| IVOD_ID |
169829 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169829 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-23-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-04T10:22:44+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-04T10:31:58+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:14 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/1e7ee030b58e6bfe09d9f8e1f7ff33488ee7e0de9923b3dc87431bb39d7cfed20bb9a68193f37aa45ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
許智傑 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:22:44 - 10:31:58 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期交通委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：邀請交通部部長、交通部鐵道局局長及台灣高速鐵路股份有限公司董事長就「5月25日高鐵班次嚴重誤點事件」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席我們請部長跟高鐵董事長好請陳部長跟施董事長委員好部長董事長好 |
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我想這個大霧點的問題大家都問很多了那我們再一次提醒就是問題的查免以及未來的預防這個希望說我們交通部跟高鐵能夠盡量把它研究清楚為了不要再有類似情況發生或者是緊急應變可以做得更好 |
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今天是六月四號 一個中國悲傷的日子部長你記得你去年六月十號到哪裡 |
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去年6月4號委員這個上面有顯示我應該是在高鐵的高雄站是啊這個去年6月4號其實我們能夠爭取到這個建設也真的很謝謝張宏佩跟高鐵就當時有承諾嘛那就是委託工程顧問公司評估然後今年3月就可能開工這個其實是高雄一個很 |
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重大也是一個大家引領期盼的建設但是我最近問到好像目前高鐵打算暫緩或者是不做這個不知道部長知不知道我是不是請董事長來回答這個問題 |
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跟委員報告我想基本上這個過温公司的基本的規劃已經完成那由於國內現在目前這個營造都在蓋廠房因為半導體太熱的關係那以及這個地下工程事實上是一個靈軌工程而且是一個穿移改移的工程因此我們特別謹慎 |
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我們事實上在民間針對相關不同的營建商大概訪價訪談了大概超過20件確實廠商目前手頭上對於做這個工程的意願非常的低這是第一件事情第二個就是說我們未來事實上新車導入之後馬上面臨增班的狀況 |
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這個施工會造成我們現在三個月台會必須減少一個月台一個月台施工完以後才能增加第二個月台的施工那這個我們現在正在評估對於增班的影響也就是考慮到說增班的穩定度跟施工的先後順序我們必須要謹慎考量我想大家都知道嘛不要到最後車子有了結果增班發不出去啊所以這個我們很審慎在評估考量這個也跟委員誠實報告 |
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對 所以我其實今天要特別提醒的就是說這個問題不是今天才知道這個問題在去年的時候 6月4號的時候我們到現場的時候雖然當時不是石董事長但是我們當時就知道你要做月台一定是會要輪流嘛這個是去年就知道的事嘛 |
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跟委員報告去年的六月四號雖然我不在不過確實是經過顧問公司進場實際計算之後才發覺他的施工時間比我們想像的長非常的多那這個也就會造成其實未來班表調整的影響衝擊幅度更大所以這個其實是最近才發生的事 |
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所以現在就是新車進來總共的車輛用我們如果是用現在有六個月台嘛一次施工是會動到兩個月台嘛簡單講現在是三個月台有六個車道嘛那如果是動到一個月台就剩下四個車道嘛 |
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那四個車道就新舊車的調度所以這個案子到底未來可能做還是不做這個案子終究是要做但是我們是在評估是在增班班表調整之後做還是同步做我們擔心的是同步做對於左營站的增班會有影響而左營站的增班除了影響到高雄人的權益之外也會影響到權限的調度 |
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那當然我們是運作順暢為主嘛其實你如果是慢因為你新舊調度我想試驗可能最多三個月到半年吧不會超過吧沒有 這個整個穩定期要兩年因為我們的交車是要透過一年的時間才逐步交車完成穩定期要兩年交車就交一年穩定至少也要再一年所以總共是兩年 |
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所以兩年之後到底可不可能做我們的大方向是要做但是必須在不影響調度以及增班的狀況底下做這個目前都還在評估當中如果可以同步做我們會願意同步做如果不能同步做我們會以增班調度為優先我想這個如果有真的有新的考量因為我們一直引領期盼三月就要斷崗啊 |
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也跟委員誠實的報告去年6月4號的時候我們第一個沒有想到說它的工期這麼長第二個我們也沒有顧慮到說在失作的時候那個月台的兩個軌道的陣線上的電源必須要斷電但是我們顧及到工程安全我們已經決定如果要失作就要斷電一旦斷電我們連通行的功能都失去了所以它不只是增班調度而且連進基地的功能都會影響所以我們確實非常謹慎的在評估 |
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OK 勇敢面對錯誤 其實做一個最新的決定我們是可以接受不過就是說 有這個改變我交通委員都不曉得這個改變還沒有定案 我只是說我們現在正在謹慎嚴肅的在評估所以現在是暫緩也沒有暫緩 因為我們事實上都還沒有進行發報 |
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我們三月嘛本來是預計今年三月嘛那現在已經delay了吧我們本來就是依照原本的計畫在三月之前要進行發包在發包之前尋商訪商在尋商訪商的過程當中我們才發解新的問題也就是說廠商對於這個靈鬼施工的風險的考量比我們想像的更嚴肅所以我們才進入了更實質的評估了 |
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好 那後面應該是進度可不可以請董事長概括一下後面的狀況 你說分這兩種情況嘛我想是不是秦委員再給我們一點時間我們把整個對於增班調度的影響以及先後順序做一個更清楚的釐清因為其實上新車導入的新的班表也現在正在研議當中這一切都在現在進行式當中不是我們故意要延誤新車進來 去年也知道今年新車要進來啊 |
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去年知道新車進來可是去年並不知道新車每一台交車的準確時間現在我們知道了知道每一台車的準確交車時間以後我們才能夠進行每一台車增班對實質上的班表的確定的發展 |
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OK 那什麼時候大概可以把這個時間序包括新車進來 包括調度進來包括考慮一起做或考慮等全部都調動完成之後來做這個時間序可不可以大致上列一下至少因為我突然問到說這個暫緩的計畫我是覺得很訝異 |
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沒有我再一次跟委員強調我們並沒有暫緩的計畫我只是說我們現在在評估各種發生的新的情勢有一旦有評估的結果明確的話我會親自跟委員說明所以這個希望說把這個弄清楚我想我們高雄人引領其範力也是高雄出身的阿雄雄這個錯誤我感覺說這到底是其實 |
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你們內部可能也會承認說到底是暫緩還是不做沒有不做但是我們只是先後順序的問題所以一定會做一定會做那就聽我們石董事長這句承諾對 但是增班我想一般民眾會覺得可能應該是優先 |
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當然正班優先啊你要調度順暢才來做嘛這個是一定的嘛所以我們是擔心說不要因為這些問題就不做啦是所以一定會做這個承諾我希望說石董事長跟我們高鐵所有的人員還有交通部長因為什麼時候做在delay兩年你們不知道都又換到哪個位置去了也不記得在這個位置 |
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所以這個事情我希望說這個是可以執行下去那相關的人員也必須把這個問題把它keep住好 謝謝那我們今天至少有個結論就是一定會做是OK好 謝謝部長跟董事長都OK是 這個沒有問題一定要做好 OK 謝謝好 謝謝委員 |
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謝謝主席，我們請部長跟高鐵董事長。 |
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主席 |
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好，請陳部長跟史董事長。 |
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陳部長世凱 |
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委員好。 |
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部長、董事長好。 |
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有關大誤點的問題，大家都問很多了，我們再一次提醒就是問題的查明以及未來的預防，希望我們交通部跟高鐵能夠儘量把它研究清楚，未來不要再有類似情況發生或者是緊急應變可以做得更好。 |
