| IVOD_ID |
169915 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169915 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-36-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-10T10:39:35+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-10T10:51:44+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:09 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/dee24285c0428ea56b331b3dbb18318902c75a4b042dc367ffedc3c96f086d46a167abc7ae7a34905ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張雅琳 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:39:35 - 10:51:44 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-10T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：併案審查
（一）台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「軍公教人員待遇調整條例草案」案。
（二）委員翁曉玲等16人擬具「軍公教人員待遇調整條例草案」案。
【6月10日會議僅進行詢答】
【6月10日及11日兩天一次會】） |
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好 謝謝張委員那麼我們接下來請張雅玲委員發言好 謝謝主席那我們請副院市長好 請副院市長好 我想先請教一下就是說最近有非常多人今天有很多的委員也都有討論關於軍工校加薪的這個問題那我想問一下今年現在明確地問一個問題是不是有可能今年來發佈而且在明年來執行呢 |
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跟委員報告現在以各種我們現在收集到的數據我們是樂觀的樂觀的體系調情的建議如果是你們覺得有多樂觀呢1到10的話是最樂觀我們自己現在是努力的之前我們人長其實在委員會也有做過說明就是我們現在目前看的數據包括其實剛之前這個 |
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院長其實也有一些有人跟他請教我們會往調心的方向去規劃因為我想大家都非常關注這件事情因為大家已經提出了非常多的論述包含我們的經濟成長率CPI等等我都認為是非常需要來去照顧到我們基層的公務人員因為還是有很多的公務人員願意接受這樣子的心理我們朝這個方向去處理 |
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但是他們是非常優秀的公務人員我想在我們許多的質詢上面我們面對了很多的公務人員都願意的來協助民代民意代表們了解更多食物上面的問題然後也積極的來去協助民眾解決食物上面問題所以我認為他們的努力他們的付出是值得用心思來回饋 |
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這是我的立場那也是我一貫以來一直在要求是說我們要法治化的調心然後我們要有教師公務人員的代表這是我這一貫的立場那我想很多的立法委員應該也都非常清楚現在要招募人才包含我們自己的立法院的助理們都非常的困難 |
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那當然薪資是一個原因或工作條件也是一個原因最近我們可以看到像是大家都說要保護公務員但是蔣萬安市長卻在週末的時候假日的時候讓公務人員來寫這些新聞稿來做這些政治攻防的工作那我覺得這就不是一個善待公務員的做法 |
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這會讓公務員陷入一個困境那所以接下來我就想要回到薪資的部分我們如何的真正的落實那剛剛其實吳小林委員跟我的想法是一致的就是我們是不是可以像日本人事院有一個非常明確的每一年去調整市場的薪資然後依據不同的職務或是工作地區學歷等等的來找出這個跟來計算出跟公司部門之間的薪水的級距 |
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那我也認為只有這樣子我們才能夠去確保我們能夠提供給公務人員更有競爭力的薪資那我想問一下就是說目前我們人種應該是沒有做相關的調查吧對不對我們沒有類似的這樣的調查嗎 |
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跟委員報告 這是委員提到跟剛剛委員講的這是日本的部分 日本的部分是比較走這個明天7月的薪資水準做他們對比較重要的指標我想不只日本啦 包含我自己過去在外商我新加坡的同事都跟我說我們新加坡 在他們新加坡呢最優秀的人才一定是到新加坡 |
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就是像我們在外商呢 是其實不是最優秀的人才啦所以我想這個其實不只只有日本啦 新加坡也是所以我簡單問一句啦 在台灣其實我們有把這個因素放進去但是台灣大部分的討論是在實質購買力的部分會被更關注 會被更關注這些我都清楚 這些我們都會放進去對 但我想是不是可以給我一句承諾 |
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我們的要求是說我們是不是可以根據日本的這樣子的做法去做一個整體的薪資的盤點其實很簡單你就可以勾結勞保的資料嘛對不對這也是一個方法是不是可以研議這樣子的一個做法呢讓我們有更明確的為什麼說要這樣做是我們更明確的更清楚的用數字 |
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理性科學的去了解不是用感覺我們應該要調整幾%不是我們是就回到一個穩定的制度上面去實務的面對薪資調整的這個問題是不是可以參照呢 |
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我希望你們接下來要把這樣子的東西納入參考那我也希望你們是不是現在就可以來盤算如果要用這樣子的方法我們到底要增加多少的財務預算這樣子的預算到底是怎麼樣是不是可以做一個盤點跟計算可以嗎可以可以可以好那大概什麼時候可以提供給我們呢 |
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我們可以給因為這些都是現有的資料我們可以把我們現在處理的方式跟市場薪資差距的部分喔我要的是市場薪資差距的部分喔這個我們可以多久大概什麼時候可以給我們一個月好不好一個月好一個月喔那再來就是說我還是非常關注就是我自己這跟權敘部可能會有關係啦可以先請權敘部任仲也是先留著啦 |
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好基本上就是說我一直以來都非常關心我們如何提供給我們所有的工作人員工人員勞工也好這個家庭支持的部分友善職場的部分那我也有看到就是說在總統其實提出了這18項支持生育的措施支持友善職場的措施之後 |
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我覺得也不錯 元旭部其實是有說要配合相關的修法而且條件基本上是跟勞動部一致那產檢架目前也都是會往這個方向但是我想要知道目前的進度是什麼因為我們好像公務人員也非常關心但是我們並沒有看到明確的進度是不是可以告訴我們接下來你們大概什麼時候會完善這些法制化的作業 |
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報告委員 謝謝委員部裡面針對行政院推出這些方案都很積極的配合去處理那什麼時候我想知道是什麼時間在法律修正部分我們的公教員保險法跟公務員利用法在6月3號已經送到考試院去審議那法規命令部分包括請假規則跟留職提醒辦法這部分會涉及到性供法實際修正的情形所以 |
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我們部裡面都已經積極在處理就是等信工法審議的情形比較確定之後我們就會去行後面的法制作業 |
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所以基本上就是跟著配合就對了好喔那接下來我想要談一下就是第15個措施就是說談性減工時延伸到12歲因為我想這個是許多公務員非常關注的就是說我們到底可不可以一起來配合讓他們可以縮短工時去好好的去照顧他們的家庭那目前也是一樣你們就是說會配合性工法來去做 |
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這個相關的討論跟修正但事實上勞動部這次在談性工時的這一點他其實是沒有要修法對那所以我想知道關鍵這一點你們會怎麼去做配合因為我們有洽過勞動部啦因為具體的他的細部做法也還沒出來那原則上我們會配合勞動部的比較細部的做法就公務員部分 |
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但是他們的政策概念就是勞資雙方同意的前提下但是現在在我們的公務體系有一個比較大的問題是說員工、公務員們想要請的說是主管不合嘛主管認為這不需要嘛所以我們有沒有清楚的掌握到底有什麼樣子的類型其實是蠻適合的那鼓勵我們的主管去配合呢因為這個其實不涉及修法嘛 |
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對 因為如果是不涉及到修法部分呢布裡面就會配合比較細部的做法就是確定勞動部的那個放的範圍到底有多寬之後我們大概就會朝那個方向再去檢討修正相關的行政規則或是法規命令去處理 |
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所以目前你們的做法是會用行政命令或法規依循來辦理法規命令去處理對好那我想因為你這個部分因為我時間有限我這個部分我想要再跟你們約時間會後仔細的來討論好謝謝那我是希望說不要只有等勞動部那接下來我想問一下教育部跟國防部那你們是不是也會一併的配合實施呢 |
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是不是教育部跟國防部都會配合那接下來是措施第16就是有關於補助職代跟替代人力的部分那我想問一下就是說你們現在是跟我們說你們其實都有職務代理加級可是這個其實跟職務代理加級完全不同因為過去我們是非主管代理主管職我們才會有可是這個其實是育兒工作所需要的職務代理那接下來你們會如何配合勞動部的政策來做這個調整呢去規劃 |
