| IVOD_ID |
169868 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169868 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-36-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-08T10:37:07+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-08T10:55:10+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:18:03 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/cf4a05d5bc4f1da00a2e9938be4b0cb667622fce35d9e13845bd58b8ef1d7533e3ceebef6e54c8ad5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
沈發惠 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:37:07 - 10:55:10 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：邀請法務部部長、內政部警政署署長、交通部、衛生福利部、海洋委員會海巡署、財政部關務署、教育部、數位發展部就「從源頭查緝到道路安全：我國毒品犯罪與毒駕防制政策」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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好 主席 我們請鄭部長好 請部長委員好部長好 |
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我想近期獨駕問題,網路上找這一個月就有這麼多起不同的事件我想獨駕問題造成大家高度關注 |
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這個我們也事實上我們在立法院內政委會6月3號也排過有關於這個獨家的專案報告各委員會都有要安排那我們行政院也很快的在上個禮拜四6月4號我們行政院院會就 |
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就這個來面對這樣子的民意很快在6月4號就做了一個政策的重大的政策宣示這是打擊渡假的一個重大政策宣示那 |
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這個行政院院會的報告裡面大概就是提到說從源頭的嚇阻強化茶氣跟這個重懲獨駕三個面向來進行那我們看這三個面向有很多的部會都要來負責所以獨駕打擊獨駕這個是非常多部會跨部會必須要做的事情但是 |
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只有我們法務部一個部會是從源頭嚇阻到強化查緝到重整渡假我們法務部全部三個這三個領域全部法務部都要負責所以可以說法務部確實是這個這個我們未來要遏止渡假的一個一個關鍵性的一個機關 |
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那當然排這樣的酒駕大家看到這麼多新聞我們在排這個委會大家都就最簡單的在爭論節目就可以仔細說我們政府什麼都沒有做啊我們政府過去的毒價這麼嚴重政府什麼都沒有做 但事實上 |
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事實上我們針對這個獨家的部分我們政府事實上從過去到現在是一直在做這個獨品它的散布的速度跟它擴張的速度 |
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我們目前還可能政府還跟不上所以這個我們才會有這個6月4號這樣子的一個重點的打擊獨駕的一個重要宣示但是我們事實上過去我想我們在其實在這個所謂獨駕這樣子的犯罪太陽歷史其實很短以前沒有人吸毒開車的以前沒有以前都是酒駕以前酒駕以前吸毒開車但很少很少吸毒的人不會開車會躲在廁所 |
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然後躲在自己房間裡面吸毒,吸完毒也不敢出來怕被警察抓真正開始有這個毒價是大概二十幾年的時間我們事實上我們的這條法律我們的這個過去並沒有所謂的這個過去其實它是叫做罪態駕駛罪罪態駕駛罪就是我們的這個 |
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這個刑法第185條這個過去是說叫墜胎價是只有喝酒而已那現在他到1999年才第一次納入 |
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這個毒品駕駛 毒品駕駛修法 那時候修法才第一次納入1999年 因此從聚胎駕駛變成不安全駕駛罪1999年之後一直到現在 我們看事實上已經經歷七次重大的修法每一次修法重點是什麼 就是第一 就不斷地增加 加重它的刑責 |
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他的刑責從最早的一年以下到兩年以下到三年以下在五年內的再犯條款到最後再犯條款延長到十年內他的罰金也從三萬提高到二十萬到三十萬到再犯的三百萬可以說我們在短短這幾年內七次修法事實上不斷地在加重獨家的刑責 |
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這樣子的修法跟我們政策 我也看到我們的政策 這不只我們法務部啦 我們行政院各部會我看速發部 這個交通部啦 內政部 警政署 衛福部 認證等等這些這些我們各個部會 事實上像現在大家所關心的這個 所謂喪屍煙彈 |
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這個伊托米茲這喪屍煙彈事實上它真正在台灣市場它原本是一個麻醉藥品一個麻醉藥品它真正在毒品市場上面竄起大概也是2003年以後的事情大概只有三四年的時間而已短短三四年的時間它變成這麼容易取得變成這麼造成這麼嚴重普遍的社會關注我想這個 |
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我們但是這三四年的時間也不是政府說什麼都沒有做我們把原來一兔一兔米子我們也從2004年開始把它列為第三第一次把它列為毒品列為第三級毒品然後後來提升為第二級毒品這一次這個我們行政院宣誓要把它 |