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今天是6月4號，一個中國悲傷的日子，部長，你記得你去年6月4號到哪裡？ |
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陳部長世凱 |
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去年6月4號？ |
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陳部長世凱 |
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委員，這個上面有顯示我應該是在高鐵的高雄左營站。 |
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是啊，去年6月4號其實我們能夠爭取到這個建設也真的很謝謝交通部跟高鐵當時有承諾，就是委託工程顧問公司評估，今年3月就可能開工，其實這是高雄一個很重大，也是大家引領期盼的建設，但是我最近問到的是，好像目前高鐵打算暫緩或者是不做，不知道部長知不知道？ |
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0.946 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
陳部長世凱 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-06-04T10:24:17.078000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-06-04T10:24:18.519000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
我是不是請史董事長來回答這個問題？ |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
史董事長哲 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-06-04T10:24:19.954000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-06-04T10:24:56.072000+08:00 |
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好，跟委員報告，基本上，顧問公司基本的規劃已經完成了，由於國內目前的營造都在蓋廠房，因為半導體太熱的關係，以及這個地下工程事實上是一個臨軌工程，而且是穿移、改移的工程，因此我們特別謹慎，事實上，我們在民間針對相關不同的營建商大概訪價、訪談超過20件，確實廠商目前手頭上對於做這個工程的意願非常低，這是第一件事情。 |
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0.942 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
史董事長哲 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-06-04T10:24:56.433000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-06-04T10:25:22.793000+08:00 |
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第二個，未來新車導入之後，馬上面臨增班的狀況，施工會造成現在三個月臺必須減少一個月臺，第一個月臺施工完以後，才能增加第二個月臺的施工，現在我們正在評估這個對於增班的影響，也就是考慮到增班的穩定度跟施工的先後順序，我們必須要謹慎考量。 |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0.953 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
史董事長哲 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-06-04T10:25:23.233000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-06-04T10:25:32.219000+08:00 |
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我們都是高雄人，我們都知道，不要到最後車子有了，結果增班發不出去，所以我們很審慎在評估考量，在此也跟委員誠實報告。 |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.804 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-06-04T10:25:34.220000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-06-04T10:25:57.693000+08:00 |
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對，其實我今天要特別提醒，這個問題不是今天才知道，這個問題在去年6月4號我們到現場的時候就知道了，雖然當時不是史董事長，但是我們當時就知道如果要做月臺一定要輪流，這個是去年就知道的事嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
史董事長哲 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-06-04T10:25:59.234000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-06-04T10:26:20.188000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，去年6月4號雖然我不在，不過確實是經過顧問公司進場實際計算之後，才發覺它的施工時間比我們想像的還要長非常多，這就會造成未來班表調整的影響衝擊幅度更大，其實這是最近才發生的事。 |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.953 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-06-04T10:26:20.308000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-06-04T10:26:29.274000+08:00 |
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所以現在就是新車進來，目前總共有六個月臺，一次施工會動到兩個月臺，那四個月臺…… |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
史董事長哲 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-06-04T10:26:30.214000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-06-04T10:26:34.877000+08:00 |
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簡單講，現在是三個月臺，有六個軌道。 |
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0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
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2026-06-04T10:26:34.877000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
1 |
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2026-06-04T10:26:36.058000+08:00 |
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對，三個月臺有六個車道嘛！對。 |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.25 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-06-04T10:26:36.058000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-06-04T10:26:38.800000+08:00 |
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如果動到一個月臺，就剩下四個車道嘛！是。 |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-06-04T10:26:39.880000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T10:26:46.704000+08:00 |
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四個車道就新舊車的調度……所以這個案子到底未來可能會做還是不做？ |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.966 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
史董事長哲 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-06-04T10:26:47.525000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-06-04T10:27:05.775000+08:00 |
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這個案子終究是要做，但是我們在評估是在增班班表調整之後做，還是要同步做，我們擔心的是同步做對於左營站的增班會有影響，而左營站的增班除了影響到高雄人的權益之外，也會影響到全線的調度。 |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-06-04T10:27:07.338000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-06-04T10:27:18.641000+08:00 |
