| IVOD_ID |
16998 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16998 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-31 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第7次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第7次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-31T08:31:01+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-31T17:22:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
08:50:59 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/8398b1826590a6098aef7b480dfa0b69b6918ac9a8133975c15c146824155546e77b3deb1871512e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-31T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第7次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢。二、10月31日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、11月4日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:31:01 - 17:22:00 |
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現在我們進行國事論壇向各位委員說明依照昨天協商結論各位今天願會在進行施政質詢議程時行政官員在行列席另外也請各黨團的幹部各黨團的幹部九點三十分 |
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到議場後方主席休息室我們進行本次會議議程之溝通9點30分請各黨團幹部至議場後方主席辦公室首先我們請張志倫委員發言林倩琦委員請準備 |
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院長各位同仁各位媒體朋友大家早安大家好一直以來民眾都在問為什麼公視董事會拖了快一年還沒換屆NCC委員人事案卡了一整年中選會委員任期也快屆滿行政院卻連名單都還沒送 |
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我們的憲政體制是要讓獨立機關依法行事不是看心情任命可是現在民進黨政府卻把人事提名當作政治籌碼讓制度空轉 職權真空變成行政怠惰的代名詞 |
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以公視為例第八屆董事會早在五月就任期屆滿文化部卻到現在還沒提出新名單理由居然是很多人不願意因為選任被羞辱請問政府的責任可以這樣推給別人嗎公視是公共媒體是全民的聲音平台結果董事會延任超過十個月 |
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節目政策 預算監督都受影響讓人不禁要問政府對公共媒體的責任感在哪裡再看NCC這個應該維護媒體公正的獨立機關委員席次長期懸缺 |
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業務甚至一度停擺行政院明明去年底就甄選好人選卻是拖到今年7月才送名單外界質疑是不是要挑時機選時機要等到風向對了才願意提這樣的NCC還有什麼獨立性可言 |
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中選會的情況也不遑多讓李金勇主委在內的六位委員任期到11月3日屆滿依法三個月前就該提出新名單送到立法院行使同意權結果到現在行政院才在徵詢朝野政黨明年國交就要舉行 |
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九合一選舉 中選會卻在無主狀態這對民主選舉公正是最大的諷刺 |
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本席發現 對民進黨政府來說這不是單一個案 而是一種習慣人事延宕已經成為民進黨政府治理下的慣例凡是攸關監督 獨立 制衡的單位能拖就拖 能卡就卡當權力集中到行政部門獨立機關就變成聽話機關 |
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本席在這裡嚴正呼籲民進黨政府儘速完成這三個機關的人事提名別讓制度被政治算計綁架獨立機關不能成為權力真空更不能淪為政黨工具請政府遵守制度善盡責任別讓人民繼續看著國家體制在原地空轉停滯不前謝謝 |
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謝謝張志倫委員的發言接下來我們請林倩琦委員發言陳冠廷委員請準備 |
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院長、府會同仁、媒體朋友大家好守住生態底線終結綠能亂象台灣目前在綠能開發與環境保育之間存在著嚴重的失衡近年台灣推動能源轉型的腳步很快但是在急救章的政策推動下卻出現越來越多的綠能亂象許多的環團來警告如果不及時補破網 |
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這場原本以綠能為名的運動恐怕會變成另外一場以環境為代價的開發浪潮從嘉義光電板在當日的石颱風崩毀廢棄物散落到水庫原鄉的綠電開發爭議我們都看到一個共同的現象就是監管不足 環拼鬆綁 |
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政策急躁許多應該是生態敏感區的地方如今佈滿了光電這些問題都讓人民開始質疑所謂的再生能源是不是還名符其實民間有很多訴求非常清楚國家公園風景特定區自然人文生態景觀應該全面排除開發水庫潮間帶都際保護區及山坡保育地應該要納入環評 |
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防止分割土地的規避審查這些呼籲都是提醒政府再生能源的發展不能踩在環境正義的肩膀上本席提出國家公園法的一個修正就是要在制度上補上一道防護國家公園的核心在保育 |
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不论是生态景观地质或文化国家公园都是国家级的自然资产要免于任何形式的开发侵扰然而现行条文对于再生能源设施没有明确的限制导致可能出现一些法律漏洞如果没有及时修法很多业者会以绿能为名进入国家公园设置光电案场或大型风电设施这对保育体系的根本威胁是很大的 |
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因此国家公园在区域内应该禁止再生能源发电的一些设备同时也要避免这个能源的需要避免影响能源避免影响整个公园的能源需求本期这边有一个弹书附属在公共设施保育研究或环境教育等国家公园的管理可以不要在这限制里面例如山屋 |
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這樣子的設計能夠兼顧環境保育和園區運作也能夠守住國家公園的完整也保障必要的永續使用能源轉型不能成為破壞環境的理由光電政策如果脫離土地承載的一個原則會從遠過去開發壓迫自然的錯誤 |
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因此本席在這邊提出國家公園法的一個修正那希望大家能夠一起來用法來明文化讓國家公園免於一些破壞我們應該要將人民的聲音一同落實保護我們美麗的寶島國家公園是全民共有不容許片面開發讓國家公園回歸保育本質讓綠能政策回到 |
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謝謝林倩琦委員的發言接下來我們請陳冠廷委員發言蔓玉珍委員請準備 |
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院長 各位同仁 大家早安70多年前 台灣推動跟著有棲田它讓29萬戶的這些農民有自己的土地這段成功的土地改革還有一些尚未解決的部分我們要共同完成那就是工地放民 還地於民 |
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戰後初期因為語言的隔閡政治環境等等的特殊性許多世代耕作的農民還沒有完成土地登記程序然後他們的土地後來會化為國有所以這些土地的主人變成了陳珠湖必須向國家繳納租金 |
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我認為這些農民不是占用者他們是歷史轉型的過程中制度未能充分保障的一群人我們嘉義是農業大縣我們有許多鄉親他是世代務農他們告訴我們最大的心願就是能夠把祖先留下來的土地正式傳給下一代我們全國有許多類似的狀況嘉義也有這樣的案例所以農民期盼了幾十年就是要一個公道就是要一個公平 |
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宜蘭大蘭號的事辦計畫我必須說讓我們看到問題是有機會被解決的當地的農民總算可以用合理的方式取得土地所有錢這證明了歷史遺留的問題只要有心就有辦法處理 |
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那我在這邊要正式的呼籲行政院把這個成功的經驗擴大到全國讓工地放領還定漁民的政策採取三個步驟第一個立刻啟動全國性的土地的這個普查清查所有具有歷史爭議的國有耕地那建立完整的資料庫這是第一點 |
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第二点我们希望制定差异化的解决方案对于一般的农业用地我们可以比照大南澳模式来去做放林但是对于环境敏感的土地我们可以提供它的耕作权或者是其他的补偿方案兼顾农民的权益也兼顾国土的保安 |
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那最後我們希望在修訂這個國有財產法或者是制定特別條例介入制度化的解決機制我們必須要在個案處理我們是希望這可以成為依法行政的常態作業 |
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這些農民是台灣的這個重要的農業守護者他們對糧食安全的貢獻是非常重要的他們要的不多只是希望我們世代更多的土地能夠民正嚴肅合法合情合理的傳承下去這不只是土地的問題而已它是國家對人民的承諾它是憲法的財產權的保障 |
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我請江這邊再次希望我們可以把公定範圍的這個政策能夠擴及全國真正的實施這個土地正義讓每一位辛勤的農民都能夠安心的在自己的土地上耕作謝謝大家謝謝陳冠廷委員的發言接下來我們請登記最後一位麥玉珍委員請發言 |
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主席各位親愛的家人大家好今天是我第三次呼籲行政院長卓榮泰我也親自拜託了卓院長回應我說我聽到了我當下很感動但是還是沒有正式行動我再次 |
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請求卓院長要依法公布新住民基本法實行日期因為到現在不論中央還是地方政府都無法確認哪些新住民能收到法律的保障地方單位要推廣於預算編列上也全被卡住 |
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這不是單純新住民的需求而是國家發展的基本目標新住民離鄉背井努力打拼在台灣結婚生子落地生根早已是我們的家人政府一再說 |
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要於國際接軌但卻忽略了最能連結世界的力量是最有活力的新二代他們天生擁有語言優勢多元文化是台灣走向世界珍貴的資產新住民基本法保障平等 收教權 |
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語言知識與學術研究是教育政策更是國家的責任法令已經三讀通過總統也已公布行政院在拖延就是對人民的不尊重 |
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我们要的是依法实行不是口头的承诺是行动的政府不是等待的借口今天我再次严正呼吁行政院 |
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應立即公告實行日期讓每一種語言都能被聽見讓每一種文化都能被看見讓新住民感受到尊重讓新二代自信傳承友善多元的台灣 |
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我會一次又一次呼籲直到新住民基本法真正上路的那一天新住民加油 臺灣加油謝謝大家 |
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發言會我們現在開始開會先處理朝野黨團協商結論請議事長報告出席人數我們請議事長宣讀朝野黨團協商結論 |
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立法院黨團協商結論時間114年10月31日星期五上午9時30分地點議場主席辦公室決定事項一各黨團同意定於114年11月7日星期五院會報告事項結束後先進行國家通訊傳播委員會人事同意權案記名投票表決投票時間為一小時原定施政質詢順延至下午進行當次會議不處理臨時提案二 上該行使同意權投票時 |
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主任委員 副主任委員及二位委員被提名人並為一張同意選票並由各黨團各推派一人擔任投開票監察員其相關投票事務工作屹立授權議事處辦理主持人韓國瑜 習相代表 傅坤祺 羅志強 林佩祥柯建民 鍾嘉斌 陳培宇 黃國昌 張祺凱 陳昭芝 宣讀完畢 |
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報告事項結束之後,我們先進行國家通信傳播委員會人事統一權案記名投票表決。投票時間為一個小時,原定施政質詢順延至下午進行。 |
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當次會議不再處理臨時提案二 上開行使同意權案投票時主任委員 副主任委員及兩位委員被提名人並為一張同意票並由各黨團推派一位擔任投開票監察員其餘相關投票事務工作依例授權議事處辦理抱怨會因為此次 |
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程旭文本次會議議事日程草案送院會處理現有黨團依照本院議事成立對本次會議議事日程草案提出異議現在我們進行處理並截止收案請一併宣讀各黨團提示內容 |
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本院民進黨黨團針對立法院第十一屆第四會期第七次會議議事日程報告事項質詢事項擬請增列報告事項二選案如附表是否有當進行公決本院國民黨黨團針對立法院第十一屆第四會期第七次會議議事日程報告事項質詢事項及對行政院長施政報告繼續質詢提引僅限列議程草案所立議案及下表所列十三案是否有當進行公決 |
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本院台灣民眾黨黨團針對第十一屆第四會期第七次會議議事日程報告事項質詢事項及對行政院長施政報告繼續質詢提議請限列議程長案所列一案及下表所列十三案是否有當進行公決本院國民黨黨團針對第十一屆第四會期第七次會議議事日程提議增列討論事項請限列如覆表五案 |
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並於對行政院長施政報告繼續質詢前處理是否有當進行公決本院台灣民眾黨黨團針對第十一屆第四會期第七次會議議事日程提議增列討論事項僅限列如覆表文並於對行政院長施政報告質詢前處理是否有當進行公決宣讀完畢 |
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辦委會現有黨團共識如下一 本次會議報告事項 質詢事項對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢照國民黨 臺灣民眾黨黨團提議通過其餘提案均列入公報記錄二 討論事項如後付表三 討論事項第一案特別條例制定案 |
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照协商结论进行处理四 讨论事项第二案国发基金调查报告案广泛讨论各党团各推派一位发言每人发言时间为三分钟发言完毕之后进行处理 |
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五 討論事項第三案之第五案之譴責案均不說明大體討論各黨團各推派一位委員進行發言每人發言時間為三分鐘近乎二讀交付協商本次會議議程就依黨團共識所列議案通過各黨團提均列入公報記錄本次會議議事程確定 |
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我們現在進行報告事項請民事長宣讀第四會期第六次會議議事錄宣讀立法院第十一屆第四會期第六次會議議事錄時間中華民國一百十四人十一二十八日上午九時至下午五時五十一分地點表演議場出席委員陳委員廷輝等一百零六人請假委員黃委員傑等七人內席官員行政院長卓榮泰等 |
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主席院長韓國瑜報告事項第一案宣讀表現第十一屆第四會議及第四五次會議一事務決定確定第二之十二十四之十六十八之二十六二十八之三十三十二之三十七三十九之四十五四十七至五十四 |
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五十六至七十二七十五至九十九十至一百一十一百一十二至兩百零九案均決定交互相關委員會審查處理及或交互相關委員會第十三十七二十七三一三八四六五五七三七四九一至九三案均決定進貨圖與相關提案並且協商 |
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第111案決定退回程序委員會重新提出第210至231案委內政委員會等所提出報告案執行事項本院委員執行部分三件對行政院長施政報告繼續執行決定下次會議繼續進行施政報告之執行討論事項第134案均決議通過第二 |
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二案決議交黨團進行協商第五案決議訂定及處理宣讀完畢報院會針對第四會期第六次會議遺失錄並沒有委員或黨團提出錯誤或遺漏之處我們現在做一下決定第四會期第六次會議遺失錄確定我們現在處理甄列部分請宣讀第一案第一案本院委員柯志恩等16名女居民法庭1223條條文修正常案議事處一間交司法及法制委員會審查宣讀完畢協議會有異議無異議通過 下一案 |
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第二案本院委員侯孟凱等16人凝聚大陸交通管理處罰條例第67條條文修正常案依次處理件交交通委員會審查宣讀完畢無異通告下案第三案本院委員侯孟凱等17人凝聚出犯民國新法第80條條文修正常案依次處理件交司法及法治委員會審查宣讀完畢無異通告下案第四案本院委員侯孟凱等16人凝聚增益管治法第16條及第28條條文修正常案依次處理件交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣讀完畢無異通告下案 |
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第五案 本院委員洪孟凱等19人凝聚職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案議事處意見將社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣傳完畢第六案 本院委員廖偉強等16人凝聚增益管制法第二條第26條及第28條條文修正草案議事處意見將社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣傳完畢第七案 本院委員楊崇英等28人凝聚民法第1223條條文修正草案議事處意見將司法及法治委員會審查宣傳完畢 |
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第八案 本院民進黨黨團領據財政收支劃分法第十六條之一為分配款運用暫行條例草案議事處委員交財政委員會審查 宣讀完畢第九案 本院委員陳廷飛等十六人領據電信管理法第七十二條條文修正草案議事處委員交交通委員會審查 宣讀完畢第十案 本院委員陳廷飛等十六人領據氣象法第二十一條之一條文修正草案議事處委員交交通委員會審查 宣讀完畢 |
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第十一案 本院委員陳廷輝等十六人離去 香港法第十五條及第六十五條之四條維修正常案 依次處理件交交通委員會審查 宣讀完畢第十三案 本院委員陳廷輝等十六人離去 傳播法部份條維修正常案 依次處理件交交通委員會審查 宣讀完畢第十三案 本院委員賴慧媛等二十三人離去 發展觀光條例部份條維修正常案 依次處理件交交通委員會審查 宣讀完畢 |
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抱怨會我們本次會議的報告事項記載於議事錄順序我們授權議事處進行調整現在繼續處理原列報告事項請宣讀第二案第二案本院委員林佩祥等18日凝聚民法第1223條條文修正草案議事處意見交司法及法治委員會審查宣讀完畢全院會有異議沒有異議通過抱怨會現在在議場二樓旁聽的是來自師大附中的同學們我們掌聲歡迎 |
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下案請問願會有無意通過下案請問願會有無意通過下案請問願會有無意通過下案請問願會有無意通過下案 |
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第五案 本院委員陳素月等二十一人離聚定業法第七十一條之一條文修正常案議事處一間交經濟委員會審查宣讀完畢第六案 本院委員陳素月等二十一人離聚定業法第五十五條之一條文修正常案議事處一間交經濟委員會審查宣讀完畢 |
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6873.044 |
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6901.005 |
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第七案 本院委員陳素月等二十一人離去自然水法第九十七條之一條維修正常案議事處一間交經濟委員會審查 宣讀完畢無異通過 下議案第八案 本院委員陳素月等二十一人離去貨物稅條利率十二條之三條維修正常案議事處一間交財政委員會審查 宣讀完畢報案會第八案有民進黨黨團提議禁服二讀與相關提案並案協商請問院會有異沒有異 本案禁服二讀與相關提案並案協商 下議案 |
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6929.76 |
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第九案 本院委員陳素月的二十一人凝聚使用牌照稅法第五條條文修正常案議事處一件交財政委員會審查 宣讀完畢第十案 本院委員陳素月的二十一人凝聚電信管理法第七十二條條文修正常案議事處一件交交通委員會審查 宣讀完畢第十一案 本院委員陳素月的二十一人凝聚跡象法第二十一條之一條文修正常案議事處一件交交通委員會審查 宣讀完畢第十案 本院委員陳素月的二十一人凝聚 |
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6940.268 |
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議事處意見交交通委員會審查 宣讀完畢無異通告 下議案議事處意見交交通委員會審查 宣讀完畢無異通告 下議案議事處意見交司法及法治委員會審查 宣讀完畢無異通告 下議案 |
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6955.3 |
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6975.303 |
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第十五案 本優委員陳素月等21人凝聚中華民國刑法 實行法第8條11條無修正草案依次處理件交互司法及法治委員會審查宣傳予以 無異通過下議案第十六案 本優委員陳素月等19人凝聚就業保險法第19條12條無修正草案依次處理件交互社會福利及優先環境委員會審查宣傳予以 無異通過下議案 |
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6975.643 |
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6999.068 |
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第十七案本院委員陳素月等二十四人凝聚職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案第十八案本院委員廖偉祥等十七人凝聚公平交易法第四十二條條文修正草案第十九案本院委員廖偉祥等十七人凝聚社會救助法第五條第二條文修正草案第十八案本院委員廖偉祥等十七人凝聚公平交易法第四十二條條文修正草案 |
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7003.729 |
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7022.839 |
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第二十案 本院委員廖偉祥等二十人凝聚性別平等工作法則第二十三條十一條文章案議事處意見交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢無異通過 下一案第二十一案 本院委員廖偉祥等二十四人凝聚互稅條例第十二條十三條文修正常案議事處意見交財政委員會審查 宣讀完畢 |
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7023.359 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
7043.03 |
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抱怨會第二十一案現在由民進黨黨團提出禁服二讀與相關提案併案協商請問院會有無異議沒有異議本案禁服二讀與相關提案併案協商下議案第二條案本院國民黨黨團聆聚財政促進化等法第十六條之一及第三十八條之二條文修正草案議事處理監督財政委員會審查宣傳完畢抱怨會 |
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第二十二案由國民黨團提議禁服二讀與相關提案並案協商請人願會有異議沒有異議本案禁服二讀與相關提案並案協商下一頁 |
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7075.98 |
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第23案 本院委員柯志恩等18人凝聚 勞政福利法第21條條 宣證草案 議事處意見交 社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣讀完畢無疑通過 下一案第24案 本院委員柯志恩等18人凝聚 自殺防治法第3條條 宣證草案 議事處意見交 社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣讀完畢無疑通過 下一案 |
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7076.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
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第25案 本院委員黃建豪等17人離去外送名單管理及從業人員權益保障法草案議事處一間交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查我已通過下議案第26案 本院委員林月琴等18人離去外送名單管理及從業人員權益保障及外送名單管理法草案議事處一間交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查我已通過下議案第27案 本院委員陳秀寶等18人離去定業法第七水條基調修正草案 |
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第一次處理監交經濟委員會審查第二十八案本院委員陳秀寶的十八日凝聚天然氣事業法第五十五條之一條維修正常案第一次處理監交經濟委員會審查第二十九案本院委員陳秀寶的十八日凝聚自然水法第九十七條之一條維修正常案 |
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議事處意見交經濟委員會審查無異通過下案議事處意見交教育及文化委員會審查無異通過下案議事處意見交交通委員會審查無異通過下案議事處意見交交通委員會審查無異通過下案議事處意見交交通委員會審查無異通過下案 |
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予以通过下案予以通过下案予以通过下案 |
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第35案 本院委員陳秀寶等18人離去 《民法》第1085條條規修正草案 依次處意見交司法及法治委員或審查宣讀完畢第36案 本院委員張家俊等16人離去 外送平台管理及從業人員權益保障法草案 依次處意見交社會福利及衛生環境委員或審查宣讀完畢 |
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第37案 本院委員李渾澤的18案領據《發展觀光條例部分條文修正草案》依次處意見交交通委員會審查 宣讀完畢第38案 本院委員李渾澤的20案領據《大眾捷運法》第39條第43條及第43條之一條文修正草案依次處意見交交通委員會審查 宣讀完畢第39案 本院委員李渾澤的19案領據《機制法》第11條條文修正草案 |
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議事處意見交交通委員會審查 宣告完畢 議事處意見交司法及法局交通委員會審查 宣告完畢 議事處意見交司法及法局交通委員會審查 宣告完畢 |
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第四十三案 本院委員李昆澤等十八人凝聚 交到木工農局組織法第七條條文修正草案 議事處意見交司法及法治交通兩委員會審查 宣讀完畢第四十三案 本院委員李昆澤等十九人凝聚 勞工保險條例第二十九條條文修正草案 議事處意見交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢 |
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第44案 本院委員李昆澤等尋求人領據《職業安全衛生法》部分條文修正草案依次入監交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣讀完畢第45案 本院委員徐玉珍等23人領據《外送平台管理及從業人員權益保障法》草案依次入監交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣讀完畢第46案 本院委員范雲等16人領據《外送人權益保障及外送平台管理法》草案 |
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第一次處理建交社會福利及安全環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢第二次處理建交社會福利及安全環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢第一次處理建交社會福利及安全環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢第二次處理建交社會福利及安全環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢第一次處理建交社會福利及安全環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢第二次處理建交社會福利及安全環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢第一次處理建交社會福利及安全環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢第二次處理建交社會福利及安全環境委員會審查 |
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第四十九案 國防部函送國家中山科學研究院軍人權益申訴事件處理辦法議事處理監交外交及國防委員會宣讀完畢第五十案 經濟部函會修正蒸汽壓縮式冰水機組容許耗用能源基準與能源效率分級標示事項方法及檢查方式第六點 第十四點 規定及第九點 附讀一議事處理監交經濟委員會宣讀完畢 |
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第五十一案農業部行為修正農藥管理規範收費標準部分條文及第三條附表一第四條附表二議事處一間交經濟委員會宣言完畢第五十二案農業部行為修正農業部農田水利署加農管理處農田水利事事範委 |
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議事處兼交經濟委員會 宣讀完畢第五十三案 農業部還會修正公告美國紐約州佛羅迪達州為公平原性家庭流行性感冒肺疫區議事處兼交經濟委員會 宣讀完畢第五十四案 農業部還送空泉蘭、聖爵、觀音蓮、狼尾草、泥尾草及盆穀草為適用植物品種及種苗發植株種類 |
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議事處理監交 經濟委員會宣讀完畢無異通告 下議案第五十五案金融監督管理委員會 行為一百十四年六月三十日公告金融消費者保護法第三條第一項其他主管及管公告制金融服務業之規定及修正金融服務業從事廣告業務招攬及業務促銷活動辦法等五項法規自一百十四年九月十五日宣銷實行議事處理監交 財政委員會宣讀完畢無異通告 下議案 |
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第五十六案 金融監督管理委員會海外修正金融監督管理委員會所屬中央存款保險股份有限公司 指援金融辦法第3條條文及第4條附表依時入監交財政委員會宣讀完畢第五十七案 金融部海外修正參加國際數點學科奧林 偏要競賽及國際科學展覽成績優雅學生升學優待辦法第7條條文 |
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一致處理建交交易及文化委員會宣讀完畢第五十八案文化部韓維修生歷史建築紀念建築登陸費準審查及輔助辦法第六條條文一致處理建交交易及文化委員會宣讀完畢第五十九案文化部韓維修生水下文化資產獎勵補助辦法 |
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委員會議通過下言委員會議通過下言 |
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第六宣案司法院行為修正職務法庭參審員費用之類辦法第五條及第六條條文議事處一間交司法及法治委員會宣讀完畢第六宣案司法院行為修正督促程序使用電腦或其他科技設備作業辦法第三條條文議事處一間交司法及法治委員會宣讀完畢第六宣案司法院行為修正民事訴訟書上規則議事處一間交司法及法治委員會宣讀完畢 |
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第六十五案 司法院含重法庭錄音錄影公開播送實施辦法議事會見交司法及法治委員會宣傳完畢報告院會第六十五案現在由臺灣民眾黨團體改交審查本案交司法及法治委員會審查下一案 |
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第66案 中東部航運修正交通部中央氣象署地震測報中心編制表及中東部中央氣象署地震預報中心編制表依次處理兼交司法及法治交通兩委員會宣讀完畢第67案 國家科學階級修文委員會航運修正國家科學階級修文委員會南部科學園區管理局編制表依次處理兼交司法及法治教育界文化兩委員會宣讀完畢 |
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六十八案由國民黨團體改交審查本案交司法及法制 社會福利及衛生環境兩委會審查 |
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第69 案 勞動部海文修正禁用身陷障礙者工作機用金管工獎勵頒發議事處一間教社會福利及優勝環境委員會宣讀完畢第70 案 衛生福利部海文修正用事法第6條之一 應建立追溯系統之藥品類別並自124年時於日生效議事處一間教社會福利及優勝環境委員會宣讀完畢 |
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法院會七十案由國民黨團體改交審查本案交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 下一案法院會七十一案有國民黨團體改交審查本案交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 下一案 |
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第七十二 衛生福利部航運修正全民健康保險新一醫療資源不足地區改善方案循環地點列出《醫療事法》第102條所稱無藥事源職業職病源地區列表附表六附表十一及附表十三依次數兼交社會福利機構上環境委員會訓斷完畢第七十三 衛生福利部航運修正全民健康保險醫療服務給付項目及支付標準部分診療項目並自一百十四年九一日生效 |
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第七十四案 衛生福利部航運修正衛生福利部兒童及少年福利機構評鑑及獎勵頒發第八條 第九條及第十條條文議事處理監教社會福利及衛生環境委員會宣讀完畢第七十五案 衛生福利部航運修正需用罕見及並防止及業務防止業務品項議事處理監教社會福利及衛生環境委員會宣讀完畢 |
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第七十六案 由國民黨團體改交審查 本案交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 下一案第七十六案 衛生福利部海湖修正 水品及相關產品輸入查驗辦方 一致入境交社會福利及衛生環境委員會 宣讀完畢法院會第七十六案 由國民黨團體改交審查 本案交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 |
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第七十七案至一百三十七案我們依序宣讀其中第七十八案七十九案台灣民眾黨團提議改交審查宣讀之後以上提案均改交相關委會審查其一案均照議事處意見通過請問院會有無異議沒有異議我們宣讀之後通過請宣讀 |
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第77案及第78案 客家委員會第79案 至第101案 經濟部第102案 至第104案 農業部第105案 至第110案 教育部第111案 文化部第112案 國家科學及技術委員會第113案 核能安全委員會第114案 至第117案 中央研究院第118案 行政院公共工程委員會第119案 至第121案 數位發展部 |
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第一二人案 至第一二青岸衛生福利部第二二方案 環境部第二二九案 至第一三六岸財政部第一三青岸內政部 捍衛中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第五期特別預算一百十四年度中央政府總算追加預算等預算權益分別檢討相關報告宣讀完畢抱怨會第一百三十八案以下一併宣讀宣讀之後均准予被查請宣讀 |
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第一三項委員本院經紀委會衡委員會交付審查相關行政命令已於法定整顏審查及審查期限質詢事項行政委員答覆部分請局委員衡送本院科委員之間所定質詢之書面的奉公一件宣讀完畢辦議會我們現在報告事項均已經處理完畢我們現在要進行討論事項第一案華家莎風災及花蓮馬太安 燕塞湖 |
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匱霸災後重建特別條例草案國民黨團提案經第四會期第四次會議決定 淨附二讀請院長召集協商鄭天才委員等提案經第四會期第五次會議決定 淨附二讀與相關提案併案協商我們本案已經完成協商請宣讀協商結論 |
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立法院黨團協商結論實踐一百十四年十月三十日星期四下午三十地點紅樓三零二會議室想主題花家沙風災及花蓮馬灘安溪應涉乎潰壩災後重建特別條例查案想結論一想通過名稱及條文如附件一二通過附帶決議如附件二 |
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院會並不再新收附帶決議三個黨團同意本案列入10月31日星期五院會討論事項於施政質詢前處理完成刪讀並不提出復議本案刪讀後發言由各黨團推派一人發言當日院會討論事項處理幣進行施政質詢議程時 |
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行政官員在行列席視各黨團委員提案及相關修正動議均與刊登公報記錄行政主持人韓國瑜江啟臣行政代表副官籍羅志強林佩祥鄭天才柯建民鍾嘉斌陳培雲張祺凱陳昭之黃國昌宣讀完畢區議院會對以上協商結論有無異議面而議我們 |
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本案依後續依照協商結論進行處理我們現在進行主條討論花家沙風災及花蓮馬太安菸塞湖潰壩災後重建特別條例草案請宣讀名稱花蓮馬太安新夜市湖災後重建特別條例宣讀完畢照協商名稱通過請宣讀第一條 |
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第一條 為有效迅速推動華麗馬灘新艷色湖災區復原重建工作特訓一本條例本條另外規定者須用災害防救法及其他相關法律之規定但其他法律與規定較本條例更有利於災後復原重建準事者須用最有利之法律重建地區位於原住民族部落者並因應原住民族基本法相關規定辦理宣讀完畢照協商條文通過 請宣讀第二條 |
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第二條本條例鎖定災區為因花蓮馬灘新顏色紅色受創地區其範圍由行政院公告之宣讀完畢照協商條文通過請宣讀第三條第三條本條例是主管機關為行政院公共工程委員會本條例是中央執行機關為中央各目的事業主管機關地方執行機關為花蓮縣政府宣讀完畢照協商條文通過請宣讀第四條第四條本條例辦理是災區復原重建整治項目主項 |
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一 馬丹安信葉四湖整治之後續處理由行政院督導行政院公共工程委員會農業部經濟部及花蓮縣政府擬定防範並執行減災監測疏散及解決匯報與修築提防加固加高之相關工程方案二 農業復原一 農田土石挖掘清運換土農地復原專案修根農田廢園重建農地重劃及農業生產環境重建 |
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2.農路 林道 農業運輸設施3. |
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溫室 網室 倉儲 畜舍 禽舍 化石廠堆肥廠資產室及農機具室4. |
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農村物 穀職與種苗等設施及設備5. |
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農業機具及設備6. |
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漁港漁船及養殖設施7. |
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電力系統1. |
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便電所及特高壓以上輸電線路2. |
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配電網防沾韌性3. |
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路燈及公共照明設施4. |
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緊急備用電力系統 移動式電源 |
