| IVOD_ID |
170050 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170050 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-17T10:24:15+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-17T10:37:49+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:34 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d79496a9ef369d5fc5c5a3d4e6a81ad80b61440ff599792843750793d2cd297856c4274c4566c6a95ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王鴻薇 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:24:15 - 10:37:49 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於大陸委員會部分。二、審查大陸委員會函送財團法人海峽交流基金會115年度預算書案。三、審查大陸委員會函送財團法人臺港經濟文化合作策進會115年度預算書案。四、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會、原住民族文化發展中心部分。五、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款原住民族委員會、原住民族文化發展中心部分。六、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金—原住民族綜合發展基金。七、審查原住民族委員會函送財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會及財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會115年度預算書案。【預算審查僅詢答，相關預算提案於115年6月24日（星期三）中午12時前截止收件。】【6月17日、18日兩天一次會】） |
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好 謝謝主席 我請陸委會主委邱主委主委好 請問一下我們陸委會的這個預算充裕嗎 |
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跟委員報告去年那審查預算到18%那我們陸委會成立三十幾年來我們大概平均大概是2.5%那去年真的是這個比較嚴重的一年就是預算比較不足夠所以預算算是很拮据算是比較緊 |
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是 是 那我們希望今年的預算能夠得到合理的審查那我們也一定把持掌握這個尊潔預算的原則好 當然要尊潔預算 不管預算最後結果怎麼樣都應該尊潔預算 是其實我可以看到我們在預算審查期間每一個相關單位都喊窮都覺得預算不夠 那請問一下主委 |
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今年我們有沒有在裝修新的會議室我們有一個就是一個圓桌那請這個在我們18樓不過它不大的一個在18樓對會議室花多少錢 |
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98萬因為超過100萬就必須有三家來所以現在各政府單位都非常巧妙的把這些預算都拆到100萬以下然後廠商也都非常巧妙的幾乎都不超過100萬這個是對18樓這18樓18樓什麼地方 |
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我們跟測競會共用的地方共用的 是在18樓因為我們是測競會台港測競會董事長辦公室請問台港測競會董事長是誰我們賴董事長賴董事長那董事長只有當台港測競會董事長嗎他有沒有其他職務他也是央廣的董事長 |
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所以他到底在我們台港策進會的時間比較久呢還是會在央廣董事長因為可能業務比較繁多跟委員報告我們策進會這個大概一季開一次會那相關的議題會在陸委會時間應該是很少很少嘛很少但是放在他的這個辦公室 |
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台港策進會的辦公室我想這個我們的董事長他應該如果是一個台港策進會現在我們跟港澳之間有什麼業務嗎也非常少了吧跟委員然後你如果跟央廣比較起來然後在這邊在我們 |
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若會財政這麼拮据預算的需求這麼迫切之下花了將近百萬元放在台港策進會去做一個裝修一個新的所謂而且你們用所謂的多功能的會議室請問這個會議室要做什麼台港業務我們現在有什麼港澳業務即將推進呢 |
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跟委員報告我們港澳交流蠻平凡的那如果 什麼叫平凡法是 跟委員報告我們 帶了什麼活動是 我們除了我們港澳處還有我們撤進會在全國各地辦這個港人在台灣的居留定居的說明會港人居留定居不是很少嗎 從當時挺香港 |
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不就開始了嗎 如果要做的話應該是那個時候做啊我們一直延續的做 我們持續的做 也跟各個地方政府在合作包括跟台中市政府 高雄市政府 最近我們也新北市政府還有台北市政府 我們都 還有桃園市政府都有在合作所以在這麼多跟地方政府合作之下 要多一個多功能的會議室 |
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那個會議室是一個多功能的會議室其實我們陸委會因為會議室不多所以我們爭取到這個會議室也讓我們全會的同仁都可以來使用主委第一個你們都是預算很窮就像台電也是預算很窮 |
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最近今天的新聞還要花那個還要貸款三千億在很窮很虧損的狀況之下還可以擠出一個將近百萬的換logo的一個標案給綠油油 聶友貞 |
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然後你們也在喊窮然後台港業務幾乎都在停頓狀況之下然後也要花大錢 食品我覺得對一般的民眾來說食品 然後花將近百萬我們去年對香港 |
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有718億美金的貿易額我們對他就是704億就是百分之九十八你剛才不是講嗎 養套殺啦那你還要促進這個貿易 剛剛不是說養套殺嗎香港人來台灣 香港沒有養套殺香港130萬人次 引致於日本是境外來台好 來 主委我問你嘛所以我們應該促進對於港澳的經貿的交流 是嗎 |
