| IVOD_ID |
16988 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16988 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-23-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-29T08:34:16+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-29T13:12:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
04:37:44 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/f826c2e4afc302dd021bb07685947ff6a0076778063571320aa126c40303dc270467b61c2fc747935ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請交通部部長、國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司董事長及勞動部就「臺鐵各地車站旅客安全措施檢討、改善員工職場安全及勞動條件」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、邀請交通部部長及交通部鐵道局局長就「全台軌道建設進度」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【10月27日、29日及30日三天一次會】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
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08:34:16 - 13:12:00 |
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好現在交通委員會繼續開會首先先介紹今天的列席人員交通部陳士凱部長交通部公路公共運輸及監理司胡迪奇司長交通部路政及道安司吳東林司長交通部綜合規劃司張垂榮司長 |
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鐵道局楊振軍局長國營台灣鐵路股份有限公司鄭光遠董事長勞動部勞動條件及就業平等司王金榮副司長職業安全衛生署李文靜副署長我們交通部的同仁自己給自己一個掌聲鼓勵大家謝謝好來接下來 |
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本日會議進行台鐵各地車站旅客安全措施檢討改善員工職場安全及勞動條件與全台軌道建設進度之專題報告首先我們先請列席機關報告請交通部陳士凱報告陳士凱部長報告謝謝 |
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主席 各位委員 各位女士先生今天應邀至大院的交通委員會就台鐵各地車站旅客安全措施檢討以及改善員工職場安全及勞動條件 |
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還有就是針對全台軌道建設的進度來進行專案報告首先針對大院委員就交通議題的關切表達誠摯的感謝之意針對近期台鐵基隆站五泉站台北車站治安事件以及豎起台鐵同仁遭受攻擊等等的案件引發國人的關切 |
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車站的安全維護以及員工職場安全的維護目前台鐵公司已經跟鐵路警察召開了安全聯防會議加強旅客月台以及乘車安全的維護並且加強員工維安預防以及事件處理等等的訓練 |
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落實事件處理作業程序並且提供員工協助方案導入與因公社訴訟法律協助等等此外 |
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持續研議員工勞動條件以及待遇福利的提升以加強第一線人員的工作保障另外就軌道運輸具有安全可靠節能減碳 運量大引導空間發展 潛力大以及產業關聯效果強等等的優勢為了建構更完善的便捷的環島鐵路網 |
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依四個九十分鐘環島高效鐵路網政策的目標強化東部地區連外交通功能並且帶動區域均衡發展現在交通部將持續協助各地地方政府的捷運規劃以及推動鐵路鐵路立體化的建設工程以提升都會區軌道運輸佔有率以及縫合因為鐵路所造成的都市阻隔進而帶動TOD |
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大眾運輸導向都市發展 |
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目前鐵路以及捷運設計施工中的計畫有28項規劃中的計畫有31項正審慎推動當中希望能夠使得未來的軌道運輸系統成為大眾運輸的骨幹提供國人優質的交通服務並且帶動都市以及相關產業的發展以下請台鐵公司鄭董事長光遠以及鐵道局 |
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楊局長 鄭軍分別就台鐵各地車站旅客安全措施檢討以及改善員工職場安全及勞動條件還有就是全台軌道建設的進度等等的議題來進行詳細的報告 |
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好 接下來再請交通部鐵道局我們先請楊振軍局長報告好不好 謝謝謝謝鄭董事長 積極認識來 |
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主席 各位委員 各位女士 各位先生 大家早安那今天非常感謝早委安排全台軌道建設進度的這樣的一個專案報告可以聆聽各位委員的指教 請表非常感謝之意那鐵路及捷運建設計畫一向為各個地方積極爭取的這樣的一個公共建設那因為不只帶來交通運輸上的效益 也對於都市發展 |
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還有我們相關的經濟帶動呈現相當的效果那以下請就相關的軌道建設的情況跟各位委員做報告那分就兩個部分第一個部分是鐵路路網基礎建設那先講高鐵計畫高鐵的部分包括宜蘭跟屏東的綜合規劃作業宜蘭高鐵的案子在今年八月二十號已經通過環評 |
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1914.718 |
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第二階段的審查 現在鐵調局正積極整理最後的綜合公約報告 希望爭取在第四季承包行政院來做審議的動作那高鐵延伸屏東岸在今年五月二十二號 奉行政院核定改採高雄方案進行中規作業 |
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1935.241 |
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已經在今年的八月一號啟動環境影響評估的相關作業第二個部分報告台鐵入網的興建以及改善這部分全部都是由鐵道局來辦理目前辦理中的計畫總共有五項其中包括兩項設計施工中一項中規兩項可行性研究設計施工中的案子主要是 |
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跨東地區鐵路雙軌化計畫那這個案子目前正在辦理第一次的修正計畫當中修正的總經費是六百九十一億元修正期程未來將採三階段通車第一階段一百一十六年十二月台東到資本第二階段一百一十八年十二月第三階段一百一十九年十二月就其他的路段來旅行通車目前修正計畫正在行政院審議當中 |
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1961.383 |
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第二個案子是高鐵彰化站到台鐵轉乘接駁計畫 也就是通稱的田中支線計畫 這個案子是由台鐵公司組織的計畫 由鐵道局來代辦施工 全長3.14公里新設新田中車站在高鐵彰化的這個站區裡面 可以串聯未來的高鐵 串聯 |
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1981.539 |
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2009.97 |
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高鐵彰化站跟台鐵田中車站那目前正在辦理第一次修正計畫修正經費是72億元 修正期程是120年12月通車綜合規劃中的案件 海線鐵路雙軌化 目前辦理環境影響及綜合規劃的作業當中可行性研究包括兩個案子 南輝鐵路線型改善跟平井路段的雙軌化 鐵道局已經按照行政院的審查意見修正報告在今年10月再次呈報行政院審議當中 |
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2012.093 |
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2025.266 |
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平南觀光鐵道目前是由鐵道局辦理可行性研究那預計在下個月可以提報交通部做這個可行性研究期末報告的這樣的一個審查第三個部分報告鐵路立體化的相關計畫這個這種 |
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2027.788 |
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鐵路地下化計畫目前大概有14項在設計施工中的案件包括桃園鐵路地下化計畫全長19.75公里那將現有的三座車站地下化並增設五座通行車站總經費1047億元第一次修正計畫將修正到1817億元期程修正到1122年1月第一階段通車 |
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一百二十三年九月第二階段通車那同時配合平正端的南延延長一點二公里長度調整到十九點一五公里目前也由行政院在做修正計畫最後的審議當中第二個計畫是平正臨時站這個是在逃避通車之前新增設的通行車站預計在明年的十月可以完工通車第三個計畫是嘉義市區鐵路地下化計畫 |
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這個計畫目前所有的標案都已經完成發包 都在全力施工當中也在排除相關的文資議題預計118年12月通車第四個計畫是嘉義縣市鐵路高架化延伸計畫也就是俗稱的民雄計畫 |
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那這個計畫我們在今年度完成了臨時軌工程的發包在五月份已經開始做相關的工程施工動作我們的永久軌工作預期在年底之前可以完成發包本計畫預計在一百二十年第一階段通車 |
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第五個計畫是台南市區鐵路地下化計畫這個計畫在去年8月完全排除東門路橋下面的文資保存的這樣的一個議題 全力展開所有的工程進度 在昨天已經將整個隧道段的結構工程完全貫通 接附交續這個鋪軌的這樣的一個動作 我們目前全力以民國以明年底為第一階段通車的這樣的一個目標來全力爭取 全力努力當中 |
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第六個計畫是高雄鐵路地下化那這個計畫到今年底到今年年中我們已經就原來的工作項目全數完成那後續正在辦理修正總經會不變希望把期程延長來增加延伸一些所謂地下連通道的這樣的一個工程 |
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第二個部分報告綜合規劃中的相關案件宜蘭鐵路高架這個案子在十月九號交通部已經召開過審查委員會原則通過那鐵道局正在整理最後的中規報告修正預計在十月底也就是這兩天之內可以呈報部裡面來轉成行政院做審議彰化鐵路高架案目前還在辦理綜合規劃當中今年七月啟動環境影響評估作業 |
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新竹大平台 目前新竹市政府並沒有提送進一步的報告到部裡面台南永康地下化這個案子是行政院 |
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九月十六號核定可能性研究那鐵道局正在辦理綜合規劃的招標準備作業當中預計在明年第一季可以把中規的這個顧問案完成決標第三個部分報告可言中的案件第一個是大台中三線海線的高架化那這個案子分三線海線兩個案子 城報行政院那目前仍由台中市政府 |
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跟這個提出最新的修正報告交通部在做最後的審查當中那甲後線的部分呢 則是鐵道局函請台中市政府來延期這個路線呢就地方鐵路的營運的相關的模式跟全責機關當中第二個案子是斗六鐵路高架化的案子那鐵道局定於十一月二十號 |
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召開研商的會議 邀請台鐵公司跟雲林縣政府就包括路橋的拆除 還有台鐵設施的遷建等等的進一步的議題來做研商以協助這個計畫的進一步的推展第三個案子是新式鐵路立體化那鐵造局定於11月14號辦理現刊 現刊之後整理相關意見 再召開所謂的初審會議吉安鐵路高架 花蓮縣政府在9月10號已經提送可能性研究到部 |
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那布裡面也交給鐵道局在辦理審查當中那其他地方政府研擬中尚未提送的可能性研究包括水上散化仁德新營以及橋頭等五個鐵路地理化的計畫這個這些案子都還在地方政府的相關研究 |
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第四個部分報告都會區的這個捷運建設計畫首先說北北基的部分 北北基總共有十三個案件其中八項在設計施工當中 兩項中規 三項可行性研究設計施工中的機種捷運目前工程經費審議在交通部跟鐵道局的這個程序當中信義縣東延第四次修正計畫交通部審查中萬大綜合樹林縣第一期 |
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三休計畫 目前也是在鐵道局跟交通部相關的程序審查當中第二期的一休計畫行政院已經在前幾天也就是10月21號核定環狀線北環跟南環修正計畫行政院11月20 去年11月27號已經核定環狀線的東環段修正計畫目前由市政府修正相關的報告報告當中 |
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三陰縣新北市政府提送第二次修正計畫 交通部已經含附相關的審查意見市政府修正相關的報告當中 淡海輕軌二期那這個是就第二期入網第一次的這個修正計畫那目前由新北市政府修正他的這個修正計畫報告當中 西中捷運案 |
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西東捷運新北市政府提出第一次修正計畫那目前是要修正經費到621億元目前由鐵道局來進行審查當中中規中的作業有兩岸明細縣 明細縣目前新北市政府提出來的報告由鐵道局在進行審查作業當中 |
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五太案 五太輕軌 新北市政府刻意我們十月二號的初審會議已經進入初審會議那就初審會議的相關意見包括經營比高速公路的閘道落墩還有經費增加的幅度等等這些議題由新北市政府修正報告再送回來之後我們再繼續 繼續後續的審查 |
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可行性研究當中的案件有三件包括巴黎輕軌目前是新北市政府在十月十六號修正後提送報告那由本部在進行審查太阪輕軌新北市政府在十月十三號提送修正後的報告目前鐵道局正在審視他報告的相關內容那再提供給相關機關來做後續的審查 |
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深坑輕軌那新北市城我人在修正後續的報告當中第二個部分是報告桃園的部分桃園的部分總共有7項計畫其中6項已經是在設計施工中的案件一項可靈性研究設計施工中的包括機場捷運有兩岸延伸中立這是由鐵道局辦理那目前的期程是到118年那機場捷運S4站 S4站是在T3航廈 |
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的這個配合T3航廈啟用的一個增設的車站那目前已經排除這個原來的這個地下積水的問題全力施展相關的工程當中我們以配合T3航廈的啟用116年年底為通車啟用的這樣的一個目標在做努力綠線的部分呢桃園市政府提出修正計畫現在有鐵道局審查當中 |
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綠線延伸中綠 那目前是由桃園市政府辦理設計作業中線也是由桃園市政府辦理設計作業 山陰延伸八德是8月1號行政院核定桃園市政府辦理設計作業當中 可行經研究綠線延伸大溪 |
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桃園市政府刻意交通部112年2月的審查委員會的意見在修正相關的報告新竹輕軌目前交通部也就是鐵道局已經整合了新竹市跟新竹縣的紅線跟藍線那最終的這個共識是由新竹市政府來擔任主責機關提報計畫那他們目前正在辦理兩個案子的整合作業 |
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那後續是他們提出來報告之後我們會再給予審查上的協助 第四個部分報告台中都會區的捷運 台中都會區捷運總共有五項計畫 一項設計當中 一項中規 三項可行性研究 藍線已經進入設計那核心系統的部分已經完成發包 目前其他部分在做設計施工當中 |
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那中規的案件是綠線延伸 也就是北段延伸大坑南段延伸彰化的這個案子 目前由臺灣市政府辦理中規的報告當中尚未提送 可行性研究藍線延伸橘線屯區環狀線那其中 |
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南線延伸跟局線的部分都已經提報交通部那我們已經轉成行政院辦理促參的相關審查 屯區環狀線則由臺中市政府修正相關的報告當中嘉義捷運 台中市嘉義市執行中聯計畫共一項 辦理可能性研究中那其中是南線的部分交通部在今年一月有含附審查意見 現在是嘉義市政府辦理修正 |
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台中 台南都會區捷運總共有五項計畫一項設計 四項可能性研究當中 第一期藍線的部分行政院在十月二十一號也就是一個禮拜前核定中規報告 目前由市政府辦理後續的設計作業以及後續的發包作業 |
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那可行性研究包括藍線延伸 綠線 紅線 深綠線其中這個深綠線的部分是由鐵道局在進行審查其他的三個路線都能由台南市政府在進行報告的修正或者是尚未提送的這樣的一個狀態那高屏都會區的捷運 |
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總共有六項 設計施工中的岡山路竹延伸線黃線小港林園線環狀輕軌等等其中有涉及到修正計畫的部分都已經獲行這面核定環狀輕軌的部分還帶這個後續的審查這個部分的修正計畫還沒有核定那可行性研究中的案子是子線那這個部分這個今年八月高雄市政府有提送修正後的報告我們已經在昨天召開初審會議 |
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那請高雄市政府後續修正之後再進行後續的審查程序林源東港林邊縣這個是由屏東縣政府主辦的案件那我們在十月二十二號有召開議題的演唱會主要是這個案子有行經實話的 |
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這樣的一個園區所以有相關的安全議題的討論那後續由屏東縣政府辦理修正其他各地方政府研擬中尚未提送的可能性研究計畫包括西洋捷運二階段桃園清縣 桃園菊縣台中崇德豐原縣彰化鹿港縣台南黃縣高雄延伸前鎮漁港等七項計畫 |
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節雨 軌道運輸確實具有快速大量變節特別是在低碳排放還有促進都市跟區域發展等的相關優勢但是由於他的建設經費較高所需要的期程也相對比較長所以需要審慎的評估 |
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那鐵道局後續會在交通部跟行政院的指導底下持續來推動中央級地方的各項軌道建設啟示軌道系統成為大眾運輸的主幹提供民眾優質的交通運輸服務之外同時帶動都市以及相關產業的發展 以上報告請請各位委員指教 謝謝好 謝謝楊局長那接下來再請台鐵公司鄭光源董事長報告 |
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主席各位委員各位女士先生大家早安今天應邀到貴委員會就台鐵各地車站旅客安全措施檢討改善員工職場安全及勞動條件等三大項進行報告請說明如後 敬請各位委員指教首先報告的是 |
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旅客安全措施方面在旅車站的公共安全方面我們已經加強保全與這個鐵井的巡邏建立鐵井保全跟車站三層聯訪的機制每30分鐘來巡查一次特別針對車站裡面的廁所大廳月台等重點區域加強所望 |
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同時我們也成立了關懷小組就是主動的協助有異常行為或者需要幫助的旅客並且與地方社會局來合作協助安置無家者在月台後車安全方面我們在月台上 |
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畫色黃色的警戒線設置列車進站的警示燈並透過廣播人員的引導保全或者志工那麼以吹哨或者口頭提醒的方式來提醒旅客來注意月台上的安全此外在車站跟列車上也持續透過我們的這個跑馬燈的宣導 |
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安全後車的各項注意事項在乘車安全方面車廂內設有安全警語以及緊急按鈕通報系統 |
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旅客上下車的時候也有語音的提醒注意車廂跟月台間的間隙同時我們嚴格禁止危險物品上車並與鐵警局合作進行跨峽護車的勤務 |
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那在防患行動電源自然方面我們除了加強宣導使用合格的產品外也已完成了滅火疏散演練來提升我們現場人員的應變能力接下來要跟各位委員報告的是員工職場安全在維護 |
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列車安全方面 我們已經以鐵警局協調提高見警率 加強跨峽護車的資源同時也針對車長辦理危機處理及防衛技巧等回訊的課程同時我們也透過海報 官網及社群平台加強防暴跟安全的宣導 |
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在維護戰區的安全方面公司已經辦理維安教育的訓練加強監視設備並且導入員工協助方案法律的資源及實災輔導機制另外我們也透過成立LINE群組讓車站 |
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以地方警力能夠及時通報快速來反應確保在第一時間能夠掌握狀況最後要跟各位委員報告的是在員工福利以勞動條件 |
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在提升待遇方面台鐵公司自114年起我們調薪3%並且持續發放流財津貼同時我們也針對搶修獎金危險加急與輸印獎勵等項目進行調整讓付出的努力能夠獲得合理的回饋 |
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另外 夜點費主管加急的調升方案已經董事會審議通過目前正照依照法定的程序來呈合中在福利優化方面員工可以持識別證可以不站位的搭乘各級列車同時也提供員工跟眷屬 |
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彈性購票優惠在營造友善職場方面我們推動彈性工時的制度以優於勞基法的規定的價別制度讓員工能夠兼顧工作與生活提供旅客安全 |
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來乘車安心的乘車的體驗以保障員工的工作安全一直是我們台鐵公司努力的目標未來我們將持續精進各項作為以提升整體的服務品質與職場環境以上報告敬請各位會委員會議指導謝謝 |
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好 謝謝鄭董事長好 接下來開始進行詢答先宣告以下事項一 詢答時間出席委員6加2分鐘列席委員4分鐘二 委員發言登記於10點30分截止三 各委員如有臨時提案請於10點鐘前提出以便議事人員會診四 暫定10點30分休息5分鐘 |
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我們現在請登記第一位廖先祥委員發言謝謝主席 麻煩邀請我們陳部長部長請 |
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部長早安 這個我們全臺灣的捷運的建設那已經經過行政院核定要動工的要興建的在115年度的部分這個地方政府都有哀嚎就是補助大砍那我想確認一下就是我們每年可能在114今年114年的時候都會各地方政府都會提交要申請115年度的預算到我們交通部來我想先 |
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確認一下114我們全臺灣所有的縣市政府申請的總額度是多少114年就是114年送115的就是送明年他們要申請多少的總額114年是不是385億 |
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就是明年啦 就是明年他們地方政府總統跟我們交通部申請你說明年啦 他們申請的部分是399億399億全部地方政府送的是399億嘛明年的需求是399億那我們實際上我們交通部核定多少我們今年核定90億 |
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所以就是399大概400億然後就合100億那有沒有哪一個地方政府他是沒有依照因為我們在行政院核定的時候也大概都會有一個分期分年度的一個進度然後他可能再依照實際的工進來申請那有沒有地方政府他的提出的需求可能是我們認為 |
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他有福報的一個情況或者說超過他的需求然後超過他的比例的這樣的情況實際上大家申請的數額都會比較高一點但是我們核實之後的數額會相對低一點我舉個例子啦例如說以台中市來說台中市應該中央跟地方的比例的分配是五五對四五那他本來寫出來的明年的需求是六十幾億 |
