| IVOD_ID |
16997 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16997 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
黨團協商-2025102908 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-30T14:30:35+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-30T17:00:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
02:29:25 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
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| 會議時間 |
2025-10-30T15:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院黨團協商（事由：一、研商「樺加沙風災暨花蓮馬太鞍溪堰塞湖潰壩災後重建特別條例草案」等案。（國民黨黨團提議）二、研商「丹娜絲颱風及七二八豪雨災後復原重建特別條例第四條、第五條及第十條條文修正草案」等案。（民進黨黨團、國民黨黨團分別提議）） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
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14:30:35 - 17:00:00 |
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好 謝謝謝謝各位黨團幹部請坐請問民進黨團的柯總召好民眾黨團的黃總召 |
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OK 好的好的 我們等柯總召跟 等一下 張副總召一到我們就開始 |
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好 謝謝柯總召柯總召 麗玲 謝謝 謝謝謝謝陳書記長 謝謝謝謝好 柯總召來了 大家預備上安全帶綁好柯總召到了 |
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好 謝謝各位黨團幹部非常感謝謝謝各位列席的各位官員今天我們要來協商兩個題目一個是華家沙風災特別條例的制定案二是丹納斯颱風特別條例的修正案這兩案都是我們因應我們花蓮馬太安菸塞湖災後復原重建的事宜我們再一次要跟花蓮災區的朋友表達最高的致意我們三個黨團所有立法委員對於這一次已經有19位 |
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花蓮、光復鄉、菸塞湖罹難的以及失蹤五位、受傷157位大家都表示心裡非常的難過也希望生者能夠平安、逝者能夠安息我們基於這樣的一個心情以及責任來定定為了馬太安一些重建的事宜我們所有的黨團幹部即將要進行討論那現在要介紹一下今天我們列席的官員我們行政院阮副秘書長歡迎你 |
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行政公共工程會陳主任委員 歡迎您足跡總署陳副足跡長 歡迎您還有原住民副組委 股仲副組委 歡迎您環境部彭部長 歡迎您衛福部石部長 歡迎您我們司法院林廳長 歡迎您經濟部賴次長 歡迎您交通部林次長 |
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歡迎您農業部黃次長 歡迎您教育部劉次長 歡迎您內政部吳次長 歡迎您如果還有 |
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數位發展部的葉次長 對不起 歡迎您財政部的國庫署的陳署長 歡迎您法務部廖參事 歡迎您國家通訊傳播委員會陳代理主委 歡迎您文化部年副局長 歡迎您還有一個勞動部理事長 歡迎您 |
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有 第二個節目好 各位黨團幹部我們今天這兩個重要的題目因為影響到它我們今天要進行的非常大的一個區別一個是修正案 一個是制定案所以我要先聽一下各位黨團幹部請表達寶貴的意見請柯總召發言 副總召請準備 |
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院長 各位協商代表 各位列席官員 大家好今天這個協商的原因 我想院長也很清楚就是民進黨黨團有先前有發函請求韓院長協商那國民黨黨團也相對的也提出了要求韓院長照理協商所以我們今天大家都很清楚有一個共同目的就是說 這禮拜五剛好是宴會 |
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只要我們對兩黨朝野對於這個整個特別條例上有共識的話我們禮拜五是可以通過的那為什麼我要這樣講呢我相信沒有一個人就是說會阻擋這個大家都同樣的心情如今如後 |
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越近越好就是大家說要和諧就好所以這個目標方向都是一致救人救災之心大家都一致所以我今天才是很懇切的講就是說在這個大選者底下我們希望大家有一個共同的方向 |
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今天集體是和平的大家都是很快樂的很期待的心情來完成這個法案的協商只是之故要如何處理我想這個等一下待會請行政部門對於他提的修正案其實說明尤其對於整個裡面只有改一個嘛就是預算 |
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是提高到六百到八百五嘛我們建議行政院大概也清楚可能要到六百到九百大概請行政院說明國民黨他們的主軸或是副總召也是當地的立委他也很清楚他也很清楚他們的看法 |
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不管如果這兩個看法都是一致的只要都是方向的 都講好的話那禮拜五這兩個法案同時在議員通過那就功德也滿以上我代表民主黨代表民主黨表示我們的立場 謝謝好 謝謝柯總召大愛無私的發言 謝謝我們先請副總召發言 張啟凱副總召請準備 |
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謝謝院長今天的召集我要特別強調我們過去在立法院審查過非常多的不管是法律案的條例有非常非常的多各種性質不同都有那對於重建條例不管是在這個88莫拉克風災之後的條例20天 |
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朝野就把它修正完成過程中也沒有這麼多的間鋒插針也沒有這麼多的是是非非 網軍出動等等大家能夠同心來救災當然現在時空環境不同我們雖然在這麼艱困的環境之下我們也希望執政者本於對災區災民同理心即便大家不同的看法明天都能夠一併來處理因為我們就循民主的程序來進行 |
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即便有不一樣的邏輯跟看法但是都是為災民好我想這個依照相關的議事規則來處理完之後我們盡快把它公佈 盡快來實施那至於各個立場 即便在條文上看法有所不同甚至在條例的具名上有所不同我們覺得這個都是 |
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都為災民好這個都是都是可取的但是我要特別表達現在唯一不同的地方就是這是國內第一個艷澀湖釀成這麼大的一個不幸的事件這本身的性質跟旦那斯颱風有所區別那是一個風災把屋頂掀掉的風災 |
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而這一次的堰塞湖事件是水災而且是嚴重的水災這個水有到4米5米6米高的水造成這麼大的一個水災跟我們當時在討論這個丹納斯颱風淹水是30公分還是50公分那是完完全全性質完全不同的一個災情 |
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完全不同的災情我們要把它放在同一個條例裡面真的是有一點感覺有點漢格而且更重要的是光復鄉本身是一個原住民部落鄉親佔了超過一半的一個鄉鎮所以呢很多在部落上的一些協商跟溝通還要依照原住民的基本法 |
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來做相關的這些重建 部落溝通 這些工作都是跟台南嘉義的丹納斯風宅有很大的區隔而且在中華民國史上 夜色胡走造成這麼大的一個不幸的事件 |
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我們今天把它獨立出來 成為一個條例這更可以讓後人瞭解 在當時一個堰塞湖這麼大的一個不幸的災難不只可以留給我們的政府來做參考也給後人來做一個警惕所以呢 有它獨立性跟它特殊性 |
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跟他的民族各個民族的複雜性我們都要予以尊重所以我們才要把他特別獨立出來當然柯總召講的我們都尊重但是大家都是為災民好即便是在這個 |
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提案上有不同的看法我們就希望大家很理性的循民主跟法治法律的方式依照立法院國會的議事規則我們盡快來處理也希望禮拜五 明天不要讓在民再等了 今天第38天了不要讓在民再等 我們要盡快來完成立法的工作 |
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好 謝謝副總統的發言接下來張啟凱委員發言之後 持續上我會請提案的委員鄭天才委員以及提修正案的鍾嘉賓委員各自發言完就要請陳政委請您準備 好嗎沒有 我提修正案的 你們就派一個代表修正案 好不好好 那麻煩請張啟凱 張副總統請 |
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我們要先為花蓮的鄉親加油也感謝那麼多的產職超人、清瑜志工大量湧進花蓮復建、復原、重建的路非常漫長不要斷念我們非常感謝韓院長今天召集協商 |
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民眾黨有看到花蓮縣政府成立了花蓮縣政府災區復原重建中心由習政會縣長指示縣府10個單位派員進駐到災區提供整合便民的這個服務 |
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協助受災鄉親可以及時去解決各項生活跟重建的這個需求高達39項的服務我們認為這種一戰式的服務是非常重要的我們也希望今天的協商要做到中央提出來的特別條例是真的把錢用在刀口上面今天台灣民眾黨會提出修正動議目前 |
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國民黨的版本是另外提出一個特別預算上限是200億現在行政院是增加了250億國民黨金額是比較低的那行政院用追加的方式是比較快的那民眾黨會建議要尊重選區委員的說法重點是要迅速要辨明而且要公開透明充分尊重在地 |