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自發自用電源及儲能等微電網設施四 電信系統及有線廣播電視系統一 公眾電信網路二 行動通信基地台車三 衛星通信備用設施四 有線廣播電視系統 |
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五 自来水瓦斯级软器设施一 自来水及简易自来水设备二 瓦斯级软器管线六 家园及公共设施一 灾损及无可恢复之房舍住宅清淤拆除修缮原地或异地重建之补处及租金补贴二 公共建筑学校幼园与政府机关购社会福利机构设施设备及拆除清运及修复三 文化资产与原住民族文化健康证聚会所施紧急抢修及修复 |
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四 建制公共集加户互動式情報系統五 公廟 教會 教堂等建築復原六 家園經理 知識及復原慰問金七 水利宣示一 河川排水上中下游系統性治理農地水利培養 |
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灌排系統及海岸防護設施二 漁污水下水道及道路排水三 沙漠地整治及土石流防治四 淨流分燈出流管制及在地滯洪措施五 中央管及縣市管河川排水設施災後復原重建工程及跨域河川 |
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排水瓶頸段橋樑改建八 道路及交通一 道路橋樑及隧道二 道路邊坡防護及覆蓋工程三 交通號誌標誌與護欄等附屬工程及設施九 環境衛生復原一 災後廢棄武器處理 |
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環保設施修復重建及環境復原二 災後疾病防治十 社會復原及產業促進一 災害救助心理輔導及社會支持二 災後專心地方產業企業生產器具輔助及低利貸款等復原措施三 文化觀光旅遊休閒農業及文化產業專心四 農業天然災害先進救助及低利貸款利息補貼等復原措施 |
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五 災戶援助生產設備汰換產業設施生產器具運輸各類輔具及交通工具復原十一 其他經各中央執行機關認定有復原重建必要之項目辦理前項復原重建項目發給津貼補助救助慰問金工資及其他給予之資格條件基準金額應檢附文件等委任委託或委辦事項及其他相關事項之辦法由各中央執行機關定之宣讀完畢 |
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照協商條文通過,請宣讀第五條。第五條,因水災致諸戶淹水之救助,以實際受災戶數為救助對象,不受一門牌一戶之限制,並排除現行水災災害救助種類及標準之規範限制。宣讀完畢。照協商條文通過,請宣讀第六條。 |
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第六條 災區重建應尊重該地區人民 社區 部落 組織 文化及生活方式各級政府為安置受災民眾或進行受災地區重建工作對於設計用地及建築物之劃定取得變更評估管理維護或其他事項的簡化行政程序使用災害防救法第四十條宣讀完畢趙協商條文通過 請宣讀第七條 |
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第七條本條例所需經費上限為現台幣300億元得稅情勢變化擬定相關計畫分期編列特別預算其預算編制與執行不受預算法第23條第62條及第63條規定制限制 |
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其項所需經費來源 得以一用以前年度稅計剩餘或舉借債務之應其每年度舉借債務之額度不受公共債務法第五條定期項規定之限制中央政府總預算及特別預算於本條例實行期間之舉債額度和基數不得超過該期間總預算及特別預算稅出總額度和基數之百分之十五 |
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本條例實行期間中央政府所舉建之一年以上公共債務未償餘額預算數因應公共債務法第五條第一項規定辦理地方執行機關辦理本條例及災害防禁法規定事項所需經費中央政府得核實給予補助中央執行機關並得同意受補助之地方政府以單說單補方式執行 |
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為因應各項災區救災及復原重建工作之緊急需要中央執行機關得報金行政院同意後於第一項特別預算案未完成法定程序前先行支付其一部分中央政府補助地方執行機關之經費地方執行機關因應補助之目的及項目之用不得已作他用宣讀完畢照協商條文通過請宣讀第八條 |
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第八條本條例鎖定災區衛災因災害防救法第五十一條規定公告指災區範圍者及復原重建轉用該法有關災區之規定宣讀完畢在協商條文通過其宣讀第九條 |
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第九條 依本條例規定自各執行機關領取之津貼補助救助慰問金及其他給予免納所得稅依本條例規定自各執行機關領取之津貼補助救助慰問金及其他給予不得作為抵銷或押供單保或強制執行之標的宣讀完畢照協商條案通過請宣讀第十條 |
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第十條 依本條例編列預算至中央隔部會 應於本條例實行後兩個月內提出災害復原重建計畫本條例編列預算至中央隔部會 應將預算至工作計畫實施內容概述及預計實施進度 按計送立法院被查 宣讀完畢照寫上條案通過 請宣讀第十一條 |
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第十一條 主管機關易設置資訊網站專區提供便於搜尋等以理解之完整資訊主動按約定期公開本條例下列執行進度及內容一 第二條鎖定再續制公告二 第四條第二項由各中央執行機關電力示範法三 結條鎖定之內容 宣讀完畢照協商條例通過 請宣讀第十二條 |
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本條例及其特別預算實行期間自公佈日實行至中華民國116年3月31日至但第四條第一項第一款第二款第一幕第七款第一幕至第三幕會定實行至119年12月31日至本條例及其特別預算實行期間屆滿得經立法院同意延長之宣讀完畢照寫上條文通過 |
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報告院會我們全案已經經過二讀我們現已協商結論繼續進行三讀請宣讀經過二讀這條文 |
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《花蓮馬丹新夜色湖災後重建特別條例》第一條為有效迅速推動花蓮馬丹新夜色湖災區復原重建工作特制立本條例本條例為規定者使用災害防救法及其他相關法律之規定但其他法律規定較本條例更有利於災後復原重建準確者使用最有利之法律 |
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重建地区位于原住民族部落者并依原住民族基本法身份规定办理第二条本条例锁定灾区为因花莲马丹心艳森湖之受创地区其范围由行政员公告之第三条本条例之主管机关为行政员公共工程委员会本条例之中央执行机关为中央各目的事业主管机关地方执行机关为花莲县政府 |
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第四條本條例辦理指災區復原重建整治項目主項一 馬丹西夜色湖整治之後須處理由行政院督導行政院公共工廠委員會農業部經濟部及花蓮縣政府擬定防範並執行減災監測疏散及解決匯報與休暑提防交互加高之相關公務 |
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成方案二 农业复原一 农地土石挖掘清运换土农地复原专案收根农田肺源重建农地重化及农业生长环境重建二 农路领导农业运输设施 |
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三 溫室 網室 倉儲 畜舍 勤舍 化智場堆肥廠 資材室及農機具室四 農作物補職與種苗等設施及設備五 農業機具及設備六 漁港漁船及養殖設施三 電力系統一 閉電鎖及特高壓以上輸電線路二 配電網防殘潤性三 路端及公共照明設施四 緊急備用電力系統 移動式電源自發自用電源及儲能等微電網設施 |
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4.地基系統及有線廣播地址系統1. |
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公眾電信網路2. |
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行動通信基地台車3. |
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衛星通信備援設施4. |
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有線廣播地址系統5. |
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自然水瓦斯級燃氣設備1. |
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8570.298 |
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自然水及簡易自然水設備2. |
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瓦斯級燃氣管線6. |
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家園及公共設施1. |
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災損及無可恢復之房舍、住宅清淤、摘除修繕、原地或遺地重建之補助及租金補貼 |
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二 公共建築學校幼兒園與政府機關構 社會福利機構設施設備之拆除 清雲及修復三 文化資產與原住民族文化健康鎮聚會所之緊急搶修及修復四 建築公共及家戶互動式情報系統 |
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五 宮廟教會教堂等建築復原六 江源清理之池及復原慰問金七 水利設施一 河川排水上中下游系統治理農田水利灌排系統及海岸防護設施 |
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二 與污水下水道及道路排水三 深波逆轉至及土石流防治四 淨流分擔 出流管制及在地滯洪措施五 中央管及縣市管河村排水設施 災後復原重建工程及關於河村 |
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排水平起段橋樑改建八 道路及交通一 道路橋樑及隧道二 道路邊坡防護及護岸工程三 交通號誌標誌與護欄等附屬工程及設施九 環境衛生復原一 災後廢棄物清除處理環保設施修復 重建及環境復原二 災後疾病防治 |
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十 社會復原及產業促進一 災害救助 心理輔導及社會支持二 災後振興地方產業 企業生產器具補助及低利貸款等復原措施三 文化觀光旅遊 休閒農業及文化產業振興四 農業天然災害先進救助及低利貸款利息補貼等復原措施五 災戶援助生產設備貸換 |
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产业设施生产器具运输各类服务具及交通工具复原其他经各中央执行境外准订有复原重建必要之项目办理前项复原重建项目发给津贴补助救助慰问金工资及其他给予这次的条件精准金额应结付文件等委任委托或委判事项及其他相关事项执办法由各中央执行境外定制 |
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第五條 因水災制住戶淹水之救助以實際受災戶數為救助對象不受一門盤一戶之限制並排除現行水災災害救助種類及標準之規範限制第六條 災區重建應尊重該地區人民社區部落組織文化及生活方式 |
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各級政府為安置受災民眾或進行受災地區重建工作對於設計用地及建築物質劃定取得變更評估管理維護或其他事項的進化行政程序是由災害防救法第40條第7條本條例所需經費雙限維新台幣300億元的順行事變化擬定將會計畫分期編列特別預算 |
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請預算編制與執行不受預算法第六十三條第六十二條及第六十三條規定之限制其項手續經費來源等已用以前年度稅計剩餘或舉借債務之應及每年度舉借債務者度不受觀光政法第五條第七項規定之限制中央政府總額稅及特別預算與本條例施行期限之舉債額度和基數 |
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不得超过该期间总预算及特别预算最初总额度合计数之15%本条例实行期间中央政府所局界之一年双公共债务未偿余额预算数应依公共债务法第五条第一项规定办理地方执行机关办理本条例及灾害防救法规定设置所需经费中央政府的核实给予补助 |
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中央執行機關必得同意受補助之地方政府以代收代付方式執行為因應各項災區救災及復原重建工作之緊急需要中央執行機關得報警協助院同意後於第一項特別預算案未完成法定程序前先行支付其一部分中央政府補助地方執行機關之經費地方執行機關因應補助之目的及項目之用不得已作他用 |
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第八條本條例鎖定災區未再依災害防救法第51條規定公告之災區與範圍者其復原重建準用該法有關災區之規定 |
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第九條 依本條例規定資格執行機關領取資金貼補助救助慰問金及其他給予免納所得稅依本條例規定資格執行機關領取資金貼補助救助慰問金及其他給予不能作為抵銷扣押供單保或強制執行之標的第十條 依本條例編列預算至中央各部會應與本條例實行後兩個月內提出災害復原重建計畫 |
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本條例編列預算之中各部會應將預算之工作計畫實施內容概述及預計實施進度按寄送立法院被查第11條主管請問依設置資訊網站專區提供密語搜尋等已理解至完整資訊主動按約定其公開本條例下列執行進度及內容 |
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一 第二條鎖定災區制公告二 第四條定向有個中央執行機關定定制辦法三 強調鎖定制內容第十二條本條例及其特別預算實行期間自公佈日實行至中華人民共和國一百十六年三月三十一日至 |
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報議會現在在議場二樓旁聽的來自臺灣藝術大學學生議會許議長跟各位同學我們掌聲歡迎 |
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我們三讀條文已經宣讀完畢請問院會有無文字修正沒有文字修正我們現在做以下決議花蓮馬太安菸賽湖災後重建特別條例制定通過我們繼續處理協商結論通過之附帶決議請議事人員宣讀附帶決議之內容 |
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通過附帶決議五項一 相關選擇機關在推動終極安置永居政策或執法措施時應以尊重族人生活選擇與土地利用模式為基本原則並依實際現況與族人需求做妥適調整與規劃以確保政策合法性與正當性二 |
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請行政院及財團法人政災基金會同意依水災災害救助總列及標準第四條第一項第五款單書規定從寬遊村里長依前述實際居住之證明予以救助三 有關受災區域水電減免措施 |
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减免期间延长至114年11月份所需经费由特别预算拨补台湾电力公司及台湾自来水公司请农业部尽速与专业方式修正相关规定放宽相关补助限制 |
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五 會促進河川系統性治理效能花蓮溪 馬太安溪 嘉隆溪 光復溪清淤輸進及土方清運納入系統性治理經費為標授土石收益應繳回重建特別預算宣讀完畢報應會依照協商結論我們照案通過 |
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我們現在進行完成立法程序後之發言依協商結論各黨團推派代表發言首先我們請富坤齊委員發言張祺凱委員請準備主席 各位同仁 |
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全國電視機前面的各位鄉親各位父老在昨天立法院的協商朝野過程當中我們很感謝包括民眾黨包括國民黨包括民進黨各黨共同為9月23號 |
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花蓮縣光復鄉馬太安溪艷澀湖潰壩的不幸事件要怎麼樣推動災後重建大家達成一致的協議並把預算正式編列好希望此次不幸的事件能夠在最快的速度由行政院完成相關重建的工作讓 |
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災民能夠早日遠離這樣的一個痛苦的歷程讓光明早日回到這些受困的鄉親讓他們回到原有的安定的生活再一次的感謝來自全國超過百萬的我們這些產值超人一起大家同心協力 |
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為光復鄉所有的災民能夠離災不離鄉能夠親近家園大家一起發揮台灣最大的愛心讓整個光復的災民能夠在最短的時間內能夠把家園都能夠親近好我們在這裡也再次的來感謝怪手超人林鴻燊先生為了到災區來協助災民 |
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他不幸感染罹难但是他的精神会永远的留在人民的心里台湾的风景最美丽就是人希望善心善念永在台湾谢谢各位谢谢谢谢傅坤祺委员的发言接下来我们请张其凯委员发言沈伯扬委员请准备 |
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為加速花蓮馬太安縣社府潰壩的災禍復原重建我們快馬加鞭今天三讀通過特別條例首席的經費我們調高為300億元而且通過了台灣民眾黨的提案將住宅的清衣 家園的清理還有復原的慰問金明確入閥 |
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降低我們受災民眾的負擔而且不受一門號一戶的限制對於大家非常關心整個復原跟重建完成的時間行政院本來把它拖延到117年的12月31號 |
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民眾黨堅持重建不能等不能拖所以我們昨天明確的要求必須在116年的3月底之前完成所有的復原跟重建讓我們的災民早日恢復正常的這個生活另外 |
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這次行政院本人竟然偷渡夾帶要把丹納斯風災造成嘉義跟台南受災民眾整個復原跟重建的時間竟然說要偷延到往後延到117年昨天台灣民眾黨強烈抗議所以維持原來丹納斯風災的條文也就是 |
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除了電力系統電信系統跟有線廣播系統跟水利設施是116年12月之外全部一定要在明年底12月明年115年12月底之前完成嘉義跟台南全部的復原跟重建 |
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今天的這個特別條例裡面 本來從很多的條文都可以看到潰壩這個字眼 昨天民進黨一直要求就要刪除為了加速重建 我們不再堅持可是我們要強調 雖然文字刪除潰壩是不同的 因為民進黨就在把文字刪除到外面一直說要用立體 不用用文章 用任何的字眼現在不是因為主席的理解 最後拿了這個政策方案 |
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好 謝謝張祺凱委員的發言報告院會現在又有一批我們未來台灣的棟樑從中台灣濟南大學社會政策社工系一群同學們來立法院我們掌聲歡迎我們接下來請沈伯陽委員發言 |
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謝謝主席那感謝這一次條例的三讀中央行政院的態度一直以來都非常的清楚就是金錢要趕快到位雖然在過去我們面臨到很多地方政府的一些阻撓我們也遇到金錢沒有到位的狀況結果沒有辦法送到災民的手上有可能是盤點上的一個問題有可能是花在過多的宣傳品上面 |
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但是即使如此對我們來講最重要的事情就是要趕快把這個金錢匡列出來這也是為什麼在當時我們很盡快的先提出了跟丹納斯有關的修正條例雖然後來是用新的馬太安特別條例 |
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但是結果還是一樣的最後是有300億這樣的一個金額但是我必須要讓花蓮的災民們知道我們現在最重要的事情就是我們必須要確保這個300億實實在在的被花在花蓮災民的手上是實實在在能夠送到災民的身上 |
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昨天在協商的時候呢我們很慶幸的這個遷村的這個部分拿掉了而這裡面就蘊含了一個危機今天絕對不是說我們政策決定了之後問災民接不接受而是災民要有代表災民必須要能夠是在討論的一部分由他們來提出需求由地方政府來彙整然後讓中央的金錢能夠到位這樣才是一個正常的救災程序 |
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所以我們現在開始我們除了立法院的責任除了通過這個條例把金錢匡列之外我們一定會跟地方的議員合作要有更好的監督要確保透明要確認重建否則如果只是把金錢匡列出來結果重建遙遙無期金錢最後只是訂到地方政治人物的口袋我相信這個絕對不是台灣人民所樂見的 |
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但最後還是非常的感謝行政院一直以來各部會的協調救災以及各地的產值超人對花蓮的關心我們會盡快的努力讓重建如期的完成謝謝謝謝沈博洋委員發言報告委員會我們現在進入討論事項第二案國家發展基金不當投資及管理私職調查委員會調查報告書 |
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及處理意見案本案經第三會期第二、三次會議決議協商之後再行處理外院會本案因協商已經超過一個月無法達成共識依照立法院職捐行事法第七十一條之一規定由院會定期處理 |
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因此於本次會議我們提出討論現在進行廣泛討論依照黨團共識我們請各黨團推派一位委員擔任發言代表首先我們請黃國昌委員發言鍾嘉斌委員請準備 |
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院長 本院委員在經過院會決議成立國發基金不當投資及管理失職調查委員會之後委員會經過歷經的開會調閱從2016年以來動用我們納稅人的錢國發基金所成立或者是所投資的許多標的我們發現 |
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國發基金在整個投資的決策上面以及在管理上面存在有非常多的缺失 |
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一開始國發基金拿著納稅人的錢以產業要創新要升級要轉型來當作理由來進行各項的投資我們實際上面卻看到的是在投資的決策上屢屢出現所謂的先設建再化吧事前有關於特定公司的投資決策不僅 |
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是單純的過度樂觀而已甚至裡面所出現評估的數字嚴重的不實造假而藉由事後投資的結果造成了嚴重巨額的虧損甚至屢屢發生重要的弊案但是我們的國發基金 |
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面對國會的質疑面對人民的責難只有短短的一句話那就是因為我們運氣不好 |
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人民要問的事情是當掌握這麼重要權力的官員藉由在整個程序上面出現了先設建再劃把許多委員根本沒有來開會或者是找人來代理而最後投資的結果不僅僅沒有造成產業的升級轉型反而出現了各式各樣嚴重的弊案 |
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包括了在商品工業區裡面的失地竟然透過違法套利的方式來侵害國家的利益甚至有民意代表直接介入關說施壓放水包括在有關我們的重要的軍事要塞竟然不顧國家安全裝日記的私通訊設備 |
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包括竟然把台灣納稅的錢洗到中國去讓中國跟那些不孝的官員勾結了以後造成台灣投資人以及無辜的投資大眾巨大的損失這份調查報告不僅僅是責任的追究也代表著對於未來國發基金的管理我們必須要立法上面加嚴徹底的來加以檢討謝謝 |
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謝謝黃國昌委員發言報告院會現在關心立法院的朋友越來越多又一批來自雲林縣商業會的好朋友們我們掌聲歡迎接下來我們請鍾嘉斌委員發言 牛許廷委員請準備 |
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主席 在場的委員先進針對本案 本調查委員會自調查過程多次違法亂紀未符合正當程序所提出的調查報告及處理件自不具正當性由以下四大為師第一 違憲成立調查委員會根據113 憲判九字立法院職權刑事法第45條應在院會決議的調查事項包括範圍 目的及方法 |
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必须具体明确才能立例进行调查权的行使是否与立法院宪法之权有重大关联且必要然而这规定呢才能不生抵触宪法的问题然而院会决议成立本调查委员会的调查范围仅以犯犯文据概括责定范围无法具体明确所谓调查的对象及设成违核已经超多宪判所接触的核限性因此是违宪的 |
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第二他是違法對訴訟中的案件進行調查根據立法院職權刑事法第46條判決確定的訴訟案件他偵查之間他所謂的處置及卷證立法院不得行使調查權因此法院審判中的訴訟案件監察委員為糾纏或糾正的與否以及相關程序中程序中之內立法院均不得行使調查權然而本會所調查的範圍事實上呢就上開本院不得調查的範圍呢卻進行調查 |
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這是第三點違反法定保密義務在今年第五次召開會議的時候經在場委員提出如何落實立法院職員刑事法第52條有關不得介入調查內容規定會議主席黃國昌召委竟然置物其詞提不出具體的方法禁止召開公開會議並且呢又官員要求進行報告違反了明確違反了調查委員會 |
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提出報告書的保密義務第四 主席戴呼職守開過過程荒腔走板在第六次全球委員會當日開會時間法定人數也已到齊但是會議主席黃國昌召委進一步宣布開會還剛好發生了會議室時鐘配合故障的荒謬事情 |
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那该次开会呢开会通知单备注第三点本次会议不公开然而骗查本院议事相关规定均无所谓会议不公开的用语因此呢如果要依本院的规定应该改开秘密会议但是到目前为止仍查无该次会议相关的影音记录 |
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針對本市的國發基金的調查報告我們認為第一 它違憲成立第二 違法對訴訟案件進行調查第三 違反保密的義務第四 主席荒鄉出版假接壁監督之名行違法擴權之詞初步開始 |
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謝謝鍾嘉賓委員發言接下來我們請最後一位登記發言的委員 牛許廷委員請發言謝謝主席 各位立法院同仁 各位媒體朋友 |
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這個國會改革之後我們好朋友有機會成立調查委員會很遺憾在執政黨窮盡洪荒之力的各種打壓之下我們沒有辦法確定它有更強悍的制裁力道但至少在國會改革法案通過之後我們可以善盡責任公開透明的調查人民所關心的弊案揭露真相 |
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已遭公信國發基金投資的各式各樣的弊端我們就不再多言今天看這一份調查報告可以歸納成三大重點第一 程序草率於前 |
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以如新 聯合再生 樂嘉再生 達佛羅等案我們可以看到在當初國發基金是否投資的審查過程之中非常多的外聘的外審專家學者提出了示警 提出了警告但是都不被多數的委員所採納 |
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達佛羅案更誇張一度做成不通過的決議卻依然再一次排入議程匯圖轉身重新復活通過其中更發生許多委員不出席代理人還亂找連最基本的出席義務都沒有辦法完成如此草率的程序如何確保投資成果既然程序草率於前你就很難避免踩雷射幣於中 |
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目前包含聯合再生等27個案子國發基金投資27案虧損超過1億元賺錢的反而是10多年前台積電等等案子但最近再也看不到這真的只是運氣不好嗎如新聯合再生等等案子的弊案還不夠多嗎這難道不是踩雷不是設斃嗎 |
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踩雷射壁之後還沒有退場機制無法退場以後這麼多的虧損這麼多的問題國會也示警政府專家都提醒都討論但最後的結果是什麼無法抽身無法退場 |
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越虧越多 弊案連連請問這樣子的國發基金能遭公信嗎現在我們的政府還想要去成立主權基金我就請問各位如果我們的程序我們避免踩雷我們退場機制的種種缺失沒有辦法得到順利的處理的話 |
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請問台灣的社會大眾能夠放心的把主權基金交給政府來操辦嗎我再次強調很遺憾我們調查委員會沒有更強的力道但這份調查報告必須昭告天下讓大家知道我們的政府多麼荒唐 謝謝 |
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10183.29 |
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謝謝牛許庭委員的發言歡迎我們現在進行處理請議事人員宣讀臺灣民眾黨團針對本案提議之內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
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10213.17 |
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本院臺灣民眾黨黨團針對本院國家發展經濟不當投資暨管理事實調查委員會涵送國家發展經濟不當投資暨管理調查事實調查委員會調查報告書和處理意見案提議交經濟委員會一次處理相關議案時參考並將本調查報告書涵送國家發展委員會及經濟部參考是否有當進行公決宣討完畢 |
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台灣民眾黨團體有無異議有異議我們要進行表決現在開始按鈴7分鐘並分發表決卡 |
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抱怨會 請問每位委員是否都有拿到表決卡我們開始進行表決我們現在開始進行表決台灣民眾黨團所提議現在有民進黨台灣民眾黨要求記名表決我們開始記名表決時間一分鐘贊成台灣民眾黨團所提議請按贊成 反對 請按反對現在開始 |
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10760.321 |
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報告表決結果在場出席委員107位 |
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10768.017 |
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10788.442 |
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贊成60位 反對47位 贊成者多數我們照台灣民眾黨黨團提議通過我們現在做以下決議本調查報告書含出的意見交經濟委員會等處理相關議案時參考並含送國家發展委員會及經濟部參考 |
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10795.806 |
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我們進入討論事項第三案本院 臺灣民眾黨團 國民黨團分別提案建請院會決議對行政院卓院長延宕國家通訊傳播委員會人士提出最嚴厲譴責一案請議事人員一併宣讀提案內容 |
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10814.861 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
10840.2 |
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本院台湾民众打打盘有鉴于国家通讯传播委员会组织法第四条规定行政院院长应负责提名委员并送请立法院同意主要他院长非但未依法于期限内履责更一再以话术欺瞒国会而已严当国家通讯传播委员会NCC人士瘫痪机关功能主要他已经违法行进去使国家通讯传播治理 |
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10864.655 |
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媒體市場秩序與公眾視聽權益嚴重受損自113年11月以來行政院長竹中泰多次承諾競訴提名和信息委員名單卻屢屢跳票114年5月初竹中泰院長與立法院院會被巡視承諾當周提出名單卻直至7月31日行政院院會時公佈委員名單 |
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立法院党团协商时遭立法院黄龙商踢爆行政院送至立法院这人事资料时间为114年5月只因行政院刻意严当当时主任探院长回应是部分委员家庭跟工作必须做协调和处理才能确定 |
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10904.903 |
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然而根據本會期立法院江東教育及文化委員會聯席會議之審查過程四位被提名人初步主流台彌天大話蔣榮鮮主任委員被提名人春時期於114年5月5日接獲邀請兩週後同意出任陳明修副主任委員被提名人於113年底申詢 |
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114年5月5日或崇隆泰院長正式邀請黃薇薇被提名人於114年5月2日即同意出任羅惠文被提名人亦於國會巡達時證稱其早於113年11月即經獲崇隆泰本人徵詢同年底正式表達同意出任意願秦駿彥早已於113年底至114年5月間完成NCC人事案徵詢與確認 |
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卻可以押案延宕 且有正式考量協議院長朱榮泰公然說謊 竟可以以話術誤導過人安心性委員出選委立法院不行使同意權制結果造成人民對立法機關制無解 此政治操作更違反行政首長應勉勵維護憲政體制正常運作以前正常立原則 |
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癱瘓獨立機關之正常職能之行使卓榮泰院長知法玩法弄法毫無底線與下限應與嚴正追究其政治責任維護國會尊嚴與憲政秩序原廷安進行院會作成決議對刑監院院長卓榮泰默無法紀刻意違反國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條之行為順以話術欺瞞國會與國人另一嚴當國家通訊傳播委員會 |
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NCC則是癱瘓機關功能致使通訊全部治理媒體市場秩序與公眾視聽權益嚴重受損對楚中泰院長這行為提出最嚴厲之譴責是否有當請公決案委員國務黨黨團有鑑於自113年11月以來行政院長楚中泰多次承諾競訴提名NCC委員名單卻屢屢挑票114年5月初楚中泰院長與立法院議會被巡視 |
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承諾當周提出名單卻直至7月31日行政院用會時送出委員名單立法院黨團協商時張芷儀行政院刻意嚴當當時主任探院長回應是部門委員家庭跟工作必須做協調和處理才能確定 |
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11053.208 |
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然根據本會協立法院江東教育及文化委員會第一次聯席會議是因為被提名人等相關回答衝破祖榮太明天大話蔣榮先主任委員被提名人準時起於114年5月5日接獲邀請兩週後同意出任陳明修副主任委員被提名人於113年底申詢 |
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11076.014 |
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一百十四年五月五日獲崇隆太院長專事邀請黃薇薇被提名人一百十四年五月二日其同意出任羅惠文被提名人義於國會尋答時證稱其早於一百十三年十一月其間獲崇隆太本人徵詢同年底證實表達同意出任意願秦政院早已於一百十三年底至一百十四年五月間 |
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11084.362 |
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完全NCC人事案徵詢與確認刻意押案嚴當送臨法院是否應大報名的政治考量 |
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11113.843 |
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行政院院長卓榮泰延遲提名送立法院審查癱瘓獨立機關追正常職權之行使卻對外表示NCC委員出缺借立法院為行使同意權誤導國人簽母黑國會類似政治操作不但推諉謝責更違反行政對立法負責立法監督行政的憲法義務與分際卓榮泰院長執法玩法應嚴正追究其政治責任 |
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依據《國家通訊傳播委員會組織法》第四條規定行政院長應負責提名委員並送進立法院同意行政院長非但未依法於期限內提出名單延宕期間長達一年之久更一再以話書欺瞞國會任意延宕《國家通訊傳播委員會》安息息人士主動探閱之違法行進制止國家通訊傳播治理媒體市場秩序與公眾視聽權益嚴重受損 |
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原此为维护国会尊严与宪政秩序进行议会作成决议对行政院长卓荣泰漠无法纪公然违反国家通讯传播委员会组施法第四条制行为顺以话术欺瞒国人抹黑国会恶意严当国家通讯传播委员会安息人士 |
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致使通訊傳播致力媒體市場繼續與公眾視聽權益嚴重受損對卓榮泰院長之行徑提出最嚴厲之譴責是否有當激情公決宣讀完畢報告委員會賴會員委員發表聲明對剛才的表決與民進黨黨團意見一致我們列入公報記錄 |
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委員會 我們現在依照立法院職捐新司法第八條第三項規定本案經提案人說明提案子去大體討論之後即議決交付審查或禁付二讀或不予審議依照黨團共識本案提案說明就不再發言現在進行大體討論請各黨團推派代表依序發言首先請陳培宇委員發言翁曉琳委員請準備 |
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好 謝謝主席我要再次聲明NCC是依法設置的獨立機關但很可惜我們看到在這段時間國民黨還有民眾黨團不斷地把NCC人事審查變成自己政治作秀的舞台作為政治鬥爭的工具我們真的感到非常遺憾我要公開呼籲拜託在野黨團不要用程序癱瘓公共治理不要把獨立機關當成自己的作秀舞台 |
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接下來我們就要投票了我希望我們可以依法審查公開透明本來行政院就有提名權立法院有同意權雙方分際非常清楚可是如果只用政治顏色取代專業考量用指控取代證據是對相關機關的不信任也是對人民的不尊重 |
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我要拜託大家公共利益優先不要政黨利益優先NCC所可能造成的空窗期會關乎打機甲訊息 詐騙訊息兒少保護 內容產製生態還有媒體秩序現在如果我們不願意讓他的名單通過 |
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受到影響的是家長們和孩子們每天都在接觸的內容媒體的品質也是相關產業下一步的投資更是民主社會基本資訊需求受到破壞我要拜託在野黨團不要因為不爽就黨 |
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讓全民陪大家玩這個政治遊戲接下來我要拜託大家後續的投票過程當中如果對相關委員有相關的質疑都可以公開透明的提出來討論不要對準提名的專業還有利益衝突 獨立性在受到大家的逐一檢驗之後還要繼續用錯假的敘事繼續抹黑 繼續造謠對相關專業人士的不尊重可見一斑 |
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而民進黨團的態度非常簡單也很負責我們支持最嚴格的公開審查最完整的立衝揭露最清楚的承諾跟約束我相信所有的被提名人也會願意接受社會的放大鏡檢視但同時我們更要捍衛制度要拜託在野黨團停止政治擾動回到法治歸道 |
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因此下一個禮拜即將進行投票我要拜託所有委員一起支持相關名單我要再次提醒國人要的是法治的治理是回到常軌而不是沒有上綱沒有限制的政治作秀變成某種政治可笑的戲劇衝突也不要把國家監理當成在野黨委員你們個人的舞台請把這個舞台還給專業的委員 |
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請把這個舞台還給全台灣的公民謝謝 |
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院長還有各位委員還有各位媒體朋友全國的朋友們大家好大家知道嗎NCC委員本來應該要有7位但是從去年7月31號4位委員卸任之後一直到現在已經整整15個月NCC只有3位委員 |
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三位委員可以開會嗎當然不行因為依照NCC組織法的規定必須要有四位委員才能開會所以基本上NCC已經長達15個月是無法正常的運作 |
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ACC無法正常運作會影響到誰當然是影響到廣電媒體業者還有電信業者他們沒有辦法換照沒有辦法評鑑如果有新的業者想要提出申請 |
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也無法繼續更何況還會涉及到很多系統設備相關技術的檢驗這些NCC委員都沒有辦法做所以也就是說我們其實已經有15個月NCC委員會是空轉為什麼會空轉就是因為行政院院長卓榮泰從 |
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這個NCC的委員四位卸任之後他應該要儘速的提名可是遲遲的不提名拖了一年都還沒有提名一直到今年7月31號才新提名在此期間我們在野黨的委員們在類似的質詢當中都有要求卓榮泰問他什麼時候要提出新名單 |
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卓榮泰都說會禁訴會禁訴那麼當時還說五月底的時候就會提出新名單可是一拖再拖直到今年的7月31號才提了新名單那我必須要講卓榮泰這樣子的一個行為已經不是第一次了在公共電視委員會的提名也公共電視董建設提名他也怠惰在 |
