| IVOD_ID |
170026 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170026 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-17T09:55:39+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-17T10:08:37+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:58 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d79496a9ef369d5fe023862c76e0fa010b61440ff5997928d92a49a8a6720cc4aca9bc7b5eabd6695ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王美惠 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:55:39 - 10:08:37 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於大陸委員會部分。二、審查大陸委員會函送財團法人海峽交流基金會115年度預算書案。三、審查大陸委員會函送財團法人臺港經濟文化合作策進會115年度預算書案。四、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會、原住民族文化發展中心部分。五、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款原住民族委員會、原住民族文化發展中心部分。六、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金—原住民族綜合發展基金。七、審查原住民族委員會函送財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會及財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會115年度預算書案。【預算審查僅詢答，相關預算提案於115年6月24日（星期三）中午12時前截止收件。】【6月17日、18日兩天一次會】） |
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主席,我們先錄一下我們的政府如果中國辦的海上論壇定調是統戰的平台 |
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但是阿強的批評是認為是一個兩岸關係的和平所有的認定差很多,一邊是統戰,一邊是和平的想法但是另外一方面,中國的軍隊跟軍艦完全沒有對中華民國的台灣 |
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交料停過了,第六月十三日他們開幕那天,同樣是對中華民國的台灣,這樣會交料,這樣會亂,主委,你想為一個六月會的時候, |
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中國根基重感、公務的一尊,來照料台灣,在你的立場,你敢不敢來?來,你回答一下。是,剛剛金正恩議員,海峽論壇就是不折不扣的中共對台統戰的大平台。 |
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雖然他會包裝成善意的和平的但是另外一方面就是剛剛委員說的對台嚴重的複合性施壓包括剛剛委員說的最近6月1號到6月10號才在我們東部的海域宣稱他對於這片海域有主權有主權權利還有管轄權 |
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還派出海警船跟海巡船還有公務船在進行整個我們海域的這種這些這個依法來巡航這個事情我想我們已經嚴重提出抗議也就是說海峽論壇一方面它在彰顯它在淪落它在做統戰的工作那另外一方面就是持續打壓我們所以我們 |
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對於海峽論壇這個統戰平台我們在海峽論壇要正式活動之前我們都有政策立場 |
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像今年的政策一樣第一個就是我們禁止中央跟地方公務人員以及所屬前往參加不得以任何形式去參加那第二個呢我們仍然是秉持著過去不能把海峽論壇的分支活動或跟隨性的活動在台灣舉辦我們也不同意地方政府跟他們一起合辦後來主委你已經說得很清楚 |
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希望我們沒有去參加的,那是統戰的舞台在這個過程當中,什麼叫做參與,是什麼叫做任何的形式參加在最近,也有,剛才我們董事說的,台東的館長 |
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他為了他的農民,為了他要生存,所以他會去做這件事他想,他現在解說的是因為,這間的政府沒力所以他想為了他們的觀眾,他才這樣做的所以在,主委你的感覺 |
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現在 他們都落下了嘛 現在他們的定位是什麼是參加 或是議路 或是參與 這很大規模的這是人民關係法的33條 這一項的這是非常嚴重的所以啦 主委 主委有話要講 |
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我想姚縣長剛剛我們也提到他在之前去中國大陸他就善改行程會見宋濤沒有向移民署報備他已經有一個違規有生意進行就不要這樣了啦不要這樣的時候你不要再自慰一下不要再說 |
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你這樣不行嗎?對日本這次要去,也是經過我們...沒有啦,我現在要問說他已經有法規宰身的時候,那邊你有說嗎?有啦,這次我們也是不同意他以任何形式參加海峽論壇他有視訊或是錄影去參與那這個也讓很多民眾認為不妥 |
