| IVOD_ID |
16989 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16989 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-15-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-29T08:36:16+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-29T12:28:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:51:44 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/eeffa975d6a1e3ea021bb07685947ff682c5cdbe149175fa0aa126c40303dc271c0d8b5437ffe54e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請內政部部長、海洋委員會主任委員、內政部警政署署長、內政部移民署署長、海洋委員會海巡署署長、農業部部長、財政部關務署署長，就「防堵非洲豬瘟邊境檢疫與查緝機制之檢討與精進作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、審查委員徐巧芯等16人擬具「海岸巡防法第十三條條文修正草案」案。
【法律案僅詢答】
【10月29日及30日兩天一次會】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
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08:36:16 - 12:28:00 |
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請主任秘書報告出席人數現在開會進行報告事項 請宣讀上次會議意思錄 |
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立法院第十一屆第四會期內政委員會第七次全體委員會議議事錄時間一百一十四年十月二十二日星期三上午九時至十時五十三分地點紅樓二零二會議室出席委員蘇巧慧委員等十三人列席委員葉元之委員等十二人請假委員黃建斌委員一人列席官員內政部部長劉思芳及相關人員國防部資源規劃司人力資源處檢認事查錄新庭及相關人員法務部檢察官李芷琪 |
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行政院主席總處公務預算處專門委員李培元主席王昭基委員美會報告事項一 宣讀上次會議事錄決定確定二 邀請內政部就替代役訓練及備役召集運用進行專題報告並備質詢報告事項幾 討論事項合併詢答委員羅美玲 臺灣民眾黨黨團代表委員蔓玉珍說明提案要旨 |
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內政部部長劉思芳報告委員蘇巧慧等11人質詢分別由內政部部長劉思芳及相關人員及國防部資源規劃司人力資源處檢任視察盧新廷答覆說明決定一登記發言委員處不在場則外其餘均與發言完畢詢答結束二委員林楚英謝龍介吳啟明高金淑美所提書面質詢列入記錄刊登公報三書面質詢及未及答覆部分請相關機關於一週內另以書面 |
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答覆並複製本會 討論事項一審查委員王美惠等18人拟據替代實施條例第59條條文修正草案二審查委員羅美玲等18人拟據替代實施條例增訂第55條之五條文草案三審查臺灣命中黨黨團拟據替代實施條例第55條之一條文修正草案決議一請內政部緊速會同相關單位研議妥適之修正條文內容二討論事項所列議案均另定期繼續審查條文尚未宣讀 宣讀完畢 |
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請問各位委員上次會議議事錄有無錯誤或遺漏那我們現在繼續進行本次的議程請宣讀 |
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報告事項邀請內政部部長海洋委員會主任委員內政部警政署署長內政部移民署署長海洋委員會海巡署署長農業部部長財政部官務署署長就防堵非洲豬瘟邊境檢疫與查緝機制之檢討與精進作為進行專題報告並被質詢討論事項審查委員徐巧欣等16人離去海岸尋訪法第13條條文修正查案宣讀完畢 |
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本次議程所列報告事項與討論事項合併答詢那現在介紹在場的委員還有列席的官員首先介紹我們的王美惠召委我們舒喬惠委員張志倫委員許巧欣委員 |
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今天列席的官員有我們內政部的政司馬事員馬次長警政署張榮興張署長移民署林鴻恩林署長海委會主委管碧玲管主委還有我們海委會常務副主委兼海巡署署長張忠榮 |
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然後這個是農業部動植物防疫檢疫署的署長杜耀都署長財政部官務署的署長彭英偉彭署長法務部法治司林黛麗副市長 |
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我們現在請提案委員說明提案要旨 請徐曉軍委員提案說明 |
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謝謝主席我想這個相關的修正案其實是因為我們國家沿海的執法挑戰可以說是日益嚴峻就像是我們今天其實在樓上的外交國防委員會國安局的報告裡面也都有談到關於灰色作戰地帶的一些問題 |
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所以兩岸之間其實在包含我們第一線的海巡人員的各種突發狀況之下其實它已經不只是原本的海巡的工作它更包含的是我們對於國安的一個要求所以經常需要的是及時完整的蒐證錄影跟錄音這早就已經是現代執法不可或缺的一環 |
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也是保障民眾權益跟執法人員自身安全的重要憑據那包含是像我們一般來講說這個警察他們也都有相關的這個器材要求那作為他們自己不管是自我保護或者是日後他在蒐證上面或者是我們要釐清問題真相的時候非常好的一個憑據 |
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那回顾呢在108年立法院决议要求配发全面每一人都要有一台的这个密录器那多次的争取相关的设备跟筹购但是呢每个人一台的这个理想似乎是还没有达到那去年发生的这个金门撞船案的时候呢海委会也承诺了114年完成密录器百分之百编装率的目标 |
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那這一次修正案裡面呢也是希望能夠回應現場同仁跟社會大眾的期待那最主要是呢一個固定的那一個呢是可能可以比較自由去運用的就是說在船上裝固定式的監視的設備那個人的部分呢不管他是用攝影器材錄音或是其他科技工具都可以那用這樣的方式可以有效的防止 |
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先前相關的事件因為沒有及時收證那導致真相的爭議證據已失的憾事重演所以我在這裡也強調一次那因為我有看到這個海委會有提到就是說呢擔心說呢這個列出了相關的科技設備的話會不會有摯愛難行或是掛一漏萬的疑慮呢那我想我們這裡寫得非常清楚是不會有這種情況的簡單說就是 |
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1929.508 |
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船上一種的固定器材監視設備以及相關人員是任選一種的不管是攝影器材、盾號、錄音器材或其他科技工具都可以所以要做什麼樣的科技工具選擇對於個人配置的這個部分其實是呈現開放式的但是在每一台的艦艇上面無論大小都應該要有 |
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1982.674 |
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固定的監視設備否則的話像上一次的這個兩岸之間漁船的爭議那就沒有相關的這個設備可以做後續的這個釐清以至於當時我們有花了非常多的時間試圖去討論這個真相為何但我們卻沒有相關的影片可以作為佐證對我方來說是相當不利的 |
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1983.254 |
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2006.783 |
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所以呢這項修法他不僅是補齊設備的空缺更是守護我們所有海巡人員的職安而且也保重民眾知情的權利確保執法公信力跟透明度讓每一分的執法過程都有據可查也讓不實指控跟執法疑慮呢是有跡可循的所以呢再一次希望各位委員跟海委會能夠支持本案謝謝 |
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2009.634 |
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2023.047 |
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謝謝提亮委員 徐協勳委員的說明那補充介紹還有到場的丁薛忠委員也到我們現場那先這邊請我們接下來請海委會管病組委做我們的專題與法案一併來報告 |
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2036.536 |
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2052.877 |
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主席 各位委員先進各位女士先生 大家好感謝貴委員會邀請本會列席今日的會議僅就兩項專案報告提出以下說明針對防堵非洲豬瘟邊境檢疫與查緝機制的檢討與精進的部分自報告如下 |
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2079.672 |
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2018年临近国家爆发非洲猪瘟疫情以后本会海巡署及设置防治非洲猪瘟紧急应变机制落实岸海相关勤务多年来处置蛛丝均依上述作业程序妥善处理农业部于本月22日公告台中市发生疑似非洲猪瘟案例本会及指示海巡署成立紧急应变中心 |
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并于同日12时30分召开第一次应变会议截至28日止即召开4次启动防范非洲周恩疫情专案计划要求各单位秉持防疫势同作战的态度权力守护国门及民众的健康本会还迅速全面加强港口与岸际的检查所有进港渔船实施百分之百安检 |
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若查獲病死株或禽畜廢棄物將立即管制現場通報防檢局機關等採樣並由相關單位焚燒或掩埋同時依行政院主委院長指示加強 |
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防范走私落实边境管制经统计今年1月1日到10月26日已经执行海上登检可疑船舶141艘次进港船舶安检131万余艘次并针对渔民进行177万余人次的防疫宣导确保及时应变与防堵作为114年执行至离岛 |
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執行外離島至本島國內航線貨物拆檢檢查查緝案件即韓宋海關385案其中發現違規農產品61案其餘為大陸製加工食品及大陸製物品展現強化港舖安全與防疫查緝成效令自107年12月迄今總計處理海漂株枝屍體 |
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179案阳性案例除了一例以外均为金门马祖这案例本岛自110年以来不曾有案记诸失成阳性反应未来将持续落实探案巡查与防疫作为总之海巡人员将秉持最高的标准最严谨的态度宁可多做不可少做不怕做白宫的原则全面投入动员非洲诸瘟防堵作战 |
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另有關於海岸巡防法第13條條文修正草案之說明如下感謝貴文會邀請也感謝提案委員的關心現行海岸巡防法第13條已充分授權海岸巡防機關與執法期間彈性配備相應之應勤裝備令本會海巡署也已經在113年修正艦船艇人力規劃及裝備西行基準要點 |
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律定所有艦船艇及海巡人员于执勤期间需配置或携带相关搜证及录影设备可确保案件处置过程搜证作业完备档一提案所提 |
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應配備固定的監視設備及相關攝錄影器材或其他科技工具欲有狹窄空間之搜索、崎嶇、暗器、非車輛所及地點之巡邏或者需隱匿身份之跟監等相關必須因地制宜、遂行勤務之處恐將造成執行的障礙 |
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另如果以列舉的各式裝備方式修正海岸循環法恐僵化的選擇適宜裝備之彈性自有怪異漏案之疑慮原建議維持原條文內容以上報告敬請見和指導謝謝謝謝管主委的報告那補充今天到場還有我們現在到場是我們的牛許庭委員 |
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那接下來請內政部馬市馬市長馬常事 馬市院市長說明主席各位委員女士先生大家早安我國自從107年12月18日成立非洲豬瘟莊在應變中心後本部警政署及移民署被列為應變中心的成員那也依照相關的計畫跟防疫規定跟 |
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所有的部會建立聯繫的窗口來防堵非洲豬瘟的入侵以下內政部緊究邊境檢疫及查緝的機制與其精進的作為做簡要的說明分為四個部分第一個部分有關於邊境管控的部分本部在航空的部分由警政署航警局來協助關務署 |
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於桃園機場就重點航班39個疫區國家的入境旅客拖運行李辦理篩檢作業如果發現來自於疫區的豬肉製品會及時通報農業部防檢署處理令航警局於台北松山台中台南高雄花蓮金門南北竿等機場執行勤務的過程中依照 |
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桃園機場的作業程序一樣發現疫區來自於豬肉製品也會及時通報防檢署派員處理在商港的部分在海關移民檢疫安檢的合作機制內本部警政署港務警察總隊執行船員以及工作人員及民眾進出商港管制區安全檢查工作一樣針對豬肉製品等會進行所謂的邊境查緝的工作 |
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自12月22號至今警政署已經派遣5389人次支援農業部以及各部會在邊境茶器的工作上面來防堵豬肉製品的進口那麼移民署另外在我們的機場以及港口的茶宴大廳也張貼相關的海報跟防疫宣導的短片來針對我們的 |
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航空以及港口入出境的人員來進行宣導提醒勿攜帶國外的自落製品入境此外 農業部防檢署也列冊高風險的特定對象移民署在高風險特定對象入境時會告知檢疫站派員來完成特定對象的清消以及查詢工作 |
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截至10月26號止目前我們已經完成了1194人次那麼其中違規攜帶豬肉類產品入境而且沒有具居留身份當場也沒有查清沒有繳清發源者那麼立即拒絕入境目前有606人那在第二個部分有關於多元多餘的宣導由於我國有許多的住民來自於東南亞以及中國大陸地區 |
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那麼在飲食習慣上面跟豬肉製品息息相關所以我們對於外籍人士的族群宣傳我們也針對細胞簡訊E-mail還有圖卡的部分在臉書加強專業的一個宣導只要有外籍移民的相關活動以及節慶的期間移民署也會到場來加強宣導跟訪視提醒的工作 |
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那目前我們總共辦理了5689場次宣導的人次也超過了18萬人那麼也有行動服務列車2423車次來對我們的新住民朋友來提醒那麼在第三部分有關於查緝精進的作為部分 |
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那目前我們在收報有關於不法物品進入我國的部分除了豬肉之外還有其他的非法槍毒等那這些我們都會跨部會機關合作來預先預防這些不法物品的入境所以在查緝的原則上面有所謂的事不放原則也就是看不清不放查不清不放交代不清不放有懷疑不放的四大原則來協助關務署 |
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的同仁進行行李托運的一個查驗那麼也派駐我們具備土壤辨識能力的遠景支援海關的一個查緝的工作那麼第三有關於高風險船舶的部分那麼如果港區有曾經靠駁高風險註記的船舶那麼在裝卸貨的期間警政署也會安排警力那這時候也會包含寶山總隊的警力 |
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來協助房檢署跟海巡署的同仁協助登船檢查那麼第四個也就是在名冊的盤點我們目前內政部也針對販賣豬肉製品的外國朋友跟外國移民的這個商家我們有建立了名冊那這些名冊跟食藥署還有各地方政府衛生局我們也建立了合作的管道那不定期的會進行合作的宣導清查以及增防 |
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那麼此外我們也有具備東南亞語文的相關同仁那會留意在網站社群媒體上面的這些情資看看是否有這個不當的這樣的一個豬肉製品的進口跟交易的行為那麼也會配合檢疫跟衛生單位來做聯合稽查那針對違法的情勢來加強偵辦由於目前的非洲豬瘟的疫情嚴峻 |
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所以本部的移民署跟警政署我們目前維持高度警戒也會全力協助財政部關務署農業部房檢署以及衛福部食藥署等機關執行相關的防疫工作希望能夠將疫情阻絕於境外來守護國人健康安居的環境那以上報告敬請各位先進不吝指教謝謝好謝謝馬市長 |
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那其他單位的報告請委員自行參閱並刊登公報現在進行詢問委員質詢前願立作以下幾點宣告第一本會委員發言時間五分鐘必要時延長兩分鐘非本會委員發言時間五分鐘上午十點三十截止發言登記那本次會議就不處理臨時提案請各位有沒有意見 |
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好那我們現在進行詢問請登記地位的舒喬惠委員發言好謝謝主席我想請我們防疫檢疫署杜麗華署長 |
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署長好 署長 我想我們防疫是全國的事情不分中央跟地方那我們在這七年來我們把非洲豬瘟其實是守得很好一直主角於境外直到今日所以做得好的事情好的防疫要能夠持續為是只有兩個嘛第一個就是做得好的動作持續 |
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做不好有洞的地方就補洞精準的把漏洞找出來把它補齊這才是防疫能夠持續的方式署長完全同意嘛 對不對完全同意嘛好 那所以我們今天在此刻10月的現在發生了爆發第一起非洲豬瘟在國內這樣的狀況我們這個現在的狀況你到底它的洞在哪裡是邊境要加鹽嗎 |
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還是是在境內要來阻絕呢我認為其實我們應該現在要處理的是國內到底會不會這個案件擴大這才是現在的重中之重不然的話你國內如果大爆發你邊境再怎麼防堵其實我們就整個豬場所有的養豬事業都已經去料料了啊 |
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這農民都這樣 豬農都這樣說了嘛 對不對所以我們的重中之重應該是放在國內現在要查清楚署長應該也同意吧防疫視同作戰嘛要精準的了解戰場才知道資源現在要怎麼配置嘛好 所以我今天沒有要跟你談邊境防疫的這個管制啊那我們現在就來談今天本件個案來 我們現在看嘛其實這一件非洲豬瘟的時序表 |
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10月10號豬隻死亡個案出現而且據現在的疫調通報是一次是報了20頭豬超過了這個300頭豬的這個豬場超過了他的百分之百分之相當多了嘛百分之將近10了啊百分之782吧對不對 |
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好 接下來有獸醫師到場單位採檢然後10月20號的時候又有另外的獸醫師到現場才終於採檢署長 我想問的是說其實在這個部分我們到底誰可以採檢採檢的要件到底是哪裡因為這就是整個案件的第一步第一個洞就是出現在這裡署長你同意吧 對不對好 那我問你什麼時候 粉件什麼時候可以採檢什麼時候應該要採檢 |
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報告委員本件有異常嗎300頭豬的豬場一次死了20頭豬這是異常嗎我跟委員來做報告14號之前那這個他有這個異常的部分大概是5次從11月1號你就告訴我啦你就用 你是專家嘛你就很簡單一句話告訴我一個300頭豬的豬場通報了你我今天死了20頭豬 |
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超過5%這樣算不算異常 是算不算 有有嘛 算異常嘛好 所以算異常那應不應該採檢因為現在其實坊間的徵典竟然變成是說啊 我們沒有典型的症狀所以無法強制採檢現在的徵典變成是這樣啊所以我偏查所有的法規喔能不能夠採檢其實就是只有這條規定嘛 |