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勞動部這個策略主要是補助契約在今天政府部門事實上對於職務代理有一套很完整的機制就是公園在請假或是留職提進期間都可以依照相關法令規定那這種育兒檢工時的這個彈性檢工時的部分也是可以都有一個職務代理的機制 |
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也都有一個職務代理的機制所以接下來是不是可以明確的跟我們公務人員講如果是今天我們要月額減工時因為彈性工時減工時的部分這邊都可以有職務代理的加給對 我再說明一下就是如果是非限職人員部分就會找約聘公務人員去代理如果是限職人員部分他有一個合於職務代理加給的規定就會給他一個加給的代理的資給 |
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因為公務機關的人員身份相當的複雜那因為剛剛你講的是公務員有一個職務代理的辦法但是因為涉及到這麼多大家都可以使用嗎我想這個公務員可能也不是也不是這樣子啦他們可能也不清楚那可能也不是全部都可以用那個職務代理的辦法所以我想問的是說我們是不是可以針對這些 |
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這麼複雜的一個我們現在在公務體系裡面的不管是約聘僱人員、臨時人員、勞務承攬人力更清楚讓大家知道說我們的職務代理的一個規劃是什麼 |
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委員這個簡報裡面大概部裡面主管的就是公務員跟聘用人員這兩個部分這兩個部分事實上我們的相關法制剛才講就是針對公務人員公務人員部分也有做解釋原則上他是依照性供法的相關規定很多都是透過行政解釋的方式去處理月聘人代理的問題 |
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對 可是因為我們這裡面在一起工作的人還有臨時人力 勞務承攬人力嘛 對不對可是他們也許並不是公務體系的嘛所以那他們在如果涉及植物要代理的時候他們該怎麼辦這個部分是不是給我們一個說明一份報告清楚的讓我們知道也讓我們所有公務人員知道這是不是可以跟人種一起來可以嗎那大概什麼時候可以給我們這份報告因為這個東西如果涉及要公務人員的植物代理的要調整的預算可能也要反映嘛多久 |
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因為大部分都是 後面大部分都是人種的對 我知道 所以我說你們兩個一起嘛所以你們兩個多久可以給我們這份報告總數是說三個月太久了 你之後如果要牽扯到一個半月好不好因為這牽扯到你們如果預算要編列啊你們接下來預算要編列 你如果三個月就九月了欸對不對 你預算都已經送進來 那明年就不可能執行啊是不是一個半月可以嗎 好好不好 好 謝謝喔 |
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張委員雅琳 |
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謝謝主席，請副人事長。 |
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主席 |
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請副人事長。 |
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張副人事長秋元 |
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委員好。 |
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張委員雅琳 |
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我想先請教一下，最近有非常多熱門的議題，其中有關軍公教加薪的問題，今天很多委員也都有討論到。 |
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張委員雅琳 |
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現在我想明確請問，今年是不是有可能發布，並於明年執行？ |
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張副人事長秋元 |
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跟委員報告，以現在所蒐集到的各種數據來說，我們會樂觀地提調薪建議。 |
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張委員雅琳 |
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你們有多樂觀？ |
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張委員雅琳 |
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以一到十來說，是最樂觀的嗎？ |
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張副人事長秋元 |
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我們現在是努力爭取，其實之前人事長也在委員會有做過說明。 |
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張副人事長秋元 |
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以我們現在所看到的數據來說，包括之前院長也有…… |
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張委員雅琳 |
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1 |
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沒關係…… |
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張副人事長秋元 |
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我們會往調薪的方向去規劃。 |
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張委員雅琳 |
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2026-06-10T10:41:01.685000+08:00 |
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因為大家都非常關注這件事，也提出非常多論述，包含經濟成長率、CPI等等，讓我認為確實非常需要去照顧到基層的公務員，畢竟還是有很多公務員願意接受這樣辛苦的…… |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.887 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-06-10T10:41:02.186000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-06-10T10:41:03.406000+08:00 |
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我們朝這個方向去處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-06-10T10:41:04.006000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-06-10T10:41:18.753000+08:00 |
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他們是非常優秀的公務員，我們的許多質詢其實受到很多公務員的協助，讓民意代表們了解很多實務上的問題，也積極協助民眾解決實務上的問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.803 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-06-10T10:41:18.753000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-06-10T10:41:34.859000+08:00 |
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所以我認為他們的努力、他們的付出，是值得用薪資來回饋的，這是我的立場，也是我一貫以來一直的要求：我們要法制化調薪，要有教師、公務員代表，這是我一貫的立場。 |
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0.912 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-06-10T10:41:34.979000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-06-10T10:41:42.802000+08:00 |
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我想很多立法委員應該也很清楚，現在要招募人才，包含立法院的助理，其實都非常困難。 |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-06-10T10:41:44.342000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-06-10T10:41:48.605000+08:00 |
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當然，薪資是一個原因，工作條件也是一個原因。 |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-06-10T10:41:48.925000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T10:42:07.356000+08:00 |