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理論上應該是地方編四十幾億中央的需求是二十幾億但是他給我們的數據剛好是相反他希望中央補他四十幾億這是第一點那第二點明年實際上他現在正在進行的是只有設計所以實際上花不了那個六十幾億所以我們核實下來我們核實下來我們991應該那我們核實下來那依照分攤比例的話那我們大概明年應該要補助地方政府多少錢 |
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如果核實來算的話核實來算大概就是我們現在所編的這個預算大概90億 |
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那但是我們還是希望多一點讓地方有更多的餘裕所以你說地方政府福報了300億給我們交通部我不會說他是福報概念是這樣子不會不會不會只是說工程在進行的當中有一些經費例如說我剛剛在舉的例子就是台中台中實際上他明年要付的叫做預付款那實際的工程的進行不需要拿幾十億的預付款去給廠商但是他來申請就是這樣申請所以我會希望說他這個部分先不要進行好那我確認一下就是我們 |
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預付款也是長期以來的一個政策不然沒有人要來標明沒關係這部分不討論啦這個我想確認一下那所以說因為我們交通部的預算其實也不是我們交通部自己就決定了嘛對不對還是要報行政院嘛我想確認一下那補助地方的這個捷運的地方送了300過來嘛那你說我們最後合了100399那我們合了100嘛那我們實際上報給行政院的是多少 |
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我們就是報399你們就報399這樣說399是我們初步先有抓過所以才報去給行政院所以地方政府報399給我們交通部那我們交通部也報了399給行政院應該是他們報來的超過399超過399我們核實之後399我們希望能夠爭取399但是實際上送到行政院我們只有90我們就討論一個客觀的統計數據那剛剛講地方政府總共送多少你們有計算嗎 |
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你們有那邊有有表格嗎沒關係我們同仁整理一下好不好我們繼續啊就是說地方政府送了一筆金額那這個金額一定超過399那實際上後來我們這個核實了之後可能不需要這麼多那我們交通部報了399給行政院那最後行政院最後就合了99對就是這樣子吧90億嘛就90億嘛 |
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好那好沒關係這個合理九十一我想也不是你們交通部的一個責任應該是說行政院有去做一個刪減我願有投災後組我們釐清一下這個背景的情況那另外想請問一下那因為我們合訂了之後這個地方政府都是依照我們行政院的合訂來送計劃那現在我們行政院刪了補助那請問我們行政院有去找地方政府去調整過這個或者說提修正計劃嗎 |
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應該行政院不會找地方政府跟地方政府溝通或者是要求我們交通部找地方政府來提修正計畫照理我認知的程序應該是說如果說我們沒有要依照核定的計畫做補助的話我們應該要先跟地方政府協商修正計畫然後再依照協商過後的計畫來調整補助的額度 |
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但是現在的情況是不是跳過了這個程序然後而是行政院就直接說預算不夠沒關係預算不夠行政院有行政院的說法但是他是不是跳過了這個程序而直接的刪減了然後地方政府的補助我們對於地方政府的補助目前的比例還沒有調整未來我自己的觀察如果財化法這樣走下去的話未來我們勢必要調整但現在我們還沒有決定要怎麼調整因為目前財化法還在 |
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浮動的狀況但明年部分你們還沒有調整的時候就先動了沒有把這個程序走完但是我所了解的應該各個地方政府的需求並沒有因為這個調整而造成施工上面有去拖延到進度不會拖延其實這個一年的改變進度不會太拖延但是如果長久改變可能就會 |
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不可能說少給錢進入國會變這個東西不可能的嘛明年度其實不會啦我們有跟地方政府對反正你明年還有後年嘛這東西總是要提早討論嘛好啦你中央就算真的要砍地方你說因為地方拿了更多的錢地方要負擔更多我覺得這個社會討論社會有公平地方要不要負擔更多這個東西可以討論但是你怎麼行政院怎麼可以在還沒有修正計畫的時候 |
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而去調整了地方政府的比例我認為這個在程序上面有點過於便宜啦那對地方政府是一個比較不公平的一個情況啦那我確認一下我們行政院是針對每一筆的我們整個大筆的經費交通部報上去大筆的去調整還是說整個交通部的框架他直接跟你說我們可能明年交通部的預算要拿掉多少 |
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是哪一種概念我們是有分項題上分項題分項題所以它分項減對 應該是但是我們整體的概念我們報了2200億因為我們明年跟後年跟大後年大概是我們公共建設的高峰期對 我們報2200我們報2200的公共預算的那個公建計畫的部分那目前行政院核給我們是1100大概只有一半 |
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所以說除了軌道建設300億我們還大概還有700建設其實都700左右那想確認一下這個我們被扣了700我們交通部有沒有哪個單位的預算或者是特定的項目補助是增加的增加的 |
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我看大部分是減少我們明年是不是有補助台鐵一筆這個營運補貼那個跟委員報告我們在軌道的部分是比過去是增加那為什麼是增加因為我說明年後年大後年是我們公共建設的高峰期所以預算整體來看軌道是有比去年更多 |
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有比前一年更多比今年更多但實際上我們的需求還沒有還沒有滿足而以軌道來講的話我們的需求是700億但實際上合下來445億好沒關係這個我就希望啦這個軌道建設其實都是大家非常關注他的公益性也是非常的足夠的那就希望說我們交通部沒關係你們有 |
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依照你們的責任報上去那砍的是行政院那我也不會怪到你們身上那這是行政院要去跟地方政府要跟市民大眾去交代的啦那也希望說那我們交通部還是要依照我們的程序該要怎樣的程序才能去動地方政府的補助款也希望說交通部能夠跟行政院來做一個說明怎樣才是依法行政好不好最後一點一分鐘我想確認一下我們現在鐵道法的修法進度就是這個平息天登這個 |
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為了平行前程或者是特定觀光支線的一個觀光問題這個在進行中也會有一個圓滿的解決目前在哪邊 之前鐵道局送到交通部了嘛交通部目前是 法制作業當中現在法制作業 這個確定會這麼做確定會改 讓大家未來有一個時間區域可以在那邊拍照因為之前我們上個會期最後也是有決議嘛只是說沒關係決議歸決議啦那只要你們有認證在進行我們都是 |
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我們現在就進入法制作業啦法制作業就是確定定案了然後把法制作業流程走完大概就是那你可不可以簡單抓一個時間你們至少你們哪時候可以送到行政院嘛因為鐵道局要送到交通部交通部還要送到行政院後面的事情就不歸你們了嘛對不對那至少哪時候我們交通部抓個時間送到 |
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行政院因為這個地方的文化經濟尤其是國際觀光現在已經這個時間我回去再對我們要預告預告大概是兩個月嘛預告還有兩個月但是定案了啦已經定案了還要再走預告預告完之後整個法制作業審查的程義的那個程序走完大概三個月左右的時間因為這個地方的文化觀光的形塑不容易那現在已經 |
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沒有辦法去做這樣子的一個在鐵道上面放天燈的一個行為了那現在如果說外國的觀光客已經知道這件事情你以後就算再開放如果你這個空窗期太久了你以後你要重新再去推銷要再去喚起大家對這件事情的一個嚮往或者重視相對起來你要花費更多的一個成本那既然我們行政作業能夠快的部分那就再繼續拜託我們部長好 拜託我們同仁好 謝謝好 沒問題 謝謝委員 |
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好 我們繼續請洪孟愷召委發言好 麻煩請陳士凱部長 然後鄭董事長跟楊局長 |
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部長好部長我想今天主要兩個議題第一個議題就是所謂這個台鐵各地車站的旅客安全的一個檢討的部分那我看到報告其實開宗明義雖然講是講各地車站旅客安全但實際上還是focus在台北車站當然台北車站的運量是最大而且日前才發生一個這個所謂的這個 |
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社會事件也因此我們台北車站當然重要可是全台的車站也一樣重要我想這部長你也同意我想先請教一下在台鐵車站裡面不管是現在要建立所謂的鐵警保全車站三層通報機制但是各主要車站也擬辦理換言之除了台北車站以外其他車站特等站 一等站有所謂的保全嗎是不是請董事長好 |
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這個跟委員報告目前我們有保全的地方就是除了台北車站以外還有我們那個高雄車站還有另外就是我們有兩個比較小的車站是歸來跟寧若這兩個 |
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那歸來跟寧若呢它最因為是無人車站那我們是在下午的時候那麼申請這個保全兩個車站合請一個保全幫忙在巡邏全台灣有多少車站我們242個車站242個車站你現在告訴我只有台北車站跟高雄車站兩個地方有保全是的那其他地方 |
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你說要建立一個鐵井保全車站三層通報巡檢制度但實際上其他車站是沒有保全的我跟委員報告了列車上有沒有保全列車上目前沒有也沒有保全我們是用鐵井在巡邏 |
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本席有看到說公司從過去一直我們也強調是說台鐵一直發生所謂的旅客攻擊事件旅客攻擊員工事件也因此除了說這一些閉路器等等相關然後提高見景率其實很重要的是如果說有保全能力的話未來有這樣發生的一個治安狀況可以第一時間馬上請保全來去排除 |
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那半年過去有任何進度嗎台鐵公司有要求說各車站要自行提報需求但是如果說沒有一個通盤的安全需求政策的話那各車站提報了之後然後呢又放著今天是台北車站發生了治安問題大家很重視那如果說改天有任何一個車站發生治安問題的話我們又要再檢討一遍嘛 |
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跟委員報告是這樣我們針對這個旅客比較眾多的這個大的站譬如說我們台北還有高雄跟台中那這個部分我們有深入的去了解 |
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那目前我們看來比較有需要的就是台北站我們現在是先這樣做那台北站我們是用這種所謂的聯訪的方式在運作那我們是認為說這個運作起來到目前的情況相當的不錯那如果說未來其他的站有這樣的一個需要的話我們會再考慮到這樣那因為這也考慮到我們的一些人員的成本的問題董事長 |
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當然人員成本問題 現在請榮許本席提醒今年初是不是我們針對台北站也把所謂的台北捷運的部分的保全也給拆撤掉捷運啊對 就捷運那一個車站那部分就台北站其實在今年我們也收到有這個工會這邊反映就是說針對 |
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台北車站的部分保全也有縮減人力捷運應該是屬於北捷那邊會去處理我說往捷運那個方向的啦沒有我們你的那個保全的車站保全的人力也有調整啊也有減少啊月台上的月台上的這個保全人力也有減少不是嗎沒有耶 |
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當然是當時因為臨時去支援的那現在後來不需要的話我們再撤回 |
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我跟委員報告 兩個方面一方面是您剛剛所關心的這個議題人力的調整他們已經補回去了原本可能是把他調去別的地方那現在已經補回來這第一點那第二點台鐵公司他的車站大部分都是跟鐵路警察來合作來維持這個治安那鐵路警察他的覆蓋率其實就蠻廣大概有多少車站你們曉得嗎 |
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副總校長他的覆蓋率其實是蠻多的因為今天內政部鐵路警察沒有過來但是如果說你要問鐵路警察的話鐵路警察一定會跟你講說他的人員吃緊對啦他們也希望所以現在羊毛出在羊身上我認為還是一樣就是說過去大家認為是台鐵的安全能夠有在提升台鐵的服務品質有在提升其實很重要一個部分就是各失其職嘛 |
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就是說不要說讓發生什麼樣的安全問題的時候第一時間是由列車長是由員工這邊來做處理也因此如果說有安全疑慮的部分保全能夠替代當然可以請保全來做處理那之前我也提過就是說你除了台北站高雄站以外其他的車站那以及台北站到目前為止保全能力是否足夠這一點其實我相信台鐵的員工也都會有很多的意見 |
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董事長是不是針對這部分再來去做一個了解或說能夠再去做一個檢視的部分該增加其實我們還是一樣強調你後面我本席最近也看到光台北車站上面近期又要再招標新的商業這個商場要再招標嘛而且你講是說創新高過去這幾年商場的營運模式營業額收入非常的高 |
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那總不能說只一味的都是由商場賺錢但是對於我們最基本的服務項目的部分沒有辦法有一個提升嗎對於委員的這個提醒我們再來研究看看是不是有精進的空間 |
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好那另外我再請教一下夜點費剛剛報告事項裡面已經提到了董事會已經審議通過了是的那現在卡在哪邊現在就是我們按照程序就是說我們要在第一個報交通部嘛交通部的這個來那部長請教一下有沒有收到台鐵的這一個 |
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我們是剛剛昨天因為我們的程序就是說董事會的董事會的議事錄要經過確認我們為了加速我們確認的同時我們就支會交通部來提升所以應該交通部現在在 |
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我們會用最快的速度來核備這件事情所以會支持嗎當時我其實有跟董事長討論過這個案子那我們也是非常的支持那也感謝台鐵公司的董事會有通過這個案子確實因為畢竟現在的夜點費台鐵是只有120元但對比一般的大眾運輸 |
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包括說高鐵是475元包括說捷運450元所以我們現在也沒有比高鐵也沒有比捷運多我們提高到最高的話我們可以到400元是400元所以說如果是這樣的話該合理的補貼應該有補貼部長你可以同意這個支持完全支持好那我們就看預計什麼時候最快可以發送 |
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我們希望說明年的1月1號這個夜點費我們可以來發放好最後來請教一下楊局長楊局長本期有看到你這全台軌道建設這也是為什麼我特別邀請鐵道局這邊來做一個整理就是我相信很多的民意代表在各縣市也都有軌道建設來進行也因此我們希望說鐵道局能夠有一個通盤的一個規劃跟掌握那其中有一個部分就是本期 |
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選區裡面有很多條軌道建設但其中有一條已經被退了11次了審查 被審查了11次2020年7月就已經送進來4年9個月了你知道是哪一條嗎太阪輕軌嘛11次啊在高度菜都差太多了吧巴黎嗎巴黎是不是巴黎巴黎輕軌巴黎輕軌淡海輕軌二期淡海輕軌 抱歉抱歉 |
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2020年9月那時候太阪輕軌還不知道在哪裡那時候武泰輕軌才做可行性評估巴黎輕軌現在也還在可行性評估中但是淡海輕軌二期尤其部長在這邊每一次去那邊都會看到我們淡江大橋但是跟淡江大橋相輝映並且完善整個淡水的交通三支鍵淡北道路現在已經在做了淡江大橋明年5月可以通車 |
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但海清鬼二旗把它完善最后一里路只有六个暂停但是到目前为止送神了11次还没有过 |
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局長 能不能再加油一下問題在哪邊因為之前就是靠近河岸的這個預留的這個道路的寬度是7公尺那因為地方有相關的反應認為說這個7公尺對他們的商家營運來說是造成地方之前就已經討論過而且也有討論這樣的議題我看到新北市捷運局也一家一家商家的來去做溝通跟說明 |
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那到目前為止能夠退縮也退縮是 |
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他們有再次調整到九點五公尺 是 那這個案子最近有送進來我想我們會來做後續的協助 最近送進來也是七月的事情對 跟委員報告 所以已經又過了三個月 因為他們前面其實這些那十幾次大部分都是因為地方還有意見還有一些陳情的意見所以大家一直在在討論當中那現在終於新北市政府有新的案子了退縮九點五公尺的部分已經做調整我想地方的陳情應該就會少 那後續的部分我們就來加速 好 |
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所以真的是要拜託部長我今天特別點出來就是我們不要真的不要再拖了也不要再拖我真的很怕是到最後你會變成是明年五月的時候淡江大橋通車的時候才一起來能快不要慢 |
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真的地方沒有辦法這樣子持續拖尤其是現在淡江大橋我們也看到快落成快通車淡北道路在進行中結果應該是要後發先至的淡海輕軌淡海輕軌一起南海線綠三線其實也都已經在運行了但是就差最後一路六個站體把它完善變成是一個circle就可以發揮大眾運輸最大的運量化 |
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能夠請局長這邊現在這個這個案子在哪裡鐵道局還是交通部我們是有沒有沒有我們最近有收到新北市政府送進來的東西我們在做簽報當中是那請也讓北齊知道一下進度剛剛部長已經講能快就不要慢而且是已經在設計階段了最後一里路了好不好謝謝 |
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好 謝謝 接下來再請第三位林國成委員質詢 |
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好謝謝昭偉請我們交通部陳部長陳部長請台鐵公司鄭董事長來鄭董事長請委員好來部長董事長我想本席像在交通委員會我任何事情是對事不對人但是 |
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我們在台鐵公司改革的過程當中絕對不能走回頭路部長你同意嗎非常同意董事長你同意嗎同意好微裁適用是基本的觀念 |
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適材適用也是改革的一部分但是如果變成我們台鐵的人士是酬庸式的我跟你講 董事長改革就沒有進步我今天會執行 |
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是因為我手頭檢舉的案件一大堆因為我一向支持部長為什麼 年輕人對於交通業務的改革我都只有贊成跟支持的態度那私底下董事長我也贊同你把台鐵能夠慢慢改 改成像 |
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高鐵這樣那種水準層次雖然我們票價低但是整個改革過程當中是有必要的所以一開始我也是非常支持可是我就感覺到很奇怪現在我們的人事啊是在紛張是不是是在酬庸是不是所以我對事不對人 |
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所以我要請教董事長還有我們部長請問我們台鐵董那個董監事通過的處長以上要不要部長何備要不要處長以上不用啊就是副總以上吧或者董 |
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只有到副总好副总好那这个事情当然跟部长但是部长你要去了解是我一向纸张我反对政治分张我要请教一下来下一张那个好不对好 |
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我要提供給部長你看看中油公司 台電公司 台水公司或台灣高鐵 中國郵政中華郵政等等這些的財務人員都既有專長 |
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可是我們台鐵我們的資產初步有八千億塊一兆以上那我們的編列預算也幾百億我請問一下我們現在回來再回來好我要請教你現在的管財務的財務處長黃偉霖先生他是不是財務的專業 |
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我跟 |
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報告那個專委他現在是公司裡面是專門委員那現在我來了以後我是特別請他當我的秘書室的這個秘書也是特別助理那在公司裡面他是有兼任他負責的專委他督導的單位就是主要公共事務方面因為我們借重他跟媒體溝通的這個能力那同時因為公司在這個 |
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好了 董事長我知道我也不要打斷你但是我問你 |
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專業的問題嘛他現在就是兼任財務處長嘛對不對他就是用媒體公關用特殊情形而進來的嘛誰推薦的我也不要講但是我可以保證他是有關係所以我才訂政治分贓嘛所以你對他也不敢嘛但是你不要忘囉這裡面員工啊指正立立 |
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檢舉的東西 他今天是為了公司好主管財務的處長 竟然不懂財務 |
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我常講過一句話不會做事無所謂但是要會做人不要一味的覺得我有關係你拿我沒辦法這是基層員工你要改革過程當中要先安內再攘外嘛你裡面的員工對這些都不服氣請問董事長你怎麼改革請問部長這怎麼可以去發揮他們的功能 |
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報告委員幾個部分第一台鐵公司他公司化就是說希望能夠引進非過去所謂公務體系上來的那一種人才所以現在很多的從業人員台鐵公司也有經過董事會去同意到專委可以直接請社會上面的專業的人員進來我同意有走正常的程序進來我覺得這個部分就沒什麼問題部長第二個部分是說他現在這位專委 |
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他雖然是兼任董事長的秘書那同時也是專門委員應該有兼財務處長但是他是督導但是他的薪水也沒有增加他是一份薪水但是做很多的工作大概是這個狀況對啦 他就是能力很強嘛但是專業不足嘛我同意嘛他是依照公關媒體 |
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進來的嘛這個就是我們不對題進來你去做公關你要做公關處長你要去做媒體處長我都贊成嘛因為他進來的專業是這樣可是現在門外漢管我們台鐵的財務請問一下 員工都不服氣嘛問題在這裡嘛 怎麼改革 |
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他專門委員主要的重點就是在督導公關媒體這一塊可是他就是董事長你如果要這樣講我會繼續追下去喔我已經講過我對事不對人人怎麼樣產生當然你們是依法可是我可以跟你講這裡面的辦法我看得很清楚他是用媒體公關的特殊人員進來他怎麼會來管財務呢 |
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委員跟委員報告現在台鐵剛剛公司化有些單位是過去沒有的例如說您所關心的財務處過去沒有財務處這樣子的單位那現在新成立所以台鐵公司也需要漸漸的補齊這方面的人才 過去台鐵公司並沒有財務方面的人才 以前還是有財務單位啦我跟你講你不要讓我 有會計處不是財務處是 那還不是一樣 |
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我跟您講啦 |
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我不是對黃偉軍先生有意見我是對體制有意見本來就是這樣嘛我對他進來台鐵我沒有意見 |
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那個黃偉晶先生也在嘛你聽著我對你沒有意見但是對制度有意見為什麼因為你台鐵要改革怎麼會放不對的人在管不對的事情那當然就委員的指教我們趕快找專業的人才進來財務處未來整個財務處都盡量是財務專業我跟你講董事長你下情不能上打我跟你講所有員工所有職工為了這些事情 |
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都非常非常對領導階層對台鐵非常不滿為什麼那如果有關係就沒有關係那以後大家都靠關係啊說實在那這樣的話台鐵就沒有辦法改革 |
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我同意任何人去推薦人才進來但是要擺對的位置這才是一個專業才是一個改革我同意所有有專業的都來投入台鐵但是不能因人而異如果是這樣就是政治紛張那如果是這樣台鐵又是酬庸永遠一輩子沒有辦法去改革這一點我給董事長特別一個建議我也希望部長 |
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要去注意這些 最後我要跟主席借一分鐘來 接下來董事長 來我知道我們這個是委辦的我們那個海峰號我也去看過了海峰號本來外表給人家看起來是很不錯的可是 |
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董事長為什麼這種高級烤爐再封抹布這個事來你看一下這是人家造出來的這也是員工提出來的 |