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就是在動物傳染病防治條例的第17條啊受醫師或受醫佐醫執行業務發現動物罹患 罹患或可能感染罹患或可能感染的時候就應於24小時內向當地當地的動物防疫機關報告而動物防疫機關接到報告的時候是應立即為必要之處置 |
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署長我採用的這條法規有問題嗎這個是甲類甲類的傳染病一定要照這樣來做通報但如果是一般的疾病就不是這樣子所以一般他是不是甲類還是一般就完全取決於現場獸醫師的判斷嗎假設說我們牧場他有一般的都有特約的獸醫師那認為有疑似他就要通知台中的動保處是台中的動保處嘛當地嘛對不對 |
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對 然後來查核事 那我們現在看下面啦我給你看其他縣市的做法啦其他縣市這些也通通都是已經知道是假類了嗎這些案件都知道是假類所以才去採檢嗎 |
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只要有棄置河邊 我棄置河邊我就知道它是甲類了喔我排泄物有異樣了 我當場採檢也是因為我知道它是甲類了嗎在一隻海漂豬來 我看著它我就知道說喔這甲類 所以我應該要採檢是這樣嗎海漂豬的部分我們已經跟海巡共同第一時間就處理對嘛 那前面那個呢 第一個2018年的時候花蓮六隻豬被棄置在河邊呢我眼睛看到它我就知道是甲類了嗎 |
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在我們的海邊簡單講就是有沒有警覺性嘛我們新北市在有養豬場排泄物異樣的時候就可以當場採檢了啊對不對所以其實就是這一個地方到底有沒有警覺性它是不是傳染病我當然是要驗了以後我才知道是什麼狀況啊不是是這樣嗎海漂豬的處理師每一屆一定印 |
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我這裡又不是只有海漂豬而已這個這個所列出來的目前的這個大概都是跟我們跟海巡一起處理的海漂豬那我第一項是嗎我第二項是嗎對河邊也是淡水養豬場也是海漂豬喔河口的地方也是海邊河邊我們一律都一個標準就是一定驗這個標準一定是特別的高我本來齁在這個台上 |
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要告訴你的就是說我們現在的標準就是應該要重演嘛所以我們的警覺性要提高嘛所以接下來的話任何有豬隻異常的話一個 你剛剛都已經說了一個300頭豬的養豬場20頭豬20頭豬能夠一次性死亡這個如果還比較異常的話那 |
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我不曉得什麼才叫做異常啦連一般人我不是專家我都知道這是異常了所以不用採檢嗎這麼簡單的道理對不對大家在這種防範防成這樣今天這麼多部會要來說邊境加嚴管理結果你一個獸醫師到現場看20頭豬超過了7%的死亡率你不用採檢你不用通報有這種事情那為什麼我們這麼多單位要在這邊這麼嚴格的防疫 |
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不是是這樣嗎好你現在作為署長我已經給你這個樓梯了你竟然還在說你不加嚴我不能理解欸對不起那個我真的不能理解報告委員我可能說沒清楚其實都已經加嚴了那之前的部分對加嚴已經有加嚴了我覺得這樣我問不下去了抱歉抱歉 |
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我們省非洲蘇溫熟了7年是這是在蘇院長的時候就已經嚴格去做執行到現在沒有變沒有變還是要更加你現在告訴我說300頭豬的豬場有一次20頭豬死亡是異常 |
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不用通報 不用採檢 不用加嚴未來不用再更嚴格的處理都要所以現在的動作一切是正常的不是 他不是正常 他是異常他絕對要有後續的處理那所以呢所以後續的處理台中市的動保處要回報給我們那他到底是有去宣傳法事你知道嗎如果我們的傳染期我們的檢服期是15天我們現在的第一頭豬死亡的時間是10月10號 |
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對 我是10月10號他才通知他10月9號就可能有狀況了10月10號以前的豬有出去了嗎 |
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你也不知道啊因為台中市政府給你的三次疫調所以台中市政府的疫調署長我事實上我跟你們要報告說現在豬到底死亡幾頭你們沒有報告給我耶在我們的畫廠你沒有報告給我蘇巧惠辦公室耶好 那我們你現在有嗎你現在在備詢台中說嘛9月1號起一直到我們10月13號你這次本件到底已經現在目前為止死了多少頭豬我們的畫廠的數字顯示9月1號起到10月 |
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13號的抽驗是106頭這數字誰給你的21號 但是這是我們的化智廠的不是 是我們的這個系統的警示但現在就是台中市政府只回報給我們78頭所以我們現在要求他們 |
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落差在哪裡 對啊對 所以要求台中市政府把疫調這個裡面要釐清楚到底死亡的頭數是多少頭那到目前為止還他們所提出來的市長對於你今天的這個回答我非常的不滿意啦好 我檢討我非常的不滿意是 我檢討 |
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已經發生了這麼多天全國人民驚慌產業界消費者大家都陰陰的期盼就是應該要有一套東西可以拿出來告訴我們說現在有一個洞出現了而我明確的知道洞在哪裡我接下來要怎麼補結果你現在沒有辦法在備詢台上面一次告訴我 |
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我拍頭就已經說了防疫是中央跟地方的事情我們沒有要推責但是該是誰的責任動在哪裡大家講清楚嘛這哪有什麼黨派之分這哪有中央跟地方之分所以你該講的就應該在這裡講出來你到底是在擔心什麼東西呢如果是台中市政府沒有資訊給你在這裡講出來嘛 |
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我相信其他的委員各縣市的都一樣擔心啊我們已經在應變中心跟應變所的會議一再要求台中市政府要表議調也就是這些包括來源包括死亡投訴包括三年單的部分所以你有東西了嗎除以你有東西了嗎你現在有資料了嗎昨天的時候他們昨天下午三點那你對於台中市政府不給你資料所以你現在沒有辦法在這裡回答委員他們已經已經給我們昨天下午三點給我們那資料是準確的嗎11點 |
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已經送我們的專家委員會要針對他的報告 完整報告做審視 |
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所以在審視之前你也不知道那是不是正確的嗎有 昨天已經初步初步的這個簡報那個什麼他的那個疫調報告已經有回應他一些意見要求他再詳細的補充說明我覺得我在立法院問政這樣十年我想我的品質應該是還受到肯定如果連我現在在這裡都聽不懂你在說什麼的話那難怪國人聽不懂這個報告啦好 對不起 |
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好 謝謝蘇喬惠委員下一位我們請張志倫委員質詢 張委員有請好 謝謝主席 各位委員 各位官員早有請內政部馬政次 警政署張署長 海委會管主委以及這個關務署的彭署長林副司長 張署長 |
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管主委還有哪一個官務還有彭署長有請 |
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好各位長官大家早今天為什麼要請每個單位的長官大家一起到這邊因為剛剛我們蘇委員也特別質詢也非常義憤填膺為什麼因為非洲豬瘟台灣已經防疫7年成功了那今年的5月29號台灣也獲得國際的這些衛生組織的獎章正式列為非疫區想不到在5個月的今天今天10月29號 |
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我們必須要這邊再質詢請教各位官員為什麼非洲豬瘟會在台灣發生首例而且目前來講就像剛剛在討論的部分現在還在努力的防堵當然就我們國家而言防堵病毒的入侵 |
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不只是以國內防疫為主那邊境檢疫要共同守住動物健康的防線是非常重要尤其是嚴格的邊境檢疫策略是扮演關鍵的角色作為杜絕疾病境外的第一道防線不管是機場、港口、郵局這些通路都要強化查驗來防止動物跟其產品的非法輸入所以第一個我想要請問我們各單位的 |
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長官現在有沒有查出非洲豬瘟的防疫破口是在哪裡是不是請各單位的主管簡單說明一下先有請內政部的馬次長請問有查到現在非洲豬瘟的防疫破口是哪裡嗎跟委員報告我們在行警局我們配合各個單位執行我們的邊境查驗那從110年到現在我們總共查了1593件那麼也查扣了2000多公斤 |
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這裡面我們有陽性的建築所以馬市長認為您這邊是百分之百防疫沒有問題我們現在的部分執行的強度非常高旅客非法攜帶的部分還是我們查緝的重點謝謝接下來請海委會管主委主委這邊 |
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海巡署在案記誅師的部分大概成功的攔阻了20個案例我們採取的是百分之百都當作非洲族文來處理這個部分是百分之百的所以179次只有20次是陽性159次我們不認為那個是做白宮因為有必要 |
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我們就是當作有可能所以我們第一時間防護衣穿著就衝出去好 這是海巡的做法好 謝謝管主委接下來我們請張署長好 委員我們的邊境管制最主要是機場跟港口由我們的航空警察局協助貫入署對於入境旅客那台灣機場的部分就是對於入境的這個行李配合海關在做這樣的一個檢視 |
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那另外旅客的部分就是這個水手攜帶的目前是由關務署就是由防檢署對於這個疫區來有專線在做檢查那我想就是這個是有歷史的變從108年到108年我們原先這個內政部是有支援這個防檢署是專案在看但108年的7月以後就回歸給 |
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給這個灌入署來他們的德情保全大隊就對了對對對所以這個部分的行李就移給他們來做其實這方面的非洲之音的這個檢查是非常嚴謹的那另外就是說這個剛剛我們這次也提過就是從111年到目前為止大概這個查驗的這個狀況大概有這樣的跡象那港口的部分是由這個我們的港務警察總隊 |
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配合海關還有這些檢疫單位一起來做一個質詢謝謝署長我們請關務署報告委員這六七年來海關一向以高標準高規格高警覺來防渡非洲豬瘟都沒有鬆懈政策也都沒有改變過那我們會繼續嚴查這個非洲豬瘟加強力道那這幾年來也查獲了13500多件都移送防監署去做採訪以上 |
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剛剛聽完各個我們所有邊際防疫的長官回覆後我有幾個問題想要來請問第一個我們先請內政部馬次長馬次長 |
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就我這邊得知就有關於這個航警局的這個部分那航警局我這邊有收到線索就是說航警局的部分有人力就是來協助有關於這個貨物的進出口負責的這個非洲豬瘟的查驗 |
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那我這邊有得到消息因為我還沒有找到確切的數字聽說航警局的部分人力是有吃緊的一個部分那很多的人力是被調到其他的單位比如說像寶二的關鍵基礎設施請問有沒有這樣的情形沒有這個問題我們對於這個寶二的這個一波都是要填選自願的所以對於這個航空的恩賢大隊的警力現在是充足的 |
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這幾年的人數是不是有逐年下降目前大概就是說大概缺200多人那我在今年的10月13日再補54人安檢大隊對於這個出境或入境的這個警力的這個執行目前是沒有問題的 |
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好就是航警局現在就是配合這個安檢大隊安檢大隊現在警力是沒問題的可是就我得知啦因為我還沒有要到確切的數字就是逐年我們這個安檢大隊的人力是有短少的那我收到的消息是有被拍到這個寶二的關鍵基礎設施所以這邊拜託署長會後是不是可以提供我們相關的數字如果人數有減少就是邊境查緝這個非洲豬瘟的或者是一些毒品的人數 |
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尤其在這個入境的部分尤其檢查貨物的部分人力有少請要儘速來補齊好嗎好沒問題好謝謝第二個我們請管主委主委好那請問一下你們現在這個海巡的人員在剛剛你特別講到的在查緝這個岸邊查緝這個疑似有走私的船的時候你們人力的數量人力的人數是否足夠 |
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各位有没有报告确实我们在海上的人力今年的上半年有一个短期间的落差因为毕业的同学考完试然后要你确定为什么我今天问这些问题其实就是我们的边际的防疫不管是大家都很辛苦我是知道这个部分完全没有问题这个问题我们只要发现这个部分我们只要发现到目前为止是百分之百我们都处理的 |
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對其實這就是我要講的尤其在海巡的部分我也收到這個海巡人員給我的一些小建議他說雖然是100%的查緝可是查緝的時間跟查緝的精準度上如果你只有一兩個人去查的話一個漁民他會覺得說你查了很久 |
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他會不耐煩造成查緝人員的一些心理壓力我原說的是安檢對安檢的人員那所以我的意思是說如果你們人力不足還是需要拜託你們把這個人力的狀況稍微去補齊一下我們下半年會把這個同學畢業以後然後經過考試訓練完畢以後他們就位的時候上半年的時候離職的數字下半年都補足了所以什麼時候會補足 |
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我們已經報到已經報到了絕大部分但是還有一個是特考特考的部分是11月11月就會補足好謝謝拜託盡快補足來把這個邊境的這個安檢的部分再加強那最後我再請這個關務署的部分 |
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好 關武署那剛剛大家都講說查緝都沒有問題那我還是希望說第一個人力要補足那我在請教的時候最近新聞也在提說現在在夜市販賣很多這個國外包含大陸相關的一些零食它是沒有貼這個繁體標示可能是走私入境的一個部分 |
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那就關務署而言你認為這麼像現在很多在夜市大量的大陸的零食算不算是走私的一部分那這些部分會不會有藏有這個豬肉尤其是疫區的豬肉那這些來路不明的食品那會不會成為防疫的破口請關務署回答是 報告委員現在這個食品的部分6公斤以下個人是可以帶進來自用的 |
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是不是有走私的行為因為如果只有6公斤以下那為什麼會產生這麼大量的在夜市上販售的情形你們要怎麼去檢查這些問題那這種可能的情形有時候可能是小山洞這邊用螞蟻搬家的方式一個人經常進出這個國境 |
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一個人6公斤那有可能慢慢的就累積多了但是他限於要自用不能到市場上去販賣到市場販賣是違反規定的那你們現在有什麼加強的一個查緝的措施嗎當然肉品是不行含肉的豬肉製品當然都不能所以現在都沒有含肉的製品不含肉的食品是一個人有6公斤的限制可以帶進來 |
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那後市場的查緝的話可能要多仰賴這個我們相關的警察還有其他的單位來協助因為海關就是通商口岸的邊境的把守好 謝謝那今天本席最後還是要拜託我們各單位的長官第一個人力的部分要再多補強那第二個就是各部會跨部會的協調再拜託一下我們邊境的安檢跟防疫謝謝 |
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好 謝謝張志倫委員 下一位我們請張宏祿委員質詢來 我請警政署長張署長有請還有海巡署署長海巡署署長有請還有 |
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農業部的動植物防疫檢疫署署長杜署長有請還有財政部關務署的署長彭署長有請這一次這個非洲豬瘟這件事我們努力了那麼多年那就破功了我想請問一下這個到底有沒有疏忽這個農業局的杜署長 |
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其實從我們現在目前的資料來講台中本身其實這個是應該是一個追查的一個重點不是 有沒有疏忽應該是有疏忽才會造成的有嘛 我就有這句嘛一個疏忽造成了全台灣幾千億的損失 |
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然後國際形象還有我們的豬肉我們努力了20年了可以出口了一個政府的一個疏失造成了巨大的損失有多少豬農會倒 |
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對不對署長所以我們現在目前也在全面性 全國性的防疫都在做加強避免他擴散出去你就回答我的問題嘛對不對是不是有疏失我剛剛有說過這個案例發生絕對是有疏失值得檢討的地方我們這一個啊 |
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仿如非洲豬瘟這一個跨部會的部門已經成立7年多了是對不對那今天有書師誰的書師比較多目前的安妮廠是在台中 |
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全台灣都知道在台中啦是我說誰的疏失比較多啦以你們現在這一個禮拜來講的話誰的疏失比較多目前我們檢測起來是從台中市的從通報開始然後好啦我就問你啦是地方政府的疏失多還是中央啦你就回答我這樣就好了啦目前我們真的還在疫調中 |
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什麼叫意料中 你要講有疏失到底誰的疏失現在目前比較多嗎大家都要檢討啦其實因為剛才講到那你如果這樣講你要不要檢討你自己啊我也會檢討不是啦我立法委員我在問你你就回答我的問題就好了啊那台中市目前來講的話他們的所有的資料其實是很欠缺的很不足的那有很多帶釐清事項也沒有釐清清楚 |
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對嘛 所以他的疏失比較多吧目前資料顯示是如此對嘛 你就這樣回答就好了嘛就不是在究責我們是要找出問題把它解決嘛為什麼要這樣問好 那你們現在全國的疫調有沒有第二家養豬場有這個問題目前全國的部分 |
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都沒有第二例所以這也是我們沒有第二例但潛伏期有多久15天15天過了嗎15天還沒有所以邁入第二階段那我看到的新聞說台中烏漆這個養豬場裡面還有檢測到病毒的殘留有沒有這件事 |
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就是這個案場我們加強傾銷以後我們也特別在針對這個案場看有沒有落實再做檢測所以抽了14個樣品以後發現兩個兩個是陽性就是還有嘛對不對就是還有嘛是環境好 |
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我跟你講鞋子踩到會不會會所以目前全國還沒有是蠻慶幸的潛伏期還沒過我剛剛講的是幾千億的產值2000億應該不止吧你的2000億應該是那個養豬場的2000億周邊應該不止2000億吧是不是不止 |
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對所以我說的就不是所以我的意思就是說你現在如果台中市政府已經不可靠了中央要不要強力的去做有我跟你講這個不能讓病毒擴散出去這是一個非常重要的一件事情不只為了養豬場也為了全台灣也為了國際形象 |
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也為了我們所有公務人員你今天在這裡你今天做的不是該做的事情 |
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除了該做的事情之外你做的是救台灣幾千億的產值這應該是很努力去做的一件事情中央地方都要一起來但如果地方他的人力不夠或什麼的中央就要扛起來了是不是是是嘛沒錯你這樣回答我們就來看了看能不能真正的把它防堵起來那我先我再問一下海關我們最近這半年 |
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我們裁罰了多少包委員我們今年啦你就回答我最近這半年裁罰了多少違規啦我有這個數字是截至到850件今年啦最近半年啦最近半年的數字我要統計大概是600件左右吧你剛剛說800件800件是從1月1號到現在今年才800件啊去年咧去年1100多件 |
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啊在前年呢一千大概兩三百件左右怎麼逐年遞減是啊因為原廠的關係是因為原廠不是因為不是因為沒有原廠所以越來越少吧當然不是這樣子就很奇怪了該堵的都堵這個病毒從哪裡來的 |
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這個不是你的專業啦這不是你的專業啦但總有一個漏洞在那邊啦對不對但這個漏洞呢大家現在都知道了啦該哪裡該補我相信啦現在大家都緊繃起來了我跟你講七年多了沒有事情了擔心的就是大家越來越放鬆了越來越放鬆才會這樣啦不然 |
