| IVOD_ID |
170046 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170046 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-17T12:08:21+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-17T12:22:23+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:02 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d79496a9ef369d5f182f0f712ab6e6e90b61440ff5997928e8dc8e5a0085aab86e815814e389f4405ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
徐欣瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:08:21 - 12:22:23 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於大陸委員會部分。二、審查大陸委員會函送財團法人海峽交流基金會115年度預算書案。三、審查大陸委員會函送財團法人臺港經濟文化合作策進會115年度預算書案。四、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會、原住民族文化發展中心部分。五、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款原住民族委員會、原住民族文化發展中心部分。六、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金—原住民族綜合發展基金。七、審查原住民族委員會函送財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會及財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會115年度預算書案。【預算審查僅詢答，相關預算提案於115年6月24日（星期三）中午12時前截止收件。】【6月17日、18日兩天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席 本席有請邱主委入委會 |
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邱主委好本席首先就直接先問一個基本的判斷主委您認不認同近期我們兩岸的情勢沒有趨於緩和反而是變得更複雜更嚴峻更不可預測您認同嗎 |
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是的,我們在6月1號到10號,中共的海警船、海巡船、公務船到我們東部外海,宣稱他擁有主權跟管轄權,這部分當然會帶給兩岸關係高度的對立。 |
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應該也不止這些啦我們長期以來當然中共軍機海警在台海周邊常態化包含我們海底電纜被破壞的這些疑慮認知作戰假訊息 |
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這些狀況還有包括ECFA的優惠陸續取消還有我們國人、婦、路、港澳、人身安全的風險升高等等所以您剛剛也認同我們真的兩岸的情勢更加的嚴峻更不可預測 |
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所以既然兩岸情勢更嚴峻的話我們可以知道這兩岸的這個風險已經不是過去單純的交流問題或是協商問題這些都涉及到國家安全經濟安全資訊安全以及人身安全都變成是複合型的風險是複合性的施壓那也是複合型的施壓那所以呢在這樣的一個情況下 |
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我們陸委會一直跟對岸還是沒有辦法做理性的溝通這個部分是很大的一個問題 |
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是 跟我們報告 我們跟絕大部分的人都一致我們希望維持台海和平穩定繁榮的現狀那你具體的做法 你希望 大家都希望我們現在沒有說什麼交流中斷我們現在跟中國大陸還有許多的交流進行你們沒辦法跟對岸談嗎 |
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我想我們海基會在這邊我們海基會我想經常就傳相當多的資訊兩岸溝通管道有沒有中斷我想是他們製造的障礙他們要我們答應他政治前提 |
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這個政治前提就是要九二公式一個中國原則在九二公式裡面沒有中華民國生存的空間我們介於保衛中華民國維護台灣主義我們不可能接受那個這些你都講過 |
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你的理由永遠一致那在你這樣的前提下你入委會你不可以致我們不管是台商過去經商或者是我們台灣人民我們過去這個旅遊交流他們的風險你不能 |
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我們陸委會他你更需要具備風險的預警國人的保護還有台商的協助交流管制反制統戰等等甚至跨部會的協調能力 |
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所以陸委會的責任其實應該是更重的但是我們陸委會就因為一個對岸如何如何所以很多你應該要做的你都沒有做那沒關係我本席接著問你面對這樣的情形陸委會至少要有四種能力你們看看你們具備幾種第一個風險研判 |
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的能力政策預警的能力跨部會協調的能力還有我們對國會和人民說明你們陸委會成效以及問責的能力我請問你這四個能力你具備了幾個 |
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跟委員報告就風險研判你回答我幾個就可以了我覺得至少我們都努力在達成包括風險研判我想我們陸委會的同仁長期在做兩岸情勢風險的研判提供給決策參考提供給百工百業我們台灣社會來注意你有提供風險研判嗎對我上次質詢的時候你提供了什麼你講一下 |
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是 我們政治經濟社會各方面的政策對 政治經濟社會 文化各方面你是提供政策還是你提供研判現在我們台灣人不同的身份你有提供不同的警示嗎如果他要去大陸的話 |
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我們平時在我們網路上面平時都要呼籲所以你們在網路上呼籲你剛說要溝通嘛 要努力溝通包括跨部會的溝通我們跟跨部會的溝通是非常順暢那我請教你我們國人赴陸港澳的安全分級機制你們有列出來嗎 |