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那民眾黨今天提的修正動議有三個重點第一個我們在第四條會要求把家園的清理支持跟復原慰問金明確的入法第二個我們要要求增加財政紀律每一分人民納稅錢要用在刀口上所以對於第五條增加250億救災重建經費為了維護財政紀律我們 |
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認為不要採取行政院用的所謂多年分期的編列方式應該改為按每一年來編列而且要送到立法院來審查另外第十條非常的重要我們不同意行政院藉由這一次的修正推翻了現行丹納斯颱風跟728 |
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好以災禍重建我們本來已經通過的實施的這個日期我們會非常堅持不要拖延重建的時間所以丹納斯颱風的這個災期復原重建所有的這個實施跟復原這個重建時間除了比較複雜的有線廣播電視系統水利設施這些項目 |
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要維持本來我們三黨都同意的本來已經通過的116年的12月31號其餘全部都必須在明年115年的12月31號以前要完成不要再拖延 |
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這民眾黨黨長非常的堅持至於比較複雜的花蓮馬太安縣政府這邊我們會同意因為他包括整個縣政府相關調查監測跟崩塌的這個整個要復原跟穩定啊需要時間比較長我們同意把那部分的時間最後的實施的這個期限延長到119年的12月31號 謝謝好 謝謝張啟凱副總召的發言接下來我們請鄭天才文發言 鍾嘉斌文請準備 |
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鄭天才委員是提案委員 鍾太平委員是提修正案的委員特別跟大家報告一下 請 鄭委員請好 院長 各黨團及中央各部會非常謝謝今天能夠召開這個協商也非常謝謝我們中央各部會這段時間 |
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到這個花蓮的災期非常多的相關的這些資源跟協助以及救助那今天特別條例會涉及到我們整個風災水災之後的一個 |
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情形所以這個部分我之所以會提這個認定特別條例而不是去修正丹拉斯風災的特別條例最主要的就是除了剛才副總召所提的之外很重要的就是說我們在之前的這個卓院長去視察之後也特別提到要解決這個馬太安吸菸攝服 |
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的霸體所以這個部分一定要列入這個條文所以應該要訂特別條例另外就是這個堤防的這個加固加高輸菌各方面都是原來的當然是颱風條例裡面所沒有的那另外就是說這個 |
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不是只有淹水還有淹了很多的土石所以這個部分是跟一般的水災也不同所以在這邊特別才會提出這個提案然後我也有另外經過這段時間 |
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災民所提供的意見之後我也提了再修正的動議在這邊等一下也請大家能夠支持 以上謝謝 |
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好 謝謝主席我想針對丹納斯跟華加沙不管他的特別條例他的名稱為何所施定的範圍為何時事的日期為何事實上特別條例的本質就是立法權 立法機關為了因應特殊的狀況 |
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同意賦予行政機關額外的預算額度在特別融通的權利去進行必要的災後重建工作所以基本上我們對於不管是丹納斯還是華家莎他的特別條例的這種屬性我們都必須先肯認就是由立法機關給予行政機關額外的授權包括預算跟執行的權利的差別因此在本席所提出的丹納斯特別條例當中我特別針對了 |
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第四條第四條的第二項對不起是第三項因為第一項一共有十款那第二項第三項那第三項的目的是針對第一項第一款那第一項第一款講的就是農業設施那農業設施在丹納斯的當中因為復原重建的項目當中如果說僱主可以聘僱符合因應受景氣影響勞僱雙方協商減少的工時 |
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這個是什麼意思呢就是因為受到美國關稅談判台灣蘇美市場波及的產業他可能有減班休息的狀況在這種情況之下所使用的勞動力尤其是移工那麼他可能呢可以將這樣的勞動力呢轉移來作為重建 |
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復原重建之所需那這當然因為相關移工的使用必須符合就業服務法的相關規定因此我們在這個特別條例特別允許在執行第四條第一項第一款就是農業設施的部分它的勞動力得不受就業服務法第53條第四項的限制由行政機關可以對它的運用原則另外制定規定 |
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那簡單來講,我們從7月開始,台灣的天災平仁,包括到現在的畫家沙所造成的花蓮光復香艷澀湖的災情,其實我們看到除了產值超人之外,它在災後復原重建的過程當中,不能夠只靠志工在那個時間的熱情,它也需要持續不斷的有勞動力的投入。然而大家都知道目前台灣的勞動力短缺, |
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但是在此同時這種出動勞動力短缺的情況之下卻也有產業它所用的移工是屬於在停班 減班休息的狀態那是我能將這樣的勞動力用來協助包括丹納斯 包括華家沙它的災區所需要的復健工作我們這裡特別提出附帶補充一點 |
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那麼這樣的文字的內容經過勞動部的審視他們覺得可以再做一些些許的調整那在這裡如果待會勞動部有報告那本席這個修正內容是同意由勞動部這邊作為更完備的一個整理那授予勞動部他可以在 |
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在符合實況的需求上不受既有法規的限制在一定期程內可以利用這樣的全面的權益措施來進速完成災區的災後復建 謝謝 |
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謝謝鍾嘉賓委員發言 麻煩請我們公共工程委員會陳政委員請表達意見好嗎 謝謝好 院長各位委員大家好行政院提出來的丹納斯風災的特別條例的部分條件修正草案主要是根據這個我們當初在協商丹納斯颱風 |
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特別條例的時候有通過一個附帶決議這個附帶決議就是說針對花蓮 馬太安溪 堰塞湖它的監測或者是疏洪 減災 防災 安置 工程要求行政院必須編列一算來進行這樣的工作 |
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所以後來行政院編列特別預算的時候就根據大院的附帶決議編了一億兩千萬要來進行映射壺的相關工作當時還沒有發生相關的災害所以我們認為原丹納斯風災的特別條例它本身就有法院可以來進行這一次因為馬太安溪映射壺的相關的災害的相關工作 |
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是可以進行的所以我們提的理由是這樣所以部分條文是有增加一些現在必須進行的比方說中繼屋啦或者是蘇郡啦或者是清瑜啦等等這些條文有增加另外呢這個上限呢希望能夠調整到850億就是說多250億 |
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那麼來用在這一次菸攝乎的相關災害的相關的工作那為什麼是250億呢是因為行政院各部門已經有要求各個機關啦已經提出他們的需求而且目前已經在進行中了 |
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比方說那個便橋啦 或者蘇郡啦或者是相關的已經在進行中了提出來整個估計大概是需要250億但是如果是大院覺得需要再往上提升到300億那麼行政院也會尊重 而且表示感謝這個是金額的部分 |
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實施日期為什麼會調到119年因為除了這些疏進變道橋樑工程之外有一項是關於雨水污水下水道的整理那麼這一次光護箱有一個災害是很嚴重的就是基本上房子當泥沙衝進去的時候通過馬桶幾乎每一戶的這個化糞池都已經都 |
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淹埋了 然後一些水溝 屋前溝 排水系統都已經堵塞了但是那個地方沒有污水下水道所以家裡的污水是排不出來的所以費了很大的力氣在整理所以我們認為說這次必須針對這一次的這種情形特別有編了設置聚落型的污水處理系統 |
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就是聚酪型的水資源處理中心那這些工作從土地取得規劃設計到完成包括相關幹管等等至少需要5年所以如果今年開始實施我們認為希望讓我們有機會來至少完成到發包發生全責所以需要做到119年主要是這個污水 漁水 |
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希望利用這個機會把關乎鄉的這個污水系統聚酪型的污水處理系統把它建立起來所以才有把時間特別能夠請求答應支持可以做到119年年底以上做說明 謝謝 |
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哇 社長謝謝喔 您讓我們 您包括讓我們更能理解問題有的複雜性跟嚴重性那各位黨團看 我想我們現在制定案跟修正案 黨團之間喔 還是有非常大的意見落差所以我建議一下 還要跟行政部跟我們溝通一下我們休息十分鐘 掌握黃金十分鐘十分鐘之後我們來決定 好不好我們私底下來溝通一下 我們先來休息 |
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好 謝謝 謝謝各位黨團幹部請坐 各位列席官員請坐現在大家已經達到一個初步的一個共識了好 大家請坐 接下來我們再一次麻煩我們政務委員陳政務委員能不能表達一下大家所有各黨團跟行政部門溝通的意見好嗎 請 |
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謝謝院長 各位黨團總召因為兩個案的差別是說行政院修正查案只侷限在這次花蓮受災的三個鄉鎮光復鄉 鳳林鎮跟萬榮鄉 |
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那如果原來相關提案有加上化家沙的話語域比較不明確會因為化家沙受災的各縣市會有所以我們希望能夠集中在花蓮這一次因為馬太安溪映射湖的受災這三個鄉鎮那如果說名稱不要化家沙那就只用在這個馬太安溪映射湖相關的這個受災區那這樣就好了那第二點就是說 |
