| IVOD_ID |
169912 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169912 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-20-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-10T10:17:51+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-10T10:28:55+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:04 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/dee24285c0428ea581851c9dca98771d21dd72608bfb9572ffedc3c96f086d46fac1ac43399a4bcb5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳玉珍 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:17:51 - 10:28:55 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-10T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於中央銀行（含中央造幣廠、中央印製廠）。（詢答及處理）
二、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分，關於財政部主管中國輸出入銀行、臺灣金融控股股份有限公司（含臺灣銀行股份有限公司、臺銀人壽保險股份有限公司、臺銀綜合證券股份有限公司）。（僅詢答）
【6月10日及11日兩天一次會】
【預算提案截止時間：第一案6月10日（三）上午10時，第二案6月10日（三）下午5時】） |
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謝主席喔 我要請那個財政部部長請財政部莊部長 |
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現在金門這個小三通非常的這個熱絡熱絡到這個就是小三通您知道吧就是說台灣居民從這個金門地區坐飛機到金門坐船到大陸嘛小三通來回啦非常非常熱絡那熱絡的情況下造成我們金門現在的在地的居民不管要就醫啊或者是奔商啊等等的飛機票基本上都買不到非常非常困難 |
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那當然到大陸去那個船票也買不到,那是另外一件事都至少已經影響到金門在地居民的這個基本型的這個權利了那這些很多過境的這個小三通,這些旅客啊他們都只是從台灣坐飛機到金門,然後就坐船到大陸去啊也沒有留在金門做任何消費啊那一年現在也蠻多的,這樣一百來回一兩百萬 |
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那我們金門居民都在反映這嚴重影響到金門居民的行的權利那他們也不消費 我們也沒有什麼收益那這樣子 那我們金門居民現在就是倡議對過境的旅客 我們要求徵收這個過境的稅捐 |
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捐或是費用反正稅我們在想說是不是透過這個地方的這個縣議會這個地方稅法通則的部分然後來做一個刻一個特別的看是什麼樣的稅捐叫做地方稅我們用一個地方的稅的自治條例好 那這個事情很多年以前事實上已經金門縣政府就已經提案 |
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跟這個財政部請求啦 就請你們備查嘛 請你們要同意啦那也行文來 那你們那時候的報告有說 那是很多年前啦很多年前啦 你們駁回啊 你們說這個我們提出來了 然後我們司法性審查給財政部 財政部說以進出轄區非涉及之自然人為客徵對象恐不利於人力資源流動 損及國家利益 這當初財政部的說法 |
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那這個東西現在來講合理嗎 |
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跟委員報告委員很清楚剛剛提到地方政府可以依照地方稅法通則的規定來開徵所謂的特別稅客或臨時稅客或附加稅客都可以但它有一個但書就是說如果有損及國家整體利益或其他地方的公共利益者不得開徵但是如果這件事情損及什麼國家利益 |
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我知道那但是呢我想這個地方政府他要擬定這個所謂的自治條例然後報財政部的時候財政部是會召開相關的委員會來審查的那我以小山東這個例子損及什麼國家利益之前您剛剛提到的是之前曾經的部分那開會審查獲得這樣的一個結論那我想這個部分呢如果地方政府還是要定的話我們還是要召開委員會來審查我先問你政策方向吧 |
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現在我們如果開徵地方的稅責讓小三通的人變少嘛因為價錢徵收了嘛那不是正好符合民進黨中央的兩岸政策嗎他不要台灣人到大陸去接受統戰啊不要到大陸去做交流啊這個才是政治正確啊 |
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對不對 我們課稅以後錢變得比較多 很多人就比較不會過去啊因為那個成本比較高啊那你現在禁止 你說不讓我們課你是鼓勵更多人過去是嗎 你的政治正確嗎 |
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我想這個部分好我現在就問你現在進行如果要這樣做你要怎麼回答是民國93年曾經對那是93年對那現在是115年的話依照程序的話我們會送委員會我現在就先請教你委員會還沒有開我不可以在這邊直接就幫委員會做決定你跟我說有政策方向就是說我們現在讓經過小山東人因為多收錢讓他錢 |
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收成本變高嘛這樣就讓可能有些人就不會經過這條路過去嘛是這樣子政治比較正確吧你覺得呢我想這個部分我們召開委員會的話委員會委員會你幫我研究一下這個在委員會來做決論你不要退個委員會你告訴我這個可不可行你研究一下可不可行也可以研究是對因為你現在是現在民進黨的意思說是希望少一點人過去嘛因為經過不要過去道路嘛那我們課徵高一點嘛一千兩千三千五千 |