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最近我們可以看到，大家都說要保護公務員，但蔣萬安市長卻在週末、假日的時候讓公務員寫新聞稿，做政治攻防的工作，我覺得這就不是善待公務員的作法，也會讓公務員陷入困境。 |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.973 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-06-10T10:42:08.336000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-06-10T10:42:13.017000+08:00 |
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所以接下來我想回到薪資部分，也就是要如何真正地落實。 |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.792 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-06-10T10:42:13.417000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T10:42:31.462000+08:00 |
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其實翁曉玲委員跟我的想法是一致的，我們可以像日本人事院一樣，每一年都明確調整市場薪資，並依據不同的職務或工作、地區、學歷等，計算出公私部門的薪水級距。 |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.868 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-06-10T10:42:32.482000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-06-10T10:42:39.771000+08:00 |
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我認為唯有如此，我們才能確保提供給公務人員更有競爭力的薪資。 |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.893 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-06-10T10:42:40.351000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-06-10T10:42:46.458000+08:00 |
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我想請問，目前人總應該沒有做相關調查，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-06-10T10:42:46.458000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-06-10T10:42:47.139000+08:00 |
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我們沒有類似這樣的調查吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-06-10T10:42:48.813000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-06-10T10:43:00.499000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，委員提到剛剛翁委員所講日本的部分，日本是以民間企業的薪資水準來作為他們比較重要的指標。 |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.783 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-06-10T10:43:00.499000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-06-10T10:43:13.907000+08:00 |
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我想不只日本，我過去在外商，我的新加坡同事跟我說，新加坡最優秀的人才一定到新加坡政府，像我們在外商的其實不是最優秀的人才。 |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-06-10T10:43:14.767000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-06-10T10:43:17.829000+08:00 |
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所以不只日本，新加坡也是。所以…… |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-06-10T10:43:20.291000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-06-10T10:43:29.616000+08:00 |
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我們有把這個因素放進去，在臺灣大部分的討論是在實質購買力，這更會被關注…… |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-06-10T10:43:30.857000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-06-10T10:43:31.477000+08:00 |
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對，這些我都清楚…… |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-06-10T10:43:32.138000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-06-10T10:43:33.419000+08:00 |
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這些我們都會放進去。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-06-10T10:43:34.559000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-06-10T10:43:35.460000+08:00 |
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是不是可以給我一個承諾…… |
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0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-06-10T10:43:35.460000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
1 |
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2026-06-10T10:43:43.483000+08:00 |
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翁委員的版本好像有放，我們也會放。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.133 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
張委員雅琳：副人事長，抱歉，請回答我的問題。我的要求是 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-06-10T10:43:43.483000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-06-10T10:43:47.544000+08:00 |
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可否根據日本的作法來進行整體薪資的盤點？ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.737 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
張委員雅琳：副人事長，抱歉，請回答我的問題。我的要求是 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-06-10T10:43:47.544000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-06-10T10:43:50.885000+08:00 |
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這其實很簡單，可以勾稽勞保資料，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
張委員雅琳：副人事長，抱歉，請回答我的問題。我的要求是 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-06-10T10:43:50.885000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-06-10T10:43:51.625000+08:00 |
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這也是一個方法。 |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
