| IVOD_ID |
169927 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169927 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-20-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-10T11:17:45+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-10T11:29:45+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/dee24285c0428ea53304ef5992092dd621dd72608bfb95728c63d91a868a86b1ef00c3ddfecfa1d35ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王世堅 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:17:45 - 11:29:45 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-10T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於中央銀行（含中央造幣廠、中央印製廠）。（詢答及處理）
二、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分，關於財政部主管中國輸出入銀行、臺灣金融控股股份有限公司（含臺灣銀行股份有限公司、臺銀人壽保險股份有限公司、臺銀綜合證券股份有限公司）。（僅詢答）
【6月10日及11日兩天一次會】
【預算提案截止時間：第一案6月10日（三）上午10時，第二案6月10日（三）下午5時】） |
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謝謝你一直以來的鼓勵 |
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這兩個月以來我們台灣的股市這個漲幅可以說是在全世界股市裡面我們算是漲幅比例最高的那這當然是非常證明啦代表我們台灣的經濟津津向榮我們台灣的高科技領航了全世界這都是事實可是還是有一些隱憂我們必須要做一些政府要有一些 |
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聲明一些勸阻的動作也必須要做就是說我們因應這一次股市這麼強烈那民間到現在為止已經有四十一萬七千人把房屋增貸然後增貸以後的資金全部投入股市那這樣子的方式這種高風險的操作啊 |
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萬一有個事發生有個挫折的時候那那個後果大家可想而知我相信楊總裁你記得1990年那一次的股災那一次的股災也是一樣那有那麼多的民眾 |
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數十萬戶的民眾去增貸那增貸也是投入股市結果股災一發生不但存款都沒了積蓄都沒了房子還要被法拍所以為了避免萬一有這樣的情況發生我在想總裁是不是 |
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您這邊應該通令我們所有的銀行告訴他們說要提醒投資人尤其借款人要清楚要查明借款人借款用途 |
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我這個借款用途這些資金借了之後是投到哪邊就我所知現在銀行所報給我的資料都知道說借款人除了被詐騙的以外詐騙集團騙走的以外其他的錢大概全部投到股市所以這個部分我想是不是你應該積極的下去做 |
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是 我覺得委員的提醒是非常好的非常好的 而且我也跟委員報告除了我就說主管機關像金管會他密切注意這些的情況事實上我也跟委員報告事實上我們也有去分析 |
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去分析就是說在這個項目這個銀行他在這一方面的借款的情況是怎麼樣我們基本上我們有掌握一些的資料我們是自由法治民主的國家啦當然 |
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所有權人這個財產的擁有者當然有絕對他自己支配權利那他愛去做怎樣的投資這個都是自由的不過我們還是必須適度的提醒適度的提醒當然啦這一次的股票漲這麼多高科技大躍進 |
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那很多專家也都解釋說這可能是另外一次的工業革命那帶來的當然也可能確實是一個經濟的大躍進不過 |
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不可否認的這種躍進這種工業革命帶來的好處成果可能必須更多年後甚至10年20年才會具體又展現到那樣子的成績跟成果那但是許多無辜的 |
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這借款人或者小資族那因為他們不了解到全面性的時候他資金借帶來的資金可能沒辦法允許那麼長期的利息支出這也會產生問題更何況股票的這個過程即便一路漲 |
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大好 也是中間會有停頓會有調整的休息期所以這些部分你們是專家那各營郎他們也應該是專家儘管會包括財政部好不好那時間暫停總裁您先稍待一會我請莊部長也一起上來 |
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中部長所以你轄下這九大公營行戶你也應該就是要要求他們去查明剛才我說的這一項好不好房貸增貸用到股市去那麼這個部分也應該查明甚至主動跟借管戶做一個勸阻說明可不可以我想對於這個股市這個狀況那個我們的 |
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資本市場的主管機關金管會也非常的重視那我們銀行也必須要遵守相關的金融的規範這是一定要的尤其公營銀行庫因為土地銀行他光存款就市造他做的又是土地房屋的專業貸款我別的地方貸不到我跟他貸都會貸得到所以你特別要提醒他我特別提醒他那再來就是我要問部長跟總裁的就是這個主權基金 |
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去年賴總統就職一周年的時候他再一次強調他說要提出要成立我們國家主權基金那今年的520啊這個卓院長他在記者會的時候他也說了他也再一次又提到要成立我們國家主權基金 |
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那麼這一年多來我們大家對國家主權基金討論很多但是到現在似乎談完了就沒有定案連往哪個方向動用哪一部分的資金現在都還沒確定所以我一直不懂像韓國啦 |
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韓國他國家發展先進的程度完全不如我們台灣那麼他擁有的外匯存底也不能跟台灣相比結果他在2005年他就成立了國家主權基金不打緊到前年為止啊他的國家基金他們的資產總額高達1690億美金 |
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有五兆兩千億這麼多所以可見我們 |
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好好的規劃國家主權基金好好的經營我們的成果應該會比韓國還要更好那現在對於就是說我要請問你們就是說第一個到底進行了怎麼樣第二點我們要用的資金來源是用外匯存體讓他有長波用還是說財政部要發行國家特別公債或者是說 |
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我們要將超徵的稅收那麼裡面一定的財政盈餘一定的比例來用所以這三個方向你們現在大概是評估了怎麼樣 |
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我跟委員報告這個評估基本上行政院是委由國發會來整個規劃這個案子也有討論過幾次剛剛委員所講的資金的來源也是有這樣討論過不過 |
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前沒多久那個院長也有提到就是說因為這個有priority院長的意思就是說如果要成立的話一定要成功所以他很謹慎的去規劃它這是院裡面的一個態度不過我要在這裡來跟委員報告就是說 |
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在資金的一個的這個資金的籌措的這個部分呢我們都會配合那個政府的一個看他是要成立的是就像GIC一樣的呢或是剛剛委員所說的是KIC啊或是說是那個淡馬錫的這個我們都會配合 |
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588.134 |
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我怕的就是這一句話啦我怕的就是說您這邊跟莊部長這邊都說反正國家最後上位政策怎麼決定那我們啊中央行 |
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財政部我們都配合為什麼我說我怕這句話因為確實是國發會主導他去規劃但是對於金融這一個部分對於資金的部分這個籌措的部分你們兩個才是最專業包括金管會主委你們三位啊才應該是資金來源最大的 |
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是一個專業的一個考量來源應該是從你們所以我認為國發會去規劃不是不好喔但是國發會不能在沒有這些專業的背景的支持之下天馬行空的去想那就不好所以我一直要你們兩位表態講清楚說你們認為到底資金要怎麼來籌措你們的看法是什麼樣 |
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所以我剛剛也跟委員報告了嘛就中央銀行我們可以拿出來的這個部分因為籌措的話當然就像那個GIC的話呢他也有就是說是那個政府的錢他也有政府的錢那也有中央銀行賣給他的那個外溢存體都都有所以呢這個就是說一定要是在那個什麼國發會出來開這個會的時候呢我們很明確的跟他講 |
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這樣才有辦法因為時間 我最後只是告訴你說我想探究的類似這樣你回去想一下就是說原來原先你是反對用外匯存底現在你有同意有條件的就是說有長波用外匯存底你同意 |
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我希望你回去把這個部分理清部長你也回去理清楚說是不是發行國家特別公債這個部分你們理清楚那用書面給我打好拿出你們的看法跟意見這個最重要不要提國發問好不好是是是好謝謝謝謝黃思堅委員 |