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報告委員 這個確實是不應該啦我們已經要求這個承商要馬上改進不是 我也知道這個是承商但是這個就是我們管理階層鬆動我跟你講他包我們的東西我們也要監督啊欸 食安有問題這不是開玩笑的欸票是我們賣的但是是我們委外但是你委外給我對食安的問題當兒戲欸 是砸掉我台鐵的很難得 |
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我們海豐號每一個人去回來都很滿意可是他沒有看到這一幕看到這一幕他就根本無法吃喝我跟你講所以董事長我要拜託這件事情要約束我們的城堡散傷 |
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食安的問題 課不容緩食安的問題 零容忍所以這些東西不要說人家沒有看到就是乾淨這樣對我們自己是不好的董事長 這個你同意嗎同意 零容忍這件事情確實也是這樣我們會嚴格的要求這個陳商好 我也希望部長啊嚴公對於這件事情黃先生這件事情對的人放不對的位置 |
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員工是敢怒不敢言我要拜託部長我要拜託董事長適度的技巧性一定要息怒我認為人事我說實在我們肯定黃先生有專長但是要擺對的位置不要說因為他是有關係他就沒有關係這樣不好員工那麼多不是只有一個黃先生這個我特別提醒盡快課不容緩趕快去處理好不好好 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝林國昌委員 謝謝 請回好 接下來再請李昆哲委員 李昆哲召委發言謝謝洪孟愷召委 請一下陳世凱部長 鄭光元董事長 楊振軍局長部長 董事長 局長請 |
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部長好 有關於台鐵公司的話他最重要的目標當然是要提升旅客的安全加強他相關的服務的效率讓台鐵能夠永續的經營當然員工的權益也必須獲得實質的保障跟提升 |
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我們看到勞基法當然它一個很重要的精神當然是保障勞工的一個最低的一個權益的保障而且是要平衡相關的勞僱關係來作為一個公司能夠公平的運作一個重要的基礎但是我們看到台鐵公司對於員工的照顧我認為是還是不足是 |
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那之前有跟部長提到過相關的公司化之後那員工的薪資或者是津貼或者是福利或者是權益必須要有具體的政策來讓員工加強對公司化之後的信心那部長當時也有答應那我來請教一下我們相關的規劃是什麼 |
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報告委員這一年來我們去年就比照軍公教的這個調薪調三趴 今年那另外針對春節疏運的這個獎金我們一天一千五百塊那四天就最高可以到六千那另外針對搶修的部分我們就是一律發給一千 調整之後按照天數可以到達六千那另外危險加急的部分我們有增加一千二到三千不等那另外 |
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針對區域加擠也就是比較偏鄉例如說花東地區我們的區域加擠也有到630然後到3090塊不等所以其實我們各項都有盡量在努力逐步的來提升如果我們現在票價也調整然後相關的營運效率有出來的話也必須要讓員工來共享相關的這樣的一個成長的生活 董事長在這個董事會議還有通過了更好的一些方案包含夜點費我是不是請董事長來來 董事長說明一下 |
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這個在我們這個夜點費因為員工最考慮的那以前在8年前訂的大概是120那我們這一次在我們交通部的大力的支持下我們也跟工會這邊完成一個協議那就現在的這個案子已經通過了我們的這個董事會的審議所以120調到最高可以到400另外還有案子就是說我們的主管加急那主管加急是我們對於這個基層的 |
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二三級站的這個站長的部分我們大概都加以上的我們加原來的這個百分之五十以上的職能加息那這兩個案子我們都現在都是已經送到在今天應該昨天送出去會到這個我們交通局謝謝部長跟董事長對於台鐵 |
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勞工的相關的薪資權益津貼有具體的一個作為但是我剛才提到說勞基法它是保障勞工最低的一個條件而且是平衡勞僱關係也能夠促進公司的一個公平的運作我要提醒部長跟董事長勞動部有一個違反勞動法令的相關事業單位的一個查詢系統那 |
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台鐵公司這兩年的成績實在是不好看那近兩年違反勞動基準法總共有五件那這兩年違反就業服務法中高齡者及高齡者就業促進法以及職安法總共有七件 |
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那相關的類型不管是勞基法的工資給付與加班費這個有三件衛醫法給予勞工特休假一件職災補償一件那相關的違反職安法相關的法令不管是工作現場安全管理失當或者是承攬與分包管理疏失以及機械設備的防護不足那這些其實就 |
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顯示出兩個問題我要提醒部長跟董事長第一個就是說台鐵公司的這個管理它管理制度老化當然它還是沿襲過去公務機關的這種慣性那也顯示新式的企業管理的思維並沒有導入這個台鐵公司的企業文化裡面 |
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另外就是我們相關的監督跟集合不足我們這種即時能夠顯示違法行為公司沒有辦法即刻的查核沒有辦法即刻的發現這是一個問題來部長先請董事長說明一下 |
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我想謝謝這個委員的這個指教確實這一兩年來我們在這一部分的做是非常的不到位那我們也針對這個問題我們分成就是兩個部分我們按照這個勞基法的這個要求一定要確實做到我們在這兩年 |
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台鐵公司就五件了那這兩年高鐵公司沒有相關勞基法違法的案件那違反職安法相關的法令這兩年台鐵公司有七件那高鐵公司也有三件但是相關的大家對於高鐵公司保障勞工基本權益的做法大家比較有信心台鐵這個部分必須要加強要做到您違法的這樣的一個目標高鐵有做到勞基法的部分 |
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那台鐵公司必須要加油董事長那你簡單說明一下我們會努力在執行方面在法令要求基層的主管要落實以外我們也要加強我們的集合制度好 |
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那相關的有關於月初台北火車站發生性侵的這樣的一個事件造成社會的嘩然跟憤怒這也顯示我們相關車站對於婦女以及弱勢族群的這個保護這個安全網是嚴重的有問題當然台北公司跟鐵警局也有提出事項的加強台北車站 |
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安全防護的這些措施以及計畫那我要提醒部長跟董事長台北車站這個問題的核心並不是在於缺乏計畫而是缺乏執行力跟人力不足的問題那 |
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我們台北車站必須要加強這種場域安全的這種風險的盤點以及人力配置不足的問題必須去做檢討跟改進來 董事長你們有什麼更具體的作為 |
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是的 我們這事情發生以後我們跟鐵井做有這個聯訪的機制那我們做法就是把月台上的一些保全然後調到這個一樓這邊來每30分鐘的巡邏那這個部分是暫時的情況現在目前 這只是暫時 |
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董事長我剛才提醒過你補足人力是一個重要的議題還有相關的加強這種現場的防護網這也是重要的一個方向我們必須要知道台鐵公司在這兩方面有什麼更具體不是說什麼相關的措施或計畫更具體的執行力跟人力不足的問題你必須要面對 |
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是的 所以我們11月1號會把這個本來從那邊吊上來的這個我們就專責在月台上了那這樣的話就可以月台完全守住然後在這個大廳這邊的話我們也確實能夠做好這個訪問另外跟委員報告 |
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就是我們也會跟內政部來溝通就鐵井的部分人力可不可以增加那另外因為台北車站是重要的國家的關鍵設施我們可以透過這個國土辦國土辦公室來做專案的申請警力的這個協助這個部分我們也會協助台鐵公司部這邊來協助台鐵公司除了相關鐵井的增加之外是否也要徵聘相關的保全人員 |
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保全應該要增加保全應該要增加而且我們在跟鐵警局也要協調協調設立相關的常駐的哨點常駐的哨點來確保相關高風險區域的一個基本的保障那像廁所大廳出入口等等那我們會做到24小時的這樣的一個巡守嗎來董事長說明一下24小時 |
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我們現在是沒有到24小時吧有嗎輪班確實在我們在這個大廳這邊是24小時輪班那就跟這個鐵井那這個11月1號以後這個保全就是專責了好 相關的台北車站當然是有他的安全的一個破口 |
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那就是說它鬆散不夠嚴謹的安全網是必須我們來做一個全盤的檢討那相關的也不只是台北火車站像桃園 高雄 台中等等這些重要的車站我們必須都通盤的來做安全網的一個檢討必須讓旅客搭乘火車有一個安心的車站 |
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這個是很重要的來最後讓董事長跟部長來做補充說明有關於剛才委員提的這個保全的部分的話我們確定已經在徹底的盤點那我們應該8月的時候已經開始最不足的地方我們趕快就來補充這個保全的人員 |
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好謝謝董事長跟部長謝謝委員保障勞工的權益保障旅客的安全這都是台鐵的一個重要的責任跟工作我們會嚴加的督促好謝謝委員好謝謝召委好接下來再請林俊憲委員發言 |
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好感謝主席本席邀請我們交通部常務部長 |
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委員好部長好部長在週日就10月26號總統又到台南他去看災後重建的時候他有特別跟我提到兩個第一個就台南未來的重道交通建設第一是捷運目前直轄市六都只有台南市沒有任何捷運明年渴望第一條藍線可以動工第二個 |
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就是市區的鐵路地下化即將完工 通車那接下來鐵路完北走就是到永康就延永康鐵路地下化那永康的鐵路地下化對於目前台南市的整體交通來講非常重要永康已經是台南超過20萬人口的第二大的行政區 |
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那永康的鐵路地下化目前可行性這個評估已經獲得行政院的核定 是但我們也特別希望交通部這裡以及行政院的支持能夠在明年底以前完成綜合規劃作業的核定那這個地方恐怕就當然需要中央跟地方來密切合作 是 |
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那個這點是不是請部長能夠全力來支持好 報告委員永康鐵路地下化現在列為我們鐵道局很重要的一個綜合規劃的業務那現在鐵道局正在趕進度我們希望能夠到明年底我們設定的目標就是明年底要獲得行政院的核定那這個部分鐵道局會全力來趕進度對 總統那天也是這麼講希望在明年底以前永康鐵路地下化能夠得到行政院的核定 |
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不知道你有沒有看到 現在這裡就是永康鐵路地下化了以後至少我們可以消除幾個平交道像這個永康橋 永康橋就是奇美醫院你英雄如果踢到地上 機密便衣前面那個路橋就沒了另外就是英雄的康橋大道平交道這就是總圖附近了 |
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另外就是四維路平橋道四維路平橋道跟烏水橋平橋道這幾個平橋道有路橋中正路路橋你如果去英通交流道國道1號下來你就看到一個很奇怪的路線那個路橋也可以拿掉另外就是英台路外的路橋都可以通通不見所以1號你去之後你大概還要蓋幾個新的車站我看這裡有一個大橋站 |
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這是地下車站 地下車站大橋站就在旁邊另外設一個康橋站康橋站就是大概在那個總圖附近在那個地方的話 |
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附近的人口就非常多因為未來那個地方 泡沙灘遷走以後那個地方在旁邊再設一個地下的鐵路車站這對地方的發展非常更是非常的期待所以我希望說我們在明年 明年再進展這個英空的鐵路鐵路法的綜合規劃可以來得到行政的核定好 我們來努力因為第二個台南市還有一個地方很重要的鐵路立體化也要人德人德鐵路立體化 |
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這個地方 我還在保安交流道剛好在保安交流道我還去那條鐵路平交道火車給我擋住了 |
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我在車上等了12分鐘可能這個台灣鐵路平交道很少啦它剛好有一個秘匯教授的時段就是南北向的客車貨車差不多趕那個時間那單橋要10分鐘那你很難去想像你知道它是在隔壁的出入口我們在鐵路立體化這當然是做活動的可行性評估啦一開始都做不過 |
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本席就不放棄了我再請黃偉哲市長你再做因為我也結合地方的跟我看法相同支持我的議員再去議會提案請市長再繼續做可能性評估才最近才完成了那也提報到我們部裡面來 |
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我們請交通部這裡能夠幫忙協助快速的審查我們能夠鐵路立體化的可見性評估是 報告員如果他們地方政府送過來我們會盡量加速加速審查因為這個林鄭的地路地下化主要她最麻煩的就是她的中間樓一段 平交道她在林鄭的時候才很擁擠 |
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它還有一個招待的就是說鐵路在上面然後它地下道的通行車輛彈隧橋這個在地方也是惡名昭彰那些都很難通行的 |
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那麼在新的市政府送過來的案子裡面你醫療的人在鐵路高架化以後仁德車站的原地 原地繼續保留他就是差不多過港北高溪人在鐵路就開始高架起來 |
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然後這個未來這個仁德站中正路的這個平交道就沒有了這對林鄭發展很重要林鄭如果重視到這個一段路的平交道這仁德市區的通行會非常順暢 |
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所以臨陸站它是世界第一的地方但是變成一個高架的車站然後車子在經過潭水橋地下道未來的潭水橋地下道我們會消失是過潭水橋地下道它就開始慢慢地降下來過山脈會變平面 |
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所以原地的保安站因為剛好在立體化的這個下降的波段所以保安站會往北移往北移以後它就比較靠近這個比較靠近那個我們的那個旗美博物館啊 還有石谷的那個藝術文化園區 |
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所以這個鐵路在外面也可以連接我們在掛斷屏的生活圈還有保安工業區周遭一個奇美博物館跟石鼓園區之間整個會串聯起來所以這點我也請拜託我們江東部這裡能夠加速審查另外還有一個捷運台南市捷運 |
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六都市有 台南沒有啦那明年第一條喔 葡萄園你看一下因為美女要做這條啦藍線藍線喔 藍線喔這條就是台南中華東路平石營區的轉運站它對白要走到營空的大橋車站嘛大橋車站大概齊美醫院那裡那其中喔要趕快競速來幫忙審查的就是這個藍色的藍延線就是藍色的延長線 |
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藍色延長線對於仁德轉運站回來它有兩條一條往東再到冠廟再中它就是對於仁德中山入口那裡的仁德轉運站開始連結歸零到冠廟北站就冠廟再中它另外一條向南是走到各地的台南站就會連結到高鐵站這個叫藍色延長線因為跟這個名人動工的這個藍色線一起在一起所以這步也請我們那個交通部要加速來協助審查我們來加速審議 |
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另外在這個地方它還有一個深綠線對深綠線接到更重要的地方就是到蘭科不同的你也知道是現在蘭科的產值已經高過竹科 |
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所以你以後這條勝綠線你等於可以連結對南科你要坐捷運你可以直接坐到高鐵站是也就是說以後來到台南高鐵站的南科他不一定要坐車走國道1或者走平面道路回到南科他可以坐捷運直接到南科去是所以這是接下來就明年底這個核定準備動工的南線 |
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再來就是藍色的延長線這個藍延線 藍色延長線跟深綠線會串聯市區靠南科的 |
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另外一條藍色延長線就有隔離的這個柏文也請交通部來加速審查好 我們加速審查這個沒有問題我們都會支持台南的捷運建設我們都很支持因為台南也算委屈六島只有台南沒有捷運進度比較慢總算等到第一條的捷運美麗就要斷崗了是那你捷運只蓋一條是沒有用的沒有錯那你要形成一個路網對 |
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那你看他隨便一個計劃都是10年12年那經費都非常可怕都是好幾百億以上所以我們一定要保護我們台南我告訴你這是最好的機會我們一定要保護這個時辰來把未來台南這個10年甚至20年後的整體整體的路網做好一個超前的部署也感謝博電的全力支持好謝謝委員好謝謝部長好謝謝 |
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請回 謝謝好 接下來再請蔡其昌委員就選謝謝主席請陳部長跟鐵道局楊局長來 陳部長 楊局長請謝謝委員好 |
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好部長好局長好今天因為鐵道只有這個鄭董事長來所以我先把一個小一個事情我先讓部長先讓部長跟那個死者董事長也聊也溝通了解一下這個我們只要遇到這種 |
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大型的節日或者是連假這個高鐵其實現在平日也塞啦所以我上一次有特別去跟史哲董事長去提到我們這個行李的置放因為車廂是舊的 |
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那這個車廂是舊的新的車廂在日本打造史哲董事長有特別跟我說明說對於行李放置區空間有增加空間的利用會強化會增加但是等到新的車載現在這個舊的不要講廉價平常特別是桃園有停的 |
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那個行李真的沒有地方放這個造成很大的困擾動線常常在那個該有的動線常常都被放置大型行李所以未來新車廂那未來就你們現在已經想到了應該去做好規劃但現行的方法裡面你看這個 |
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這個新聞報導光復解這個廉價你看這個車子八個人搭高鐵下不了車我想應該不止八個人搞不好還有那個不知道的下不了車為什麼下不了車這個就是被行李廂擋住下不了車那自由座開放站票其他車廂開放站票這已經回復到台鐵的狀況 |
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以前這個年輕的時候搭台鐵只要快下車之前我都要先去卡那個車子的門因為我才下得了車我說廉價的時候要先擠到前面要先擠到前面不然你下不了車所以現在的高鐵如果品質不提升它就會變台鐵 |
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就大家還是為了要下車我要趕快提早就要擠到門口去不然我等一下下不了車嘛所以這個會造成其實服務的量能跟品質都會大家所詬病所以短期是不是應該有一些新的做法短期應該在新車廂沒有進來之前應該先去研議 |
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譬如說怎麼去因為不能隨便改造車廂但是在管理上可不可以著手譬如說小件的行李宣導放上面小件的行李因為小件行李都把它放在那個行李放置的區域大件行李就放大件行李又不能搬上去上面所以部長這個可不可以 |
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跟局長研議一下跟台鐵公司研議一下跟高鐵公司研議一下短期在舊新車廂還沒進來舊車廂怎麼處理對這個確實是大家現在覺得困擾的問題現在旅客越來越多行李也越來越多但是我們的車廂的量能大概就是這個樣子那所以辦法我們跟鐵道局也好跟高鐵公司也好我們會一起來研商看要怎麼協助 |
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對 我要為這些在搭高鐵的這些民眾消費者講講話這個真的要想個辦法盡量沒有辦法100%解決但是展現我們要解決這個問題的態度跟做法是很重要的另外這個一個小事像這種我們都要去注意像這個監理站 道安講席播放這個 播放簡體制 |
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我是覺得這個其實是很不妥 不用 不用沒關係 小事 小事坐下來簡體制常常會有 但是政府機關 民間大家就算了有時候書寫方便 有時候為了什麼其他問題但政府機關一定要特別去督促就是在政府的公文書 政府的相關的這些宣傳品上面不應該用簡體制 |
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反體制是中華民國才特有的我們這個國家在整體這種文字文化的上面這個部長對 這個我們會特別去了解特別注意下去常常會有啦常常會有委員今天提到我們就有發現發現了就要趕快 |
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對 你看民眾就會很在意這個大家就直接上網就直接就把你寫出來了所以這個不只監理所不只監理站的道安講習而是應該在政府交通部下屬對 我們下屬的所有的廠站都要注意這點這是common sense這個應該要做好接下來這個鐵路警察不足這個鐵路警察不足高鐵公司我看起來他們的保全 |
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就大概拼了170幾個保全嘛是 台鐵公司有沒有打算要這樣做 |
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台鐵公司目前正在盤點哪些車站需要保全那人力一定是朝增加的方向在走朝增加的方向因為他車站多那需要維護的也多那一方面我們會爭取內政部把鐵路警察的員額盡量再補多一點那二方面因為台鐵公司有很多是關鍵基礎設施我們會專案的來跟國土辦來申請專案的保全人那個警力進來協助那保全的人力也一定要再增加 |
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部長我想從你當助理從我開始當委員開始要增加警察人力我們已經講了20幾年都是困難對 都是困難太了解了所以與其你看我今天連警察人力我都不想問你了因為這個 |
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不只我們鐵路單位要政府各個單位都在含警力不足所以我們可以解決的方法像高鐵公司他就直接一百七十幾個保全那台鐵公司應該可以考量這是一個方向我覺得這個比較快我們保全優先來盤點優先來盤點增加人力 |
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那最後一個問題就是海線鐵路雙軌的進度我想這個大概每一年交通部都要我辦公室來專案報告每一年我們也在爭取在討論那現在因為分兩個部分雙軌是中央可以直接處理所以本席過去一直主張不要再等地方政府了就是你要等台中市政府 |
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雙軌因為高價需要市政府依照分配比例需要市政府出錢那雙軌不用市政府出錢所以過去本席本來很希望雙軌高價一起來因為這個是最有效率對地方最好但是如果我們一直要等他的高價市政府一直不願意配合 |
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那不能再等雙軌就只好先做所以交通部接受我的建議雙軌呢總共經費是161.95億中央全額負擔那現在在中規的二階環評照進度走 |
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那現本席也 今年你們來報告的時候我也要求局長說持續跟市府溝通那現在呢高價的部分跟市府溝通有沒有新的進度高價化的部分交通部全力支持那市府的進度我是不是請局長來 局長 |
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因為市政府最新送進來的報告跟我們所謂經費分擔上面的這個議題還沒有達成完全的這樣的一個了解 還是不願意就對了不願意依照中央地方分配的比例來做好 你持續溝通啦但是我覺得效果很有限啦 |
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反正他就吃定你啦財政收支劃分已經割一塊去了大家也就割了嘛反正地方政府然後你該負擔的你又不願意出又要叫中央出這個就擺明不想做啦我的看法就是擺明不想做啦所以局長你一定要這個雙軌一定要照進度走啦就是照二階環評就照進度這樣走 |
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但是不能因為高階一直在等著他的所謂這個高架化就立體化而淡入了我們雙軌化的這個進程了解可以嗎是好這個很重要啦這個部長雙軌化不會拖延對一直也在關心這個案子好謝謝謝謝委員謝謝謝謝 |
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好 接下來再請陳樹越委員那陳樹越委員質詢完畢之後我們休息五分鐘謝謝主席 請主席邀請陳部長還有鄭董事長陳部長 鄭董事長請鄭董事長 謝謝委員好部長早 |