張委員雅琳：副人事長，抱歉，請回答我的問題。我的要求是 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-06-10T10:43:52.306000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T10:43:56.587000+08:00 |
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是不是可以研議這種作法，讓我們有更明確的……為什麼我說要這樣做？ |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.893 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
張委員雅琳：副人事長，抱歉，請回答我的問題。我的要求是 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-06-10T10:43:57.287000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-06-10T10:44:05.056000+08:00 |
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要更明確、更清楚地用數字、理性、科學去了解，而不是用感覺說應該調整幾趴。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.839 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
張委員雅琳：副人事長，抱歉，請回答我的問題。我的要求是 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-06-10T10:44:05.056000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-06-10T10:44:09.003000+08:00 |
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不是，而是應該回到一個穩定的制度，並務實地去面對薪資調整的問題。 |
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0.759 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
張委員雅琳：副人事長，抱歉，請回答我的問題。我的要求是 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-06-10T10:44:09.003000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-06-10T10:44:09.564000+08:00 |
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所以是不是可以參照？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-06-10T10:44:09.564000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-06-10T10:44:17.217000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，其實主計總處與勞動部都有這樣的資料，我們都會納入參考。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-06-10T10:44:17.217000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-06-10T10:44:30.688000+08:00 |
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我希望你們能把這些納入參考，同時也希望你們現在就可以計算一下，如果這樣做的話，到底會增加多少預算？ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-06-10T10:44:32.630000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-06-10T10:44:32.890000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
是不是可以就預算財務來盤點與計算？ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.562 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-06-10T10:44:32.970000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-06-10T10:44:33.110000+08:00 |
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可以嗎？可以。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-06-10T10:44:33.350000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-06-10T10:44:33.971000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
好，大概什麼時候可以提供給我？ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-06-10T10:44:43.956000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-06-10T10:44:47.817000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
這都是現有的資料，我可以把我們現在處理的方式…… |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-06-10T10:44:47.958000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-06-10T10:44:52.539000+08:00 |
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跟市場薪資差距的部分，我要的是跟市場薪資差距的部分！ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-06-10T10:44:56.181000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-06-10T10:44:57.001000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
大概什麼時候可以給我？ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-06-10T10:44:57.721000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-06-10T10:44:58.461000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
一個月，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-06-10T10:44:58.561000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-06-10T10:44:58.601000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
一個月？ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-06-10T10:44:58.922000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-06-10T10:44:59.342000+08:00 |
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好，一個月。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-06-10T10:45:00.462000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-06-10T10:45:06.124000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
再來，這跟銓敘部可能有關，請銓敘部。 |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-06-10T10:45:13.435000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-06-10T10:45:22.099000+08:00 |
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一直以來我都非常關心如何提供所有工作人員，不管是公務人員或勞工有關家庭支持和友善職場。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.756 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-06-10T10:45:25.580000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-06-10T10:45:45.502000+08:00 |