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六月十七號 獨省會我們要開會我們希望六月十七號獨省會如果能夠通過的話會送行政院來公告希望六月十七號能夠把它列為一級獨品就從三級獨品所以就這樣子其實才三年的時間三年多的時間也就是說三年多的時間伊兔米子它在台灣社會危害的程度它的速度擴散的速度超乎我們政府的想像 |
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那我們現在要做這些亡羊補老的措施我覺得行政院那天所開的這個說明會我們院會之後的這個說明其實說明得相當清楚從源頭到這個取締到事後的這個刑罰刑罰的加重都講了但是我們這是司法法治委員會我們這不是政論節目所以這裡面我們有一些這個行政院所宣示的這些政策有一些在法治上面的問題我要來跟部長探討 |
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法治上面我們要怎麼處理首先剛才也有前面也有委員提到我們在我們的報告裡面提到說我們要研議唾液檢驗入法的可能性對不對我們有提到唾液檢驗入法的可能性我們目前刑法第185之3條 |
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第一項的第三款它規定的是尿液或血液所含的毒品它的達到一定的值也就是說尿液跟血液現在目前是有法律依據的但是唾液沒有唾液沒有法律依據為什麼唾液原本沒有為什麼那時候那時候沒有想到人會吐口水嗎 |
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不是 因為托育檢驗他的精確度比較低對不對 他偽陽性的機率比較高嘛對不對 部長是不是這樣托育的話 因為現在警方現在再次用托育快篩去救初步敵我知道 他是做輔助 |
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補助 但是他在如果說要有一些智能使喚如果要申請羈押是他有他的效果但是因為他還有經過那個認證還有一些數據等等的一些的說明所以這邊我們是希望我們研議看有沒有辦法入法我知道 部長 |
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我們原本只有尿液跟血液 原本185條之3只有尿液血液尿液血液它是一個客觀標準 它有一個值我們公告你超過這個值 你就是處罰但是第四款 有一個說有錢款以外其他事情足以認定私用毒品麻醉藥品或其他類似之物 自不能安全駕駛 |
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第四款它是一個補充的而且是一個主觀的規定它是一個主觀判斷 |
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這個也就是目前我們警察臨檢就是要很適用這一條我們警察臨檢不可能當場把你的血液抽出來然後當場有這麼快就可以當場檢驗說你有沒有吸毒你這個也不可能當場拿到你的尿液之後就當場檢驗當場就可以判斷你有沒有吸毒沒有辦法所以它是一個我們目前的警察的臨檢我們的查緝很主要的是靠第四款 |
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而唾液我們剛剛講的這個唾液檢驗它其實就是這個第四款的一個補強證據了就是我們如果有一個唾液檢驗你這個超過了那我就可以引用第四條來認定說你有前款以外的情形足以逐刃適用毒品所以它的這個但它還是一個補助還是一個補助規定 |
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那你現在要把它所謂說我們要延益入法你是要把它入到第三條第三款第三款就是用尿液血液所含的毒品的這個代謝量達行政院公告品項之濃度以上如果唾液達這個以上我們就直接認定就直接這個是無得爭辯的啦血液你血液濃度達到這裡你說我沒有抽啊 |
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但是你只要學藝東東達到這裡我就不管你我就不再需要任何其他的證據就是因為你達到這個標準我就認定你那唾液有這樣子的證據強度嗎 |
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所以這邊還要做一些的數據還需要一些數據包括人體的一個試驗等等的這部分我們要再做一個如果說這邊我們從始當然就可以入法了那剛才委員真的是很對這個有深入的研究那的確是如果說當然一時沒辦法檢驗出來那從那個測試的密錄器的一個影像測試觀察紀錄表或者說我們警察當場做一些的看一些的 |
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對 這些都可以如果說從這些其他的事實的可以佐證證明說他沒辦案件這也是成立這一套罪所以他託役檢驗到現在我們還沒有入法之前我們的託役檢驗就是扮演這個角色他這是一個補助性的角色但是你現在要入法 |
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那你就必須要讓唾液檢驗有一個數據有一個科學的數據必須要跟血液跟尿液一樣的精準因為它是客觀標準它沒有任何政變的空間它沒有任何政變的空間說那如果說你唾液檢驗仍然跟過去一樣偉陽性這麼高的話你這樣子入法是不是會有風險這部分我沒有反對我只是說在修法的過程中我希望這部分能夠說明清楚說明清楚 |
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也要視社會的疑慮另外我們還有提到說我們的假釋門檻要修改這也是我們這次的重大的宣示之一假釋門檻要修改假釋門檻的修改請問部長是不是就是刑法我們是不是要用刑法77條修正刑法77條的這個特別的假釋門檻 |
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是 就是我們在研議因為這次我們這個全面提高刑度這部分我們是本週內會因為我們修正查案已經理好了我們也經過專家學者的討論我們這些所以我們在本週內會送行政會來審查至於那個77條的是不是說這些獨家的嚴格假釋的這要件我們現在在研議中是不是要是三證條款或怎樣的一個嚴審嚴格審查的那個一個假釋的一個依據 |
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我們會做一個嚴厲因為這個嚴格化假釋門檻也是這一次你們所宣示的我們會朝這個方向來處理這個重審的一個重要的當然法條還沒有法例還沒有過我們再做一個個案的現在的假釋我們會再嚴審在法條結構上面目前的這個刑法第77條的這個這個特別的假釋規定目前我看到它所有的犯罪類型都是新犯罪的類型 |
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沒有其他的犯罪類型我們是來嚴厲實施的加入這個獨駕要把這個安全駕駛所以你要納到這個特別講師規定裡面你們這個你們也是要嚴議再來不好意思我再還有一點比較我個人認為比較 |