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時間我們有幾項工程明年底沒辦法完成第一個就是我剛剛提到的這個聚酪型的污水處理中心那大概要5年才能完成另外水利署在做的現在這個馬太安溪的南岸就是這是淹沒的地方要做一個超級堤防那個超級堤防是現在是10米寬將來會做成50米寬的堤防另外再往外拓200米200米的這個蘇洪道 |
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就是差不多2到3公里長然後往外推250米那這部分牽涉到土地取得還有施工恐怕明年底沒辦法完成所以相關工程是不是能夠允許到119年這樣也許會比較好做以上來做報告好 謝謝陳市長寶貴發言我們請張祺凱 副總經理抱歉 請他看一下第10條 |
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我們上次坐在這邊後來宴會過的這個嘉義嘉義跟台南那一塊那個丹納斯我們要完成的這個時間那時候是從優從寬從速有一個從速所以整個整個台南跟嘉義地區那時候要完成的整個重建跟修復的這個時間 |
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是民國115年12月31號只有比較複雜的電力系統跟電信系統還有有線廣播電視系統跟水利設施我們延長了一年就是116年12月結果你現在這次用修正案你把它推翻就拖度啦 |
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我們同意花蓮、華家莎這一塊華家莎很清楚,要119年10月30日,這個沒有,我現在商黨沒有意見台灣民眾黨也同意我是說你不能夠去推翻台南跟嘉義那個丹娜士那一塊啦好不好,你現在把它改成什麼陳政委,你們現在把它改成什麼,117年的10月21號沒有31號,這樣不行,好不好我們同意花蓮的119,可是 |
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之前的丹納斯這一塊 時間要維持原來的 好不好好 謝謝 我們接下來請提案委員 鄭天才委員發言陳培鈺委員請準備我們現在國民黨團副總召請發言 |
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謝謝民進黨團 民眾黨團大家剛剛跟陳政委溝通以後我們取得一個共識因為畢竟這個性質還是差別差異蠻大的跟丹納斯颱風也方便讓行政院在整個重建的工作把它區分出來畢竟這是不同的區域 不同的工作結束的年限也都各有不同 |
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所以剛剛這個張啟凱副總召所提到的確實在台南嘉義是115年要完成12月31日要完成那個是丹納斯颱風的重建條例那現在就是對於這個花蓮馬太安溪艷澀湖潰壩災後重建條例的部分這個陳正偉是希望把前面那個華家沙風災計那個東西拿掉 |
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到風災季那個部分拿掉我們是競表同意我們競表同意然後成為一個制定案那制定案裡面我們要謝謝陳政委有特別提到這個整體的整體的這個重建原則上是116年底 |
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116年底重建的部分原則上是116年底那個超級堤防跟污水排水污水排水到119年底有比較完整的時間因為現在整個光復鄉的污水排水的部分現在是全部 |
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堵塞完全沒有辦法在現行的管路上再行打通所以要完全要全部重做所以我們也給行政院有一個比較比較一個能夠完整施工的時間所以這個部分我們也同意啊到119年底把整個污水排水把它完成好不好 |
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那名稱的部分就是那個畫家殺風災記那個拿掉好 謝謝那個我建議那個提案委員你還是說一下你的看法因為你是提案委員然後陳培育委員請準備好不好你簡單二頁請表達 政見待會兒見 |
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我就是謝謝啦謝謝這個剛才的協商齁能夠認定這個特別條例所以這個名稱的部分我就同意把這個這個前面幾個字拿掉就單純花蓮馬太安西煙社福那些後面 |
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好 謝謝陳培委員請表達一下好 謝謝院長我快速的說因為剛剛國民黨有發下修正動議第六條的部分我看到已經把劃定特定區域拿掉了非常謝謝鄭委員跟國民黨團的部分聽到受災民眾原住民青年的聲音但是有另外一個聲音等一下我們是不是可以用主決議的部分放進去就是希望在重建的過程當中如何把當地災民的聲音部落的聲音放進去可以持續參與討論因為現在的寫法裡面是沒有的 |
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那這個部分是不是可以看一下行政院這邊的回應我們也許可以用主決議的放入當地災民的聲音在重建過程當中因為部落的非常多特性跟文化其實跟我們非常的不同那如何尊重當地的文化跟部落聲音我相信政天才委員也會支持 謝謝好 謝謝陳培育委員的寶貴發言陳次長請再次發言請謝謝 我補充兩點 |
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這一次被土砂淹沒的農地大概有600多公頃600多公頃分成兩個一般受災的還有一個是嚴重受災的兩個一般受災的是40公分以下那一部分 |
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有可能會要進行重劃如果地方接受的話那這個重劃會需要取得這個人民的同意還有一些程序恐怕也不是明年底可以完成的那另外就是那個重災那一部分一定要跟當地的溝通到底要進行 |
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搬遷或要進行怎麼處理所以有關農田的部分剛才農業部也反應恐怕明年底也沒有辦法馬上把它執行完畢所以這部分懇請能夠也允許時間長一點就農地的改善的部分那最後一點就是大家可以接受如果名稱呢化家沙風災計這一部分沒有的話那麼是花蓮馬太安溪 |
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災後重建特別條例草案那是不是愧罷兩制是不是可以同意不要列在法案名稱就是花蓮馬太安溪驗社福災後重建特別條例草案是不是可以同意這一點 |
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OK 大家應該沒有意見阿謙 從那邊 從中央那邊請那麼我想今天我們其實協商有兩個標的一個是簡稱畫家莎現在要改名叫做馬太安那另外一個叫做丹娜絲那容我用 |
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用一個小小的圖來表達其實目前我們行政院版的丹納斯它是一個大園它涵蓋的範圍比較廣它的時間 它的區域都比較廣相關的內容也比較多那現在馬太安的部分是比較小的園 |
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那中間有重疊的部分所以我是覺得剛剛我們現在處理這個馬太安的這個部分呢聽起來行政院是認同我們目前所提案委員的版本包括啟程也是如此但是因為剛剛呢在我們民眾黨團的部分針對這個丹納斯的部分也有一些修正動議所以我在程序上是要請教主席是不是說我們這個馬太安的部分處理完 |
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那我們再來處理丹納斯的部分那這當中因為丹納斯跟馬太安有些重疊的部分我們在兩個案子當中會同時的去把它拉齊一致那其實剛剛副總召所提到的時程的部分工程會已經表達了那這個期程呢也待會會在丹納斯的時候同樣的那個期程那是不是我們請主席可以用這樣的方式呢來分別處理先處理馬太安再處理丹納斯 |
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馬太安的部分 我們當中所決定的修正在丹納斯有重疊的時候 也依照這樣的修正內容以上程序上的請示 |
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抱歉 如果剛剛大家協商的結果是要這個另訂特別條例那就沒有重疊的問題了因為這次出現一個很嚴重就是行政院去偷渡推翻了丹納斯之前的重建時間我再強調一下丹納斯重建的條件 |
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整體是這個整體我們明訂了重塑是要在明年底12月底前要完成只有比較複雜的電力跟電信廣播這一塊跟水利這一塊延了一年116可是這次你們在修正案的時候把這個推翻了那如果已經訂定條例了就維持原來的這樣就解決這是一個 |
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那你說要放在一起 那當然就是要維持原來那第二個 至於條文我要這麼堅持的原因是什麼剛剛陳政委有講嘛 你是要爭取爭取119年 原因是會有這個50米的這個超級堤防嘛 對不對還有什麼汙水跟排水 阿嘉義跟台南就沒這個問題啊 |
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對嘛 有龍點那你就你現在沒有嘉義跟台南沒有那個超級超級那個50米的這個事情嘛也沒有污水那你怎麼可以把這個重建時間往後延這個不對這個我們要非常堅持那至於名稱部分如果你們不要潰壩你們要求的是什麼議題是不是蛤不是啊你們你們是為了什麼不是你們堅持不是潰壩要議題那就寫議題及潰壩嘛議題也潰壩這樣好不好就解決問題沒有沒有沒有好 |
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好 謝謝 那我現在做三項宣告請各位黨團幹部各位列席官員大家請聽一下一 按照我們大家初步共識有關菸塞湖災禍的處理我們就採制定案來進行處理二 原先丹納斯修正案部分只針對原先所施行的日期長短我們來進行溝通 |
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三 我們現在就先進制定案的協商咧那我們開始進行討論那第二案丹納斯施行的期間長短部分咧我們再請行政部門來跟委員來進行溝通所以現在咧只有第一案 制定案有關的請留下來如果沒有關係的話 官員也可以離席好不好 好好 嘉賓兄請因為我們本身在丹納斯我們有提修正案那我們丹納斯的部門會待會有協商 |
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再協商自處理設定 |
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因為民眾黨是針對丹納斯因為你們是針對丹納斯第10條現在沒有丹納斯的 我們現在就制定案好不好 我們單純 |
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好不好 你要曉得立法院很容易節外生枝的朝野協商千萬不要再節外生枝了大家就制定案 好不好如果跟當事有關的官員到第二案到時候大家再來 現在大家可以離席我們留下來的 我們就討論花蓮 菸賽湖的制定案好不好 好 我要宣告一下因為有的官員他可能不是跟這個制定案有關的我先做一下宣告 好 我們現在我們進入 |