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日前總統提出了十八項支持生育及友善職場的措施之後，我覺得不錯，銓敘部也說會配合修法，且條件基本上跟勞動部一致，比如產檢假會往這方向檢討，但是我想知道目前進度為何？ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-06-10T10:45:46.522000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-06-10T10:45:54.486000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
公務人員其實非常關心這件事，卻沒有看到明確進度，是不是可以告訴我，你們大概什麼時候會完善相關的法制化作業？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.816 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
彭司長國華 |
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2026-06-10T10:45:57.315000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-06-10T10:45:59.777000+08:00 |
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謝謝委員。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
彭司長國華 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-06-10T10:46:00.818000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T10:46:03.561000+08:00 |
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針對行政院推出的這些方案，部裡面都很積極配合處理…… |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.826 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
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2026-06-10T10:46:03.961000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-06-10T10:46:04.061000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
什麼時候？ |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-06-10T10:46:04.481000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-06-10T10:46:05.382000+08:00 |
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我想知道是什麼時間？ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
彭司長國華 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-06-10T10:46:05.582000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T10:46:30.233000+08:00 |
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法律修正部分，公教人員保險法與公務人員任用法已於6月3號送考試院審議；法規命令部分，包括請假規則及留職停薪辦法，由於涉及性工法實際修正情形，因此，部裡面已在積極處理，俟性工法審議確定之後，我們就會續行後面的法制作業。 |
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0.814 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-06-10T10:46:31.466000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-06-10T10:46:33.627000+08:00 |
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基本上會配合就對了？對。 |
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0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-06-10T10:46:35.528000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T10:46:45.814000+08:00 |
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接下來我想談第十五個措施，即彈性減工時延伸到12歲，我想這是許多公務人員非常關注的。 |
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0.865 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
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2026-06-10T10:46:46.574000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T10:46:51.997000+08:00 |
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到底可不可以一起配合讓他們能縮短工時，好好照顧家庭？ |
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0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-06-10T10:46:52.798000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-06-10T10:46:59.062000+08:00 |
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目前一樣，你們說會配合性工法做相關的討論與修正。 |
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0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-06-10T10:46:59.202000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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2026-06-10T10:47:08.849000+08:00 |
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但勞動部對這次的彈性工時其實並沒有要修法，所以我想知道，關於這點你們會怎麼去配合？ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.868 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
彭司長國華 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-06-10T10:47:10.690000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-06-10T10:47:15.454000+08:00 |
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我們有與勞動部接洽，至於具體的細部作法還沒出來。 |
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0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
彭司長國華 |
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2026-06-10T10:47:15.774000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-06-10T10:47:20.138000+08:00 |
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原則上，我們會配合勞動部比較細部的作法，就公務員部分…… |
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0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-06-10T10:47:21.378000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T10:47:24.460000+08:00 |
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以政策概念來說，就是在勞資雙方同意的前提下處理。 |
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0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
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2026-06-10T10:47:25.880000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T10:47:33.583000+08:00 |
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不過現在公務體系有一個比較大的問題是：公務員想請，但主管不核，認為不需要。 |