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中選會委員的提名他也不提名那麼現在還有就是賴清德總統在大法官的第三波名單裡面也是遲遲不肯交出所以整個民進黨政府就是對於整個獨立機關整個行政機關的運作基本上一點都不重視該提名的人員都不提名那麼所以在此當然必須要譴責卓榮泰這樣子的一個違法濫權的行徑 |
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依照法律他三個月之內就必須要提名但是到現在為止才提名那麼當然我們也希望在下禮拜可以針對NCC委員的人事案來進行同意那麼希望能夠到時候看情況是不是讓NCC能夠維持正常的運作以上 謝謝謝謝翁曉琳委員的發言接下來我們請張祺凱委員請發言 |
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那是你的掌 |
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NCC委員的提名本來應該是匆匆榮榮游刃有餘可是被卓榮泰跟民進黨搞成匆匆忙忙連滾帶爬而且到現在還在張演說瞎話上個禮拜我們進行對NCC委員被提名人的這個詢答 |
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主席 主席台下請不要 請維持封渡好不好請暫停 請暫停我已經喊了 時間暫停尊重發言委員權益非常感謝吳思堯委員 謝謝請維持封渡 |
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上個禮拜我們進行了NCC委員被提名人的這個詢答猜穿了卓榮泰 彌天大黃他說他還在徵詢這些被提名人結果四個委員被提名人一個在去年的年底就同意了另外一位今年的5月2號同意 另外兩位5月5號結果 |
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卓榮泰竟然不只是說謊還故意延宕 拖延整整將近三個月癱瘓了NCC的這個運作 |
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這是一個說謊的慣犯所以我們今天提出了譴責案如果卓榮泰不想做不願意做不要思維速參你頂的是人民的納稅錢不要無法無天我們今天提出嚴厲的譴責案另外民進黨竟然還在台下大叫他們此言 |
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獨立機關請問民進黨有尊重獨立機關嗎現在獨立機關有獨立嗎你們提名的獨立機關的人選有獨立嗎NCC被你們延宕了 |
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超過一年現在連公平會上個禮拜也已經違法沒有提名了中選會的委員也違法了連公司的董監事都違法了民進黨你們怎麼可以對得起人民一個獨立機關該提的最基本的人選依法應該提的你們全面幾乎是癱瘓的連大法官該補體的道現在都沒有明教授張其祿講 |
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不只是拖延的問題你們一再提到人如果是爛人 |
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那根本就是行政權癱瘓的獨立機關你們所對得起所謂的獨立機關所謂的獨立機關真正的問題不在人數是在人選只要賴清德跟卓榮泰提出合適的人選像上次提的劉靜儀 劉大炮不要像你們民進黨認為說他批評過你們就把他全部封殺提幾個劉靜儀出來提幾個全民注重的人人民熱懷你的人 |
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人數不是問題好 謝謝張其凱委員發言 謝謝 |
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法院會現在由臺灣民眾黨團 國民黨團分別提議禁覆二讀一到黨團共事本案禁覆二讀依照立法院職權新司法第74條之一規定交付黨團協商我們現在作以下決議交付黨團協商並由臺灣民眾黨團 國民黨團共同負責召集協商法院會我們進入討論事項第四案 |
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本院國民黨團建請院會決議針對公視基金會董事監察人提名延宕已久對代表行政權最高首長之中太院長因嚴正追究其政治責任提出最嚴厲之譴責案請議事人員宣讀提案內容 |
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本院國民黨黨團有限於公共電視屬於國民權體式電視台統計是選擇之專業與中立客觀以及黨政軍退出媒體原則軍文系公視超然獨立之根基依公共電視法規定 |
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公視基金會社董事會至董事11人至15人監察人3人至5人全任程序性由立法院推舉11名至15名社會公正人士組成公共電視董事監察人審查委員會並規範董事任期屆滿6個月前因應規定改閉之立法院114年3月4日願以組成公視基金會第8屆董事監察人審查委員會 |
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行政院文化部因與董事屆滿前6個月進行提名作業為至今尚未提出人選已延宕超過11個月如同中選會委員提名已再延宕難道又是大漫延大延宕只想違法把持獨立機關及媒體繼續毀線亂政行政院發言人表示會積極物色適合人選的說法根本搪塞外界 |
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行政院此举不仅公然违法 怠惰失职 更伤害公共电视董事会治理体制更顺者明知公事法由董事法定任期届满自动严任制新品质规定 刻意以拖待变 图谋私利政治黑手持续控制公共媒体 严重扼杀公共媒体之专业及超然独立 |
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為保護國會尊嚴與國家體制秩序原定安建請願會作成權益針對公視基金會董事監察人提名延宕已久身為各界質疑公視屢遭執政當權介入不但完全背離當年民進黨強力主張黨爭軍退出媒體制訴求其無法維持政府體制正常運作與行政中立原則通過公共媒體治理及專業職能對行政院文化部知法文法 |
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自毅滥權踐踏法治精神代表行政權最高首長之祖榮泰院長因嚴正追究其政治責任提出最嚴厲之譴責是否有當進行公決宣讀完畢法院會依照立法院職權審視法 |
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公共電視超級擺爛 |
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顯示的就是卓榮泰治國不惠文化部擺爛聚會然後公視的董事公視在那邊思維素餐霸佔公視的職位延宕11個月的人事這就是民進黨對公共電視的態度 |
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中國國民黨立法院黨團對於這種知法玩法公器私用 私衛素餐霸佔公事的行為我們給予最嚴厲的譴責第七屆公共電視的董事是在2022年5月20號上任依照公事法的16條規定 |
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每届任期三年任期届滿六個月前就要依法改聘 |
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也就是說最晚最晚在去年11月公視就要改聘了可是行政院跟文化部擺爛擺爛再擺爛到現在都還沒有提出董監事的提名名單作業延宕了11個月對於這種怠惰我們當然要以嚴厲譴責前年在民進黨主導之下 |
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完成公事法立法13年以來的首次修正當時文化部說公事的董監事四分之三的高門檻導致第五屆第七屆的公事董監事的延宕所以修法條降為三分之二他說這就可以解決公事董監事延宕延任的一個問題結果呢 |
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門檻下降了法律你還是不遵守啊改編作業已經拖了344天我直接講當公司的董事是很開心啊位子就罷在那個地方 |
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只要民進黨擺爛他就可以佔據公視請問這有道理嗎所以顯現的就是文化部只想貫徹民進黨這種所謂的獨霸公視獨裁的心態寧可公然違法 |
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也不願意提出讓國人可以接受國會能夠檢驗社會可以期待的專業名單對人事延宕的理由文化部瞎掰說是專業人士不想被羞辱婉拒提名 |
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奇怪了你連名單都沒提出審查程序都沒啟動誰來羞辱啊所以根本是在找遮羞部甩鍋這樣的公視這樣的文化部這樣的行政院我們嚴厲譴責謝謝謝謝羅志強委員的發言接下來林國正委員發言范雲委員請準備 |
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院長各位我們同仁各位全國的老百姓大家好我想行政的怠惰政治的擺爛拖延提名這是一個公共媒體控制媒體的一個手段所以我就感覺到很奇怪公共電視 |
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不是政府的 是全國人民的電視台它存在的必要是只要成立政治以外 政黨以外利益之外的一個媒體 |
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所以我想這執政黨不能用延宕的方式的手法來達到控制媒體的目的所以我們大家都知道 民進黨過去喊出黨政軍退出媒體 |
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那現在用這種拖延戰術來達到準備要做利正利美的目的這是對公共電視是非常不公平的那我們大家都知道 延任為常態事實上這是對獨立單位萬萬不可 |
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可以看得出來NCC中選會委員該提名不提名該盡速送名單到立法院來他就是不送這代表什麼這代表擁有控制獨立單位的手法 |
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這是一個現在執政的賴政府他的手段所以我們本台灣民眾黨站在這些我們緩關來看一看現在的公視過去政府一年補助23億左右但是可以看到去年變成 |
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要補助可以他們喜歡就補助不喜歡就不補助從這裡可以看得出來控制的意望非常明顯所以我們嚴禁譴責行政院並要求立即提名恢復公視獨立以國會監督的權利所以 |
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依照公事法組成的委員會盡快把所有的董監事把它提組這樣的話恢復台灣人民給恢復正常的治理維護公事的中立讓公事可以真正回歸人民期待的一個 |
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公共電視也就還給臺灣人民公共電視的一個本質謝謝好 謝謝林國成委員發言接下來我們請范雲委員請發言 |
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國民黨團針對公視董事的人選提名的研託他們提出了譴責行政院院長及文化部案我想先說兩個事實第一文化部聲明持續依照公視法規定努力邀請具教育藝文學術傳播及其他專業人士同意候選並依公視法第13條由行政院提名第二個 |
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公示第七屆董監事現依公示法第十六條規定延長職務協助公示正常穩定營運我想還好公示不像大法官的憲法法庭被修到人選延拓出爐就形同癱瘓 |
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公事當然非常的重要我們也知道公事的董事必須要有風骨有專業的文化新聞或社會公正人士但是如果我們看一下公事董事過去的審查過程誰想要來被潑糞沾染一身心 |
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文化部10月中已經表示過去的經驗造成許多專業人士因為不想被羞辱而拒絕讓他們的徵詢過程並不順利過去到底發生了什麼事我們看一下我查到的數字第五屆董事產生延拓968天第六屆 |
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延拓58天第7屆從2019年9月就開始被審查直到2022年5月9日才組成中間延拓了957天為什麼會延拓查一下新聞就知道國民黨提名的審查委員曾經全數疏息無法讓會開程 |
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有傳播學者公開在檢討這個事情認為審查過程造就了全世界最難產生的董事會我們看到英國的BBC加拿大的CBC澳洲的ABC這些公共電視典範幾乎都是由行政部門提名但是他們的朝野政黨在國會審查的過程都能夠謹守分寸非常的專業反觀台灣我們以上一屆來講 |
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公事董事其实是无几值的志工没有薪水可是在审查的过程中是如何莫名其妙的被羞辱其中台大教授陈翠莲是知名的历史学者她因为研究台湾历史228就被否决9票同意 5票反对审查委员是国民党推荐的审查委员公开说她的研究撕裂我们大家的族群撕裂我们的价值 |
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後來青年學生說台灣解嚴這麼久了國民黨的審查委員為什麼沒有解嚴還有誰在上一屆被否決他們沒有研究228政大傳播學者柯玉芬知名作家獲獎無數的合照題紀錄片導演 |
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謝謝范雲委員的發言歡迎會現在由國民黨團提供金福爾獨與依照黨團共事本案金福爾獨依據立法院職權新司法74條之一規定交付黨團協商我們現在做以下決議交付黨團協商並由國民黨團負責召集協商 |
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我們進入討論事項第五案本院國民黨團建議會決議對賴著政府不思積極檢討防疫破口精進防檢疫作為之行徑提出最嚴厲譴責一案請議事人員宣讀提案內容 |
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來願國民黨黨團有近於自107年起全球陸續爆發非洲豬瘟疫情我國在採取嚴格邊境把關阻絕病毒於境外策略之下第九十二屆世界動物衛生組織WOHH2025年5月19日於法國巴黎年會通過我國正式獲WOHH認定為豬瘟非疫國象徵我國動物防疫與檢疫量能再獲國際肯定 |
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然而不過近近五個月近日中央組織的邊境管制出現嚴重疏漏台中爆發非洲豬瘟案例阻絕境外破工救急原因仍在於今年福原島絕面配合大爆棉政務廢止所導致我國為非疫區非洲豬瘟病毒 |
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百分百来自境外严格的边境检疫措施为阻绝疫病于境外的第一道防线我国边境管制机关与机场港口邮包等通路强化产业严防动物及其产品非法输入全面拦截高风险来源并加强旅客宣导作业乃为战略执政的民进党赖卓政府不思检讨边境破防保关不力 |
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不禁處於衛養兩大重大政策嚴重失誤缺氣土轉移焦點發動側翼造謠在野黨亂山遇損後遭農業部長陳俊濟與立法院導訓時公開表示豬瘟發生與遇損無關在獄甩骨地方已處於餵食豬隻檢疫不實等 |
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殊不知當初開放處於未出的正式時任行政院長的賴總統疫情衝擊養豬產值及關聯產業高達二千億元從業人口一百五十萬人影響極為巨大全國處於養豬僅佔百分之八卻可能造成戶口對兩千億產值造成巨大傷害應立即禁止處於養豬處於可回收再利用一百十三年度全國處於回收量達五十一萬公噸 |
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成為資源在利用與減碳的重要來源新北市江陰縣彰化縣及金門縣榮獲環境部頒發特優獎皆能規劃短中長期廚餘處理策略並發展在地適用的多元方式依透過妥善管理堆肥設施源頭減量 破帶清查輔導民眾堆肥與教育宣導等配套措施 |
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提升回收相應於品質桃園市 台中市 宜蘭縣 苗栗縣雲林縣 青竹市 花嶺縣與澎湖縣等八縣市於處於回收再利用上均有亮眼表現獲頒優等獎展現因地制宜的彈性與務實作為那期的總統上台後近一年搞大罷免政務嚴重廢止疏於防疫業務之把關落實邊境管制因而產生漏洞讓非洲豬瘟病毒入侵國內 |
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如今民進黨為撇清責任亂構地方政府防疫不力的大貿企圖掩飾執政是能失去的窘境以使國家聲譽與全民潛意遭受重大損失原此建請約會作成決議有限於濫竹政府施政只為政治疏忽民生經濟將得來不易的豬瘟非異國榮譽與國際競爭力及國家養豬產值造成巨大傷害損失 |
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對賴卓政府不思積極檢討防疫破口精進防檢疫作為推諉卸責代護職守之行徑提出最嚴厲譴責是否有當進行公決宣讀完畢 |
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12904.01 |
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歡迎 依照立法院職權新司法第八條第三項規定本案經提案人名說明提案子去大體討論之後及議決交付審查或進付二讀或不予審議依照黨團共識本案提案說明我們就不再發言進行大體討論由各黨團推派代表首先我們請陳昭之委員發言何新淳委員請準備 |
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謝謝主席 各位同事還有關心豬瘟議題的所有國人台中爆發了非洲豬瘟的案例社會非常關心也非常的憂心但這是中央跟地方政府要共同面對的問題但是包含民進黨的議員卓冠廷以及側翼網軍間裂心死 |
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他第一個時間不是檢討制度欸而是責怪在野黨刪除食藥署預算造成破口這完全是牛頭不對馬嘴毫無根據不服事實的指控真正的問題不在預算而是中央跟地方政府的這個防疫漏洞 |
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食药署开放了个人自用食品可以申请免查验但是有人一年申请超过三件事一年有295天都在申请这叫自用吗这个完全是制度的漏洞而且这些小包从国外从境外的电商平台进来内容可能包含很多猪肉的制品包括猪肉香肠 月饼等等很可能成为非洲猪瘟的防疫破口 |
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食藥署明明知道制度有問題從109年就被審計部點名卻放著不改那現在這個爆發了那民進黨沒有檢討自身的這個態度反而甩鍋給立法院的在野黨算一算說不過去嘛昨天的質詢食藥署署長也說 |
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非洲豬因為不會影響人體的健康所以基本上他們雖然有檢測的能力但是他們不會去進行查驗他還說動植物的檢測是屬於防檢署的責任不是食藥署跟食藥署完全沒有關係請問 |
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這個沒有執行項目就算預算給你了你也不會做啊你也不會多查一件啊那另外台中市政府從廚餘的徵主到這個疫情的通報事實上是失責的中央政府早就要求廚餘要使用徵主而且要通報但是這家出事的養豬場它這個通報不完整而台中市政府也僅僅去稽查了兩次了 |
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所以這個讓這個豬瘟病毒有機會侵入入境讓全國豬農一起付出代價非洲豬瘟是全國大家要防線的考驗中央有責任地方政府也有責任民眾更不能取巧我呼籲中央跟地方大家一起來共同堵住堵住這個破口我們一起度過眼前難關希望以後不要再發生謝謝 |
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| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
謝謝陳昭之委員的發言接下來我們請核心村委員發言人黃建豪委員請準備 |
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13098.752 |
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| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
院長各位同仁大家好現在正是防疫期間做事把問題解決比什麼都重要七年之後台灣又出現了非洲豬瘟而且案例出現在台中身為台中選出來立法委員我感到非常的心痛一發現病毒中央立即啟動防疫我想中央地方大家不分黨派 |
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| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
應該同心抗議才是正本 |
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| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
尤其中央在第一時間就進駐台中設置前進應變所跟台中市政府一起攜手防疫每日更新資料其能精準掌握以儘快清零我們看到中央應變所每天召開的記者會第一疫情狀況的處置我們看到不管是疫調精不精準清消 |
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精不精確這些有問題中央立即組專家學者團前進台中就是希望大家中央地方不分攜手為防疫而努力第二公開透明的資訊讓國人從媒體可以看到 |
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我們防疫的環節到底哪裡出了問題要怎麼解決問題把疫情的影響能夠縮到最小 降到最低這個是大家共同不分朝野的期待我想從疫情通報 獸醫採檢到禁止廚餘未租後的廚餘去化問題 |
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都是眼前必須要解決的尤其大量的廚餘民眾看到是非常的觸目驚心這些廚餘海擔心自己居住的環境受到污染擔心身體的健康會受到危害所以非常感謝行政院卓院長三度到台中來視導昨天還親自到文山也買場雖然看到已經覆土但是現場不斷有泡泡冒出而這些是什麼 |
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台中目前有12處傾倒廚餘的大土坑其中還有3處繼續收埋廚餘我要求這12處的廚餘掩埋的防護措施要做好後續的監控機制也要持續 |
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中央都要方方面面的督促地方政府做好透明公開以安民心我想這段期間影響民生經濟層面非常大也感謝行政院昨天在第一時間就宣誓了 |
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整個產業輔導的補助措施雖然體恤民情但是我相信能不能完整的照顧到整個豬肉產業鏈的每個受衝擊的勞工個人都需要再次檢視如有遺漏應該儘速再補公告繼續納入補助是的在病毒之前我們沒有人可以是局外人 |
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謝謝何新淳委員的發言接下來我們請最後一位登記發言黃建豪委員請發言好 主席 各位委員 各位同仁 |
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各位國人 我想非洲豬瘟2025年5月29號第92屆的世界動物衛生組織在80年會議的時候通過我國正式認定為豬瘟非裔國但是不到5個月的時間近期就因為台中漲出了非洲豬瘟所以爆發了疫情之後看到全台灣關注非洲豬瘟疫情的國人都把焦點聚焦在台中 |
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但是我們要強調我國過去是非疫區非洲豬瘟病毒百分之百來自於境外病毒不可能也不會在台灣這塊土地長出來所以嚴格的邊境檢疫措施是阻絕疫病於境外的地道防線我國邊境管制措施在機場港口郵包等通路強化查驗才是正辦包含說我們看到新聞高雄港近期查出了133噸的走私肉品 |
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就這麼剛好在非洲豬瘟疫情爆發之後我們就能夠在港口邊查到這麼多走私肉品到底有誰來查過去有誰來收這部分我們也希望檢緊調應該持續追查下去會不會過去這段長期的時間有這麼多走私不知名來路的肉品進入流入台灣的市場我們也看到 |
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現在政府也宣示說要讓電商平台下架不准境外的肉品進入台灣市場在在都顯示邊境管制才是這次非洲豬瘟爆發最重要的原因之一所以我們希望邊境管制的責任一定要嚴查嚴辦後續更應該加強相關的邊境管制那另外此次非洲豬瘟的問題當然大家關注的是廚餘餵食豬吃的問題 |
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全國的廚餘養豬僅佔8%但是相關的破口對於全國的豬農產業的產值2000多億都可能造成巨大的傷害所以本黨團特別提出應該立即去禁止廚餘養豬我想廚餘可回收再利用 |
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過去這些年新北市嘉義縣彰化縣金門縣也都榮獲環境部頒發的特優獎即便是桃園市還有這次爆發疫情的台中市宜蘭縣苗栗縣雲林縣新竹市花蓮縣澎湖縣等各縣市在廚餘回收方面也獲得環境部的優等獎 |
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表示說廚餘其實可以回收再利用的我們希望賴清德總統應該重新思考廚餘養豬的政策適不適合現在台灣的養豬產業還是要為了少數的養豬產業繼續放任疫情的破口持續進入台灣這一次我們提出的案子希望說 |
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為了國家競爭力及國家養豬產值造成的巨大傷害損失對於我們政府不施積極檢疫防疫破口精進的防疫作為提出檢討我們希望大家共同面對這次的難關一起往心靈來邁進謝謝好 謝謝黃建豪委員的發言現在有報怨會現有國民黨團提議禁服二讀另有台灣民眾黨黨團要求表決現在要進行表決 |
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麻煩林國琛委員仔細聽我在宣布什麼好不好現有臺灣民眾黨團要求表決我們要進行表決現在針對國民黨團體禁服二讀進行表決現有民進黨臺灣民眾黨團要求記名表決我們記名表決贊成國民黨黨團體請按贊成反對請按反對時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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報告表決結果在場委員97位贊成59位反對38位贊成者多數國民黨黨團體照案通過本案禁覆二讀依據立法院職權新司法第74條之一 |
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規定交付黨團協商我們現在做以下決議交付黨團協商並由國民黨黨團負責召集協商抱怨會我們討論事項均已經處理完畢上午會議進行到此為止下午兩點三十分抱怨會王洪文委員發表聲明對第二案表決與國民黨團意見一致我們列入公報記錄我們下午兩點三十分繼續開會進行施政質詢現在休息 |
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好 總委員長 政府委員長 各位閣議員 午安報告委員會 我們繼續開會吳宗憲委員發表聲明上午的表決與國民黨團意見一致列入公報記錄林黛化委員發表聲明上午的表決與民進黨黨團意見一致列入公報記錄我們現在繼續進行對行政院院長施政報告在進行諮詢之前我們先請副秘長報告部會首長請假情況 |
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報告委員會行政院來函楊政務委員曾尼本日下午因公請假外交部林部長佳龍本日下午因公請假由吳次長置中代表列席國家科學及技術委員會吳主任委員陳文本日下午因公請假由林副主任委員法正代表列席中央選舉委員會李主任委員靖永本日下午三時三十分起因公請假由陳副主任委員曹健代表列席報告完畢 |
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我們現在請許智傑委員質詢鄭天才委員請準備主席大家好我們請院長麻煩請卓院長備詢 |
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徐委員好 院長好最近媒體報導就是我們國安17項策略然後又21部法律還有120項工作要逐步上路跟我們之前有沒有很多的國安的修法還有治安法 還有海蘭基法這個又是額外的院長怎麼會有這麼多角度要去做調整 |
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國安17項因應的策略跟措施還有其中的辦法等等都是總統在3月份召開連續兩次國安高層會議之後面對五大威脅所制定出來的在現階段 |
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我們綜合現在所受到的一些國內國外的各種衝擊對國軍 對國家 對社會對各個階層受到不同的各種衝擊跟威脅跟滲透的時候必須國家有所因應這完全基於國家安全之所需要 |
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我想現在中國的狀況也魂頓未眠了習近平的地位似乎也有搖搖欲絕的狀況我想他萬一有什麼狗急跳牆的動作 |
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特別防範在這邊也提醒我們院長就是在開國安會的時候也特別幫忙關注保護台灣最重要我們長期間在關注台灣本身自己的國家安全跟主權維護的問題我們會顧好我們自己的國家我們會顧好我們自己的國家我們會顧好我們自己的國家我們會顧好我們自己的國家我們會顧好我們自己的國家我們會顧好我們自己的國家我們會顧好我們自己的國家我們會顧好我們自己的國家我們會顧好我們自己的國家我們會顧好我們自己的國家我們會顧好我們自己的國家我們會顧好我們自己的國家我們會顧好我們自己的國家我們會顧好我們自己的國家我們會顧好我們自己的國家我們會顧好我們自己的國家我們會顧好我們自己的國家我們會顧好我們自己的國家我們會顧好我們自己的國家我們 |
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今天其實最重要的就是說有一些交通部有很多事情所以其實我們部長已經非常的關心非常的幫忙所以在這邊先表示感謝但是還有一些大的項目需要院長指示跟幫忙的部分在這邊特別提出來我想推動我們南台灣人流、金流、物流建構南高屏、陸海、空生活圈 |
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這是一個大的方向像北北基桃其實它整個區域經濟現在已經非常的活絡但是在我們南部就是台南 高雄 屏東可以類似北北基桃這樣一個區域經濟生活圈的概念怎麼樣去連接得更好讓我們三個城市都能夠更加的活絡這是非常重要的工作所以在飛機方面我想有一首歌 |
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院長不知道有沒有聽過那個《高雄一起飛》《高雄一起飛》對 就是那首歌我簡單唱一下讓院長參考它叫做 海風吹啊吹 高雄準備要飛飛向未來 對全世界 展現我們的美麗 |
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海風吹啊吹 高雄準備要飛北方未來對全世界展現我們的美麗展現我們高雄的美麗其實我現在要 |
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表達的是說其實藍高屏真的很重要所以我在這一陣子部長可能比較熟悉我已經很努力地替高雄直飛到全世界的航線登起了很多的航線大概有25條左右我們現在其實還有一個非常非常重要的就是24小時的機場那24小時的機場 |
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現在我有請民行局也評估過那當然交通部也都知道那我也知道困難度很高但是我想這個真的是我們南高屏非常非常重要的所以我在這邊特別就院長的面也再提一次希望說院長跟部長能夠給我們特別的評估一下那當然也許是南興計畫也許是新達港也許是其他地方這個有不同的選擇 |
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第二個就是我們的南向政策南向政策其實印尼有2.8億的人印尼的簽證一直都很困難其實很多航空公司我去拜訪的時候他們都表達非常大的困難度印尼其實我們在泰國、汶萊、菲律賓這些國家都是先試辦免簽我們先試辦免簽之後他們也跟著我們 |
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免簽所以現在我們的太、問、非都是這樣子的模式但是印尼現在蠻嚴格的所以就是針對這個印尼的部分是不是我們有機會真的是好好的思考一下可以開放的部分就是開放 |
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另外就是在路的部分公路的部分我們現在我是希望就是我們從高雄到台南中間這一段包括我們左營那一段事實上高速公路塞車都蠻嚴重的所以如果有可能類似南部版五陽高架道路的規劃其實這個對我們南部來講很多人有這個想法跟希望 |
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我也有請交通部、高速公路、國道評估他們現在是說困難度也很高我一直覺得很多困難度很高的東西如果我們不去做思考我剛講了24小時的機場跟我說如果可以做早就做了啦但是如果現在不做、以前不做、現在不做以後什麼時候有機會做我是覺得可能比較高困難度的時候我們還是要去挑戰 |
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或者是說去好好的評估就是把這個24小時的機場可以完成那五陽高架的部分我也是希望說交通部可以仔細審慎盡力去評估啦那當然現在那個 |
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交通部幫我們做的我也要感謝一下現在國道1號我們已經爭取到南梓到台南的路段這裡將來會擴充為八線道這本來是六線道 將來會擴充為八線道現在也謝謝院長下去好多次了我們的國七跟高屏二塊這個都已經核定 都已經准了 |
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包括我們之前的台17我們的劉世東部長以前當立委的時候也一直在幫忙爭取包括我們現在台88的有一些紮道都拖寬目前為止我們這樣子來做是可以會有 |
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改善的機會啦但是我是覺得就是說改善這個部分是好事但是長遠的部分還是要想一個比較長治久安的想法那第三個是南高屏好玩卡跟部長報告一下跟院長報告一下南高屏好玩卡其實在日本啦在韓國啦這些人家都是規劃得蠻好的包括這一次的萬國博覽會事實上大阪的好玩卡也規劃得很好那我們交通部目前有一個不錯的就是TPAS |
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其實還不錯但是TPAS是以交通的角度沒有少掉以觀光的角度景點的角度去把它做連接而且是南高屏我是覺得南高屏可以一起去做思考就整個類似北北基桃這樣子的思考去把它整體加強那我們南高屏才會更加的壯大那第三個部分就是我們的 |
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國際郵輪的部分這個部分因為可能我們台灣人的旅遊習慣跟歐美的旅遊習慣不太一樣他們都是一星期以上我們都是差不多五天就差不多沒什麼要繼續了但是這個郵輪觀光目前在我們台灣來講在基隆港是做得還不錯但是它大部分就是由東北東北亞我們的 |
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高雄港目前其實郵輪跟基隆港比差不多他們的十分之一而已那未來如果再發展東南亞那配合院長跟總統所提的大南方新矽谷這個其實包括科技、經濟包括觀光經濟這個可以一起來思考的這個我都希望說讓院長知道一下能夠特別的在我們家在努力 |
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最底下一個就是亞洲資產管理中心這個也謝謝院長跟金管財政相關部會支持高雄那一天我們也有去會刊會刊的狀況事實上就是說這個將來我們希望可以超越香港我想很快啦因為香港現在很多的錢人家不敢在那邊存錢了 |
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那香港跟新加坡當然我們能夠贏過新加坡可能速度還不是那麼快我想我們先贏過香港再來再追逐新加坡甚至贏過新加坡我就想到說以前那個共產黨他們有一句話說要超英敢我是覺得我們超香港心 |
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很快的可以趕過香港因為香港現在金融真的是大家都跑掉了那還有貨櫃香港的貨櫃現在不是跑來高雄是跑去上海比較多這很可惜 |
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我們應該是在整個南高坪的思考把它做大這樣子一個一個來做的更好所以我是覺得這個部分要整體讓院長知道一下所以我想個別我再請教一下院長我們25條航線我就不追溯了另外就是我們高雄日本首航事實上我一條一條去做 |
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我都是岡山 熊本 仙台我都是當天去 隔天回來不然就是一天來回我去仙台是一天來回所以我們一直在爭取我們的航班可以更多我們目前恢復的狀況也還不錯就是說在疫情前跟現在高雄已經恢復的比疫情前還好所以最重要的就是24小時的機場 |
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謝謝委員在高雄從交通到金融到鐵公路一直這樣全面性的建議我一直希望說台灣有南北雙空港一個是桃園機場一個是高雄的機場高雄目前來看以小港機場新航廈的改建為主小港機場受到地理環境周遭的居民你要他形成24小時的航空程確實目前是有困難在地有困難 |
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全世界沒有消盡被取消掉對 未來以後我們大南方信息股整個科學園區起來很多的貨進出如果不能突破消盡24小時的話對產業的發展確實是一個瓶頸所以我們也積極在看到高雄的機會我也看過其他的地方那目前不是要填海造地就是要更多的一個大的計畫這可能是幾年的過程 |
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所以我們在這個思考以及籌備過程當中先把小港機場的新航廈擴建這個工作給它做好增加它的容量同時引進更大型的廣體飛機服務高雄南部地區的國人們能夠在出國的時候有一個比較好的跟院長報告現在高雄機場擴建我一直都在關心要怎麼樣增加停機坪要怎麼樣注入新的航點那個膠囊旅館這個我們都會再努力我現在就是比較期盼的就是說因為 |
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十四小時機場還是需要啦是 我們會在那就是說希望交通部 民航局就是說這一個我們很因為你幾十年來都沒有做未來其實真的是需要那總是要我們又有決心然後去做一個審慎的評估找到好的地點比如說南興或者是興達南興其實也我有問過民航局他說風向的問題困難度可能也蠻高的啦那 |
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清打港的問題有沒有機會就是說這整體希望說院長跟部長可以做一個比較有決心式的 |
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考量然後請美漢局真的很認真的去研究有的是地理關係有的是航線的問題風向的問題有的是航管的問題不過交通部已經很積極在尋找如何建立一個20小時沒有宵禁的一個南部的航空城這樣在做規劃我是說在這個規劃的同時我們還是先把小港機場新航廈的擴建給他做好服務南部的鄉親那未來你看現在這個 |
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亞洲市場管理中心 高雄引進那麼多銀行會同時在進行 一方面加速現在的新行下一方面也在積極的研判哪裡選擇適合的地點來做這個工作這個我希望說雙軌進行拜託院長再交代一下那部長我們就積極一點好的 我們就各位也多多請教一下意見謝謝 那個印尼我大概簡單看一下你看印尼他人口2.8億世界第四大東南亞第一大國 |
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那以後他曾經開放喔他曾經開放台灣免簽但是後來他又不要了因為就是 |
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我們一直不願意我們的想法是這樣第一個一定要互惠雙方互惠第一個原則第二個如果我們現在有一些問題是存在的希望雙方政府政府之間能夠就目前存在的一些問題包括管理上的問題服務上面的問題人流上的問題大家做一個好的討論有的時候對方也要做一些安全的管控院長包括印尼那邊是比較希望他們那邊應該是問題不大但是我們這邊 |
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要免簽的問題比較大所以我剛剛為什麼提到就是說你看第一個泰國問來菲律賓都是先我們先開放免簽他們就會跟進那疫情後印尼曾經開放我們免簽 |
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但是我們沒有跟進後來他們就縮掉了問題是我們這邊當然說開放一定有它的優點跟缺點我今天好人有小缺點我就是還是要做好人要包容小缺點那你今天開放免簽會有一些小缺點那要怎麼樣去把這個小缺點克服掉做一個大的方向來達成這個免簽的目標 |
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這個是不是拜託院長也指示交通部跟移民署都會比較開放的態度來討論交通部站在觀光署的角度大部分都同意移民署一見比較辛苦就是把問題現在找出來跟對方政府談一下雙方做一些安全上的一些統合協調互相來加強這個關係 |
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沒關係剛才我大的方向都有跟院長報告過了就是說這幾個包括我們剛才提到這幾項我會陸續再跟交通部保持聯繫也拜託院長這幾個大項特別再幫忙關注一下也許要投注比較多的資源 |
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或者是評估的費用等等的這些東西也希望院長能夠支持讓交通部更好做事交通部已經很幫我們的忙了我們還是表示感謝啦那未來要耕取更大的南高屏區域經濟我們會繼續努力拜託院長好 謝謝謝謝許智杰委員質詢謝謝卓院長 相關部會首長貝勳 謝謝 |
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好 我們接下來請鄭天才委員請質詢李昆哲委員請準備好 我們立法院院長我們卓院長以及各部會所長有請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢 |
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政務委員好 謝謝你院長好 辛苦了謝謝你每次我們到花蓮你都是從頭到尾每次都全程的提供很好的意見 謝謝好 首先還是要謝謝卓院長及政務委員還有各部會首長到這個花蓮光屋鄉做非常多的一個支持跟協助好 我們今天就先談這個馬太安溪這個潰壩造成的這些事項 |
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我們先看花蓮縣光復鄉嚴重的災害我們今天不談不談責任只談這個主管單位 |
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第一个 人民的伤亡人民的伤亡就是因为第一个 没有完全撤离这个是主管单位就包含了中央 县府 乡公所到村长这个我们也谢谢我们冀政务委员这个已经做了一次的非常好的演练这个都可以作为包括其他县市共同的一个参考第二个原因 人民的伤亡第二个原因 |
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就是應該防範菸攝乎潰壩或溢流這個主要是中央主管的單位第三個就是提防因羞足加固加高這個也是中央政府的主管的單位 |
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第二個嚴重的災害就是災情就是房屋淹水土石家計沖毀 汽車 機車沖毀農田 農作物淹埋土石包括當然還有很多的像教堂 公共設施這個都是這個就是跟撤離沒有關係與撤離無關 |
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主要的原因當然就是應該防範這個因涉浮潰壩或溢流這是中央政府主管第二個原因提防因加高加固這個包括河床的疏浚這個是中央政府的主管的單位 |
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第三個重大的災情就是馬太安溪橋被沖毀當然這個主要的就是這個因防範 因涉浮潰壩或溢流這個也是中央政府主管的單位我們看現在現行的國有林地因涉浮因變標準作業程序這個規定 |
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你看我們只有林務級就是現在的林業農業部林業署來主管跟他的這個各林區管理處這個部分我們都必須要去檢討然後我們看這個緊急應變階段這是第二階段緊急應變階段還交給林管處召開這個應變小組所以這個應該要提高層級 |