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這一件事情如果大家是很認真會拖一個多禮拜然後才讓全國知道嗎才說確認嗎那個杜署長如果是大家都戰戰兢兢的像七年前一開始這個情況會發生嗎 |
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所以說地方的防疫單位你就回答我會不會發生啊其實大家都很認真在做你不要再跟我講這些嘛如果大家都像七年前一開始這樣很緊張這件事情會晚拖 |
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晚一個多禮拜才通報嗎其實機率會變小什麼叫機率會變小我跟你講在這裡不要講官話啦我們是解決問題啦又沒人要究責又沒人要什麼對不對我再問一次如果是大家都以七年前剛開始的態度去做事這件事情會發生嗎對如果這樣子的話 |
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這麼高的警覺性其實機率就很小可能就不會發生對嘛所以我覺得就是一個態度的問題啦一個態度的問題啦今天就是因為態度造成這樣所以我現在要跟署長你說的態度要拿出來啦 |
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我們現在是要把它防堵擴散到其他的豬場這個態度要拿出來但你們的態度國內是你們要負全責但我請這些其他署長上來也是要讓你們知道你們也要幫忙防堵不然國內清理好了後續還這樣會有第二次發生這次如果大家再緊張七年後大家又不緊張了有可能又第二次 |
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這個是我今天要質詢你的重點所以署長多浪費你一點時間我真的覺得用最高規格的你不要再去管台中市政府怎麼樣了台中市政府都已經這樣就沒有辦法信任了沒有辦法信任的情況之下我覺得該強力的處理就處理好不好好謝謝 |
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好謝謝張宏祿委員下一位我們請王美惠召委諮詢主席我們這裡農業部醫政署署長來杜署長有請說實在今天要說這個說不太下去 |
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署長 你知道今天的日記當時嗎?什麼節嗎?你知道嗎?重陽節今天九月我真的懷疑你今天的當時就不知道了你們可能都記新的啦 還沒有記古歷的啦但是今天的節是非常重要 |
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因為今天是重陽節,是我們一家最大的事大人最愛念的安保,讓他平安順遂 |
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署長,我今天怎麼會這樣說呢?如果有拜拜,現在市長、縣長都很忙,都會一年三次今天重陽節,最重要的日子是紀念祖先的拜拜,你知道嗎? |
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我為什麼要跟你說這個因為我來自嘉義市你敢知道嘉義市的市長尤其是董事也好 南盟產也好還有其他都沒有在馬當賣市長 是你來看嘉義市的董事在馬當你有看過嗎 |
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或是我現在給你看 你再看或是以後你再看見這個問題會怎樣重視 |
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我們在18、22號的時候 全國管制的時候就是靜宅禁運 那開始的時候 第一階段就這樣做我比較不知道靜宅禁運 我是說署長你那個感受啦 今天我們有嚴格 特工去 了解說這地方 它的分 有過沒 均到90%沒有 |
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雖然他在那裡也想要展示他也不希望他的地來世地方政府有辦法去體諒這個老人沒辦法上船但是在這個過程整個國會前還有辦法上船是怎麼發生的事沒辦法上船地方政府覺得一個去關心一個 |
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市長是我們這個已經對這個什麼台中的資料出來開始針對這個廚餘的報告沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落實沒有落 |
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他的斟酌的時間也不夠所以這可能也是一個問題所以這就是那個什麼環保署這邊你追查說為什麼他怎麼會說這個部分地方政府他沒有按時懲罰署長你可不知道這個運用多大像你剛才說的 |
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營養兩千多名 你覺得各行各業都要營養到賣保安的 賣農場的 賣安全的 主要有地貨的地方台灣人都愛吃溫泰的 溫泰的煮得更香結果你看現在 現在在澳 |
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你有看到來你有看到一個做生意的人他說要配合我們政府 |
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所以 署長 他最危險 先說感謝一路支持我的人你如果再倒來想是不是我們要感謝這些做生意的人 支持我們中央的政策你看到現在 信心的信心 沒買沒買署長 這不是兩千億而已 |
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這是非常嚴重的 你看他自己在當時 你看他用一個暫停箭 署長 我們要同理心 |
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但不對 但做得不好的地方政府 人不夠積極我們中央是不是要協助他們是 報告委員這個部份已經在研究這個法律的公佈 說我們要進行公平民對參選的報酬沒有沒有不是 這個法律會提出方案經濟部就會提出方案對我們 |
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攤商的補助補貼獎勵措施經濟部已經在跨部會會議的時候已經有這樣的共識跟研擬了所以這禮拜經濟部會提出來 市長我告訴你寶祖的寶祖像嘉義市我剛才有說的你如果看到那裡的土地那裡的董事你如果看你如果看你如果看 |
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來拗一張你看都沒有在做 |
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包括要報賣包括在那裡做零工的都沒辦法直接投入所有應用的宣洩的部分在這禮拜公佈的時候對應一定有獎勵的措施啦所以跟委員報告有獎勵的措施市長本身跟你說的你們要回去研究不是賣地馬的應用很大喔再來所有的做生意的人 |
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都做沒辦法做生意這也影響很大這後續你要去研議好對不對所以說市長在這裡本身要跟你說我們你剛才說的到目前為止是跟台中市長 |
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有問題 是 結果有問題的時候我每天來你們討資料 每天關心 關心到現在你們說的地方 也有兩個的所在 厭懷有養性的 說實在 署長 也是他這間我都不知道他這間啦 自己都沒注意的聽結果不是他這間的問題 |
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你們的噴 政府的噴在那裡我們萬一有在那裡 太沙地或什麼地自己吃下去淘汰你這是親親喪禮所以這不行 這絕對不行 要禁止絕對不行 現在都噴在這裡環境部已經加強這個部分是 市長今天我是怎麼說得這麼氣憤 |
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因為我相信台灣人 |
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吃豬肉、吃牛肉、吃雞、吃蚵仔所以在這個過程當中未來雞、蚵仔、牛肉長大的時候你們要怎麼去處理販售的環境、的經濟你們都要去保持好,我們都已經在處理了不用緊張,自己怎麼做就怎麼做是,是,是以上好,謝謝 |
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謝謝美惠美惠 趙薇確實這個來自基層的聲音真的被聲音嚴重這部份相關的部份今天改觀了那接下來我們請麥玉珍委員發言謝謝主席有請農業部還有關務署 |
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請以上單位想要請教一下目前這起就是非洲豬瘟的病毒源頭查到了嗎 |
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原統目前還在調查中因為在台中市政府他們所提的這個疫調的一個報告裡面還是都沒有交代清楚所以下個階段從今天起我們這個我們要問的是你們中央的事情專家會議結束 |
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依照農業部的指定的防疫SOP中央與地方應該依序啟動哪些通報還有採樣隔離與回報的程序才要請教我們的台中這個案例的通報流程是否有哪一些環境沒有依據SOP的執行 |
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我們檢視了他們目前的作為上來講那台中市政府在於我們警示系統異常然後通報的時候他們就第一時間的時候的回報的系統其實不是很完整而且沒有提高警覺那他們沒有照SOP的執行是這樣子的意思嗎應該是說他們的這個 |
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對 應該是誤目前如果推估起來應該是誤判啦因為確實它是呈現的是陽性但是過去它可能我們大家是當作是一般的傳染病一般的疾病在做處理是好 雖然你們是監督的單位我們要來監督你們你們要監督的單位你們的工作既然防疫SOP的運作 |
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有部分正常有部分就覺得不正常是你們就是我們要今天要來問你們的你們要監督的工作啦所以你剛才說的嘛防疫做一直都有持續 |
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但是有一些你們覺得說沒有監督不好是不是台中的問題是你們的監督是台中的問題所以你的意思是說你們的SOP的執行的監督都很好了是不是他應該是要依照我們的一般的SOP的流程在走所以你就是說有持續嘛所以我們要確認一下說你這些的前期防護措施是近三年來有沒有出現 |
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地檢的情形我們想要知道的不要只說台中怎麼樣台中怎麼樣我們要問的是我們的中央的監督 |
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我們都有我們的流程就是不管在肉品上在豬場上他的一般的防疫的以及我們的監控的你說的你們這是說這三年來沒有出現一些就是遞減的情形講得很好如果有的話比如說我們的宣傳的次數 |
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還有邊間查檢的件數 抽查的頻率這些的指標是增加還是持平 還是說逐年減少能否提供具體的數據給我呢 |
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不能用講的 不能說電視的講 報紙的講 白人的講這樣來講 不能這樣 要有具體的是 我們會把我們的次數包括經費的部分也會來反映不過確實是經費上是有有有刪減那事實上但是我們也沒有疏忽啦就是依照我們現有的我們現在要的就施刷次數 |
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還有監數 還有就是頻率這一些要有數據 具體的數據不要再頭腦裡面都很積極這個是你們該做的工作 不要再講這些了 |
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這個是有具體的嘛所以你說事後就會提供是嗎所以現在你沒有具體的這個工作我們要執行我們要執行我們要做功課你來背執行你都不做功課你都要提供資料而已嗎我們要的是你要了解所以最近網路 |
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網路上也有很多側翼幫你們宣傳因為立法院善預算所以防疫的宣傳不足才導致破口請問一下你們有觀察到哪個部分防疫的宣傳確實不足嗎還是說印了太少我們的宣傳彈還有海報廣告 |
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因為預算有停止嗎還有我們邊境的積查抽查旅客的行李包裹這個頻率有沒有因為預算刪除降低了呢報告委員我們該做的都是有去做而且這個的整個防疫的工作其實是沒有降低的 |
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好都沒有降低嗎沒有降低的不管我們是中央跟地方所以你們做得很好嗎不是做得很好就是大家都知道因為畢竟這已經守護了7年所以有他的一定的基本的流程但要注意的是像包括他的監測這些都照我們原來的年度目標在走所以這些就是你們的這些側翼就是你們每天都在講預算刪除我們的預算 |
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六億多三兩千還有五億多所以我們就是做不了了所以來再來呢我們在網路特別查到就是防疫署的官網裡面的宣傳影片上架已經五年了到現在只有三到四百個觀看率五年平均約五 |
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四五天只有一個人觀看這樣子叫做做得很好很有效率是嗎所以甚至我們在越南版的非洲非洲主義的宣傳的動畫還變成私人的影片沒辦法看這樣子的請教一下這樣的預算做宣傳很有效率嗎 |
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5億多 上了2000萬你們做這個很有效率所以你們要持續在做報告委員您檢視的是108年可是以今年來講我們的宣傳影片在今年的暑假放了一支放了一支現在網路上看到的就是這個數據不是我們是7年前的是現在的現在網路搜尋的我沒有在7年前當立委這個是現在這是108年的 |
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2008年的你們要做這個影片到現在就是這個數據我們有新的新的版本新的版本我們沒有看到看到網路就是這個好那我們可以提供新的版本給委員表示你們在宣傳不夠網路才沒有看到嘛我們看到的是這個看到就是 |
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就是這樣子的一個問題所以我們非洲族人一直在我們也肯定我們的農業部還有關屋署這幾年守住防線的努力但我們注意到的是說我們行政部門每次出事就先喊說要團結 |
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接著又要說車一一起就是怪我們的立法院怪這野黨所以我們這樣的操作防疫真的有幫助嗎真的沒有幫助我們要的是效果我們要 |
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提出的問題要解決問題不是說你們都是要去怪罷人罷人的事情不是你們的事情沒有啦委員我們坐地沒有所以我們第一時間的時候大家一起看要怎麼來解決這個問題而且都緊急措施都出來所以我們大家的影響都沒有用到一點點所以剛才我才說你不要再去講說什麼善意善事實上沒有沒有這絕對也不是我們部門 |
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也不能怪說立法院在野黨我們是為了要執行我們的監督權但是委員預算充足當然我們會比較好做因為我們時間的關係我們是監督你們你們要監督地方所以我們要要求你們的預算 |
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很多的你們的預算拿過來我們要監督要來去說我們要動預算希望你們要把事情做好但是從5月份我們已經解凍了到現在所以你們有沒有加強這個宣傳嗎這個才是我們想要的不要再去講預算也沒有問題是預算的問題所以你們這講的做得很好 |
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所以呢我們這邊最後因為時間的關係我們要強調的防疫是行政部門的責任也是我們的人民的事情不分藍綠所以我們不分中央或地方我們要在野黨的 |
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凍結我們的預算是要行政單位要檢討制度因為我們從基層來的我們看到你們的預算一張一千萬兩張兩千萬基層的一本厚號才五萬三萬所以我們真的看了就是很難過啦確實要有效益啦所以不只就是防疫真正的檢討是說我們的執行的機制還有 |
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制度的落動不是拿政治口水轉移焦點希望行政團隊要停止帶風向實際盤點這次的破口讓我們的人民安心也讓我們台灣重新站回非一的防線上這個才是你的工作目標才能達到執行的效率 |
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我們都是這樣做 報告委員 我們也都是這樣做好 這樣做要有數據啊我問的這些數據 這個實體怎麼應做要實際的給我 不可以這樣用說的說也都是講空話 又沒有實體的數據 也沒有實體的做法我們要的是執行力 謝謝謝謝麥玉珍委員 那這邊也請相關部會把資料趕快提供給委員這邊 |
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現在我們請徐玉 曾文發言謝謝主席我們請警政署張署長 移民署林署長 房檢署杜署長 公務署彭署長請以上列席 |
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好各位署長好我想其實這一次非洲豬瘟的問題其實都可以看到其實最大的問題可能就是在邊境執法的這個漏洞那當然我想在幾年前其實我們就已經宣布禁止從國外的網購出肉或肉品寄送入境對不對這個是屬於哪一位這邊負責的 |
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報告委員這個豬肉跟含豬肉的製品都是禁止輸入的是幾年前宣布的這個政策是農業部那邊訂定海關是執行的好那為什麼最近有民進黨的立委說是時候禁止淘寶等中國電商寄送肉製品到台灣有這個可能性嗎這已經執行非常多年了所以說其實早就禁止了嗎根本沒有這個問題 |
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事實上本席也有去到淘寶的網站點進去要買中國的豬肉事實上他是完全沒辦法買的他就告訴你中國是禁止這個輸入肉製品的所以我不是想說這個民進黨的立委他是有特殊的管道知道政府並沒有要嚴加的這個查緝網購的食品還是說本來就有很多的違規的部分在初檢的階段就已經被錯放了 |
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請問一下署長有這個可能嗎報告委員因為從我們的查獲的統計數字來看大概去年有1100多件那今年直到現在有850件這是海關查獲的一個部分在邊境把手上查獲 |
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所以大部分都是來自旅客啦旅客大概有占六成那郵包的部分大概會占三成左右所以其實關務署是很嚴格的在執行這樣子的一個事實上我們常出國搭機的時候都感受到其實關務署這邊是很非常的嚴格在執行那所以說 |
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我想這個民進黨的立委不該造謠的就不要亂造謠不要老是用這樣子一個方式去讓大家覺得讓民眾恐慌或者是說這個什麼拼多多淘寶都是這個豬瘟的最大破口其實現在大家擔心的就是說因為從境外移入的時候就他們旅客剛剛講六成是旅客帶進來的那在這個查紀的過程中請問一下這個我們經由這個X光機的這個查驗有辦法真的百分之百的查驗到嗎 |
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報告委員我們看X光機的話是利用它的顏色密度以及形狀那這六七年來我們都有建立資料庫那我們對同仁X光的這個判讀都有做訓練也有分級我們有分初級中級高級 |
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那受過這些認證的都有400所以原則上在你們在做這樣的查驗其實是可以達到最高的效果然後我們也有經驗好那請問一下杜署長就是還有彭署長就是說我們邊境防疫的第一線人員像防檢犬導犬員跟X光查驗員的人力跟防疫犬有沒有缺口 |
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其實如果說能夠再調高的話增加的話其實是有幫助的是有幫助的但以目前來講的話我們每年的查驗從海關這邊送過來的調查成案的部分那大概從12年到14年採取的這個案件所以這個部分目前聽起來是有缺口的嘛那要怎麼補強呢 |
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我們在這個保全的部分那這個的部分其實也是落實在做啦那現在就是關務署的部分我們也希望說能夠在旅客的這個查驗的那個部分那可以再提高他的這個檢驗的一個次數所以關務署署長剛剛那個防檢所說要提高查驗次數你覺得是這個是主因嗎 |
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我們現在因為要加強查核的一個力度那我們有要求我們這個同仁人工查驗的部分要提高一定的比例目前都雖然都經過百分之百的X光但是就人工查驗的部分我們要求我們已經都達到人力的一個極限了 |
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極限就表示人力不足嘛所以這個部分你們有跟這個行政院提出比如說行政部啊每年我們都會檢討我們的人力跟財政部是不是需要跟行政院這邊來要求我們也都會跟人總來面都有要求那就是請行政院要針對這個部分要好好的來去審視我們的基層人力不足的問題喔 |