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今天委員會是針對這個台鐵各地車站旅客安全措施檢討以及改善員工職場安全的一個專題報告那在這邊本席首先針對有關就是這個車站的安全的問題那我們看到從今年從四月到現在十月份短短的半年之間就發生了七件這個台鐵員工遭受到這個暴力攻擊的一個事件 |
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那針對這樣子的屢次發生的這樣子的一個事件我想對於台鐵員工在工作上也會有這個承受了很大的一個壓力所以在這個部分不曉得我們交通部有沒有比較積極的對策可以來 |
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加強我們台鐵員工在上班的時候執行的時候的一個安全是 跟委員報告其實台鐵公司針對這些案件也都相當注意那也很支持我們的員工在法律的訴訟上面他們也有提供法律上面的支持那另外一方面就是也有在討論有沒有要裝密錄器這件事但是這個部分還沒有得到員工大家的 |
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同意啦有些員工覺得不需要再裝這個設備那另外針對保全的部分今天也有討論到那我們也朝向未來保全人力如果可以增加還有鐵井的人力如果可以增加的話我們會盡量來爭取增加的這個緣額那還有一點就是說對於員工的這個訓練 |
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就是維安的訓練這個部分可能我覺得台鐵公司也應該有作為也是對於員工如何保護自己的這個作為應該有要做一定的這個訓練這個部分應該台鐵公司也有在做那還有要董事長要補充一下嗎簡單補充一下 |
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大概我們朝向這剛才部長講的那個方向在做了尤其在我們自己防衛列車上的這個列車長還有我們站上的人員的這種自我防衛的方式然後相對的就等於是要制止這個 |
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不法人員的部分我們會馬上 我們有這種訓練那另外就是說如果是在受到這個旅客呢 辱罵這些部分我們已經有設立我們這個法務的資源那麼對於 如果員工要提高的話呢我們會對這個旅客來協助我們的員工來保護他職場上的安全 |
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我們也希望就是說我們交通部跟台鐵公司這邊就是要去思考怎樣比較周到然後全面性的可以去防範這樣子的一個事件的發生那除了就是說這個遭遇這個蓄意的暴力攻擊之外我們也看到在10月27號在高雄捷運有發生了一件這個高中女生落軌身亡的一個意外事件 |
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所以對於整個軌道運輸的越台的乘客的安全問題我想這個安全也是包括員工因為我們剛剛提到的台鐵員工被攻擊他是被推落落下軌道 |
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那在高雄捷運這個是高中女生落軌可能是自己跌下去的所以對於這個月台上這個安全的一個問題我們交通部這邊有沒有就是比較具體的一些可以推動的改善 |
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跟委員報告除了剛剛在講的那些措施之外我們對於一些車站的月台門我們也開始在做精進我們目前高雄站應該實驗性的月台門已經做得差不多了那明年3月明年3月就會安裝完成那如果實驗過後可以的話我們希望在重要的車站尤其是人潮比較眾多風險那個係數比較高的地方我們先來裝月台門 |
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那除了台鐵之外高鐵其實也是會朝這個方向未來高鐵應該是每一個車站都會有月台門 |
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我們看到目前台鐵做的這個就是月台門跟高鐵是不一樣的對 因為台鐵的車型比較多種比較多樣化那因為它每一個車子的門開的地方不一樣跟高鐵不一樣高鐵是固定那個地方有車門但是台鐵每一個車型不同的話它那個車的開門的地方都不一樣 |
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是所以這個纜繩式的這個月台門目前就是我們台鐵採用的一個設計那這個目前是還在就是測試階段嗎還是是的現在在測試那我們預計在明年的3月呢可以完成這個安裝 |
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是高雄站還是全部就是高雄的部分我們先在高雄試用試辦那整個狀況如果順暢的話以後我們就是往其他車站來推廣是那我們也發現說這個目前在就是進行了這個工程造價好像蠻高的那未來在其他的車站在設置的時候還是會需要這麼大的一個工程費用嗎 |
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這個部分的話確實以目前看來這個案子的經費是很大但是因為這裡面有牽涉到設計如果將來我們採取這個這個部分的這樣的形式那在其他的車站的話因為設計費用已經有包括在這邊了所以看是不是可以把費用往下降 |
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接下來我想請教有關勞動條件的問題我們看到台鐵的企業工會提出了勞資爭議的一個條件總共有12項想請問部長或者是董事長對於他們的訴求您的看法如何 |
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跟委員報告其實這12項這個工會的這個議題我們都很非常的重視我也多次的跟他們的這個理事長還有相關的人員討論過那針對這裡面最重要的兩項其實我們在就是一個是夜點會跟這個主管家級的部分我們已經在通過我們的董事會來同意那夜點會的話我們從120 |
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塊錢的話那麼提升到最高可以到400塊那這個主管加給的話也提升大概都是50%以上的這個額度所以這一部分的話我們現在已經送往交通部在陳河中是 |
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所以最近就會核定了是嗎會 交通部全力支持這兩個議案所以在這邊我們也很興建這個台鐵公司這個善意的一個回應那目前就是宣布有關這個夜點費就是調升三倍了從120到400對那有關這個加擠的部分也有提升所以我覺得這部分我們是很肯定的那除了這個之外我們希望就是說對於 |
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其他的訴求我們也可以也是希望能夠有一些進度跟回應會的這部我們也持續在檢討會進行中 |
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OK好謝謝鄭董事長那鄭董事長請先回座好了接下來我想請問有部長就是有關這個監理業務的問題因為我們看到在中台灣就是南投嘉義雲林都有兩處這個監理站包括監理分站那以彰化來說26鄉鎮123萬的人口目前就只有一個 |
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監禮站是位在張北的花壇所以對於我們張南的甚至很遙遠的這個西藍角的部分大成方院竹塘二營這邊如果有相關的這個監禮業務要辦的時候對他們來說是非常遙遠所以很多這邊西藍角的鄉親遇到本席的時候都有在反映說希望在張南可以設這個監禮分站 |
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那是不是請那個部長可以承諾 跟委員報告這個部分我知道彰化其實浮雲非常遼闊那所以我們現在有用這個行動監理車的方式先短期先處理就是說我們有些行動監理車固定時間會到某些鄉鎮 目前有嗎 |
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目前應該是有啦目前是有 有在做行動監理車的部分會先做那另外就是委員在講的張瀾的監理站我們現在先優先我們去跟彰化縣政府也好或者是說找地區的鄉公所大家來合作因為如果你還要蓋再找地那還要一段時間那如果可以用他現在的公所可以跟我們合屬辦公或者是衛生 |
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所 可以跟我們合處辦公的話 我們會優先來處理 優先來辦理好 那就是就部長回覆的這個答案我是可以接受啦那可是我希望有一個進度 是不是 那進度我們後續再跟委員報告 會後是不是請那個相關的主管 沒問題 沒問題 跟我們這邊聯繫一下 沒問題沒問題 好 謝謝部長謝謝 |
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謝謝我們現在依照剛剛宣布休息五分鐘五分鐘之後繼續開會 |
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響鐘 |
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| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
謝謝大家 |
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響鐘 |
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| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
響鐘 |
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那我不要 |
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谢谢大家 |
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謝謝大家 |
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謝謝大家 |
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谢谢大家 |
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| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
谢谢大家 |
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| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
谢谢观看 |
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| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
響鐘 |
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好那我們現在交通委員會繼續開會首先再請許富奎委員質詢謝謝主席有請我們陳部長陳部長請 |
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非常好部長早部長我想最近這個汽車市場這個瀰漫一個新的一個訊息尤其是針對目前這個台美貿易談判最近聽說這個美製的車輛進口關稅可能會降到零所以這些新購汽車新購主這個躍躍欲試不曉得部長有沒有接到這樣一個訊息報告委員交通部的部分我們是負責安全審驗的部分 |
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那至於關稅的部分那是財政部我們目前沒有接到他們任何的訊息部長認為如果這個一口氣宣佈到零的時候對整個國內這個交通的影響跟環境會不會有受到衝擊有人說這個對特斯拉看有何處部長認為我覺得應該會對於整體的車市都有蠻重大的影響車的價格或許會稍微調降一些部長那我想我們過去一直提到這個所謂的一個 |
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運具電動化的一個目標那包含我們的電動巴士也好我們這個商用的小客車也好過去我們有提到一個商用車輛電動化跟無碳化的一個減碳旗艦行動計畫要提供這個計程車購車補助每輛最高35萬那這部分但是我們在這個明年的預算裡面並沒有看到這一項的編列那這部分會執行嗎是 我請司長跟委員回答一下 |
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跟委員報告那個商用車電動化旗艦計畫是因為是由環境部在統籌來來送院審查那院是在9月30號已經核給環境部了那因為9月30號大概因為來不及編115年的預算那我們現在會著手編116年的預算來所以要再慢一年對對因為已經那個來不及編明年的預算 |
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我想這個推動這樣低碳的一個環境也是我們努力的目標 沒錯那尤其針對這個電動巴士的部分感覺上我們的進度比較慢一點電動巴士如果是市區公車的話我們這個進度還是在進行 |
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預期的進度上 這個沒問題 那我們 那預算也有編列所以明年度如果有需要的話 各個地方政府提出來 我們都會來協助不是地方 各個公司啦各個客運公司如果提出來 我們都會來協助好 我想這個我們應該列為我們很重要的一個目標 |
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部長那我想我上一次質詢有特別提到這個因為我們今年這個從九月到十月有三個這個連假那當然我知道部長也很很用心也有自己有跑到我們南部來看一下整個輸運的狀況但是最近有發生了一個高鐵這個有乘客因為這個行李的關係下不了車一個狀況 |
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那我有特別提到明年至少有9個廉價那我們在整個鐵路公路還有這個高鐵運輸的部分我們有沒有做一個比較嚴謹的一個規劃我想我們應該避免這樣的一個狀況發生怎麼樣做營運跟委員報告對交通部來講我們希望各個運具的運量要均衡所以這幾年我們一直在努力說希望鼓勵大家去搭國道客運那那個都有打折甚至最低打到6折65折 |
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那都是由交通部這邊來補助讓大家可以去搭乘不一樣的運具台鐵也很舒服那國道客運也很舒服但最近確實有觀察到很多的民眾是習慣搭高鐵那高鐵越來越擁擠的這個議題其實我們從這一兩年來我們一直在討論這個議題那最嚴重的就像委員您所提出來的高鐵上有人下不了車這個對旅客來講是蠻嚴重的事情 |
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那我們也在跟高鐵公司正在研商看什麼樣的方法例如說是不是哪一些特別會擁擠的班次我們的自由座的人數有沒有要管控因為如果你完全不管控的狀況底下大家就是把他塞到滿塞到滿就會有上不了車或下不了車的問題 |
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不是 因為我們幾乎每天都在坐高鐵我們都看得到因為我們現在很多國外旅客大家都大包小包啦行李非常大非常多 而且都很大那尤其我們一些像板橋業或什麼這些小站的停留時間比較短那我們的工作人員如果沒有注意真的就會發生這樣下不了車的狀況 |
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這個我要到台中或是哪裡的人被擠在車上所以我覺得當然這個今天高鐵是董事長沒有來 未來應該是不是檢討 像董事長講的部長講的 未來針對自由做的部分還是有沒有這個整個運量調整部分有沒有怎麼樣一個分流的一個措施應該去思考一下啦 |
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是 報告員 我們這個會持續跟高鐵公司來研商確實要做人潮的分流那甚至是人潮的管控 這個部分其實要去做如果不做讓他 禮拜一早上禮拜一早上跟禮拜五下班更恐怖對 都會塞得很滿 都會塞得很滿好 這部分再麻煩 我們這個部分我們來跟高鐵公司一起來那麻煩我們台鐵政董事長 謝謝 |
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董事長我想我們現在台鐵公司化之後大家都寄予厚望那我知道您這個上任之後您也一直在努力調整我們這個整個一個內部的環境但是現在我們工會的部分因為這個過去也有一個類似這個跟我們公司體制裡面有一些抗衡的一些包含捍衛勞工權的一些做法 |
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那董事長 未來針對這樣的一個廉價還有我們這個勞工的一個權益問題董事長有沒有什麼樣的看法 會不會再發生一個抗爭的一個事件 |
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謝謝委員的關心那事實上跟工會這邊我一上任以後我一直跟我們的工會保持一個非常通暢的一個協調那他們最關心的這個12項這個福利事項那我也在裡面的最重要的兩點就是一個是夜點會一個是主管加擠這個部分我們已經通過董事會的這個核定那其中夜點會我們從120增加到最高400塊 |
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那另外我們的這個主管加急方面大概也都是加了50%以上所以這一部分的話現在已經送到董事會裡面送到這個交通部這邊來核定如果核定以後我們可以夜點會我們明年的1月1號就可以來實施那這個主管加急的話我們會今年會回收到今年的1月1號那這樣的話我想這樣的話對公會應該有這個 |
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一個非常像作用的好的作用那其他的部分我們也持續在檢討董事長我想我們這個見了好幾次面我也有特別跟你提到我們這個年輕的這個同仁的一個心聲他們有些住在屏東住在高雄但是因為當時紛發在東部或在北部好像走出跟吃飯就沒有了 |
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怎麼樣回家帶小孩每次他們的使徒都跟我說委員你把手機都調回來好不好我說因為你們公司有調動的一個制度但是我們還是期待在招考的過程裡面真的要有一項相關的配套措施啊能夠讓這些年輕人能夠願意回到我們自己的家鄉這樣子不然他們都很客氣啦 |
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改天他帶不下去就跑去別的地方考試因為我們的基層的同仁都在缺因為都調不回來這是一個很嚴重的一個困境部長願意支持這樣的一個處理方式嗎報告委員我也相當支持因為確實台鐵要留才除了薪資以外他整體的勞動條件然後還有就是他的住宿的問題 |
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如果可以讓他自己在自己的家鄉當然就很好對於未來流財一定會有幫助那我也請台鐵公司我們朝這個方向來演繹看怎麼協助所有的年輕員工可以更幸福的在這個地方工作對了我們都期待大家真的能夠安居樂業這個是我們幸福企業的一個表徵那最後我想 |
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那個部長 針對屏東的交通建設高鐵 南延 屏東 還有我們這個訪寮大平台的計畫甚至這個屏南快速道路 我想多次我在院會跟委員都在質詢我也知道部長跟我們相關的主管都很用心但是速度真的很慢尤其我們這個鐵路也沒有雙軌這個我到現在那個屏南快速道路還要好幾年 高鐵 |
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2039 我們的中部市長都跟我說這不是坐著的對不對真的聽起來都該心生了部長真的你要展現你的決心均衡台灣交通建設絕對是重中之重部長能承諾加快施程嗎好 報告委員這個部分我們全力來加速啦有很多的交通建設都是大家所期待也是真正要均衡台灣必須要做的一個前提所以我們交通部會全力來加速那最後針對我們這個捷運這個小港到 |
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臨邊這條我想我們最近也跟高雄市政府繼續在溝通協調那目前的進程還有所謂的施工方式局長有沒有新的變化 |
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我想目前我們在這個月初有召開過一次會議邀請屏東縣政府跟鋼管事務來做討論我們後面會繼續來做溝通因為現在是系統跟這個高架地下還有這個石化園區上面的這個相關的這些議題要做處理部長這是屏東第一條是是希望不要台死附中我很擔心好好我們一起來努力 拜託一下謝謝好謝謝 |
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好再請黃健豪委員發言好謝謝這個主席我們一樣請交通部陳思凱部長陳部長請 |
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8511.779 |
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部長我想兩週前我們交通委員會有讓台中來考察我們台中的捷運綠線延伸段的部分那當時當然我本席的立場當然是希望說我們所謂延伸到大坑這段可以優先來做那當時在這個會議中這個部長你也提到說因為這延伸段分為南段跟北段那所以在送建的時候因為南邊涉及到彰化的都市計畫所以說台中在送建的時候可以把它直接分成南段跟北段 |
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但是我回來之後我們查了一下包含說過去台中的三海環線一開始送出去的時候是完整的計畫但是後來交通部意見一樣把它拆成由交通部來拆拆成三個計畫分成三線海線加後線那台中的當初的整個屯區捷運的延伸線整個環狀線的部分後來也是依據交通部意見拆成了紫線跟藍線的延伸段那像高雄的岡山路竹線也是依據國防意見一開始也是整個送進去後來也是由國防院核定拆成兩地段來進行 |
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那我今天在這邊跟部長就教是說今天這些計劃一開始地方送上去都是完整的那這一次其實按照我們的捷運延伸線原先的計劃當然也希望是能夠完整的送進去來審也希望能夠完整的整段來通過但是因為就如同我所說因為這個光是過去這些屬於同一個地方政府同一個城市它的這個捷運建設它的這些鐵路建設它都會有可能因為計劃其成因為經費管理被拆分 |
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像台中綠線捷運延伸線它是橫跨兩個城市彰化線跟台中市彰化線裡面又涉及到他們彰化市的問題所以等於同時間有三個地方政府會面對這個問題據我所知像去年今年初今年二月的時候我們內政部也又把張東擴大都市計畫又退回了一次所以等於現在這個東西又沒有進度所以對我來講或對交通部來講我的問題我們的尷尬點在於說對台中市政府我們要送出去我們當然希望一次來做完 |
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可是因為這個什麼都市計畫這個都需要送內政部審都需要說中央來會來審但如果最後在中央這邊被退回的話地方來不及處理嘛所以要問說這個部分到時候這個細部到底我們是由我們猜還是到時候是送上去一次送上去之後由交通部來大家一起來 |
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決定到底怎麼處理這部分跟委員報告都市計畫的部分交通部大概也幫不上忙他那個進度可能要自己去抓張東的部分要彰化縣政府他們自己去抓那另外對於拆分的部分委員剛剛有提到一個很關鍵的議題就是說他們都是整體各個地方都是整體送上來由國發會去建議他們你們要不要拆開 |
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大概是這樣或者是由我們交通部來建議他要不要拆開所以對地方政府來說他還是要整個送上來那我們可以出建議建議他拆但是實際上要不要拆的這個動作都還是地方政府必須要去做所以我們在計畫那我把明確一點當初那天會刊的時候沒有講得很明確如果把明確一點留個記錄所以地方政府這次要送所謂的明年初要送綜合規劃一樣是把整個綠線延伸送上來 |
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那看都市計畫有沒有趕上嘛讓他趕上我們就好大家一起台中彰化交通部一起合趕上當然就沒有問題嘛那如果沒趕上就沒趕上你們就會給建議嘛建議他們拆啦好OK那這樣沒問題喔但是拆不拆的決定權還是在地方政府自己來決定沒關係這個是反正到時候就是你們會建議嘛建議不建議拆或不拆是交通部的權限還是台中市的權限 |
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我們可提也可不提但是就是台中市政府這邊要想要拆他再來請我們給他建議拆這是可以的當然這是客觀事實我們沒有想要拆但是如果如果沒有想要拆我們就不會建議他要拆都市計畫但是我有講都市計畫如果最後還是沒有進入 |
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那台中市政府要去做決定因為這個決定權都還是在地方政府他們要自己做決定因為還是回到那天我們考察的時候我跟委員報告的那個觀念那個捷運系統的建制是地方自己辦的事項那中央只是一個協助的角色好沒問題這個部長接下來下一題這個 |
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我想我只能關注我們部長上任之後的這些一言一行你去年9月2號上任的時候不久你來到台中視察台鐵的這個站台說要來幫我們裝這個設置相關的這些安全的這些閘門等等的那目前為止在目前以高雄車站的事辦算是要開始來做了明年3月對 那台中 |
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因為你去年說要讓台中來做那目前好像只聞部長說但是相關計畫跟委員報告因為我們高雄是第一個事辦的站我們要確定這樣子的系統是可運行的而且是安全而且適合台鐵如果確定之後我們就會開始去推展到各個車站尤其是人數比較多的那台中車站我自己也在那邊搭車好幾次在上去的時候確實發現 |
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假日的時候人潮蠻擁擠然後月台其實是相對擁擠的所以台中站應該到時候也會列為我們優先要設置這個所謂的月台閘門的這個站體之一那個評定標準就是說因為現在是等高雄先你所謂示範先看先走嘛對 我要先示範一段時間確定系統是穩定可行的那我想問問部長到時候現階段因為現在選高雄市所謂的示範那其他城市 |
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8813.462 |
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的評定標準你是要等到高雄的事辦的結果現在現階段我們可以來看說哪些站點哪些大站或小站來決定要不要裝設這樣子的東西台鐵開始評估了嗎是不是請台鐵董事長好沒問題 |
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我想我們會選這個高雄就是說這個越台門的設計因為台鐵的車種太多了所以它的這個做法就不像高鐵一樣就是說你可以疑似要鎖所有的車站都一樣那所以我們在這個情況之下我們就是先看哪一種方式看高雄現在這個方式是不是適合我們台鐵的部分 |
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那至於說人潮的需要那當然我們現在開始已經開始評估說哪些是需要做月台門的我具體建議跟部長跟董事長來報告包含說過去當然曾經發生過意外的我們的五泉站跟太原站這是發生過事件的那如果從人潮來看松竹站松竹站它的人潮從去年到今年提升了20% |