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另外就是到了第三阶段的时候也不过是由林务己就是现在的林业署来负责召开咨询会议因涉浮之工程处理方案警戒撤离对策所以这个部分也是层级不高需要去检讨提高当然很重要的就是什么要有经费是要有经费 是没有经费 |
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所以我們看這個這個煙射伏緊急工程的處理包括緊急抽水 緊急排水緊急排水就是要降蛙這裡面寫得很清楚這是最有效的方法讓煙射伏壩體開挖一流水道這是這裡面寫的最有效的方法另外就是降低天然壩之壩體高度也是壩頂要挖降所以這個部分這個也是一個 |
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這主要是經費 所以涉及到經費所以河道疏浚以整治工程也都是一樣會涉及到經費所以在這樣的一個情況之下本席特別請院長能夠將應變標準作業程序能夠提高為法例或法規命令的位階並且可以動之行政院的第二義備金 |
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這個法律的措錢可以在哪裡也許可以在災害防救法那一條然後在措錢定一個辦法這樣的話是不是可以朝這個方向去努力是 報告委員的用心關於煙射壺的關於它的整個包括它的復原等等本來我們是有一個相關的指引在做各種依據現在因為看到這一次的煙射壺的事件 |
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農業部已經在提升他的整個法律的位階 |
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未來是在災防法裡面會把他納進來所以說委員所建議的這個部分等於我們現在在做的雖然他目前是在林務局做一個主管的單位但是從第二天開始我們就成立了中央應變中心也到現場去相關的必須要動用到的經費也都會隨時的支應出來現在我們又有更多的這些特別的預算可以來支應這個都已經是現在現行的制度跟現行的方法了 |
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好 謝謝院長我們就以修正災害防救法針對一條然後能夠授權訂一個更完善的法規命令我們看這個個案今天的馬太安溪淹涉浮潰壩或溢流這樣的一個個案根據農業部林業署也就是林務局的資料根據這個資料寫得很清楚 |
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92年就開始有崩塌現象比較很嚴重開始的就是從109年開始支流上游裸露面積逐年擴大然後有時細水 有時沒有細水 |
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然后113年也就是去年康瑞台风后支流右岸尤其下游侧开始有急波崩塌所以这个部分就是我们从这个个案来去检讨然后就可以让未来有更好的因应的机制所以本席是太晚知道了 |
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本席是八月中旬之前差不多八月初的時候知道這個從新聞上知道所以我在八月十三號在左院長主持這個丹納斯颱風的特別條例的時候我提出了這個附帶決議 |
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就是在請行政院督導行政院公共工程委員會農業部還有經濟部第一個開挖義弘道第二個修築堤榜 庫藏工程在這個主結議附帶結議裡面就寫得很清楚所以這個附帶結議在8月15號立法院通過了我本人我在8月20號的時候看到新聞 |
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林務局的資料林業署的資料就是說 |
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都沒有下雨的話10月初就會溢流所以我8月20號緊急發會議通知邀請行政院 災防辦還有公共工程委員會農業部 經濟部召開緊急的會議所以我做出了一個結論 結議也就是請各機關要依立法院的附帶結議趕快進行當然就是開發易紅道 修築堤防 庫船工程 |
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等等所以這樣的一個情形之下當然我們看事後卓院長多次的去這個視察然後各部會也緊急的去做了非常多的一個工程譬如說這個以及進步來講短期臨時提防10月5號就完成10月5號就完成 |
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當然就是經費的問題成績的提高的問題就會從這邊可以顯示出來緊急輸進工程像這樣的總共加起來的經費差不多40億所以這個跟經費跟成績的提高都有關係我們看農業部的報告農業部在10月25號跟向院長所做的報告裡面 |
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也提到這個施工變道要從光復林道或望龍林道或馬灘溪的溪床然後降體 壩體的降溫 降低水位壩體穩定這個也都是需要經費當然這裡面 |
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等一下我們可以討論就是說農業部的報告裡面方案一就是光復零到19K開始降上去13公里200個工作天坡度較平穩方案二從望龍零到上去長度2.3公里 坡度比較多所以有相關的這些規劃跟分析很快的就有這樣的一個規劃分析我們看這個 |
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整個院社府如果我們看國際的三大案例國際的三大案例我們看比較相近的應該是案例三完全用花捷引流這個是美國 |
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以陸軍工兵團動用大量挖土機或推土機等重型設備開著一條人工的易洪道這個是我們可以參考國外的案例那我本席不是這方面的專業但是我在8月22號的召開的緊急會議的時候是建議 |
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農業部當時的建議協調國防部用空軍的直升機載運這個挖土機中型的或小型的挖土機不是整個蓋其實它是可以組裝的零件可以組裝的當然要看地形地貌要看地形地貌這個都是要去觀察當然我只不過是建議 |
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如果真的挖土機沒有辦法的話那個地形地貌只好譜說就比照幾十年前了幾十年前的方式就是用人工用空中直升機載人工所以這個部分都是可以去考量的考量的部分因為我們也必須考量 |
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這樣的一個林道這麼長你整個要把那個林道要透寬這個相關的機械才可以上去對這個山林的保護是不是會有影響都必須去評估了這個是我只是給農業部 |
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兩點簡單跟我們報告第一個當初我們也想到說降蛙空降是降蛙或者洪溪館但是任何的方式 |
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所需要的時間因為那個霸體太大了任何的方式在10月底都不可能完成那10月底依照我們的研判他會自然的溢流出來所以就是嚴加的監控這個部分應該是我們這不是專業我只不過是建議而且剛才我特別提了 |
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我們怎麼樣呢 提早因應就以這個馬太安西煙社府來講如果109年就時間就很長了所以他只要有的時候我們就像現在的利物溪就像現在的利物溪 |
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馬上就可以當然他不一樣不能一樣我只不過是建議 農業部是長期在觀測當時他的那個量體還那麼小比方說我們在尖石鄉的太康溪現在也有但是他不足以我們去做一個緊急的處分但是我們在9月中的時候 |
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行政院的政務會議就正式排定一個驗社府的報告當時我們就認為說提出剛剛的三個方式以及時間點在那個時間決定就是要嚴密的監控他如果有狀況我們採取應急的措施但是也要求當地要進行疏散的演練這個部分可能是有一點時間上的落差未來的 |
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因變作業程序或者是法規就是要一開始有發現的時候就要去處理就像這個來講如果109年就開始的話我跟委員早就補充一下就是以這次的花蓮的馬太安跟利物溪的兩個驗證物來比較因為它本身的 |
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堆積出來的Body它的性質是不一樣像利烏溪我們就用降蛙的方式引流的方式所以因為它的地質是適合這樣子的但馬太安是以泥沙為主而且那時候的天氣經常下雨土石非常鬆軟是沒有辦法做任何的可能的方式去處理所以我們才用嚴密的監控然後對下游做一個很極盡速的一個 |
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疏散的一個策略這個不是責任我只是這樣說就是說這個要請國防部協助國防部協助相關的直升機最起碼去了解整個地形好不好這個當然我沒有說你的方案一或方案二是錯誤的我沒有這樣講只不過能夠有更好的也許有更好的方式接下來 |
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這個鐵路的部分我們先以北迴鐵路來看這個前線東車這整個都是用人力16座隧道主要是靠人工主要是靠人工這是我以北迴鐵路為例 |
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我們看這個當初北圍鐵路就是靠人工這次經濟部對於這個馬太安溪橋相關的這些因應當然除了剛才這個講已經講了這個提防的部分的謝謝就繼續努力了那現在就看這個鐵路民國70年光復隧道民國70年 |
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所以非常感恩感謝當時的鐵路局的規劃人員他就用這個隧道所以造成這一次所以馬灘溪橋斷了很多的都是透過這個鐵路來運送這麼多的志工去那邊都是靠這個隧道所以真的是要感謝我們看這個 |
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這個整個馬灘西橋都已經重回了我們看這個光復隧道1981年第一道第一代的光復隧道民國70年就通車然後第二代隧道2013年它改為雙向 |
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這個第一代民國70年那個現在是空在那邊所以我上次有跟部長建議當然我只能建議這個是不是有可能我認為當初的台鐵集能夠要用挖的他本來是在上面他們一定是了解這個光復馬太安溪的問題 |
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所以他們是往下 民國70年就知道了所以這個部分是給交通部找專家學者 專業人員去參考我的建議啦 有可能的話公路啊橋啊 那個橋吧 太安溪橋有沒有可能從下面這個部分給交通部 這個我們都不是專業人員好 就這樣好 我們接下來這個 |
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特別預算 特別條例今天通過了行政院就要開始編列特別預算各部會 主要是其他各部會啦那園民會也不要忽略到園民會啦我只不過是建議不要忽略到園民會那因為光互相來講啊1%、53%的人口是原住民 |
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所以除了各部會應該要編列的依照特別條例來編列預算之外因為光復鄉原住民的人口佔了55.43%所以這個部分 |
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這個像以這次的特別條例所通過的這個第四條第一項第六款有文化資產文化健康站聚會所相關的這些包括教會教堂這次又教堂受損所以這個相關的這些文化產業的振興各方面也請這個主席總書不要忘了這個 |
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人民會這個能夠也編列在這個300億裡面能夠去編列就是這樣的一個建議有 我們有編列下剛剛你講這些聚會所 教會 教堂這個都有好 非常謝謝我們接下來接下來就請 還是請交通部麻煩再請交通部長備詢好 請主委 |
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這個漁花東地區鐵路設施安全改善計畫這個部長已經被我質詢得很不耐煩了也沒有不耐煩你都很積極的討論很多次了這個是0403的地震所造成的所以0403也就是113年4月3號台鐵 |
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在去年12月9號提報了宜花東地區鐵路設施安全改善計畫到交通部 交通部審查之後退學期再修正 退學期再修正然後本席在7月24號質詢部長部長說我們會努力跟行政院爭取 |
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本席也質詢了前任的國發會主委在8月7號的時候國發會主委說我們會審查那時候行政院交付交付給國發會那國發會前天 |
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前天已經審查完成了國發會我都有在追蹤因為我是公務人員也做過辦理過嚴考所以都有去追蹤謝謝國發會已經審查完畢了已經應該是下禮拜就會收到行政院就會收到這個計畫要請院長能夠趕快的核定 |
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讓這個宜花東地區鐵路設施安全改善計畫能夠盡快的開始執行 |
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可以嗎 院長交通部在04、03之後對花東地區的交通的安全提升確實是跟地方也在溝通那麼也做了一些規劃 工程上的規劃那國發會既然已經就內容已審核那如果願送到這裡來我會詳細的看那其中有需要再跟部裡面再做溝通的或是跟國發會再做說明的我會緊速的來完成我常常跟那個 |
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部長常常以北迴鐵路為例北迴鐵路當時的財政的狀況跟現在的差很多79.2公里的幹線22座大橋16座隧道6年就完工了很多都是用人工所以這個部分這個要請 |
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這個院長多多支持 趕快核定好 謝謝院長剛才的這個承諾好 我們接下來就再請原民會來麻煩再請原民會備詢這個院長這個原住民族自治跟原住民族土地及海域法是我們原住民族最迫切需要的 |
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在去年的5月31號我們卓院長的施政方針的口頭報告裡面也特別提到落實原住民族基本法在這個揹立原住民族自治的推動然後院長在當天的報告裡面也提到健全原住民族土地的法治這裡面都提到我們看這個中華民國憲法徵修條文 |
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這個特別提到國家因於民族意願保障原住民族的地位及政治參與對於土地的部分也特別提到也就是跟自治跟土地我們今天就談這兩個主題這個我們陳水扁總統在還沒有原住民族基本法之前 |
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在民國91年10月19號陳水扁總統跟原住民族簽訂了新夥伴關係再肯認的協定為什麼叫再肯認呢事實上我們陳水扁總統在參選總統的時候就跟我們原住民族各族的代表簽了這個協定 |
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他當選總統之後再簽一次因為之前是候選人成為正式的總統之後上任之後簽了一個再肯認協定這個都有記錄歷史 Google都有了這裡面我們今天就談推動原住民族自治就是這個部分當然這裡面有提到原住民族土地恢復部落及原住民族傳統領域土地這個部分 |
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後來民國94年2月5號通過了原住民族基本法原住民族基本法94年2月5號通過今年正好是第20年這原住民族基本法第四條規定政府應依原住民族的意願 |
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實行原住民族自治要定義法律定制要定定這個原住民族自治法然後第二十條也特別規定政府承認原住民族土地的潛力這是第一項第二十條的第三項原住民族的土地要回復包括它的海域 |
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原住民族的海域要制定原住民族土地及海域法民國94年2月5號通過之後啊無論是陳水扁總統或者是這個馬英九總統都有把這個土海法或者是相關自治法送到立法院但是送到立法院的時候都已經很晚了都是 |
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立法院即將藉期的時候即將藉期的時候所以就每一次都藉期不聯繫藉期不聯繫所以又重新退回是這樣的一個情形我們蔡英文總統在當選之後就職之後105年8月1號向原住民組道歉也做了非常重要的承諾 |
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蔡總統說我們會加快腳步將原住民族最重視的原住民族自治法原住民族土地及海域法盡快的會很快的送請立法院的審議所以當時的行政院秘書長當時105年6月27號在司法法治委員會做報告的時候特別提到 |
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本院將在下個會期提出原住民族土地及海域法下個會期以105年6月27號下個會期就是106年的2月開始就是新的會期所以這個部分而且還兩次承諾 |
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105年剛是6月105年的7月又是第二次承諾會很快的送行立法院來審議所以我們綜合這些 |
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我們行政院應該要遵守就是要請行政院遵守第一個 中華民國憲法徵修條文遵守憲法 這是最重要的這是第一個第二個 陳水扁總統代表中華民國政府以原住民族簽訂那個協定 如果按照條約締結法協定就是條約了 |
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按照這個條約締結法的定義條約就是決定就是條約這是第二個第三個中華民國的法律原住民族基本法也規定的這麼明確然後中華民國的總統蔡英文總統也向原住民族承諾然後行政院 |
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行政院也在立法院兩次先是會很快的而且有定個時程然後我們卓院長你的在去年的5月的施政報告裡面也有提到所以這個院長這個其實草案都有草案都有 |
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當初草擬的時候我是第一個我是處長的時候我是企劃處處長的時候然後這個土海法原住民族土地解海法的時候我是已經副主委邀請各部會審查所以才會送到行政院送到立法院院長可以說今年年底以前可以嗎 |
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跟委員報告 委員所關心的原住民自治法的草案還有您關心的這個Too High法都是五進五出跟四進四出在大院的審查但是這這麼多年來政府對原住民族的身分認定權利的促進還有文化的保存一直在持續進行當中但關於這個自治的部分關於行政區劃還有它的權限還有財政劃分等等 |
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朝野之間各部落之間目前還尚難趨於一致不過既然如此現在我們在現行的國家制度上你看在選舉上我們有保障名額我們在專責機關上各級政府都有援助民主的專責機關而且我們在落實的方面我們各種文化各種的保護 |
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好 謝謝鄭天才委員質詢謝謝卓院長 相關部會首長備詢 謝謝好 接下來我們請李坤哲委員請質詢王振旭委員請準備 |
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謝謝主席 有請卓院長以及勞動部紅部長麻煩再請卓院長 勞動部長備詢 |
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院長好議員好照顧勞工是我們政府最重要的基本責任當然要分成三個方向第一個是照顧勞工的基本生活第二是照顧勞工而且要保障勞工的這樣的一個退休的生活第三是要讓勞工的權益獲得保障過得更好 |
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在過去我們長期關注的有關勞保的議題 |
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尤其是在2012年陳沖擔任行政院長當時還沒有勞動部當時是勞委會的主委王如選主委在當時我針對勞保財務精算報告引起社會的恐慌勞工的擔心就是擔心勞保是不是有財務的危機在當時2012年10月我提出兩個重要的訴求 |
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第一個是政府的撥補要像公務員的公保一樣如果有虧損基金不足的時候政府必須要來撥補公務員有 勞工也要有第二是政府要國家負起最終支付責任我記得在2012年的10月31號 |
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我就提案要求針對勞保條例第69條必須要明文入法但是經過了從陳聰院長到民進黨執政之後民進黨的行政院長向社會公開承諾政府要撥補而且國家要負最終支付責任而且也實際做到了我們從2020年開始 |
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蘇貞昌院長開始撥補200億2021年編到220億到今年謝謝卓院長我們今年編了1200億的公務預算以及100億的特別預算在明年 |
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主委院長雖然在財政多重的這種不公平的壓力之下主委院長還是站在勞工的立場還是編組了一千兩百億的公務預算再加一百億的特別預算 |
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但是現在勞工雖然肯定卓院長對於勞工對於勞保勞工退休生活的一個基本保障的用心其實我要跟院長來提到的我們還是必須要明文入法雖然實質上政府撥補 |
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以及國家負最終支付責任實際上民進黨的行政院都做到了但是勞工還是擔憂要有明文入法才能對勞工的勞保必須有更具體的一個保障我們在過去提到這個相關的議題其實2012年的時候我提案在2024年這一屆 |
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的4月9號我又再一次的提案一直提案就是要督促政府讓勞工能夠安心這就是所謂的安心條款那在過去我們說要跟跟勞工跟學界跟資方來做相關的對話我認為必須要 |
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再進一步做到法制化的推動來 請卓院長說明一下好 謝謝經過多年這樣的努力跟政府撥補的政策我們的勞保基金的規模現在已經足以讓大家安心所以今天委員在這裡的質詢跟等一下我們現在的答覆絕對不會讓勞工恐慌 讓社會擔心絕對沒有過去那個情境了 |
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那麼從114年到現在我們撥補的金額整個已經高達3800多億再加上明年的1200億跟100億已經超過了5000億我想這樣的撥補的政策我們會持續下去那這個就是政府代表政府對勞保基金以及勞工權益最大最後的責任那是不是要入法那個勞動部一直有在做各種財政上面的規劃跟研究請洪部長說明 |
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跟委員說明其實當然因為現在我們確實看到尤其是李委員其實最早的時候就已經提出這個最終責任的入法 |
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其實現在在政策上面我們其實就是政府負擔最終責任我想這部分在政策上我們宣示很多次當然如果接下來在委員會裡面朝野委員要針對這個部分來排審我們也會持一個開放的態度來跟委員們來做這部分的討論當然我們也會來尊重最後在立法院審議的結果 |
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這個必須要負起照顧勞工退休生活我們必須更積極的負起這樣的責任現在先請卓院長回座位休息因為接下來我有一些政策的細節來跟洪部長來做討論謝謝卓院長麻煩請卓院長休息 |
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好謝謝洪部長我們接下來就針對就業服務法第5條就是有關於透明薪資的部分我們現在在招募員工如果是4萬元以下必須要幫 |
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要把相關薪資的數字寫在招募的這樣的一個公告裡面如果你是三萬三你也可以寫三萬三到三萬六但是不能超過這個彈性不能超過五千元但是現在這個當初的就業服務法是在2018年的時候制定 |
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當時候制定它必須要考量兩個方面第一個是經常性的薪資第一個是當時稱為基本工資現在已經改為最低工資當時這樣的一個經常性薪資大概是41700元但是現在都已經超過46000元 |
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相關的基本工資我們也一再的調整民進黨執政之後我們就已經有10次調整這樣的一個基本工資到明年月薪可以調到29500元時薪調到196元薪資調整經常性薪資也調整我認為這個4萬元必須要做調整 |
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必須要做調整 要調高之外而且要有機制性的一個調整讓勞工來了解相關的薪資的狀況對於自己的權益能夠更清楚的掌握來 部長說明一下跟李委員說明其實我們非常非常在意這個對於勞工的薪資條件的各種保障所以我們這幾年其實第一個就像剛剛委員說的最低工資我們不斷已經連10次的調整現在已經快要接近到3萬了 |
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那第二個我不知道我有沒有注意到其實我們這兩天其實公布的這個移工的新的方案裡面其實也把加薪的條件給加進去也就是要多聘移工就要來幫本國勞工加薪這都是我們希望能夠 |
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為提高的勞工的薪資做更多的努力另外一個也很重要的其實是剛剛李委員說的在國際上面有用這叫做薪資的透明化透過薪資透明化的部分也有助於讓勞工的薪水其實在大家透明的狀況下面大家就會去比較然後可以再把薪資可以調高 |
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所以的確對於薪資的透明化的部分目前是4萬塊我們也有在檢討是不是要再把它往上拉高甚至接下來是有一個機制性的可以拉高我想這部分我們也在考慮這個事情因為讓勞工掌握薪資的透明度對於他薪資的狀況更能掌握他自己的一個權益那相關的這個調高是一個勢在必行的趨勢 |
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美國或是歐洲很多國家都已經有這樣的一個反而是更嚴謹的更詳細的這樣的一個薪資透明那我們現在是希望他有一個調高而且是有一個機制來做處理那我有提出我的版本我認為是應該以最低工資的 |
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1.75倍但是我是建議1.5到1.8都可以你認為呢我覺得想當然這個實際的數字我們可以看委員們各委員來做一些研議但的確現在4萬我們也覺得是可以有調高的空間甚至它就變成是一個機制性的它不一定一定是一個定數或者是 |
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的這個狀況所以我想我們其實也在擬定相關的修法的版本會來參考大家的意見然後我想到時候來跟關心的委員來大家一起做討論我們當然希望對勞工的薪資有更多的保障還有往上支撐的力道我想薪資透明化是一個滿重要支撐的力道好 謝謝部長必須要落實的去推動 |
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說完就業服務法我們來談就業保險法我有三個小子題來跟部長討論第一個是高齡勞工的問題第二個是失業勞工的問題第三是有關於6加1的相關育嬰價的問題 |
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是否要再加入我們的單親上偶的勞工第一個高齡的部分我們就業保險法目前所規定保險的對象是15歲到65歲我認為必須要提高現在中高齡的這樣的一個 |
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就業是未來的一個趨勢也是一個現象到65歲之後我們也必須應該給予就業的保險當然這個前提在年齡提高它必須沒有其他的給付才可以有這樣的一個保險的適用部長說明一下你的看法 |
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其實因為這個舊保法的檢討其實我們現在也在最後的盤整的階段其中一個部分就是對於適用年齡65歲是不是要再往上打開尤其是現在 |
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這個少子化跟高齡化的議題其實我們也看到蠻多的中高齡的勞工他的確還有在往下工作的意願所以是不是把這個給打開也符合現在整體的趨勢我們的確現在也在規劃當中所以我想應該這幾個月我們其實就會來提出救保法的這個草案修法的草案那就希望送到立法院先送到行政院然後再送到立法院大家來討論跟修訂 |
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好 相關的法治法等一下你再請你說明相關的時程必須也要明確跟勞工來做報告跟說明剛才我們提到有關於高齡勞工這樣的一個就業保險法他的年齡必須要調高之外我們來談失業勞工的給付 |
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現在失業勞工他要申請相關的國家的一些補助給付他必須是要在他失業之後14天之內他經過公家或相關的媒介找不到工作或者是沒有辦法得到職業訓練的狀況之下14天之後才可以清理相關的失業給付 |
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但我認為在現在的這樣一個社會繁重的壓力跟節奏之下我認為也必須要縮短這樣一個失業給付的日期 等待日期我的初步建議是要縮短到7到10天讓勞工趕快可以針對這樣的一個失業的狀況有一個可以應急的這樣的一個資源來 請部長說明一下你的看法 |
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跟委員說明其實現在確實整體的失業率是相對比較低的但是其實我們對於失業勞工他其實相關的權益包括他其實可以申請相關資源的權益其實這也是我們現在在救保法在檢討的部分剛剛在講到14天是不是要往下休我們其實的確目前也有在規劃是不是要比方說剛剛講7天 |
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這樣子的數字希望能夠讓他的權利或申請相關的資源的時候不用有中間這麼多的間隔這部分也是在現在剛才在講到整體的救保法的檢討之中我認為是蠻有機會是在我們的草案裡面來提出來跟社會來討論另外這都要加強它的法制化的作用而且在修法的過程還是必須跟勞工團體跟工會來進行對話當然 |
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另外我們來討論到育嬰假的議題賴總統有向社會宣示勞工的育嬰假要6加1就是說 |
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爸爸 媽媽如果你們請了六個月的育嬰假這個孩子還是需要照顧可以再加一個月也是留子停薪的這樣的一個育嬰的重要的時間6加1的法制化的過程現在怎麼樣 |
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現在6加1因為也在行政院的這個雙就業雙照顧的這個國發會在督導的這部分經發會在督導這部分裡面所以也是在這個救保法的修法裡面那我們一樣因為這也是在賴總統的政見裡面希望把它延長一個月那重點是說它其實是要雙清都清滿六個月那才能夠有這個6加1的部分那這也兼顧到一些照顧的性別平等的問題 |
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所以我說這也是在我們那一整個救保法的修法的期程裡面我們希望可以一併把它提出來所以我現在說6加1必須要加緊它的法制化之外我現在再提一個就是單親喪偶的育嬰假我們必須要拿入我們現在討論的都是雙親雙親你都請好你的育嬰假之後你可以再加1這是我們要修法的一個重要的方向那單親喪偶的 |
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單親上好在我們的檢討裡面也包括在考慮裡面因為如果是單親的部分當然更需要因為他就比較不是一個傳統大家認為性別平等的問題可是單親的話他可能更需要這樣子一個延長的照顧因為他照顧起來單親可能會更吃力一點所以我們當然要把他給考慮進來 |
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我們對於勞工的照顧是我們重要的責任不管是調薪或是我們通過了職業災害勞工保險及保護法以及未來的救護法以及救保法我們都必須要積極的修正保障勞工謝謝部長謝謝李坤哲委員指引謝謝卓院長 相關部委所長備詢接下來我們請王振旭委員質詢張家俊委員請準備 |
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謝謝主席有請行政院卓院長 衛福部 石部長麻煩請卓院長 衛福部長備詢王委員好院長好 |
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部長好今天主要想針對四個題目來請教院長跟部長第一個就是健檢資料整合的運用第二部分就是所得稅健檢扣除額的部分第三設立兒童專責機構第四大部分就是提高補充保費的上限很謝謝院長跟部長 |
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針對於我所在醫療過程當中我們行政院還有各方面提供給我們很多的幫助我們知道健檢資料的整合運用是非常非常重要的一個基礎建設其實賴總統在今年的2月27號就針對在健康 |
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台灣推動委員會第三次的會議上面有裁示要來推動國人健診資料的彙整、上傳還有運用我相信大家都很清楚院長、部長都了解強化健診資料的整合運用是非常重要的基本上就是我們如果這樣把這個事情做好的話 |
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第一個就是落實總統重要的財事跟決議第二個部分就是協助國人來做自我健康的管理有利於各種疾病的早期的發現跟早期的治療當然透過這些大型資料的整合以後就有可能來開發大數據跟AI |
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相關領域的運用所以這個重要性是不言可喻可是要把這個政策做好有兩個非常重要就是要同意這些資料能夠上傳整合在一起第二部分就是使用的資料量是一個關鍵如果這個資料量夠大的話我們所整合出來的資料的運用才能夠具體的讓未來國人的健康可以更有幫助 |
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其實這部分在上個會期的總諮詢也有跟院長討論過 |
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行政院後來的書面答覆裡面也告訴我們說這部分會責成衛福部這邊來提供各種縮帖各類的這些健檢的主管機關來應用包括相關裡面重要的如何能夠讓國人的同意意願可以更高各類的同意書能夠整合在一起我們知道此時其事有它的困難度 |
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讓這些大型的健診資料能夠匯整起來是有它的困難度也有很大的挑戰所以這邊先請教院長三個部分一個就是目前有沒有相關的進度可以讓國人做參考第二個部分就是這些跨部化的溝通跟整合不管是執行單位的這些相關的需求 場合 |
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還有這個資料的格式同意書的內容是不是都透過在不同的這個相關的要求之下能夠有很好的成果出現那最後就是有關於這個國人健檢資料上傳應用尤其是同意書這部分是不是已經有在執行當中那就麻煩好 謝謝委員賴總統一直希望政府 |
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不僅在健康台灣上促進國人健康能夠多所進展也希望我們秉持開放政府資料治理的這個工作上也能有所突破重點很重要一點就是我們整個健康的資訊這些資訊如何被善加的利用所以現在我們除了希望說民眾就醫健康一些檢查的一個數據他能夠把它數位化完全的數位化再加上他生理或是其他的這個就診的健康數據 |
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能夠經過數位化之後合併成為一個加一的健康的大平台那當中當然需要 |
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同意 需要這個授權同意當事人必須授權同意他才能夠被充分的保障個人的隱私同時希望能夠將數位工具的開發商以及這個醫療的服務單位能夠整合在一起那這個數據如果這樣進度數位化而且很充分之後我想這個是國家重要的資產國家重要的資產以後我們很多的研究分析進展都在從裡面可以得到很多重要的寶貴的資訊 |
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當然他其中有幾個執行上的細節剛剛委員所提出的那三項的準備工作現在到底進行的程度如何我請部長來做說明跟委員報告這個如同委員所提到這個資料的整合是最重要才能夠有後面的運用所以我們的整合分了兩段一段是在衛福部所主管的各個單位裡面的資料整合包含除了健保的資料之外國健署的健檢資料 |
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我們CDC疾管署的疫苗接種資料這個我們都整合好了通通整合在每一個人的民眾的健康存摺裡面都有了另外就是在衛福部以外的政府單位最多的就是勞工健檢資料所以剛剛委員一直在垂詢的就是勞工健檢資料可不可以整合進來我們已經透過國健署 |
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做了一個操作手冊也跟很多勞動部的相關單位進行很多協商開始去散播這個做法所以到目前為止已經可以進行了已經有15萬筆的資料就是勞工健檢的資料也整合進來所以整合進來之後民眾可以從健康存摺My Health Bank看到自己的所有資料 |
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另外會匯到這個嘉義大平台剛剛院長所提到的這個嘉義大平台就可以讓就醫的時候醫師很清楚的掌握所有的包含你的醫療的利用資料跟健康檢查的資料再來一步就是施部門的就是你自己自費 |
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去做的這些健檢資料怎麼樣再上傳進來我們現在是在我們健康存摺可以開通你自己可以上傳另外我們也鼓勵醫療機構協助民眾把這個資料能夠上傳這是我們下一步希望做的這樣的話所有的 |
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資料就可以完全的整合成為一個叫做Personalized Health Record個人化的健康紀錄通通整合在一起的未來的不論是個人就醫的時候資訊更完整同時大的資料庫還可以提供更多的研究或者是研發的需要 |
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是 謝謝所以謝謝剛剛院長跟部長的說明至少已經有15萬筆的勞工資料已經進入到這個大平台裡面可以再持續的再增加所以這一部分其實我們也希望有三點的建議包括說在加強的部分行政院能不能夠有在跟跨部會的整合溝通看起來是有在進行 |
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這個是不是需要請院長還要指定政委來負責設定KPI這部分再請院長再來採視是 除了衛務部 勞動部我想速發部在技術上也要全力的來協助那目前我們開過幾次會我們是請陳時中政委來負責整個資訊公開以及整合的過程 |
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好 謝謝因為剛剛部長有提到其實在醫院端跟單位端的宣導跟推動遣署同意書都還希望能夠有更好的成果出來醫院端所管轄的醫院就有包括衛福部、教育部、國防部跟退福會我相信這部分的 |
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要求相對是不是太困難可是如果針對單位端有關於主管機關在勞動部剛剛事實上我們辦公室也跟洪部長做了幾次的討論謝謝洪部長的非常支持交易部、國防部跟人事總署相關的這些同仁們是不是能夠也鼓勵把這些資料都能夠上傳進來這個我們很期待未來的成果可以更豐收 |
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剛剛也提到建立鼓勵相關的機制來促進民間我們知道民間有很多大型的健診機構如果透過大型的健診機構他們可以一整批的資料能夠匯進來的話相信對於未來 |
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應用在國民健康、國人健康的照護上面有更大的幫助所以這三部分就希望能夠有來持續的執行我相信這些大的資料庫可以提供未來在醫療跟公衛生預防使用上扮演一個很重要的角色所以麻煩政院跟這個部裡面還有相關的部門都能夠持續的來把這個事情做好這是有關於第一個想要追尋 |
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院長的地方我們會加快速度來把它整合出來那第二個主題就是有關你所得稅見證扣除的部分那這部分我們可以麻煩財政部莊部長一起來討論 |
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其實針對所得稅增累健診扣除額的修法我們也提了一個版本特別是希望能夠提供國人每一年有1萬元以內的健診扣除額上個會期我們也提出來討論過後來財政部也回覆了我們的書面資料有三點的考量 |
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那個時候認為不適合急著來執行包括說健診費用如果跟治療會具有因果關係的話事實上它可以列舉扣除當作醫療費的一部分第二個部分就是免稅 |
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這個民眾其實總統也告訴我們有53%的民眾其實是免稅的所以這部分如果增加扣除我對他們的實質幫助其實是很有限的那第三個是總部長那個時候是認為說如果要鼓勵民眾來做健康檢查的話可以採用非租稅的措施意思就是說可以利用這個公費的健檢 |
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來提高大家民眾對於自我健康的照顧的需求可是我們也知道其實依照統計癌症發生或者其他相關的疾病都有年輕化的趨勢這個是政府要推動公會篩檢 |
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為什麼要擴大謝謝檢證人這邊真的多了40億的經費讓我們做篩檢有更好的成績可是我們也了解其實還是有一些困難度比如說目前做的五大篩檢裡面包括大腸癌、乳癌、子宮頸癌、口腔癌隨著這一次的擴充都有明顯的上升可是肺癌其實目前是國人最重要的癌病在做篩檢的時候它有兩大要求 |
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一個就是他有家族史另外就是他需要抽菸的習慣要配合這個戒菸的措施可是事實上這還是只是佔了少部分做這項篩檢他的費用他每一次可能單價就要6000元所以我們也了解肺癌並不是只有這個相關風險的族群才會罹患肺癌所以尤其是肺腺癌這部分所以如果我們要鼓勵更多的國人 |
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在實證醫學的基礎之下有更多的民眾希望也有需要的話那是不是能夠從這個角度來把相關的類型扣除而可以做適度的這些改變所以有這三個重要的原因之下我們在利用今天的機會也麻煩院長或者是部長這邊也能夠來支持這樣的訴求部長 院長 |
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對委員有關的健康檢查的費用要納在所得稅裡面的扣除額就如同剛剛委員所講的因為放進去如果它跟後續醫療有關聯的話事實上就可以納到醫療費用裡面而且沒有上限的限制可以達到這樣的一個目的另外一個就是我們為了要鼓勵更多的民眾來做健檢然後如果有問題可以提早發現問題提早治療事實上是好的 |