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那當然我也要請教一下警政署長就是針對肉品偽報跟非法攜帶我們剛剛也看到說有一些是在夜市我們可以看到有一些可能是非法攜帶在販售的那請問針對這個部分我們警政署跟關務署跟海巡署是不是有情資共用的平台那針對這樣子的一個案件不管是 |
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這個跨境電商或快遞案件建立及時追蹤系統那你們這三年有沒有這個查獲違規肉品的件數跟趨勢是不是有下降我們這個警視署的部分就是配合灌入署還有這個主管機關對於這個邊境的查驗那這五年來大概查了1593件這個豬肉大概2000公斤左右這個就是配合 |
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那請問你們有沒有一個情資公用平台可以互相來要不然的話大家都在做一樣的事情那可能會很麻煩我們的工作是跟海關在一起的一起看的比如講像那個那我指的是比如說像夜市喔夜市的這個部分大概就是配合聯合稽查小組一起去配合因為我們要辨別這個部分就是由主管機關來做來做一個有聯合小組來做這件事情 |
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那再請教一下這個杜署長就是說這一次這個在107年面對這個中國大陸的這個非洲豬瘟的疫情的時候當時雲林縣張縣長是全面禁止處於養豬那時任行政院的我們現在賴清德總統 |
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院長他說因為大多數的縣市長都反對所以他沒有禁用廚餘養豬可是如果現在看起來的話如果七年前就可以禁用廚餘養豬的話現在其實就沒有這個問題因為我剛剛聽了其實不管各位署長的講法其實邊境管理事實上大家都盡了最大的努力重點是廚餘養豬因為你只要不用廚餘養豬就不會有這個問題了那當時賴總統說 |
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不用處理養豬是因為大部分的縣市都反對那請問一下現在一般性補助款大部分的縣市也都反對啊希望趕快補給他們啊可是在總統也沒說因為大部分的縣都反對所以趕快一般性補助款要還給地方所以針對這個部分一農業部的專業來說覺得該不該禁用處理養豬 |
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我覺得每個時代有它的時空背景不過以現在來講以現在上來講那這個廚餘的禁止與否其實是地方政府的權責所以現在政府是可以禁止的其實如果中央嚴格要求的話以全國一致性事實上金融廚養豬才是這一次我可以解決 |
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非洲豬瘟最大的一個方向才對目前已經我們在跨部會的協調中那重點是還是地方以現在來講譬如雲林也好花蓮也好還有高雄市都是全面禁止廚藝的縣市所以如果說地方政府的話 |
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依照自治的一個精神是可以禁止全面的這個其實如果中央要求的話你說地方禁止當然地方有事實上我跟你講要禁用廚餘養豬是非常的困難需要花很多的時間但雲林做得到相信全國都做得到所以對所以我覺得這個可以讓其他縣市來分享絕對做得到但要中央一致的一個法令 |
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這樣的地方才不會無所適從那這個部分請這個我們署長要帶回去那那是不是各位請回喔那不好意思主席再給我一分鐘因為剛剛我有讓所有的署長大家有充分的去回答我要請管主委海務委會管主委跟海巡署張署長 |
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主委好主委好主委我想請教一下因為最近在10月23號我們又在馬祖的北竿的沙灘發現有死亡的病豬那當然我們在這邊海漂的豬其實常常都發現那剛剛我也聽主委講說 |
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基本上你們都把它當視為是非洲豬瘟的陽性而去做提早的處理那但是現在這一件喔它是通經由通報海巡署才知道所以說表示是不是我們的這偵查系統跟人力配置都不足所以常常都是由地方通報那我們海巡署才知道而去做處理 |
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跟委員報告基本上官民聯防是整個海防當中的一部分那我們巡邏的時候我們會發現如果民眾看到民眾也都會知道通報目前以通報的跟我們主動發現的比例大概是多少我來統計一下數字我們會後統計給委員好不好我現在要主要要跟主委提醒的就是 |
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因為我們現在看起來我們的人力確實有所不足所以在這個整個的這個偵查的系統會有這樣子的一個漏洞那也因為這樣子一個漏洞有可能造成一個破口所以今天在本席在這邊特別要跟主委提醒的就是說 |
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針對這個人力的不足事實上是應該要跟行政院這邊來去要求我們人力不足應該要補足包括說我們是不是有固定的SOP把這個檢體跟移送的過程應該都有固定的這個部分百分之百 |
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這個部分真的是百分之百的滴水不漏我們從出去的時候穿防護衣一到的時候馬上會控制現場因為環境的傾銷很重要我們會把那個防護線拉起來控制現場以後立刻就請這個防檢局到現場所以一定都通知地方政府那檢體呢 檢體怎麼移送 |
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照防檢的程序會帶回去就做檢體那每一個案呢我們一定是出報續報到截報一定追蹤到檢體到底是陰性還是陽性最後請一下張署長請教一下張署長就是署內目前就執勤的艦艇按計的監控系統跟檢疫的器材是否足夠應付當前的一個勤務就是執勤的艦艇還有按計的監控系統跟檢疫的器材是否 |
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足夠應付當前的勤務各位報告所有艦艇的監控系統跟偵測系統是夠的但是檢疫的部分不是我們海巡組來負責那請看一下這篇報導就是審計部跟基層你們的這個艦艇的缺人員都有提到其實現在海巡艦艇是人力不足的那所以說這個部分到底是什麼樣的原因 |
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下請沒有辦法上達還是你們不了解事實上整體艦艇的人員是運用人數是不夠的跟委員報告我們艦艇的那個人員來是夠的那主要的那就是你們的調度有問題運用有問題有一個空窗期是因為招生跟特考進來進入的時間他大概有三到六個月的空窗期因為他們進來以後要再受訓然後再到艦艇上去服務我想請主委跟署長要正視這個問題因為不管是審計部不管是基層的這個我們的同仁 |
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都有發出這樣的警訊所以針對這樣子的一個人力的不足跟人力的調配請要好好的檢討相關的問題那也希望說會後也給我相關的資料那當然我想最後要跟各位報告就是說其實這一次的疫情啊如果不幸擴大的話可能會癱瘓的是我們2000萬產值的養豬產業所以說非同小可也是希望大家在每一個關節裡面大家都能夠一起共同來防疫讓我們台灣可以繼續更好 |
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在這邊也感謝各位謝謝謝謝徐毅臻委員謝謝列席的官員接下來我們請劉許廷委員謝謝主席我們農業部房檢署杜署長 管務署彭署長還有海委會管組委好 請移上官員列席 |
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大家都辛苦委員好來我先問一下杜署長杜署長你今天好像很可憐喔這個要講一講公道話希望大家共同面對防疫的重大挑戰結果好像不分朝野都要砲轟你一下對不對這個我希望你一本初衷啦其實你第一個回答書校會委員職員回答本來就很好嘛就四評八聞的講大家都有一定的工作跟分工那大家都很努力而這中央地方共同的責任 |
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剛剛很多民進黨的委員都提說這個是甚至都要逼你講出就是台中市政府防疫不力這都很正常 這是口水嘛但是我要問的是非洲豬瘟它會平白無故在台灣境內產生嗎不會不會嘛 對不對它一定是境外移入那以署長的了解境外移入有哪幾種渠道就是它怎麼進來的我們也有在研析過當然從它的管道上來講 |
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當然機場會是一個 港口也是一個那包括到說我們現在的移工 外勞那這些等等還有產品我這樣講 署長你聽一聽第一個叫旅客夾帶嘛就不管是坐船的坐飛機的等等偷偷帶進來的嘛叫旅客夾帶第二個就是所謂的走私嘛這漁船的走私有的沒的夾也是一種夾帶的行為但它量比較大對不對 也有講走私第三種叫郵寄嘛 |
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對不對 大概就是這三種有沒有脫離這三種的範疇大體上應該不脫這樣的範疇如果有你可以補充沒有關係那我剛剛也聽了很多委員在問包含馬市長講旅客夾帶我想我們自己有時候常出國回來這該到位的也都有到位啦我們該查都有查都有過X光機這我想大家都有經驗所以我今天的重點不是談旅客夾帶我請教一下館主委 |
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你剛剛講的都問到你的時候你都講海漂豬你們一定檢驗我想這個很OK嘛大家都希望從嚴處理因為那個死在那個地方你當然要檢驗嘛對不對但問題是海巡的另外一個重要任務也是查其走私嘛那最近這段時間有沒有查其到豬肉走私的狀況有沒有一些數據可以跟大家報告一下呢 |
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農漁產品比較多大概4萬多公斤的農漁產品的走私我們今天就討論豬肉而已豬肉的部分我們沒有4萬多公噸的農漁產品然後沒有查到任何的豬肉公斤不好意思公斤修正一下但沒有查到走私的豬肉我們過去曾經有查到的是譬如說毛肚 |
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整船整船的忙碌我只問主委一個牛肉的製品是比較多尤其是牛雜你們都已經盡了最大的努力我不會否定海軍同仁的辛苦但是主委你可以掛保證說這就是全部的走私了嗎 |
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委員這個問題其實大家都知道答案我們信全力你全力以赴但是再怎麼樣防堵都不可能因為這東西實在是太你不可能所有的人通通一天到晚把我想每一個管道的問題是一樣的每一個管道的問題是一樣的我們現在要聽的就是實話嘛這我們希望海運署就加強把控啦尤其是針對這種可疑豬肉的這個是最上游 |
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基本上管制到豬場的那個部分的管理恐怕也是最關鍵但是我們每個層面我們都盡全力把它做到最好各知其職你就收好你的海上避免走失豬肉這本期要做一下提醒我們再回到杜署長第三個關務署一起好不好這也是本期今天要特別去提醒的其實就是郵寄這段時間我們都委員講說禁止淘寶或什麼東西我們從什麼時候開始就禁止了中國大陸地區的豬肉製品輸入台灣107年 |
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107年嘛對不對這其實很清楚嘛那這個署長跟我們分享一下為什麼違規輸入啊就郵寄入境跟旅客夾帶的罰則分別是什麼 |
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目前我們只要是有豬肉的製品一定是20萬起跳20萬起跳 這叫夾帶入境嘛就機場沒看那宣導影片也拍很多是不是講說只要豬肉被抓到至少罰20萬最高罰100萬嘛對不對 這叫夾帶入境好 郵寄入境的罰則是什麼郵寄入境的部分也是一樣對 只要豬肉產品也都是20萬起跳一定會罰嗎真的 因為這個也牽扯到說 |
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整個追查的部分是有比較困難比較困難的地方在哪裡來 我今天就要問這個今天我們要談制度補破網我今天就這一件事而已 |
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是跟委員報告因為這個郵包的部分他這個寄進來的人跟實際上收貨的人其實在全球都是一樣常常是對不起來的所以我們行政調查的案件到最後會承擔到裁罰的案件其實相對的是比較少的好講得真好這個郵寄郵遞寄送的輸入狀況從有非洲族恩到現在由你頒布重罰的條款到現在你抓到多少案子裁罰了多少人有沒有數據做一下整理 |
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是 郭委員報告齁這個郵包的部分我們攔截到就是一隻豬肉產品然後被我們攔下來的被海關攔下來移送到房間屬的大約有1000案但到最後成功裁罰的只有9個就是9個案件人1000個案子裡面只有9個案子被裁罰很好 這就是我今天重點來脫影片秀出來這個動物傳染病防治條例是法律的層級但是裁罰基準應該是行政命令如果本席沒有了解錯誤 |
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現在狀況是這樣旅客夾帶進來至少罰二十萬但是問題是你郵寄寄送書我們先不要講說你追溯溯源很難罰你竟然還有後門條款這個第四點你可以看投影片上違反本公告者由輸出入動物檢疫機關一動物傳染病防治條例四三條第八款規定採取收件人但收件人非輸入人或首次輸入非故意者不予處罰 |
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誒本身要抓郵包已經很困難然後你還開一個首次非故意不予裁罰那難怪你一千多件掌握你只有九件裁罰報告委員物跟人要分開處理物一千件全部燒毀 |
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人的處罰因為還是要有事證可以追查的到所以這個地方是有他的困難度但物是全部都燒毀那當然你物本來就都要燒毀嘛所以沒有一件事流入但是問題是這樣嘛我們為什麼要罰比如夾帶入侵要罰20萬其實叫嚇阻嘛 |
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也就是說我不要讓這些人起心動念說我想要幹這個事情嘛那同樣今天一樣物物當然抓到就沒收嘛任何夾帶走私抓到反而就要沒收反而銷毀對不對但你如果不重罰你不加大裁罰力道然後讓裁罰的執行性可以增加的話那不是大家還是會想說我試一下嗎反而了不起要嘛他抓不到我他抓到我他也不見得證明我可以故意所以我就記吧那是不是包裹就多了包裹多了你邊境檢驗查核的壓力就大了嘛 |
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我們現在 對 就針對委員所講國際郵包或者是快遞這個部分那也是關務署在檢視整個系統從登記好 來來來 關務署你贊不贊成把這個條款廢掉其實就這個問題嘛我們今天在思考制度上要什麼補破網要加大裁判力道 要把它變嚴格其實就這個問題 你覺得應該把它廢掉報告委員 這不是我們關務署的權責廢掉對你們有沒有幫助嘛 |
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我們都是遵守你們裡面內部因為都不是你們的權責你們也不會討論這個事所以要到立法院討論嘛對不對你們都在的時候我們當場講一講對不對跟委員包括我們在郵包那邊今年都已經查獲到286件了是嘛還是很多對不對那如果廢掉然後變成說我只要一抓到相對來講我比較容易裁罰成功會不會有一點嚇阻效果當然重罰有嚇阻的效果啦但是就是說重罰你還是要有證據證明說他是故意走私這樣的一個行為 |
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不是 我現在講非故意拿掉 我不管你故不故意啊你只要進來我就是罰嘛對不對你現在就說 因為我多一關要證明你是故意還是非故意 我就更難罰嘛我現在把這條款拿掉錢包的部分 剛剛提到的就是說常常這個收件人並不知道寄件人為什麼會寄給他 他可能都不知道所以要罰到 |
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這個收件人是有他的困難因為他可能是無故意或過失署長我就只問你把這個標準往上提讓他變嚴格即便很有可能啊會造成另外一波有一些人會認為自己被錯殺對不對但是我們在防疫的時候現在大家都在討論要不要再把破網補起來嘛這樣子對你降低你邊境的檢驗的那個壓力有沒有幫助嗎任何的重罰對我們都有幫助很好謝謝來這個農業部要不要考慮把它廢除 |
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我想這個有不足的地方或者是應該修法的地方這個我們會著手來處理但我在這裡還是要說明說這一千的違規的物品都銷毀了我知道但我現在想是源頭嘛對人的處罰不管他是夾帶還是他是郵寄都應該想辦法讓他很容易被罰嘛 |
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這樣我們才能盡量賭嘛剛剛管主委講我是很同意啊再怎麼樣嚴格都不見得百分之百但越嚴格效果總是越好好不好所以你願不願意在這邊我們就當場承受至少我們先執行有個進展嘛就是說我把這個還給開一個非故意的這個橋門我現在把它拿掉 |
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好不好農業部要不要答應我們來跟相關單位我們就針對這個修法的途徑上來這個應該不用修了你們內部行政命令把程序走完其實就好了會比立法院修法快得多好不好這個你三天之內要給我們一個答覆可以嗎我們要希望討論制度補破網啦好不好 |
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就是除了這個自己故意寄給自己然後被我們採發另外一種樣態就是說這個郵包他不知道是誰的他接到這個包裹了他發現是簡易物他也必須要交給我們如果沒有交出來的話也有罰則是3到15萬所以兩種樣態都有對應的罰則 |
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沒關係你三天之內把這個法規做檢討但我現在告訴你就有一個狀況而且你的績效就是一千件只能罰九件啦這件事情我們要思考一下怎麼樣提高他的效能啦這是本期今天質詢的重點希望大家好好思考大家一起加油謝謝好我們請黃建斌召回質詢 |
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好 謝謝主席 我們有請內政部馬次長 安東衛部防疫署長還有財政部官務署長來 各位首長有請好 三位早安本期今天安排這樣的專案報告為什麼要特別強調 |
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邊境檢疫跟查氣的這個機制就是因為其實剛才劉許庭委員講的很好病毒它不會自己生出來它一定是從外面進來的嘛它不會憑空出現在台灣它也不可能憑空出現在台中病毒一定是從境外進入到國內所以才導致這一次非洲豬的這個破口就像我們總統派院長去年公開的表示各單位一定要落實邊境管制嚴格把關 |
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拒絕非洲豬瘟疫情於境外 |
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農業部的我們的陳部長也自己也說說如果這次的病毒確定是非洲豬瘟的話必定是由境外傳入必定是由境外傳入這代表中央觀點非常清楚非洲豬瘟入侵的源頭不是在台中嘛他也不是在哪個特定的縣市這是外面傳去的我想這個大家都很清楚我想今天除了要探討這個屬於養豬啦 豬場管理啦 豬隻檢驗啦 |
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最重要就是追本溯源就是從源頭的邊境檢疫還有查氣的制度來做好這個管控不要讓非洲豬瘟再進到我們國內我想這才是真正的要防堵豬瘟的這個關鍵因為你但邊境出現破口病毒如果傳進來國內之後你再多的疫調都是亡羊補狼那我想為了 |
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這個防堵非洲豬瘟的疫情我相信本 而且相信地方政府絕對會全力配合中央也絕對願意提自主提高這個檢驗標準不過我們從這一次的這個豬瘟的這個入侵的事件來看中央邊際的檢驗標準還有查緝制度已經產生了破口那本席放在今天各部會的報告裡面都是滿滿都是強調績效如果說真的像我們政府說的這麼好那其他病毒可以照去唄我想這個我們大家好好思考一下那也要呼籲各部會 |
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問題都發生的我們不該報喜不報憂我們正是這個缺失怎麼樣來落實來檢討改善他才會避免再次發生這樣問題我想這個今天排這個議程最重要的目的像這邊本席像也提出三個建議來請部委來演繹第一個就是強化入境的檢疫第二個就杜絕肉品透過包裹入境第三個就是提高罰則我想這三個東西很多委員都有提到這部分也請 |
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我們將不會來研討這樣的問題來討論那也在兩個禮拜內提供本席一個報告來具體說明那我想這邊我最後我想最後我要利用點時間來請教安徽主委 |
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是 專委好好 主委好所以本席今天還有另外安排就是海岸巡訪的這個審查我想我們防疫的部分先告一個段落我們現在討論這個部分就是我們希望提升第一線海巡人員執行的這個配備保護第一線人員的安全不過本席要趁這個機會來跟我們海巡人員來傳達一些心聲就是有基層的員警來跟我們反映說海巡署艦隊分署的這個警詞跟文詞有同工不同酬的這個問題 |
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那目前我們的艦隊分屬的這個勤務人員分為警職就是水上警察部分還有文職就是海岸巡護的這個兩類那真是在海上執勤的時候承擔的風險跟執勤的這個勤務的內容他所需要的技能雖然都相容但是他的權益有非常大的落差像是這個危檢職務家級還有危勞人員的這個認定上面都可能造成你每個月的津貼以及我們這個退休替代率有很大的落差 |
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那據本集了解海巡非常的特殊他是有軍警跟文三個不同的屬性在一起的這個單位也是因為這樣你如何確保同樣是第一線的人員之間的權益的平衡 |
