王育敏等23人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(十七)委員王育敏等21人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第四十三條及第五十二條條文修正 草案」案。
(十八)委員廖偉翔等23人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(十九)委員葛如鈞等18人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(二十)委員李彥秀等19人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
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有請部長部長我念一段話你來告訴我是誰講的我不知道哥哥究竟承受了多少痛苦 |
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多少絕望才會走上這一條路有時候真的讓人忍不住思考現今的制度是否真的有能力保護那些長年默默為社會奉獻的人一句輕易的指責一場隨意的檢舉外人看來只是程序但對某些人來說卻可能是一點一滴壓垮生命的重量 |
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部長你知道這是誰說的嗎請問知道上個月25號高雄市一名資深的國小嚴姓教師墜樓身亡他的妹妹沉痛的發文痛訴他哥哥所面臨到惡劣的教育現場然後呢一點一滴的壓垮了他的生命 |
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這就是今天在最前面為我們奉獻的老師們他們的處遇還有他們家人的心聲我不知道部長你看到這一段的心聲我不知道部長做何感想自評論我是非常難過的是啊 |
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人心是有所的誰看到這一段痛苦的心聲都會覺得難過那我就要想請教部長這是個案嗎我們不希望 |
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我們當然某種程度希望他只是個案但是我們更希望從體制去減少老師的壓力包含一些無謂的干擾能夠讓校園能夠讓老師回到他真正的專業秉持他的一個教育的愛讓一年內就有三起基層教師墜樓輕生 |
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那我再跟你講一個更恐怖的統計數字我要告訴部長教育現場到底有多惡劣你知道2021年教職員工自殺死亡人數是多少你知道嗎請問委員知道8個人2023年10個人2023年你知道到多少人嗎到19個人 |
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從2021年的8人到2023年的19人你暴增一倍不止那我再問你另外的數字不知道你有沒有看到台師大學生會以及師資生聯會上個月有公布一個調查數字他針對師資培育生你知道有多少師資培育生認為教師現在是不受社會尊重的七成 |
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70.6%那有多少失之培育生他認為他們會擔心將來如果執教會遭到投訴或面臨調查八成34.9%的失之培育生明確表達不會投入教職我用這個做開場我想部長就能夠理解為什麼南韓的一齣戲劇 |
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在台灣會引起這麼大的迴響因為部長我不知道你看過沒有啊我看了第一集我看我是不是看完了我看前五集的時候我心裡想的是這哪是南韓啊他點出的教育現場問題不是南韓的教育現場問題啊他點出的教育現場問題是台灣的教育現場問題啊 |
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所以為什麼這幾週大家持續關注教育現場我剛剛從這個數字不小心就看到有多嚴重了多嚴重 已經不是個案了當我們教育現場系統性崩壞到這種程度老師今天要面臨霸凌的恐懼面臨檢舉的爛數面臨所謂的特權的介入各種的壓力 |
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的時候當他對教育現場產生恐懼的時候我說過受害的不只是老師吧部長 |
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是 當然我也跟委員補充說明南韓的這一部片子當時事實上南韓的教師團體也認為它並非南韓的一個教育現場他們也希望不要拍這樣一個影片某種程度它當然有一種提醒部長 我跟你講你講的我也都看過 |
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處理方式那戲劇化的手法當然不可能啦不可能是這戲劇化手法但是它引起迴響不是因為那戲劇化的手法我就講嘛今天我那天質詢次長我就講一個老師只因為在聯絡簿上寫了一句是不是數學要多練習結果就被家長瘋狂投訴瘋狂投訴 |
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然後抱歉啊這劇情一模一樣啊跟委員報告就這一個委員所舉的例子我覺得那是學校裡面應該要挺身而出支持老師因為老師我告訴你啊誰不想挺身而出支持老師啊我直接問啦很多老師也都反映啊你現在老師的所謂的社會的尊嚴 |
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在我們今天很多一些錯誤的結構跟制度體系之下你不要講是老師 學校當你的制度本身設計出了問題的時候你就造成今天教育現場上老師面臨各式各樣的恐懼啊就像說我看到部長說你們有做一個改革匿名檢舉不會見到不會接校事會議嘛 對不對然後呢 所以說 |
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你們說有82%的檢舉案件進入校事會修正後降到22%嘛對不對是可是我要問啊請問匿名檢舉現在真的不受理嗎我們的新的辦法也感謝委員支持我目前是這樣一個執行但是地方會不會因為有特殊的一些案例這也是我們希望其實部長你剛剛回答就有保留了我當然支持今天 |
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你要相關的檢舉你起碼也應該要負原則嘛是對心智不受理那教育部我知道你也拿出來做一個改革主要回應可是啊還是會進到考核會啊不是嗎 |
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考核會是來自因為老師他確實行為有疏失但是有一些考核會他就是可能只是口頭的一個提醒我要講的是什麼我要講的是今天你光匿名檢舉這件事情你現在制度體系之下它還是存在 |
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沒錯吧案例我不敢保證但是基本上我們制度的精神也感謝委員之前的支持那就是我們共同希望他往好的方向來走部長謝謝你啊我希望你從不敢保證在制度上讓他你敢保證 |
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不是嗎你都認為這是一個對的方向我也支持啊是可是你不敢保證是因為結構制度上你還有沒做好沒有做足的地方啦那我們就來想辦法讓這制度做足嘛事實上我們可以看到今天我們今天為什麼再生的提醒步驟就是因為真的我覺得我們教育環境真的是已經受夠了已經受夠了民怨 |
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老師的處境大家都知道受害不只是老師啦當老師都害怕的時候受害就是學生的受教權受害就是國家的未來而部長你就是老師最重要的後盾再來我想要講一下我們今天審查這個幼兒教育跟照顧法的第七條那 |
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我相信部長應該也知道現在家長要找幼兒園其實都充滿焦慮因為它不只是教育的過程它是很多的焦慮跟壓力的集結收集資料參觀學校申請放榜然後補有沒有抽中要不要備案下一步怎麼辦這些都是我們今天家有幼兒家長的日常沒錯吧所以我知道部長你們有講一些理由 |
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財政負擔是個理由可是呢今天只要是有少子化趨勢的國家都已經大多擴幅的來去改善今天幼兒教育減輕家長的壓力跟負擔台灣今天如果說生育率比10年前增加個一倍兩倍那我跟你講我覺得沒有這個案子 |
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是嗎?不是啊我們比起十年前我們出生的人數是腰斬部長總知道吧那為什麼?因為就是對於家長來說的話那個負擔已經沉重到他們沒有辦法挺住啊一部分原因啦還有很多社會原因啦可是對政府來說我們能做的就是分擔他的壓力嘛這也是為什麼賴清德總統今天 |
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他的所謂的要這個搶救少子化開出這麼多的支票開出這麼多的政策那其實就是因為已經見到我們今天十年出生人數腰斬的這種現象所以我認為今天對於說家有幼兒的家長我們今天這個修法的討論就是來當他們的後盾啦謝謝部長謝謝 |