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可是我們知道有44%的目前來說有302萬戶他事實上目前來說他就不需要再繳所得稅所以我們給這方面的扣除對他來說實際的利益是不大的所以我們會認為以其他的方式來鼓勵他來做這方面的見解其實是更有效益的 |
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是 不過部長也提醒一下就是今年8月在財政委員會審查的時候處理長照扣除提高的同時其實這個是有比較多的黨派的委員都有共識希望能夠針對這個議題要麻煩財政部這邊再做考量所以也希望能夠透過大家共同的努力一起來針對這個議題也請院長能不能夠 |
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給我們多一些的支持好 謝謝這個我們來設立一個機制如果鼓勵國人提早接受健康檢查我們往這個方向來講能夠有實質的幫助我請部裡面的人來往這個方向來做規劃 來做設想 謝謝好 謝謝莊部長 |
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再過來是設立兒童專責機構因為時間很有限我們也知道設立兒童專責機構非常非常的重要尤其在燒紙化的階段裡面事實上這也是一個總統重要的一個政見之一所以當初今年衛福部也說一定要成立兒童專責機構可是我們看到目前相關的計畫裡面 |
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對少子化計畫2.0裡面事實上並沒有提到這個機構的設立不知道目前有沒有相關的進度可以讓大家更能夠公務員報告我們是有我們認為兒少必須他的權益健康都要受到更多的保障而且兒少離不開家庭我們在做這方面的一個構想 |
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部長能夠說明一下跟委員報告我們已經積極的在行政院的指導下在整合從兒童的早期的發展福利 保護到健康政策的擬定正在做一個整合內部上我們大概已經有一個 |
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復案那麼現在正在做最後的重整之後我們會呈報行政院盡快的來成立這個兒童的專責機構好 大家都非常期待這個具體的施政的規劃好那最後一項就是有關於這個提高補充保費的部分因為時間的關係我相信部長會很努力那我們也期待有相關的這個 |
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好 謝謝王振興委員 子昀謝謝卓院長 相關部會所長貝選謝謝我們接下來是 |
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張家俊委員質詢之後我們會休息十分鐘十分鐘之後我們會請楊瓊英委員來質詢我們接下來請張家俊委員質詢謝謝院長我想請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢 |
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張委員好院長好這次非洲豬瘟疫情震驚全國台灣7年的防疫戰線被突破對於行政團隊第一時間果斷地下達禁運、禁載、禁廚餘等措施本席給予高度的肯定當然防疫勢同作戰我們不能只滿足於戰術層面上的迅速應變 |
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更需要戰略層面上的去面對長期的缺陷這一次的危機爆發是敲響了我們邊境管理跟廚餘去化問題上的警鐘那我們也不能只做事後的管制希望說要下決心根治這個破口確保台灣養豬產業的永續安全本席必須明確的向院長說 |
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非洲豬瘟是一個非常毒的病毒豬只要染上了它就是必死無疑它沒有一線機會而且它的傳染力非常的強一定是 |
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就是用台語講就是絕對是沒有一線希望說他有機會生存甚至他目前為止也沒有相關的疫苗所以一旦爆發台灣的整個養豬產業很多豬農他奮鬥了一輩子 |
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他奮鬥的一輩子的這些心血甚至一代人兩代人三代人的心血是一夕之間全部都化為烏有所以這件事情是非常嚴重的所以本席在這裡要建議院長還有部長一定要全面禁止出於養豬為什麼我要這樣說呢我想這個院長可能已經知道說 |
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全台灣的500多萬頭豬裡面只有8%是處於養豬院長您肩負整個台灣我們台灣養豬產業包括說你批發商 市場商然後還有這些餐飲業者整個產業鏈 |
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假設爆發打擊的是將近2000億的這個產業要為了這8%來犧牲這2000億的產業嗎好 三項跟委員報告 第一個我很感謝陳俊基部長在10月21號的傍晚我們獲知這個消息之後幾乎他是在當天晚上就馬上跟我提出了整個部長跟農業部同仁要求的剛剛委員說的那三項 三個禁 只使用 |
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進展 進運 進用飼料所以農業部的反應是相當快第一個感謝第二個是感謝所有的產業界的朋友跟養豬的豬農還有所有的相關一級生產鏈的所有的從業人員他們也在那個時候開始就馬上 |
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呼應也配合整個政府的政策我們才能在第一道時間當中強力的管控那第二個雖然我們只有大概8%8點多的養豬戶跟豬隻是用這個飼料在飼養豬隻但還是有40幾萬在飼養這個豬隻但是還是有40幾萬戶 |
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四十幾萬頭我們現在如果要全部停下來的話我必須第一個廚餘的去化第一個想到像昨天我們在台中去前幾天的樣子大家看了就非常擔心現在慢慢的好我們先把廚餘的去化問題是掩埋是焚燒是飼料化或是做生殖能把它做一個系列的輔導轉型 |
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這個本席同意但是我想要呼籲院長的是廚餘去化跟非洲豬瘟的防疫應該切割來看非洲豬瘟你只要保證說他暫時不要說暫時希望永久全面不要吃廚餘的話他在台灣爆發的機會就減少到真的是最低了 |
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那所以如果你把它切割來看我知道廚餘去化的問題要處理非常的困難 |
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不是那麼容易但你不能把處理廚餘去化的問題加諸在這些豬農身上你不能把這個整個壓力壓在他身上因為假設你繼續不圍堵全面禁止廚餘養豬的話這個破口是隨時會發生的那廚餘去化變成是綁架整個養豬產業要繼續吃廚餘 |
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不會 我們不會把它轉嫁給養豬農身上第一個 現在我們第一階段是防治 清消把這個疫情控制住第二個階段我們希望對產業界有一些實際上的補助讓他們的生活生計不發生這個我有發文給農業部農業部也從善如流都有今天也都公告出來這個我們都予以肯定但是在此同時我們想要是這廚餘的去化我們已經在開始做規劃 |
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處理到這些之後如果把它轉換轉換有一個過程不然這些現在用廚餘在養豬的這些豬隻他這15天他這15天可以吃飼料為什麼他未來不能吃飼料我們也會做飼料的一些津貼補助給他價差的津貼但是能不能長期多少時間這麼做我們還要跟協會大家來做溝通陳志的呼籲院長 |
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這件事情我為了今天要總諮詢我去拜訪了非常多的豬農他們都沒有跟我說補助說什麼他們只跟我說一定要禁止廚餘養豬他說假設不禁止的話我們所有的基業所有的這些豬隻都可能一夕之間覆滅那這個影響就大囉因為您記得我不曉得您記不記得口蹄疫爆發的時候口蹄疫爆發的時候那整個 |
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產值是1700億的打擊而且光股市都跌了好多天所以不要想說這影響的只是豬農他的生計這影響的是整個台灣每一個人所以我希望院長說是不是可以責成農業部 |
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再繼續延期再繼續延期禁止廚餘養豬然後讓環境部好好的因為我也做了一些資料包括說雲林縣他現在是把它做成雲蓋肥做成肥料然後日本是把它做成飼料液態飼料甚至我也攝取了一下說其實在台中在桃園都有升值能源的這個能源廠發電廠 |
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那其實像台中來說他一期開發他二期沒辦法開發是因為廚餘量不足耶 |
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我是不是可以跟委員報告一下其實廚藝網租原則是禁止的除非說它的廚藝在利用本身符合相關的規定90度C一個小時的蒸煮這個就是問題所在我先跟你說完你跟我說的是科學我跟你講的是人性我知道你知道嗎 科學上它是符合的我也認同您的專業科學上它高溫蒸煮一個小時它就可以滅菌 |
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但是你敢跟我保證說每一個人都會高溫蒸煮一個小時嗎是不是可以養廚餘是由地方政府來決定的第一個說明那你如果中央帶頭禁止地方政府一定要跟進嘛對 我們原則禁止但是如果符合相關規定由地方政府如果地方政府同意的話而且經過檢核再利用 |
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所以您現在是在告訴我說您從今天開始會繼續禁止廚餘養豬嗎我跟你講就是說我們現在禁止以後有三大前提如果達到的話我們才會去考慮繼續去使用第一個部分就是說我們會全面的去查場針對廚餘的設備它的養豬規模是不是匹配這第一個 |
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第二個就是說所有的珍珠設備一定是要去落實它的一個即時的健康我現在跟你討論的就不是這些設備問題也不是這些科學問題我現在在告訴你的是人性假設如果你有一個堅持的你先讓我講完假設會選擇用廚餘養豬的就這8%的都是成本考量 |
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他在成本考量之下你讓他要耗油耗電或者是耗瓦斯煮一個小時你覺得他既然都是為了要降低成本才選擇廚餘養豬你覺得他會耗這一個小時嗎你還要在那邊攪拌喔所以我們要百分之百的監控就是用即時的監控的方式才能夠去落實這就是 等於是你 |
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撩很多天的然後為了那8%造成了其他92%的恐慌你要知道現在的豬農有多害怕我想他們怕死了對 國土委員報告除以養豬我們的縣市我們也在跟他溝通排名第一的是新北 |
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第二個屏東再來就是新竹台中我現在就問你嘛這麼多縣市加起來也是只有8%你為了這8%你要犧牲兩千億產值的產業我沒有犧牲我用三大前提我才會開放第一個就是說整個曾祖設備我們盤查過是安全的所以你目前還是會繼續禁止的是嗎我說 |
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符合這個三個條件我只講了兩個條件第三個條件就是法令要完備以後我們才會去考慮說重新去開放因為經過我們政府的部分我先有你這一句話就是你會持續禁止到我會在三個前提達到的時候我們才會去考慮真的 我真希望說 |
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真的要全面禁止因為你一個破口之後全台灣的養豬業都是覆滅了而且我相信廚餘去化是環境部的問題為什麼要農業部來幫忙背這個鍋呢我們一直輔導廚餘的轉型是不是我現在想要問的是部長請問一個廚餘去化廠大概要多少錢 |
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不一定 像雲林的話事實上是也謝謝他六親他支援雲林縣政府但是像台中的話他其實他的垃圾都處理不行了所以他的廚餘更不行所以不是每個縣市像雲林這樣對於垃圾或廚餘處理都那麼好我現在的意思是說你們假設每個縣市都要補貼他一座這個廚餘去化廠大概要多少錢 |
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包委員因為這種屬於垃圾處理真的是地方事務所以每個縣市不大一樣那個是地方要做的大概要一億多五億嗎一億多所以假設一億多你每個縣市你都平均補助他一億多或者是假設抓兩億你每個縣市補助他兩億剩下不足的他們去自籌看他們的量能是多大可能有的比較多有的比較少你要想說假設你每個縣市補助他兩億 |
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那也是30億以內你就有辦法解決的問題結果你要讓這2000億的產值的產業去為你那20多億就可以解決的問題去綁在一起這是不合理的那我最後再跟院長說明假設真的不信這個非洲豬瘟因為沒有全面禁止出於養豬而爆發了誰要負責 |
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有人可以負責得起嗎就算大家都下台了這些產業也都回不來了所以是沒有人擔得起這個責任的所以我也很希望院長你一定要把握這個原則就是至少我們把這個破口先圍堵起來全面禁止儲育養豬之後我們來處理廚餘去化的問題把它分開來處理我覺得是可行的 |
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在案發到現在前面這15天當中當然都是禁止的那未來剛剛部長有提到他有三個前提那三個前提要同時達到那也相當需要一段時間我們要全面的監控在沒有達到這個三個前提同時的時候我們是不會在冒然的情況之下又讓整個豬農跟豬隻陷入到廚餘養豬大家的疑慮當中 |
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但是同時在這個時間我們對於各方的意見跟好的做法比方說我們就非常的雲林那麼多的養豬雲林可以不必因為有南亞一個民間的企業他用他的身子來協助那各縣市或是公家的一些單位也可以朝這個方向來跟豬農來做合作那這樣我們廚餘去化第一個就會減少一大半了現在我們再利用的廚餘其實量也不少有1600多公噸再利用化的 |
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再另外這個對家戶的廚餘已經夠了只是我們加上事業的廚餘在700多公噸的話他會超過那我們現在整個來規劃讓他更有安全的管控在量可以處置底下但這一點點時間那這一點時間之內我們除了禁止之外如果真的必須管開放也必須符合這三個條件那這個部分都是在未來飼料化也好能源化也好做一個前置的動作 |
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甚至我也檢查了這個國際的例子例如新加坡他們的處理是先把廚餘變成液態漿然後把廚餘跟污水與污泥在同一個廠區消化發電他今年開始運營所以等於是污水廠跟垃圾處理一體化所以這個方面的經驗我想新加坡也是我們可以借鏡的今天早上在院內也有提到把廚餘的處理跟污水的處理把它 |
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合為一體就地點的選擇可以就近 |
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它造成的地方上的反彈可能會小一點而且它對於馬上處理整個在設備上的使用跟安全的考慮也比較周延早上我們已經有在做這樣的考量這一點也要拜託院長跟部長那另外我最後提一個點就是針對這個廚餘養豬的點你要想說假設真的有繼續廚餘養豬變成了破口結果這些豬都死光了 |
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你廚餘問題也是要處理啊所以他並不是說你要用養豬來去化廚餘你知道嗎你如果不把這養豬產業保護好這些豬死光了你廚餘一樣要處理所以到時候假設這2000億都賠了你最後還是要花這30億來處理廚餘 過去的政策跟技術可能到了某一個瓶頸那現在我們如果有新的技術包括飼料化 包括未來的能源化等等我們可以在這個 |
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政策上做現在的思考給一點這個轉換的時間但是在這個轉換的空間時間當中要禁止全面禁止廚餘養豬那另外我也想提就是說其實雲林縣除了把它變成肥料之外 |
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我們在111年的時候率先全國推動家用的廚餘機補助計畫所以這個家用的廚餘機會降低你廚餘的量讓你後端處理不用那麼的累那麼的多包括那一年補助了2166戶 |
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那這項政策讓民眾是很有感的因為每年可以從源頭減少475萬噸的廚餘所以這對於我們雲林縣後續再把它變成雲蓋肥它是省時省力而且這個廚餘機其實環境部是可以補助的呀 |
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包委員很多縣市自己都有在補助了是就因地制宜因為各個縣市它有各個縣市的狀況那我們還是鼓勵這種所謂的多元循環經濟的方式那這種屬於源頭減量的方式我們鼓勵地方可以主動來做是那所以我再一次確認就是院長會把廚餘去化跟非洲豬瘟這兩件事情分開並行的去處理是嗎 |
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我們在處理這次非洲豬瘡防治的過程當中發現到廚餘是大家憂慮的問題所以我們同時在進行一方面防治一方面對於廚餘未來的輔導轉型我們同時在進行好 謝謝謝謝院長也謝謝兩位部長我想未來還要讓你們就是多多費心把這件事情當作真的是作戰一樣去保護這些豬農然後保護這個產業我也幫你們加油謝謝 |
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謝謝那另外呢我想要就是詢問院長的事其實少子化我想您可能對於少子化這個議題常常也有人向您提起那我也知道說這個衛福部他已經有宣布說11月 |
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1號開始會針對不孕症試管嬰兒的補助3.0要實施然後首次的療程是15萬然後第二次第三次是10萬然後之後每次是6萬最多是可以申請6次 |
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那對於這一點本席是相當支持因為我本席也是高齡所以也有做過試管那我也知道說要付出的成本也是相當的高那我們現在都是晚婚晚育很多鄉親其實是非常非常需要這一筆補助的 |
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那所以呢我也希望說不要把它單純看作是醫療費用的補助更要把它看到說它是一個社會投資它背後的意義是遠大於這個醫療補助那針對這個國內醫學院的研究他說政府每投入一塊錢到不孕症的治療補助上平均可以回收 稅收回報是5.68元 |
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所以它其實是一個可以正向帶來稅收未來就你每生一個人未來可以帶來的稅收的這個正面的所以是會回收的投資請問院長認同嗎只要有助於解決少子化少子女化的問題任何的投資政府都應該 |
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很願意而且大力的來支持這個是對國力未來的維繫是重要的所以不需要太考慮他那個投資的報酬率的成本謝謝院長那當然本席還有一些問題想要請教現行上限為每胎六次那根據臨床經驗臨床的資料顯示 |
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這個40歲以上的女性平均要嘗試6到8次才有可能會成功懷孕這一點我想要知道說這個針對現在40歲以上的女性40歲以下的是補助6次嗎40歲以上的是補助幾次 您自己說 |
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三次對不對您覺得這合理嗎應該是年紀越大越難懷孕應該是要補助多吃一點這應該有他的醫學的跟委員報告我們過去有統計的資料就是說如果是在40歲以下那麼平均大概5次左右可以有70%的成功受孕機會 |
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但是一旦超過40歲以後呢他人工生殖成功的機會就大幅的跌落到三成左右而已是 那你還不多補助他一點然後又考慮到母嬰的健康了解說這個雖然是這個人工生殖可是還是得考慮到母嬰的健康因為本席本席就是10歲以上生的呀對對對我就很難理解說怎麼會 |
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年紀越大其實是越難生才對你怎麼會年紀越大你補助他越少次呢你覺得這合理嗎因為我們還是希望即使是做人工生殖也應該在試孕的年齡對於母親跟胎兒都是比較好的試孕年齡您告訴我是幾歲 |
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我們一般如果你超過到40歲以上我們都會開始歸到高尼程度了所以我們還是鼓勵在40歲以前盡量去完成部長你這樣子無助於少子化你知道嗎你要萌生就要繼續生我們從過去的統計確實也是考量到他的成功率跟他的健康的問題說實在假設這個媽媽不健康你覺得醫生敢幫他做嗎 |
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所以你不應該用政策去限制他我覺得如果假設40歲以下是6次40歲以上也至少要是6次才對啊否則你這樣是歧視耶報告委員 這個可能是醫學的根據我是當然是外行不過我認為我們要鼓勵大家早生啊要早生但是你不能說40歲以後我就放棄你你能生就生 不能生就算了是這樣嗎 |
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我們還是有一個鼓勵的方向類似怎麼樣 你生三次你試試看我有一個朋友今年53歲他才生他第一胎他也很健康啊 |
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你不能說他50歲他就不能生小孩跟委員報告因為這整個補助的方案他其實是有個政策的引導所以我們的鼓勵我現在是跟部長講你這樣想太狹隘了啦搞不好40歲以上才是我們生產的主力你知道為什麼嗎因為他經濟已經獨立了他有時間有經濟支持他才有辦法去好好生小孩那你 |
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等於是國家你竟然要鼓勵生小孩因為你的目標是要怎麼樣克服少子化嗎你多一個是一個你怎麼會去限制說你只能三次你40歲以上就可以六次我看部長這樣我們跟這個先進的醫學的知識我們再去做接軌而且跟鄰近國家日本韓國這種同樣要面臨少子化國家的問題我們也跟他再做一些討論學習也許他們的經驗可以告訴我們我們可以從一個現在剛委員所說的鼓勵更多人 |
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在40歲以後還願意的人我們可以從這個方向來做一些思考謝謝委員謝謝院長另外本席再提一兩個意見針對不孕症的部分因為其實這些不孕症的診所大多都集中在台北 台中 高雄 |
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大都市所以呢像雲林啊嘉義啊甚至花東等地的夫妻假設他要接受這個治療他每一次療程都需要長途往返那有沒有可能針對偏鄉有交通補助呢然後避免這個城鄉差距變成隱性的一個門檻 |
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我們來盡量的鼓勵看看讓每個縣市也都能夠有合適的人工生殖機構這樣會遠比用交通補助來得更好因為畢竟追蹤是蠻頻繁的這個是一個漫長的路人工生殖懷孕的過程是一個漫長的路還是盡量能夠 |
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就地會比較好我們來檢討看看什麼樣的鼓勵措施讓每一個地方的民眾都能夠或者是你可以有那種行動的醫療車或有定期去巡迴也可以啊可是他們的這個設備聽說都非常的昂貴可能沒有辦法這樣移動所以這一點可能要拜託部長好好的研議一下因為很深的我們都要盡量鼓勵他因為每一個都是我們的 |
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現在台灣是生不如死去年台灣的新生兒人數只有13.4萬人只有13.4萬人比死亡人數少創下歷史的新低所以如此低迷的這個生育數據就是希望說不只要鼓勵生 |
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還要養得起所以我在這裡也要拜託院長啦就是說現在未送托育的這個家庭育兒補貼是多少您知道嗎在家庭是帶的嗎 |
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每個月5000然後第二胎每個月6000其實上一次中央調整育兒津貼也是2022年的8月了到現在已經三年都沒有調整了這三年來每年的CPI指數每年都提高2-3% |
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我們裡面我們法定喔像老農今天是四年要調整一次啊要就是檢討一次那可不可以請院長指示說是不是能夠去檢視一下我們現在的育兒津貼符不符合現在的CPI指數因為這個自帶的我們跟這個公托公 |
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有的部分都要連結在一起來談才不會失衡那這個要比較大一個整體性的考量是 所以真的希望建議院長可以建立一個CPI的這個聯動機制就是物價年漲幅達門檻他可以自動調整的話這樣子對於這些新手父母 |
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他除了生之外他也比較敢養至少這個補貼對很多家庭是非常非常的重要所以我們不只要補貼試管更要能夠調高育兒津貼提升他們想要生育的誘因跟動力好不好 拜託院長 |
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好的 謝謝 我們來了解檢討未來往一個更實際協助的方向來做思考好 謝謝我是不是接下來可以問一下交通部部長有關於雲林高鐵西站交通部長 |
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那其實我想要講的是上一次我們有討論過雲林高鐵西側開發的進度那我可以請問一下部長目前進度為何嗎跟委員報告我們在9月9號已經公告了在9月11號有辦過招商的說明會然後我們11月19號交通部本身的招商說明會也會再辦一次希望能夠引進更多的廠商可以來參與這個開發案 |
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那我們預計在這個1月9號明年的1月9號我們大概就會來做這個開標的動作所以明年1月9號我們就可以大致上知道說整個高鐵西側6公頃的這個土地他未來的走向嗎如果是投標的狀況夠踴躍然後沒有哪個標沒有人標的話基本上那個大致的方向我們大概就會知道 |
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我也要謝謝部長跟院長這就是我上一次總質詢的時候問的那非常感謝部長真的很用心持續的在推動他的這個進程而且真的在明年1月就可以看到說他的招商結果 |
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那因為我們雲林高鐵站附近這一塊是最精華的土地我們當然希望說它可以開發起來變成我們的新門面可以變成一個黃金的新門面帶動我們整個雲林縣的生活品質甚至 |
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很多好朋友來到雲林他會說好像就是一個很現代化的城市所以我們也希望說在這個過程當中可以拜託部長多多幫我們鼓吹一些好的廠商盡量來投標然後盡量可以把好的產業或者是廠商帶到我們雲林來潛在的廠商我們都會探尋 |
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希望能夠找更多的廠商當然也希望說既然這個六公頃要開發那高鐵西側這個門未來可能要搭配去打開否則他只有東側有門西側沒有門以後未來要過去這個假設是一個商圈好了沒有辦法過去啊 |
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我們這個部分我們就一併來考量都是看他未來開發的方向跟狀況那未來的出口我們也會來做調整這一點可能要拜託院長部長因為他西側現在是沒有空間的假設真的要跟未來的商業區連結的話我們目前的高鐵站勢必是要適度程度的擴大然後可能 |
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也希望說因為我們現在的這個高鐵站是一個很漂亮的高鐵站它是如果我沒記錯的話是姚仁喜建築師所設計的我們也希望說不要只是為了擴大然後把它變醜了希望它的設計可以一貫的承襲這樣子的風格然後把它擴張出去好 謝謝委員對地方發展跟交通建設的建議您的建議我請交通部要非常重視把它納進未來的整體考量 |
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謝謝院長 謝謝部長我們一起加油謝謝委員謝謝張家俊委員質詢謝謝卓院長 相關部會首長 貝馨謝謝我們現在休息十分鐘十分鐘之後請楊瓊英委員質詢先來休息 |
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我們現在繼續開會接下來請楊瓊英委員質詢審發會委員請準備 |
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親愛的院會主席韓院長卓院長所領軍的行政院團隊以及新聞界的朋友我們旁聽心的好朋友楊瓊怡發言主席首先邀請卓院長再請卓院長備詢 |
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我們首先來探討身體健康的議題我們看到台灣成為東亞第一個提供男性完整的接種兩劑的HPV疫苗的接種國家本席非常的感謝因為本席長期來推動國中男生納入HPV疫苗施打的政策 |
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终于在今年的九月份我们正式来上路那我要谢谢行政院以及卫护部我们在这么努力当中从国中女生开始来打当时我们Promise说如果女生国中女生打了八成我们就来讨论男性的这个国中男生因为不分性别的问题一定要健康 |
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所以我们终于上路了也成为亚洲的第一个提供完整两季男生非常的感谢但是我们看到政策下来的时候我们要怎么样去落实卫务部在你们的国建署有一个KPI指标也就是要能够达到八成那么我们预估是不是可以达到 |
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還有第二個院長如果各縣市22個縣市他的施打的效率不一那我們的政府要怎麼樣去協助他因為這個少子化問題對於我們的孩子的健康我們一定要全力去為首而且我們已經達成成功所以本席接下來跟討論的就是說我們要怎麼樣去協助讓他們能夠達到這個KPI八成來請做說明執行的問題先請說明 |
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謝謝委員非常關心這確實跟孩子的健康很有關係那個HPV我們過去都是認為這個疫苗跟子宮頸癌本席非常的了解所以請針對本席的提問但是對於這個男生打這個你的目標是不是還是一樣八成要達到會 我們的目標是一樣第二個 各縣市的樣態不一樣的時候你要怎麼去協助怎麼去跟隨跟委員報 因為這今年第一年開始那過去大家的觀念 |
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認為這個是子宮頸癌相關不知道說其實跟頭頸癌是相關的男性的部分所以我們現在 |
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正在大量的去這個宣導很重要第一年這個施打率當然比較沒有那麼快上來不像我們這個女生打的已經是很高了但是我們目標會一樣目標我們務必要達到這個約定的八成這是第一項第二個 各縣市它的這個施打率不一的時候我拜託行政院 |
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你一定要協助各縣市 除了宣導之外要怎麼樣去跟隨 好不好我們好好地守護我們的孩子 謝謝第二個 股災的這個問題 股值疏鬆的問題所以本期要告訴你一個數字 台灣寬寬部寬寬股 股值的部分是亞洲第一名 |
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不希望看到這樣子的指標但是我們看到80%股部這個患者他是沒有辦法獨居40%他是永久會殘廢 殘障那在這樣的情況之下我們又看到寬布股則他每一年他每一年需要的費用要多少 14.2萬本席幫你算出來了 |
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我們在看到因為寬布骨折五年後死亡的院長很緊張42% |
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42%因為他沒有辦法運動之後經過5年死亡42%42%就是我們為國的統計值數字部長一直一直一直在點頭所以院長本席有一個請求也就是我們的總統他也說他針對於台灣的這個健康的目標是要降低國人不健康的餘命對不對是所以針對於我們長子長者的骨質疏鬆的篩檢 |
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如此可以降低國人不健康餘命的這個部分本席認為在我們長子的骨質疏鬆的篩檢這是非常重要的一個指標才能夠達到總統所說的這個目標所以本席具體要求 |
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我們應該要有政策的支持也就是60歲以上的長者我們來做骨質疏鬆的篩檢能夠提高整個健康風險的預警機制院長您來答應好不好我們來做好不好院長 請問院長數字本席已經告訴院長很清楚了 |
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我自己都還沒有做過這個篩檢那如果有需要的話我非常感謝卓院長你的誠實真的要做本期跟你的數字我看到你一直在看我的這個 |
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所以你也意識到這個嚴重性連院長你都還沒做過院長 連你都還沒做過你是不是去研議好不好我真的好不要再過對不對所以本期具體要求我們趕快去研議60歲以上我們趕快來研議讓他們可以骨質疏鬆的篩檢這個絕對是預警機制也才能夠達到總統的一個目標 |
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謝謝委員 我們嚴肅看待這個問題一旦這個發生問題行動不便之後對他生活都發生很大的障礙我覺得我們嚴肅來研究這個問題那你們大概研究多久會告訴我們呢因為我覺得這個對於總統的指標是非常重要的 |
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跟委員報告就是說現在在骨質疏鬆確實您關切的非常重要是我們的慢性病裡面第五大我們大家都知道高血壓 糖尿病 高血脂剛剛院長已經有指示您嚴肅的看待這個議題院長進促研議本期具體要求60歲以上我們政策支持 |
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政策支持 鼓勵大家來骨質疏鬆的檢測好嗎 院長本席現在告訴你是說預防重瘀治療 預警機制你要針對本席的回答院長都指示了 院長到現在還沒有篩檢過你應該先幫院長篩檢 |
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對不對 必要 必要院長謝謝你嚴肅的看待這個議題我希望盡快可以得到你的答案60歲以上我們全面來骨質疏鬆的一個篩檢 |
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這個方向上我們會這個來想那至於怎麼去執行部長應該有一個說明給我們我們做政策上來討論因為我們必須要政策支持才能夠全面的健康好嗎這個預警比什麼都還重要我嚴肅的要求也拜託盡快給本席答案這是第二個第三個男性的攝護腺癌三分鐘護一家不是護一生 |
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以前我們做子宮頸癌的時候我們一起跟蕭蔣小姐一起努力推動6分鐘護一生現在這個部分是3分鐘護一家所以本需要告訴院長一個數字2020年攝護腺癌增加了9858人是男性第三大的癌症更是發生率比的比例是增加第一強的癌症 |
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你要怎麼樣照顧國人你從源頭開始啊三分鐘護一個家不是護一個人而已所以我們看到女性的子宮頸我們從1995年開始我們開始來做我給院長報告這個成效我們的降低率七成 |
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我們開始篩檢我們降低了7成也省了多少我們的醫藥費用所以因此本席具體要求在這種情況之下 社務縣從2024年發生率已經超過子宮頸癌的發生率2025年死亡率更超過了死亡率更超過了子宮頸癌院長這麼嚴肅的一個數字告訴你沒有國人 |
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就什么都不是啦所以你的国人健康你务必要重视所以本席在这边具体要求因为总统先生讲了2030年癌症标准化的死亡率希望要降低三分之一对不对2030年那你要怎么做所以本席在具体要求你必须请问院长事务线的这个筛选三分钟可以护一个家庭 |
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政府你是不是盡速研議將攝護腺癌的一個篩檢列入我們國內第六癌的篩檢這個絕對可以幫助很多很多的家庭院長我拜託你好不好我們一定要讓國人健康我們朝共同這個方向來做共同這個方向來做你是答應的癌症有的是會提前發現那我們就研究他的治療的狀況有的癌症是 |
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到末期才會發現那我們就要讓大家能夠提前來整治出來因為我們現在陸續都在做我就要發覺我們如果以80個人大概都有一二十個 |
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初期發現他可以根治可以節省很多的醫療費用所以這個務必要做院長 我們一起來做好不好請部長一併做一個這樣的規劃跟委員報告這個攝護腺癌會隨著高齡化盛行率會越來越高但是這個攝護腺癌的篩檢到目前各國我看起來還沒有很明確因為還有一些爭議譬如說您提到的那個就是抽血檢驗PSA |
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部長 我已經將數字告訴你從末端結果論告訴你我的國人已經嚴重到影響我只要三分鐘的篩檢我可以呼一個家庭我們為什麼不做 |
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我們會從整個學理上來看這個政策怎麼做我們來做好不好 院長我們會去評估怎麼做我剛剛的一句話就是有的癌症是早期可以篩檢出來的我們就研究怎麼把它治療好我們趕快來做好不好有的是癌症他是到末期才會被發現的我們趕快來做好不好攝護腺的部分我們也趕快來做作為國內第六癌的篩檢好不好來照顧所有全面的國人健康跟家庭整個攝護腺癌的防治我們會提出來 |
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是 社會性癌的防治你要提出來院長這一點我再次拜託你不用拜託 我們一起努力會 謝謝你接下來我們要談論我們的軍購問題軍購的特別預算1.3兆所以我在這邊首先要來跟院長來做討論 |
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這個怎麼討論呢?我們史上軍購據聞說我們要用一個特別預算1.3兆這幾天國防部也說要分七年預造的預算軍購特別預算這個軍購的特別預算如果由貴黨的委員在美國所說的是1.3兆 |
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所以包括像美方所謂的防空系統啊偵查的小型無人機啊火箭啊 飛彈啊還有我們要增加台灣暫時的生產跟儲存的量能力都有被提及 |
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本席所說的 貴黨的委員也有在美國這樣子發布所以預計要1.3兆 這是史上如果陳真這是史上最高的特別預算那過去不管藍或綠從來沒有提過那麼高的那但是我們看到這個數據如果屬實他會成為國防部呢四個四個特別預算的總和還剩超過所以在這邊本席首先要請教院長這一筆預算是會增加還是會減少 請教院長 |
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好 報告委員在本週稍早禮拜二也有委員詢問過同樣的問題那個時候我的說法是說到那個時刻為止甚至到這個時刻為止所有的案子都還沒有送到我這邊來那國防部 |
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本席 你是禮拜二現在是禮拜五請針對此時此刻來回答對 我說那個時候也好現在這個時候我都還沒有看到這個案的內容還沒看到這個案的內容可是本席在前幾天跟國防部長在討論部長有告訴我他們的條例已經送到你行政院了為什麼你們兩個不搭桿呢 |
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行政院要經過業務處去做很多的審核最後還沒送到你這邊這麼重大的條例都已經送到行政院來審查所以到底有沒有這一回事所以業務處跟政委是非常慎重在看內容所以還沒有到我這裡來非常慎重所以院長你知道這個事嗎 |
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我當然知道基於國家的國防的需求跟我們財政的規劃我們有必要強化我們自己的國防我當然知道按的內容我現在還支持國家的國力防衛這個我想全部大家都會支持但是我們不能被當成潘啊不能被當成提款機啊所以我們現在確定幾件事情確實是有這個事情那他的預算規模會超過兆元嗎請教院長 |
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現在我還沒有辦法答覆這個事情沒有辦法答覆這個事情 而且經過業務處調整經過政委審核之後的結論還沒有出來但是你剛剛告訴本席說你知道這個事情啊事情知道 內容現在我還沒有看到事情知道 內容不知道不知道 院長我要怎麼回答事情知道 內容不知道那你到底知道什麼啊 |
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跟委員報告就是說有這樣子的一個條例要提出來有這個條例要送到行政院現在正在由現在由政委在審議當中詳細的這些金額都還沒有做最後的確定因為這個是你主歧視嗎那會超過兆元嗎你貴黨的委員在美國講的是不是屬實啊 |
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我想個別委員的發言我們都會尊重但最後確確的數字最後確確的這些數字我想還是要等行政院真正最後經過審議 |
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那院會通過之後然後再送到這個貴院來審查所以院長我們再繼續討論也就是說因為國力大家一定會支持但是我們不能被當成叛難不能被當成是一個提款機嘛你認同這個論點吧當然我們認同所以繼續本期要跟你討論的你知道這回事內容還不是很清楚我也願意接受你的說法我說 |
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不會送來的任何案都會在業務處業務處整合之後會經過政委如果認為內容必須說明他會口頭來先跟我做報告如果沒有的話我們要經過政務會議政務會議來討論之後我可能會做修正再回去修正以後 |
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完成了才會送行政院會那現在本期都很清楚本期只是告訴你因為你貴為院長這個事情知識體大所以你不可能不知道剛才你說你知道這個事但在走流程內容還沒有來跟我做報告我們可以確認是有這回事那所以本期具體在問的也就是說會不會超過兆元你現在沒辦法給我回答 |
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所以我們繼續來討論因為我們對於這筆預算因為是貴黨的委員在美國正式在說的所以國人對於疑點重重到底是怎麼回事我想行政院有這個責任要告訴國人這非常清楚所以一旦你們決定了是有這回事一旦你們決定了一定要告訴國人因為特別預算的必要性跟細節他必須要能夠接受監督 |
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我們才不會成為人家的一個提款所以最重要的本期要看到一件事情也就是我們對美軍購到目前為止我們延遲交貨的情況之前你回答我們有委員說延遲了怎麼辦你說我們要去求償而且把所有的 |
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不當利益的損失要全部收回來但是國防部馬上打臉你所以軍購是不能球場的我說的是軍購當中的商業行為啊商購才可以球場可是本期要跟你討論可是因為我們到目前為止卡托研究所他說我們美方欠我們的武器的價格還沒有回來的總共有205億美元約是台幣的6,554億 |
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那彭斯前副總統他又說大概有200億美元對台的軍購他是延宕交貨的所以本席要請教院長你應該要給國人說明清楚那如果彭斯講的是對的那卡托研究所講的也是對的那我們國人會心想我繳了錢我拿不到這個武器那我們又不能球場 |
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請部長說明清楚我們怎麼辦呢 你的檢核機制怎麼樣你的交貨機制怎麼做呢這個是國人必須要了解的嘛委員能不能讓我說明一下第一個卡托研究所的統計是指美國對台的軍售案他知會國會的總金額205億美元嘛 |
