| IVOD_ID |
170038 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170038 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-17T11:51:37+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-17T12:01:01+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:24 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d79496a9ef369d5f5cb5076387808b526bbd52fc739e0447e8dc8e5a0085aab878ef0510ede47c525ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:51:37 - 12:01:01 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於經濟部主管 ：經濟作業基金、水資源作業基金、經濟特別收入基金及核能發電後端營運基金。(詢答)
【所列預算提案於115年6月25日(星期四)下午5時截止收件】
【6月17日及6月18日二天一次會】） |
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主席好 我們請部長請工部長 謝謝 |
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同樣就能源的議題跟您請教啦因為這兩天大家看到那個深威能源準備要下市了那這裡有兩個可以關心的點第一個點是原本深威所承接的是離岸豐電的二期嘛是副威他副威得標啦那母公司是深威啦那現在的問題是說那個二期原本是說去年的下半年就應該要商轉 |
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就是等於可以開始發電了但現在已經是2026年的6月了等於大概已經將近晚了一年多那目前的進度我看到經濟部包括就是相關單位都有出來講不過講的數據沒有統一啦有人是說進度已經達到90部長是說90嘛對不對那有人是說96 |
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都是講的不一樣90以上那聽起來這個90這個數字感覺上很快完工可是實際上剩下沒有完成的部分就是最困難的 |
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沒有 是最簡單的沒有啦 這個他接下來要最困難是機裝的部分 打機裝 打機廚打機裝啦 但是他要海上吊掛也不容易啦他要併網測試那些對 那個都已經準備好了準備好 但是都還沒有做電纜 水管的電纜也弄好部長你樂觀 當然我們也是樂觀啟程因為我們希望這個錢做要趕快商轉 |
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問你講一下進度,第一個,到底完成90以上嗎?第二個,你的講法就是說,現價部分是很簡單的,所以很快可以完成,所以以你來預估,因為現在已經慢了一年,那大概什麼時候,這個二期,離岸風電的二期會開始上傳,開始發電? |
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就是說包委員就是現在就是說我剛才提到的電纜也鋪好了其他都做好了那現在就是說天候狀況如果好的話他船也準備好了就會把這個機裝就會把上面的那個裝風機齁載出去把它裝上去那差不多的話 |
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因為如果天氣好一天就可以裝一隻所以說我們最快的話大概年底今年年底可以商轉把它裝完裝完以後明年就可以病亡明年什麼時候大概明年開始就可以那現在是誰要做這個事情還是一樣是富威嗎 |
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現在合約來講的話是付威但是他不是執行執行者執行者是他的供應商我知道還是由他負責就對了他沒有解約嘛因為現在有消息是講說他們想要解約嘛然後後來我看到經濟部台電是說沒有關係即便解約還是會把他著手完成可是現在聽部長講法是說他們還是會把他完成啊 |
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沒有 還在協商當中還在協商就是不代表會這樣所以可能光是協商就是會很長一段時間工程一定在持續進行當中因為還在合約當中第一個就是他還在合約當中第二個不然你剛剛說在協商嘛協商是有可能就解約嘛那如果解約那由誰來做這件事解約的話他的供應商會完成還是由他的供應商會完成 |
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所以您是很有信心大概明年上半年嗎?對,今年底我們會把它方式完成 今年底工程就完成然後所以明年,大概明年上半年還第一季,就會開始商轉 對對對對好,這是第一件事情,就是進度的部分 是第二個是因為那個深威他準備要下市啦,裡面有很多小股東我覺得這個 |
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很多人忽然間買的股票當初是因為政府一直講說風電光電嘛國家對啊看好啊所以去買這個股票結果沒有想到政府看好的國家對也會有一天走上下市變成幣值這我不知道鋪長你的有沒有什麼話要對這些股民講 |
