| IVOD_ID |
169877 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169877 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-35-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-08T11:37:39+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-08T11:47:29+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:50 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/cf4a05d5bc4f1da0f676666e151fd366de6dd124de216d0f45bd58b8ef1d7533be38506e5337c7fe5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王鴻薇 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:37:39 - 11:47:29 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國防部部長顧立雄報告「國軍老舊主要裝備汰除期程與戰力銜接配套規劃」，並備質詢。） |
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我們現在服役的T-34出叫機,到底能不能在另外裝設彈射座椅? |
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沒有辦法沒有辦法那我們現在國防部的對外說法仍然是要到服役到2033年是嗎我們現在剛剛有跟委員其他委員報告了我們在明年完成建案之後117年獲付預算之後我們可以在119年或120年就可以獲得這個新機的這個 |
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如果產能沒有問題的話我們希望在119或120可以獲得新機的貨裝所以按照原來的服役的年限大概提早兩年到三年最多只能提早兩年到三年嗎 |
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我們現在就要按照我們的建案程序來沒有 剛才部長講啊就說如果這個他的這個就是來得及的話是在119年到120年因為117年貨戶預算之後嘛那我們還這個飛機還有交機的一個問題嗎交機的一個 按照他的產能能夠進行交機所以在此之前我們T-34出交機還是要造飛嗎 |
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我們會完善它的相關的這些安檢的一個要求如何完善呢?如果連彈射座椅都沒有辦法裝設的話,安裝的話,如何完善呢? |
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彈射座椅當然是提高安全性的一個做法那因為這型機在民國74年貨裝的時候就是沒有一個彈射座椅,那使用汽精所以我們也想要瞭解能不能安裝彈射座椅現實上就是說這型機沒有辦法去安裝彈射座椅沒有辦法,其實早就知道沒有辦法了 |
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但是一直讓他在飛部長我想請問一下我們就是在符合我們的安全的要求之下我們國家培養一個飛行時數可以超過2000小時的資深的飛官我們的國家在一個飛官上要花多少錢我想每一個飛官都是我們重要的一個 |
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對 應該是無價吧所以我就不懂了在上週發生造成兩名資深飛官造成兩位無價的兩名飛官死亡的T34出教機今天我們安排這個專案報告為什麼報告可以通篇都沒有T34出教機的汰換或者你們的計畫呢 |
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跟委員報告,因為這個是召委所安排的它是一個整體的,那它沒有針對任何一個個案來做所以我們是舊整體來做說明我現在看你們裡面裝的就是要汰換的東西也寫得非常多啊 |
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戰甲車、火砲、艦艇、資源艦什麼防空雷達、通信裝備等等可是像這些我們所長期大家在關注的包含T-34的出教機其實我們事實上 |
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很多載人裝備現在雖然他還沒有到一個就是接受的時間可是其實都已經出現了裝備老舊舊還有他的傷源消失的問題譬如說你這個海軍S70C的反潛直升機 |
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他的服役時間長達35年現在也面臨了航電設備的商源消失以及現在後援的後勤的維保壓力也是越來越重所以為什麼像我在這邊所提出來的他們的服役超過30年甚至海軍500MD的帆潛直升機服役都將近50年了為什麼像這些 |
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在人的裝備極為老舊也應該進行汰換或者他都有這些相關的零件還有設備商員消失的問題都不在你們這份報告上 |
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我就覺得我納悶的是我們為什麼會專注在這次專注在T-34出叫機是因為它已經造成我們國軍弟兄的罹難T-34這個出叫機不是第一次發生問題它陸陸續續已經有13起的事故造成我們12名飛官的上升但是竟然在今天的報告裡面可以一個字都不見 |
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所以我不理解今天我們對於國防預算我們年年要提高國防預算現在也要提高到已經超過GDP的3%了未來還要朝GDP的5%去邁進可是為什麼我們這些在人的裝備卻不升級也不汰換 |
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而且已經發生問題之後還是按照原來的方式去進行這我就不懂我覺得我自己身為母親我不大理解你今天告訴我們每年未來都是一兆的光是公務預算不講特別預算喔公務預算就高達一年起碼叫一兆但是像這樣載人的裝備部長也承認這些飛官都是我們國家跟國軍的無價之寶 |
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為什麼沒有在這些檢討報告裡面部長可不可以給我們所有這些國軍弟兄他們的家屬他們的父母他們的妻子一個答案跟委員報告就是您上面這個所寫的個案的部分我們在報告裡面就是因為做整體的說明所以沒有個別來說明那有關個別的部分包括X拐動的反潛直升機跟500MD的反潛直升機那這個就是涉及到說 |
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我們有在我們納入要檢討規劃的之類那當然就是有希望能夠獲得新式的繁險的直升機然後那在這個中間我們當然就要進到我們的這個裝備安全的一個前提那如果這個裝備維持它的安全性那我們在還沒有獲得這個新式的裝備之前為了戰力沒有間隙我們在 |
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操作的安全性跟裝備的安全性的前提之下,我們會維持它的一個妥善,然後來執行那如果說,剛剛也提到,如果說像西腰山洞,您這裡有提到的它雖然還沒有達到它的受限,可是因為有涉及到一些消失性傷原的問題所以會有影響安全的問題的時候,我們就要提前規劃來做這個籌購 |
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我們覺得非常重要不要在下一次的悲劇發生的時候我們才再做檢討因為T34的出教機它不是第一次過去也發生過然後告訴我們說F51彈射座椅要採購然後也可以裝在T34的出教機結果發現根本不能裝根本沒有 |
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然後所以國人沒有辦法理解沒有辦法理解就是像這樣的一個教練機竟然連彈射座椅都沒有然後還要讓我們的軍官在上面這樣子飛發生事情之後真的國人沒有辦法理解我們花這麼多錢到底我們要買什麼我們要汰換什麼 |
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所以還是希望國防部針對我們剛才所說的包含T-SENS的除膠劑還有這些載人的設備載人的裝備我覺得這才是我們預算要花在刀口上至少要讓我們國軍弟兄他們在服役的時候至少讓他的家屬能夠安心好不好這非常重要是是因為中委報告您講的S拐動C跟海軍M |
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500MD 它這個也涉及到說我們有沒有辦法拿到這個供售的一個意願才能夠進行這樣的汰換那這個汰換之前我們一定會維持它的裝備的妥善這我了解 但是這個就是要我們要去爭取的嘛 |
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我們常常在講軍購軍購我們其實長期被詬病的就是我們要買的買不到然後人家只給我們他們要賣的那像這個事實上是我們要買的這個部分很多時候我們在講軍購變成籌碼這個部分是不是也可以變成一個籌碼呢 |
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是不是也可以變成一個籌碼我的籌碼就是像這個是我們急需的在未來這些有關軍購的問題的時候在談的時候能不能把這些當成優先的項目這一點非常重要我們會來努力好 謝謝 |