| IVOD_ID |
170051 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170051 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-17T10:37:58+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-17T10:54:47+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:49 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d79496a9ef369d5f56fa6d4e0eb0b6830b61440ff599792843750793d2cd2978a4b7ee112536bc485ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
高金素梅 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:37:58 - 10:54:47 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於大陸委員會部分。二、審查大陸委員會函送財團法人海峽交流基金會115年度預算書案。三、審查大陸委員會函送財團法人臺港經濟文化合作策進會115年度預算書案。四、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會、原住民族文化發展中心部分。五、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款原住民族委員會、原住民族文化發展中心部分。六、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金—原住民族綜合發展基金。七、審查原住民族委員會函送財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會及財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會115年度預算書案。【預算審查僅詢答，相關預算提案於115年6月24日（星期三）中午12時前截止收件。】【6月17日、18日兩天一次會】） |
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林倩琦委員發言之後休息謝謝召委不需要請這個大陸委員會邱主任委員上台了我只是覺得身為一個中華民國的官員可以毫無自信到這種程度而且呢你們每一次在這邊的發言你們傷害的其實呢是台灣人民的老百姓 |
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不管是農產品的問題不管是兩岸交流的問題不管是直航的問題不管是觀光客的問題其實你們實質上是在傷害台灣的老百姓 |
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他不會回答了 因為他的回答呢我覺得實在是在這邊有失一個正無關的一個風範我們看到的是他吵架在賣在那個菜市場賣菜的這種等級我覺得一點都不尊敬他我倒是很想請問一下財團法人海峽教育基金會的蘇嘉全蘇嘉全董事長 |
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董事長你曾經做過我們內政部的部長也做過行政院的院長您的高度肯定會比邱主任委員還高剛剛您看到這樣子邱主任委員在這邊一番好像菜市場賣菜的這樣子的答詢我相信你一定也會心裡面難難過的因為你現在的這個職責你是在為台灣的人民謀福利對吧應該沒錯吧好 |
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那這樣是這樣的話應該要想盡方法全世界都對中國大陸這個市場大家都基於給予高度的肯定甚至於都不斷的領導人都去拜訪都希望這個大陸的領導人能夠給 |
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這個不管世界各國不管是經貿也好不管是農產品也好不管是科技也好都能夠合作可是反觀我們中華民國我們常常在講兩岸同屬一家人一家親甚至於駱總統也好您也好您的講的話講的閩南語都是那裡的所以其實我們的講話是最溝通最能夠彼此有感受的 |
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為什麼要兩岸搞成這個樣子呢我相信蘇嘉全董事長您應該會跟邱主委不一樣的思考邏輯吧在您的任內 整體的說你希望給台灣人民帶來什麼樣的未來的希望在中國大陸這個市場我覺得 |
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全世界其他國家中國並沒有要併吞他們但是台灣中國是想併吞台灣的所以作為台灣人民還是邱主委難免在被併吞被恐嚇的過程站在保衛台灣人民的立場是要有一些態度 |
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那麼海基會當然我們比較屬於陸委會委託跟大陸互相你不覺得你們兩個這樣的機構是在打架的嗎 |
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所以你認為這樣子的論述你也接受你也同意就是說因為大陸他想要併吞台灣但是事實上您看到習近平領導人他在那邊一番說話其實現在是在軟化的 |
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希望兩邊的領導人能夠有智慧坐下來好好的談不是這樣子的嗎其實我們看到的是強硬的並不是中國大陸強硬的是我們的台灣而且掌握了 |
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只是不要獨立是可以談的曾經在馬英九時代兩岸的經貿是非常的好的兩岸的人民是非常的和平的從來沒有一個人民因為這樣子而要被浪蕩入獄然後也從來沒有一個這樣的首長就去參加一個所謂的海峽論壇會之後呢就會用來懲處然後把這件事情把它放大擴大到每一個人都很害怕很擔心啊 |