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我想各方面的交流再進行,包括教育交流那奇怪了,那饒慶林要促進他的農產品交流就是會被養套殺啊你陸委會要促進對港澳的經貿交流就沒有人好搭我們沒有去普查到中國大陸去做這個農業交流不要在海峽論壇,這個是一個統戰平台,大家公認的 |
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如果他要行銷一下他的這個台東境內一些優良的這個農產品他一定要選平台是不是 |
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他一定要選平台在你們設定的平台所以我就講你的標準到底是什麼嘛我剛就不懂了因為你前面講的義憤填膺說這個跟中國大陸的經貿交流如果你要帶東西去就是會被養套殺你不要選擇海峽論壇的統戰平台嘛你在其他的對等尊嚴的這個農夫產品的貿易 |
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來請問一下指導一下如果他要行銷他的水果因為事實上其實行銷水果裡面也包含在香港的超市裡面他最貴的水果都是來自台灣的水果因為台灣的水果非常好我知道很多香港的民眾是喜歡台灣的水果 |
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我們私下也有透過黃建斌委員跟饒縣長說明我們也願意看看香港的市場可能比較沒有那種統戰的問題 |
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那我們需要能夠協助所以 楊棲林只能說農產品只能賣到香港港澳然後不能賣到中國大陸不要賣到本站品牌去你們又講這個港澳又是這個中國大陸對不對又是這個中國中央可以去指導的 |
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那我請問一下因為現在傳出說要對饒慶齡來做調查甚至做處分請問一下陸委會會調查饒慶齡嗎會處分饒慶齡嗎各位委員報告我們政府已經定調我們禁止中央與地方公務人員以任何形式參加海峽論壇所以無論是親自出席或是錄影 |
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當然都是參加,因為政府也都是...所以你要怎麼處分饒慶齡?來,怎麼處分饒慶齡?我跟委員報告這個...因為饒縣長之前復入的時候,他已經違規善改行程,會見送到,又沒有向營運署報備那這次又發生了在這次的爭議性的行為我們依照兩岸條例33條之一我們有請主管機關、內政部了解整個 |
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整個行政查處那等到行政查處出來我們才能夠根據哪一個法律來兩岸條例三審討之一就是未經政府許可不得與中共黨政軍從事任何形式的合作行為 |
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好 那所以你認為他錄一個影片就是違反兩岸人民關係條例囉我們沒有說違反我們還會做行政的查處不是 你是主管機關嗎對 但是還是有一個軍管機關他了解跟行政查處的結果我們才能判斷是不是有違法所以你不排除去懲處 懲處饒慶林那請問一下根據你兩岸人民關係條例最終饒慶林要怎麼被處分呢 |
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我們兩岸條例339之一的罰則是十萬元以上五十萬元以下所以不排除對饒清玲罰款的意思當然他有違法的事實你剛才說要查處 |
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跟委員報告 行政調查你剛說要交給內政部調查你沒有說有違反的事實你沒有經過內政部的查處你現在就說還有違反的事實我們沒有說違反的事實沒有說違法有違法 沒違法要經過行政調查看證據大主委說了算是吧沒有 我們尊重主管機關所以像這樣的事情你們確實要調查 |
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會去了解跟行政調查行政查處行政程序法對於當事人有利不利的應該都一併反映所以這件事情你們就拿著雞毛當令箭過去賴清德總統也當過台南市長他有沒有去做交流呢 有啊我想他不會到廠商平台去做交流 |
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也去做交流啊那你們這到底是什麼標準呢所以還要選擇選擇他是在哪一個平台這個平台都是你們說了算包含陳菊過去也有也有跟羅太太的主任一起握手一起 |
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他這個平台是為了統戰宣傳滲透分化瓦解我們抵抗中共併吞的意志最終是要消滅中華民國為什麼要在這個平台交流呢所以怎麼樣 饒清林用一個錄影然後中華民國就會被消滅了嗎這個錄影好偉大 |
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他做一個錄影然後選擇一下他的農產品然後這話民國就會被消滅了主委啊他深深陷入我們給他法律罪而且不得從事任何形式的財政財政問題我要講的是請不要用行政的干預來干預我們現在的縣市長照顧他的農民第二你們不能用你們不能夠用兩套標準 |
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不要民進黨的政治人物做了就是促進兩岸交流不要讓農民要求把兩套牌的公平這樣對右手農民不公平不要把農民拿出來吧如果今天他作為父母幹對農民不好的事情他也不敢做啊你選的首長請問一下他不照顧他的選民嗎 |
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768.213 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
他不照顧他的選民嗎所以你在這邊講就是說你今天作為一個行政首長你收到上級的指示然後你就認定說這個首長他讓他讓這個選民然後被養套殺我剛才也講了你有兩套標準嘛怎麼會說賣到中國大陸就是養套殺賣到廠商平台去 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
781.463 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
809.796 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
怎麼會賣到頭在裡面 他是賣到這個論壇嗎你把社會死定了然後也不會因為一個地方首長錄了一個影片推銷他自己的農產品然後中華民國就消滅了不要用這麼大的帽子而且你們所謂做的懲處果然嘛就是你們這個民進黨裡面的人去放話對於這些民選的縣市首長是極為不公平的事情我必須要提醒諸位 好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
810.947 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
810.967 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
好 |