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那個不是我們所謂延宕交付的金額那我們現在目前目前主要的武器裝備我們大略為25項25案有很多部分都已經陸續在交易請問 |
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包括延宕的有多少我跟您報告一下包括已經交互了像托斯2V M1A2海馬4標槍這些等等那延宕的這個部分大概跟委員報告一下現在就是AGM-154C飛彈還有F16V還有一個MK48的重型儀錬大概是這三項屬於延戰 |
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當時我們約定的是從2023年分為四年來交到2026年那到現在今年是2025年年底我們交了幾架一架都沒有請問院長明年是底線2026年F16V明年會不會回到台灣 |
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跟委員報告請教院長會不會我想詳細的部分還是容我跟委員做個報告部長你稍等我們講原則性的問題我現在就是回答一個原則你要跟我講到細節本席告訴你你也提到66架的F16V戰機底線我們當時約定的2026年現在2025年院長對不對現在我還沒看到半隻 |
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跟委員報告那請問一個原則我們跟他約定好的2026年我們台灣會不會看到F16V的戰機在台灣看到會不會會還是不會你告訴我會還是不會嘛部長說明 |
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戈恩委員報告目前在線組裝的總機數有50架正在在線組裝而且他們每日以兩班之20小時的方式加速戰機生產我們預划會在今年的年底以前會完成10架機的組裝然後會進行這個試飛取得試航認證之後我們在明年會獲得交機 |
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如果講說要獲得66架的全數獲得66架的交機確實具有挑戰性沒關係 本席請教因為到2026年 院長我們已經討論國內希望看到我們的國力是強的而不是被當成攀崖那2026年我們預計會有幾架會回來 |
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我現在沒有辦法明確的回復委員的問題是因為我只能說生產線在線組裝有50架同時在線組裝那組裝完成之後還要進行這些相關的測試請停止你的回答請停止你的回答 院長 |
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剛剛部長說明的非常的清楚有努力已經在進行之當中因為經過我們沒有辦法求償因為我們一直希望我們買的東西能夠回來所以再一次請教F16V我們明年可以提價回來剛剛部長已經答覆過了答覆過什麼 提價已經在努力當中已經在努力當中會不會回來沒有辦法告訴我所以我停止他的說所以請教院長啊 |
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明年會不會回來因為我們的約定就是明年公開討論我國國防軍機有幾架在這裡公開討論我覺得不是一個適合的方式這個是公開的訊息66架約定要在你這麼樣說法 |
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本來我對你是很尊敬的你怎麼會這樣說呢我們買的東西給國人報告了本來就要回來啊你怎麼會這樣子扭曲呢我希望委員能夠透過其他的方式來跟國防部詳細的問清楚很多人都會希望知道中華民國空軍到底有多少飛機這是不開的訊息耶 |
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這是公開的訊息耶 66架2026年我們是這個期間要交耶公開的訊息是我們向美國採購66架的飛機但是什麼時候有多少架在哪一天多少時間會進來我認為這個不應該開公開的討論 |
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院長 本席就問你2026年會嫁回來你跟國防部長都沒有辦法告訴我們我也希望你冷靜去思考然後跟國人報告這非常重要我覺得委員可以用其他的方式來瞭解這個不應該在這裡公開討論沒有辦法交的時候他不只是因為沒有辦法交 |
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不是你的戰績沒有辦法回來因為你的防衛布局 你的訓練騎乘你的戰力策略 都整個會延宕國人希望的是 我們花了這麼多錢希望能夠得到安心 得到安全因為他不是只有一個問題國防部一定會有所因應的有所因應 你就要告訴國人你為什麼問的都不知道呢所以院長 本期告訴你我們等不到武器 這是合作嗎還是院大頭 |
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我想跟委員報告哪有一個7月到2026年我們問你了今年2026年什麼時候要回來你說不能講跟委員報告我想美國政府已經成立了專案小組我們來監管這些運送的進度成立了專案小組 謝謝部長本席具體建議我們的院長我們一定要管控一定要有機制去解決 |
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30327.156 |
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一定要有機制去解決交不回來的我們什麼方法可以教這非常重要國人期待的是一個安全 |
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跟一個誠信那接下來本席要再請教我們的軍控是如此但是本席要跟你討論的是軍人家庭的問題立法院三讀通過行政院沒有提附議總統府公佈之他已經公佈了我們在日上看不到我問了組織長組織長說國防部本來就沒有編我問了組織長本席問組織長說誰給你指令啊 |
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你組織長本來就是要我們的預算你要怎麼樣去穩定的一個編列你有這個責任所以他告訴我說國防部沒有編我說那組織長你有沒有給院長建議請問院長組織長有沒有給你建議立法院三個通過總統府公告你都不聽總統的話你沒有編耶 |
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那是主席講告訴你不要編嗎有沒有這回事預算要穩定就是要堅持行政院編列預算立法院審議預算的這種憲法層級的法律問題所以依照憲法的規定 依照預算法當立法院大幅要求行政院增加稅數的時候必須 |
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跟徵詢行政院也要找出說來源說出的來源這個都沒有履行這樣的都沒有履行這樣的過程總統府公佈制你是行政院長公佈之後的法律有沒有人告訴你說不要編我認為這個違反預算法跟憲法所以我希望 |
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在總統公佈之後 我們才有資格能力提出大法官的解釋我希望在大法官解釋之後 依照解釋的結果大法官的解釋事項還沒有完成之後沒有結果 你就要依法行政耶如果違憲的時候 我就變成違憲行政院沒有賦予耶 你是行政院長耶賦予的結果你都知道 我再賦予一次也只能增加你的麻煩而已 |
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謝謝你的貼心啊但是你還是要依法行政啊你本身行政要不復議然後你說你復議的結果你知道所以你不復議你可以更加的違法嗎那每次行政院復議你們就罵行政院那現在這一屆又罵行政院不復議院長 本席李慶德來跟你討論我是跟你說的 對啊復議的結果你也知道你沒有復議你竟然不依法你這嚴重的違法 |
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總統公告之後有誰告訴你可以違法不要編嗎憲法告訴我有沒有告訴你憲法告訴我憲法告訴你你自己沒有復義大法你所謂的釋憲沒有結果你就要依法行政我們是民主法治國家釋憲應該要有結果不可以讓釋憲沒有結果大法官停擺釋憲結果還沒有出來你可以如此違法亂計嗎因為大法官的憲法訴訟法被修改到現在不要再欺負我們的軍人了啦 |
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對不對 你的預算如果照這個一年300億 你的軍購一次一點多照我們今年對國軍的待遇 我們今年對國軍的待遇已經增加了171億 我們哪裡欺負軍人 |
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171億哪裡欺負軍人我們是民主法治國家所以我們要依照憲法辦事你冷靜去思考立法院刪除通過行政院沒有附議總統府公布之你不編是誰告訴你不編憲法告訴你憲法告訴我必須等待憲法的釋憲欺負我們的軍人我沒有欺負今天已經編了171億了 |
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你們有沒有討論要編回來我們已經給你機會如果大法官解釋這個是合憲的我們就編回來可以追溯到今年一月大法官解釋如果合憲我們就編而且追加的編追溯到今年的一月如果大法官解釋違憲我就不能成為一個違憲的院長 |
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院長你不能成為違憲的院長但是你不能成為一個違法的院長接下來本期要跟你討論接下來本期要跟你討論新台幣的改版有預估要做嗎央行有提出因為基於要花多少錢 |
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准备央行提出了他在财政委员会报告了之前也有委员询问过这个问题说有500亿可是央行说500亿是包括那个铜币钱币那钱币如果不需要的话会节省到400多亿应该只有好像40亿是不是 |
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應該是40億左右那一張可以用三張來算因為現階段 我要告訴院長因為現階段 人民通膨問題我們的社福預算都非常的緊縮 |
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| transcript.whisperx[710].end |
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地方建設行政院也說沒錢很緊縮那這個階段你們說一年要51到100億然後從117年開始這是央行給我們的數字要開始來改版改版 |
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你們告訴我說是因為違閉那現在的違閉很多嗎沒有我們是說現在已經是24年了24年跟其他的國家來比較我們非常的慢了而且我們改版只有增加24年裡面只有增加1.5塊錢 |
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30681.946 |
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現在的成本一張是3.5 院長他告訴你只有增加1.5萬一張要5塊錢院長你冷靜再去思考 此時此刻通膨年輕人買不起房子 社福預算不夠你在這個現階段 錢可以用的你這個階段要去改版 |
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| transcript.whisperx[713].end |
30701.615 |
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如果改版不是只有改那一張版而且你所有未來你的ATM你所有相關的清查那個相較之下通通都要更改那個金額不高金額不高就是隱性的成本軟體都要所以院長你審思啊聽聽民意就是院長所說的世上苦人多好謝謝楊瓊英委員的資訊謝謝卓院長相關部會首長備詢謝謝 |
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30713.881 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].end |
30727.436 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].text |
謝謝 主委員長請喝一口茶好 接下來我們請審發會委員質詢徐毅臻委員請準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].start |
30751.465 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].end |
30779.227 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].text |
好 院長我們請 請院長麻煩再請卓院長備選省委好卓院長好這個我想這兩個禮拜前一條社會新聞我在這裡這個讓我們大家都非常的 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].start |
30780.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].end |
30808.519 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].text |
肥痛啦齁這個一個親韓生他因為沒有辦法繳出一萬八千塊的這個學費那變成他壓垮他的最後一根稻草那這個最後他選擇選擇親生啦齁那這因為這一則新聞齁讓我就今天改變了我原本今天想要質詢的題目我想說這個應該要回頭來檢視 |
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| transcript.whisperx[717].end |
30838 |
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我們目前我們國家來做跟兒童跟少年的未來的發展賬戶這樣子的做法我們來進行一個審視因為當一個國家說我們要為孩子鋪路的時候那句話就不是停留在口號應該要把這個希望落實在看得見的制度上面我們要讓每一個孩子可以站起來向前走 |
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30839.096 |
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30864.108 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].text |
我們就應該要把路鋪得更平鋪得更寬讓他更有力量尤其現在教育跟生活的成本持續上升社會競爭的加劇的情況之下家庭背景對孩子未來的影響也在放大所以我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].start |
30865.959 |
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30890.053 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].text |
希望能夠清楚的給下一代一個起步的機會給他起步的一個支持所以我現在回頭來檢視我們現在兒少的未來教育跟發展帳戶這個制度這個制度可能是衛福部這邊主管 |
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| transcript.whisperx[720].end |
30923.013 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].text |
我們從106年開始實施這個制度107年立法到現在也9年的時間了106年到現在實施9年我想9年我們來回頭來檢視這個制度到底在實施上面實施了9年我們回頭來檢視看看有沒有什麼值得我們讓它更優化的空間能夠真正的提供兒童跟少年在未來起步的時候的一個支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].start |
30925.141 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].end |
30951.278 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].text |
所以這個制度其實九年來照理講也應該是累積了很多的經驗跟資料所以我要從它的開戶率從縣市的差異從家庭的負擔從金融教育的配套等等這些方面我們來一起看我們其實從這些方面我們都看到還有優化的空間其實都還有優化的空間所以接下來我想就這個制度怎麼樣來讓這個制度更普及更穩定能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].start |
30952.456 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].end |
30980.913 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].text |
更具成長性能夠照顧更多的兒童跟少年這樣的角度來談這個問題我剛講過這個制度我們從106年6月1號開辦到現在14、19年開辦的時候我們溯及到105年1月1號出生的孩子都可以辦理這樣的帳戶這個帳戶基本上就是一個為我們我國這個帳戶基本上就是一個為低收入戶中低收入戶 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].start |
30981.793 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].end |
30997.774 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].text |
低收入戶、中低收入戶還有長期安置的這些11的少年兒童大概就是這些孩子有資格能夠辦理政府會先存進一筆錢先存一萬塊接下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[724].end |
31021.738 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].text |
家裡存多少我們政府就補多少用這樣的制度來給這個孩子未來的支持我看了你們的這個網站我上去看我們這個網站事實上是做得蠻清楚的幾乎把所有的條件他的歷史嚴格以及他這個丈夫未來他的一些相關的資格以及他的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].start |
31024.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].end |
31041.968 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].text |
辦理這個帳戶的好處等等這些推廣大概在網站上面是寫蠻清楚但是我關心的就是說我們實施9年我們現在到底成效怎麼樣我們先從覆蓋率院長我想我們從覆蓋率來看就是到底有多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].start |
31042.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].end |
31069.501 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].text |
多少人辦了這個帳戶 多少人到目前因為現在才開辦9年 還要到18歲才可以領所以現在是都還沒有開始領現在都是已經開始在存所以這9年裡面我們看看他的覆蓋率這部分這個院長不曉得清不清楚謝謝委員 我們剛好前兩三天吧我們正在討論到這個事情原意是說像讓年輕人出社會的時候有一桶金政府也出一部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].start |
31070.021 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].end |
31087.617 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].text |
那家庭出一部分他的家庭的部分來自於低收中低收入本來就是經濟上比較弱勢的原來這種構想是這個樣子所以我們在認為說未來是不是要朝向一個更廣泛的全面性的家庭支持跟政府來做合作所以我們有在檢討這個現在的制度所以是請部長來說明一下這個部長齁我這邊我幫你統計啦 時間的關係我就 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].start |
31096.727 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].end |
31120.446 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].text |
我看我這個也都是我資料全部都是從衛福部的資料來的這個我以這個我們2025年9月我們的衛福部的統計這個低收入戶跟這個收入這個低收入戶加中低收入戶加上這些失一而少這樣子加起來總共這個有人數總共是3萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].start |
31125.187 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].end |
31129.248 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].text |
總數是95,692人辦理帳戶的有多少目前累積辦理帳戶總開戶數我幫你算我以2023年算我這邊的資料是2023年的總開戶數才31,606人 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].start |
31155.822 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].end |
31163.246 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].text |
就是說你的覆蓋率差不多33%而已就是差不多只有33%的有資格的人來開戶而已這個覆蓋率辦了9年 院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].start |
31167.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].end |
31182.586 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].text |
這樣子是不是這個覆蓋率有值得檢討的地方所以我們那天就在檢討希望有一個更大宏觀的方向來對年輕人做更多的照顧從這個制度來檢討未來怎麼改變先不談過去9年我們先檢討嘛過去9年為什麼他的覆蓋率開戶數會這麼低呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].start |
31191.177 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].end |
31207.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].text |
跟委員報告當然他一開始我們先跟委員報告一個背景資料就是目前開戶數大概是這樣沒有錯但是有開戶之後能夠持續繳的那個是我下一個問題持續率那個下一個問題我現在只光講開戶數就太低了吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].start |
31208.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].end |
31234.609 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].text |
才三成不到四成接下來要去檢討他的開戶數確實有一些問題弱勢家庭他本身的現金流他的負擔這是一個問題我本來就以中立收入戶你看我每個月存款這是一個問題第二個就是你的申請後續這些資料其實整個辦理手續對這些弱勢家庭而言他本身的行政負擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].start |
31235.749 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].end |
31262.205 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].text |
也是很大就是說他個人除非社工的輔導否則他個人是要辦理這個是很困難那另外這個社工的能量當然也是個問題各縣市政府社工的能量跟他的這個推動的這個力道都有差我來看各縣市的差距我們剛講整體來講是33%但是你看到嘉義市他的開戶率達到八成 |
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| transcript.whisperx[735].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[735].text |
但是很多縣市根本就連五成都不到各縣市都有這些差距為什麼各縣市有這樣子的差距這個請部長是不是你了不了解這個我們可能要詳細的再去了解各縣市的差異不過這個積極度當然也是你們要去掌握要掌握這個各縣市為什麼有這些差距他是這個其實他 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].start |
31290.014 |
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31315.751 |
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每一個地方在推動的力道都不一樣有的他加了很多獎勵加一線為什麼能夠到八成因為他本身都加了很多福利點數在你開戶的同時他又給你加福利點數等等提供其他的獎勵跟誘因所以他的開戶率比較高所以剛剛講說這是開戶率的問題接著剛剛部長就提到了你的持續儲蓄率到底多高 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].start |
31317.727 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].end |
31329.556 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].text |
我看到你們的資料我看到的資料你們這是這個113年因為你們好像四年檢討一次所以現在看到的你們的書面資料是113年113年你們說堅持繼續存款的總共有3763人這個數字在那時候對吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].start |
31339.877 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].end |
31356.683 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].text |
我們的數字是持續的可以到8乘5的維持率8乘5就是說開戶的這個戶口有持續持續的有到8成那這個我看到的這個因為你們那時候是搭配獎勵 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].start |
31358.183 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].end |
31380.437 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].text |
因為這個這個我們這個這個兒少這個教育發展帳戶條例裡面授權授權讓我們這個你們授權制定了一個叫做獎勵開戶人的存款辦法所以你們有除了這個這個一開始政府幫你存以外你們如果符合這個持續三年不間斷的話你們另外有獎勵金那這樣子的制度喔這個這個 |
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31383.769 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].end |
31389.495 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].text |
我們在這個獎勵金之下其實我們的持續率也才如果按照部長講才到八成而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].start |
31390.305 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].end |
31414.524 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].text |
才到八成我個人認為說對於家庭儲蓄能力比較弱的現行的開戶金跟三年的獎勵金它的誘因我個人認為還是有限應該是不是能夠研議這些相關的公益是不是能夠引進民間的力量做公益的配對或者是還有一個很重要的就是對金融觀念金融教育 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].start |
31415.458 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].end |
31443.897 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].text |
的問題我們剛剛在講這個開戶率的部分其實它也牽涉其實這個我們目前教育部好像沒有在這個我們的教育部學校沒有在我們這個推廣的這個一個環節裡面這我認為這些兒童跟少年他接觸最多的就是學校如何跟教育部來合作請教育部在過程裡面在推廣的過程裡面從學校來做我覺得這也是很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].start |
31447.781 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].end |
31463.652 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].text |
這個牽涉到跨部會的資源整合最後剛剛院長有提到說我們有開會也在討論是不是能夠把目前限於低收入戶、中低收入戶跟這些失業而燒的部分能夠擴大 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].start |
31464.502 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].end |
31480.907 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].text |
能夠擴大讓這個資格能夠做更寬廣的照顧面我們來接近我們就看現在美國大家最清楚的跟我們這個非常類似叫做川普帳戶這個我們部長應該知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].start |
31487.575 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].end |
31504.817 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].text |
他們就是你一個一個從這個這個2025年出生的嬰兒一出生 政府就提供聯邦政府就提供1000美元來幫你買 啟動你的資金政府就每一個新生兒就1000美元 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].start |
31506.062 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].end |
31534.946 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].text |
1000美元大概差不多3.2萬這樣子之後他也是到18年之後18歲之後可以開始啟動但是他的過程裡面他不是我們的是儲蓄他們的是直接就是基金的操作就是讓你這個用低成本的這些共同基金還有這個追蹤指數ETF他們就是限定這些項目就開始進行投資 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].start |
31537.021 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].end |
31563.851 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].text |
這樣子但是更重要的一個就是說美國他是川普這樣跟我們最大的區別就是他是普惠性的他沒有限於收入狀況怎麼樣清寒中低收入低收入他沒有他全面性的做普惠性的這樣子的帳戶的設置其實韓國跟新加坡也有類似的制度韓國跟新加坡他也是類似他也是這種普惠性的制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].start |
31564.929 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].end |
31585.798 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].text |
那我就是在最後這一點時間我希望院長我們是不是能夠把目前我們這樣子的這個兒童少年的這些這樣子的帳戶的做法是不是能夠跳脫出我們現在我們這樣這種做法是救濟性質的而不是普惠性質的是不是能夠把這種救濟性質的帳戶我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].start |
31588.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].end |
31603.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].text |
這個牽涉到很多單位包括主計包括我們的這些我們未來的這些財務規劃經濟部金管會財政部衛福部這些單位應該由院長來整合我們來研究看看是不是能夠朝普惠的方向來走 |
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31606.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].end |
31624.265 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].text |
謝謝委員如果基於整個經濟情勢的改變變化還有國家財政能力的逐漸的往上提升再加上我們很多的金融商品逐漸的有創新那我們現在在比較屬於退休那邊已經有所謂的TISA台灣版的TISA |
| transcript.whisperx[751].start |
31625.345 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].end |
31643.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].text |
再來就是我們對年輕人兒少政府權力支柱的這個方向也不會變在幾個原則底下就是我們之前在討論的跟宏觀的在考慮到說對出生到他年輕成長出社會的這段時間如果給他一個可以有金融 |
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| transcript.whisperx[752].end |
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教育知識這個不只是對年輕人的支持其實這樣子的做法像美國他川普政府他其實也是針對少子化的問題在做一個解決出發點也是在這裡鼓勵大家能夠多生小孩政府用家庭支持用政府支持來協助每個小孩的快樂成長所以希望院長能夠朝這個普惠性的方向我們來研議召集這些單位來做 好不好好的 謝謝 謝謝委員 |
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謝謝審發會委員的質詢謝謝卓院長 相關部會首長備詢謝謝我們接下來請徐毅臻委員質詢王世堅委員請準備 |
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謝謝韓院長我們請卓文泰卓院長謝謝麻煩再請卓院長備詢許議員好 |
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院長好 院長我想請您先看一下這張稅入預算跟決算的一個比較表我們可以從這個表刻可以清楚的看到一個現象就是中央政府的稅入的這個決算數長期而且顯著的高於預算數 |
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也就是中央政府其實每年的收入都被刻意的低估所以從這幾年的這個預算數跟決算數的相比您可以看到平均都高出3300億到4400億大概最多可以到將近20%所以這應該不是偶然的誤差而是長期制度性的這個低估所以導致外界都沒有辦法準確的掌握這個國家財政的一個真相那這種做法就是可以製造出一種財政吃緊的一個假象 |
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讓政府有理由舉債或者是凍結部分的支出那又能夠在年度執行的之後用超徵或稅率高於預期的一個名義靈活的運用這些隱藏的收入所以請問院長造成政府稅率低估的原因是什麼那這樣的一個故意的低估這些預留的款項到底是要保留給哪些特定的項目呢 |
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報告委員 稅入的決算數會比稅入的預算數高就不是超增兩個字是我們的時增數超過我們的預算數請問一下 這樣子長期的被低估的狀況在115年稅入我們在編訂的時候已經請財政部能夠 |
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横租過去的經驗以及現在的經濟的發展跟明年的預測已經大幅提高稅入的一些你說115年度的這個稅入的預算數其實是比去年還低因為只有兩兆8623億第一是因為台化法的關係你挪出去的4000多億才低的 |
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那加上這個部分的話您可以看一下我們現在看到的就是說其實過去這從110年到113年來看到的其實就是有低估的大概將近20%左右請問一下部長這是什麼原因跟委員報告我們的預算數在籌編到最後的執行完畢大概將近有兩年的時間這兩年的時間其實有許多變化的因素但是這個變化好像也太大了 |
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而且長期喔不是說偶爾一次那就可能是財政部的低估的能力109年就沒有達到預算數109年的時候我現在是請教您110年到113年甚至到114年所以其實這個是會讓人家感受到就是說我們是刻意的去低估而造成我們沒有辦法好好的用這樣子一個財政的一個技術的一個會計技術來方便我們立法院 |
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就會有這樣的一個狀況那當然我們再看一下下一張表格請院長再看一下 |
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在115年度的中央政府的總預算的稅入來圓別的一個編列情況就是您可以看一下稅客收入是預算數是兩兆4807億那紅色框框的部分就包含了所得稅、證交稅、關稅、貨物稅、營業稅加起來是兩兆4104億那請問一下703億跑到哪裡去了為什麼會出現這樣的落差請問院長 |
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你看喔 你說客收入是2.4807億可是你下面只有五個項目嘛然後所以加起來是2.4104億少了703億請問怎麼會出現這樣的落差請院長回答 |
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計算的問題部長再說明可能連計算都計算錯吧一定是我們是合計數一定是各個稅務的相加呀對啊所以我現在加給你看啊結果看到走兩兆4104億啊就少了703億啊請問是為什麼 |
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我們編的是內地稅是兩兆四千八百零七億的稅客對啊 是啊那這你下面就是編了這幾個這個分項嘛那到底是為什麼會有這樣的隱匿稅入的一個預算呢是到底是什麼樣造成這樣的一個問題 |
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稅務裡面包含的有稅客收入我現在講的就是稅客收入稅客收入是兩兆四千八百零七億這個部分應該是全部的合計可是我這五項加起來只有兩兆四千一百零四億你的項目是不是涵蓋全部 |
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那為什麼會出現這樣我們是在依據你們的這個中央政府稅務來源別的編列情形表喔表三之二 您可以看得到所以我們現在看到的狀況就是他是所得稅 證交稅 關稅 貨物稅 營業稅 |
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院長我告訴你為什麼你知道嗎因為本來稅客收入是有九項你們只列了五項少了四項所以才會有這樣缺少的一個狀況所以這樣看起來你在編列預算的時候是不是有這種隱匿這個收入的一個狀況那為什麼我們拿到的預算表是這樣勒 |
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我不知道您的預算表是啥當然是我們在預算書看報紙哪裡拿到的所以可能請院長針對這部分因為我看到這樣的預算表的時候我一直覺得不可能是計算錯嘛當然啊要不然我要去哪裡編就是說這個部分我覺得這樣在編列上因為事實上如果我想有在銀行服務的人都知道少一塊錢都不能下班 |
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都不能說自己拿一塊錢出來補更何況是少那麼多錢所以這也很明顯的隱匿的一個狀況我們這裡是有九項我剛剛就跟您講了應該有九項可是你列了五項那到底是什麼樣的原因 |
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我們再來看看下一個就是我們有把115年度的稅務預算跟113年度的稅務決算進行比較因為114年度還沒出來所以為什麼我也拿這兩年比較是因為114年度的經濟成長率預估有5%115年度目前你們也預估有2.8%所以兩邊加起來可能會有7.8%的一個成長率理論上經濟成長了 |
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那應該是我們的這個稅入應該會同步提高那所以說呢差了7.81可是我們兩個一比較呢你可以看到目前在115年度的總預算當中有9個項目刻意被低估你可以看到這9個項目 |
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就是移政稅低估36億 關稅短估140億貨物稅短估367億 證交稅短估380億證交稅短估25億 罰款及賠償收入短估80億規費收入短估18億 財政收入短估104億營業營餘跟收入短估164億其他收入短估260億整個加起來的預估短估1574億 |
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那請問一下在這個部分我們其實這種分箱低估收入的這種方式會讓我們整個的這個整體的財政規模會被人為的縮小也是對我們這個財政紀律的一個扭曲所以預算應該要實際反映國家的一個真實的狀況而不是刻意引發這種好像財政吃緊的一個狀況 |
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那請問一下短估的這一千 照理說你經濟成長了7.8%不可能還減少1574億所以這個短估的狀況到底是為什麼這樣看起來會讓我們覺得說好像是可以合理化的舉債或壓縮薪資甚至就是讓我們地方的補助變少那請問一下這樣子的一個狀況是為什麼 |
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請部長說明當初我們在編的時候我們逐項都有經過跟部長的討論跟比對那請部長詳細說明對 跟委員報告各個稅務我們都有不同的一個計算的基礎那也要看往年的一個收入情形還有要扣除大額特殊案件譬如說像疑政稅的話如果那一年有大額的計算所以這個要按 |
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我只想請教院長就是說 照理說114、115年它經濟成長應該是你們預估7.8%但是你們現在預估的稅率反而減少而且低估了光這9項就低估了1574億了所以這到底是什麼樣的原因 |
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沒有到那麼多我們的稅務沒有稅少到這麼少而且我們的中手稅是增加的除了扣掉那個才化法扣除以外整額是增加的扣除才化我沒有加到這個部分那是在營業稅的部分3,544億現在變296億我也沒有講這個部分我現在指的是說你稅客收入是兩兆 |