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不過委員 馬英九總統的時代 中國還是在全世界打壓台灣不是 馬英九總統他就有這個智慧 他們兩個人曾經見面討論過不是嗎那個氣氛不是很好嗎 為什麼要這樣二一螺旋一直不斷的上漲然後二一螺旋不斷的岸上 可憐的 受害的是台灣的民眾啊 |
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你去看看夜市你去看看我們倒了多少的旅行色你去看看我們多少的旅店 |
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這些難道是我們身為臺灣領導人你們所想要看到的嗎但是我們別忘了謝謝董事長 蘇嘉天我今天其實沒有想要針對這個議題只是我剛剛坐在台下的時候我給您高度的期待希望您在您的院內能夠改善這種惡意螺旋的升高好嗎 謝謝繼續我要請園民會園民會的主委 謝謝您 |
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主委我依然回到今天審預算有幾件很重要的事情要就教你基本收市維持費基本收市維持費在114審查預算的時候我講得很清楚了這筆預算是我跟蘇前院長爭取的總共有6.4億而這些呢是原鄉的救命錢 |
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不是你園民會要動你就可以動想扣你就可以扣我曾經也做過提案的要求希望你們園民會不要擅自扣住超過五千萬元的額度請問目前你們的進度到哪裡了我跟委員報告這個基本設施維持會從以前到現在他也不是說現在來才變成這樣他本來就有 |
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大概有8%左右的一個經費是作為來統籌應用的主要是在應付突然有一些天然災害或者是有一些緊急避難或者是要我了解可是你們我不要忘記114年我就有曾經提案你答應過我不會再這樣子做所以我才撤案的可是我們看 |
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我們看115年分配金額你們少了114年有11個園鄉它的公所的執行率是超過九成的現在的園鄉鄉公所其實他們的執行率是蠻高的那照理說你應該因為他的執行率高然後來繼續他就是需要這筆錢你們現在不是你們現在是減少的我們來看一下這個 |
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花蓮的萬榮鄉 花蓮的送風鄉 屏東的春日鄉113年 114年它的執行率都是百分之百可是你隔年你的分配數是下降的然後你反而讓那個執行率偏低的公所隔年的分配不減反增你這樣子是在變相的欺負 |
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而且不肯定這間相關所啊你可不可以告訴我到底怎麼回事是你比較喜歡的相關所你就給多一點然後呢 質詢量很高的相關所你反而不給他嗎各位人員是這樣子這樣子不被肯定的嗎我跟委員報告這個有關這個去年那樣的一個決定但是我們在去年的年底的時候大概11月6號我們有請 |
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所有的55個鄉鎮來我們來做一個研商的會議這幾個鄉鎮長他們超過80%也是支持要有一定的額度類似這個額度8%放在研民會這個也不是研民會要用一樣是要給公所 |
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我覺得到11月份的時候 你知道那個執行率的時間已經是接近尾聲了而且我還有另外一個問題就跟你說人家100%執行率的 你反而不給他然後你給了執行率很低的人 到底是怎麼回事今天沒有很多的時間 我在這邊要要求你如果這件事情 你們沒有辦法解決的話如果以後還是這樣的話 該刪 該凍的我還是會凍結 好不好第二個我要請教的問題是教育的問題 我們請一下處長 |
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教育處處長 請問一下 人民會主委你可以再花一點這個時間因為你有幾位新的副主委他們的分工可以讓我們知道一下好嗎 |
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主委主要是我們的事務副主委梅莊杜仗梅莊事務副主委他是事務副主委再來呢兩位政務的副主委一個是古仲一個是陳奕迅我知道他們負責的分工是怎麼負責還是所有的業務都一起 |
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沒有 還是有分像譬如說陳奕信副主委我們知道他對這個運動方面這個會比較有會比較有他的一個這個專長那他就是負責教文處跟經發處的教文跟經發對 教文跟經發那國仲呢他就是工程方面他比較他比較內行工程跟這個社福還有這個這個 |
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人事啦 像秘書是這樣其他的就通通就是美妝來做一個協調好 那我現在要問的是教文的部分照理說應該是要讓副主委來回答啦是吧教文處處長在這裡 當然那個好 因為我們曾經我還沒有在這裡質詢他我來質詢他一下好了不知道他對他的業務熟悉不熟悉我們請陳副主委 |
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陳副主任我要請問你在3月底的時候我的辦公室我曾經討論過民主學校課程和師資規劃還有泰雅課綱發展跟實踐等等的教育議題當時是處長來到我的辦公室但是因為你分管這個業務我除了希望處長熟悉了解你應該也要了解請問一下這件事情你知道嗎 |
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我去年九一日開始進來當然我是focus在運動教育在進來的時候我前前就是在這個運動教育至於你剛剛說的我列資但是我還是要請示一下所以您的意思就是說您只在教育上面那個運動方面所以運動方面的話您覺得要跟我們的運動部跟教育部怎麼樣橫向聯繫 |
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對 我在這方面我都有保持在跟運動部跟教育部長橫向做你覺得你來了之後會有什麼樣新的希望 |
