| IVOD_ID |
170047 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170047 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-17T12:22:40+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-17T12:35:16+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:36 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d79496a9ef369d5f6834a7eb624681430b61440ff5997928e8dc8e5a0085aab86e815814e389f4405ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
廖先翔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:22:40 - 12:35:16 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於大陸委員會部分。二、審查大陸委員會函送財團法人海峽交流基金會115年度預算書案。三、審查大陸委員會函送財團法人臺港經濟文化合作策進會115年度預算書案。四、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會、原住民族文化發展中心部分。五、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款原住民族委員會、原住民族文化發展中心部分。六、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金—原住民族綜合發展基金。七、審查原住民族委員會函送財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會及財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會115年度預算書案。【預算審查僅詢答，相關預算提案於115年6月24日（星期三）中午12時前截止收件。】【6月17日、18日兩天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席,麻煩邀請我們羅文嘉秘書長羅文嘉秘書長我們先討論民生,有時間再講政治就是我們現在海峽兩岸有一些台灣的同胞在大陸過世了那最近我自己身邊有一個這樣的服務案件那除了自己的案件也常聽到有一些類似的案件,就是說 |
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人在對岸過世了那可能沒有清除在那一邊然後導致他的遺體的處理出現了一些困難那先請教一下這部分應該是我們海基會的業務沒錯嗎如果有碰到困難他們向海基會請求協助的時候我們會提供協助目前這樣子SOP大概是怎麼樣如果說人在對面往生了然後聯絡不到台灣的家屬遺體就擺在那邊可能有些好幾年了分類型您講的這類型應該他可能 |
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去中國工作很多年了在那邊居住之後很多年跟台灣失去聯繫然後過世之後發現找不到台灣親屬你講的可能是這個類型對很多這種類型那這個類型呢基本上呢對岸會透過相關團體跟海基會聯絡請海基會來協助協尋在台灣還有沒有家屬親屬那我們隨即會透過內政部 |
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還有各地方政府去了解根據他提供的資訊到地方政府來了解他有沒有家屬如果有家屬我們隨即找到家屬想辦法找到家屬找到這家屬之後給他說明狀況然後請求家屬能不能有幾個方式第一個親自前往如果家屬願意處理那就簡單如果家屬不願意處理他願不願意簽相關的授權同意書 |
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是如果他願意簽授權同意書一般就他們不配合的話你講完全不配合就不配合完全不配合這個問題我們就會回覆到對岸是說相關如何如何那對岸他就要跟據說他確實找不到 |
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或是家屬不願意簽據相關的同意書那這個問題那就你們的了解現在大概有多少的在大陸往生的人因為這些程序的關係導致他還沒有辦法火化你們有沒有了解有多少的案例 |
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我們的案例基本上沒有做特別的統計因為他是有陳情來我們協助處理我們處理這段是想辦法在台灣找到授權同意書當我們完全沒辦法滿足沒有家屬願意做這個事情會無法取得我們告訴對岸那對岸他就要去評估他要怎麼處理他的處理方式有很多有很多方式有可能是 |
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那我就希望說我們海基會我今天就先把問題提出來除了自己本身遇到了我在大陸也會聽到一些類似這樣子的一個狀況能處理的當然就照剛剛您講的程序處理不能處理的我們也要有一個最後的一個方案然後來告訴對岸可能他因為他人畢竟還是我們中華民國政府的國民嘛那我們海基會是不是能夠授權怎樣的一個文書讓他們能夠全權處理 |
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我想我還是要有這樣的一個機制當所有現有的機制沒辦法解決之後那也不可能永遠讓他在那邊永遠不入土為阿嘛那目前現在就是有這樣的一個狀況有的案例但非常少那按照法律的相關規定兩岸各自的法律規定基本上沒有同意書就不能火化 |
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是,那大體就不能火化,這是相關的,他的法律這麼規定有沒有辦法由中華民國政府,或者由我們海基會來出具統一書這樣的方式?基本上對岸不會,他的法律的效力...海基會嘛,海基會嘛 |
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如果說海基會的話我們也願意來協調和協助或者說那趨勢的一些困難那既然問題出現了就是要把它解決嘛我們今天把問題提出來那我也不見得有比你們更好的方式但是現在就是問題出來希望我們海基會後續來探討一下那也跟隊員討論一下能夠怎麼樣把這些事情我們有兩個處理的方式方向 |
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第一個如您所講的我們要協調有沒有透過一個正式機制可以獲得解決一旦碰到這種案例第二個在沒有正式機制和法律上可以處理的時候我們有沒有其他的可解決的方式那事實上還是有的好那就麻煩我們的海基委那後續再慢慢做這方面的一個問題的一個探討好謝謝那就先回頭我們請那個邱主委 |
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主委好 最近我們陸委會就是宣告這個海峽論壇是統戰一個平台那當然統戰它是一個概念 它有一個目的那剛剛我也聽到您清楚的表達它的一個目的就是消滅中華民國政府嘛對不對 那你也知道我上禮拜有去平台嘛對不對那消滅中華民國我就很老實在這邊跟主委分享一下 |