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四千八百零七億嘛那預算數是兩兆八千六百二十三億那針對這個部分你就是短估了這些項目短估了一千五百七十四億所以說如果有了這一千五百七十四億不管是軍人加薪的三百億元或者是警消退休金額的這個退休金的這個大概算五十億元還有地方的一些補助其實有這一千五百七十四億都可以做到啊 |
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跟委員報告沒有所謂的短估各個數據怎麼估算出來我們可以逐項跟委員做詳細的說明院長我想是不是應該要把一個我們這樣子的稅務預測的模型而且把短估的部分補正在預算當中因為不合理就是我的明明經濟成長這兩年加起來是增加了7.8%可是我的預算居然會減少1500多億這是非常不合理的 |
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所以說是不是可以請院長能夠立即檢討我們115年度的這樣子的一個稅入預測的一個模型然後把短估補正於預算中委員如果從我們送的預算書上面來看到有這樣的數字的變化心中會有說疑慮那是難免所以也希望我們未來在審查預算的過程當中能夠讓財政部跟其他部合理的 |
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充分的跟委員做說明這部分我也要拜託院長未來如果有像這樣子的稅務預算跟決算的差距超過3%的話是不是能夠就提出一個差異說明報告送到立法院來讓我們在審預算的時候不會有這麼多的疑慮 |
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謝謝委員 這個提議我覺得應該很好好 謝謝院長所以我想這個部分其實我們要的是整體的稅務能夠如實真實的編列在預算當中讓我們在立法院可以好好的來審查而不是用這樣的一個方式讓我們覺得看到預算社的時候嚇一跳短估那麼多然後告訴我們幫軍人加薪300億沒錢幫警消的50億沒錢其實你只要把短估的估回來是有辦法做到的 |
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這部分再請院長當時主項都有討論不至於出現短估的現象這個問題我們會在審查預算目前看起來就是這樣他都應該是有過分析跟預估的所以將來在審查預算會充分向委員報告 |
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來做這個質詢其實我做了很多的準備所以也把這列出來也跟您詳細的分析所以我相信剛剛講的這個應該我覺得在這個方面有很大的一個問題所以如果真的隱匿這樣子的話來欺騙立法院的話我們審這個預算就沒有什麼意義了不會欺騙立法院所以說請 |
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請院長針對這個部分一定要審慎的嚴格的來去做一個這樣的一個把關我們會尊重剛剛委員那樣的提議未來就有強力的說明謝謝那另外呢我們下一個議題是我們可以看到就是其實在2021年CNN在講說我們台灣是行人地獄的時候我們其實我相信大家都想要做這樣的一個 |
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都想做這樣一個改善可是今年在8月31的時候德國媒體又出現了這樣一篇報導他說台灣每年因為交通事故死傷的人數超過美國911的恐攻的死亡總數所以也提醒外國的遊客來台灣的時候要三思 |
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但這是非常沉重而且非常羞辱的一個國際評價那我也知道我們想要改善這樣的一個狀況所以呢行政院有核定了一個永續提升人行安全計畫400億那這400億呢其中在這個公務局有140億那在國土署有260億總共是這樣那我可以請這個院長看一下嗎他的經費分配數您看一下 |
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在交通部負責140億前三年只編列38億剩下超過102億大概是超過七成全部集中在最後一年國土署它在前三年只編列100億剩下159億在最後一年編列大概也超過六成 |
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那我想請教一下行人安全計畫有六七成的預算是在最後一年才執行請問這樣子的一個預算分配合理嗎院長請您先回答部長先說明一下我們的逐年計畫好跟委員報告好院長我先請教您針對我剛講的這樣在最後一年編列了六跟七成的部分您覺得合理嗎迎您這樣直接的 |
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是我要分享的逐年計畫因為一開始一定是比較少那中間一定有些規劃的過程那但最後一年是七成那就是說 請部長說明一下最後一年的執行力到底能不能把它完成起來報告員其實我們交通部尤其公路局他們在執行的那個面向都超過這些預算我們有一些是用自己的公路局裡面的預算下去做 |
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所以其實已經超過這個數額那最後一年確實就像院長剛剛所說的一開始的計畫會比較慢那後面我們會逐步來加強那有一些像內政部的部分等一下應該部長也會講跟地方政府的合作也要看地方政府申請的狀況對 但是您的這種編列的方式在最後一年七成耶 |
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一般我們在做這樣的一個連續性的計劃不可能在最後一年編列七成的預算而且請跟院長看一下這個數字我可能要回去再查核一下因為實際上我記得明年很像不只是這個數額前幾年執行的沒有這麼少跟委員報告一下其實我們跟地方政府的合作都非常的好地方政府如果送上來之後我們需要有時間去做規劃跟考核請問一下部長這個數字正不正確你們前三年是編列37億對不對 |
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有一点我需要再做确认院长其实有这样子的一个编列的方式只会让我们合理的怀疑第一个是不是行政效率太差所以都要集中在最后一年要不然就是那116年是什么时间你知道吗就是总统大选的前一年 |
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所以讓人也合理的懷疑是不是要用在總統那裡的最後一年用這樣的方式來綁裝用這樣的錢來綁裝否則完全不合理啊我們大部分的預算編列在最後一年那請問是哪個天才想出來這樣子的一個方式來編這樣的預算您的懷疑我們會做合理的說明我請交通部內政部 |
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用這個數據跟委員做合理的說明我們地方政府確實需要有時間跟中央政府一起來合作這個跟綁裝不綁裝完全沒有關係那是不是可以在這邊請院長具體的承諾絕對不會用這筆錢來做政治綁裝不會 |
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那院長您今天具體承諾那我們就到時候來看看那當然這個部分我希望院長還有一個重要的問題我看到的這個部分就是這樣的一個感受為什麼會在最後一年那當然也請你們提出合理的說明 |
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然後另外就是我們現在看到的就是還有最近啊有很多地以前本來我們一些縣市政府都有在爭取這些人行道的一個改善的尤其是在學童在這個校園的附近可最近呢大家不敢申請了你知道為什麼嗎院長知道嗎為什麼最近大家不敢申請不敢申請了為什麼 |
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因為是不是未來的錢回到地方去了不是是因為我們現在不管是中南部像我來自雲林縣雲林縣以前是五級的財力分級的縣市所以他只要自籌12%現在因為財化法的關係全部都變成一級了所以他現在要自籌80幾%你說怎麼做 |
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因為財化法就是把錢分給地方啊你沒有辦法做啦為什麼他們就不會再來爭如果財化法把錢分給地方要中央負擔80%中央也沒有辦法做啊那你編列這400億要做什麼跟地方還是合作啊對嘛所以你就是要讓地方來申請嘛分擔的比例要調整其實我擔憂的是一個問題你知道嗎就是您看到的就是越窮的地方越沒有人行道越弱勢的孩子越危險為什麼因為本來財力五級的縣市 |
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他變成要變成一級的縣市所以他的要自籌八成多的一個他這個變化不是沒有原因的因為他有比較多的統籌分配稅款他才會升級我現在是請教院長那請問你剛說要跟地方合作這400億那代表這400億不用那麼多囉 |
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可以砍掉一些囉所以我剛才只是要跟你們表達就是說因為這些比較窮的縣市它本來財力五級的縣市它就是因為有需要所以它才會用這樣的一個方式那如果我們現在把它回歸到說好它現在通常變一級的窮的還是窮啊 |
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你說你真正有分配要給因為財化法分配給他們的數字真的有那麼多嗎因為你一般補助款你又拉回來啦所以於您現在來說其實我算過他今年度還少了28.3億一般補助款的部分中央地方全縣劃分的事情現在正由國發會還有政府院長 |
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那院長也就是說我們這筆情人的這個不需要400億了因為你都是地方自己處理就好了原來的計畫是有但是跟地方怎麼去談合作未來可能用不同的財務分擔所以我想告訴院長的是這個部分我覺得用財化法的這個把五級大家全部都變成一級對於本來五級的限制沒有第五級全部變成一級你說的可能是苗栗縣現在全部都是 |
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因為大家都變成正的啦全部都說你們因為財劃法之後都變成這個訊息不正確喔是不是請院長能夠我們可以把財劃法的分級表新的送給委員看那最後我再請教一下就請院長再把資料傳給我的然後再看一下就是這個有關 |
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我們面對中國大陸三五的船就是無船名無船舶證書無船及港的登記政府的處理態度是什麼 |
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就是我們面對中國大陸的三無船請問政府的處理態度是什麼船級的登記我們現在有至少我們現在有所謂的中國大陸都一堆三無船來就忽然跑到我們的海域來有所謂的黑名單有黑名單我們就黑名單政府的態度是什麼禁止他進到我們的管轄範圍裡面來那遇到三無船你們會不會強力取締 |
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如果它強制違反海域的規定我們當然要強力舉提對 你們會強力舉提嗎好 我現在來跟您探討一下就台灣沿岸最近有出現了一種也是三無的船就是波特船 |
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他只要裝上動力馬達就可以釣魚載客不用船舶檢查也不用進出港登記在任何岸邊都可以自由進出也不用裝設AIS然後在海上神出鬼沒這就是標準的三無船不但危險而且還有國安的一個問題 |
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根據海委會113年3月因為它只統計到3月底我們可以看到這類的無牌照的小船的數量已經達到到113年3月就已經1442艘發生海難的事故也大概高達44件請問院長這種免牌照的小船到底歸誰管 |
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我們可以看到漁業捕撈算農業部休閒觀光算交通部國安管制算海委會運動發展算運動部請問一下院長你覺得這個波特船應該歸誰管 |
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最近海委會有增加的一些設備他們對這種小型船的查詢能力是增強的所以剛剛這裡是流木島你沒辦法查詢 因為它沒有裝AIS所以你根本沒有辦法查那這種波特船我相信這個可以停在哪裡你知道嗎 沒辦法 |
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因為他就到處亂停他完全沒有任何的一個就是比如說管制啊或者是說任何的要求他就是他想他自己想要他想要有他就有他想要出港他就出廣他想要出去就出去有這樣的一個狀況我們來看一下一個影片好不好請院長看一下 |
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整個海都黃了啦看魚啦這樣啦看得到多少啦 |
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我們剛剛好這影片可以停一下我們剛剛看到的是滿滿的海上都是波特船在那邊釣魚好那結果看到滿滿的漁獲那你覺得他有沒有可能就是拿來販賣呢絕對有可能因為他根本沒有管理結果剛剛講的剛剛請院長請教的就是說這個到底應該由誰管院長可以先回答我嗎剛剛講的這個 |
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波特船應該由誰來管這樣看起來他的行為是一種新興的行業不只喔 很多年了不是新興的行業這可能不在你剛剛講的四個分類當中我們應該跨部會來研究看看第一個基於國家的安全已經研究很多年了國家的安全 海域的安全走私 查緝我今天會提就是因為一般的漁民一直反映這已經研究很多年了 |
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那院長可不可以具體在這邊給我們承諾就是說在一個月內你們就可以把這個到底由誰管的這個主管機關能夠把它這個訂定下來好不好否則的話這樣一過去可能又是好多年了委員我們跨部會來加速進行這個管理可不可以在一個月內提出來目前已經有十個縣市政府他們有納管波特船 |
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基本上我這邊想要請教院長可不可以在一個月之內定出來到底由誰管好嗎我們負責國安的政委來協助來協調各部會我們跨部會來主持組成一個會議來討論第一個無法可管第二個就是說我們可以看到就是波特船你可以看到他幾乎所有都沒有 |
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專法納管沒有 登錄沒有船編沒有 漁獲回報沒有入出安全沒有 裝設AS沒有這還有一個什麼問題你知道嗎就是它有可能利用這樣的一個波特船因為它沒有AS嘛 它其實你偵測不到它可以利用來偷渡跟走私院長知道嗎我們之前在討論到船舶法跟商港法的修法過程已經有把這個事 我也無 |
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山無船 把它列進去的現在事實上也影響漁民有很大的一個問題所以針對這個部分是不是有辦法可以一個月內嗎否則的話一過去 明年我要問一樣的問題 |
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好 謝謝院長那就一個月內請你們再訂出第一個 訂出主責機關第二個 應該要競速訂管理專法可以嗎就剛剛講的 其實你們有很多法不管傳播法 各方面的法但是針對波特傳這樣子的一個 |
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目前無法可管的這樣的是不是可以訂定一個管理專法就比較需要更多的時間來考量但是以目前的機制來講我們已經有跨部會的好 那就一個月內確立組織單位然後之後我們再來研究專法可以嗎我們已經送納院來審議了如果這個部分我們需要在廣義定義上來做或是加一些需要強化的措施我們就來處理 |
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好 謝謝院長希望能夠把波特船這個亂象真正的現在把它剔除另外最後一個問題就是要請教你就是有關非洲豬瘟的因為其實本席在最近有收到很多的養豬業者的陳情他們都希望能夠禁用廚餘養豬 |
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那當然目前發生的這樣的一個狀況剛剛我有聽到院長還有部長的一些回覆目前好像還沒有打算要禁用廚餘養豬那當然這也可能就是七年多前那時候的賴清德總統跟卓榮泰院長擬擔任秘書長的時候的一個決定但是我覺得這個對養豬業者真的非常重要所以還是覺得院長應該要審慎來去思考禁用廚餘養豬 |
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謝謝徐宇珍委員的質詢謝謝卓院長 相關部會所長備詢 謝謝接下來我們請最有出息的王世堅委員質詢王委員質詢之後我們會休息五分鐘 |
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謝謝主席你化解了沒出席的尷尬我請行政院卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備選王委員好 卓院長你辛苦了不會 大家都努力我看到你這一年半來陸力重工我也 |
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想在今天我們又再度碰面的時候我要送你兩件禮物一個是望遠鏡我希望你的施政能夠高瞻遠瞩一個是放大鏡我希望施政能夠觀察細微也就是 |
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我們全面性的執政就要全面性的高瞻遠瞩觀察細微我希望這兩項禮物你就帶著放在院長辦公室每天提醒你時時刻刻我們要帶領我們政府邁向高瞻遠瞩的施政但是同時我們也要體恤民意觀察細微好嗎謝謝委員 |
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好 謝謝我們為謹記剛剛委員這段話高瞻遠瞩的部分我希望我們中央政府能夠不分中央地方比方說這一次我們要引進第二座護國神山NVIDIA 輝達那以現在所看到先前碰到的一些障礙而言可能我們中央政府也要出手擴大 |
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| transcript.whisperx[831].text |
在這個法律合約的解釋上面那麼讓台北市政府能夠放手去做那這一點是我們國家我們政府要高瞻遠瞩的地方那要觀察細微的地方確實我們這幾年來我們國家確實富裕了民間也確實富裕了 股票非常好股票非常好可是我們 |
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| transcript.whisperx[832].text |
隱藏的貧窮黑數卻是增加了啦所以講並不是我們全國2300萬人每個人都在玩股票沒有嘛並不是每位國民都買賣股票買賣股票的也不是每一位都賺錢所以這樣的情況下賺錢有 |
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運氣的問題 有能力的問題可是永遠都有一群我們沒看到在基層默默辛苦生活的民眾 |
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那麼我根據我們中央給的資料我們大概中低收入戶跟低收入戶有得到我們政府補助的大概2.3%左右也就大概53萬人左右但是主計處另外評估大概我們全國有7.5%的民眾是 |
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臨近貧窮線那這個7.5%就高達170萬而7.5%並沒有辦法完全顯示出我們現在社會真正貧窮的人數因為世界像歐美日國家他們都在15% 16%一點日本也是14%而我們竟然 |
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只有他們的一半可見我們在調查方面不是那麼仔細詳實民間很多社福機構很多學者專家他們長年來這些公民團體他們有合作去做研究他們估出來確實我們台灣比歐美日是好很多但是 |
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抓鄰近貧窮的民眾也是大概有14%之多那也就是如果14%有將近320萬位 |
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我們台灣民眾其實是生活在貧窮線那320萬扣除我們有補助中低收入戶跟低收入戶扣掉以後等於我們還有250萬位市民是我們政府接不到他 補助不到他是不是沒看到 或者我們能力不足 |
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我們的稅收財政我們沒辦法讓普羅大眾都享受到政府的補助可是當這些貧窮黑素他如果碰到家裡比方說重大的傷病重大的意外他們有需要的婚喪喜慶的時候他們可以說是求助無門所以這個部分我希望 |
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院長 你要以我們行政院的高度最高行政機構要要求我們屬下屬各單位包括主計處的調查包括內政部 衛福部這些社福單位他們去詳實的跟22縣市政府的社會局 |
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還有去了解去溝通去查出實際到底我們有多少貧窮黑素是需要我們去幫助的我們以緊急救難金也好以常設的經常性的對中低收入戶低收入戶的補助方式也好總是 |
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我們在瀕臨貧窮邊緣的貧窮黑素民眾們這250萬位都是我們台灣的國民我們台灣的子民我們也給他們必要的幫助可不可以好 謝謝委員在一年多前 |
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520上任的時候我說過經濟成長固然是國家發展的指標公平分配才是文明國家的象徵所以我們會注重的是整個國家的公平分配當然我知道我們現在科技發展之後很多在收入的各個層次上面呈現不同的成長的趨勢我們更注意到比較低弱勢的就像我們在產業界上我們除了高科技之外我們重視中小微企業一樣 |
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委員所說的可能是我們現在對低收中低收一個認定標準的問題要不要整個社會來討論來檢討這個問題這個討論是對的現在在這個過程當中我們現在除了他們之外我們對所謂的邊緣戶保全戶或競評這個範圍當中我們會盡量用其他的社會支持跟家庭支持來予以協助院長 |
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我們30年前當時公佈大概34年前公佈前20%財富擁有者是後20%比較貧窮者財富是16.8倍現在我們在4年前公佈已經擴大到前20%是後20%的66.9倍 |
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而後20%的平均財富全家喔 全家的財富78萬只比30年前高1萬元如果說一個家庭四口人家財富只有78萬那可以說是赤貧啦可以說是赤貧我認為這個部分確實 |
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這裡面你有確實你有做事去年你修正了去年契約你修正了中小企業發展條例那這個部分對於加薪減稅的部分那當時你有聽進去我們立法院的建議你那時候把這個失業的門檻後這個部分有把它去除那有大幅度的對於加薪減稅那麼有 |
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減除率有130%你提高到175%這是很好但是到現在為止這個成效一直還沒有統計數字給我們但是我以前在此之前加薪減稅推了4年多結果全國只有3738位民眾有 |
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受到這個加薪減稅的鼓舞去加到薪這個跟我們全國1000萬位勞工而言3738位那等於近乎是零啦所以我希望在中小企業發展條例你去除掉失業率這一個設限之後你提高到減稅率175%以後我希望你們能夠積極去推動積極去鼓勵 |
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各大中小企業加薪減稅那麼我也希望能夠儘早得到現在這個新條例修正以後的成效是怎麼樣好作為後續的推動跟修正好不好好的 謝謝 |
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我們現在也從剛剛說的家庭支持對比較收入沒有那麼高的我們從如果你是單身的租屋青年以及三口之家四口之家以及三代同堂我們在減稅減負擔方面都有比過去更多明年也會跟今年一樣這就是說我們在沒有辦法馬上加薪的過程加到一個合理希望的程度我們用 |
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降低他的負擔用家庭支持 說服的支持來協助他還有一個就是新清安的政策這是明年7月就要到期我要跟你請問的就是說 |
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你有沒有打算要把它延長還是就到明年7月為止我相信你很清楚先進安當然他有達到很多正面的到目前為止總共合帶了136,500戶金額一兆565億這麼高的金額那麼如果都實質幫到青年成家 |
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無房無殼蝸牛首次來購屋那這些都還好可是我們大家都很清楚新金安三無啦無年齡限制無首購限制無收入限制天啊沒有啊你只要名下無房就可以你現在只要名下無房 |
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開放到說 欸比方說我有房我不管我幾個房我要用這個新清安之前我全部過掉我不是首購啊 |
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所以無首購限制然後也沒有收入的限制竟然很多案例年收入400萬以上年收入400萬在我們國內個人年收入400萬這個算高所得喔他去申請新青安而且還拿到新青安的貸款補助這個 |
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這個400萬以上的竟然高達3000多戶天啊天啊不可思議我們現在蓋受害住宅 |
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先前各縣市政府蓋的國民住宅青年住宅公交住宅最大的一批最大的一筆也沒有到3000戶之多他隨隨便便就這麼樣就3000戶400萬年收入以上所以我個人那你如果要是查說 |
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這個新清安另外的缺點是什麼我覺得這幾年來我們房價高漲我們這幾年來房價的高漲當然不全是因為新清安但是新清安或多或少推波助瀾 |
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或多或少推波助瀾那麼我是希望說我今天就想問你說那你認為呢明年的七月到期你是要延長還是就此打住還是要做一些修正 你看法呢 |
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報告委員 從清安到新興安它整個量 新興安現在已經有逐漸回溫的感覺了沒有像過去一段時間數量那麼大況且我們在去年經過我們的調整限定它一升一次限定它貸前必須要嚴審 貸後必須要管理它必須符合它的自用的用途之外之後它的數量已經在比較降溫當中了那明年時間到了之後我剛剛跟委員報告真的是說 |
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基於青年居住正義的需要我們會檢討青青安現在之行上面任何的所有的困難我們會用新的方式來協助年輕人 |
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我就是等這一句話我們要給真正有需求的需要講述鼓勵幫助的年代尤其比方說新年要成家你像剛在日本他們有類似這樣子的貸款補助的話政府的補助他們都有設施有限制條件日本比方說他們包括說 |
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他們的國安問題之一也是他們出生率過低所以他們就是說你只要要結婚的青年那這最優先尤其你收入又不高的甚至日本政府他們避其功於一役就是說你要申請新興案你連你買的住宅 |
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政府會要求住宅品質這個住宅耐震係數夠不夠它是不是節能它是不是綠建築這些我認為都應該列入我們未來要補助我們要設置這些條件才對然後讓住宅的品質能提升如果我們如果像現在篩檢不嚴的話那個院長我們去年 |
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新青安一年之下來導致房屋的漲幅不管22縣市 但白區 但黃區平均漲幅是前三年的總和在新青安之前的前三年漲幅的總和才等於這一年來 |
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所以你看這多可怕因為就我剛剛跟你講的13萬6千戶有高達一兆565億這麼大的金額這就像直接像一顆原子彈投下去那個政府之大可能超過我們的一些評估跟想像好不好所以院長我希望能夠你能夠像你剛剛承諾的 |
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如果辛勤安你要繼續我個人是認為就應該截止重新再針對這一個部分我們重新想清楚要不然至少沒有首購的限制沒有收入的限制這些沒有年齡的限制五十幾歲六十歲還在辛勤安 |
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這個我都覺得這些應該要做一些修正好嗎是我們會往這個方向來想還有有一點是好那莊部長你請回院長不好意思那個我請法務部長麻煩請法務部長備詢院長我有針對死刑 |
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執行啊因為我們還有36位已經判刑有的都甚至超過30年了這36位死刑犯那憲法大法官也釋憲了嘛他釋憲以後大法官有說這四大條件這四大條件就是說最嚴重的犯罪情節最嚴謹的審判程序包括合意 |
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要何玉婷一致的判決包括精神鑑定那針對這一些部分我跟法務部請教我說那這一些我們到底有做到這36位 |
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那我們從事項之後這樣評估了一年36位評估了怎麼樣這個進度怎麼樣法務部長你給我的答覆是說具體個案情節本部實難提供敬請諒查部長我跟你說我完全不諒解執行 執行是法務部的責任 |
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是你的責任這跟視線已經無關大法官講出來這四項條件最嚴謹的法律程序我們都給加害人給兇手強制病夫的不是嗎我們一年有15億法服的金額有8成所以是花在加害人兇手的身上 |
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這樣子還不夠嗎我只要你給我一個 評估一個答案我跟你講那些主張廢死的人我送他八個字啦假仁假義欺世盜民因為很奇怪很不幸的我們國家馬前總統十幾年去跟人家簽了那個什麼兩公約 |
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是跑出這一群廢死的莫名其妙他們集體的虛偽把簡單的事情複雜化部長我為什麼今天一定要問你在院長面前問你我要你一定要給我一個交代為什麼請部長說明但是我跟委員說我們已經有執行的 |
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我們現在做一些修法上的這個加強跟補助我們期待能夠維護社會的公義請部長來說明 |
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我給你這個壓力不是針對你個人我對你個人完全不了解我是針對你這一個答覆你不是答覆我王世堅而已你是答覆我們整個立法院你是答覆2300萬國人同胞90%以上的我們的台灣人 人民大家都認為大家都認為我簡單講一句殺人償命 |
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這是千古不變的定律不是嗎我們聽從那一些偽善者他們說我們要考慮加害人兇手的人權請問被害人的人權在哪裡執行死刑本來犯罪罪與罰要等量什麼罪什麼罰為什麼偏偏來到 |
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最大二級罪無可安該執行的時候就折扣就不能執行這不是很奇怪嗎說你們說你們跟他們唱賀說什麼說這個加害人有什麼有教化的可能有他已經在懺悔了 |
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部長 我今天在院長面前正式再告知法務部一次死刑很重大的一項意義就是還被害人公道就是這麼簡單不要慷被害人之慨不是嗎 我請問施德蔣這位女教師剛好到今年上個月剛好第十一年 |
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11年石頭獎這個教師腦袋被兇手用榔頭敲破腦漿溢出還被吸進來這不是最嚴重的犯罪情節嗎然後他們一審三位一般在辯護自己出錢的你頂多請一位了不起兩位我們還派三位 |
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都很高檔一等一的律師去幫他強制辯護結果拖11年每一次審判的時候這位女老師她先生跟她兒子那是一刀一刀要再一次加害他們一次憑什麼要懺悔可以加害人要懺悔可以執行死刑槍斃以後到英朝地府去懺悔嘛 |
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不是這樣嗎所以部長我最後跟你講很嚴重的一點如果政府不公正的執行死刑的話我剛剛跟你講了90%的民眾支持應該執行死刑如果 |
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我們還在慷被害人之慨還陪著那一群假人假義的人戴著偽面具的時候那法治社會會崩解法治會崩解啊那因為那這樣人民會要求說那你政府你把武器權還給我們我們就跟美國西部槍戰時代一樣人手一槍啊為什麼要保護我們的 |
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家屬啊 我們的好朋友啊我們家屬好朋友被欺負了那我們自己去討回來是這樣子嗎所以我跟你講嚴重性我們人民給政府這個公權力公權力的前提是要建立在公信力政府有沒有公正無私的執法所以今天我特別問部長 |
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你能不能給我一個比較具體完整面對人民的要求強烈要求之下面對人加害家屬的要求之下你給我一個比較比較公正簡單的回覆 |
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我想這部分現在還有36位未決的確定的死刑犯這部分現在是由最高檢察署在依憲判意旨來做一個審查我想委員這部分我們可以用更詳細的書面資料再跟委員做一個報告我想這部分還要再做一個依憲判意旨來檢視委員講的 |
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宪判意旨那四个要件我想这个我们还是要审慎因为这部分我想我们也是执行就一位死刑犯了我想我们会再做一个检视另外委员刚刚有提到施多奖老师那个部分那个是法院后来的一个改判的我想在执行死刑这部分我想我们还是会依照宪法宪判的意旨以及我们 |
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陳副長 如果說照你說的 對啦執行一位這個我給你們喝彩拍拍手鼓掌 這個很好但是如果照這個進度左院長上任來這一年半執行了一位那如果照這樣另外36位執行完的話可能我們在場的人可能都坐骨了這36位還沒執行完 |
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我們會死得比他們早這對嗎我告訴你喔 部長千萬記住一句話我為什麼說不要看被害人之慨因為因為只有被害人跟家屬有原諒的權利其他人 尤其政府 |
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我們沒有原諒的權利我們就公正執法就好不是嗎所以你這個回答也還是不夠不夠直接啦我還是聽不懂我還是聽不懂我還是聽不懂你執行不執行你這樣好不好我也不浪費大家時間你會後你把到底高檢高檢署是你們管的最高檢署現在是最高檢在審查中一線最高檢不是你們管嗎這部分我們再來了解 |
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我們要的不多啦至少我們只是想了解那你省的這36位省的怎麼樣就我剛剛講的四大要件我可以講其實法律上精神鑑定其實也是他們託罪的一個我講最難聽的就算兇手真的精神障礙心智缺陷坦白講 |
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他精神障礙他心智缺陷那人家就活該倒霉被他殺嗎有精神障礙有心智缺陷他不會去住精神病院嗎他家屬沒有責任應該把他們管好嗎讓他們出來亂害別人可以這樣嗎 |
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各位委員報告因為我們這個並沒有廢死那這個依法執行依法判決這部分那個執法人員也必須要用法律的一個規定表面上講沒有廢死來做一個執行院長的心意我大概知道啦你的心意已經很清楚你現在已經答覆我們了嘛就是表面上沒廢死其實在你心裡面已經廢死了這個沒有不是這樣啦你具體的給我一個答覆 |
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因為依照憲判的要求他要求行為人在行為時就審審判時以及執行的時候都不能有精神 |
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這個喪屍的這個種種的問題都必須要分析所以必須要做這些程序他們會集體的跟你們說他們拒絕現在再一次精神鑑定這是我預測的啦我認為下一步要強制鑑定我時間有限部長我希望能夠看到你更具體的答覆給我好不好時間暫停你請回時間暫停王偉要請哪一位 |
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我喝口水你可以,不是流氓,可以喝水我不是流氓,我要多喝一口時間暫停那個 |
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院長還有一件 你這一點是有做得不錯因為你至少給我完整的答覆了就是去年我說在重大的天災像颱風 以去年康瑞颱風而言放假前一週給我詳細的數字就是對於我們身葬者他們的照顧怎麼辦因為我們的居服務員他們也有本身颱風 |
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的時候也有安危的問題所以這個居留服務員去照顧他們尤其失能等級在七級、八級而且又是獨居的那等同於如果沒有人去照顧他們等同於另一次 |
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死刑一樣所以那你有把至少你有把詳實的數字給我那這個比例你這一年來確實有提升了不過我覺得可能還來不及還不夠那麼基於說屈服員 |
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由中央跟各省的縣市政府去溝通是不是如果有重大天災台風那等於是由這個災情發布以後我們可以透過各社區單位通知獨區的失能者障礙者把他們集中照顧這是要不然乾脆用這個辦法否則再多的區域不允許就像剛剛講的數字有增加沒錯 |
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好 謝謝王世堅委員令人感動的質詢 謝謝謝謝卓院長 各部會相關首長的列席 謝謝各位報應會我們休息五分鐘五分鐘之後我們繼續請葉元之委員質詢 |
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我們繼續開會 接下來請葉元之委員質詢陳育貞委員請準備主委好 請到院長麻煩再請主委院長備詢 |
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葉委員好院長好剛王世堅委員非常慷慨激昂他講到我們都過度保護加害人人權犧牲的被害人權今天我要跟院長一開始先談一個我覺得類似的狀況在校園裡面我覺得我們過度的保護欺負其他同學的學生的 |
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受教權而忽略了有一些很想好好讀書的學生的受教權我們先來看今天有一個這兩天有一個案例新北市有一個國小的學生四年級 |
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那他轉學在原來的學校打老師欺負同學後來經過協調家長把他轉到另外一個學校結果轉到那個學校第一天也是有類似的狀況就也是咬老師然後在一個月內對老師肢體攻擊對同學也是一樣甚至有女學生被欺負到邊吐邊哭這是最近的狀況但因為他必須要留在學校 |
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教育局好像有把它安排到教會去但是一下又回來這是國小的案例其實在國中跟高中也有類似的狀況在這半年來起碼我看到就好幾件有一件國中的 |
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國中的老師制止學生抽菸就被揮拳高中的部分也是很誇張有兩個高中生只是因為老師管教他他不服就毆打老師把老師打得頭破血流然後這兩個學生在學校也是頭痛人物小霸王記了八九之大過一樣在學校 |
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那當然是對老師跟對同學都會產生很大的影響那這個有一個兩年前的案例我不知道院長還記不記得也是在新北市土城發生的國三生的歌喉案那這個殺人的學生原本也是在一間國中然後後來也是被寄很多之大過轉學到另外一個學校結果在那個學校就發生了歌喉事件然後有一個很優秀的學生就不幸上升那我一直在想說這個問題到底要怎麼解決 |
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因為很多學生他留在學校他其實就不想在學校讀書然後常常影響別人影響老師 影響同學甚至於被記八九剛剛講八九次大過我有看過記十幾次大過的都繼續留在學校那跟我們以前受教育環境不一樣我不知道院長讀書的時期是不是跟我一樣我們以前三個大過就退學了所以大家對於記過 |
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不管是小過大過警告其實都還蠻在意的因為大家都想要留在學校可是現在已經完全沒有任何的嚇阻力所以有些學生還以被記大過記的多為榮會覺得反正你也不能拿我怎麼樣老師也懶得記了老師記大過不僅是達不到任何的效果而且還會自己要寫報告 |
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之前在教育文化委員會的時候我有跟部長建議我說我們應該要成立類似的一種中介的教育組織今天我也去盤點了我們現在現有的中介教育組織譬如說像中途學校中途學校是針對被害人這不是我們要討論的範圍然後像有合作式中途班資源式中途班還有像慈輝班 |
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這些都是屬於針對中錯生但中錯生他不見得他離開學校再回來他不一定會影響到其他同學跟老師因為他可能是因為就是不想讀書但他不會影響到別人可能回來之後怕會跟不上所以先去中途犯這也不是我們今天要討論的狀況高關懷班也不是我們今天要討論的狀況唯一有一點點類似的是矯正學校矯正學校就是如果你在學校有犯法了然後你就可以 |
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送到矯正學校去譬如說像敦平中學 城鎮中學麗智中學跟名陽中學這些學校可是我們今天要處理的學生是那一種還沒有殺人或甚至還沒有犯很嚴重的違規的情況之下他已經在學校嚴重干擾別人而且被記了很多次大過 |
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這個狀況我認為是要解決的因為現在在學校等一下我們會跟院長討論就是缺老師的問題其實某種程度老師的心情也會受到這樣的一個沒有管教權的影響所以院長你聽了我剛剛講這個狀況你覺得這算不算是在教育裡面一個急需解決的問題 |
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是的 或許他的因素來自於課業 家庭或是交友給他不同的壓力也有可能是他本身心理上的狀況所以我們一直主張 也是已經在做這種心理輔導的年齡層要往下降15歲以下的往下降院長 這個就是因為這些都已經在校園無效了 |
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所以才會出現這狀況這個是我們現在的機制你提到市所矯正學校那可能必須在刑法之後中間有一段空檔中間有一段空檔這段空檔要如何比拼起來一方面 院長其實我想到一個方法我有跟部長討論過因為今天您在這個絕對跟政治無關的所以希望您可以來支持 |
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就是我覺得可以找一些很有教育理念的然後的教育的一些民間協會由他來辦理這種類似中繼組織或中繼學校譬如說我就強烈推薦人本基金會因為人本基金會對教育很有理想用愛的教育用感化的又很有理念然後常常他們的訴求就是說沒有 |
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教不好的學生只有不會教的老師所以面對那些就真的會去影響其他同學的那些學生還不到犯法的時候我們先把他請他去交給人本基金會他辦的學校讓人本基金會好好的愛你的教育 |
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然後一方面人本可以發揮所長去感化他們另外一方面這些學生他可以繼續受教育然後在學校裡面想好好讀書的同學還有想好好教書的老師也可以暫時得到喘息 |
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我不知道院長跟你提這個建議你覺得怎麼樣部長那時候是覺得還可以啦我相信社會上不乏這種教育基金會或是關懷的團體組織那如果他本身內裡面有這樣的一個專業的人員我們施以一個共同的一個共識之後我們可以朝這個方向來想也許可以讓他到一個任何的地方去一個森林學校或是什麼學校裡面去讓他 |