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就經濟部來講我們的目的就是說如果這些風機得標以後按照合約來進行那可以按照同樣的時程它可以裝置完成併網那這個是我們最重要的我是說面對這些血本無歸的這個看好政府講的國家隊然後去投資的這些股民數萬名股民 |
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然後因為相信政府啦我昨天還特別去查了2050年行政院講的淨零碳排的網站還是繼續講2050淨零碳排大概債政人員會佔六成其中主力是風電跟光電所以政府到現在還在講說要發展光電跟風電所以大家講說國家隊去投資啊結果怎麼知道國家隊也會下市所以我那對這些股民情何以堪啊所以我想說部長有沒有什麼話跟他們講啊 |
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當然工程進度你已經回答了我說就這些股民而已 |
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因為我們不方便對於股市個案做一些評論我覺得應該也是蠻遺憾的然後再來我想問一下那個屋頂型光電因為接下來有一個新制說蓋新大樓都要裝屋頂型光電主要是內政部主政因為能源局有回應那回應什麼呢因為有委員或外界會擔心主要是看到去年丹納斯颱風 |
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349.111 |
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374.73 |
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來了之後結果中南部有一些屋頂型光電被吹下來了嘛有一些只剩支架或者是光電板下來那後來我看能源局講法是說有改新規啦現在如果住宅要蓋那個光電板的話要能夠防十七級陣風所以說不會有這個問題這個是能源局的回應那第一個就是那之前的屋頂型的光電板咧之前的咧你們有 |
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395.75 |
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屋頂型好像都一直有要求都要求那上次的風吹的主要是地面的問題也有屋頂的也有屋頂的所以第一個就是說針對已經有的屋頂型的光電板那如果你的新規是17級要防止一陣風我們這個規定事實上比很多的違章建築都還要嚴格 |
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原格非常多啊但重點是之前就是有光電板被吹下來嘛我現在兩個面向嘛第一個是之前已經裝的會被吹下來的你們有沒有什麼管理的方法嘛第二個是說那現在要求建商以後都要防十七級陣風那光電板管理都是內政部主政嘛 |
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我是不是說當初訂這個規定的時候有沒有跟內政部討論未來是要有住戶來管理這個光電板其實衍生管委會或者是一般住戶很大的負擔那這個部分有沒有討論說會不會有管理上的問題跟委員幫那時候在跟內政部談的時候就談到說未來這個建好以後那個管委會接手的那些管理的方式那個都有在全部在規劃當中有配置 |
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對啊 那問題是管委會其實平常要管的那社區的事項就已經還蠻多的那現在多了一個光電板要他們來管理 要他們來維護而且會在屋頂上面佔了很大一個面積 影響他們的空間跟委員報告一下 他這個就像我們一般住戶大樓不是有些電梯嗎那些電梯的定檢就像類似那種定檢的房子去處理 |
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電梯是因為大家一定要搭電梯嘛現在是你們能源局給住戶新增的負擔嘛所以是因為那個太陽光電廠也會增加那個用戶他的供電韌性所以他以後他建好以後他那個太陽光電比如說白天發電的時候那個部分他用戶就可以 |
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因為住戶一定會增加負擔 所以在這個部分 內政部你們跟內政部有去跟官員會去溝通就之後的啦 有沒有一個什麼機制可以讓他們了解還是說就是他們房子買了以後這個就給他們那也不知道要怎麼弄 |
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538.286 |
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有沒有相關的我想那上面他們都有跟住戶有跟建商或住戶他們做過溝通嘛才會這樣來做一些配套措施而且這個太陽光電事實上對這個電源安全的韌性也會有幫助如果天災人禍因為你大樓來講的話你還是要有一個緊急用電設備嘛然後將來太陽光電也可以類似有這樣的功能嘛 |
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561.466 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
那也要剛好有太陽啦這樣也不行啦是啊 對啦 當然我是覺得你們還是要跟內政部因為配合經濟部做的這個措施其實會影響到很多管理會的管理啦還是要多溝通啦不然大家還是會有疑慮但形式也有很多種啦甚至於就是說他的這個上面是租給這個開發商那開發商就會幫他們管理OK 好 謝謝 |