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那這個是 我想還是 這個是也避免影響世襲的關鍵那在這裡也要請主委得以了解說我們做一個全面性的來檢討 來盤點就是針對我們相關人員執勤的這個內容還有待遇上是不是有不合理甚至明顯有同工不同酬的地方如果是比較有的部分請主管機關研議提升第一線人員的這個相關的待遇跟福利以確保他的公平性也能夠增加我們 |
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海巡署裡面的這個士氣那也請主委在一樣在會後兩週內給我一份報告來說好的非常感謝昭偉的關心昭偉真的非常深入的了解軍警文在一體的海巡署面對的這個同工不同酬的問題但是也跟昭偉報告我的報告會很快的在兩個禮拜內給昭偉但是呢每一種身份的人包括他們退休的制度也不一樣 |
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各種家籍的狀況也都不一樣那我們是讓總體而言可以彌平這個同工不同酬的狀態但是譬如說文職的同仁他有加班費但是君子的同仁他就不以加班費來支給他就以其他的家籍來支給所以這個部分我們都容易在爭取 |
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包括退休也是不一樣的隧道像現在警察的退休如果有三度通過的法令錄取的時候那個落差會變得很大所以請主委再那個落差會非常的大所以這個本席再次提到就是說請主委我們都一直在努力的在彌平 |
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那最近的修法會讓那個落差非常嚴重的去加大我們都希望能夠照顧我們很希望能夠溝通然後能夠很專業的處理這個橫貧的問題最後一點時間我們這一次修法最主要就是希望能夠照顧為這個國家犧牲的這些弟兄這些不管是公務人員也好警消海巡也好或者是軍人也好他們為國家付出我們應該來照顧他 |
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那至於制度的問題我想要希望有也拜託會裡面來研究畢竟會裡面的屬性比較特殊我們怎麼樣讓單位裡面各個不同來自不同環境的這些同仁能夠在同工單位裡面有會感受到有差異性的差別所以這個請主委在文職的落差會非常的巨大這個請主委會後再給本席資料那以上謝謝 謝謝主席 |
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謝謝黃建斌召委 下一位我們請徐欣穎委員質詢謝謝主席 本席有請內政部次長馬次長 |
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委員好次長好我想前面的委員大家也都非常的重視我們的邊境管控怎麼樣嚴防吸入本席看到內政部的報告裡面只強調篩檢39個重點航班本席不禁想要詢問難道朱溫的病毒它只會搭乘重點航班嗎 |
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跟委員報告我們是39個疫區國家的航班不是只有39個航班所以航班制度蠻多的39個疫區國家那我請問中轉旅客的行李中轉旅客行李還有小型漁船的走私當然剛剛前面的委員也有問到包含離島口岸還有快遞貨物這些查緝強度如何補足報委我們現在 |
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基本上39個疫區國家很中轉的部分我們都會查驗所以只要是有經過疫區國家來的航班的旅客我們會查驗那疫區國家目前是農業部根據WAH的這個標準來公告它是不只39個所以 對 所以 |
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就如果不是疫區國家我們都這個就不可能這個豬瘟的病毒就不會進來嗎是這樣疫區國家跟非疫區國家差異在於說我們如果是非疫區國家的旅客入境的話我們還是會在邊境有海關的人員做抽檢所以他的這個抽檢的這個動線是不一樣你一定會抽檢到有的 |
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有猪瘟病毒的你一定会抽检到吗这就是问题好没关系接着那小型渔船走私这个部分怎么办那是海巡那麻烦海巡 |
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跟委員報告我們現在從107年開始那個鄰近國家發生非洲豬瘟的案例以後我們從107年開始對於進港的所有傳播都百分之百安檢到現在強度都沒有減低是 |
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所有的小型渔船也都一片安静接着次长继续我们现在整个在防疫上我们还在用传统的X光机 |
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搭配人工判毒肉眼戰術這個國際好像都已經進入AI智能防疫了我們還是用人力人工這個部分我們人的疲勞還有科技的落差這個部分要加強改善好我們目前有跟委員報目前有AI的判試模組有AI的什麼大聲一點判試模組我們已經在進行了已經進行到怎麼樣 |
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請問我們現在有升級嗎X光機就是我們配合這個灌入所就海關那個儀器對於判讀的那個顏色形狀都可以來做這樣的一個判讀也是先進的這個X光儀器是儀器判讀不是人工判讀我們人是看儀器的判讀檢查過X光那顯示在螢幕上根據它的顏色 |
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跟他的圖樣 最終還是人工做最後的判定那一樣啊你所有的AI也是要靠AI沒有辦法AI影像也是會顯現出來應該是也會把這個影像顯現出來是要靠我們人去做這樣的說這個是不是屬於豬肉品 |
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那把它分離出來我想這個部分AI的話它跳出來的我們就應該我們就應該直接就可以那個啦所以我們看到那個圖檔是屬於現在全面了嗎現在X光機都我們配合關於屬大概都全面在因為我們大概都全面到底全面的還是光線的全面全面連19的X光機我剛剛跟文報告一下X光機是線型的啊你現在有用AI影像判讀嗎 |
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這個部分是有做結合的啦我跟委員報剛剛那個疫區那個部分就是三十五條疫區那個是全那個是那個是防檢署是所有的旅客的所攜帶的這些我們全檢啦那其他的國家也是的通行李來我們還跟海關也一直在在入境的部分也是透過醫生來檢查那所提的部分在這有海關來做抽檢 |
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所以我們整個的防線絕對不能有縫隙我們也不能有科技落伍的這種系統潰敗絕對不行這部分我們應該是在更精進更精進看世界各國的狀況來執行本席要請農業部謝謝請回座本席想請農業部那個昭偉不好意思我們今天不是要請部長結果也沒有次長來 |
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因為今天在這個威環他們也有特別請過假農業部現在兩個還三個次長三位次長都沒有一個人可以來這一個還在那個前進中心那邊那我們請的是署長杜署長我們現在因為非洲豬瘟所以我們這個禁止全面禁止用廚餘來養豬 |
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署長我比較想問部長整個農業部有沒有了解廚餘啊你現在完全禁止的情況下 |
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署長您今天來就代表部長他是跨部會的議題那也都在處理我知道你就是指環境部但是這個指令當你要下說全面禁止廚餘的時候那有沒有考慮到豬農他的成本你現在廚餘這麼多他都沒有了一個縣市都是幾百噸上千噸的 |
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我在這裡要請署長要帶回去因為廚餘你們整個農業部有沒有了解廚餘廚餘除了分生廚餘跟熟廚餘之外其實還有一個更重要的重點它是固態跟液態所以有人建議說要高溫蒸煮本席的了解是高溫蒸煮 |
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固態的廚餘它內部不會它溫度不會那麼高你說要煮久一點一般他們也不可能因為那浪費它的能源成本所以固態跟液態分離除以固態液態分離 |
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液態可以很容易他就會煮沸那這個煮沸之後其實是還是可以等於他等於病毒殺死他還是可以當這個養豬的您的看法怎麼樣報告委員只要是廚藝當原料來餵養豬隻我們關注的重點就是病毒要不活化的溫度那他就是90度一個小時這個是一定要觀測的對 |
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所以您的意思是就算固液態分離他也沒辦法把病毒殺死嗎液態我要講是除以收來以後它是一個液態的嘛對不對除以收來有固液態都有 |
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都有啦其實理論上來講因為有時候水分就比較高那水分比較高你要當作餵養豬隻的時候你一定要蒸煮然後攪拌一個小時一個小時但從現在目前到了90度還要一個小時還是從開始煮開始90度以上一個小時這樣子你們就准許他 |
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拿廚餘去餵豬是不是我再報告一下現在廚餘這個管控是由環境部交由各地方政府去做處理那在過去的協調機制裡面地方政府要要求我們的環保單位要要求廚餘飼養豬隻的部分一定要做到所以他第一個他一定有檢核廠 |
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那第二個他去看他的當日上傳的資料影片有沒有落實那第三個假設有異樣那個集合大隊是一定要到這個現場去集合看他有沒有照這個標準程序去走 |
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那目前掌握的是有幾個漏洞本席想建議的就是其實除於他應該是可以固液態分離固態的去堆肥固態的去堆肥他也不會去餵豬液態的您剛說對了一點液態的他佔了70%到80%他液態的他容易煮廢他容易煮廢那液態的煮廢之後他就煮廢以後要持續一個小時 |
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才能夠把病毒殺所以這個才是關鍵才能夠讓他不活化所以重點就在假設他煮完像我們一般煮東西開了我就把它關掉對不起病毒了對 人在那邊還是活化狀態所以為什麼要持續那個小時要貫徹 |
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就是非常重要所以现在你们的这个厨余还是可以养猪只要照符合这个程序不行这段时间都不行对所以重点是不行的原因是是什么原因 |
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我們現在已經禁載禁運那因為現在廚藝的風險高因為風險高所以完全禁止就對了在這段時間435戶的廚藝廠全部禁止那你們對於這些豬農他們長期本來都有配合的對不對他們現在突然間他哪裡那麼多飼料餵豬你們有補助嗎我跟委員報告有關 |
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廚餘養豬這個的政策已經在檢討慢慢的第一個階段一定要落實去檢核不是你現在下令了你現在下令你現在這樣的下令你知道豬農他們的衝擊嗎不是 |
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我們都知道每一個層級都會受到因為為了防疫但是有關除獄養豬退場的議題也正在研擬配合環境部跟我們部裡面在研擬什麼的方式退場而能夠減少到除獄養豬的衝擊包括可能轉換飼料那轉換飼料之間有什麼獎勵的措施或退場 |
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或退場等等我現在講的是他們現在每天每天豬都要吃啊他們受到的衝擊你們有沒有任何措施這才是真正影響豬農最大的是那再跟報告委員就是這段15天的時候針對廚餘養豬戶也有給他們在飼料平台的媒合也給予一些相關的協助不會影響到他們目前你們準備多少來補助 |
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有有都你補助他們幾趴講不出來沒有沒有明確的我們會根據這樣的飼料差額去給他們補助就像之前在飼料差額意思說他因為這個衝擊多出來要買飼料的你們全額補助嗎我們就是會依照相關的這樣的一個我們有在其實在110年的時候9月我們就已經有處理過這樣的一樣 |
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的一個做法當時也是有跟這個農民有互相那這一次我們就會用一樣的這樣的一個計算的方式來補助他們在這一段時間因為要轉去買飼料然後做一些這樣的一個你們要深入去了解讓他們衝擊最小 好不好 以上謝謝謝謝謝謝徐議心委員接下來我們請吳啟明委員 |
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好 召委我們與會同仁 請我們黃建吉局長署長請你上官員內席還有官務署官務署署長好 署長 |
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這一次非洲豬瘟造成台灣的恐慌過去我們在去年6月還世界動物衛生組織還認證台灣是非疫情國家所以這個已經在我們世界上大家都公認台灣的防疫做得非常好但是這一次也破洞讓我們台灣大家都造成恐慌 |
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因為你身為民動職務的防疫署長這是你的業務 針對我們的業務 我看到裡面查緝一些非法帶入的肉品還查獲了三千多件那這是我們的防疫有出問題了未來要怎麼解決這個問題 這是重點因為做成這樣 你說現在大家 |
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一些養豬戶啊他們的心聲這真的是情何以堪請署長來回答謝謝委員我分出兩個部分如果是說針對我們現在處理電商平台外來進入的部分那我們有兩個措施第一就是他的自主管理 |
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所以說只要是肉品的部分那他就禁止禁止他要自我管理不能夠輸入不能接單第二個就是屏蔽屏蔽只要有訂單有一些相關的類似的這個的字眼他就有屏蔽措施也是不能訂購進來我們的這個裡面 |
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那如果進到國內的時候那我們有聯合的一個在我們的郵包的跟快遞那邊有個聯合的一個作業那各單位全部都共同在那邊也會掃過我們的S光然後我們的這個檢疫學也會輔佐就用這樣的全面性來做那至於說在這個海關的部分所以我就請海關來做補充說明好的好我們關務署是 |
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在海關的部分我們分我們是負責通商口岸那通商口岸的話就包括旅客郵包快遞跟一般的貨櫃那郵包的部分的話是郵局會幫海關做分流的一個高風險來的他會先做分流分流然後海關就高風險的貨物加強來檢驗跟查核 |
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那快遞的部分我們是依照風險管理的一個概念篩選出高風險地區來的以及高風險的業者執行這個查核那在貨櫃的部分我們因為貨櫃量一年有700多萬份所以我們是用抽驗的方式旅客的部分我們是X光的部分拖運行李比如說桃園機場那邊拖運行李都是在地下室100%經過X光那 |
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所提行李的部分我們分三道防線第一道防線是由防檢署那邊去負責那如果那邊沒有丟棄的話他從海關的紅綠線通關綠線通關的話我們會把他攔查攔查的話查到我們就會移送給防檢署來處罰以上先做這樣的說明對因為我看了查集的資料光是肉品就3400多件那 |
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這個數量是真的非常的多啦然後我們電視媒體還有透過一些宣導大家應該國人都很清楚啊那為什麼還會有這個漏洞這是我們的宣導還是不夠吧報告委員當然這部分主管機關跟我們都會一再的加強宣導啦那有些民眾可能還是有一些疏忽或者是有故意想要這個可能 |
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違規攜帶這些物品進來都有各種狀態都有我們查獲的旅客跟郵包會比較多那通常都是旅客也許是不小心攜帶進來也許是故意要攜帶進來對因為我們現在事情發生是要解決事情是所以說我們的關路署這樣可能是人力也吃緊了因為畢竟我們旅客數量也太多但是現在很多都來自中國 |
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社群網站平台購物所以說這種真的裡面查緝也是有點困難但是這種沒辦法因為事實上我們的資料裡面也是很多還有含肉品的也是在社群網購裡面來購買這一點一定要特別的注意好謝謝委員這個海關不會鬆懈的確 |
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那一天啊入境的旅客就有7萬多人啦那我們一天啊大概有十七八萬份的快遞的一個報單啦那郵包的部分一天就有4000件量的確非常一個大但是海關還是會在邊境上竭盡全力來防堵好的好謝謝謝謝請我們處長你講廚藝的部分我剛聽到很多委員的建議但是廚藝其實廚藝可以做 |
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做肥料好你說好你做飼料可能說好還有寒帶裡面的細菌那你來做肥料那應該都沒問題那你肥料你就要怎樣來補助 |
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是不是能夠北中南各設一場由我們公家單位來做因為公家單位我們全部都是用公會來做這樣他們也都願意因為廚藝現在都造成整個市場的恐慌嘛因為大家民生剩餘的東西都特別的多或是說現在這個你們要考慮我們農業部這邊考量說廚藝是不是統一由公家來做 |
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是 報告委員這是其實是環境部的權責但是因為我們有共同跨部會議那從他們的報告跟資料裡面我知道是廚餘的部分他們目前除了這個有些養豬以外 |
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那做肥料跟做生殖能源等等這些開發的部分也做的很多所以他們也慢慢的要轉型就是轉型到譬如飼料肥料做肥料或者做生殖能源尤其肥料的部分最主要他們在做的你要怎麼補足補助大家都沒辦法很公平 |
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有的補助比較多有的補助比較少你絕對沒辦法做好你你說要怎麼取得一個很公平性就是由我們公家單位出面看是要怎樣來統籌吸收他們的經驗他們的技術都可以聽說日本做得很好事情來改革你說由公家的單位來做 |
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我們全國設了三場我相信說這廚藝絕對都可以解決因為你可以做肥料農民都需要肥料我們肥料就算便宜還是免費給他們都可以經過這廚藝才能改觀好 我一定會轉達給農業環境部好的 謝謝好 謝謝 |
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好謝謝吳清明委員接下來我們請李博義委員發言來謝謝有請移民署署長防疫署署長還有公務署署長好移民署防疫署還有公務署 |
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謝謝林署長其實今天是在補破網那很遺憾還是有一些單位沒有被邀請到包含我們這個廚餘該怎麼解決我覺得很遺憾那感覺這樣子的安排好像是就認定是境外但我覺得境外有很多方式 |
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那最重要的是宣傳最重要的就是宣導那我們的宣導到底遇到什麼問題宣傳到底遇到什麼問題不是只有對這個養豬戶宣導我覺得境外這種要回國的等等的這些宣導也很重要然後包含關務署這個必須要這種購買 |
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大量可能中國的豬肉製品也是有可能的那這些宣導在去年度在今年度的預算有沒有遇到什麼問題在這裡跟委員做一個報告齁其實坦白講這個有關這個被刪了多少講快一點我們總共在我們移民署的部分大概被刪了一千萬宣導經費嗎公務署有嗎 |
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有關於這部分是主管機關來編列預算我們沒有編列預算我們公務署每年的宣導預算大概十幾萬左右來請這個防疫署長你這邊有宣導預算被刪嗎我們是有刪但是我跟委員報告 被刪多少不知道 原來是三六成三六成 |
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誰三的你去調查一下公諸於世好嗎第二個最重要的事情就是疫調現在疫調遇到什麼問題10月28號我們農業部的記者會說台中市政府有10個缺失請問補正了嗎署長補正了嗎 |
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這十個缺失我們在我們在收到他們的出版的時候那確實還有八項有待提出進一步的那八項包括到說你認為最嚴重的是哪一項我認為是整個人的一個調查人的調查對因為包括到續組你包括他的兒子續組說一開始有請一個獸醫啦然後沒有投藥這一些過程 |
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你認為台中市政府應該要怎麼做要交代清楚因為這涉及到防疫的作為他有交代清楚了嗎目前為止是沒有目前還沒有對不對還沒有好那我再問你一個問題好第一例到底什麼時候目前依照他疫調初步疫調的判斷他的發病從異常的發病是10月10號你確定是10月10號嗎還是更早所以這個一定要追查所以一定要現在還沒查出來這個事關所有的養豬戶 |
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他到底什麼時候才可以把株枝運出來報告委員到目前為止所有印我們現在所有的檢測都是陰性那我現在強調的是說他的這個是10月14號抽驗所以往前推15天所以應該是9月30號所以從9月30號的我們都要追我們這些廚餘的這些來源是不是要定期通報 |