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所以它其實人潮是增加因為它整個重劃區的關係所以人都變多所以像這種人潮明顯增加那因為它本來不是什麼A級站不是一級站它自己屬於小型的地方站本來是這樣一開始像什麼松竹那麼太原這些五泉你應該很清楚都只是區間車理論上停的小站但是因為它現在隨著人口成長它變成像是大家把當地捷運在做我想這也是交通部樂見的事情 |
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8901.468 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
8911.929 |
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當然捷運在做之後讓人潮提升非常多所以未來是不是可以把它像這些本來的小站也能夠因為人潮提升之後來把它裝設所謂的樂台有沒有機會這樣往這方向來思考 |
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8931.029 |
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跟委員報告這個人潮的隨著人口的這個成長那旅客的這個成長的因素的話我們會列為考慮之一好 董事長謝謝那接下來在今天主題當然還是要討論一下安全問題這個我們回顧一下其實每次遇到重大事故就會喊要見警率所以從108年 114年 113年每一次 |
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8933.891 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
8950.696 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
我想歷史許多新聞只要看到了台鐵或者是我們的這種公共運輸出問題的時候就會喊建請率建請率建請率但是實際上我們看這個預算當然這不歸你們不全然是你們的問題這個警察的部分缺額比例 |
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8976.999 |
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預算原額是910人但現有原額有726人當然這是隔壁內政委員會的問題但是這實際上每次說要喊見警率提升但實際上真正的警察有提升嗎 沒有所以在安全的措施上面我覺得這個部分台鐵或是交通部有沒有什麼做法除了見警率提升之外到底要怎麼做或是你們要怎麼去跟內政部協調是警察要增加呢還是有其他的措施可以改變這個部分改進這個部分 |
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8978.656 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
8991.528 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
當然長期來說跟內政部來爭取這個鐵路警察的員額的增加或者是實際派遣人力的增加這個我們當然會持續來拜託跟要求那另外針對關鍵基礎設施我們也會專案來跟內政部來請求這個專案的警力 |
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| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
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那第三就是說獲取保全的人力能夠更快速的來補充也是一種方案那我也請台鐵公司開始再做研議我們針對保全人力的部分有沒有可能來增加部長您再看一下就是說我提供一個資料就是你們我們需要資料從1月1今天5月22號因為台鐵這個玉里花蓮區間車發生這個旅客攻擊列車事件所以當你們提出一些這個加強護車的勤務 |
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那確實從4月到5月4月開始到5月5月到6月6月到7月7月到8月8月到9月底都有相關紀錄就是這個專案進行了大概半年左右但是928之後這個專案好像就停止了那我要講什麼就是說發生重大社會事件台鐵很積極我馬上請大家來協情提升見景率可是這個專案結束了之後又回到正常 |
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好像是會讓一些有心人士或者說只能假設這個不定時炸彈有機可乘所以我們希望說如果在事件發生的當下見景率能夠提升你護車班次能夠提高那平常是到底是人地不足的問題還是什麼問題我覺得這部分是整個交通部跟內政部要一起去檢討可以嗎好我們一起來檢討董事長要回應嗎 |
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我想這個提高健警力我們最近跟這個鐵警局這邊有一個非常好的一個這個共識就是說他們要用跨區跨域來這個執行他前路也就是說如果他到了台中以後他可以往前往下一個他的這個非轄區的部分去做那這樣的話所以我們現在這個跨車的這個每週是有439人已經增加到687人 |
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那每週的這個車次也由453次增加到700人 700個車次所以有大幅的增加好 董事長謝謝 部長謝謝謝謝委員好 謝謝接下來再請魯明哲委員質詢 |
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好謝謝主席有請我們交通部陳部長陳部長請 |
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部長早 委員好就請教一下就說當然因為這陣子包括地方政府大家都在關心所謂的一個軌道工程地方主要的一個捷運是這個在明年度的預算跟原本的概算很多的部分少了非常多所以我們看到大概有幾個地方政府就說補助差那麼多有可能蓋不下去可是 |
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我有聽到這個行政院院長跟部長去說反正一句話啦就是沒錢嘛對不對然後因為錢因為財化法等等的原因可是同一時間10月21號這個看到舊人在哭又看到新人在笑哇台南手條捷運中央決定補助193億然後市政府自籌多少一方面是覺得沒有了一方面又開啟一個新的一個計畫我覺得 |
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我都對於這個正反變的這個訊息我真的想問一下部長你們對於現在軌道工程你們整個的一個已經核定了一個經費整個的一個政策到底是什麼你說一下吧 |
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跟委員報告目前正在審核的案子其實還蠻多的我們這些進度還是持續走但是對於長期來說跟委員報告就是才化法之後我們能夠協助地方的力量應該是會減少 |
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那減少之後就會有新的辦法但是目前新的辦法還沒出來所以我們原本在審議的過程包含桃園的也是一樣我們進度讓他持續走不要去拖延到地方的進度這個相當的關鍵所以我們進度持續走但是我們到底還有多少的預算可以來協助地方我們要看每一年的財政的狀況 |
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我想說在這一次基本上已經核定了地方的一個軌道工程 除了六都加基隆市基隆市大家也吵了很久然後就準備要開始了 準備開始第一年各個地方整個看起來提出來的概算是399億在今年明年度然後你實際編的預算總共只有90億然後減少了 |
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77%這所有在線上的六都加基隆市像這樣的一個減幅其實演發出來幾個問題第一個現在還很多的在可行性研究中規環評大家都知道每一次任何的軌道工程因為金額比較大技術很多地方的一個意見都被折磨了四五年通過哇 叫一流 |
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多少的法規國法會所有的原則所有的例子拿出來一個一個的去判判讀出來我可以補助多少結果四五年跟你們磨了半天結果你四五個月不要說四五天啊你就決定沒有了 |
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我就講第一個我覺得這種過五官斬六將五六年的一個專業抵不過你行政院長跟交通部你們幾個人講一下叭喳到底砍幾叭 隨便就把它砍掉這到底是以前的那叫做折磨人四五年根本不叫專業其實根本不值得一提我只要我的會員一看就可以減到多少我覺得有一點 |
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羞辱到過去這麼努力的不管是鐵道局交通部國發跟行政院整個團隊嚴格審查的一個結果那現在一個我要請教的意思就是說沒有關係我要問你政策第一個是不做不完了結果是什麼明年不編預算它只是一個訊號是緩編預算還是有是緩編 |
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還是就不編了不編了我覺得這個都還是要跟人家去講清楚為什麼呢有一些已經在施工階段了他頭已經洗下去了那他要想辦法對不對那第二個呢你們剛通過的啊台南啊人家正在開心啊開心嘛但是你們正在同一時間他準備細色發包最快明年開始動工這新聞媒體寫的那像這種 |
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你們剛核定正準備細設發包的幾個案子你要跟他講清楚我這樣希望你能夠講清楚說抱歉雖然你還沒有發包我們核定的10月21號的也是只是跟你玩一玩說193億其實是騙你的那你要跟人家講清楚因為地方政府他有他的採組單位主計如果他沒有明確的來源的時候他連辦發包都有問題第三個是有18個案子就像部長說的 |
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三個還在中規階段15個在可行於研究一次講清楚嘛這都還沒開始的說真的中央地方裁員的問題你是解決不了已經發包跟一些廠商契約的問題你說沒有了不然你沒有辦法取約我跟你講那是沒有辦法去所以我們希望你能夠 |
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最快的速度把這個事情釐清嘛這個東西讓大家到底未來不補還是還補那工程要怎麼收尾我們工程會在我們交通委員會嘛要怎麼收尾啊有些真的做不下去了嘛你也不要說賭反正他一定可以做下去那不一定那我現在問部長你可以回答的這個鐵道局跟台鐵公司你可以回答的嘛 |
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好了 財化法地方預算 中央預算兩者之爭結果台鐵公司在明年台鐵公司他要212億就你們一樣大概減了七十幾億減了大概七十億大約大概六七十億變成只給他145億其中包括了什麼呢 |
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軌道結構安全提升我跟你講你們撿這個如果工程沒做現在誰撿誰要負責行政院長誰要負責軌道結構安全你可以給他撿掉12億 |
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營業所需車輛維修台鐵公司他提的計畫你把他也減掉12億大概十幾億那這個的部分你要你們砍掉的是什麼這個沒有扯到地方政府喔鐵道局台鐵公司都是你們中央單位了但你當你砍這個的時候你怎麼砍得下去一個是結構軌道結構安全第二個是車輛維修總共砍了25億 |
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鐵道局你砍了300億包括花東 很多項目啦花東鐵路地下化砍了46億桃園鐵路地下化 還有沒有240億嘛你大概也砍了120億那就問鐵道局你到底做不做啦現在不是問地方政府你們是主責單位 你們是發報單位那個楊局長你來說一下這對你來說是不編了還是緩編 |
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還是不做就我不要問地方都問你因為這個工程是你你說的你說一下這個我們還是會按照原來的契約進度繼續進行所以錢都會到嗎這個錢的話就是可以按照分年可能我們再做所以都可以所以到時候錢還是會來嗎 |
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目前我們的基本我跟你講 桃園鐵路地下化你們一方面在國發會在審議要增加700多億另外一方面你現有的1000億裡面你說匡列的預算你都不到位但是你很有信心也謝謝楊局長那我想這個信心應該會傳遞到地方 |
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主責施工的這個部分到底可不可以繼續來做一個施工我覺得這個部分我們希望行政院長 交通部你要趕快釐清嘛不然有些要發包你錢又不給他根本沒有辦法去發包了那另外一個角度如果你這個事情政策不明朗不清楚的時候 |
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不用理由我省了五年不用理由就可以弄掉幾十億喔喔 這樣可以啊你要知道當你組織單位的時候地方政府在台鐵地下化當然我們地方想要可是如果這錢弄不清你不給我也不給你嘛現在250億如果未來變成1800億桃園市政府25%他要付450億那大家花par gain我覺得這個部分有些在中央組織有些是地方組織 |
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你這個東西 你不給我錢 我不給你錢我不希望這種事情發生最後請那個台鐵公司鄭董剛剛已經有委員問過了這個 那為什麼為什麼黃處長 代理處長剛剛有到問完之後就跑掉了是突然有財務危機要回去處理是不是剛剛有沒有到 |
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他剛剛有沒有到場剛才有剛剛有嗎那怎麼我們會還沒結束是這個是我們朝委主席你他幹嘛跑跑什麼有會不好意思嗎因為我看你們講的都是拍胸脯啊沒有問題啊他幹嘛跑還是什麼財務危機要回去處理他這個財務他是代理的他是他是整個兼的這個處長但是他主要的工作呢是在做這個媒體溝通這一部分 |
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我跟你講鄭董事長這個事情我是本來是有點生氣但是我現在更多的同情您年紀這麼大還要在這裡為前朝所做的事情遮遮掩掩你從高鐵公司來要借重你的專業來處理這個事情結果近來不到兩個月也被洗成這種可以睜眼說瞎話的我覺得很奇怪 |
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你們當時去招生啊你們總是要一個要的人才 你們講得對嘛他做新聞沒問題嘛你們當時就要求十年以上的媒體經驗 十年警委來的時候我們當時就接到檢舉嘛 我想說用人是你們的權利 我們也沒有我們覺得他好 那我們也認為你認為他在做委員秘書或者交通部什麼 他也處理新聞算 我們當時一句話都沒有問過 |
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甚至三個人到台鐵公司 當時不是你 |
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面試的時候有兩個都是20年媒體經驗而且是大媒體經驗不用就是我們黃先生進來了所以他是處理媒體的這個部分用了10年如果當時你要求一個人才是10年的財快經驗我告訴你大家閉嘴了沒什麼好講的吧所以你們為什麼還要扯什麼東西呢這個人進來就跟財務一點都沒關係他的學歷也是公共政策我們尊重他的專業嘛 |
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他的公共政策 政府的部分 你為什麼要為他遮遮掩我就請問一下鄭董 再說一下 你高鐵過來高鐵的財快 副總你用的是誰 請說明一下也是這樣子隨便搞的嗎 |
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現在叫什麼請問一下王維仁副總專門負責他的學經理你說一下好不好你才剛從這個公司來你要怎麼知道台鐵高鐵104年105年都快要倒掉了你們是怎麼救起來我還在感謝你們怎麼救起來在救的階段整個包括土地資產整個處理你們要找專業的甚至有兩位董事長當時劉董范董都還是本身是財怪背景 |
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結果你們現在你們高鐵要你們的經驗 什麼經驗王 財快的副總專門的他是台大研畢業畢業的他也是一個集團的財務長才轉過來的你怎麼到這邊我們要你帶經驗過來你居然怎麼會這樣 我這樣同情啊這個人是誰任用的 |
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這個誰認用剛剛喔其實好啦我知道時間到了第一個代理財務處處長整體的薪水當然有增加因為主管家籍增加多少主管家籍增加多少人是一萬一主管家籍增加多少 |
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| transcript.whisperx[365].end |
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講嘛 好嘛 那他整體領到錢 薪水有沒有增加嘛對不對 你們這樣跟部長講說什麼一毛沒有增加 主管家籍啊 都已經領了啊當然有增加 那再來最後一個是你們在這樣的一個用人的一個政策上面我覺得出了大問題鄭董這個人是不是你提拔到財務處處長 |
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9935.377 |
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因為我來以前他已經是在那個位置上面了所以很好嘛所以我最後一個結論也是跟部長說啦這個人是誰提拔上來的你一直看台鐵公司你不用看是伍聖元你派他代理那一兩個月他幹出來的就是你的交通部次長他幹出來他那個階段杜威退了就那一個幾個月的關卡他用了這個人到財務處 |
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我覺得好離譜耶不要忘記台鐵公司化當時三大處理原則第一個就是要處理你們的財務虧損跟危機這個東西我覺得不要開玩笑而且最離譜的是你明明知道這是一個新成立的單位 |
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對不對到目前為止你們已經公司化一年10個月沒有財務處長上網一次一次都沒有這個企圖我告訴你這是很惡劣的鄭董不是在你剛到一次都沒上網什麼叫做外面沒有人才我上網了內外徵徵不到人找代理我覺得這個邏輯是比較對的我希望趕快廣徵人才就像部長你說的好不好 |
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委員你這樣說是很正確的我是覺得應該趕快專業的人才進來好謝謝委員好謝謝接下來再請陳俊宇委員質詢 |
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好謝謝召委我們有請陳部長來陳部長請部長午安委員好部長今天是我們這個全台軌道建設相關進度的一個專報是那我想宜蘭的所有鄉親這個引頸期盼的兩項重大的軌道建設一個是這個鐵路高架還有另外是高鐵延伸那我想就這兩個議題來請教部長 |
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那因為這個宜蘭鐵路高架的部分我們目前就是這個綜合規劃 遲遲沒辦法核定那我們比較擔心的是不是會去影響到這個後續的相關期程的一個進展 |
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那我想在這個8月28號的時候也曾經這個詢問過部長就是針對這個問題那部長當時也有這個回覆我就是會加速來審議那也會爭取在年底前看能不能得到行政院的一個核定那我想這部分 |
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我們在這個下個月有沒有辦法順利來這個提報行政院那也可以在明年順利的來動工這個有沒有機會好 跟委員報告我是不是請鐵道局長先回答好不好好 謝謝委員那個宜蘭鐵路高架我們在部裡面10月9號已經召開過委員會審查 |
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原則上是通過了那我們現在正在按照委員會的審查意見進行報告的修正我們會努力在最短的時間裡面把他呈報到交通部裡面來 那部裡面在後續報行政院來做審議 是 好所以我們盡量趕下個月可以報到行政院 下個月 |
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這部分還是請部長跟局長再幫幫忙這個進度我們會抓另外高鐵延伸的部分高鐵延伸也一樣在現階段應該是在綜合規劃我想請教的是綜合規劃審議還有縣府所提報的相關高鐵特區的規劃是不是已經順利在推進當中 |
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也跟委員報告就是高鐵延伸宜蘭除了環評二結已經在8月份得到環境部的通過之外那綜合規劃報告部裡面其實在7月份就已經召開過審查會議我們最近已經在報這個中規報告到部裡面希望能夠轉成行政院 |
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是好所以這也都在這個期程當中都在期程當中那就拜託部長跟局長那另外就是我們這個鐵道的相關觀光的一個推動這個部分我想請教就是我們現在宜蘭線內還有22個這個台鐵的車站 |
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那這個車站我們在未來鐵路高架之後扣除這個高架之後的這個車站往外推的話應該還有16座那這16座的這個車站相關的這個硬體設備有沒有安排期程來做這個整新這個台鐵公司有做這方面的規劃嗎是 |
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那我們在這個站體的這個美學改造方面是有一個順序的那我們現在目前已經完成了改善的站體的話有羅東還有這個二節還有我們五漁村的五個車站的站體的粉刷都已經完成那另外大理站的這個無障礙跟動線也都完成那 |
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現在目前在積極改善中的有四層站的站體的粉刷項目還有大里大溪外澳及頂埔月台的這個雨雨棚的這個雨遮雨遮的部分也都在這個改善中大概是是這樣好那我還是提醒董事長因為早期所建置的這些車站 |
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以現在的這個觀點來看有一點不服實用有一些車站裡面沒有廁所 |
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有一些車站當然剛剛董事長您也說了我們的一些動線可能已經在改善當中包括建置那個升降梯或是無障礙空間等等那這個都是希望說我們鐵道局這邊我們台鐵公司可以陸陸續續來做這個相關的改善以便捷民眾的這個 |
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方向跟目標來做調整那因為現在看起來這些場站裡面有一些我們這個包括雨遮還有一些後車的空間等等都跟現在比較新型態的這個車站都 |
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完全不一樣啦所以我還是希望說我們是不是可以循序漸進針對這些場戰來做這個相關空間的改善是的我們會按照剛才這個委員所提的幾個大方向那麼來研究改善好這董事長這再拜託你那另外最後一個問題我想請教因為在宜蘭這邊我們有這個海豐號可是海豐號在11月9號之後 |
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這個因為氣候的因素他就要往這個新竹跟台中方向去移動那這一段期間變成宜蘭這邊的這個觀光列車就沒有了那我們這個台鐵公司這邊有沒有規劃其他的這個觀光列車的 |
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跟委員報告我們是想說把這個明日號 明除號那目前並沒有在這個宜蘭這邊境內我們想打算來跟研究加靠大理或者也礁溪這兩個非常重要的景點好 這我們期待啦就拜託董事長好 謝謝局長 謝謝局長好 謝謝接下來請許智傑委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席我們請部長好 陳部長請委員好 還有那個台鐵董事長 鄧董事長請抱歉 我還在喘說喘著 好好 謝謝部長那個 |
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台鐵在我們空中奉承 上一次有講到2026年除馬的年終啦 年終車站一樓那邊會先啟用 觀光便當工廠這樣然後之後後續分區再陸續做規劃這個沒問題啦 |
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跟委員報告我們這個已經過去跟設計師過去那個探勘過了我們會按照這個期程希望在明年六月以前能夠完成一樓能夠來營業謝謝我是再侃奉一次啦因為怕那個董事長如果時間沒有掌握好再拖到時間特別提醒董事長那也請部長一起關心好這個都在進度上我們會努力 |
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那另外就是說當然二三樓的規劃我是希望說可以盡量快一點因為就是要比照最壓性幹線要自己經營那開始有一些不一樣的概念所以就是說其他的地方創生活動跟鐵道物管等等那部長您可以看左邊這張圖是 |
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這張圖是跟那個董事長這張圖是那個我們高雄那個Black Pin那全部你看我們本來是六大景點就把它變成粉紅色或是粉色系列的點亮然後那個中鋼人家也很主動你們高雄點亮這個粉色系列我們也來點亮 |
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那我就看到說 那我們鳳山車站以前曾經有這樣子一個可以點亮的那個但是那時候卻沒有亮這一次沒有 這一次沒有意思是這一次沒有加入 對那我要提醒的就是說現在 我們已經改名了嘛 對不對不是 公司化 但是還沒民營是國營公司化啦 就是開始要有那個民營的概念嘛 |
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然後就跟那個應變要快嘛所以就是說這個城市的訊息其實有時候我們主動去match不一定要單人來跟我們通知說你們鳳山車站要點粉紅系列的嗎我們自己就要想到了 |
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我們這次有配合的是高雄車站高雄車站有配合對啦我的意思就是說是不是像這個這是他們拜託我們配合我們當然會配合對跟委員報告就是說這個系列這個系列的活動是高雄市政府主動提出來那跟台鐵也有接洽當時他們提出來就是高雄車站所以我們高雄車站就配合我知道我的意思是說那我們可不可以主動一點說我們鳳山車站也配合 |
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部長了解我意思嗎 了解了解就說有時候我們如果站在公務員的心態就是說我們現在公司化開始那個思考點要開始慢慢的更活化那就是說我們本來只有高雄車站他們希望變成pink的系列那我在高雄還有豐山車站站得這麼漂亮 |