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需要跟部長探討的就是說我們剛剛所講的政策裡面你們有一個你們提到說這個為了源頭防堵你們要推動這個所有的這個交通工具獨駕的車子我們要用往義務沒抽的方向 |
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來修法對不對你的這個報告的確是的確就是報告也說採義務沒收這個可以擴大那個嚇阻的一個效用這個是沒有錯啦我大概知道這個精神就是說這樣地面說你明知道他有吸毒你這車子就不敢借給他了因為你借我借給他我現在車子可能就會被沒收但是我們法律還是要講這個所謂的沒收是 |
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刑事上面是刑法上面的沒收還是行政法上面這是刑法沒收我們那個本部提出來是主張的是刑法的沒收刑法沒收到目前為止獨駕沒有獨駕的車輛酒駕車沒有這個沒收的規定目前是道安 |
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道安條例裡面的沒入的規定是行政沒入行政沒入這部分要交交通部他們有這樣的我們如果有這樣的立法我們尊重交通部的這些立法的一些政策所以你們講義務沒收我就嚇一跳義務沒收是因為不分行為人所有只要是一個獨駕者他開的這動力交通工具我們就是被炒交沒收也不是職權沒收也不是裁定沒收你們直接說要用義務沒收 |
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這一摸索是一個用詞但是就是它是嚴格的法律用詞對就是我們要請要申請就是要摸索有這個法律的一個依據因為目前的這個 |
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獨駕 目前獨駕其實車輛就可以行政沒入了行政沒入 目前是在道路交通管理條例第35條第9項但是目前的規定是要肇事致人重傷死亡才可以行政沒入不是目前 現在現有的法令規定那我們 我先不管 你說現在要把這個沒入的規定你要用刑法來用沒收 這個要更動刑法 |
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啊但是如果你用道路交通管理用行政沒入的話你可以修改道路交通管理條例第35條第9項修改讓他把這個所謂肇事致重傷而死亡這個要件把它拿掉變成你只要你只要這個吸食毒品迷幻藥麻醉藥或其他相關類似管制物品來駕駛你的車輛就可以沒入行政沒入可以那你剛剛講說要義務沒收刑法的義務沒收 |
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其實我們自己我們最高法院最高法院的判決對於這個這個義務沒收有很嚴格的限制有很嚴格的限制我這一列列的這個我們裁判這是最我目前的在在做從事沒收的判決裡面他幾乎是等於聖經一樣的引用大家都引用這個高等法院的判決他嚴格限縮解釋 |
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我們現在當然可以用刑法第38條說的第二項說公犯罪所用犯罪預備之物等等的這個有特別規定得莫收之你可以把它當作公犯罪所用 |
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971.545 |
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把車輛當作這個不安全駕駛罪的這個犯罪工具用這一條來說因為公犯罪所用但是你們高等法院的解釋對於公犯罪所用的解釋非常的嚴格跟限縮非常嚴格跟限縮你們這裡限縮之後沒收物必須有特別就是說這個必須關聯的客體客體本身要具有促成推進構成要件實踐的輔助功能 |
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972.591 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
1000.088 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
也就是說在這個解釋之下獨駕的車輛是難以是很難用公犯罪所用這一條來把它沒收的那當然沒收你真的所謂剛剛教育部長講的義務沒收其實刑法裡面的這些沒收的相關的規定它其實你們在這個高等法院的解釋裡面也提到說其沒收必須有特別規定為之 |
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1001.482 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
1011.914 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
就是說我必須要在法令上面就這一條這個犯罪太陽我必須要特別規定那目前目前的這種特別規定的太陽他都不是引用什麼第38條像我們現在的這個這個幾個犯罪啦齁這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
1018.157 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
1033.103 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
像鴉片罪鴉片罪他就在整個章節的最後一條說所有這些製造鴉片的原料你的這個鴉片洗食工具這些都要沒收義務沒收這不管你什麼這個法院也沒有職權裁定的問題就是義務沒收 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
1034.298 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
1054.852 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
那像賭博罪他就是個別規定在賭博罪的第266條他說犯第一項之罪當賭博之器具彩券或這個賭台籌碼不問是不是屬於犯罪人都要沒收都必須要刑法必須要有這種特別規定你們法院才會適用所以現在我們要研議要把這個獨家的這個車輛 |
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1059.838 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
1079.944 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
一個一條路是我剛講的用道路交通管理條例陌路行政陌路的方式來處理修法是比較簡單如果按照法務部剛剛部長所講的你要用刑法的義務沒收來做那就我我剛提的這些問題請部長在修法的時候你要來嚴加思考好不好好謝謝委員的指教謝謝 |