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你研究一下可以嗎因為原來說是這樣子不利於人員流動那民進黨反正也不要人員流動啊而且我們為了我跟委員報告這還是法律的規定法律的規定有兩個方法一個叫地方稅法通責另外一個當然我可以在李小金的條例裡面徵涉一個法源要求說我一個法源說讓地方可以去徵收這樣的稅責你覺得哪個方向比較好 |
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我想跟我們報告離島建設條例因為是屬於國發會這個到時候還是有會問你們因為我們要設這個給一個法院讓地方去徵這個稅如果你不同意我們也是要徵我們要給一個法院要哪個方向你比較偏好啦我想這個部分還是需要再做研議 |
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你的方向呢 你自己的想法呢你覺得我們應該讓地方 直接在地方售好通貨科了以後 經過地方議會刪讀這還要經過地方民意同意嘛報你們備查比較好了 對不對還是說是乾脆從李老金的條例來做讓有一個法院 讓地方政府去做 |
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你找建設條例屬於國發會主管我還是跟委員報告那所以通則你如果訂的話報財政部財政部會有委員會來審議嘛所以就你是委員會的議員嗎我不是委員會的議員那哪一些是委員會的委員我把這個題目給你喔 |
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那妳認為呢 妳個人立場呢我想這裡不宜就個人立場來表達妳身為一個財政部國家部會首長竟然沒有任何立場站在國家的立場支持不支持我們依照法律的途徑來說財政部說的 |
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這個對這個自然人非涉及的自然人當課程對象不利人利流動損及國家利益這句話現在你支不支持這個當時是應該是民國93年那時候對阿現在呢現在你覺得這句話還可用嗎這句話的話是委員會當時的審議最後還是要回到委員會去審議阿現在呢 |
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請央行行政總裁 |
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全台的台風金馬買賣移動的變化移轉房仲業者統計這麼多縣市2024跟2025金門還增加 年增率1.02%全台都在minus 都增減買賣變少金門增加這是2024跟2025的數據 |
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我們今天的房價現在在最好的那個重劃區那裡一坪大概三四十萬大概已經算是也不我個人也很不便宜啦這個大概跟新北的一些地方差不多啦好 那你們這個 |
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管制嘛 因為6月份不是又要開會了嗎你們這個管制喔事實上整個來講好像整個房地產的這個價錢波動相當小喔只有下修1.1%嘛那但是建商想法是不一樣啊因為通膨嘛 成本也增加的確是成本也增加所以建商覺得他們事實上已經少賺了啦投資客當然也很少 現在也沒有人要買房子大部分都沒有人 他們都去買股票了嘛房地產大概是 |
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我聽說你們要說這個軟著陸那你看三個方向嘛政策開發商然後購屋的民眾購屋民眾也沒有覺得房地產跌嘛因為一趴也是很無感嘛然後開發商就覺得自己又少賺因為事實上成本也增加通膨啊成本啊最近廢塗啊什麼各方面也是增加很多成本大家都看到那您的這個方向呢 |
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我想我跟委員報告因為我們6月18號6月18號是我們禮監事禮監事會禮監事會的前10天基本上所有的委員都是監默期就有這一次的所有的所以如果7號來問你就可以回答那大概是可以的 |
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因為這個我們也不是說請召委特別就是說把他排在這一天的那是剛好是碰巧的是剛好碰巧的那你整體的思考一下是是是 我們會 我想我跟委員報告就是說委員在那一天會充分來討論各項的議題然後做出 |
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就整體的經濟 金融房地產也沒有跌嘛但是建商也覺得很苦嘛因為剛剛看到股票的發展啦大家也覺得這個產業很苦但是但是老百姓也無感嘛但是實在是面對一個很相當兩難的這個情形啦那你們的當然堅持打到現在好像也沒什麼可能有一點點效果預期心理的改變這個我承認這個是有啦但整個實際的是影響也很小那我想請問財政部啦 |
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605.293 |
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631.636 |
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那個財政部的新青安的7月31號退場以後2.0你們這個因為之前房地產漲的一個原因是新青安那之前幾年前這個新青安這樣整個整個飛起來財政部有什麼這個嗎會不會讓新青安2.0再變成房價推升的助力新青安當時推出的時候正好在房地產市場在上揚的時候所以因為新青安推出可能讓他會加速的一個 |
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632.409 |
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653.627 |
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上升那這一次2.0推出的時候當然我們也會在審慎的考量房地產市場的現況民眾的需求還有金融市場的準備等等這個都是我們在推出新的在方案的時候都會把它考慮進去央行也要非常小心這個現在勺子壞是因為地產那個實在是很辛苦了地產這個年輕人都很難買房子謝謝總委員謝謝委員下一位請顏寬能委員質詢 |