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沒有啦,你中不妥是,要中華民國的人會說不妥,站在我們中華民國的台灣的政府委員會裡面,你是參與參加,還是合作啊 |
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這個參加任何形式的合作行為我們認為都有涉嫌那我們現在已經有請內政部進行了解跟行政的查處那查處出來我們就可以判斷他有沒有違法不過要跟委員報告的話 |
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我一定是強調這個海峽論壇是中共典型的統戰平台它主要是對台這個統戰宣傳滲透分化瓦解我們台灣抵抗中共併吞的意志最終它就是要消滅中華民國所以海峽論壇只是一個統戰宣傳的平台還有養大殺的陷阱所以我們政府 |
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有責任把這個平台把這個統戰平台它這種政治化高風險的風險把它降低所以我們要求各級公務人員不得參加的理由在這裡那我們也會進行必要的行政查處對於姚縣長 |
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他雖然要去推銷農藝產品我們其實推銷農藝產品我們都很支持我們都沒有禁止只是不要跟海峽論壇混為一談如果你把農藝產品中共把農藝產品就當成是統戰工具我們要買它 它要拿我們買我們會受到歡喜啦 |
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中華民國的臺灣的農民啊要批評說要讓我們賣到正正的量還不可以讓我們賣像鳳梨這樣正正的量讓我們再讓我們退到回來尤其鳳梨要有新鮮度的時間所以主委在這裡本身要跟你說的就是說因為越來越超過越來越多研發 |
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要來煽動我們中國民國台灣人啦所以現在不是簡單把白色所想的說現在有的媽祖先把藥車拿去,有地方大,有地方吃 |
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這有的回來的時候,那10個人,那3個人,5個人說,這不錯喔,還不用出錢,跟後人交代,這就好了,主委,這就是非常嚴重的,所以未來的多元化會越來越多,不是跟拜拜,不是跟宗教而已,未來我相信, |
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有夠多會合謀會出來所以你要先去想好來請主委請這個來主席拜託花一個時間我跟我們原住民委員會主委談到這個 |
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主委 不好意思 你知道我們原住民在這幾年我們的政府對原住民有非常照顧包括福利也好 包括他要找道路也好我們都盡量去協助 但是在這個過程當中有的沒錢沒錢他不知道要怎麼處理 他就去地下施政救濟 |
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有的會這樣主委所以本身要告訴你們你們在我們住民的民族裡面有一個債務協助的一站到位的結尾裡面是一對一的這個一對一裡面對我們住民平時來說非常重要你能夠解決你要怎麼 |
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群眾要怎麼去選擇,要怎麼去選擇,可以來解決他們的問題。但是本身的所了解,你們在前半年,在嘉義市中間有7000人,嘉義縣中間有7000人,所以嘉台要加9000人。 |
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但是你們的說明,你們的什麼完全都沒有在自己的官司,來基本任務一場尤其最快的,你們跟公文給各官司發言 |
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再問十二天,你們在花蓮開一場,未來我們四個月以後,這半天是不是可以在家裡關起,不用讓他開車也好,騎摩托車也好 |
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最快要50分之一點錢因為你最快的一半的活動主要在台南要最快到高雄去購物所以主委 我覺得 |
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這次的,可以變民,可以一對一,可以讓我們關注民,因為他不知道他的財,要怎麼去處理的時候這是非常好的政策,但是我們做不到位,主委你回答一下 |
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好 這樣給議員報告是說這可能是因為人事的關係所以我們還沒辦 啊是不是我們現在來檢討 我們會在加以來補辦 這樣好不好 再補辦一下因為原主委要辦啦 因為不能讓人去到要聽什麼改革遺債務的問題我們還有專業 要協助的時候 覺得這個 |
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沒有菜啦,在這個過程裡面,主委,我們原住民的文化園區都沒有 |
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那些人的臨時在屏東參觀的大約84年24年,差不多23萬人啦尤其在古代,也很用心地在那裡上班過啦所以有的人,你可以提出你的創新,你正經在那裡大 |
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要怎麼讓全台灣在香港住民的文化加技術啊?你是醫生,我看到你的醫生,定當變一千一百幾萬啦,定年也差不多啦 |
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結果那些都過療癒了主委我們要有破裂覺得原住民是在台灣非常重要的文化所以我們要加強以上謝謝 |