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名稱方面我們現在請我們請宣讀名稱花蓮馬太西堰澀湖災後重建特別條例宣讀完畢好 各位黨團各位有沒有意見沒有意見好請這個我們國民黨團還是要表示一下 |
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因為畢竟這確實是一個潰壩的事件我想全世界人都了解這是一個潰壩的事件我想這是不容爭議完全不容爭議的事實但是我想民進黨團跟陳政委 陳靜德政委都試著要要求把潰壩這兩個字 |
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在這個制定案的條例的名稱上先把它移除國民黨團是認為啊 |
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雖然有它的必要性但是我們還是留著這兩個字是有必要性但是我們尊重民進黨團跟陳政委所提出所提出來的是不是把這兩個字拿掉本席是基於我們朝野和諧盡快把條例能夠通過明天能夠刪讀所以我們敬表尊重 |
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條例通過就是要處理潰壩嘛好 現在我們繼續請宣讀第一條 |
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第一條國民黨團修正動議為有效迅速推動化加沙風災計畫連馬太岸西堰澀湖潰壩之災區復原重建工作特制定本條例本條例為規定者適用災害防救法及其他相關法律之規定但其他法律規定較本條例更有利於災後復原重建整治者適用最有利之法律重建地區為原住民族部落者並因應原住民族基本法相關規定辦理宣讀完畢 |
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好 各位黨團幹部 針對現在我們又提出的修正動議還有原條文 大家請表達一下意見好 鍾佳斌委員請發言好 傅坤祺委員 傅坤祺總召請發言這是國民黨所提出的修正動議我想我在這裡也回應一下這個修正動議 紅字的部分就是這個從第一條後半部 |
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這個重建地區位於原住民族部落者並應依原住民族基本法相關規定辦理我想剛剛已經回應了剛剛陳培宇委員所提到的相關的事情因為過去在訂定相關的這個法條的時候呢都會啊 都會啊 |
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幾乎所有的版本都對這個部分通常會遺忘掉所以我們很明確在這裡回應特別關於部落地區一定要按照原住民族基本法相關規定來辦理 |
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好謝謝副總召發言 鍾佳斌委員請發言我們現在看到的這個條文第一條在提供的文字的部分修正動議的說明欄他是寫增訂第二項後段那第二項後段就是剛剛副總召所說的重建地區為原住民族部落者 |
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並依原住民族基本法相關規定辦理我想請教一下行政機關的意見就是說是要改列為第三項還是列在第二項後段因為在體力上是有一點點小小的差別啦原意上是相同但是在體力上因為這個第二項後段跟另立第三項是不是行政機關來做一些意見表達好 鄭天才文請發言 陳政委請準備 |
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有關這個第一條 本席的條文也是這樣寫這個是過去的案例啦過去的案例就是放在這個第一條第一條的後段就是第二項 第二項的後段對對對 過去的案例是這樣好 謝謝 麻煩請陳政委表達一點 謝謝比較希望這個重建地區為原住民部落者這一部分另訂第三項 |
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那第一項的名稱 我剛剛沒聽清楚 是不是跟法案名稱一樣是為有效迅速推動花蓮馬太安溪厭舍湖災區復原重建工作陳政委講這個完全對 我們就配合修正 |
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那就把它重建開始列為第三項 好 好不好 大家沒有意見好 沒有意見 謝謝 我們繼續第一項稍微改一下第一項 第一項我們接下來參加有配合修正 講過了 好第二條 主條主條 |
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第二條本條立所定災區為因花家沙颱風及花蓮馬灘吸煙色虎潰壩之受創地區其範圍有行政院公告之那這個陳政委啊這一條跟名稱喔看起來是一樣但事實上有一點點不太一樣這邊潰壩兩個字可以留下來嗎因為他這個就不是在法律條文只是形容一個地理一個災害您覺得咧 |
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就是好人做到底就全部按照法律名稱來修正好 各黨的幹部那政委的意思說就把潰壩兩個字一樣照名稱的方式是啦 行政院要堅持的應該是有議題嘛就把議題又潰壩兩個都五個字都寫上去請陳培宇委員請發問主席我提醒一下如果按照剛剛名稱的改變為因華家沙颱風急前面那幾個字都要拿掉喔 謝謝 |
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然後第一條的部分 主席不好意思第一條的部分 畫家殺風災那都要一併拿掉好 我們配合辦理 好不好好 陳志委沒有意見好 各位黨團幹部也沒有意見第一條 第二條都拿掉好的 都拿掉了好 我們現在進入第三條第三條 本條立之主管機關為行政院本條立之中央執行機關為中央各目的事業主管機關地方執行機關為花蓮縣政府 |
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各位黨黨幹部有意見嗎 陳政委沒有沒有意見 好 謝謝我們就通過第四條 請先讀抱歉抱歉 主席請 陳政委請陳政委的意見是說用行政院當主管機關是比較特例啦那過去當然像莫拉克啦 921是有這樣的潛力啦但是那個災情 |
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比較有所差距所以這部份的工作是如果可以的話是就維持一樣 公共工程委員會來做主管機關根據慣例的話 就中央根據達納斯台風 行政公共工程委員會各黨團幹部有意見嗎沒有沒有意見 好 那我們就一樣尊重陳政委 我們做修正中央主管機關為行政公共工程委員會好 第四條 |
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第四條國民黨團修正動議本條例辦理之災區復原重建整治項目如下一馬灘西燕澀湖整治之後續處理由行政院督導行政院公務工程委員會農業部經濟部及花蓮縣政府擬定防範並執行 |
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減災監測疏散及解決潰壩與修築提防加固加高之相關工程方案二農業復原一農田泥沙清雲農地復原專案修根農田廢園重建農地重劃及農業生產環境重建二農路林道農業運輸設施三溫室網室倉儲 |
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畜牲型社化製廠堆肥廠資材市及農機具市四農作物補職與種苗等設施及設備五農業機具及設備六漁港漁船及養殖設施七農田土石挖掘清運搬土等 |
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三 電力系統一 變電所及特高壓以上輸電線路二 配電網防災人性三 路燈及公共照明設施四 緊急備用電力系統移動式電源自發自用電源及儲能等微電網設施四 電信系統及有線廣播電視系統一 公眾電信網路二 行動通信基地台車三 衛星通信備援設施四 有線廣播電視系統五 自來水瓦斯及燃氣設施 |
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一自來水及檢疫自來水設備二瓦斯及燃氣管線六家園及公共設施一災損及無可回復之房設住宅拆除修繕原地或異地重建之補助及租金補貼二公共建築學校幼兒園與政府機關構社會福利機構設施設備之拆除清雲及修復三文化資產與原住民族文化健康站聚會所之緊急搶修及修復四建制公共及家戶互動勢警報系統 |
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五 宮廟教會教堂等建築復原七 水利設施一 河川排水上中下游系統性治理農田水利灌排系統及海岸防護設施二 雨污水下水道及道路排水三 山坡地整治及土石流防治四 淨流分擔出流管制及在地滯洪措施五 中央管及縣市管河川排水設施災後復原重建工程 |
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及跨越河川排水瓶頸段橋樑改建八道路及交通一道路橋樑及隧道二道路邊坡防護及護岸工程三交通號誌標誌與護欄等附屬工程及設施九環境衛生復原一在後廢棄物清除處理環保 |
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設施修復重建及環境復原二 災後疾病防治十 社會復原及產業促進一 災害救助心理輔導及社會支持二 災後振興地方產業企業生財器具輔助及低利貸款等復原措施三 文化觀光旅遊及休閒農業振興四 農業天然災害現金救助及低利貸款利息補貼等復原措施 |
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五 災戶援助生產設備汰換產業設施生材器具運輸各類輔具及交通工具復原十一 其他經各中央執行機關認定有復原重建必要之項目辦理前項復原重建項目發給津貼補助救助衛助金及其他給予之資格條件基準金額應檢附文件得委任委託或委辦事項及其他相關事項之辦法由各中央執行機關定之宣讀完畢 |
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那個行政院陳正偉請表達一下意見然後我們各黨團好鄭天才委員請先發言陳正偉您稍微等一下請第四條的部分這個有關國民黨團的修正動議我的建議做一些修正因為這個第四條的第一項的第二款的第一幕第一幕 |
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農田是在談農田然後因為這個第七第七目第七目也是農田也是農田所以我的建議就是把它並在一起並在一起的我念一下農田土石挖掘清潤換土農地復原後面都一樣就是把它並在因為都是在談農田 |
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合在一起這是一個部分可以參考我的那個提案修正動議條文還有後面抱歉抱歉後面就是說這個第十款第十款的社會復原及產業促進的瓜福山 |
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瓜福三修正東藝是文化觀光旅遊及休閒農業振興我建議是改為文化觀光旅遊頓耗休閒農業及文化產業振興加個文化產業那另外就是那個瓜福五 |
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瓜服務的部分是災戶援助那因為原來的條文是有這個商家就是做生意那個商家是不是維持那個商家商家與災戶就加商家與災戶就會不太一樣災戶就是會以為是一般的災戶 |
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鹽田澳文有那個商鹽田澳文有那個商家鹽住全部用債務就可以了好好好 那我不堅持這個這個部分我就不堅持其他的就是建議能夠採納其他也不要堅持了 |