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0.879 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-06-10T10:47:34.164000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T10:47:40.346000+08:00 |
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所以你們到底有沒有清楚掌握什麼類型其實是適合的，並鼓勵主管配合？ |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-06-10T10:47:41.206000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-06-10T10:47:42.287000+08:00 |
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因為這其實不涉及修法。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
彭司長國華 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-06-10T10:47:44.868000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T10:48:00.936000+08:00 |
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對，如果不涉及修法，部裡面就會配合比較細部的作法，也就是確定勞動部放的範圍到底有多寬之後，我們大概就會朝那個方向再去檢討、修正，用行政規則或法規命令去處理。 |
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0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-06-10T10:48:01.730000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-06-10T10:48:06.474000+08:00 |
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所以目前你們的作法會用行政命令或法規依循來辦？ |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
彭司長國華 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-06-10T10:48:06.814000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-06-10T10:48:08.015000+08:00 |
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以法規命令去處理。 |
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0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-06-10T10:48:11.438000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-06-10T10:48:20.406000+08:00 |
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因為我時間有限，這部分我會後再跟你們約時間仔細討論，謝謝，我希望不要只是等勞動部。 |
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0.919 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-06-10T10:48:22.067000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-06-10T10:48:26.771000+08:00 |
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接下來我想問教育部跟國防部，你們是不是也會一併配合實施？ |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-06-10T10:48:29.096000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T10:48:33.157000+08:00 |
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（是）好，教育部跟國防部都會配合。 |
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0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-06-10T10:48:33.797000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
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2026-06-10T10:48:38.778000+08:00 |
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接下來是措施第十六，就是有關補助職代與替代人力的部分。 |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0.88 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-06-10T10:48:39.919000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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2026-06-10T10:48:46.820000+08:00 |
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我想請問，你們說現在有職務代理加給，可是這其實與職務代理加給完全不同！ |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.844 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-06-10T10:48:47.920000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
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2026-06-10T10:48:57.923000+08:00 |
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過去是非主管代理主管職才會有加給，但這是育兒工作所需要的職務代理，請問你們接下來會如何配合勞動部的政策來做調整與規劃？ |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
彭司長國華 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-06-10T10:48:59.356000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-06-10T10:49:02.097000+08:00 |
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勞動部這項政策主要是補助企業在……沒錯…… |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0.647 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
彭司長國華 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-06-10T10:49:02.097000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
1 |
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2026-06-10T10:49:04.238000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
是職代津貼……對。 |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
彭司長國華 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-06-10T10:49:04.238000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2026-06-10T10:49:13.641000+08:00 |
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在政府部門事實上對職務代理有一套很完整的機制，即公務員在請假或留職停薪期間，都可以依照相關法令規定…… |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0.872 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-06-10T10:49:13.901000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2026-06-10T10:49:15.041000+08:00 |
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對於因育兒而彈性減工時的部分也是可以…… |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0.722 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