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其實我在海峽論壇的過程中完全沒有聽到任何一個這個中共的官員公開的在提到統一這兩個字那我想請問陸委會的事我們過去海峽論壇辦了很多次嘛他們在會議當中曾經出現了怎樣子的言論或是活動的流程讓我們的陸委會判斷他這個論壇的目的是在消滅中華民國政府 |
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有沒有相關的案例可以分享?謝謝委員最主要是他辦了很多在這個統戰平台有很多的政治前提那一定要支持九二共識反對台獨 |
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或者是要答應所謂的支持九二共識反對台獨跟消滅中華民國並沒有直接的關聯委員我們知道中共領導人習近平在2019年元一二號習五條就特別提到他重新定義九二共識所謂九二共識就是兩黨屬意中共和國家統一統一在一國兩制台灣關係上我們林登輝總統的這個促統會裡面怎麼解釋一個中國 |
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李登輝總統在促統會裡面是怎麼形容一個中國我們那個時候就是李登輝那時候的說法應該是 |
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前面就是一個中國的一個原則雙方認同一個中國的原則但是對於一個中國的含義各自不同也就是你講你的我講我的那為什麼現在好像變成我們陸委會每天在引用對岸的一個論述來變成我們的論述這就變得一個非常奇怪的事情 |
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我們政府認為沒有所謂的九二共識在當年九二年也沒有留下這種東西那雙方對於所謂一中原則的意涵認知顯有不同所以我們就用口頭 |
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這就是所謂的過去國民黨朋友回到我們的問題海峽論壇裡面到底有什麼東西是讓我們陸委會判斷他是要消滅我們中華民國的政治前提跟消滅中華民國沒有直接關係吧 |
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那委員你試試看你去海峽論壇說我來自於中華民國我當然那中華人民共和國來台灣我也不允許啊我也不允許他說他支持中華人民共和國啊這就是各自表述的意圖只要對等尊嚴的交流我們都非常樂意去協助也肯定這種交流那回到我剛剛說的話我們三層論壇兩無論壇這個論壇還是論壇有哪一項會被認為是 |
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會被認為是要消滅中華民國如果你能夠說服我我也不會帶過去了嘛我是中華民國派我永遠效忠中華民國啊是不是但是你要說服我為什麼這樣子的論壇被你們定義為要消滅中華民國我們從另外的方向海峽論壇是它的軟手硬手軍機建擾台外交打壓經濟脅迫社會滲透 |
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靠近鎮壓的法律戰 鋪天蓋地的認知作戰 灰色地帶的侵擾這哪一項不是為了併吞台灣消滅中華民國的舉罪國民黨也都譴責嘛 那回到了論壇本身嘛 如果說這些行為都可以 |
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你們都這樣判斷那就根本就不用介入在這個論壇了而且連大陸都不能去了嘛對不對我們立法委員我們是沒有規範我們是如果要懲到這一些都代表九二共和共的海峽論壇的精神不能去的話 |
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導致這些行為導致不能去海峽論壇的話那應該不只是海峽論壇不能去應該是整個連大陸都不能去了嘛不要這麼說我給你報告其實對海峽論壇開始設限 |
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是從這個2012年在馬政府執政的時候就開始對於當時候的海峽論壇的一些就開始禁止中央人員去中國大陸同時也不同意讓海峽論壇的分支機構在台灣舉辦這個是從2012年就開始留下來這些政策立場我們到現在只是不斷的補強他的政策立場 |
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那當然我們也知道中共對台灣的複合性的施壓,步步兼逼極限施壓也因此我們也認為地方政府的人也不應該前往這些地方的輪廓我們都知道啦只是說具體在海峽論壇這上面我好像沒有得到我想要的答案啦那你認為說假設我認同海峽論壇它是有統戰的意涵 |
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那不然就是統戰平台從馬政府實在就認為有能耗的抵抗力統戰不是只統一 這個主委非常清楚嘛對不對統戰就是聯合次要敵人 打擊主要的敵人嘛但是就我的觀察來看目前譬如說包括我現在在這邊講我是中華民國派我永遠效忠中華民國我到那邊完全都沒有受到任何的一個算是不禮貌的對待或者是任何的被跨境鎮壓還等等的 |
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但是我們可以看到對岸是對什麼東西是最不滿的我們都很清楚是對台獨不滿的嘛對不對與其說海峽論壇我沒有期待你同意啦但與其來說如果說你要把海峽論壇當作一個是統戰平台的話那就是 |
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打這個你要聯合哪個次要敵人來消滅中華民國中華民國就分兩邊嘛一個是台獨派一個是中華民國派你要消滅中華民國派那就是聯合次要敵人就是台獨派來消滅中華民國不然你就是聯合中華民國派來消滅台獨派就只有這兩個選擇嘛 |
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我們國內不分黨派都要團結一致面對中國大陸的威脅我們都應該有一個基本的認識今天最主要改變現狀的 |
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危害兩岸關係的製造兩岸緊張的區域動態不安的原因啊國際社會都認為是中國大陸對台灣的這個複合性施壓我們應該要2016年的兩岸關係跟現在怎麼樣剛剛你有非常清楚的說明現在比那時候還更不好 |
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我們當然希望兩岸的關係還是民進黨的關係大家都會有一個心中自我的一個政治判斷啦我一直希望說陸委會的職責應該是要把現有的兩岸的摩擦跟惡意去把它降低而不是為了執政黨的政治的我們沒有為什麼黨派我們就是為了傷害台灣人民的事情台灣守護中華民國我們的兩岸政策還是一樣 |
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我們是不配不抗維持現狀雖然我們受到很多挑戰威脅但是我們還是堅持在對等尊嚴持續的健康有序的交流好 謝謝謝謝好 謝謝廖先生 |