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現在大家都在質疑說都還沒營運是不是我們也會替豐山車站也宣傳一下啊我剛剛這張圖部長你看這張圖跟董事長這張圖是我們本來就有的我們其實只要說你在跟我講高雄車站的時候我跟你說我豐山車站一起它就六大地標變成七大地標那對豐山車站的宣傳會不會有幫助 |
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我就講說這個軌道經濟其實是我們變成化被動為主動就是說在我高雄車站周遭的商圈周遭的運輸系統周遭的旅宿景點美食等等的就變成說我高雄車站用這個角度去這叫軌道經濟嘛我可以活化車站周遭的做一個套裝的行程 |
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那這樣子你那個生意才做得起來這次高雄車站也沒有飆出去啊那就是說我們那宿客就是都沒錢拿去做一個結合那包括鳳山車站也一樣我一直跟 那次也跟董事長報告就是說我們鳳山車站離我們的鳳山捷運站那一塊路啦走路也要一段時間啦但是你如果把那個 |
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我整個從鳳山車站走曹公路 走曹公廟 走曹公郡 走中華商圈就到捷運了你現在如果用一個套裝行程或是做一個文化步道對不對這個就是附近一起帶動包括曹公郡那邊我們也在那邊辦假日市集嘛中華商圈這裡我們也會辦山圈活動也就是說我們本來在台鐵的角度就是說 |
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我就是我 白人就是白人現在就說我跟白人 要怎麼臨座會 大家坐在旁邊所以我是再跟部長跟那個董事長再拜託一下就是說這個角度應該是可以去做一個改變就像那個日本我們看那個日本無人車站那個化身民宿 |
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其實我之前也提過就是說鐵道秘境跟六都風華我整個六都六都要怎麼樣去加強我六都的一個商圈的軌道經濟的結合那因為我台鐵升到很多比較鄉村的地方 |
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很多鄉村的地方有可能它多人或是車頭,現在就比較落寞或是比較舊,但是其實它可以結合一些景點,然後結合民宿,變身變成一個景點的一個旅宿的所在。類似那個社會住宅,社會住宅就是政府處理公辦的租屋比較便宜, |
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這樣年輕人才有大腿嘛你如果是所有這些鐵道秘境所有的台鐵道的車站如果有機會可以的正好也可以附近的景點配合得上我就可能做這樣子的規劃不是有一種活化嗎我不知道部長對這個觀念 |
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能不能接受委員這個觀點很好但是台鐵現在剛公司花一年多的時間我們當然是優先先處理安全的部分還有服務的部分那另外針對行銷的跟資產活化等等這方面確實是要更加強那我們未來也期望台鐵公司可以補充這方面的人才因為過去的台鐵在台鐵局的時代是不會有這個想法 |
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那現在公司化之後確實是有一些比較餘裕的空間可以爭取這方面的人才進到公司來來協助這方面的規劃所以現在其實台鐵也有一個多角化經營的部門嗎是 我們是有一個附屬事業的部門還有另外一個資產開發的部門附屬事業跟資產開發對那附屬事業就是我講的就是要多角化對不對我們現在主要還是以便當這個 |
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的為主著那去做這方面的當然不排除做其他的多角化首先便當我們還是肯定啦便當事實上台鐵便當是現在做得還不錯那也謝謝就是台鐵便當的觀光工廠決定住竹鳳山這個我們也感謝那我的想法就是說其實 |
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以整個鐵道其實上就是我剛提到的六都風法結合六都的景點鐵道秘境創造我們自己鐵路的秘境好的景點事實上這個思考可以多一點這樣子不要等到安全那個是最重要但是不是什麼事情我等到安全全部做好以後再做下一樣現在那個平行處理很強應該要同步進行在這一方面多做加強 |
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好 謝謝委員好 謝謝那我再強調一次第一剛才講了明年年終啦那個時間我希望說那個部長跟董事長可以把它keep好好 謝謝好 謝謝接下來再請陳雪森委員質詢 |
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政委員好辛苦了我在交通委員會十幾年了我大概讚美你是讚美最多的 |
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從你在立榮當總經理總市長一直到現在到高鐵那這次你從高鐵掉到台鐵來我不曉得是我們哪個長官沒電了嗎把你調過來對不起部長不是講你不知道誰沒電了把你調到台鐵來可能是你在高鐵的表現太好了轉虧為盈我們在公司化整個過程 |
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你這邊當總經理嘛是不是後來董事長這個過程我都歷歷在目看在眼裡因為我在交通委員會非常久了那你去台鐵當然你表現很好可能給你更重要的任務我想我們這個年紀能夠替國家社會做點事也是很光榮的一件事情所以我一直勉勵你就是鼓勵你 |
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這個不要因為薪水多少錢多少而妨害了你的心境你過來以後我發現有人跟我反映說高鐵的便當不如台鐵高鐵的便當他的商務商不如台鐵部長你回去好好檢討一下好不好高鐵那麼高的票價如果便當輸給台鐵的話未免也太丟臉了嘛對不對這個注意一下好不好 |
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另外台鐵你上任以後敬老措施我看了日本很多的影片他們敬老非常的好銀髮族很多現在高齡社會坐火車去玩去哪裡我覺得董事長你可以跟觀光署 |
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各縣市政府尤其花蓮台東縣政府可以合作推出這樣的列車定位每一站每一站每一站你們把這些老人還有小朋友親子活動帶去玩然後從那邊再帶回來你一站一站的每一個列車我想都會客滿你不但可以對這些老人對這些家庭的活動有些注意而且對台鐵的收益 |
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那可以說也是一個幫助所以台鐵我希望你去那邊以後業務蒸蒸日上當然台鐵跟公路總局機必成科很多去的人這不是一個好位置去的人責任負擔很重我想我在交通委員會特別跟您勉勵我們共勉好不好謝謝委員的勉勵我也全力以赴 |
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你要加油了好不好那你的便當尤其希望更精進 我在交通委員會每次中午吃飯你問那個後面的小姐吃飯那個如果不是台鐵便當我都搖搖頭我就走了我沒興趣所以我也拜託主任秘書這邊交通委員會主任秘書都供一些台鐵便當我們交通委員會你看所有那麼多單位都沒有單位提供便當的 |
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連我們召委你看都點頭成事是不是台鐵便當一個禮拜起碼兩次好不好我們也給鄭董免利好不好謝謝委員給我們的加油鄭董你請回我請召委拜託交通部陳部長 |
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謝謝部長昨天是總諮詢是馬祖大橋啊我想你也聽到了嘛有我昨天站在院長旁邊你講說公文給我我到現在回去查還沒收到你說他360億是那360億就360億那院長也講了那既然如果是360億的話那就360億嘛那你也看到360億的公文嗎 |
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公文我沒看到但是他們給我的資料是這樣子的數字沒關係啦 這個不重要那主要就是編列預算編列預算啦我在台北市是負責編列預算的審查預算的我對預算非常了解他編預算 上預算的過程有過程的 有程序的院長也講了 既然技術沒問題 經費沒問題那麼就開始編列預算嘛 |
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那編列預算你要先開會啊今天公路總局局長沒有來啦今天是台鐵的巡達嘛那你回去告訴一下公路總局好不好我們從下個月開始請他 |
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起碼就因為院長到昨天為止沒有講說不行喔準備要上預算了因為已經7年了未免也太長了一點了對已經7年了可是這個要等院合定他們的合定還沒下來合定合定嘛你們存繼續走啊你們一團死水的嗎共同擺在那個地方擺了8年100年啊 |
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你不要連那個什麼秦始皇的墓最後被找出來你們還沒搞出來啊進度都有在走啊但是就是現在在等最後核定那你弄嘛到底怎樣嘛是不是你說陳學生委員在追啊好我希望你們下個月開始不管有沒有核定每個月召集一次會議我想我去參加不太方便你們按照程序歷史關係找行政院找 |
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不是行政院 交通部這邊找林鄉縣政府每個月開一次匯報 好不好 每次開一次匯報到明年四月份 把它訂出一個方案來然後因為明年的預算是今年上 後年預算是明年上那明年上預算之前你們一定內部有個討論 |
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有個決定嘛 行政院有個程序嘛是不是 行政院程序批了以後你們才上得了預算不然你上不了預算嘛 對不對現在是沒有辦法上預算 對所以我是說你從現在開始 已經十月份時間也不多喔 禮拜五很長喔現在十月 過去就十一月了十一月 十二月 一月 二月 三月五個月時間把這個事情搞定搞定以後咧要簽給大院 行政院 |
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給時間核定以後你四月份我們主計人員才能夠把這個預算編進去才能上預算那你要整編嘛然後七八月份預算送到立法院來審議我一定要看到我沒看到的話說真的我已經發怒了我昨天講了我已經按耐我一直按耐我不是沒有脾氣的人你們可能看我陳雲仁沒有脾氣好欺負 |
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不要這樣嘛不會啦 沒有人敢欺負你這樣不好好不好不會不會然後或是有些錢我常常聽到說給綠不給藍我希望沒有這個事啦不好啦我們聯江其實也幫很多忙委員應該都知道我其他有一些預算你看你現在即使財化法給我錢我還是不夠嘛還是不夠嘛你7億多你給我22億好了我多17億不夠一般補助款跟跟那個計畫型的補助嘛 |
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你拿到一些錢擺在那邊爛尾樓嗎不可能所以我想部長你了然於衷這個錢不夠的補助款跟計畫型的一些補助款你還是要補足給我們好不好我會看到時候主總他的原則主計總署他的原則他給的原則給我們之後該協助連江該協助馬祖我們一定會全力來協助金門110億澎湖7 80億馬祖22億他們吃得油油的我們沒有 |
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然後這個修法提案是我提出來我是忍辱負重把離島的問題2.5%的問題把它解決把這問題解決雖然300多億才化法剩下300多億那其中有220億是金馬鵬的那臺灣的部分剩下100多億那我不管他你把分子分母的問題把它解決以後其他的臺灣平均怎麼分別按照程序去處理 |
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那我们不够的部分请部长你告诉所属单位没有什么给绿不给蓝的如果这样我会发怒好不好不好也会影响到我们蓝军对省预算的态度我们有足够的经费的时候对于地方政府能够协助的我们的态度都会尽量来协助你不能房子盖了一半你不给钱所以以前是地方政府要回馈10%现在是40% |
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40%我們哪有這個錢所以部長你答應我就是這個麻煩大家的事情下個月開始啟動院長昨天講的很清楚了我想你也聽到了對啦啟動開會這個沒問題要開會但是你說要編預算我們要等到沒有你要開會開會沒問題開會你開會怎麼樣我要知道我們就一個月好不好你開會讓我知道好不好好沒問題我們找聯交縣政府一起來開會因為我們那個抓委規定很嚴格 |
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沒超過30秒就按鈴一次這個交通委員會從來沒這樣我當召委都讓他多講10分鐘可以多講他就不讓我講了後面兩個委員在看好了 後面何市長在催了 謝謝謝謝委員好 謝謝陳雪生委員我們也是一視同仁感謝來 接下來再請何新淳委員質詢 |
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好 謝謝洪門凱召委 我們請部長來 陳部長請 |
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部長好在進入今天的這個專欄報告的主題之前我還是很關心這個未來台中市的一個大眾運輸系統那牽涉到的是當然最重要的是捷運那捷運現在綠線 |
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營運中藍線要動工那還有的是藍線要延伸到屯區太平那一段我記得在上一屆考察的時候上一個部長李孟彥理部長曾經承諾藍線延伸到屯區太平的這一段希望跟現行的藍線能夠並岸 |
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然後分階段施工這個部分我想部長也一定會支持因為我知道這個要先由台中市政府提出它的規劃那我記得台中市政府有提出我只是希望部長 交通部這邊可以允諾能夠加快速度來協助第二個是局限局限現在的進度如何 |
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局長局縣部裡面其實已經轉成到行政院那現在是在補一個促參的審查程序當中那需要多久的時間以你的經驗這個不會很久因為促參審查目前這些軌道建設案子來看的話通常都沒有這樣子的一個可能性 |
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沒有什麼樣的可能性就是民間參與不會有促餐的問題但是他們還是要我們補這個跟他講說不會發生OK 好 要講清楚這個滿快的要講清楚這個話要講清楚那我們希望中央要全力協助因為菊縣它還有往北我們希望延伸到清水還有我們希望從崇德那一邊延伸成一條紅線進豐原 |
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那他往南是到霧峰也是屯區那甚至南投也希望能夠延伸到南投草屯之類那這個東西當然是要一步一步但是我希望的中央都能夠協助進度可以快一點有效率不要讓地方政府都認為說中央在卡地方部長這個你應該可以承諾答應中央從來不會去卡地方 |
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好 所以希望未來如果是我主政中央一定要盡全力來協助那我地方也會跟中央好好配合用最快的速度是 那接下來我就要談今天的主題這個車站的一個安全管理問題我想 |
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竹北台中火車站都有所謂的遊民的問題那遊民當然是需要好好的來處理而且必須跟地方政府 社政單位好好的合作那這是一個問題那台北車站曾經爆發過這個砍人案那這個是一般的旅客某個男生持刀攻擊那這樣子的一個暴力事件 |
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讓我們對車站的安全管理真的是有疑慮所以這不僅也是影響到旅客包括台鐵自己員工的安全這也就是今天為什麼召我來安排這一個專案報告也是希望部長跟我們台鐵在各個各地的一個車站的安全管理的部分可以再更加強那如何強化夏業我想除了剛剛那兩個例子也曾經發生公然性侵酒醉 |
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這樣子的一個不幸事件那包括我們基隆站曾經發生過站務員長期遭騷擾遭遊民騷擾那台鐵工會基於為自己的權益跟安全曾經提報甚至希望交通部台鐵這邊能夠加強如何強化管理那這個部分部長雖然我有看到你們的簡報就是你們的這個 |
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這個會議的這個回應但是我還是希望你能夠再告訴我說我們如何的可以來預先防止甚至能夠周全的保護保障旅客跟我們台鐵員工的一個人身安全的問題 |
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是 報告委員當然跟鐵路警察的合作我們當然要更密切啦那也一直拜託他們能夠協助那另外針對保全的人力我們也會開始來盤點我們現在保全的人力保全的制度是如何我們現在有保全的人力只有在台北車站有高雄車站很像也有高雄車站也有台北跟高雄其他都沒有對 其他的目前是還沒來 不然請董事長請董事長來回答 |
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各位報告我們目前的保全是人力是很少的只有台北跟高雄還有另外一個寧若那邊有一個小車站寧若小車站因為沒有人沒有車站沒有人所以我們派了一個 |
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下午的時候還有一個保全在那邊出入所以這個保全我們幾乎是很少人那我們現在以台北站這一次有打算加強嗎有打算再跟保全公司簽合作簽契約再加強人力嗎 |
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有的我們在台北站就是這樣目前我們在11月以後我想我們先比台北站這個來做那其他的車站那麼人力這個旅客眾多的部分的話我們也會思考那是不是有增加這個保全的能力董事長這樣子的回答其實我不滿意不要用思考兩個字而是要好好的趕快進行評估 |
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如何調整目前已經在盤點當中也在評估當中而且我覺得不應該只有臺北 |
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台北車站當然是我們的首都是我們的門面人流量大但是其他車站的安全也很重要以台中車站來講我們地方反映很多次包括台中市的議員也在議會裡面希望地方政府的設政單位或者是警政單位可以跟我們車站合作台鐵合作好好的管理因為台中火車站這個大車站計畫 |
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中央支持了 我們蓋得這麼漂亮了但是呢 圍管的人力嚴重不足啊 |
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所以常常發生不管是由民皆有的亂象或者是我們剛剛講的安全的問題這是一個開放性的空間四面八方都有可能進來不確定因素不安全的份子那你跟我說我們有鐵路警察沒錯但是我剛剛聽到有其他委員在質詢這件事的時候 |
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部長也說要跟內政部警政署那邊溝通他們的鐵路警察的人力編制也嚴重的不足那如果以我們正規的鐵路警察的人力就編制不足那還要跟警政署討論那我們自己現在可以做的就是自己台鐵公司裡面如何在保全這個區塊來強化 |
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我覺得這個不是只有台北需要台中也很需要我們跟地方政府有沒有合作過台中我們也很熟悉但是管轄的範圍其實我覺得大家要稍微釐清一下在站體裡面當然就是台鐵公司這個沒有問題但是我們所看到的整個台中車站大部分的外圍的管理單位其實是台中市政府 |
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包含環保的部分 包含社政的部分包含治安的部分其實我們都會跟台中市政府你們現在有固定的一個聯繫會議來討論這件事嗎 |
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台中站現在目前是沒有的是嘛我會建議兩項一項就剛剛董事長提到的保全人員的徵聘那保全公司的這個所謂的治安維護計畫的強化這個我覺得台鐵公司現在馬上就可以做得到而且希望不只是台北車站也不是只有高雄車站我希望像台中這個也是一級的大站 |
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我覺得這是要盤點也一定要做的這第一個建議也希望部長你應該是OK承諾台鐵公司可以做嗎 董事長因為他們現在正在盤點當中台中要做嗎要不要納入規劃我們來評估 |
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拜託納入評估跟規劃好不好好這第一件事第二件事情我建議我們台鐵公司主動是不是跟地方政府能夠有一個橫向的聯繫的一個專案也好小組也好會議也好就是要有一個機制我們自己車站站體內我們如何管理那站體外如部長所講的是屬於地方政府 |
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我們又該跟社政環保相關的單位如何大家一起合作我們希望能夠在 |
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安全人權的考量之下能夠解決跟改善好不好各位委員報告我剛才澄清一下台中車站這邊我們在每一個禮拜的禮拜一到禮拜五就清潔的部分我們就跟台中市政府有一個合作在討論清潔的部分 |
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但是在這個遊民這一部分我們現在也臨時有必要的時候我們召開一個臨時會議那麼來處理這個問題我建議主動啦我覺得這個是一個很專業的問題它是一個社政單位的一個專業的一個問題希望能夠跟台鐵合作我們再強調一次在安全跟人權跟大家的權益的考量之下能夠找出一個方法 |
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來好好管理跟改善啦不然我常常聽到有跟我講說台中飛車頭去到這裡是國際級的怎麼呢這個周遭的環境呢卻是讓人家覺得好像不符合一個國際城市該有的一個面貌我們會跟台中市政府加強聯繫好所以再拜託好不好好 以上謝謝好 謝謝謝謝 |
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好 接下來再請李博義委員接受鐵道局長鐵道局長局長請你好 |
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謝謝 局長我最關心的幾件事情趕快快速的講一下高鐵聯通道 聯通高雄捷運的聯通道上週使者董事長來這裡說可能要明年才能動工那這些經費的問題請問一下交通部現在可以解決這個經費的問題嗎 |
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我跟董事長有做過溝通我想經費應該不會是執行這個案子的障礙很好 謝謝第二個台鐵立體化在我高雄從這個左營站新左營站到橋頭這一區一共接近12公里那目前有那個TSMC跟橋頭湯廠的問題那我們會增加兩站包含青浦站跟TSMC |
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請問一下我們這個可行性評估通過之後接下來的程序鐵道局這邊可行性研究如果奉行那邊核定就會由鐵道局接續辦理綜合規劃好接下來最重要捷運子線的可行性評估那現在已經到因為捷運子線還是這一任內最重要最重要的工作我想要請部長上來一下 |
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部長我剛剛講的台鐵跟高雄捷運的連通道然後還有台鐵的這個立體化那接下來捷運子線其實都需要交通部的支持那捷運子線它從TSMC高鐵橋頭科學園區還有高雄的幾所大學還有包含這個醫學中心可以整個連接起來那目前因為這個 |
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因為這個高雄市政府他還在做這些可行性的評估那我們希望昨天我們交通部有開初審會議我們希望可以跟台南一樣可以趕快來核定好 我們會趕快來雖然這個財化法讓地方政府多了很多經費但是對於高雄市來講 |
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要用這個分配的比例來完成捷運直線是非常非常困難的那希望部長在上次回應的時候有講到我們會依據這個國家整體分布的狀況國家整體發展的狀況那我們可以對高雄有多一點點的支持 |
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是跟委員報告只限的部分我們全力來趕昨天已經召開初審會議了後面的會議我們會盡量協助地方政府速度加快那第二呢針對捷運未來的發展我覺得有可能會針對整體的預算去做調整因為財化法的這個因應那我們會針對幾個原則財化法對高雄市很不公平的所以對於財政級距比較 |
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落後的縣市我們的補助就會多一點這一方面 二方面是針對過去政府曾經補助過捷運建設的比較少的我們也會希望多一點那高雄也是相對捷運還不算前面比較算落後的這個縣市所以我們的補助也應該會相對多一些對 我們需要錄網最後一個問題那BREADPIN在上個禮拜在高雄 |
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高雄的這個私運組團管站其實在去年高雄市政府捷運局就有跟鐵道局跟交通部來申請就是我們的這個 |
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炸藍 炸門的部分那從R17到R24你可以想像4萬人那可能有一半以上的人必須要搭乘捷運那個管控是非常嚴重的那在昨天又發生了一個在都會公園站它有一個落軌的事件然後希望交通部可以趕快來審慎來評估這一個補助能不能趕快讓高雄的這個捷運的這個炸門 |
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是 跟委員報告過去是沒有這樣子的補助案例但是我們可以跟高雄市政府大家來討論看看我也請鐵道局研議看看有沒有這樣的可能性我們在後續來研究好 謝謝好 謝謝委員謝謝好 接下來請鄭天才委員質詢 |
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主席有請部長好 陳部長請謝謝部長好首先先謝謝我們鐵路集在這次這個馬太安溪淹塞浮潰壩造成這個非常大的災情這個台鐵這個主動 |
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這個提供這個進站證明因為人太多了就是到各個出站以後再去去去購票所以這個部分是要特別謝謝尤其是在這段時間這麼多人這麼多的志工都可以這個相關的這些新治強號比如馬號都可以提供站票的服務 |
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包括當然這個有的都站到這個台北都有所以這個部分是要先謝謝我們台鐵我們看接下來之所以之所以台鐵能夠繼續運作而沒有像買馬太安溪的公路橋樑這樣子就是因為這個光復隧道台鐵河底 |
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光復川越馬太安溪下方的一個河底隧道所以真的是要敬佩當時的是44年前1981年啟用的單線的隧道那時候開始了而在2013年這個 |