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我們民眾黨我們要求把這個家園清理支持跟復原慰問金明確入法的第四條 |
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第四條的第一項第六款就是家園及公共設施這本來國民黨的修正案是一共有五目嘛齁我們增加一目最後是第六目那邊增加家園清理支持跟及復原慰問金我們把它明確入法第六目就是國民黨本來到第五目的第六款第六款不是家園及公共設施本來國民黨不是提了五目對不對我們在第六目 |
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增加一幕啦 增加第六幕家園清理支持及復原慰問金有 我們有修正 修正動議宮廟下面嘛 第五項是宮廟 教會 對 對 對院長英明 對 對 對就在宮廟跟教會的下面 再加一幕有啊 有提啊 我們有提馬上來 |
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我們馬上送進來你送進來我們再回頭討論你送進來我們再回頭討論我們現在請聽陳正偉表達意見好嗎好 謝謝行政院針對屁股啊 進入重控一點好不好沒有意見行政院陳正偉現在對鄭天才委員所提的再修正都沒有意見完全接受 各位黨團剛才還有寶貴意見嗎好 請副總召那個第四條的最後一項 |
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辦理前項復原重建項目發給津貼補助救助慰問金然後再加一個工資慰問金再加一個工資及其他給予之資格第二項 |
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加一個工資那個丹尼斯台那個案子也有 陳昇偉這邊應該沒有問題啦原來我們是丹尼斯的時候寫在第三項第三項很完整 就是辦理前項等等等有津貼補助 衛助 救助金等等都有如果按照這個拿過來也加工資兩個 沒問題啦可以接受 好 |
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謝謝 那我們第四條現在原則上齊凱雄如果要補什麼資料到時候再說我們第四條先通過了好嗎好 謝謝 我們繼續往下 |
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第五條鄭天才委員修正動議因水災致住戶淹水與土石侵入之救助以實際受災獨立家屋為救助對象不受一門牌一戶社門牌社戶及及產權之限制並排除現行水災災害救助種類及標準之規範限制針對政府認定災區災害區域內之受災戶每戶最高發給新台幣五萬元以上救助金財團法人政災基金會就 |
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花蓮馬太安西燕澀湖災害專案募款其救助對象準用前項規定好 謝謝第五條請問各位黨團幹部有寶貴意見嗎沒有意見請行政院陳政委請表達一下意見好嗎修正動議鄭天才委員的版本我先問一下好了好不好好 請鄭天才委員你的每戶發給新台幣五萬元以上 |
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可是我們知道講這個是最對的 這個文字是有 |
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為了高結果少了不是 這個是你們是介意以上兩個字不要上去以上拿掉就好了這條 我們認為原國民黨黨團版本就可以了因為我們現在執行的已經超過五萬了好 我們現在我們尊重陳政委的意見我們再念一下國民黨的原版本好嗎 |
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國民黨團提案第五條因水災致住戶淹水之救助以實際受災戶數為救助對象不受一門排一戶之限制並排除現行水災災害救助種類及標準之規範擴大補償範圍針對政府認定災害區域內之受災戶每戶最高發給新台幣五萬元救助金這樣的文字就順多了您看天才文沒有問題您可以表達意見如果可以我們就接受國民黨團這個版本好嗎 |
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為什麼會特別把這個土石侵入因為這次確實是一個跟水災不太一樣的土石侵入然後呢因為我們在整個救災的過程過程當中就發現尤其是我們原住民的鄉親很多都是有 |
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自有獨立的房屋但是又沒有門牌有的沒有戶籍就是在旁邊就蓋一蓋新的一個房子是這樣的一個實際的情形才會特別因為在那個 |
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水災災害救助總列級標準裡面他本來就有但書規定可以排除這些所以我特別把這個不說一門牌一副這個是原來的文字然後這個加了社門牌社務級級沒有產有的是沒有產權我們再提啦再修正動議啦現在已經快達成都是沒有問題因為不是不是不是我們要提再修正動議好那個那個黨團我們再再提就是這個修正動議 |
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現在針對政府認定災害區域內之受災戶每戶最高發給新台幣5萬元救助金這個全部把它劃掉了現在把它全部劃掉了全部劃掉了這段不需要 |
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政委員建議好不好我知道政委員在關心的那個事情我們對花蓮都很熟悉其實在您的版本裡面其實我覺得你在意的應該是那句話不受一門牌一戶跟門牌還有戶籍跟產權之限制所以如果國民黨團這邊要提再修正東一是不是我也建議把天才委員你剛剛在意的戶籍產權的限制放進去可以請國民黨團幫政委員也下列去 |
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可以啦 我們現在後面要劃掉對 後面劃掉可以那前面的文字就照我的但是還是行政院對這邊有意見戶籍的部分 產權的部分我叫陳政委我現在先把副總召跟鄭天才委員兩個講我們試試看嘗試性把它調整一下然後再念出來之後您再看一看 您再發言好嗎副總召的意思就是說以鄭天才委員的版本但是把每戶最高發新台幣五萬元這個拿掉 |
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其他不變 是這個意思 陳政委請發言未住均的部分已經發下去了而且是從寬認定所以不會限一個房子幾戶 |
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產權也沒有限制租金租跟房東跟房客也同時都有我們只是認定他有沒有實際受災事實有沒有實際居住事實所以有可能出現一個門牌多戶也通通會發下去所以現在已經非常寬鬆那如果說文字上不需要再另訂了萬一如果另訂出來根本已經發下去了 |
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又說抵制 那不是要追回來嗎不急 那陳志偉現在講得很清楚了那現在中加病委要求發言 曾天堂來請準備 請 |
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我想因為其實剛剛行政院已經表達了其實莫拉克以來這個一門牌一戶的部分在屏東我們早就處理了那處理的結果也跟現在行政院在花蓮做的是一樣的因為這裡面有關於產權的問題到底是房東還是房客房客可不可以領實務上我們操作上房東房客都可以領 |
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那至於說一門牌一戶這個是一個原則事實上提到有沒有社戶籍有沒有門牌有沒有產權實務上都已經是從寬認定所以條文上如果不用再額外的去細緻化其實照目前行政院的做法即可因為我們要強調特別條例是授予行政機關這個權利我們寫一門牌一戶這樣的一個原則之下行政院已經把我們要的都放進去了實際上沒有一定要在條文上複雜化 |
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那另外呢那個淹水跟土石侵入的確是有些差異但是呢土石如果沒有水是不會入門的啦我們說土石流土石流他其實就是有水才會衝到我們房子水流了之後就把土石流下來這一點呢倒是行政院可以看看有沒有需要把那個淹水做一些更細緻的調整以上好謝謝曾天才委員您看看綜合陳政委跟鍾嘉斌委員的請表達意見這個郭政委 |
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事實上就是因為中央支持的那個三方案有很多鄉親去申請的我現在加上去的都是沒有被通過的都是沒有被通過的所以我才加上去所以事實上是這樣 |
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沒有 你先讓鄭天堂講完嘛因為我們要聽鄭天堂提案委員然後回頭你再講嘛好 你繼續 請繼續講大聲一點嘛你這個中氣不夠啊大聲一點 來就是我講完了啦就是剛才我加的這些文字齁我加的這些文字就是目前沒有被接受沒有通過的 |
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對 目前沒有通過的 所以我要加上去目前都沒有領到我要特別謝謝這個 鍾嘉斌委員剛剛有在關心這個事但是實務上操作完全不是這麼回事實務上操作都不是這麼回事現在行政 現在內政部出來的牌號戶數跟公所跟縣府的通通都不一樣 |
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所以為什麼1837 1837戶現在是我們碰到的問題內政部一直在講1837戶縣政府現在已經發到4200多戶 |
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那鄉公所那邊基本上現在從官認定都是由村長認定他有居住事實有受損的事實不管有沒有門牌不管是不是屋主還是住戶有沒有涉及還是沒有涉及都是由村長來認定所以說現在這個狀況我們必須通過法律的行為把它明確因為他就是受災戶所以 |
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內政部的1837跟18375跟實際上完全不是這樣所以剛剛天才委員在講到的就是說那政財基金會他還是按照內政部那個1837現在變成說他滾動式檢討一直累加累加每一件在個案認定那真的曠日廢時所以我們直接在條文上把它處理的話災民都可以得到協助主要是內容實務上操作有發生這樣的一個問題好不好 |
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副總召的重點他是有落差了 莊家編委員請那因為副總召補充得很詳盡 其實又寫在附帶決議二當中其實因為我們法律條文 如果要具姓名義其實要照附帶決議這樣寫但是因為我們法律文字寫一門牌一戶在這種情況不受一門牌一戶的情況之下我們的附帶決議把剛剛幾位講的內容都已經放進去了 |
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那這些內容呢我們如果把它簡化後變成法律文字反而這個附帶決議就變成有一些有重複啦那我是建議說法律文字簡明扼要但是呢附帶決議呢詳盡包括是不是這兩個一併請行政機關表示意見等一下 這法律文字也要調整啊你們買一副要拿掉啊那個 要拿掉的啊張祺凱副主席 |
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台灣民眾黨強力支持天才委員的提案沒有錯 確實在食物的運作上就是出現了漏洞我也提醒嘉賓 |