彭司長國華 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-06-10T10:49:15.321000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2026-06-10T10:49:15.841000+08:00 |
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對，都有職務代理機制。 |
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0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2026-06-10T10:49:21.443000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-06-10T10:49:22.783000+08:00 |
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都有職務代理機制？ |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2026-06-10T10:49:23.003000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2026-06-10T10:49:37.286000+08:00 |
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所以接下來是不是可以明確告訴公務員，育兒彈性減工時都有職務代理加給？ |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
0.812 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
彭司長國華 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-06-10T10:49:37.286000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2026-06-10T10:49:47.328000+08:00 |
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我再說明一下，如果是非現職人員，就會找約聘僱人員代理；如果是現職人員，凡合於職務代理加給規定的，就會給他代理加給支給。 |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0.83 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
彭司長國華 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-06-10T10:49:47.328000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2026-06-10T10:49:49.069000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
另外，針對短期的…… |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
0.143 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2026-06-10T10:49:49.069000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
1 |
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2026-06-10T10:49:50.810000+08:00 |
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沒關係，因為我時間有限，待會還有其他質詢，所以我先講這一頁，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-06-10T10:49:50.810000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2026-06-10T10:50:05.762000+08:00 |
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你先看一下，因為公務機關的人員身分相當的複雜，剛剛你講的是公務人員有一個職務代理的辦法，但是因為涉及到這麼多，大家都可以使用嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
0.881 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-06-10T10:50:05.762000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2026-06-10T10:50:12.768000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
我想這個部分公務員可能也不是這樣子啦，他們可能也不清楚，可能也不是全部都可以用那個職務代理的辦法。 |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2026-06-10T10:50:13.268000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2026-06-10T10:50:26.132000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
所以我想問的是，我們是不是可以針對這麼複雜的，現在公務體系裡面不管是約聘僱人員、臨時人員、勞務承攬人力，更清楚讓大家知道職務代理的規劃是什麼。 |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
彭司長國華 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-06-10T10:50:29.704000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2026-06-10T10:50:34.306000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
委員這個簡報裡面，大概部裡面主管的就是公務員跟聘用人員啦。 |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2026-06-10T10:50:34.306000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2026-06-10T10:50:35.446000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].text |
對，我知道。 |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
彭司長國華 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2026-06-10T10:50:35.446000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2026-06-10T10:50:48.991000+08:00 |
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這兩個部分，事實上我們的相關法制，剛才講的是針對公務人員，聘用人員的部分也有做解釋，原則上是依照性工法相關規定，很多都是透過行政解釋的方式去處理約聘人員代理的問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
0.908 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2026-06-10T10:50:49.810000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2026-06-10T10:50:53.632000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].text |
對，可是因為這裡面在一起工作的人還有臨時人力、勞務承攬人力，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
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2026-06-10T10:50:53.632000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T10:50:59.515000+08:00 |
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可是他們也許並不是公務體系的，他們如果涉及職務要代理的時候，他們該怎麼辦？ |
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0.941 |
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張委員雅琳 |
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2026-06-10T10:50:59.515000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T10:51:07.758000+08:00 |
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這個部分是不是給我們一個說明、一份報告，清楚地讓我們知道，也讓所有公務人員知道，這是不是可以跟人總一起來，可以嗎？好。 |
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0.942 |
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張委員雅琳 |