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那請問台中市政府這一個案子有沒有問題檢核廠是一定要目前從他們回報的資料裡面在檢核廠的這個管理上跟集合上是有輸入什麼輸入你說譬如從資料上顯示那個檢核廠他固定一定要通報但是他沒有通報什麼時候開始沒有通報好像是從他們資料好像是五月開始五月五月六月是不是 |
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因為這個是環境部現在目前在追查的那請問你農業部這個房檢署你現在應該做什麼防疫全面防疫全面防疫但是台中這個案子是不是應該要把他這個案例公諸於世讓全國所有包含目前養豬戶很多縣市包含雲林縣包含屏東縣包含彰化縣最多養豬戶的這一些我們要 |
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要落實的宣導我們現在是採取台中犯了什麼錯讓雲林屏東彰化不要再犯這種錯是是借鏡對所以我們的這個每天都有災防中心的會議那就把這個相關的資訊都會在那裡來做討論那也利用這個平台讓所有的防疫人員跟各縣市大家都可以了解跟掌握而且加強他們各自的好那我再問一個問題 |
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台中的整個疫調什麼時候你會有一個精準的說明對於國人是昨天下午三點多的時候那這個剛剛說還有八項缺失那這八項你要怎麼清楚說明如果這些雲林屏東彰化他還沒有get到你的這些資訊的話他到底要怎麼防疫我跟委員報告所以說 |
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讓所有的縣市同步一起啟動所有的緊急防疫作為以及掌握到這個資訊是非常重要所以為什麼我們一直在追查台中市而且也加強高密度追查台中市是什麼高密度譬如說我們現在的作為追查台中市是什麼包括第一階段的觀念場他到底這些廚餘沒有回報從5月開始我看到是8月你說5月開始沒有回報那到底是來源到底是哪裡斷斷續續這個要宣導嘛 |
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這是你要宣導嘛你被砍了六成的預算委員我跟委員報告我們是有分工你被砍了六成的預算你宣導遇到什麼問題當然啦就是說像我們因為我們宣導的面很廣除了國人以外在飛機上在飛機上也要製作短片然後定期的你被砍六成預算你到底少做了什麼你被砍六成預算你到底少做了什麼你講 |
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講不出來就是少了嘛當然不是你的問題嘛你少做了什麼你要知道嘛你要講嘛我們要加回來我們現在在補貨王啊有這個的部分現在都加緊在做了你講不出來啊我不是講不出來可不可以趕快檢討出來我們都有可不可以趕快檢討出來趕快把這些預算追回來 |
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大家都在補破網台中的案例要一項一項一項列出來給其他縣市參考雲林屏東彰化沒有報告委員確實所以我們現在目前從開始都有同步在做謝謝謝謝李博弈委員接下來我們請謝龍介委員發言 |
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主席請博士長我們博長拜託一下博士長你好檢協的一定要換你檢協的同胞表請你在這禮拜來跟國管局有私底的管局 |
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所有的對於這份的檢測的通報表請你分析好 我要轉達環境部如期提出你剛才說的嘛 國會開始嘛不是不是 其他各縣市跟台中的包括台中的這禮拜來提供分析是是是 好不好好 我要轉達 再來剛才你說說不出來有很多選擇你沒做 |
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屬實的都有責 我知道你們都有責所以你要說你沒有責 所以做成這個破口對你有比較危難啦 不是這樣啦我要做在大隊基座裡面來 好 謝謝 補充補充辛苦了你是內閣裡面的 閣門的 教授真的在基站出來透過民意檢驗 非常了解民意的面積多的人 |
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謝謝 本席對你的包括這個馬太安山的岩石瓦曾經跟你談過這是一個真無關跟實無關不一樣的地方擔當這個領領嘛純粹有問題是面對包括龍藥堡你看像現在岩珠靠的這種事情就提早處理了過去如果是馬太安山在要封台你還沒成立彩虹中心的時候 |
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9594.011 |
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就已經去處理今天還沒這樣的事情但是看到十五個月後整個內閣都已經在這種小的地方想辦法給提供花蓮關一半又想辦法要給提供台中市 我覺得沒意思是沒啦你覺得沒嘛 沒就好了你如果沒 其他人就不要再在那邊喝茶聽話 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].start |
9599.324 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
9601.866 |
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為什麼要去拜訪蘇營中蘇營中來自地方嘛 |
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他在地方做過管道嘛 所以地方的管道很清楚嘛風雨這個事情完全是中庸的一種 中庸的靈魂嘛所以 蘇國 蘇伊洲你看看 他冬季是大雨的甚至他第一時間去到海關 去到島嶼的四環雖然他有針對性 我們坦白說對中國大陸大隔空的 |
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也是他收下來了他是不是收下來了我知道啦 所以就遇到這一段話來就是都要拚剩低啊拚到破口出來沒辦法啊這台中怎麼樣台中大家都說要去台中後來他再去找整個行政議長 所謂情欲 |
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所以中央地方沒有通力合作破口就會出來嘛 |
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很簡單啊 結果 我知道要努力啦但是啦 太多像你這樣啦 齁 知道說事情在哪裡最重要啦 不能做的不白 聽的料到你賠對不對我不會誤會啦 我每天在觀察 我才會誤會吃得好 吃得好 你臨山吃一口就沒用了我做你 出入境是你管的啦 |
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| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
9701.518 |
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我一個進來 海關不是你關的啦結果 我問那個官員所有的行李就對了 就是要檢查 我說感冒無盡 我看這一年多來 我出出入入每次都把我帶去檢查 都過X光啊 前後有疑問 他就檢查非常的厭倦啊 他說對啊 我們就是都這樣啊所以我認為這個 |
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英鴻啊 汴階啊 隨時看有什麼也沒有關係結果三天兩晚就拿背在三五省本身在這裡請教你就是說對這個立憲的部分 到今天你不知道破口就到了你不知道來源是什麼了就開始在整理操作 這不是處理事情的味覺 |
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沒有啦 今天在這裡大家其實都很自然是啊 但是大家都說話待遲啊 不然可能有誤會啊不然想要塞...不會塞到地方來作出政治利益 我跟你說啦 賣錢啦絕對賣錢啦譬如說啊 剛才在說廚藝的部門 因為我等一下要過來問朋友 |
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| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
9779.1 |
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全世界人在噴是怎樣噴可以做治療他不是輕輕的噴給你吃不是這樣開多久 開幾十年了 這裡更嚴重噴化做治療是大家的喔大家保護 它不會有滴溶滴溶的身份有完的感覺雖然不像在吃噴吃的 但是安全保障 |
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我待會要看他是不是要去做了所以我本身跟你建議海關這裡不要再牽扯到海關上有破口了我去那裡出出入入他們對出入境的管理我們坦白說做了有螺絲這就送機時送移到去到那裡的時候到今天你沒改變這幾天來所有的委員我問起來出入大家都 |
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你跟維吾爾也一樣啊 跟小卡邦一樣很嚴重但是我們的出入境就對了所有對東南亞來的 因為他們是文化不一樣的他們很喜歡吃故鄉的烤肉有時候在進來的時候 還是安裝 不知道 嚴重的沒有他們吃出來的 等於是噴了所以今天大家會把這個目標 放在這個噴裡面 |
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| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
9862.138 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
阿本來在你現在禁毒 禁運我是認為 你要把你的精神 斷了以後 現在歸來過你已經超過抖音了 因為他的心態 跟你不一樣 |
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對這個負責任的態度 譬如說 給你負責的 你負責你只要說你負責 該不是你的是都會補的你把他站出來 但是他總要叫起來 哼 屁都不給我負責所以真的啊 要不然他就沒辦法我再說一遍 我說媽太安靜了 你就跟我說就是都會補的 囂張他總要叫起來 他總要跟你說東南 他們是西北 |
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那就沒意思了政府官如果不要負責任下面的事務官大家就廉罰嘛因為我們可以不用說啊會有操控不能說啊反正拚的時候喔拚的時候就有側翼的替我們說啊我沒有跟你們講過這件事你們是不是記不住人我沒有記不住人你公園社福這就是農業部的譴責嘛但是你有啦你的部分就是你的部分就是救災指揮中心的指揮官 |
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所以我跟妳談到那天我跟妳講那老婆對老婆對不是老婆我不是老婆對 我主委對不對 我跟妳講這樣跟妳討論這是台獨的問題啦 |
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所以你們下去進步齁這個勞保長的態度齁要出來啦你聽到沒有你要學習這個保長的作風啦他很優秀的 我要給他學習對不起 委員謝謝感謝你謝謝謝同志委員 |
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接下來我們請鄭天才委員鄭天才委員鄭天才委員不在現在請丁薛忠委員感謝教委我請我們的防疫署署長謝謝 |
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館主委 鄉長 國長 不錯齁沒事沒事在這齁 我先感謝我們市長 市長 六月 國王來跟我們委員會齁 感謝你們開關 作會對著我們這個防疫的第一手來守候 也先感謝你們 先候你們齁當這個疫情 非洲豬瘟發生之後 咱全國的擁地齁 |
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大家都非常驚訝尤其是我們福林縣我們有這樣全國三省的用地一千三百多一千兩百多我們這裡的防疫單位一百五十幾萬頭的地所以這已經未來風雨風雪這對這裡的用地是都非常重大的一個影響在這裡要請問我們的署長以前 |
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發生這幾天我們中國用地庭 用地庭跟外面地庭的消毒跟調查確定我們中華的那個東北化現場另外的已經發生了是 報告委員 開始我們全面性包括我們所有地庭的紡繕跟這個什麼我們55場的這個屠宰場跟我們8場的這個化製場 |
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那以及我們的觀念場的試試場那不管是消毒而且監測監測所有監測都是陰性到目前為止都是陰性所以我們個人不能夠掉以輕心因為我們現在跨入到第二階段所以這個全國的防疫上更重要更吃緊那我們更要努力去做感謝蘇長 |
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我們以前控制中又禁止屠宰我們又禁止屠宰我們這裡的用地這裡都開口因為建議說不要用這個廚藝來市場這裡可以來觀光和學生 |
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我跟委員報告因為我們一個應變中心是跨部會 |
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所以保證在那處理企業的時候都有針對環境部 環境部的也是他們相關的署長都有來包括到也跟那個彭部長這邊都有共識就是說現在我們435號用處理企業的這個部分那現在我們禁止期間是不是針對他們的這個受到影響的這個飼料因為我們把轉型到飼料的 |
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來餵飼嘛那這個部分是不是有一個相關的一個補貼的一個措施那另外是說未來要寧定更長期的是不是協助這435戶轉型到不用這個廚餘來做養豬這個都已經列入到實質的一個討論方案那確定以後就會對外來做公佈我跟廚長分析一下我們分析館長100公斤的全民來建設這個廚餘養豬 |
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開復用車沒問題還要尊敬會議的規定都非常多那都沒問題但是勝過是非常成功大家看都應該會知道是我們婚姻剛好有一天發生在那裡出發場我們希望說我們以婚姻成功的安慰我們當每一個關係他們要繼續在處理養豬 |
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我們可以來協助協助國管局來建設一個廚化廠來針對這個廚藝化學化學之後我們還可以做有機工藝 |
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這對我們的農民成功分流,我以前做好位定調,現在我都當選,分農管教都當選,我們第一的進程,建築這個廚藝養殖,來做這個有機果,集齊我們的小農,大家都收集,來討這個有機果,我感覺這是一個很好的方式,希望說, |
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我們都要說要趕快想好對稱來向行政院來過個好風險對著未來我們這個風機非洲豬瘟的發生可以經營可以控制住 |
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其實這個廚餘 也未來的政策其實中央行政院也很認識 那也要求我們農業部跟環境部大家共同來討論 什麼順利的來做轉型我這裡也要另外報告就是說 文靈關係我們少數公 廚餘禁止養豬的縣市模範縣市 那現在就是說 |
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我們這個保分而且輔導他做這個有機質的工廠這是一個也是一個很好的一個示範我想這個部分環保署大概將來的這個模式都會輔導來做那這裡也跟這個委員來做報告 |
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我們是有三間化智廠啦 我在這也要特別感謝啦因為我們 雲林也好 我們屏東也好 都有三間啦我們全台灣有八間 原來是九間 一間是沒有的沒有運作的 所以這八間喔 都在幫我們倒三天 但是我們也是有特別要求說化智廠的 |
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消毒非常重要還有環境的採檢也非常重要所以現在都有這樣在做到目前為止也都是陰性 報告你在這裡感謝蘇長還有一位幫蘇長報告一位因為我們現在已經對中小型的用地風影響非常大 |
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因為貸款更適又更好的中小息期可能會造成我們這個低農租金出現風險 |
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這樣原來 原廚原來建議是不是可以來考量延長他們大規模的年限以及來檢討他們這個金融的負債對 報告這個部長都沒有交代所以現在農金署針對這個金融支持針對養豬戶在這段時間過渡期他資金緊張要金融支持都你認定了會對外再做詳細的公佈所以我給你報告感謝 這樣在這段時間 |
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我們近期的時間,我們用地殼的治療費用會增加除此之外 |
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他就向兩屆委員他就給我分了說現在我們這個地方用治療來治我們有沒有辦法是其實我們都已經討論這個方案應該在行政討論確定但是就等宣布啦那應該是最快時間這一週內應該就會對外宣布受受到應用的包括我們的豬籠包括我們的屠宰場包括我們的花枝場包括我們的養豬戶以及 |
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我們經濟部所管轄的攤商這個部分全部都是在我們研擬的名單的受補助的對象後來後來過來喔改建我們這個大廳的美麗這個花園市場齁那個時候像需要我們都約公出來做協調 |
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市長這個高級收工的這個機制一定要把我們地方修正我可以國際開發的地方會繼續修正是這個國分前你們要注意一下報告委員這都對我們的方案的全面性所以為什麼每天都要開會 要討論 要提方案這就是已經都亂了 |
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所以我跟你們報告就是說這個的那個我們現在已經考慮到說解禁以後那一窩蜂大家出租一定會塞車價格會跌會影響農民所以說現在已經由許牧師在已經研擬登記出租要有序的登記出租因為評估啦一次出租出來 |
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因為在這段時間可能受影響是三十萬隻那我們每天的供應量大致兩萬六千隻所以說假設好那我讓你再提高百分之二十那也不過三萬多所以說怕塞車會影響到價格所以會有次序的出租這個部分的方案整個都已經就緒了感謝蘇長 感謝你的辛苦謝謝 |
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謝謝丁薛忠委員發言接下來我們請徐富奎委員發言謝謝主席我們有請海洋委員會管碧玲主委我特別介紹一下請看我們內政部的馬政事主委有補充 請起立議員好主委 次長好我想這個我們今年5月 |
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我們在屏東舉辦了這個我們世界動物衛生組織宣布台灣是亞洲唯一這個非疫區國家的一個榮耀但是很遺憾這個最近因為台中發生這個非洲豬瘟的事件那造成我們這個不只是動物防疫的問題我想從這個生產端我們這個屏東也是養豬的大縣那除了這個生產端這個受到很大的衝擊之外連我們這個消費端 |
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主委有沒有吃過屏東的腕輪豬腳跟屏東的肉圓有 我也有吃這不夠的話 未來沒地方人吃 也沒肉圓人吃所以現在轉來就圍堵我告訴你 今天的危機都有它的圍堵我們希望能持續下去我們應該是跨部會來整個合作做一個有效的防堵我想這個是對於整個產業也好整個我們民生物價也好很重要的一個層面 |
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但是我想這個我們目前今天的主題是這個編譯檢查期跟防疫嘛因為我最近也聽到坊間很多朋友在講 |
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這個我們小山通大家去那裡搜尋會帶了很多肉製品進來這是一個很嚴重的一個破口問題所以有查有查清訊息我們是有一個連檢然後關務署關務署會協同我們甚至於我們有專門訓練來評那個肉紋肉品的遵守權我們也都有配合海關關務署這邊所組成的連檢我們都有在連檢 |
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到截至目前為止今年查獲幾件有違規的事項這個我們請關務署回答好嗎這可能是統計在關務署那裡我們主要是人員跟船舶的安全檢查那行李主要在關務署我們請署長答覆一下 |
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有關於旅客的部分今年為止是查到850件那小山通的部分我們可能還要再另外再統計一下旅客的部分這個是一個很嚴謹的國安問題我們大概底下的所謂的一個港口也好這個所謂的一個我們這個機場也好 |
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那麼好的一個防堵一個措施但是不能讓小山通變成一個我們沒有注意到的一個破口的一個問題我想這個因為現在這個小山通去的人也蠻多的然後這個東西如果沒有謹慎處理的時候我想這個是我們必須要面對的好 謝謝委員提醒那我們未來是不是有建立一個邊境防檢疫的一個資訊聯防系統這部分可以做這個東西聯防系統 |
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資訊聯防當然我們跟我們的相關友軍都會有情職的一個交換如果第一時間接到我們相關的通報的時候我們怎麼樣去處理是通報到相關單位去做處理嗎還是怎樣來防範看這個貨品是出現在哪裡我們就會及時去那個通關點去做處理 |
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我想分工很重要但是不能因為分工分得太細大家互踢皮球通報的時間差造成我們的防疫的破口這部分要怎麼去防範這樣的一個防線延遲的一個問題防線延遲的問題跟委員報告只要有情緒的話我們都會及時處理對那就是我想這部分我們跟友軍一定都會密切合作的不會成為這個防疫的破口 |