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事實上一門牌不限一戶在當大師的時候就是有入法有明定啊你為什麼現在把他挪到那個附帶決議去幹嘛國民黨提的啊 對啊我說你就明確的把他入法附帶決議是國民黨提的對啦 我就說要堅持支持那個天才的你不要又把他刪掉啦來請行政部門表示意見好了好 沒問題謝謝張靜凱委員我們麻煩再請那個陳偉恩 |
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我說明一下剛剛所提到的那個保全戶1504還有那個非保全戶我說明一下我們其實保全戶跟非保全戶通通都有給我說明一下到目前已經核准了2700多件那這後續還有在陸陸續續有一些逮捕還有一些爭議有些爭議甚至是因為他到底算是有沒有跟房東完成租約房東也說不清楚 |
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所以就像這種就是兩方還是要有一個具體的說法否則我們也不知道誰講的才是對的那有些是村長一開始不給後來有給但是村長後來有給了我們都一律都受理所以才會有還有1000件左右是在補件的所以不會說什麼只有給那個其他都不給沒有這個沒有這個事情好謝謝署長 鄭天才委員請這個署長 |
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我的條文沒有涉及到成豬的部分,我這個主要是針對它有獨立的家屋,自由的獨立家屋,但是它沒有門牌,也沒有設戶籍。 |
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因為就是這種情形所以我才會把它文字寫上去文字寫上去就會因為到昨天我還在協助但是花蓮東辦都沒有受理他們說我們的規定就是這樣我報告一下您講的那一個應該是接近是屬於在國有地上 |
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有有因為國有地上自行搭建的有的在自由土地上自由土地上的只要村長有證明我們一概都收建我說明一下因為我們之前遇到的是村長一開始不發 |
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但是我們都請他說再回去跟村長談一談村長只要願意發我們就收啦所以有些村長已經寫這個實際居住證明那個政委員跟署長之間到時候有什麼可以先溝通我們先把這個法案確立下來好不好現在都很寬鬆 他盡可能有證明我們都會給署長請坐 謝謝現在我們這五條條文就是把每戶最高發給新台北五萬元以上居住金這個拿掉 其他維持政經財委員修正案請問各黨的幹部有意見嗎 |
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那是負債決議 我們再處理 沒問題負債決議 陳政委贊成啦 應該不是要入法啦 沒錯啦我們聽一下陳政委講話趙那個 天才聊天會那個 欸 政委的第二項齁財團法輪正在基金會就發連馬太安溪 燕射湖 |
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災害專案募款 其救助對象用前項規定這等於是去規範 政災基金會啦政災基金會他是一個行政法人嘛而且他募了錢大概 他一定他裡面 政災基金會本身他就有他使用的規範 依賴用於受災戶我想這部分 第二項是不是不要不用寫 不用去規範政災基金會陳政委的意思是說 行政法人就不用放到我們請 陳政委 政委請我說明 因為 |
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這個行政院所推出來的中央支持三方案就是包含震災基金會的上款所以那個35萬是包含這個所以這個文字既然是這樣子處理的話當然你說準用還是要用還是參照還是其他的用詞是可以討論的 |
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那個我想因為是附帶決議並不是這個時間來討論我們現在討論條文那如果說如果說大家有共識的話我們在附帶決議來處理在附帶決議來處理現在就處理附帶決議就好了啊也可以啊 那現在好啊柯總統統一現在處理附帶決議那剛剛那個天才委員天才委員提出附帶決議我們就給他通過嘛那你們提的啊 |
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因為這個附帶結議沒有包含這個政災基金會寫進去沒有包含政災基金會 |
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那這一條我們第五條就尊重陳政委的表達的意見然後也尊重副總召 電真財委員還有鍾嘉斌委員共同的意見我們把每戶最高 第一項每戶最高發掘五萬元拿掉第二項財產財產政策集團也拿掉剩下再請提案委員用附帶決議的方式來呈現好嗎應該從針對開始從針對那就要拿掉了答案就到縣市了 |
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到補償範圍啦對啦對就從針對這邊就全部拿掉了嘛對對對一直到範圍限制這邊就結束了嘛好不好各位黨的幹部有意見嗎沒有意見好謝謝我們進入第六條修正動議第六條國民黨團修正動議委員鄭天才等修正動議 |
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災區重建因尊重該地區人民社區部落組織文化及生活方式各級政府為安置受災民眾或進行受災地區重建工作對於涉及用地級建築物質劃定取得變更評估管理維護或其他事項得簡化行政程序適用災害防救法第40條宣讀完畢請陳政委表達意見好嗎好陳政委行政部門能接受各位委員有沒有第6條 |
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好的謝謝 各黨團根本沒有意見好我們謝謝我們的通過我們進入第7條第7條國民黨團修正動議本條力所需經費上限為新代幣300億元得失情勢變化擬定相關計畫分期編列特別預算其預算編 |
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其預算編制與執行不受預算法第23條第62條及第63條規定之限制前項所需經費來源得以用以前年度稅計剩餘或舉借債務之因其每年舉借其每年度舉借 |
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| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
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債務制額度不受公共債務法第五條第七項規定之限制中央政府總預算及特別預算於本條例施行期間之舉債額度和計數不得超過該期間總預算及特別預算稅出總額度和計數之百分之十五本條例施行期間中央政府所舉介之一年以上公共債務未償餘額預算數應依公共債務法第五條第一項規定辦理 |
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| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
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地方執行機關辦理本條例及災害防救法規定事項所需經費中央政府得核實給予補助中央執行機關並得同意受補助之地方政府以待收待付方式執行為因應各項災區救災及復原重建工作之緊急需要 |
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中央執行機關得報經行政院同意後於第一項特別預算案未完成法定程序前先行支付其一部分中央政府補助地方執行機關資金費地方執行機關應依補助之目的及項目之用不得已作他用好 提案委員 傅坤祺委員要不要表達意見在修正那陳政委請表達意見請副總統請我要特別強調因為 |
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對於這次的重建的部分各種災情不斷在做評估一直不斷的在滾動式的在討論所以當時包括卓榮泰院長也提出在丹納斯條例上面加100億原本是說加100億後來也跟陳政委還有相關的部會都討論過以後最後他們加到250億 |
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那國民黨團原本是提200億我們也有跟陳正偉溝通還有相關部會了解以後要讓整個行政院在整個災後的復建重建的過程裡面不要有資金的這個疑慮能夠有很完整的一個重建所以國民黨團把原本提的200億把它提高為300億 |
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好謝謝副總統請陳政委請表達意見謝謝沒有意見好行政部門能夠接受各黨幹部沒有意見我們第7條通過好嗎好謝謝照修正通過我們進入第8條第8條國民黨團提案本條例所定災區不再依災害防救法第51條規定公告之災區範圍者其復原重建準用改法有關災區之規定 |
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第八條沒有意見 我們就通過了 沒有修正動議請提出來不是 那個不在是不是未在那個法律用詞是不是寫未在依災害防救法規定的範圍內因為不在是比較口語化啦 法律上是說未在這個範圍內的那麼其復原的什麼 用什麼規定 是不是用未 而不是用不 |
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| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
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中加兵委員所提的更精確一點就改為未在各位黨人剛剛有意見嗎沒有意見好我們就照中加兵委員所提的未在這個字修正一下我們就通過好進入第九條 |
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第九條 國民黨團提案依本條例規定自個執行機關領取之津貼補助救助未住經及其他其餘免納所得稅依本條例規定自個執行機關領取之津貼補助救助未住經及其他其餘不得作為抵銷扣押供擔保或強制執行之標的好 請陳政委表達一下意見好嗎 謝謝沒有意見好 行政部門能夠接受各黨黨幹部有意見嗎沒有意見 我們第九條通過第十條 |
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第10條依本條例編列預算之中央各部會應於本條例施行後兩個月內提出災後復原重建計劃本條例編列預算之中央各部會應將預算之工作計劃實施內容概述及預計實施進度按計送立法院備查好請陳政委表達一下第10條的意見好沒有意見好沒有意見各黨有意見嗎沒有意見好第10條通過我們現在進入第11條 |
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| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
第十一條主管機關應設置資訊網站專區提供便於搜尋得以理解之完整資訊主動按月定期公開本條例下列執行進度及內容一第二條鎖定災區之公告二第四第四條第二項由各中央執行機關訂定之辦法三前條鎖定之內容好第十一條麻煩請陳哲偉表達意見沒有意見好可以接受各黨團幹部有意見嗎沒有意見好我們通過第十二條 |
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第十二條本條例及其特別預算施行期間自公佈日施行至中華民國一百十七年三月三十一日至本條例及其特別預算施行期間屆滿得經理法院同意延長之第十二條各位我們請陳總委表達下意見 |