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2026-06-10T10:51:07.879000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T10:51:10.140000+08:00 |
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大概什麼時候可以給我們這份報告？ |
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1 |
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張委員雅琳 |
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2026-06-10T10:51:11+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T10:51:16.723000+08:00 |
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因為這個東西如果涉及要公務人員職務代理的、要調整的，預算可能也要反映嘛，多久？ |
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0.943 |
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彭司長國華 |
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2026-06-10T10:51:17.714000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T10:51:19.795000+08:00 |
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因為大部分都是，後面大部分都是人總的。 |
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0.941 |
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張委員雅琳 |
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2026-06-10T10:51:20.235000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T10:51:21.296000+08:00 |
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對，我知道，所以我說你們兩個一起嘛！ |
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1 |
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張委員雅琳 |
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2026-06-10T10:51:21.856000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T10:51:23.737000+08:00 |
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你們兩個單位多久可以給我們這份報告？ |
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0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
彭司長國華 |
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2026-06-10T10:51:24.737000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T10:51:25.317000+08:00 |
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人總是說三個月。 |
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0.857 |
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張委員雅琳 |
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2026-06-10T10:51:25.658000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T10:51:29.599000+08:00 |
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太久了啦，之後如果要牽扯到……一個半月好不好？ |
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0.947 |
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張委員雅琳 |
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2026-06-10T10:51:29.779000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T10:51:36.202000+08:00 |
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因為這牽扯到你們如果有預算要編列啊，你們接下來預算要編列，如果要三個月，那就9月了耶，對不對？ |
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0.902 |
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張委員雅琳 |
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2026-06-10T10:51:36.202000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T10:51:40.024000+08:00 |
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你預算都已經送進來，那明年就不可能執行啊，一個半月可以嗎？ |
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1 |
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張委員雅琳 |
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2026-06-10T10:51:40.024000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T10:51:40.984000+08:00 |
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好不好？好。 |
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0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[108].start |
2026-06-10T10:51:41.465000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T10:51:41.665000+08:00 |
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好，謝謝。 |
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1 |
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主席 |
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2026-06-10T10:51:42.165000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-06-10T10:52:03.593571+08:00 |
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謝謝張委員，剛剛張委員所提示的請人事行政總處這裡要提供的報告，也麻煩請給我們委員會每個委員一份，因為我認為公務員現職的待遇跟民間企業相比較的這份報告非常重要。 |
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0 |
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主席 |
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2026-06-10T10:52:03.893571+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-06-10T10:52:09.893571+08:00 |
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待會等莊瑞雄委員詢答完畢之後，我們就休息5分鐘。 |
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0 |
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主席 |
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2026-06-10T10:52:10.193571+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-06-10T10:52:13.336429+08:00 |
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接下來請莊瑞雄委員發言。 |
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0 |