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接觸不同的環境接觸不同的交友這真的很重要再跟部長再討論一下而且這是很急迫的問題因為我接下來要跟你討論另外一件事情就是我認為也是國安危機我們現在都在講掃紙化國安危機現在已經掃視化 |
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就現在老師缺老師你應該知道這個狀況教育一個很重要的支柱就是老師如果學校現在連老師都找不到的話要怎麼教育所以老師的問題我覺得是重中之重一定要解決老師為什麼會缺除了待遇之外其實部長不錯他有去找他有發現有一個是校士會議院長應該不知道什麼是校士會議應該是不曉得 |
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沒關係這個應該是不曉得反正他就是說校士會議就是說老師很容易被檢舉檢舉之後就要進入校士會議那因為之前很多都是人家有濫訴濫訴之後老師明明就沒有怎麼樣然後就被叫去調查一調查四個月四個月而且很多是匿名的主觀的那現在教育部已經要把它修正法律了變成匿名或沒有具體事項的是不能夠檢舉這件事情不錯可是還有另外一件事情就是其實很多老師很不平是說 |
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被莫名其妙亂檢舉像我上次有舉一個例子有一個網紅老師他因為在網路上常常發表跟教育有關的文章因為寫得很好所以很多人關注結果他就被莫名其妙檢舉說他有收業配他沒有收啊但是他就被送到校製會議裡面然後接下來好幾個月他要自己證明他沒有收業配那我們的刑法一般是無罪推定嘛 |
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如果說要控告人家的人要舉證但是在校事會議裡面是有罪推定變成老師要自己證明自己沒有做這個事有的時候還要花錢請律師所以我那個院長你會不會覺得校事會議很不合理你如果把這個問題改革了我跟你講很多老師會謝謝你 |
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舉證責任的這件事情我覺得應該比較要符合現在在形式上面的依據比較好雖然不是那麼嚴謹應該要這樣子你沒有做的事情無法舉證你要證明別人做的事情我自己沒有做的事情我沒有辦法舉證的意思一樣所以如果是這樣的話 朝這個方向感謝委員關心事實上我們在這段時間一直 |
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對校士會也提出了很多的具體的在未來的一個因為當時校士會的通過本來是針對不適任的教師他的行為已經違反到專業的一些承諾跟專業的一個行為的規範已經達到被解聘不續聘的這樣一個程度才進入校士會 |
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可是後來因為這個法令一執行以後大大小小全部都進校事會議所以我們也在年底之前也跟委員之前也在許多場合我們大概都公開承諾我們希望校事會議有許多的一些改善的一個方向也讓老師能夠更安心專心的來留在學校來指導我們學生第一個就是說不要爛數嘛你剛剛講的嘛第二個是調查的過程當中應該是無罪推定 |
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而不是說有老師一直在證明說自己無罪只要沒有涉及到等於說我們第一個會先判斷沒有涉及到這一個老師已經行為違反到解聘不續聘的這個階段他事實上就直接可能需要的是一個簡單的一個提醒或者班級經營上的這一個 |
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提醒或者甚至他有一些行為是本來我們考核規劃裡邊他是要進入到比如說他可能被申借或者被記過或者怎麼樣擇期他教學的改善今天沒有很多時間跟你講反正我是希望這是一個改革的方向而且這是一定要做的事情不然薛老師會越嚴重因為我聽到太多的資深老師就跟一些這個甚至考上教師證的那個學弟妹講說不要來這個行業了 |
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這個行業現在對老師很不友善把老師當賊如果說你被送到校士會議的話調查四個月會很難受很多人打退堂鼓這我還沒有講到待遇的問題光是教師環境我剛剛先講一個現在學生有時候對老師不禮貌打老師的老師沒有管教權的再來就是校士會議這都應該要解決還有我上一次總質詢的時候有針對校園安全其實剛剛我們講那個也是校園安全的問題 |
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有跟院長提過我們現在國中因為也謝謝教育部今年真的有增加國中有增加一個校安人員確實是有但是我覺得比例跟高中差很多因為比例是高中是六個班一個現在國中是六十班一個但我覺得校園安全的部分應該高中跟國中同等重要所以這部分是不是今年至少也再增加一個我們每一年往前推進讓我們校園安全更獲得重視 |
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院長可以嗎錢的問題對不對那我給你看一下我們現在那個我們現在看一下教育經費你看一下我們這幾年教育經費佔GDP的比例是越來越低2020年是4.71然後逐年遞減你看到2021 4.56到2024年已經是4.2那我真的覺得你在編總預算的時候教育應該多花一點 |
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我們很重視國防 這個我們當然沒有意見國防現在已經增加到3.32了嘛以前沒那麼高 現在增加3.32之後你會到更高據說不是有一個特別預算還要編到一兆三千億啊那教育經費能不能編多一點 |
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其實我們每年的經費都是往上調但是因為總計算的規模放大但是我們還是符合憲法的精神院長我跟你說現在因為 |
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我們大家等於是人民委託您去管理這個政府做資源的分配把收來的錢這麼多做一個分配你重視什麼哪個部分就會多一點以我們現在中華民國政府來講就是最重視國防所以國防的錢是最多的而且是多很多可是教育我覺得也應該是同等重要應該是同等重要社會福利的預算也是相當多至少我們秀出來的數據在GDP的部分就是越來越 |
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越來越遞減其實我真的認為教育金額可以多一點如果講國安當然國防是國安的一環教育也是沒有好的教育 沒有好的老師沒有足夠的老師我們的生產力我們的教育程度都會受到影響所以這個錢不能省教育是培養人才的根本對 你也知道所以校園裡面的環境除了友善之外我覺得尊師 |
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這個教育還是要把它重新的貫徹到學生身上尊師當然一部分就是校園環境改善另外一部分就是你要給人家應有待遇啊有時候老師也不是覺得說好像我差這一點錢而是一種尊重嘛這個我們近期會來做考試剛剛講的那個校園安全 校園能力啦是不是可以再規劃一下我們今年已經有起碼增加一個嘛 |
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現在一個 現在一個就是六十班一個 六十班一個市長 院長也一直都非常關心也要我們提一些因應這個整個學校老師或者社會的一個發展的一個挑戰怎麼樣去支持學校的一個教育的一個很好很好 我覺得非常良性的溝通那如果是這樣的話 |
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校安的人力幫我們增加好不好這個今天如果沒辦法立刻答覆看是不是可以一個月給我們一個回覆好不好請教育部再來綜合考量未來的實施的如果針對那個校安人力的部分啦校安人力的部分一個月給我們一個篇幅這個輔導法也通過輔導的人力也都會增加OKOK 那你就一起然後再來還有一個啦老師缺老師之外現在學校裡面也缺行政職啦 |
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我跟院長跟部長報告一個我聽說一個學校狀況有個公立高中他們組長行政的一個組長一般的組長的招聘是這樣先找正式老師來兼正式老師如果不願意兼的話就找代理老師第一次招生第二次招聘的代理老師要有教師證的如果都招聘不到的話你就開放給有大學學歷的就可以來做他即便是不是學教育的就可以來做 |
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那一個高中後來就是因為都招不到所以後來就聘了一個有大學學歷的來做那個組長結果做了一個月發現學校環境跟他想的完全不一樣就離開了結果後來又招聘另外一位一樣的也是一個月就離開現在也是第三位那我覺得比較很特別的狀況就是實際上學校裡面各組的 |
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有一些幹事 公務人員他是教育行政公務人員他可能在那邊已經十幾二十年了很資深他對於一個大學剛畢業的年輕人來說他絕對是比較熟悉業務的結果他要當他們的部署然後是由剛畢業的來當他的主管 |
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這就是因為體制的限制就是我們把它限制住了就是說組長一定要由老師來兼任那我當然我也知道說你有你的考量是說有一些組是不是應該要有教學經驗的人來兼任行政職可能對於學校一些規劃會比較妥善可是問題是我剛剛講那個狀況跟你們實際上的理想是有很大的落差 |
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所以現在學校大家不願兼行政當然也有很多的問題第一個是可能行政佳績也很低那要做的工作很多然後再來就是大家真的沒有那個意願所以我這邊有具體幾個建議這個人事行政總署那個人事長也可以上來第一個請人事長 |
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第一像我剛講那個狀況幹事你就可以由幹事直接來監來代理組長了嘛那你會說那幹事不夠啊學校繼續開缺啊開教育人員的教育行政缺嘛這第一件事情嘛第二個就是 |
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我們把那個學校裡面的行政加擠提高啊因為現在行政院為了要平衡中央跟地方的那個直系 那個值等嘛 對不對所以不是要提高地方政府的值等嘛院長你應該知道吧因為大部分的公務人員都跑到中央去嘛因為值等差很多嘛 |
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那同樣道理如果我們希望把人才留在學校的話那學校行政職質等也可以提高啊我們現在國小的校長職等還九職等欸九職等大概就是科長在公務機關就科長高中是十職等才是檢任的第一階段而已你如果把職等提高第一個他公務人員的位階提高了第二個行政家級也提高嘛 |
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還有一個就是還有一個建議 具體建議就是如果學校裡面有一些組長他不必然一定要教學經驗的人來兼比如他跟課程規劃或教學無關的你開放給公務人員教育行政的來做我舉例來講 比如說資訊室比如說健康組 |
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這一種有一些你一定可以盤點出來那些是跟教學無關的那你就開放公務員來做那又讓老師專心去授課而行政的部分就由專業有數的公務員來兼而且是他的經驗可以累積的不會換來換去的那我覺得多多少少可以解決現在行政大逃亡問題這個部分先請院長回答一下吧 |
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先講一下我再做原則說明沒有沒有 院長你聽一下因為我剛剛因為我跟你講有的下面的原則是我是認為說看現在的制度如何 |
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那在學校裡面的行政人員他或許跟教學有關無關可是另外一個他會不會跟學生直接接觸有關那這個如果有關的話你剛剛講的健康如果跟學生直接接觸有關他可能需要有一些所以我的意思是說你們去盤點因為那個制度已經僵化了他太久沒有改變都一直嚴格嘛 |
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一直沿用嘛然後我們現在遇到的問題嘛那我有沒有看到政府去解決嘛所以我才提出我的想法出來那我不是說你一定要每一個都像譬如說院長你盤點之後你覺得這個一定要老師我沒有意見可是總有一些行政職是可以由公務人員來做的那就讓老師專心去教書對我的意思是這樣我覺得你這構想你現在覺得怎麼樣 |
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我就可以考慮 那人事長說明一下謝謝委員 那委員事實上在前天也跟我們指教那時候你就說你要找教育部啊之前我問教育部 教育部說要找人事總署啊那今天總執行剛好院長在嘛所以院長剛好就可以大家就可以一起來把這個問題來解決啊就不用推來推去了嘛 |
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我們會一起解決那也答應委員我們在一個夜以內先把我們盤點的這些第一個階段的資料提供給委員參考因為委員裡面提的有些東西我是覺得可行那我們針對某些部分我們看要如何來進行 |
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因為這裡面還有牽涉一個部分是屬於地方政府要引起我們第二階段再跟地方政府溝通你們政策訂出來如果覺得該做的就要去跟地方政府協調啦不是說任市長跟教育部長推來推去然後中央跟地方推來推去那教育的問題永遠都存在我們現在是要解決問題因為任市長上次就說要找教育部 |
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然後我之前講教育部教育部說要找人事總署然後現在說中央我們要找地方那問題就永遠存在我們最好就大家坐下來一起把問題解決啦好沒關係我已經得到人事長的承諾了那院長在旁邊有聽到嘛所以這個事情你也認可嘛 |
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他們去部長跟人事長去談一談為現在的制度怎麼去改善其實我覺得這個層級要拉到行政院層級因為這個問題現在很嚴重因為講真的除了國防那些你比較重視的事情之外教育希望你多花點心思去關心最後該決定的時候我會做決定因為這個問題很嚴重這個不是也可能你平常沒有在注意這一塊因為教育比較沒有那麼政治性但是你關心一下我覺得大家會很感謝你 |
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然後再來就是行政人員為什麼現在不願意做因為行政莫名其妙的工作太多所以要做行政減量這個提醒我也建議有很多像有些不該老師做的事情應該可以找別的資源比如說交通導護應該可以讓老師免件這個部分一併考慮好不好就是行政減量公文報告 |
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我對這一個事實上還有討論的空間因為就小學老師來講 |
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其實我們的國民教育裡邊的目標教育目標很清楚 得志體情美也就是說我們教小孩子不是只有學科知識我們怎麼樣讓他養成良好的習慣還有怎麼樣跟人家同學溝通很多的一些人際的互動許多的良好的這個都很棒 理想我都很支持但是理想很豐滿 現實很骨感很棒 沒有人說不好但是要真的問題我們都提出來都是具體的問題 |
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具體問題要解決啦講口號好啦我知道我都知道我都知道我們一起來努力啦然後接下來我來看一下因為剩下時間不多那個院長跟你請教一下最近經濟部說要推一個叫做什麼商務會展卡這個東西我覺得非常奇怪他是說如果說有來參加會展的人呢 |
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會給他一個悠遊卡然後裡面會儲值兩千塊然後這兩千塊就等同現金他可以拿去搭車然後可以拿去超商買東西百貨公司購物還可以去餐廳吃東西還可以景點門票都可以這個方案我先問院長一個問題你覺得一個商務人士來台灣他花不花得到兩千塊 |
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這不是他花不花的而已這是代表我們在推升內需當中把觀光列為一個重大的產業當中辦理國際性的會議跟展覽他們來之後我們給他有一種重視他 歡迎他的感覺那我去美國假設我們去日本去他怎麼都沒有給我兩千塊 |
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他們也有不同的機制各國都有不同的機制啊一般來講外國的人他們到我們這邊參加會展一定都花到兩千塊嘛絕對超過兩千塊我這邊有數據啊 |
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等一下我還沒講完他已經收兩千塊那你現在你給他這兩千塊讓他去吃東西你讓他去買東西其實你就只是把比如美國人他把他花的錢變成我們台灣人幫他花而已這個促成不了任何的經濟效益就好比說我今天比如我去日本部長我還沒有講完好不好不要打岔好不好你不要心虛 |
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我去日本我本來花我自己的錢我要花兩千塊結果日本我一去日本就給我兩千塊我就太高興了日本人給我錢我花他們的錢我沒有刺激到我沒有幫助那邊的經濟效益 |
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所以當然來這邊就要讓他們花他們的錢怎麼會台灣人編預算給他們錢讓他們來花呢我們希望他搭乘我們的交通工具去到我們適合他來消費的地方來刺激他我跟你講你2000塊是他就是把他原本要花拿來扣而已哪一個外國人來這邊不會用到2000塊我們是用小的金額來讓他多留一天2000塊他會多留喔你不要開玩笑好不好你不要開玩笑了啦這個政策就是亂花錢各國對於觀光客 |
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好謝謝好謝謝好謝謝岳言之委員的質詢謝謝左院長各相關部會首長備詢謝謝接下來我們政黨質詢最後一位我們請56號陳玉珍委員請發請質詢來謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[971].start |
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37123.494 |
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我想我們請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢院長謝謝因為我知道你等一下有事情如果我的問題多是名聲議題你可以很簡單明快地回答說不定我們也用不到25分鐘好 |
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這個連續假期的時候金門喔 以前連續假期喔都這個颱風啊 起霧的時候金門喔 大家常看新聞金門都是這個像去金門大家都說是金門三日遊變關島五日遊啦然後就非常辛苦對我們觀光形象影響也很大 |
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那時候也都 三節的時候也都很難拿到票很難買到票 居民 連居民也很難買到票我們居民要提早去定位 好像搶票非常辛苦連續假期 連節說要返鄉我們有時候說 這個你們要解決 希望你們解決但是現在 事情已經嚴重到不是連續假期才發生 |
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我想昨天總統去澎湖你們有沒有看到相關的新聞賴總統去澎湖的事情有看到嗎對不起 前幾天去澎湖澎湖發生了連續假期平日現在不只假期平日連機票也買不到金門也是一樣現在連平日連一張機票也買不到 |
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這個機票這個東西多重要 這個交通在觀光客來講 他是觀光旅在當地老百姓來講是基本人權行是一個基本人權更何況澎湖跟馬祖有船我們金門還沒有客輪可以到台灣來我讓你看一下金馬 新馬 澎湖之前上次我直訓的時候院長您說要研究 對吧讓金門有一條新金門輪現在進度怎麼樣 一年了 |
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跟委員報告因為院長有交代我們還是希望說朝向這個藍色公路就是用國家用航港局他們來建制你們這個金門輪未來金門有需要或馬祖有需要沒有需要嗎有需要的時候就可以去支援你研究結果金門有沒有需要 |
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都有需要 那什麼時候幫我們開始做如果由一個縣來養一艘船會非常的辛苦澎湖跟馬祖都有啦新台馬輪跟澎湖輪都有 金門沒有我清楚 但是您在金門應該也很了解一般如果我們要用客輪的話大家其實比較不喜歡啦有些還是希望飛機嘛那現在連飛機也沒位子啊 |
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那船的部分我們現在正在建置藍色公路也就是說交通部來購買船所以請問你這個什麼時候會研究出來什麼時候可以開始實行這個藍色公路這一段那什麼時候可以開始編預算準備要買船什麼時候編預算 |
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明年就編預算就是1102022年的預算編進去喔但是船需要兩三年的這個購置的期間你已經有編制預算了嘛編那個預算要做這個新就是藍色公路這個金門啊花蓮這些備援的嘛我們今年藍色公路雖然還沒有買到船但是我們用租船的方式已經開始在走在養育量 |
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4點多就有100多個人在排後部 |
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凌晨四點喔現在這個情形已經快變成每天的情形了我那天到機場後來我到機場去的時候五六點的時候這種互補很嚴重啊 排不到位子不是說去觀光旅遊啊是回家 回家也不是說是普通上班回家這種回家我在那邊的時候有一個阿嬤她九十一歲啦她女兒七十一歲開出病危通知她沒有辦法回家看她女兒一九十一歲 她女兒七十一歲 |
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等不到機會就是等不到機會因為每一班都是客滿都是客滿的沒有位子我們還在那邊協助啊那他的其他的那個那些那個女生的那個兄弟姐妹也要一起回去因為他那個就他的女兒已經開病危了回不去啊那那個前一天晚上那天有好幾組我實在是那天晚上那天前一天晚上經過一個女教師發生車禍啊半夜被車酒駕的撞死 |
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哥哥姊姊家人在台灣哥哥姊姊要回去幫忙去地檢署辦那個香宴啊什麼辦後事啊辦什麼沒有辦法回去沒有飛機位這個情形現在幾乎每天在發生啊要回去奔喪的要到台灣癌症要開刀什麼都沒有飛機位那總統前一天去澎湖說澎湖現在也是發生了說一票籃球金門也是一樣啊那總統說他答應澎湖要幫澎湖解決那我昨天講這個也是很重要的事情你可以答應我幫金門解決嗎 |
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我們一起努力幫金門解決如果有這麼多的回家或是旅客表示這個市場是活絡的你知道金門這個航線台金航線的在客率去年有多少嗎那航空公司的部分我們應該要去協調有多少你知道嗎我跟你講85%這個還不包括如果沒有飛機的時候你看旁邊的顧立雄幫我們多少忙 |
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軍機就一直飛一直飛一直飛一直飛但軍機畢竟是做國防的嘛對不對我們也不是說希望每次都要用到軍機嘛但是沒辦法就是不夠啊連軍機飛都還不夠呢跟委員報告金門因為這幾年你也很清楚小三通越來越多人小三通為什麼會這樣我跟你講這個我就不想再提了為什麼很多人都透過金門走小三通為什麼因為你們就不開放讓這個台灣地區的老百姓自己就 |
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飛啊 你們就要什麼 船客什麼 傘客可以 船客不行啊所以他們就到這裡 講實話叫做跨層我已經重新問過去了我不研究那個比較複雜的問題我是想說我們也歡迎很多人從那裡經過但是我們的基本的交通人權不能被剝奪 |
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因為每一件到我這邊陳情安都是生離死別我們每天都感受到這些民航局 我要講幾個事情民航局其實很幫忙我們每次親自跟民航局一直拜託一拜託到現場去航空公司也很幫忙大家會盡量來調航班或者是擴大機那你說有時候沒飛機我請求你華信航空 華航有大飛機每天調一台來飛今天都飛那個小飛機 |
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華航是國家的航空啊商業活動有比人權重要嗎 |
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放大機型的工作我們也有在做啦對啊 你就固定做啊不要每天我們去反應做一次我們去反應做一次啊因為這已經變成是一個常態了嘛這個第一個 第二個相當於臨時的事情建立一個緊急惠普的機制 公開的就是說如果金門人有事情優先嘛 台灣也有要去金門的啊小三通要過去啊 那邊等啊金門也有嘛 優先惠普機制嘛 這個可以嗎 |
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這個我們需要討論一下我要跟航空公司來討論這個我跟航空公司討論過了技術上沒有問題 也有一個政策特定身份的優先我們要全盤考慮 這個有現場秩序的問題沒有現場秩序的問題 這個登記的時候你填你是金門人 還不是金門人到時候看你有沒有身份證 |
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非金門的居民也是說他有急事的時候會被在現場秩序來打亂到你還是要去登機候補的只是說比如兩個金門人候補一個台灣人可以候補兩個金門人這樣你整體看一下技術沒有問題啦技術沒有問題這個不然你看你想這是我幫你想的方法不然你告訴我有什麼方法不然你從華航調大飛機來部長跟航空公司好好的去溝通 |
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增加或是擴大機型這個馬上可以做的85%的達成率這還不算百分之百的這個國軍的飛機飛下去每一年每一個節每一次颱風每一次連節都要拜託國防部來飛飛機這個很嚴重因為已經不是不是說去來觀光旅遊是基本人權都沒有生離死別都永遠沒有還有結婚的也沒有辦法回去到底要怎麼辦他已經前兩個月訂了已經很早了吧 |
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OK 好 這個請要幫忙解決那總統既然在澎湖可以承諾我想院長你也是愛民如子啊應該可以幫我們解決吧我想總統在澎湖承諾的意思就是告訴行政院所有離島的問題我們都要解決一樣嘛 對不對好 那總統我想對於離島你們應該沒有差別待遇吧對於澎湖基本沒有嘛 對不對好 總統還在澎湖承諾了來 要做一個腫瘤中心 |
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那我請教 這個問題呢 金門要做一個腫瘤中心啊總統在三菌腫瘤中心要做一個腫瘤中心在澎湖讓癌症的病患可以在地治療 離島的問題都是一樣的金門也是一樣啊 金門現在都沒有啊每一年 去年有800多位鄉親申請癌症的醫療交通 |
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補助800多位去113來我講完然後呢每一個人到這裡來治療要住宿要交通要對不對5到10萬都要錢嘛是不是那我們去年就我舊奶婆是去年我舊奶婆就一直講啊新政府也一直講啊以前我也問過蘇貞昌院長為何不一直在評估啊 |
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那你看總統去一下這個澎湖馬上就說一定解決我們是全面在檢討台灣各縣市包括離島現有的醫療資源有不足的我來補充那金門的部分部長來做說明跟委員報告這個我們金門的部分一直在強化他的醫療量能包含CD、MRI還有心療法人士都有了腫瘤的部分也可以在這邊做化學治療我知道化療沒問題啊 |
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放射線嘛因為我們現在如果有放射線治療就不應該被重視嗎不是 應該跟委員報告因為放射線的治療現在進步非常快沒錯非常的快那你還說總統要總統答應在總統賴總統答應在澎湖做一個來來賴總統答應在澎湖做的話賴總統答應是放射腫瘤中心喔賴總統答應就是沒有來來來 部長 |
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戴總統答應說要在博物桌放射腫瘤治療那戴總統是醫生耶那醫療一直 我也知道這個事實上我討論過這個放射一直進步啊 沒錯啊那放射器一直進步的情況下所以要新的吧所以事實上比較不適合在那個做你的意思是這樣子嗎不是不是 因為它進步很快啊你投資下去之後用的少 因為病人 |
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對 沒錯 因為你找到人這樣樣子太很多 你到本島來有需要的時候你現在是打你賴清德嗎賴總統說三軍總醫院澎湖分院要設立放射腫瘤中心讓罹患癌症的病人可以在地直接治療不必前往本島接受醫療服務那你是不是要跟賴清德說澎湖也不應該設這應該也是會評估啦 這也會評估所以現在賴總統說的有可能不會實現就對了你意思是這樣子嗎 |
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腫瘤的照顧我們你告訴我目前澎湖也是有這個化學治療也是在進行進入到這個放射線的部分我們也都要評估是哪一種哪一種是我覺得你是一個不錯的這個不錯的這個部長嗎這是部長嗎怎麼跟我以前看到長不到像我在維吾爾維吾爾的時候好像如來如笑臉 石部長不要認錯人 石部長 |
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我知道他以前當那個署長我在衛房委員會我現在是不想害你因為那總統說要做你現在說要評估你是說澎湖也要評估總統是醫生出身他對於醫療的均衡非常的重視他認為這個地方的人口數他的醫療量能達到什麼程度他必須做到什麼程度我們會用均衡的發展來看 |
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他已經承諾要在澎湖做了你們不要打臉他我沒有要求什麼我要求跟澎湖一樣公平就這樣子你不能說澎湖的立法委員是民進黨你就做吧我們會一起評估會不會因為澎湖來來來院長會不會因為澎湖的立委是民進黨的啊信長是民進黨的啊不會不會嗎我們金門都不是民進黨就不做不會吧不會 |
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不會嘛 都是屬於中華民國國家的領土內都是國會議員 我們同樣尊重所以在澎湖可以做如果我們的條件跟他一樣就我們的人口各方面都可以他能做我們也應該要公平嘛 對不對我就求公平而已啊 |
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我們會從均衡來佈置台灣建部台灣整個的醫療之餘那在這之前因為這東西還要一段時間你們研究好久了 已經六年了在這之前是把我們後送的機制包括後端的部分在相關的費用要跟我們支持 |
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送到台灣來治療或是各方面因為離島到本島來到台灣島來治療的時候是很辛苦的每一年你知道嗎一直要每個月來很辛苦很辛苦然後做好治療的時候做完治療的時候你還沒有飛機回家你要從早上等到晚上 |
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非常非常辛苦離島居民是真的很苦我請大家將心比心我們剛剛院長說都是在中華民國領土內範圍內你都會一致公平待遇我也就很想問這個問題中華民國的領土範圍我不是要問你政治問題我先問一下這個根據我想問一個禁限制水域的問題他是在管制大陸還是在前置金門的漁民根據兩個人民公約條例第28條的規定 |
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為什麼海委會沒有自己上來時間暫停 陳委員需要沒關係 他們不放 只要議長可以回答就好 不用他可以回答就好了 來中華民國船舶航空器等等喔在中華民國的船航空器或其他運輸公路經主管習慣時刻可以航行到大陸地區嘛你注意聽一下這個大陸 這有法律規定請問這個大陸地區怎麼定義 |
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我們現在除了台澎金馬是中華民國領土之外屬於中華人民共和國的我們都認為他是大陸地區那現在哪裡 |
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各個地方不一樣以金門來講的話只要在我們的禁限制水域外根據韓式的話國防部所公告的禁限制水域外因為中國就說那個是他們的領海所以那個地方被界定為是大陸地區這個是法律問題我想部長也是法律專家國防部上來一下好了 |
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你說剛剛管秉主委回答是說因為中共認為那是他們禁憲制水位是他們的中共中國大陸認為禁憲制來看一下禁憲制水位這條線讓你們有點概念 |
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金門的禁限制水域這一條看一下這國防部畫的這很久以前畫他的目的當初國防部的公告民國93年他的目的是為了第五點未經許可進入限制或禁止水域之大陸船舶他是要讓大陸船不能進來我們這裡所以畫了這條禁限制水域根據剛管主委的意思是說因為大陸他是說大陸認為那邊是這條線以為是他們的領海 |
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所以我們不能過去 主委你的意思是這樣子嗎你剛剛是這樣說的嗎那個是大陸地區這個的定義那以韓式而言 在金門 馬祖大陸地區的定義是依韓式是這樣的定義韓式是怎樣 說一下應該是兩岸人民關係條例的主管機關兩岸人民關係條例 韓式就是我想知道金門跟馬祖的線就是在國防部公告的限制水域外 |
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這樣規定你告訴我你把法律告訴我哪一條我很想知道是哪一條韓式你唸給我聽哪一個韓式你唸給我韓式我再把文字跟你講一下你要確定你說的是對的因為我有查相關資料 |
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你唸一下那個韓式的內容給我民國法務部89年法務部有一個韓式但是以金門馬祖而言國防部的這個韓式我們根據國防部的這個憲政水域你把韓式內容唸清楚一點你慢慢講法務部有一個韓式你說什麼我們對於一般的漁民 |
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不會擾民那基本上基本上這個總共的案例一百幾百個移民被你們沒有沒有沒有幾百個錯了沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有我們查的資料總共一百一十一年到現在最多的是在COVID-19的時候我們比較嚴因為我們要避免 |
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那個時候比較嚴所以那個時候只有99個人總共才17艘船總共才17艘船妳講這麼細 左院長聽不懂來 我們先全部都是走私去年以後全部去年以後9艘 |
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去年有九騷跟九案全部都是走私你等一下喔如果走私我絕對不會包庇請你用力抓你先不要插嘴我把它講完因為貴婦獎上來以後全部都是走私你不要插嘴我把它講完如果走私請用走私條例去辦他們你們現在不能這些人可是一區兩岸人民關係條例有兩岸人民關係條例你先聽我講一下好嗎 |
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法律懲治人民罪行法定主義你要由他違法嘛如果走私你就用走私去辦他百分之一百贊成走私辦走私聽我講完我要說你錯在哪裡走私你用走私辦今天這一百多位你聽我講完好不好主席他一直不讓我講話差我時間我時間還給他留五分鐘時間暫停 |
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你聽我講我是要讓院長了解這個情形我沒有說海委會做了什麼事情不對或是對我們在談討 我在談的是法律問題我開始 你先聽我講法律問題但是事實也很重要 委員的那個印象故詐部長在這裡他是律師出身如果他違反走私 你用走私條例辦他你們現在辦的全部都是叫做什麼違反兩岸人民關係條例辦 |
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如果他要走私 你用走私做他應該的 百分之一千應該的那他違反兩岸條約的原因是什麼你們的 我跟你講法院啊 地檢啊 或是各方原因的理由是什麼因為他說 我們舉法你先聽我講完好嗎 可不可以不要插嘴我要讓院長了解這個情形我想讓你們整個跨部會去了解這個情形 |
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因為你們說跳過那條金線之髓就是走出去就是違反兩岸聯盟關係條例那我請顧部長這是你們國防部國防部長未經許可進入大陸地區對嘛你聽我講未經許可進入大陸地區好 |
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這個近縣之水域劃定是光復化的它當初的目的是要為經許可進入近縣之水域之大陸船舶它是要不讓大陸船進入到我們金門的近縣之水域不是不要讓金門的船劃定之前不讓我們出去啊如果金門漁民要捕魚的話現在都是這樣子 |
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不用啊 開開 魚油車超出那條線就不能補如果這樣兩岸人民關係條例要修掉你聽我講完 我有看你先不要講 因為我最後還是要讓你們去研究我請顧部長看 這個是國防部公告他是 他要處罰是大陸傳播不是台灣地區拍風接馬的人他的處罰主體是大陸傳播好 第二個 你們處罰的理由你們處罰的理由是說 |
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違反兩岸人民關係條例根據兩岸人民關係條例第29條這個是規定禁止大陸的傳播管大陸不能進來好 那出去的部分呢他們處罰來 處罰是原因觸犯第28條28條就是說這個28條是違反兩岸人民關係條例第28條28條在這裡28條說的就是說 |
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大陸地區 你剛剛說的金門的漁民如果出海捕魚用這條 你們海巡用這條辦如果金門的漁民或是用那個觀光釣魚船的那種觀光船出去你們就說 因為他們都跟著魚跑那魚如果跑過那條線 你看一下28條中華民國船舶 什麼點點點 要經過主管那個部長 部長請你看一下 他是經過主管徐坤希的德航行到大陸地區那現在就這些船 |
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還有會認為說這些漁民沒有經過許可所以他們走到大澳地區所以我剛才問說你先聽我講完我才問說那大澳地區的定義在哪裡嘛大澳地區是你管碧玲定義說這條線以內是台灣地區那條線以外是大澳地區嗎不是我定義的我們根據韓式不是我定義的我們根據韓式就是每一個法律在適用的時候他必須要進入很多第一個我麻煩你就是從他的適用 |
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對 你聽我講 因為你這樣一直搶我沒有辦法把它敘述很清楚好不好因為我特別請國安部長上來的原因是因為這樣的事情 因為你這樣子如果齁 我認為齁 如果那一位委員說是我定義你聽我講完什麼地區 中華民國領土到哪裡不是你定義好不好這個東西有一個叫做中華民國的有一個法律的 這個叫做 |
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臨海及臨街區法這個也不是你說了算也不是我說了算這個是有法律的請按照法律行事嘛你要處罰人民你要法律嘛 |
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我想請問而且你剛一直說走私你用走私辦他我完全不反對問題是今天不同的犯行不同的犯行依不同的法律來處理所以你剛不要扯到走私走私你一定要抓我跟你講你開到大陸地區同時也有兩岸人民關係條例的問題同時也有兩岸人民關係條例的問題兩岸人民關係條例如果你認為這個區域是我們那條線裡面是我們以外是他們他們開到那邊去如果他們走私大陸也會抓我跟你講 |
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大陸也會抓 你不用擔心 大陸也很嚴格也會抓113年以後到現在只有9個案 |
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現在100多個案子沒有 那個是在COVID-19的時候我們真的必須延後 因為要禁止接觸這個案子為什麼會到我們的澄清案上就是因為它已經有100多個案子在COVID-19的期間比較多 那時候也只有99個案子總共就是99加999加9 100多個 |
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但是如果我們的取締不對主管機關不會裁罰那如果我們所做的依法主管機關認為我們依據不對所以你覺得這是主管機關所以我才說這個是法律問題我們是期待執法的主管機關期待立委會所以院長我今天要特別請您跟部長上來因為這公安部這個我想 |
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請你們回去告訴我因為我們時間很早我要跟你們探討這個問題第一個進縣之所以就是我們的大陸地區跟台灣地區的這個交界嗎是金門跟馬祖但是在其他的地方就不是這樣了委員你先聽我講完我要問院長然後我要請你回答因為這整個問題不是一個問題我把問題問完好嗎我會讓你回答好嗎我會讓你回答 |
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第一個問題 這個大陸地區是你說韓式吧 請給我嘛我也歡迎你給我嘛 這個沒問題問題是這個大陸地區跟台灣地區的這個分界是由一個韓式或者由一個部會來決定嗎這個是第一個問題 這是法律問題 |
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38586.31 |
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第二個有一個法律如果有一個法律當地的老百姓這麼多人不停的在違法我不是說走私喔沒有 沒有很多一百多個 今天有多少移民啊一百多件案子還不多那個COVID-19的時候我們真的必須要執法來避免接觸跟傳染但是那之後我們沒有對一般的移民造成擾民我跟你講 你說沒有齁到時候我請移民來開會你們來 你也來開會就知道有多少移民的反應了 |
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38587.091 |
| transcript.whisperx[1036].end |
38606.877 |
| transcript.whisperx[1036].text |
如果這麼多人會違法基本上沒有那麼多移民啊今天沒有這麼多人會違法我們是不是要考慮到這個法律的適用上面發生了什麼問題您了解嗎法律也是與時俱進我來請主管機關回答你可以不要講我請院長回答好嗎我要請院長回答剩下沒有幾秒鐘第一個就是說這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].start |
38608.837 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].end |
38634.707 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].text |
淨限制水域他應該是限制當大陸船不要來我們這裡你怎麼先把漁民限制把我們台灣地區的漁民限制不能出海捕魚呢如果你不要回來主席我一直不要讓他一直回來我是要跟院長講時間暫停你這樣浪費我時間麻煩不要搶稿要搶完嘛請繼續我沒有要件你現在回來你也不用一直爭辯我也沒說你做錯好不好研究法律嘛因為我們今天就是要我們要時間就是要給那個院長來跟我們回答嘛 |
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38636.472 |
| transcript.whisperx[1038].end |
38657.088 |
| transcript.whisperx[1038].text |
這個 研究一下這個法律是限制大陸人不要進來不是限制我們的漁民不能出海去捕魚漁遊出這條線他就不能抓第二個 如果這麼多人一直違反這個法律那這個是不是在法律的適用或是解釋或是各方面上是不是要做適當的改變我剛剛聽到委員說我們出去的漁船也會被大陸逮捕嗎當然啊所以我們要保護他 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].start |
38669.798 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].end |
38676.054 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].text |
麻煩行政院把陳玉貞委員要求的資料麻煩送一下陳玉貞委員辦公室好 非常謝謝陳玉貞委員的資訊謝謝主任長 相關部會首長貝勳謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].start |
38680.698 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].end |
38701.305 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].text |
好 報告委員會我們本會期排定政黨質詢的委員均已經質詢完畢再一次謝謝卓院長 鄭副院長各位列席的格委員一起來列席答詢也謝謝林倩琦委員一直在陪伴著我們一起參與今天的總質詢10月4號星期二上午9點我們繼續開會進行立法委員個人的質詢內政組之質詢我們現在休息 |