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| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
有幾項工程沒有辦法要改119對 改119好 陳政委的意思是說剛才有兩個重大的工程那要不要把實驗到119年可能要把它明確化可能要明確化你可能哪個部分是116年要完成哪個部分是119完成我們稍微請文子調整一下 寫清楚比照丹納斯的比照丹納斯啦丹納斯的第十條嘛對丹納斯的第十條院長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
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那個誰來寫那個 院長院長這條文是不是請行政部門把您清楚 我們再看一下好不好 現在就你嘛那我們就休息十分鐘請行政院 那個陳政委這邊花點時間來調整一下好嗎好 再報過來 休息 |
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| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
第四條第一項第一款 執行至119年12月30日 |
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好 往下 往下 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
他說一樣,還會說我成員失敗,他不知我以後有什麼事,那是剩下經濟部的事,那現在就...好,那要確認一下,我來照顧你,我來照顧你,我來照顧你,我來照顧你,我來照顧你,我來照顧你,我來照顧你,我來照顧你, |
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| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
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6833.776 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
我們這就吃了,又要三個禮拜了我的金融系統,現在才開始開店了花了十個月,瘦了十二個月現在就走五個月了 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
6856.907 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
6858.908 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
那你應該 台灣記者會過來發一萬塊你們應該早就有吃完飯 |
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6876.572 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
6877.052 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
中斷的那邊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
留著 留著 留著 |
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| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
我們那個不可能重複領取,所以不可能,那個都是電腦作業,你可以去試試看你可以先去登記,然後接下來再去ATM一些,看會不會被reject |
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我那個資料都是同步的有這樣發生過嗎?不會啦所以我來說當然不會因為我師父媽媽那些都會每天變動所以只要那邊去特地出錢就不可能發兩萬不是我跟你講你這個我為什麼會跟你講這個事我叫衛福部發那個衛福金衛福部 |
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| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
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好 謝謝 謝謝 謝謝謝謝好 各位黨團幹部麻煩請坐各位列席官員 謝謝 |
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我們現在繼續開會條文的部分我們要進行最後的確認我們先處理第12條再接續我們來處理第5條跟第4條我們現在先進行處理第12條我們剛才溝通完畢以後請各位黨黨幹部仔細聆聽行政官員也請聽一下我們現在開始宣讀 |
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第十二條本條例及其特別預算施行期間自公佈日施行至中華民國一百十七年三月三十一日止但第四條第一項第一款第二款第一目第七款第一目至第三目規定施行至一百十九年十二月三十一日止 |
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本條例及其特別預算施行期間屆滿得經立法院同意延長之好跟證第一項本條例及其特別預算施行期間自公佈日之施行至中華民國一百十六年三月三十一日之 |
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有那個陳政委請表達意見這部分沒有問題好行政部門可以完全可以接受我們就剛才所聽的是經過所有的黨團大家各各位黨團幹部協商之後的結果相信大家都沒有意見好沒有意見我們12條通過我們現在回過頭來我們現在討論第5條再修正東西請宣讀 |
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第五條因水災致住戶淹水之救助以實際受災戶數為救助對象不受一門牌一戶之限制並排除現行水災災害救助種類及標準之規範限制 |
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就那五萬塊那個 好 那個 曾天才委你要表達意見嗎 可以接受嗎好的 陳政委請表達意見好 沒有問題 我們第五條就通過了好 謝謝 我們接下來第四條修正案 請台灣民眾黨團有加一個第四條 第六款 |
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第一項第六款增訂第六目家園清理支持及復原慰問註金那陳政委第五條就加那個第六項 您有沒有意見家園清理及復原慰問金 |
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本來我們是寫在其他條的第三項啦他現在申訂我請一下主任一下好文字怎麼樣而且另外第一幕的第二行那邊前面加個清瑜頓號修正案裡面有寫 對這清瑜非常重要第一幕 第一幕的第二行 |
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在這裡 這他的修正 他的修正東西齊凱委員 這已經有啦 住宅清淤在第一項 你是希望怎麼改張齊凱委員 他加清淤啦加住宅清淤 把他加到住宅兩個字後面 陳政委他那個是做了一個可以吧 |
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剛才那個未註金的部分也沒有意見沒有意見齁 那這個加輕於兩個字也沒問題齁好 沒有問題 我們第四條我們就再修正東西通過好 我們繼續處理附帶決議 |
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附帶決議一一原住民族基本法第23條及第32條規定政府應尊重原住民族在生活方式社會經濟組織與土地管理上的自主權除非面臨立即且明顯的危險否則不得強制遷移族人原此相關權責機關在推動中繼安置永居政策或執行 |
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執法措施時應以尊重族人生活選擇與土地利用模式為基本原則更應依據土地權利保障要求落實諮商並取得當地族人同意或參與並依實際現況與族人需求做妥適調整與規劃以確保政策合法性與正當性好 請問各位黨團幹部對附帶決議沒有意見請陳總委表達意見好 請原民會表達意見沒有意見 |
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好 謝謝 行那麼我們附帶決議第一案通過好 請宣讀第二案附帶決議二一 花蓮馬灘鞠燕色湖潰壩災區受災戶下列實際居住之受災戶未能領取家園支持中央三方案一 實際居住自有獨立房屋有所有權狀未設戶籍者二 實際居住自有獨立房屋無所有權狀未設戶籍或未設門牌者三 租屋有訂定租約或未訂定租約並實際居住未設戶籍者 |
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二請行政院同請行政院及財團法人政災基金會同意一水災災害救助種類及標準第四條第一項第五款但書規定從寬遊村里長一前述實際居住之證明予以救助水災災害救助種類及標準第四條第一項第五款水災災害生活救助對象如下 |
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五 住戶淹水救助實際居住之租屋因水災淹水達50公分以上以一門牌為一戶計算但建屋分別獨立或非屬獨立而為不同獨立生活戶者應依其事實認定之 |
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那個 鄭天才委員您要不要再表達一點您關切的已經放進來了好 沒問題啦好 我們請陳政委表達欸 對不起 對不起陳政委稍待一下請鍾佳銘委員請表達那個我們是不是就按照條例的本意齁在 附帶決議的第一行齁潰壩那兩個字就不用留了 占一致性 |
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好 我們就一致性把潰壩兩個字OK 好 取消掉我們請陳政委 請表達意見沒有意見 那個各位黨黨幹部我們就中嘉賓委員的把潰壩兩個字我們就把它取消掉好 鄭天才委員也加進去 剛才也唸過了那陳政委也表達意見 完全可以接受我們第二 附帶決議第二案通過我們第三案 |
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附帶決議三花蓮馬太岸新顏色湖潰壩治災區房屋淹水及土石侵入有關受災區水電免費措施因家戶傷在清理中因延長至一百十四年十一月份所需經費由特別預算撥補台灣電力公司及台灣自來水公司 |
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這個請表達意見 包主席 主委委員因為我們現在對於水電的這並不是只有免費而已包括還有包括重新裝錶這些都是減免措施所以我們建議說擴大對災民的一個救助所以我們建議在這個附帶決議裡面在第二行有關受災區水電 |
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我們建議加減免措施 把原來的免費措施改成減免措施然後第二行的後段 減免期間延長至114年11月 |