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改為雙軌的隧道這個雙軌的隧道是另外開的不在這個1981年的那個部分對我知道所以這個部分是現在有兩個隧道在那裡對所以1981年的單線的隧道是目前是沒有在使用中是沒錯談這個部分最主要也就是馬太安溪橋 |
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這個橋已經被沖毀了然後現在跟這個河底幾乎是沒有多大的這個落差所以這樣的一個情形之下這個上次我這個陪同院長去這個聽起你們這個公路總局的簡報的時候是你們有另外一個方案 |
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這個部分這個也提供給交通部公路總局去參考這個是河底隧道的公路隧道的可行性這個應該列為一個很重要的一個評估所以這個部分是一個請這個交通部部長跟公路總局的專業人員當然可以跟這個鐵路局 |
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到底他那個198幾年那個44年前蓋的那個是不是還可以用所以這個部分都一併去這個善用相關的這些資源好我們看這個宜花東地區鐵路設施安全改善計畫本席多次質詢部長還有這個鐵路局這個我也質詢過 |
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這個我們國發會國發會這個在8月7號也質詢了國發會的主委要趕快審議報行政院有關華東地區鐵路設置安全改善計畫這個就是因為0403大地震造成從得到核冷這一段所造成的所以這個部分部長知道進度嗎 |
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跟委員報告 這個進度是不是 我有台鐵公司來這邊說明好不好 但是整個安全設施改善我們陸續都在做整體的計畫即便是還沒過 但是設施改善的部分我們一直都在做明天明天國發會要審議我是不是請陳副總跟您 我來說明明天國發會要審議 明天要大會所以可以入籍 |
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鐵道級你們要做最好的準備跟說明讓相關的部會不要再有意見就趕快報行政院是 我們也希望可以趕快過這麼小的一個路段這要花那麼久啊04 03到現在對不對 |
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這太久了吧真的是非常我常常舉這個例子部長你已經聽了很多次我常常舉北迴鐵路對不對1973年因為也是因為颱風然後就當時的省主席就報行政院 |
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6年就完工了 79.2公里 然後16座隧道而且是這些隧道都是用人工挖的人工挖的 都是農民跟原住民去挖掘這個隧道的所以這個部分要請這個交通部 要請鐵路局 鐵道局 |
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明天一定要跟國發會跟相關的部會好好的他們還有意見要把他說服了趕快報行政院明天總經理會到現場去跟他們報告最後這個主席站起來了這個花東第七鐵路雙軌電氣化的計畫 |
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這個也是很久了一直在修正一直在修正如果是修正的更好那當然沒有關係但是這個要加速已經核定很久了報告委員這個施工中我知道一直都在做我知道只不過我們要再修訂修正計畫是預算有增加然後那個工期的部分這個我都了解我都有過期我的意思說你們現在課由行政院審議中也是要協調啊 |
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會啦 我們會去協調 但是對於施工沒有任何對的我知道所以我的意思不要影響 包括這個南迴鐵路線型改善及平井路段的雙軌化這個部分也是在行政審議中也是要做最好的說明去說服好不好 好 謝謝好 謝謝鄭天才委員 謝謝 |
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好蘇巧惠委員蘇巧惠委員蘇巧惠委員不在黃國昌委員請咨詢謝謝主席麻煩有請交通部部長台鐵的董事長陳部長鄭董事長請委員好 |
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委員好部長好 董事長好上一次我請教鄭董事長就有關於詐騙廠商拿政府靠的政商關係拿標案的事情其中受害的行政機關滿多的台鐵是列控4.0上次我有問到答案因為之前說還要研議 |
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然後運安會直接說這個安全管理的核心目的不符台鐵原來事實上要暫緩推動可是上次我問說還在研議答案變成暫緩推動我上次是請教鄭董事長說為什麼你們不直接講實話去年年底的時候 |
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那你們 你說你要回去調查那你調查了以後 昨天吧應該是昨天 我不曉得是傍晚還是晚上終於把可能他知道你今天要來被備選如果報告還沒交來的話我一定會在這邊請教董事長所以同仁很辛苦昨天不曉得下午還是晚上終於把報告趕出來 |
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我看完報告我只想跟董事長分享一個心得董事長其實我相信在各方面的經歷都很豐富中文我相信也是非常的鹹酥董事長可以回去看一下我老實說台鐵給我這份報告我完全看不懂我完全看不懂前面說是後續要研議 |
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後面才說要暫緩推動然後我說就是前後矛盾說明不實但是你們把之前講過的東西全部抄一次然後最後的結論是說回應沒有說明不實這個報告董事長你可以回去再看一下因為今天質詢的時間很珍貴 |
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我沒有要在這邊跟董事長去爭論我跟委員報告一下這個來由就是說其實沒錯在113年12月的時候這個安全委員會是決議說按照委員的意見延續延續 |
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那麼到了今年4月的時候委員在質詢這個台鐵的時候那時候的代理董事長就是伍聖元伍次長那他說那時候這個案子還是在研議中在研究中那到了6月25號 |
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我上任以後您在這邊問我是要把這個事情兩個月裡面調查清楚做個報告那我那時候就整個去把這個整個資料包括去年12月的這個整個委員會的資料來看來龍去脈我把它弄清楚我就覺得說這案子不應該再繼續做了所以我就說這時候應該是暫緩推動就是說那時候的整個這案子不再推動是我那時候做的決策決定所以我就那時候跟委員報告 |
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大概是這樣的一個情況沒有關係啊董事長說明過經過就好了啦因為我之前有講過台鐵某個程度上也是被害人因為有大官帶著廠商去台鐵要台鐵搞這個事情結果搞了半天了以後浪費國家一堆資源浪費國家一堆資源 |
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那台鐵因此受害確定沒有再投入無謂的資源在這個根本毫無意義除了肥的那個廠商以外浪費國家幾千萬浪費台鐵一堆人力時間物力以外毫無任何意義的計畫董事長你之前的事情我不會歸咎你你做了這個決斷停止就好了那但是 |
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有一些責任我們還是要講清楚那個台鐵董事長可以請回了接下來請部長相同一個惡質的廠商標到桃園三行下 |
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那當然啦 他是跟晨運汽車合作他是分包商李立但是主要核心的自駕系統是由他負責然後兩個廠商當初一起去投標那投完標了以後 果不其然爛得不得了一樣不能用 一樣不能用那一樣不能用接下來造成桃園三行下整個工程的延誤就已經很嚴重了 |
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那除了很嚴重的以外造成國家的損失總是要賠嘛到現在它總共造成的損害超過1億那這種不能扛納稅人之愷二值的廠商造成三行下工程的延誤我老實說啦納稅人已經付了很慘痛的代價了那因此所造成金錢上面的損失當然是要要回來嘛 |
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那我一直在追那我追結果淘氣給我的回覆是說他們還在研議後續處理的方式我就搞不懂了有什麼好研議的現在是廠商不賠嗎我有點搞不懂 |
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報告委員該追溯的部分我們一定會追溯但我覺得這件事情第一淘擠要先去核算出實際上要追溯的金額現在是1億983萬算出來了那第一步當然要先跟對方用溝通的方式他願不願意賠第二步如果他不願意賠我們當然就要走司法的追溯現在對方願不願意賠這個目前他們還在溝通當中沒有關係那個請部長回去只是淘擠的順便回覆我好不好好沒問題第一個 |
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對方要不要賠第二個錢什麼時候要追討回來其實我只要這兩個答案因為我們在國會監督不希望該討回來的錢因為特殊的廠商不討回來這樣子不好把時間講清楚因為我看這家公司繼續在拿政府的標案一方面拿政府的標案一方面賺政府的錢該賠給政府的不賠我看不懂 |
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我看不懂 我們的政府很慷慨很有錢嗎怎麼會讓他這樣子搞那第三個事情因為這件事情人命關天 給我一分鐘就好了 召委不好意思國道緩撞車事故頻傳我一直說緩撞車事故頻傳因為那天我去台積中開會 |
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我從台中開完會回來了以後我就回來台北結果我那天真的還差點在高速公路上發生車禍我不是開玩笑的差一公尺然後我坐在那邊看我想了非常的久這真的是太危險了因為在內側車道突然 |
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前面有一台車切到外側車道突然有一個燈亮了要煞車要切出去切不出去差點就撞上然後結果我才發現說裡面原來有工程車要施工有工程車要施工這是必然會發生的事情那我那天晚上其實回到家以後就是餘悸猶存啊我就一直在思考說 |
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是我的感覺比較特殊還是這種事故發生過很多次所以我就去查了結果我發現兩年間這個移動性內車道施工完全就是我所遇到的狀況來 部長看一下數字它的數字是126件126件現在不是一件不是兩件 |
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不是個位數是126件跟其他型態的一比較內車車道的緩撞車他發生事故非常非常的頻繁非常非常的頻繁那我看到這個數字以後我非常的驚訝因為這個數字對比部長一看就知道了移動性內車道的施工的緩撞車撞上的數字高於其他類型的 |
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其他類型的幾乎都個位數了不起十幾件這個是126件這後面一定有原因所以我又繼續去查了說那有沒有之前類似的是不是因為他們開ADAS輔助駕駛的系統沒有認真好好開車所以撞上去但是我看了分析的比較 |
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也不是這個狀況因為有很多他是沒有去用輔助駕車系統也就是真人在開的跟我那天晚上遇到的狀況一模一樣比例啊非常非常的高在這樣的情況之下顯然 |
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這絕對不是個案這一定是系統性的因素那因此我把相關的規範全部講完了全部都看完了以後我最後看到運安會的建議運安會也注意到這件事情了 |
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強化移動性內側車道施工之交通管制設施佈置的方式也就是你們現在佈置的方式我在圖上面顯現出來了 相關的規範我大概都看了但問題是你們現在這個佈置的方式運安會 |
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去參佐外國在內側的車道移動性的車輛施工佈置的方式以後提出具體的建議提出具體的建議說我們目前交通管制設施佈置的方式及施工的警示必須要更周延以利駕駛人用路的安全那這件事情我只想問一件事就是說依照運安會的建議高工局 |
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開始研議改善措施了沒有還是覺得運安會的建議不要聽跟委員報告您的開車經驗跟我開車經驗剛好有類似啦我自己也有開車在高速公路上面我也看到這個狀況同樣的狀況那數據上我們也有研析過確實這個緩撞車我們當時設置緩撞車是為了要保護前面的施工人員因為過去施工結果都撞到緩撞車 |
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對 後來都撞到緩撞車也跟委員報告當然時常有這個事故是非常不好而且必須要避免的所以修正的部分我們已經在研議了因為我之前開車也遇到這個狀況需要多久大概兩三個月之內我跟高工局長也討論過該怎麼樣去做改善這個部分我們已經在做了就是說緩撞車怎麼讓大家更明顯很遠就看得到說我該停車或該換道那目前我自己開車的經驗覺得不夠明顯這個部分我們先來改善 |
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部長我再跟你分享一個經驗今天時間的關係所以我沒有放帶子因為那個行車紀錄器其實影片我截取下來特別是當你前面有一台車的時候那台車發現前面有個緩撞車他趕快切車道就切出去等到他切出去的時候你真的看到的時候真的很有可能會來不及 |
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那不過部長願意承認這個問題的存在也說高工局現在正在研議這個就是我質詢的目的但是我只拜託高工局拜託拜託趕快 |
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真的趕快因為類似的事情我相信每天晚上特別是晚上的時候每天都在發生當中我們不希望造成更多的傷亡我們在幾個月前就已經啟動在討論這件事情了大概再兩三個月我們就會有結論我希望運安會按照外國他們做的方式給的具體的建議該改的規範該改善的部件的方式就要趕快 |
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我不希望啦在這件事情真的完成改善了以後有更多無辜的人因此受到傷亡再拜託交通部再拜託高工局如果可能的話腳步再加快一點這個我們盡快好 謝謝接下來再請謝榮介委員質詢 |
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主席我請博長跟這個體育局好 陳部長跟楊局長請博長台南體育大學的話你怎麼知道投稿要做多久啊對 局長 |
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1999年年前做議長的時候就下定了後到老條件做行政議長再度下定1991年台南市開始推動了1991年 |
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那麼到落市的時候 為了替路燈他怕去氣自己 各個支部要求土法局一個一個去拜訪所以落黨的抗爭那麼之前因為環境差異分析 這個不做 沿途互動這又在落市之前的進展的起點 |
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那麼中盛開工了有些什麼時候要完工?現在我們有的民營可以通車整體完工還要分兩階段明年是第一階段下地台南車站通車那另外新增的車站會在後面一一八年跟一一九年來分別啟用董事長你知道嗎? |
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這個應控到星期到生化這裡永康目前都還在程序當中是可行性研究核定但是進入中規計畫就是設計跟這個規劃的部分會不會再來一個20年我們希望不要這麼久 |
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保證要有霹靂我是都給你額外的給你報告我們當時台南的地下化的過程當中您剛剛講的歷史是確實有發生但有一些是因為我們挖到了歷史古蹟那如果永康這一段沒有挖到歷史古蹟我們當然就可以照鏡讀你現在天羅教跟保雄 壽雄這個台南火車站你們都賠多少錢有賠款嗎 |
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多少 不過現在我手上沒有掌握這個我等一下再瞭解一下 你仲裁的時候輸嘛 總共賠多少錢台南車站會收好了 |
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不知道不知道 我們手上現在沒有掌握資料這樣喔還是是台鐵公司不斷賠錢又輸港幣延長了我們是不是會去做成我們鐵路地下化的市場延後這部分當然已經解決了沒有 我們就是照現在剛剛局長所報告的那個時程我們就照那個下去趕工 |
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所以本席在這裡就是要跟你說鐵路局在這個鐵路當中對台南市是相當相當重要的我也不是在怪老總統冬季時的老市長空檔六檔你覺得做一個什麼事可以給一個工程給我們空檔六檔那個都不是空轉都是有進度在進行他在做的是你在台中做議員你不是在台南 |
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我請問老實說,三、四年來第一年,你有第一年做什麼建設嗎?他認不出來,我說你認啦,你只要做什麼建設,我才是市市議員啦人家說沒有啦,人家是客氣啦,不要給你為難啦結果到四年到一年年的時候 |
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一直第二輪的九七天的跟台南的鄉親說什麼,各位市民鄉親,我是熱情的過去的四年我都在幾月,未來的四年,台南的大進步所以四年的幾月,一樣嘛,鐵路鐵路法,六年的空檔所以本席今天要跟你說的就是說 |
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會變化 生氣會變化 不能讓我們再來一個二十幾宗的這樣對台南市完全沒有幫忙台南市這裡有二十七 三十七的縫合這條鐵路起來所有的這邊高度尤其是在市內 交通最繁忙這個地方可以讓台南市一個特別 中性 |
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那麼這個歷代這麼長變成有20公里的歷代這是可以讓大台南做一個新的城市整個因為這是一個故鄉條件不像你們台中和高雄這麼好所以部長你起來告訴我們分析請教你這件案件可以加速進行 |
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我們會加速進行永康的這個地下化跟您所提到的後面那一段的高架化我們都會加速因為我看林委員所有臺灣市的建設差不多都會進出的這牽棒做的都會進出但是這條進出沒中這條也本身來進出你看很多委員大家都一起來爭取也很感謝謝委員也很努力在爭取我今天第一班會幫你提出 |
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不然這塊你如果今天答應我好要加速來推動 我也可以拆這塊牆壁啊不然他拆整塊地啊 對不對下次進步是大家共同關心的看到現在的鐵路地下滑到未來這條地下高架下滑本身對你有更多的期待我們交通部會努力謝謝委員好 謝謝 |
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好 接下來再請秋洛華委員質詢謝謝主席 有請交通部陳部長還有鐵道局楊局長 楊局長請委員好部長好 局長好 |
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部長 局長本期看到根據交通部提供的資料截至一百一十一年九月桃園鐵路地下化整體進度只有百分之三十三點七十一那原本核定的經費是一千零四十七點九十三億後來修正後暴增到一千八百一十七億那整體增加了高達七百六十九點八億那其中因為營建市場它的波動了那佔了四百零八億都市計畫還有設計審議延誤 |
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佔了110億還有平震段南延工程115億等那這樣的經費膨脹的幅度幾乎是原本的預算的四分之三部長 局長請問這樣是不是算工程當初估算不實還是因為行政審查太慢了所以導致成本外溢請說明 謝謝 |
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跟委員報告我想這兩年大部分的我們軌道建設都有類似的這樣的一個調整那最主要因素當然是市場上對於缺工跟缺料而導致整個經費的增加那剛剛委員也有特別提到因為逃避這個計畫還增加了所謂的平震端的難野 |
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所以還有另外一個就是在督設省的過程當中把原來規劃的一些地面的這個停車場改設為地下所以就增加了我們整個建造的成本是那局長桃園段他的招標段有30標那目前僅完成15標那剩餘的標案要等修正計畫之後他核定之後才能辦理那這樣的行政時程您認為合理嗎 |
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我想目前我們還是按照原來修正的部分就是122年第一階段通車如果能夠順利爭取到行政院的核定的話其實看到的這些標案數我們現在大概最主要差三個主體工程標 |
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其他的十幾個標都是搭配的所謂的系統標 或者是這個後續的這個軌道 基電等等的這個問題所以我們趕快 因為局長本席有發現計畫是卡在中央還有地方協調之間嘛 部長那國發會原則上他已經同意簽成行政院那本席想要和您確認為什麼交通部還沒有辦法確定修正的期程呢我們要等院整個行政院整體核定那我們也在爭取當中我們會跟院這邊來溝通盡量加速 |
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盡量加速OK好那這不只是工程的延宕那是否交通部可以比照因為捷運的重大工程他都有專案管理的辦公室嗎那我們鐵道局是不是也能比照辦理我們每個案子應該都是我們每個案子我們其實是我們自己有內部的這個管理你們有內部的管理那你們多久公開一次呢 |
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公開就是他的進度還有預算應該是隨時每個月都在做更新每個月都有在更新公佈在哪裡在我們的局的官網官網上面可以查閱的到OK好謝謝局長局長先請回那這邊也請我們台鐵的鄭董事長 |
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董事長好根據台鐵114年度的安全管理報告您知道去年整年共發生多少起的行車事故嗎大約行車事故我們去年是包括還有行車異常的事件總共是大大小小就979件 |
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979件 沒錯 那其中行車事故佔了48件嘛 931件是行車異常事件那比112年的時候還上升了27%那其中車輛故障268件他運轉還有保安裝置故障175件 外務入侵是81件那這代表什麼 這顯示內部的維修還有循環能力下降那還有更關鍵的是什麼 就是人為操作錯誤還有設備老化也是其中的原因 |
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那至於台鐵當初說要公司化的初衷要提升管理效率是背道而馳的那董事長您知道嗎在勞動條件工會也有統計有三成的員工每個月都加班超過45個小時也出現了連續執勤14個小時以上您知道這樣的狀況嗎 |
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有的我們有幾件在去年跟今年都有這些意見都有這樣的一個情況是不是可以請董事長說明為什麼台鐵公司化後勞動條件沒有改善反而是惡化了呢 |
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我想這是在基層主管的督導並不是很確實那同仁也沒有說這樣的一個sense所以有這樣的一個違反勞動條件的情況那現在的話我們已經積極的要求來改善這樣的情況除了宣導同仁這樣的一個情況以外也加強這個飢餓的工作 |
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加強集合的工作那台鐵公司你們的報告也有提到113年度辦理你們有辦理43場的安全集合那結案率是73%那也代表還有超過幾百件的風險沒有改善什麼時候可以改善我想我們很努力的在做這個改善的工作希望在年底前我們會在這個集合方面做更多的強化 |
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當然是要努力 這邊也請我們勞動部的副署長副署長好 副署長勞動部有沒有將國營事業排除在高風險的勞檢名單之外請您說明 |
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報告委員我們針對鐵道運輸業列入排檢的那個對象那我們那個近三年針對台鐵實施勞動檢查大概有229場那總共有22場的違反那違反率大概是9.68累計的裁判本身台鐵有沒有在你們重大勞動風險失業名單裡面有那你們多久進行稽查 |
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我們檢查機構會依照這個風險的頻率去做排檢OK好謝謝副署長的說明那再來董事長現在和您討論月台的防護的設施嚴重落後而且你們的AI監控誤判率高旅客的安全目前看起來是靠運氣你們安全報告中全國有242個車站平交道監視器還有防護無線電覆蓋率不到四成那近三年累積的旅客墜軌事件有190件 |
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那平均這樣算起來每週都超過一起那你們的AI辨識系統誤判率高達12%到18%你們要怎麼來做改善 |
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我想這個AI防護這個部分主要就是在編播這一部分因為在去年這個那時候還是在這個系統本身還算是在測試之中所以有很多的這個漏但是現在這個防護的部分已經做好大概99.5%以上的這個可靠度了所以那如果這樣AI誤判然後導致就是旅客還是就是行車的事故或是旅客受傷那這責任歸屬在哪裡 |
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是歸在廠商站務員還是你們還是交通部台鐵公司我想這個都應該歸公司啦所以怎麼講都是公司要負責這個部分那以這一次這個大石頭滾落然後把這個AI的這個防護系統打掉這個纜線這部分的話我們除了說 |
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趕快恢復這個系統以外我們就馬上有做一個緊急的組織就是說在這個情況之下我們馬上要求車輛減速慢行另外請教董事長你們就是只有兩個站務員來監控旅客的安全那這樣的配置你們是依據安全的評估還是人力成本的考量請問兩個監護人員什麼意思就是在你們各大車站的高峰時段每個月台只有兩個站務人員監控旅客的安全 |