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我們今天在這邊講這個就是一個很嚴肅的問題我想幫忙注意趕快我們一樣共同這個從不一樣的面向陸海空各方面都要去防堵這樣一個破口出現那我想另外一個問題就是最近三年快遞違規輸入動物的產品的部分有高達1000多件其中豬肉製品就有200多件那還有一些在這個數位海關的防疫上面也出現技術性的一個漏洞那針對這樣的一個漏洞 |
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我想我們署長有沒有什麼一個方便的一個措施跟委員報告就1級位的部分我們這幾年來一直在強化這個冒名註冊跟冒名報關那這三年來已經停權的四萬五千多筆可能是疑似這些可能會被冒名都會報關的那這部分我們一直在強化實名認證的這個身份驗證像我們最近也是實施這個雙卡認證 |
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所以我一直在強化身份驗證的一個一個一個措施會封鎖他們的相關的一些資訊嗎封鎖他們相關資訊我們會停權如果他帳號是高風險的高違規的我們會停權會給他停權未來是不是考慮建置所謂的簡易風險分級的AI篩檢系統 |
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有沒有辦法做一個精進的一個做法簡易的AI風險系統報告委員可不可以再跟你確認一下指的是哪一種針對一些特定的有問題的部分能不能做一個比較精密的一個鎖定是跟委員報告目前我們都是靠海關是靠風險管理我們自己有一道專家風險管理的一個系統那我們當然會朝AI的方向繼續努力 |
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謝謝我想這個跨部會整合大家一起來努力啦齁我們也期待這個趕快把這個事情能夠平息讓我們的產業也好讓我們的消費者都能夠過得一個更好的一個生活了大家要吃到滴肉吃到空肉飯吃到肉丸吃到豬腳啦齁這才是幸福的生活啦好謝謝好謝謝委員謝謝徐副國務委員接下來我們請林楚英委員發言 |
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謝謝主席 主席有請公務署署長還有我們的房間署杜署長請公務署房間署委員好 |
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好 署長因為過去我在這個裁委會所以也非常關心我們海關同仁包括我們的人力啊 設備等等那麼這一陣子因為這個非洲豬瘟疫情的狀況所以我相信同仁們一定都非常的辛苦也都對於這個 |
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海關的這個作業不敢輕忽但是以本席現在所拿到的這樣的一個數字當中我們一起來看一下這是今天10月29號最新的那當然這個是來自於我們房檢署的資訊我們在抽驗的9549件樣品當中 |
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陽性的有998件85%也就是849件來自中國112件來自越南36件來自泰國1件來自馬來西亞從2018年8月到現在陽性檢疫出來的有85%來自中國我想這個部分不容置疑因為數字會說話那麼在這個數字旁邊我們看到的就是來自於中國的急運的這個包裹我覺得 |
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現在當然有人在追理由但是我們要預防勝於治療就是說接下來我們到底要怎麼來防範剛剛前面的委員都有提到就是急運的包裹這樣子一批一批進來喔他確實很容易有漏洞本席過去在財委會的時候也參觀過台北關也看過 |
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在海運的部分這種急運下貨櫃的狀況我說實話我必須講海關同仁是非常辛苦的一秒鐘要看這種急運的大包裹這困難度是非常高的那麼當中國的這些 |
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如果裡面夾帶著豬肉製品在裡面的時候真的可以一秒鐘火眼金星看過去嗎因為我們現在是這樣喔不能超過10單每一單不能超過20公斤可是這種豬肉製品如果夾在裡面10單20公斤我問 真的 署長海關人員要花多少時間去看清楚啊以現在的X光掃描機火眼金星看得到嗎 |
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首先非常感謝委員對海關一向的一個支持跟這個指導的確快遞貨物的量非常多尤其八成都是來自中國大陸那這個一天大概有七八萬份的這個報單要通關那我們現在是靠S光跟企圖權 |
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抱歉應該是簡易拳來繡紋那X光的部分我們靠的就是X光我們現在是雙色圓的X光那即使看的還算蠻清楚的那我們有豁明同步顯示系統來支援這個我們同仁的這個X光那我們會盡最大的努力啦那X光的部分我們會看顏色密度形狀這些我們都有建立圖檔過去違規的圖檔來協助同仁來增加這個判讀 |
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這個查到這個命中率還會提高好所以說目前X光是可以我知道現在在為了能夠有更先進的安檢的設備在淘機其實現在也開始有建置所謂的CT的 |
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這個所謂驗光機那這個部分會用在貨品上嗎現在這個看起來應該是放在機場對人員進出的部分那這個部分其實本席可以建議啦就我知道如果全面換發新的相關的更先進的掃描的設備比如說3D立體顯影等等的更好的這樣的設備的時候可能會有經費預算本席建議其實是可以從貨運 |
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報關行的這個業者開始就是讓他們的器材設備上不要只有我們公家來做這個部分因為現在防疫檢疫是人人有責除了剛剛講到的落實所謂Easy web在這個所謂消費者這邊申報這邊之外包括 |
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這個平台這邊相關的建制包括寄建人收建人這些都必須要落實之外實名制之外最重要的我還是建議就是如果我們這樣徹底防範非洲豬瘟的話這個所謂集運然後掃描安全通管的問題其實還是要解決如果說預算有限因為像我們在我其實本來很想問你們這一次海關的預算到時候到財委會的時候要守住不要被 |
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在野黨大刀一揮又揮掉到時候狗狗的這個費用啊這個關務署相關的海關人員的費用啊加急清貼啊這個部分你們要好好守住啊因為守住也是守住我們的國安的部分守住我們的這個非洲豬瘟 |
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台委會委員都非常支持海關的預算所以我要講的就是說我們的預算不足的話其實也可以從報關行或者是業者這裡來讓設備做一些改進然後財政部這裡可以給一些租稅上面的優惠 |
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那也許這樣子我們可以在設備上面就是他們有更新設備然後在設備上更新的時候我們可以給一些租稅上面的優惠鼓勵他們就是一起在所謂邊境管制上面尤其是像我們講的這種所謂的中國急運寄來的這樣的設備上面能夠做一些更新這樣也可以減輕我們自己的負擔因為畢竟這個是可能要官民一起聯手才能夠守住不要讓豬瘟進來守住我們的台灣豬 |
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謝謝委員的指導我們會朝這方面去努力好謝謝好謝謝林楚英委員接下來何欣淳委員何欣淳委員何欣淳委員不在接下來是邱志維委員發言 |
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謝謝主席是不是請這個農業部房間署杜署長請杜署長 公務署彭署長好 署長第一個問題請教你就是本來日本跟台灣是為惡的非豬瘟疫區那現在已經台灣已經有豬瘟的這個案例現在唯一的就只有日本上次我在今天我會質詢日本的經驗可以去學習 |
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日本的廚餘日本有沒有廚餘是 日本有廚餘是家家戶戶都有廚餘嗎他們還是有產生廚餘廚餘的量廚餘的量沒有台灣多吧沒有你們去了解日本廚餘怎麼去產生因為我每天跟日本人生活我知道日本比較少廚餘他們廚餘不是像我們這個 |
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的一般的這個方式在處理好即便有廚餘這廚餘那天在經濟委員會他提到說可以讓他變成飼料是液態的還是固態的他有先進的技術是過去我們有沒有這個技術我試著回答因為這是環境部的好就你業管的部分就日本的經驗您知不知道日本他的這個到底怎麼樣 |
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把他把這個廚藝變成這個飼料是液態的還是固態的他要記住我們能不能取得是所以他們沒有邊境管制他們依然可以確保是非豬瘟果所以這是我們可以學習的然後部長說我們如果可以取得授權的話我們願意馬上去做對部長已經交代了就是委員那間執行委員會可以的話我們馬上去日本去看是看看他們到底是用什麼方式來變成飼料 |
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那就完全就解決這個問題了嘛一方面可以解決廚藝的問題一方面可以避免這個豬瘟因為它已經飼料化就完全沒有病毒了嘛這個有沒有計畫馬上去日本去考察一下我們去看也可以經濟委員會去看也可以 |
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報告委員我們已經有做對日本這個處於其實他們大部分是用剩食飼料化那技術面的話有液態飼料也有乾燥的飼料兩個技術都有在使用對 |
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這兩個飼料不管液態或物態都能夠杜絕這個豬瘟的病毒對於有含肉移綠的原料的話人家已經行之一有年了為什麼我們為什麼不學他們的技術或者取得授權我們還用比較沒有效率的方式做邊際檢查然後要那麼多人力 |
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報告委員台灣也有一場是做把這個剩餘的食品變剩食變成那個固態飼料台灣有五千多場耶只有一場做成乾燥飼料的有一場為什麼沒有辦法全面這可能涉及成本的問題我覺得這部分跟去跟日本學習如果取得授權盡快如果可行的話連評估可行的話盡快跟日本代表處 |
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趕快去日本實際去看一下實際的狀況那我們還會另外再安排那個署長另外再安排是不是經濟委員會也去日本看一下到底是他們怎麼樣把廚餘處理變成私料化這個過程是怎麼樣技術是怎麼樣我們可能要盡快去看一下你們速度不能比立法院慢 |
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你們住代表處有沒有農業部的同仁有你們趕快去收集資料明天我就去看也可以這個防疫如作戰另外你們在桃一桃二你們是委外你們新竹分數到底有沒有同仁在那邊 |
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我報告委員您那天這個質詢以後那就交代桃園分署都要輪流輪班24小時都一定要有監督人員在那裡保健公司固然有受過訓練他專業度沒有比我們房間署的同仁還有如果有什麼狀況房間署可以馬上處理嘛 |
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而且針對高風險發高風險台港澳 港澳中他是強制要檢查一定要檢查除了日本之外全部一定要檢查他如果檢查出來他有帶豬肉當場丟掉就沒事你們數據來看你們從這個107年到114年 |
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總共還有2619件這2000多件是經過你們的安檢區到海關被攔檢下來嘛對不對你看還有2000多件漏網之魚幹嘛呢手檢區修正一下是手檢區的數量你的手檢區的數量那真正被查法有多少查法900多 |
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基本上這樣你經過手撿區不是只是一個形式而已你要有專業的人去看到底有沒有而且要看得仔細一排十個人在那邊大部分在協助搬運行李通過速度很快我是懷疑到底有沒有在看 |
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我們可以來檢討這個時期的這個流程跟作業將近2600多件2600多件他就把它丟掉就沒事嘛你說還有900多件是要裁罰的在裁罰是在彭署長那邊又被攔下第二關被攔下來對不對沒有錯嘛在我們這邊應該到那邊就不會重複裁罰 |
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對嘛你們在前第一線沒有採訪嘛不是我跟委員報告就是這個我們檢查的是旅客帶的手撿的隨身攜帶S光機是針對我們的行李對我知道所以兩個是不一樣的那手撿的部分呢手撿就是剛剛講的2600多件對2600多件之中對嘛那都不會採訪嘛那你東西拿掉就好採訪丟掉不是怎麼會採訪這個 |
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你那個良福保全再做安全的丟掉丟掉就不用裁罰了嗎不用裁罰那你裁罰900多千是怎麼裁罰應該是那個是托運行李還是手提行李S光機確診是S光機是托運行李嘛對不對是是是所以900多千是托運行李是好在第一關你們這個委託的這個保險公司做的這個手提行李的檢查 |
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你們撿出200多件丟掉就沒事嘛是丟掉他不就沒有裁罰的問題是是是所以目前這樣子完全沒有裁罰然後呢這個托運行李你們被罰了這個700多件托運行李嘛 |
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被罰是全部是婚姻行李各位報告因為首提行李的話是在桃園機場是經過房間署100%手檢確認他沒有帶違規產品才會讓他通過 |
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那接下來海關這邊S光機還會再檢查那個就是拖運的行李的部分所以被罰的全部拖運行李嘛被罰的部分有兩種樣態一種是動物產品一種是植物產品是嘛反正所有被裁罰的都是拖運行李嘛所提行李在你們第一關他看到不管有沒有看到啦他看到只要過了就沒事了嘛對不對 |
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不管有沒有看到因為我們托運行李我們首提行李檢查是針對高風險的那個非洲諸多國家那有些國家像日本像歐美但我都知道我說你們檢查第一個要專業第一個要確實的那麼多的每天大概這個六七萬人入境六七萬人入境他的首提行李他可能在機場買一個豬肉產品他就放著那你如果沒有檢查出來那就是你們第一線防潛局的問題 |
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對不對現在採訪都是經過S光機透過這個托運行李看到才採訪對不對跑不掉因為他托運行李嘛那手力行李第一個你們安檢的品質怎麼樣專業怎麼樣把關很重要每天六七萬人入境你如果檢查確實的話好 |
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他就把他拿掉對不對對就不會是被裁罰了對然後還有第二道關卡就是到了那個我們的留那個什麼檢疫犬的那個地方檢疫犬是第二道有幾隻檢疫犬我目前全國有56隻56隻56隻這個你如果要檢查就要很確實是不能抽檢是這個防疫的關卡很重要是所以我最後 |
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我建議就是第一線路徑第一關所有的這個手裡行李案件的部分一定要專業而且要確實不能留意形式另外你說有這個犬隻要在第二波第二關這個也要確實如果被犬隻查到怎麼辦要不要罰 一定罰那個這個只要有肉製產品就當場就開立20萬那假設他不繳就回去了如果犬隻查到 |
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代表說你那一關那一關跳過了那一關沒有你們第一關沒有查出來是是我們也在追這種要吻合啦要相相所以啊這個第一關很重要啊署長新竹分署一定要再加油桃園那是桃園分署桃園分署還是新竹分署已經改成叫桃園分署桃園分署謝謝好謝謝宣誓會委員 |
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接下來請楊瓊英委員發言謝謝主席 楊瓊發言邀請關務署彭署長委員好 |
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據媒體報導10月25號報導非洲豬瘟疑似台灣在現中當然目前為止我們規定從國外攜帶或者是遊購是以6公斤以下自用食品回台它是免申報的所以你關瑞署在24號表示你會請食藥署研議相關的規定 |
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但是食藥署在隔天馬上回覆聲明他發表聲明說認為內容物才是防疫的重點那這個爭議不管是從哪裡來尤其這個大陸食品的螺蛳粉這個什麼魔乳爽這些的產品我們看到在在這個台灣隨處都可以看得見那請教關護署你當時希望食藥署 |
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你們要他改的是什麼是公斤數還是內容物因為他直接給你隔天就跟你說他是認為是內容物才是重點所以邊境的管理到目前為止石耀署跟你所提出的好像是各自一詞來請說明報告委員 |
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這是因為有關於媒體一個報導就是說在捷運上看到旅客兩大箱的這個所謂的這個螺絲粉他認為說這應該是走私進來的所以國境大門動開都沒有在把關那我們是發個新聞稿澄清說一個人 |
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自用可以帶6公斤的食品這是食藥署的規定這是目前的規定大家都知道只是你要食藥署他們你希望他們去調整是要調整什麼公斤數當然食藥署講的沒錯那現在食藥署已經給你打臉說公斤數不重要是內容物才重要那你們兩個怎麼做呢 |
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內容物當然海關一定會看每一個貨物到底有沒有含豬肉所以如果說食藥署現在回復的25號回復就是說他不贊成把公斤數調降是不是如此他回復是要看內容物內容物是重點但公斤數 |
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是不是有調降的空間他們會再演繹他們會再演繹那你認為什麼時候可以告訴我們你希望食藥署所做的那麼最後你們兩方所達成的共識是什麼告訴社會大眾我想目前食藥署應該有在救公斤數是不是要調降所以到目前為止我們這個公務所還是希望6公斤可以做調降你的方向是如此 |
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以關務署的立場啦因為同仁檢驗的貨物非常的多啊我也知道琳瑯滿目槍毒一些什麼加熱菸啦所以你還是認為6公斤不管郵購或者是國外攜帶6公斤可以調降6公斤一個人6公斤的話比如說我們旅客不是你的方向是不是如此是 |
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所以本席就不希望說在現階段大家應該要團結一致好好的防疫好好的建立那因為我們看到關護署跟食藥署是各執各執一詞那到底怎麼回事我們還是要理清楚那我們也希望你們兩方好好趕快去討論到底是怎麼樣要告訴社會大眾才不會讓民眾有更多一個問號跟質疑 |
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謝謝委員知道我們跟食藥署都有保持密切聯繫你要趕快去檢討看到底是怎麼回事不要讓民眾有問號那現在我們上一次在經濟委員會裡頭你也提出你們增加了S光機那我們也提出你的檢疫犬到底夠不夠檢疫犬目前運用檢疫犬你大概有56隻那到底第一個數量夠不夠第二個他們的經濟方案 |
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能不能應對這一些請做說明這個S光機的部分我們海關有118台的這個小型的S光機那我們都有進行這個太舊換新所以我們都會朝這個智慧科技查緝的方向去努力那至於檢疫權的部分是屬於防檢署的權責來請說明 |
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保安委員我們現在全國有56隻的監獄犬那其中在桃園分屬是佈置了29隻那現在夠不夠如果當我們發生這樣的事情大家一律各個港口以及這個大家都希望量能夠夠 |
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其實我們都有在逐年調整但他會碰到一個問題就是訓練檢疫權不是那麼容易的事情問題就在這裡在早先的時候我們可能從美方跟他合作跟紐西蘭合作紐西蘭後來他們說我們也要自己從COVID-19以後他就說不行我們就加 |
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不跟你合作了我也不賣你了當然我們知道有還是有經濟空間我們支持所以你們必須各種管道要怎麼去調整我們希望就是大家團結一致來做報告委員我跟關務署我們在去年有一個合作也就是 |
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沒關係你再順便資料給本席我們希望好好的能夠來防堵那量能要怎麼做你想順便資料給本席 好不好好接下來本席要請教警政署署長有來嗎 |
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這個議題本來上次因為時間關係沒有問到但我很關心這個議題因為在臉書社群裡頭有說你警戒內部是有嚴重的數據造假文化所以有不少的員警來指控為了配合長官衝刺身簽的績效你會把A1類的死亡車禍先登錄在刑案後續再去做更改 |
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要美化這個交通死亡的數據有沒有這個事他們還特別指出高雄桃園都有那這個會產生什麼問題呢如果屬實這很嚴重的問題第一個受害家屬的家屬受害者的家屬他本來可以有這個意外險的這個200萬 |
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但是他如果不是在A1族的他就沒有辦法領這他的損失非常的大第二個如果真正這個路口他是嚴重的而因為數字失真導致沒有辦法去改善那個路口那這個嚴重性更嚴重請教署長 |