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市長謝謝你的寶貴意見 但這個這個不太一樣 不太一樣我們請提案委員表達一下意見好不好這個是有 可以接受嘛 政經事務委員可以接受好 那我們就叫經濟部所提 哎 總裁沒有請那個潰壩字這三個字齁 還有第四案也是一樣 潰壩字三個字謝謝潰壩中 每個潰壩都要拿掉謝謝嘉賓委員 拿掉潰壩兩個字 拿不掉潰壩的事實啊然後第二行 OK 潰壩 |
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虧霸制 這三個字都要拿掉 我們現在就第二行這個有個重大的不一樣 剛正天才委員表達他完全可以接受 受災水電減免措施那後面延長至114年11月 這個不變減免期間 改為減免期間 好不好好的 第三 附帶決議第三案我們通過 謝謝大家 第四案 |
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附帶決議四一花蓮縣馬太安溪燕瑟湖潰壩至花蓮縣光復鄉鳳林鎮萬榮鄉等農田遭受重創造成農作物農機具農機室資材是毀損及農田流失與埋沒二查農業部陸續推動相關救助重建與輔導措施但多項補助已 |
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自有耕地成租耕地及農基鎮為要件使部分實際受災卻因尚未取得原住民保留地所有權無租約時使用公有土地或無農基鎮的農民無法獲得救助金正天財委員於114年10月15日質詢農業部陳部長同意專案辦理以工廠管理機關或原住民族委員會出具實際使用證明為依據並予以發給 |
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補救助 請農業部儘速以專案方式修正相關規定放寬相關補救助限制莊大編委我提醒你一下因為你這文法就不對勒就不順了來 我念名這個花蓮縣馬太安溪燕瑟湖受災燕瑟湖災區包括就把花蓮縣拿掉 因為前面有花蓮縣了嘛包括光復鄉 鳳林鄉 萬榮鄉等農田遭受重創 這樣就順了 |
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就順多了 剛才就怪怪的 文法不對好 那請陳政委表達意見 請 請 請報告主席 那因為我們的先進救助與相關的補助是有兩個辦法齁那所以這個正天海委員所提案的這些農機具的這個部分是屬於補助項目 那建議把末兩段的這個補救助的救治把它刪除 以上建議 |
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就是倒數第二航補救助跨戶裡面的救把它刪掉好 鄭天泰委員請表達意見同意這個那個農業部的發言好 謝謝請沒有別的意見啦 只是讓大家再回憶一下我們在8月13號 |
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黃絲不要拿走啦 |
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好 那我們現在這個就兩個簡單的修正一個就是 照第一行就照鍾嘉賓所提的把潰怕字三個字拿掉還有花蓮縣 改為花蓮縣包括你加了包括嗎 花蓮縣拿掉我想這個再念一遍 這第一行實在太饒舌了 請 |
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我説明一下是把潰壩字花蓮縣六個字換成災區包括對 換為四個字嘛煙塞湖災區包括花蓮縣光復鄉其實以文法來講 請羅志強 羅主席花蓮縣 馬太安溪 艷澀湖字 光復鄉 鳳林鎮 萬榮鄉 |
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羅志強委員不確實文字高手不枉做未遂主席這個非常順主席未遂羅志強委員修正非常順花蓮縣馬太安西燕塞湖至花蓮縣光復鄉這個其實就很順好不好好最後一個倒數第二行的那個補救助的救在跨湖連我們把它刪掉 |
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請倒數第二行還有倒數最後一行的兩個就都三組對 我講倒數第二行跟倒數第一行好 大家有沒有意見沒有意見我們附帶決議第四案就通過了好 我們現在做一個重要宣告不是四個嗎又來一個我看看 |
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第五案附帶決議五為促進河川系統性治理效能清於花蓮花蓮縣嗎花蓮西馬太安西蘇郡及土方清運納入系統性治理經費為飆售土石收益應繳回重建基金 |
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這個應該 副總召請所以這個剛剛經濟部一直來協調這個事情是不是可以把輸菌的部分納進重建條例本其實相當不以為然因為馬太安西是中央管河川竟然五年都沒有輸菌經濟部在做什麼 |
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就是說什麼這本來就應該要長年輸菌的沒有輸菌這是安全問題然後現在自災了以後要用重建基金來輸菌這不就是經濟部長年該做的事情嗎所以所以姑娘啊要盡快啊把災後有一個安全的環境 |
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所以本席才同意把輸菌也放進來但是所有這些都有價料標售之後的這些錢應該還到重建基金來讓重建基金這個部分的經費不會被損耗掉 |
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這個有寫 繳回重建基金因為我叫他寫的好 陳培委員請發言主席我想要請那個部會可不可以說明一下到底蘇郡在中央跟地方的分工是什麼呢當然我們非常感謝副總召提到這個事情喔那我們也認同繳回重建基金但是相關的工作分工因為後續重建要進行我認為中央跟地方的分工要說清楚 |
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有關於河川輸進的部分是依照治理的全管以一條河川而言若是縣市管的河川那必須要縣市政府來辦理輸進那若是中央管河川那自當由這個中央的這個單位比如說是在下游地區那就是由水利署來進行輸進但上游的地區有包括縣市政府還有包括水路保持署 |
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還有包括林務署的部分要辦理疏進那今天我們希望說加速這個馬太安溪上有煙射湖產生的大量的土石為了他流入的花蓮溪跟馬太安溪這個地方發生危險然後所以我們要擴大清輸的這個動作所以我們必須來把這個工作納入系統性的治理所以建議這個提案諸位委員可以支持 |
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好 謝謝經濟部的補充說明請好請副主任所以啊我想今天在這裡這個事就要講清楚剛剛經濟部已經講了在中央管河川是由中央政府負責來輸菌 |
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8683.365 |
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縣市地方管河川由縣市政府來輸進所以本席再請教一下經濟部今天次長來嗎次長在哪裡你跟那個麥克風講一下馬太安溪是中央管河川還是地方管河川馬太安溪是中央管的河川好 謝謝好 謝謝 陳政委請 |
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8685.504 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
8704.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
剛才提到花蓮溪跟馬太安溪那是不是因為河川命名那邊要加上一個嘉農溪然後光復溪如果有需要的話應該也納入了就是嘉農溪跟光復溪嘉惠的嘉農民的農嘉農溪跟光復溪 |
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8705.439 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
8731.288 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
這天才委員這邊西你應該很熟吧那都你選去啊現在排水因為馬太安溪現在做超級堤防未來那裡不能排水所以只有走光復溪去排水加農溪只是輔助的那如果陳政委認為說這些溪都要納入的話本席竟表同意好 我們國民黨團總召表達意見完全可以接受那各位黨黨幹部還沒其他寶貴意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
8732.591 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
8758.229 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
沒有意見的話我們就把這個西花蓮西馬太安西再加加農西還有一個光復西其他大家都接受了好謝謝我先念一個重要的宣告我們時間114年10月30號下午3點協商主題延商華家沙風災及花蓮馬太安西菸塞湖潰壩災後重建特別條例等 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
8758.809 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
8761.992 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
寫上結論一 寫上通過名稱以及條文如附件一 |
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8785.168 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
8802.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
二、通過附帶決議如附件二,院會並不再新收附帶決議。三、各黨團同意本案列入10月31日星期五院會討論事項,於施政諮詢前處理,完成三讀。 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
8803.885 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
8831.592 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
而且不再提出復議本案三讀後發言由各黨團推派一位代表發言當日院會討論事項處理幣進行施政質詢議程時行政官員在行列席四 各黨團委員提案及相關修正動議均與刊登公報記錄請問各位黨團幹部有沒有意見沒有意見我們就請簽署結束 |
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8834.619 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
8852.905 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
我們剛剛已經講了 那行政官員再行各位黨團幹部 我們今天所制定案的協商順利完成我們簽字 我們今天的協商到此為止非常謝謝我們列席的黨團幹部也謝謝各位列席的官員 我們散會 |