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那是在台北這邊是在台北這邊只有兩名這樣子人力夠嗎我們本來是三名那最近就是因為有一位資源到這個台北車站的一樓那現在十一月份以後我們已經把它補齊十一月份以後會補齊所以你們有信心十一月份以後再招這批招聘已經招了對十一月會補齊因為這個保全的人員已經專責來害了 |
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OK好那最後再請教董事長那你們有推動一個高風險車站優先的改善計劃115年底前你們會完成30處的高旅運車站防護系統建置您有把握115年可以完成嗎這30處 |
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法務委員那這部分的話我們現在目前就會按照著計畫來進行那其他詳細的進度會再跟委員來做一個說明OK那也請台鐵公司就是改善AI你們誤判率的系統的問題OK以保乘客的安全好謝謝董事長謝謝委員好謝謝好謝謝接下來再請邱志偉委員自選 |
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感謝主席 是不是請交通部陳部長陳部長請 |
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委員好 部長您好 辛苦了那第一個問題要請教你就是說台日韓基本上已經形成一日生活圈了不管是經濟啦或者觀光啦或者甚至安全啦東北亞變成一個命運共同體也是生活圈的概念你到索爾 高雄飛去大概兩個小時有時候一個半小時就跟我從高雄搭高鐵來台北一樣所以日本大概是台灣最喜歡去的國家 |
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大概每年大概有六七百萬嘛日本也很喜歡來台灣台灣到韓國也大概一百多萬一百二十幾萬那南韓疫情之前也是一百二十幾萬現在大概一百萬左右你看一下日本的做法日本在所有的交通公共交通運輸工具不管是新幹線或者是地方的這些鐵路或者是巴士基本上施予公共 |
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一定有日語日語之後就是英文英文之後就是中文中文就是韓語幾乎不是只有東京都而已幾乎全國都是這樣做我就觀察很多小到地方的巴士都是用韓語 |
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所以我們未來可以更友善的環境如果我們能夠很方便的讓韓國旅客來看到這個交通運輸工具都是有韓文標誌他們也行得比較安心 也比較方便所以未來可不可以去檢討一下最起碼你有日文 你有韓文日本做得到 我們也應該可以做得到 |
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是我們一些重要的交通運具上面我們來研議看可不可以來增加日文跟韓文因為目前看起來只有中文跟英文那標誌上如果可以再增加的話他們就是日文韓文在每個觀光景點都有不僅是公共交通運輸工具最起碼我們重新從我們的高鐵到台鐵 |
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或者長途的運輸巴士 我們是不是可以考量可以 我們來研議看看 那另外就是針對觀光景點 觀光旅客比較會去的地方 日韓客人比較會去的地方 我們也會來增加那另外就是說這個當然我一直希望說 從消防機場出發的這個國際航線比較多的大型飛機因為這個運量的關係 那未來如果新的大型客機交貨的時候 是不是可以優先配置給高雄消防機場 |
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因為香港機場目前最大的主力主要的力量主力機型是A330一台就華航其他就是大概737 800或者是這個NEO321都是小型飛機大部分都是737比較多一樣從香港到成田香港到首爾這個跟從這個松山或者從桃園飛到首爾它的價錢是一樣的 |
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是有時候會比較貴 是所以是不是有沒有可能研究一下我建議是不是能夠與差別為虞你如果在用比較舊的機型在執行這個運載任務的時候是不是價錢方面是不是能夠有些彈性 |
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這個因為他有他的商業運作的模式我瞭解我瞭解但是因為對南部人而言我們這個一樣要花那麼多錢然後做的都是比較小的飛機是是是但委員您在爭取的這個大的飛機我們也有拜託一些航空公司因為明年他們大概會有交機交一波我們大概就會優先拜託他們把那個大的飛機盡量往高雄機場過去是 |
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另外一個鐵路那個捷運的建設您知道這個在高雄我的選區就是捷運的紅線那紅線目前正在進行當中那第一階段已經完成現在就是這個2B 2A跟2B |
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正在施工當中 那因為這個相關的缺工缺料的問題那自來自來水管線的遷移這些問題所以他必須要延後兩年但是交通黑暗池就會再延長兩年 我是建議會增加一些費用因為才是收收方法的關係 中央要有一些的負擔 需要中央協助所以當然可能今天這個發文就會到 |
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交通部 再請陳部長 他的修正計畫我們盡量協助 讓他速度可以加快 就是說中央還需要再給市政府協助10.55億那市政府還要負擔2.8億這部分再請這個部長能夠請 我們會來協助 另外 |
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紫色的 紫線的這個審查的進度也希望能夠督促我們相關單位能夠盡快的把這個進度審查的時程把它縮短好 我們昨天才開過初審會議那時程我會盡量加速好 這個我想這個部長有掌握另外就是陸族車站 陸族車站當然 |
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未來運量一定會增加因為陸族科學園區的關係雖然有未來捷運那捷運要蓋完蓋到陸族也大概也要好幾年以後那現在的陸族台鐵站那相關的樂台的整建也是我整取的也謝謝交通部的支持那現在就是說相關的這個設計啦包括臨時雨遮跟旅客縱限這個部分經費也沒有著落 |
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這地方上有這個需求 就是說臨時的遮蔽的雨遮 動線相關的規劃 是 這個我們請台鐵公司趕快來研議看有沒有經費可以趕快來做改善 對 然後能夠及時啟動 不要到明年再啟動 我們可以從原本的計畫來做調整就好了不用再啟動新的計畫 用原本的計畫來調整 再請部長協助 再請台鐵來協助好 謝謝謝謝委員好 謝謝 |
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接下來 謝謝接下來再請楊瓊瑜委員質詢謝謝主席 楊瓊瑜發言再邀請部長來 請陳部長委員好 |
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部長好 台鐵員工被攻擊的事件頻傳被打 被辱罵 被施壓 甚至被掐脖子那麼在我們文明的國家裡頭有這樣的事件實在是一個恥辱那為什麼我們看不到改變呢因為我們看到數字這些是沒有在減少的 |
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尤其在這半年當中有七成有被這樣子的攻擊事件那我們的招委孟凱招委他非常的關心這個議題所以去年的時候我們也一起開過記者會我們提出了方案希望政府去精進那對於台鐵的站務人員基層員工在執勤時一再也受到了這個恐嚇 |
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攻擊都沒有提出這個有效的方案所以讓問題一直反覆在重演所以我們也要請教你們研議到今你認為會重複接連的發生的原因是什麼請說明 |
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報告委員會一再的發生當然旅客做這樣不理性的事情我們公司台鐵公司一定會站在員工的立場來保護員工那幾個方面一個方面在法律的追溯方面公司也已經有專案了來協助員工在法律上面訴求來保護自己的權益這一方面那二方面我們當然也跟鐵路警察 |
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這邊有來做溝通拜託他們能夠協助在治安的方面因為台鐵公司本身負責營運但是治安的部分還是要拜託鐵路警察這方面來協助另外針對也有員工在討論說要不要裝密錄器來保護員工但是現在有一些員工是覺得不需要這是你之前在說的但是我們認為說絕不允許有任何人遭受這樣的職場對待 |
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這個應該 這個方向是一致的 這個沒有錯那所以呢 過去 過去有發了密錄器有偵派了這個警察來巡邏 保全人力那這些SOP流程 但是問題本席要請教 |
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你所謂的要警察這個鐵路警察來協助那你們到底進度是如何因為我們結果論不希望看到一而再再而三的這個事件來發生比如說我們增加警察的據點台鐵聘請這個保全人員迅速可以把這個治安的死角有所幫助這些啟動你們是不是有在檢討呢 |
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是跟委員報告這些都有在檢討那什麼時候要出來呢什麼時候要出來呢因為數字告訴我們他沒有減少反而增加你們都有在檢討你們的經經方案什麼時候會出來呢跟委員報告跟這個鐵井之間的這個聯繫我們已經有一個共識就是說增加這個鐵井的他用這個跨域的這個方式來增加那個見景率那目前從5月開始已經開始執行了 |
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好那請你們把你們精進的方案書面資料給本席那所以一個結論也就是說今天委員都有提出這個修法對於鐵路法的修法針對於旅客暴力攻擊跟重罰那麼新增強暴 |
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脅迫恐嚇或其他非法的這個方法呢那麼我們要新增了徒刑跟罰金這個方向是不是部長你同意跟委員報告如果是可以保護員工的方向我都會來支持你都會同意那請教上面的強度到哪裡我們還要跟我們這個討論所以方向是一致那請教行政院會有版本嗎 |
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你會有願版嗎我們目前沒有研議版本你看 你們為什麼不研議民眾這麼迫切關注的所以你必須要去研議這本席跟你建議接下來本席要跟你討論的我們台中高鐵特區114年1月8號我在這裡 |
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又質詢我說我們的這個高鐵增加北站的這個北台中的這個站那麼當時呢市長到這邊來質詢他同意要去這個評估那現在評估的進度怎麼樣呢台中的北站對評估的進度如何呢 |
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跟委員報告 台中高鐵的你們是答應說你們要去評估 你點頭我們有做過評估就是說就技術上評估方向出來了嗎就技術上來說目前要在高鐵營運中的路線新增車站有系統上技術的困難 |
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沒關係你把你們評估因為本席絕對會在追蹤我們所提出的方案那你們評估出來應該要將你們的評估報告不管是如何要送請要給我們為什麼不給呢你們什麼時候評估出來評估出來了嗎那這個是正式在交通委員會評估了沒有 |
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出來了沒有有評估那你把評估的順便交給本席所以請你們也要好好努力那接下來本席要問部長2700萬人次在進駐一年在台中站那你交通部針對國一新增閘道連結高鐵特區你們怎麼協助呢 |
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你們怎麼協助這個目前可行性研究的這個費用我們有請這個鐵道局跟我們當時有標到這個要發展這個地區的那個廠商請他們補助給台中市那目前也已經補助給他是多少錢700多萬還是廠商補助700萬給台中市做整體規劃 |
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那這個國一新增閘道的部分是由鐵道局補助給台中市政府他們也已經在辦理另案的這個可行性研究評估當中預計下個月就可以提出報告下個月提出報告因為台中市政府要提出報告所以部長你也台中來的你也擔任過我們的市議員 |
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高鐵特區是鐵道局台中市政府努力的在協助所以我要求我們交通部一定好好的要來努力接下來我本期要跟你討論台74線預留新街的閘道我們當時在興建的時候74線已經有預留已經有預留有這個銜接口 |
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那現在每天都在篩你當時就已經有預留了你應該就不用再評估了就趕快迅速加強它的改善措施抱怨當時的計畫已經結束了所以現在台中市政府必須提出它的評估需求好 你說它的什麼改 結束了 |
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之前我們的高鐵的那個站的建設的計畫已經結束了建設的計畫結束了但是當時你有預留這個銜接口對不對所以交通部你應該要好好的來協助你來自台中 |
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我們都有在協助但是台中市政府該走的程序他要走台中市政府努力的在走他沒有在走怎麼沒有在走他要來提要求他努力的在走我們委員也不斷在會堪他的程序上必須要走所以我在這邊慎重的建起要求一定要好好協助因為現在我們知道在台中高鐵特區那裡每天塞的很嚴重對不對 |
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每天塞得很嚴重所以最後我還是要請這個部長你如果是台中市的當時你是議員你全力的也來推動我們的捷運對不對那現在你照法定規定我們的補助照分配你明年要給我們42億委員這不是照規定這完全沒有照規定這個完全沒有照規定 |
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來 你現在只有用財化法來做藉口所以你本來要給我們40%而已你現在大砍96%你中央只要給1.61%我相信如果你還是台中市議會你絕對不同意對不對所以我希望你現在更身為台中你現在更是交通部長 |
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你更應當要支持台中的交通檢測如果台中的需求是60億他自己要編40億中央是20幾億結果他要求中央出40幾億這是不公平的如果沒有如此怎麼會有這個數字出來委員細節您都不瞭解怎麼不瞭解你好好去審思該當協助的尤其你來到台中你更應當要好好協助好不好我們都在協助好 就你這句話一定要好好協助 謝謝謝謝委員 |
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謝謝接下來請陳瑩委員質詢謝謝主席 麻煩請交通部長陳部長請 |
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部長好部長辛苦了那我想在上次總質詢的時候因為時間的關係沒能好好在比較細部的討論這個整個花東跟南回鐵路雙軌電企劃的事情那我想我再確認一下就是因為這個花東地區雙軌電企劃這件事情其實本席在2008年的時候就曾經質詢當時的行政院長劉兆璇跟交通部長毛志國那 |
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大家也都非常積極的在規劃這件事情那原本的期程是七年後來在本席的要求之下那評估之後呢改為五年那在這次的總質詢我在 |
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那時候有提到那聽到部長的答覆說現在的工期要變成10年我當下有點嚇一大跳那因為這是你們目前的施工進度那這個第三階段的這個甘城到壽峰還有東里到關山還沒有發包那這個部分部長就是說有回答預計2031年 |
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完工我想再請教一下因為已經對這次在送計劃已經算是第二次的這個變更了第一次修正那到底就是說這個期程就是說到底行政院什麼時候可不可以核定什麼時候核定 |
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報告委員其實這個工程也不管修正有沒有過我們都在進行當中所以我們的第一階段就是116年12月這個沒有問題應該是做得到那我們第二階段第三階段我們目前也正在趕當中對那所以因為預計2031年完工這個部分還會有變數嗎 |
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我們朝這個方向在努力不過跟委員報告因為這幾年我們在花東的交通建設其實也蠻多的所以其實我們營造的量能是我們目前遇到最大的問題如果營造的量能充足我們當然這個時程上應該不會有問題 |
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好那但因為目前還沒看到核定的部分所以是今年整體的計劃核定沒有問題所以我們所有的該往前走的都會繼續往前走好那只是修正計劃還沒核定修正計劃是針對一方面預算那二方面是供期的問題在做修正這樣我了解好謝謝 |
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那就是這個南匯鐵路雙軌化的部分當然之前有這個微笑南灣的計畫我們也非常期待那就是說在這個微笑南灣這個計畫那個交通部要從這個南台灣一直到台東花蓮重新整個重整刷新這個觀光的這些亮點那我想這些觀光亮點 |
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刷新之後那我們就是說交通部甚至在未來還可以跟旅行社來溝通配合來增加國外的國外觀光客直接從高雄入境然後再來南回往台東華聯走這樣子的路線那我想再加上之前其實幾個風災讓那個東部的不管公路鐵路其實都斷掉 |
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然後再加上這一次光復救災也是很多人我在火車上遇到很多人就是整個從這個高雄這樣坐南回繞上去所以這個南回鐵路雙軌化這件事情是很重要不然每次在教會列車確實耗掉我們很多的時間那一樣的就是說本席還是 |
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很關心就是到底這個南迴鐵路雙軌劃計提升為快鐵計劃這個部分就是說到底你們在期程上我們會趕快來爭取院的核定如果行政院核定可行性研究過了之後我們就會進行綜合規劃的進度對就是因為核定有沒有一個期程你們預計可能大概落在什麼時候我們盡量爭取行政院那邊可以趕快核定 |
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因為上次也已經過了一年我了解 但我想很多事情我們應該都有一個規劃就是說希望能夠如期大概什麼時候完成什麼這樣子我們希望盡快我們盡量爭取還是部長很保守對 我們因應期盼 |
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那這個可能我還是 因為這是行政院這邊我必須要用拜託跟爭取的角度去那我也陪你一起去拜託好了好 謝謝周委站起來我很快問一個就是替蘭宇問個問題部長知不知道在台灣各個離島剩下哪兩個島沒有ATM |
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在機場我指的是機場這個我不曉得金門澎湖馬祖的北竿南竿都有那現在就剩下綠島跟蘭嶼機場是沒有ATM的所以我想在機場設置ATM應該是蠻普遍的情形那當然在這個離島設置ATM大家一定會去考慮到它的這個經濟效益的問題但是很多地方 |
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很多的狀況是沒有辦法用經濟效益的這個理由去評估了如果是這樣子什麼事情都用經濟效益來看那不好意思那個蘭嶼的飛機也不用飛了船也不用開了那有一些我覺得這個比喻比較不好但是我可以提一下我們有一些罕見疾病或者有一些特殊疾病的藥物我們也不用研發了 |
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我想這個是這個這樣的心態因為畢竟大家知道那天來你們派了這個郵局出席代表這個副管理師林小姐那特別用這樣的理由那當然我們提到包括 |
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不管是誰啦 大家有需要用到現金在下機場 欸沒有錢了 要提個款你總不能說因為立委要去那裡提款沒有錢叫做立委這麼 講說都這麼窮這樣子 |
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報告委員這個案子我們有去跟中華郵政做溝通了我們在蘭嶼機場會來設置ATM這個部分已經跟他們溝通完畢了這個沒有問題已經OK了只是時程上我們會希望它能夠加快我慢慢我是 |
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滿感謝那位副管理師啦因為他那一天的心態跟失言我覺得這個是有一點歧視的狀態那感謝他的這樣的一個回覆促使大家很積極來辦理這一件 |
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其實對我們所有一切都只是替蘭嶼的朋友來爭取而已是 謝謝委員那我想如果有順利那就很好那你們可以主動關心一下綠島是不是也有同樣的需求因為我們沒有想要再請他到辦公室來我去瞭解看看好 謝謝好 謝謝好 接下來再請徐欣穎委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席 本席有請陳部長陳部長請你好 |
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部長我想可能我們常常在這個不管委員會或是院會您應該對我們新竹縣的虎口鄉有了比較深的認識是是是您時常提到提到對那新竹縣的虎口鄉他是全國這個鄉鎮市的鄉裡面是全國第一大鄉 |
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目前已經是全國第一大那所以他表示什麼表示他人口還有地方的發展是非常活絡的那這邊有新豐湖口工業區新竹產業園區還有這個很多的一些物流各方面地方發展非常迅速 |
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那因為今天剛好這個台鐵局鐵道局還有台鐵公司來所以本席要特別的來針對我們台鐵捷運化台鐵捷運化這個政策本席非常認同那針對新竹縣虎口鄉這邊呢它人口這麼快速的成長我們交通建設應該是要在走在更前面 |
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那現在呢這個已經有有些落後了所以之前有向您反映的虎口第二交流道那今天是要特別來反映我們虎口有個虎口車站就是這個台鐵的車站那 |
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現在呢鄉親們已經都連署各方面整個那個腹地大概人口有十幾萬的人口希望在南湖口再設一個檢疫車站這個部分我們想了解就是說我們這個台鐵捷運化嘛所以在這個人口眾多的地區來設這個檢疫車站我們希望部長這裡可以來支持可以嗎 |
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報告委員這個我們之前可能還沒有收到沒有收到這個案子但是委員您今天在建議這件事我們就請鐵道局跟台鐵公司大家一起來研議本席的前一任這個選區的立委他之前提了但是那時候好像回應是還不到就是說好像還沒有覺得可行性 |
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或者是那時候還沒有提出台鐵捷運化這個政策後來我們看到台鐵捷運化我們覺得非常好因為這個可以讓我們整個的運輸各方面地方的發展區域的發展都更好我們在幾個都會區它的捷運化的部分已經有做了包含車站的部分包含車次的部分區間車的車次的部分有做調整委員所提到是現在湖口 |
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五口的人口增加非常快速那是一個新的變化那我們就針對這件事情來做可行性方面的研究一下我們內部來做一下請台鐵先做一下這方面的研究如果有這方面的需求那我們會一起來協助對 這個是不是如果台鐵在做可行性的時候有到地方我們就一起可以會勘一下我們是不是請台鐵公司這邊是不是看那一段那一段是誰負責的我們再來研究一下 |
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就這個運量的需求方面有啦本席已經幫你們做了很多已經現有的檢疫站都輸給這一站好不好輸給這邊的先請教因為他整個的你們可能不是很了解他整個湖口新峰他距離6.2公里但實際上這中間南湖口在中間他能夠能夠再幫忙紓解那整個新峰湖口的 |
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人口數13萬多所以我們地方非常需求所以本席今天提出來是因為他已經是緩不濟急但是我們還是要加緊來做所以會很希望我們能夠盡快好不好 |
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好那最後最後時間到就是今天最重要的就是我們台鐵月台設立這個月台門的這個部分那我們有看到好像有考慮纜繩式的升降月台門那這個部分有可能再加速嗎我想 |
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大概之前很多委員也覺得我們台鐵這邊速度是不是可以再快一點我們明年3月高雄的那一座它是比較實驗性的試辦那一座在明年的3月會蓋好然後我們讓它營運一段時間去測試一下一段要測試多久這個台鐵的規劃是大概多久時間 |
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半年吧 半年的這個測試看它整個各種的功能還有是有沒有什麼樣的其實規劃的好一點測試一般這個半年是哪裡訂出來的因為過去沒用過 沒用過所以可能還有跟國人的一些習慣或是各種遷到而且這個系統也是台灣第一次做這樣子的系統這種懶人式過去沒有做過 |
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那我們大家還是期望因為這個安全大家都非常重視那能夠怎麼樣完善而且加快我們希望可以盡速好 因為我們會加速加速來好 謝謝好 謝謝 |
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好 再來請林倩琦 林倩琦 林倩琦委員質詢 林倩琦委員不在蘇清泉 蘇清泉 蘇清泉委員質詢 蘇清泉委員不在王美惠 王美惠 王美惠委員質詢 王美惠委員不在郭玉琴 郭玉琴 郭玉琴 郭玉琴委員質詢 郭玉琴委員不在鍾嘉斌 鍾嘉斌 鍾嘉斌 鍾嘉斌委員質詢 鍾嘉斌委員不在 |
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好 登記諮詢委員均已發言完畢 作以下決定一 報告及詢答完畢二 委員尤浩 鍾嘉斌 蘇巧慧 郭育晴所提書面諮詢列入記錄並刊登公報三 委員於諮詢中要求提供相關書面資料或是未及答覆部分請交通部及相關機關盡速以書面答覆本日會議結束休息 明天繼續開會 謝謝 |
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響鐘 |
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謝謝大家 |