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有 我這也對自己很有信心就簡單的說一下嘛好 就算說這一次的我們那個在跟運動部相關連的就是在拔尖計畫以及GU都互相在做溝通那尤其是這一次國內的2026年就是張柏堯這方面以及我們總共得了123面的金牌這個是事實的可見 可是我們還要繼續發展在底下尤其是比較 |
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在體育班這個方面我可能是比較你知道教育部有一個體育班要裁撤了只有要留下原住民的體育班你知道嗎我是知道那你覺得這有沒有歧視的一些意味好像原住民只有教育班還是體育班還是你覺得我們可以因為這個體育班而在教育部裡面多增加經費 |
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委員 如果時間夠我可以到你辦公室來想我本身誠意性就是從小時候就是體育班 我覺得但你知道教育部他要拆 撤掉教育班這個同一個體育班的行進計畫我知道 可是我呢所以希望您不要讓社會大眾認為教育班是歧視好像就是原住民不會念書所以在體育班 |
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希望你能夠做這樣的說明好不好我還是覺得我們的DNA雖然很好但是每一個人念書也念得很好我們現在的體育選手英文念得也非常的好我們的課程也並沒有被拉掉對吧你同意這一點嗎我當然在我的你同意這一點吧對 |
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開見有意 書中自有 言如意即還經無所以我一定是希望每一個運動員因為我們運動員的生命就這麼短好 既然如此我再請問您因為您在負責教育的部分你知道原住民專班現在教育部已經把這個錢給停掉了你要不要爭取回來 |
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原住民專班是非常重要的原住民專班裡面其實有很多的費用是教育部跟園民會分工的是在我在教文的時候當召委我建立了這個平台可是前一段時間我卻聽到要把原住民專班這個預算給砍了 |
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我要給你這個任務我先報告一下今天沒有那麼多的時間到我辦公室我們來一起談這個我要今天給你這個任務也要你在主委的面前來答應要把這個錢給要回來可以嗎好我請你畢竟我是副主委我副主委的工作兩點一個是輔佐一個是執行主委的這個好請問主委這個錢要不要要回來 |
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要不要請你的副主委會我待會也會跟教育部來好謝謝那比較專業的問題我問一下處長給我一點時間處長你到我辦公室的時候我們曾經一起發展過泰雅課綱發展計畫您說過是團結的因為有一群非常熱愛重視民族教育的泰雅族的校長他們集結在一起由下而上的一起來研究來發展 |
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你也說我們泰雅族的課綱發展計畫是專業的然後也在國家教育研究院的帶領的合作之下是可以完成專業且細膩的工作來奠定民族學校的課綱基礎進而落實賴總統的政見這是什麼政見呢就是希望在原住民地區建立雙軌制的原住民族的教育體系 |
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處長你也更講你希望未來太陽課綱發展計畫它是領頭羊未來希望延續鄒族布農族悲難的課綱發展請問這些什麼時候要做 |
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我們今年都已經開始在規劃了好 它的期程是什麼我們希望今年我們會推動那個布農族跟那個今年 今年都會推動布農族跟那個喇列亞族的課綱的發展那就是說校長 曾經有過經驗的校長他們就退場了嗎當然不會 當然我們就藉著他們過去發展太好跟他們見面那你會接種法未來這整個的土地要推動開始之後會請他們來做我們的諮詢的 |
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好 那泰雅課綱有沒有可能變成我們的雙軌的變成泰雅族的課綱泰雅族的課綱已經完成了現在是我們要鼓勵他們往教材來發展我們希望他往教材來做發展因為做課綱的目的就是要發展教材教材要怎麼做啦對 我們現在在跟泰雅族在積極在協議就是說怎麼讓讓他在基亞基努上去往教材來發展所以這個我們也同步在進行 |
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| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
那什麼時候可以進行 也就是說他們的專業 他們的經驗可以被保留下來對不對當然好 謝謝我希望這些事情能夠繼續的加油我們會努力 最後我要問的是梅先生 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
969.828 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
990.428 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
主委你的沒宣費其實用的很糟糕你們沒宣費不是在做一些原住民的宣傳政治的宣傳而是在配合我們的執政黨的鎮定宣傳我覺得這有違我們沒宣費所以我就不讓你回答了因為沒宣費在去年省預算的時候我也有 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
991.109 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
1004.858 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
也有討論過所以這次我認為你們並沒有真正的來來解決我們上次擔心園民會在用的沒宣費上面所以這次省預算部分呢我沒宣費我還是會全三謝謝 |