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包委員這個A1的這個部分是不會造假我們現在都是異化在做管理所以絕對不會有這種事情發生我們都異化那你這個所謂的數據這個部分如果是透過人工的各方面但是現在全部都是異化在做一個處理所以也沒有這一些的這個這個應該是不實的啦 |
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那如果不是 你們應該要澄清啊網路啊 每天一直傳啊你們應該要去澄清啊因為連受害的家屬 你到現在才知道經濟是有我們在加油的 AI要加油啊 |
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這關來澄清 我們也澄清這個絕對不會去造假因為你連你連受害的家屬他的影響那麼大他如果不是在A1組的這個報案的時候他連交通事故這個強制汽車責任險的這個第六條的規定了他就沒辦法他這是兩百萬 |
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對不對所以影響本席剛才講的有兩項我們會來澄清了你要澄清嘛你一定要趕快澄清因為我們不希望行政部門有被挑戰這個信任誠信的危機對不對你立即澄清嘛所以沒這回事因為有責我們檢討之 |
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無責你必須要去澄清是鼓勵我們的員警嘛對不對你贊同嗎贊同因為我們不希望讓民眾來做這個一樣又是問號的不好趕快去澄清趕快去澄清那要好你請回OK謝謝 |
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好謝謝楊瓊英委員接下來請黃建豪委員黃建豪委員黃建豪委員不在林俊憲委員林俊憲委員林俊憲委員不在蘇清泉委員蘇清泉委員蘇清泉委員不在林倩琦委員林倩琦委員林倩琦委員不在現在請陳雪生委員發言 |
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好謝謝主席啊是不是請警政署張署長張署長請委員好署長我們馬祖警察局啊連山縣警察局齁那個官有啦兵沒有有啦都補給了啦補了多少人6個不夠啦已經滿了啊沒有滿沒有滿要8個才夠 |
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因為我們預算原額本來就已經很少了預算原額比編制原額少為了省一點錢因為預算是比編制少一點點 |
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那你不能說只有巡關以上的那底下沒有兵我們這次就是馬祖的部分因為他的人數少就基層的這個部分如果少一個可能在量度不足所以這是大概優勢補最多的啦好啦謝謝組長不管怎麼樣這個馬祖警察局 |
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在署的領導之下跟我們縣政府還有地方人都配合的非常好謝謝委員署長請回是不是請召委請移民署移民署林署長請移民署林署長署長早上個禮拜啊這個發生一件大陸漁船在不是海峽中間喔在他們的領海公海在他們領海 |
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對我們海欄二號裡面12隻星的海欄弄斷兩隻星後來被海巡把他帶回來海巡帶回來以後大概就把他留置了並沒有拘留啊幹什麼等等都沒有那其中斷了兩星那現在中華電信我跟他們協商因為大陸那邊跟我們聯絡 |
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大陸跟我們聯絡,那現在已經和解了那他賠了25萬那這個案子已經到我們連江地檢署當然地檢署那邊依法行政嘛,他們會去處理那已經調解完畢了那這個問題是不大了現在這個人,人在馬祖也沒有拘留,也沒有留置,也沒有收押那這個人怎麼回去是個問題 |
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我曾經也打電話給我們怡俊 怡俊組長 怡俊組長也有去協調那這個人現在兩種方式嘛一個是 署裡面很像講 預案要有大通證謝謝怡俊組長 多謝你協助 禮拜六禮拜六放假我還找他 他一直很熱心 在努力這個事情一個大通證 大通證他說要見到人 大陸那邊講要見到人頭才能有大通證 |
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因為我們現在海基跟陸委會跟對面已經不通了已讀不回了已經對幹了 已經火車對撞了沒有協調的人了是不是那現在一個大統政的方式一個是時間暫停一下時間暫停 |
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好 一個人用大通證如果大通證寄過來我們讓他回去但他大通證本來只有一種現在為了這個人他有兩種就是一次性的臨時大通證那今天會從黃旗送到我們議長的手上那有了這個大通證我們可以讓他就移民署這邊讓他出境移民署讓他出境如果沒有大通證的話呢那就是你們的預案很像是移民署的預案 |
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也就是從他們派個漁船過來我們也雇用了漁船在海峽中線把人叫出去署長你們有沒有研究妥適方案現在這個可能沒辦法做這樣子的一個處理沒辦法做這樣子的一個處理他沒有事啊 沒有事啊 目前啊人怎麼回去 |
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你海巡把他帶回來的人怎麼給他弄回去你不能被人家求啊我每天要提供他便當這個案子因為這個他是應該是因為在我們海巡把他帶進來的啦應該是海巡帶進來的啦所以他並不是標準的所謂的偷渡啦他是等於是非法 |
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斷纜等於是非法他應該是涉及到國安的問題啦合解的現在沒有這個問題啦沒有斷纜的問題啦人合解啦案子已經合解啦跟委員報告那原來我們移送給地檢署以後地檢署檢察官裁定這個人是由移民署來收容收容收容多久啊他斷纜的原因已經消失了嘛因為他合解啦 |
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那賠獎金也賠啦25萬也收啦已經沒事啦那你們要把他養到嗎移民署總有預案嘛 總有個方案啊你移民署總要有個對策嘛對不對其實這個部分齁 這個部分我們要把他驅逐出境但是問題是他沒有大通證大陸那邊不會收那他如果有大通證你們要不要放他走會啊 |
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因為他本來就要虛擬出去那臨時的大通證你們可以接受嗎一次一次性的大通證他本來營運本要送來啊我說不行現在大通證是他回大陸的時候有大陸那邊在看的所以大陸那邊如果說他有發正常應該是會收可以嗎 |
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如果是他發的他應該就會收我們對海關會放行嗎 我們的移民組會放行嗎我們會發臨時出境許可讓他一次性的 讓他回去也可以吧 好那這樣就OK了啦那不然的話也要按照前例嘛 要漁船送回去另外署長喔馬祖現在的人球有多少個你知道嗎大陸的人球有30幾個你們沒關係喔 那個海巡要養到 要養到 |
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他們留置啊 養照 還蓋個房子給他們住勒還提供他們起居作息 海巡很多錢喔海安委會很多錢嗎 30幾個海巡署出來有沒有來 |
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沒有啊我把名單開給你三十幾個不是一個兩個三個我們沒有留置三十幾個人報紙有一個有一個偷渡犯他八月底的時候已經執行期滿但是呢目前中國也不收所以還收容在移民署三十幾個我名單開給你我們沒有我們沒有留置三十幾個人好那你們不要提供便當給他喔把它二十喔 |
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我們沒有留置三十幾個人你問一下海巡隊問一下海巡隊好不好我們會後來跟委員我們來跟委員了解不必查證我們絕對沒有留置但是我們會來跟委員請教所有這個數字主委我正好要找你了海巡蓋房子 |
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我們讓他蓋了我當縣長的時候就把核地讓他蓋了把土地蓋給你們了也都給你們了你們蓋的進度怎麼樣現在 |
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我們有委員講的是海巡隊我們海巡隊目前都是一進度大概是不是說明一下蓋到一樓目前蓋到一樓是我們請同仁組長說明一下好嗎是我有去看過好 組長你說明一下馬祖海巡隊的工程目前是進度大概百分之二十多左右 |
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進入六月超前 那目前蓋到一樓那一定是明年底會能夠整個完工當初我跟你們海巡講你們海巡要蓋房子你不是要蓋個另外一個房子讓海巡弟兄住進去嗎你去拿個貨櫃租了幾十個幾百個貨櫃把它堆疊起來 現在漏水啦我跟你們講暫時臨時性的清澈蓋了以後你們將來這個房子蓋好剩下的房子給縣政府用嘛 |
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你要浪費那個錢幹什麼我搞不懂你們後勤人員在幹什麼我也跟你們建議了 你們也不聽不過這已經算了啦 沒關係啦目已成舟啦有需要蓋個房子嘛簡單的房子讓他住嘛用那個貨櫃屋 拿了幾十個 一百個把它疊起來 裡面跟鬼一樣就是貨櫃啊 還不是 |
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他不是一個貨櫃一個貨櫃疊起來不是我有去看那個臨時聽射你去馬祖沒去參觀過聽射嗎我去看臨時聽射也去看然後開工典禮我也去一個接一個 |
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就是貨櫃啊OK 來委員我們一定來把他們的居住環境做很好的改善好不好但是要蓋一棟房子來做臨時聽測這個部分可能還涉及土地等等各方面的問題跟土地什麼關係土地是我們提供給你的土地是縣政府提供給你沒有土地沒關係啊只是你們因為說錢要比較多一點就如此而已嘛 |
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凡事還是靠需求,未來海巡,未來海巡隊的建築,未來海巡隊的建築完成以後土地也給你啦我也親自陪著縣長去看過了你們已經三年了,連動都不動我們把土地收回來 |
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委員我們一直有在走程序請你們放心因為他必須要走三階段程序要走三四年嗎我早知道等你們程序走完才答應你們維持這個三階段我們一直沒辦法突破這一點你們跟縣長說明一下好不好可是他沒辦法被當作國防設施你說走什麼程序 三階段對 三階段審議現在走到哪一階段 |
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還在一階段還是二階段第二階段還是二階段我回去找縣政府發個函給你們我們跟你終止 |
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我們跟你統治你慢慢去三階段啦這個委員是氣話我了解但是三階段的問題我們一直非常非常希望能夠突破但是畢竟我們不是國防部當初救生大隊在那邊我花了很多苦水把救生大隊把它弄走 |
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然後把土地給你們不過委員我們已經走到第二階段也算是一個突破我跟你講你跟上面報告再給你兩個月時間不行的話我們終止我跟你講這個土地不給你們我知道委員關心的程度讓委員說了這樣的氣話但是我們事實上走三階段是一直在努力你們話講 主委你話講再多沒有用我跟你講你給我擋物的放在閒置了三四年了我們憲政的發展讓你這樣子玩法不可能的 |
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我們現在不可能讓你這樣玩啦我們也很關心它中間的設計所以在這個設計的過程當中我們也非常非常聽取地方的意見然後做了很多很多的修正委員也知道那些過程所以委員我們不是閒置喔我們不知道這個過程喔 署長你會後來跟我報告一下好不好哪有這樣閒置在這個地方呢好 另外還有一個問題 主委 |
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前幾天發現一條豬死豬啊在我們北竿的秦碧海岸發現這條豬發現的是紅斑點是陽性反應是豬瘟你們怎麼處理 |
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我們按照SOP非常謹慎的處理完畢最後有焚毀跟掩埋焚毀?有焚毀跟掩埋你搞錯了吧?是掩埋欸焚毀以後才掩埋我們不可能不焚毀他去哪裡焚毀啊? |
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在北竿秦碧哪個焚化廠來焚毀跟委員報告我們根據防監所的SOP我們有焚毀跟掩埋事後我們會把整個影片給委員看好不好請問有沒有放心我們不會不焚毀而掩埋最後一個問題 防疫有沒有來 |
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你們中正機場最讓人詬病的是國人進來回家歸心事件你們搞了一套人馬在那邊是不是排隊排好久好久我跟你講現在正好朱恩出來了這個到底朱恩怎麼出來了他是在台中發現的不是桃園你出來的話海關這邊又有一套防疫人員在那邊苟文來文去的裡面又搞一套全世界哪個國家這樣子搞 |
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然後這個老闆也來找我 哎呀你如果這個不給我們做的話我們這些人要失業了我也從善如流啊 我也不砍你們預算啊不砍你們預算但你服務態度要好 速度要快嘛對不對 你那個檢查呢翻箱倒櫃不是翻箱倒櫃 皮包打開 拉鍊打開你一個一個在那邊弄 共產黨也沒這樣搞啊全世界哪個國家 你舉例說明給我聽聽看 |
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你是署長嗎是 委員好 這個表示真的大家都很嚴格在做執行那這個確實也是它的必要性因為畢竟非洲豬瘟它可以經由我們人為攜帶或我們的腳底等等這些病人會有交叉的感染那至於說我們的服務態度或者是速度方面我想我們都來個不是你這個兩套是哪一國有 |
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日本有嗎 馬來西亞有嗎 香港有嗎全世界已經39個國家都有非洲豬瘟有人這樣搞兩套的防疫嗎我們通報現在台灣是變第40個那在亞洲地區不是我問你署長我們有哪一個國家搞兩套的這樣防疫像我們中正機場這樣即便台灣這麼嚴格我跟委員報告從我們 |
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手提行李的氣質桶裡面去檢測那你松山跟高雄呢松山跟高雄要不要搞都搞幾個沒關係連馬祖也來搞金門也來搞問題很大啦 |
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報告委員那松山跟這個台中的部分是因為腹地的關係但是因為他全部都要經過X光的做處理跟檢疫權的處理但是因為他人流比較多風險比較高所以這個部分其實也是幫我們旅客啦為什麼因為你在這個的首體安檢過假設你被檢出你不用罰可是你到X光機你被檢出那麼他就會裁罰裁罰一次就20萬 |
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這是你講的話啦 沒關係啦你不要在松山機場出事情不要在高雄出事情你不要在這個金門馬祖出事情金門馬祖出事情啊你也搞一套啊 你也搞一套來啊你叫哪一家公司那個也來啊我懷疑這個朱溫哪裡來是海邊來的啦 我跟你講啦所以今天海關署長關鍵署長也在這邊嘛其實我跟你講 他要從海邊來啊 |
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海邊漁船走失的多少啊多少豬肉多少牛肉啊你進往這邊金門馬祖那邊去查幹什麼金門發生豬瘟了嗎金門發生口蹄馬祖豬肉也要管制金門跟馬祖差很遠欸差很遠很遠金門跟馬祖沒有互通你知道嗎金門人到馬祖要從松山機場轉機再過來一點關聯都沒有啊 |
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所以你們的觀念要弄清楚好不好你在防疫署我覺得有狀況這次非洲豬瘟我想問題我直接的判斷應該從海邊出現尤其武吉港那邊是從海邊出現任何的可疑的我們都會追查國人同胞會把牛肉乾豬肉乾帶進來我看機率不高啦你們要搞兩套人馬我看你們什麼時候沒完沒了的嗎 |
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這個單位沒完沒了嗎一直這樣搞下去搞兩套嗎國人在罵死了你知道嗎哪一個國人回國了嗎被你們這樣拿去搞這個報告委員請體諒一下確實基於防疫的立場我不是體諒你啊大家都要體諒你還是要加強提高整個的一個防疫的措施所以這個真的是有必要畢竟是我們背後的產生這麼大那你松山機長也來啊 |
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小港機場也來啊 為什麼不來也都有在做評估 都是國際嘛但是因為是腹地的關係你為什麼馬祖不搞一套 你搞一套給我那問題也很大 也要搞兩套的防疫嘛是不是 你們錢很多嗎 |
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你們去想一想好不好你們自己回國的時候你是走哪個通道啊你走綠色通道嗎你也去排隊假設我們從日本來的話那麼我們就不會走我們走綠線就不會走那裡但是其他39個國家進來的就一定要走首檢區 |
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香港 澳門 日本 馬來西亞 泰國有搞兩套嗎 還有我跟委員報告還有搞兩套嗎 也沒看到豬瘟出現啊從我們氣質區的採樣送檢那個陽性比例達到10%所以這個是我們不得不謹慎對待之啦我跟你講啦 你海邊都注意一下啦海邊啦 我們跟海巡的協助海巡啦 海關啦 你對海邊 海岸啦你多注意一下啦莫名其妙這個死豬都不知道從哪裡跑出來 |
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我們馬祖都跑出來啊是不是難道是中山機場入境呢還是中山機場入境呢然後跑到馬祖去傳染給豬嗎怎麼可能在馬祖的這個驗出是陽性以後我們就整個都公告禁止到11月1號不行他的豬肉跟所有的加工品都不能到台灣跟所有的離島還有馬祖的雞蛋不能過來我們土生的雞蛋要檢查 |
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那你台灣的雞蛋到馬祖區要被檢查 也要檢查喔也要貼我們馬祖養的羊沒有進雞蛋進什麼雞蛋我們父母親在馬祖辛辛苦苦養一些土雞女兒在台灣做月子 土雞帶到台灣去要經過你們防疫人員檢疫我請問這什麼道理啊我們是赤藤公民嗎 還是什麼 |
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13718.465 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].text |
馬祖是不是中華民國的豬餵我現在跟你講雞的啦雞跟鴨跟羊啦我們羊肉帶來我們有養羊啊帶來你們也要說要檢疫啊要防疫啊以前要農會開證明欸農會怎麼開沒有道理嘛 是不是 |
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| transcript.whisperx[504].end |
13751.614 |
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我們的雞拿到台灣來可是報告委員畢竟這個離島包括馬祖來講距離大陸太近了所以那邊的風險相對高所以我們要特別的注意因為從我們的這個資料顯示上來講其實有很多的風險都是來自於中國大陸所以我們更要針對這個邊境尤其是在離島的靠近我在馬祖生活的七十幾年我吃了以後 |
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13752.657 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].end |
13781.599 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].text |
也沒病也沒幹什麼的很像你們這些檢疫人員看到你們就生病了我吃的都沒病啊你是看了一眼就生病了很奇怪有那麼緊張嗎防疫是要做我覺得同意但是你們嚴格到我們自己國人養的雞跟雞生的蛋跟我們國人養的羊也要經過你們防疫檢查才能夠進到台灣來 |
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13783.254 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].end |
13792.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].text |
我們上飛機要檢查我從來沒有為難過你們召委你請坐沒關係你不要急 好吧因為時間的關係 召委已經站起來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].start |
13796.937 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].end |
13814.023 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].text |
你們回去檢討一下我剛才所講的問題如果有檢討的空間我們檢討但也請委員很多鄉親打電話罵我防疫是要全國一致性啦不能有任何的破口謝謝謝謝陳雪生委員的質詢那接下來謝謝署長洪孟凱委員不在鍾嘉斌委員不在 |
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13824.062 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].end |
13851.005 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].text |
登記發言委員出不在場者外其餘均已發言完畢答詢結束委員高金素美黃婕委員所提書面質詢列入紀錄刊登公報書面質詢和未及答覆部分請相關部委一週內以書面答覆並資付資本會討論事項所列議案定期繼續審查本次會議到此結束現在散會 |