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我們很關注我們國人所以沒有列出來啊所以你的風險研判你並沒有提供啊我們定期都有發布我們在中國大陸遇到的人身自由風險的警示比如說我們其實我們對每一個個案都很關注而且這一些風險它可能是複合性的 |
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他不一定是單一的有些人他可能是因為政治因素有些人可能經濟有些人經濟加政治他可能過去經商他可能又是民進黨的黨員所以他又有了政治的因素所以這些複合的風險指標你們並沒有定出來 |
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那本席今天因為要審預算我們特別說你們陸委會一百一十五年稅出的預算比上一年度一百一十四年你增加了一億四千三百三十八萬六千元你的增幅增加了16%本席剛剛問陸委會基本的四項能力 |
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你說你至少有兩項但實際上你講的第一個風險研判我也也沒看到你實際做出來風險研判我們的資料非常多我們跟社會公布的也很多那你如果要了解我們都可以願意跟委員做這個說明沒有我就最基本講的你國人 |
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去入港澳的你安全機制你有沒有給好那我請問你有沒有經濟脅迫預警清單呢有沒有跟委員報告經濟脅迫預警也是我們非常重視我們今天發布了第一個在中國大陸經商它除了經濟的風險又多了政治的風險同時中國大陸的經濟下滑 |
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我們都提出很多的風險讓我們台商了解你提出來讓台商有感台商出了問題你能處理嗎你能夠協助處理嗎本席聽說你就是列出一堆律師名單給他們 |
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我們的陸委和我們的政府的機構相關的單位沒有辦法給他協助嘛委員不是這樣 包括海基會的財經法律顧問我們台商張老師我們透過許多的工協會都一起在幫我們政府來協助我們的台商 |
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大陸台商就是負大陸投資那他頭洗下去了他先投資了一些後來可能大陸方面他用司法脅迫要求說我們大陸有一些需要你有一些更先進的技術我要求你要拿過來 |
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那台商沒辦法,頭洗下去只能這樣那這種情形你們怎麼處理?你有沒有處理的經驗?我們過去要長期來輔導、協助台商大概分幾個類型就針對我的問題回答就好,都沒時間了我們對台商還是要在地輔導你有沒有經驗?你有沒有碰過?你有沒有協助?有沒有協助成功?有沒有績效? |
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我想這些成功案例跟績效很多海基會就是一個我想他們有很多具體的案例我們經貿處有很多具體的案例內委會也是有很多那這些部分我想如果委員知道我們都可以把這些成效成果提供給您你說有但我們聽不到具體的你說你要提供給我可以會後提供給我那最後我要再問你這個 |
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我們現在有關認知作戰很多快速的澄清以及AI深圍應處的機制你們有嗎我們最重視這個鋪天蓋地的認知作戰我們有結合快速澄清跟這個AI深圍你的應處機制你有嗎有成效嗎當然我們立委會是站在如果中國大陸有這個深圍的這個 |
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短影片或者是機器人的假帳號鋪天蓋地我們都會跟相關主管機關配合我們最主要要把它澄清澄清最重要對 你有嗎我們一直在做我們也跟各部會在努力但是我們覺得因為他現在因為現在他與時俱進我們看到的是跟不上再來再來 |
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這個陸委會其實很多我們跟大陸的問題是跨部會的所以陸委會有沒有辦法跨部會同仇剛剛跟您報告就是我們跟各部會的溝通非常的暢通而且 |
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非常有效率我們看到的只要跟大陸發生什麼事是各部會各司其職各自運作你有跨部會統籌?絕對不會各自運作大部分對中國大陸我們統籌各部會形成一致的做法 |
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那很快的在國安會的指導之下都能夠因應對中國大陸來的挑戰我們今天提出來的詢詢你會後你提出具體的因為你在回答的時候都沒有任何具體的沒有委員不能這樣說你要讓我有時間講來所以我們沒有我時間給你你都不照問題回答你就開始扯委員你不能這樣講那我們願意跟你說明提供資料好我們最後結論來講我們 |
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陸委會今年預算增加了16%嘛你預算增加你能力要增加嘛跟我們報告我們去年預算被刪掉18%那你就給我你的績效好不好我剛剛提的幾個面向你績效給我嘛你的反制作為你也具體提出來給我還有你的預警呢我們反統戰反滲透的具體作為我想這一年來社會是有目共睹你就具體提出來好不好多久給我一個禮拜內 |
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可以嗎 下禮拜三嘛你都已經有現成的啊 你就整理給我嘛好 我們盡量快好 下禮拜五以前因為這不是具體現成的好 謝謝謝謝陸委會主席那我很快的請原民會我們曾主委一提好不好委員好 |
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鄭主委本席最後的時間要替我們所有原鄉的孩子來爭取就是我們原鄉孩子最大的困難不是不努力是距離是離機會太遠什麼機會呢他們住得遠上學也遠補習也遠 |
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網路也遠 還有家裡可以支撐他的資源也比較遠所以本席想了解 園民會有沒有把整個我們園鄉的孩子的交通 住宿 課後陪伴 數位學習包含他的心理支持 升學輔導整合成一張本席想看到的我們園鄉兒少的學習支撐地圖 |
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你們針對原鄉兒少的學習有沒有一個完整的你們的對原鄉兒少的照顧那當然我稱它為支撐地圖有沒有主委你就先回答我有沒有因為時間有限嘛 |
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有啊有有好那你說明一下簡要說明跟委員說明一下從幼教到學前到我們國民教育界都我們有一個完善的對原住民孩子的支撐包括清函的獎助學金包括我們在課後的照顧包括我們在數位的辦讀都是我們原民會目前都在做的心理支撐呢生學輔導生學輔導跟在水教育部的業務 |
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啊 沒有啊你如果這樣說到時候中小學啊這屬於縣市政府的業務不可以這樣我們為什麼這個變成教育部我們這完整的你原鄉的孩子你要你這一塊要把它補強來而且就本席了解我會提出來就是我們覺得還缺乏當然你說有那沒關係會後你也提出具體的這個證明讓我們看好不好好 謝謝 |