| IVOD_ID |
170024 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170024 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
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| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-17T09:38:17+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-17T09:47:30+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:13 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d79496a9ef369d5f2cec21ee8b6dbce10b61440ff5997928d92a49a8a6720cc48bbdb5b55d1651485ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張智倫 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:38:17 - 09:47:30 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於大陸委員會部分。二、審查大陸委員會函送財團法人海峽交流基金會115年度預算書案。三、審查大陸委員會函送財團法人臺港經濟文化合作策進會115年度預算書案。四、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會、原住民族文化發展中心部分。五、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款原住民族委員會、原住民族文化發展中心部分。六、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金—原住民族綜合發展基金。七、審查原住民族委員會函送財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會及財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會115年度預算書案。【預算審查僅詢答，相關預算提案於115年6月24日（星期三）中午12時前截止收件。】【6月17日、18日兩天一次會】） |
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政委好好 主委好 主委賴總統上任來兩岸的關係持續緊繃將近五成的民眾擔心兩岸發生戰爭那今年是一個里程碑是海基會跟海協會中斷制度溝通跟協商機制的第十年那我們知道說陸委會你們一直在高喊要去風險化可是實質上我們看到兩岸關係越來越冰封那惡意螺旋一直上升 |
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那今年1月份那個我們的海基會蘇董事長也特別去參加了活動也親口證實對岸現在只憑喜好選擇性去讀我們的訊息那我想要請教一下政府現在長期就是讓聯盟感覺你們不是在對話是在對抗把兩岸關係降至冰點目前主委有沒有實質的破冰政策 |
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各位委員報告,我想兩岸因為對岸設置的這個政治前提,設置的障礙你答應他的政治前提,就是在幫忙他消滅中華民國我們沒有辦法接受這個政治前提雖然如此,我們仍然秉持著對等尊嚴、健康有序的交流持續地推動各種的對台灣有益的交流,沒有改變 |
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那我們以致力維護台海和平穩定繁榮的現狀全力以赴所以你知道說現在我請教你去年一整年我們台灣人負入觀光人數是多少人您知道嗎跟委員報告如果是我們從台灣過去的是 |
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是323萬那如果再從港澳過去的可能達到489萬沒錯 所以我要跟主委報告在你來講你當然是要維護台灣主權可是其實民間我們兩岸人民的交流不管是旅遊 貿易 經貿關係是非常的踴躍可是我們看到主委 |
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您感覺起來就像一個很硬的石頭一直在沒有辦法突破下一步所以我們很擔心這一點那本席想要請教的是您之前在採訪中也特別表示從今年一到五月份在大陸失聯的或被盤查或被刑法限制人身自由的85個人 |
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那這些這85個人其實是有比去年整體的比例來講稍微上升一點點那請問陸委會現在有辦法來去保障因為現在兩岸交流越來越頻繁保障我們台灣人在中國的人生中國大陸的人生安全跟基本的權益嗎來請回答 |
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謝謝張委員我感謝委員關心這個問題就是我們現在陸委會跟海基會都受理我們民眾的報案沒有報案可能更多我們從2024年有55件去年有221件今年1到5月就高達85件總共有361件這項目就是包括刑方不明失蹤的或者是被拘留盤查還有犯了中國大陸刑法被限制人身自由 |
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那我們很關切我們國人賦入的人身安全所以你知道問題是如何保護他們我想第一個我們當然是不斷的呼籲呼籲不要這個要前往中國大陸做審慎的評估那不要做不必要的這些賦入 |
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那第二個呢 那當然我們還在跟對岸進行有關於兩岸共同打擊犯罪與司法互助協議相關的警政交流我們希望也能夠瞭解我們國人剛那麼多案件我們希望能夠來維護兩岸之間有關於合同打擊犯罪 打造國人權益交流對岸有回覆嗎 |
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就警政交流的部分有不少就是委會的交流有回覆嗎 |
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您剛剛講的就陸委會的官方你們需要跟他們交流他們有回覆嗎陸委會他是沒有但是我們透過其他執法單位相關的這些互動仍然持續進行主委我本席在這邊要跟你拜託我也認同剛剛徐中信委員他特別的講法陸委會您剛剛的論述就是要好像要買手牌的感覺 |
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所以我的意思是說你不能左手跟人家好像講話非常的強硬右手又要跟人家這樣這當然會造成問題所以我請主委其實有時候這個手腕可能要再討論看看有什麼方法可以增進交流那下一個問題也是最近的新聞這個我國的代表團帶了30億去參加我們的海洋大會OOC在肯亞舉辦 |
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海洋海委會跟外交部去舉辦的一個活動結果海委會跟外交部的官員他的入境許可在核准後被無預警取消而且我們的團員也被召扣護照跟手機那一起台灣廣大的滑軟 |
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那當然這個是主要是外交部主要來協助相關的問題那針對陸委會我看到陸委會也是一樣用口頭在強制譴責那請問你們有沒有什麼實際的處理危機的方案跟反制的機制 |
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跟委員報告所以我們說兩岸關係這個不好當然跟它對於我們的複合性施壓有關係除了軍機建島台就是這種外交打壓而且這個外交打壓是變本加厲像這個案子我們在2015年我們參加海洋大會我們都獲得國際社會的肯定為什麼今年在肯亞辦我們的學者竟然會被 |
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拘留超過20個小時這是不可思議的事情那當然我們外交部我們海委會陸委會都同聲譴責中共用粗暴的政治力量干預我們參與國際社會我想兩岸關係不好要負最大責任的是中國大陸 |
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它無疑是台海緊張,區域不穩定最主要根源這是對於我們台灣這些複合性的施壓包括我已經強調,軍機盡腦台,外交打壓,經濟脅迫,社會滲透 |
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鋪天蓋地的這個認知作戰還有跨境鎮壓的法律戰還有灰色地帶侵擾那這些手段都是不拂緊筆而且極限施壓我想要了解兩岸關係緊張最主要還是中共他是一個麻煩製造者我們希望他能夠跟我們相向而行我們維持現狀的政策不變我們對等尊嚴推動健康有序的交流 |
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不變好 最後一個問題還是關於大家現在最關心的最近海峽論壇的方式的問題我們的台東縣長 勞欽林縣長針對這個台東的這個農民的生計錄製了短短幾分鐘的影片在海峽論壇來推廣釋迦那剛剛主委你有特別講不要去聽這個 |
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對岸的訊話 可是我想其實勞慶林縣長他是去賣農產品不是賣台所以我希望說這個主委這個部分還是要 |
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真正來去看說中央如果沒有辦法幫我們台東的農民找市場地方首長如果還要自救如果要被羅織罪名我們會感覺到其實民進黨政府是一個非常雙標的一個狀況而且把嚴肅的國安法拿來恐嚇我們地方首長跟基層農民的政策國安法我們一直呼籲我們附陸參加海峽論壇要 |
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要遵守我們兩岸的規範兩岸條例的相關規範我們只有用兩岸條例相關的規範我請教一下針對這個案子就立委會你們會怎麼樣來處理我們目前還是由主管機關進行了解跟行政方面的查處等到結果出來才能夠確定有沒有違法那你們大概會什麼時候有一個時間點嗎 |
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我們尊重我們主管機關內政部嗎是是好好謝謝謝謝謝謝委員 |