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當然要以運作順暢為主，我想新舊調度試驗可能最多三個月到半年，不會超過吧！ |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.879 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
史董事長哲 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-06-04T10:27:20.421000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-06-04T10:27:24.782000+08:00 |
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整個穩定期要兩年，因為交車要經過一年的時間才逐步交車完成。 |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-06-04T10:27:25.943000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-06-04T10:27:26.843000+08:00 |
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穩定期要兩年？ |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
史董事長哲 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-06-04T10:27:27.243000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-06-04T10:27:30.664000+08:00 |
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交車就交一年了，穩定至少也要再一年，所以總共是兩年。 |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-06-04T10:27:32.095000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-06-04T10:27:35.217000+08:00 |
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所以兩年之後到底可不可能做？ |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
史董事長哲 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-06-04T10:27:35.757000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-06-04T10:27:48.986000+08:00 |
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我們的大方向是要做，但是必須在不影響調度以及增班的狀況底下做，這個目前都還在評估當中，如果可以同步做，我們願意同步做；如果不能同步做，我們會以增班調度為優先。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-06-04T10:27:50.847000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-06-04T10:27:54.989000+08:00 |
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如果真的有新的考量……因為我們一直引領企盼，3月就要動工了啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
史董事長哲 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-06-04T10:27:56.791000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-06-04T10:28:11.294000+08:00 |
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跟委員誠實的報告，去年6月4號的時候，第一個我們沒有想到它的工期這麼長；第二個我們也沒有顧慮到在施作的時候，那個月臺兩個軌道正線上的電源必須斷電。 |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.939 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
史董事長哲 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-06-04T10:28:12.074000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-06-04T10:28:24.897000+08:00 |
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顧及到工程安全，我們已經決定如果要施作就要斷電，一旦斷電，連通行的功能都失去了，所以它不只是增班調度，而且連進基地的功能都會影響，所以我們確實非常謹慎的在評估。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.986 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-06-04T10:28:26.057000+08:00 |
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2026-06-04T10:28:37.762000+08:00 |
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OK，勇敢面對錯誤，其實做一個最新的決定我們可以接受，不過有這個改變，連我是交通委員會的委員都不曉得，我問我們資深的…… |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.755 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
史董事長哲 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-06-04T10:28:39.823000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-06-04T10:28:42.004000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，這個改變還沒有定案，我只是說我們現在正謹慎、嚴肅的在評估。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.839 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-06-04T10:28:42.104000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-06-04T10:28:42.365000+08:00 |
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所以現在是暫緩？ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
史董事長哲 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-06-04T10:28:42.365000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-06-04T10:28:44.626000+08:00 |
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也沒有暫緩，因為事實上我們都還沒有進行發包，所以沒有暫緩。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.654 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-06-04T10:28:52.633000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-06-04T10:28:56.474000+08:00 |
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本來是預計今年3月，現在已經delay了，還要delay多久？ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
史董事長哲 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-06-04T10:28:57.234000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-06-04T10:29:17.180000+08:00 |
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我們本來是依照原本的計畫在3月之前要進行發包，在發包之前詢商、訪商，在詢商、訪商的過程當中我們才發覺新的問題，也就是說，廠商對於臨軌施工風險的考量比我們想像得更嚴肅，所以我們才進入了更實質的評估。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-06-04T10:29:18.440000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-06-04T10:29:23.422000+08:00 |
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好，後面的進度可不可以請董事長概估一下？ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-06-04T10:29:24.122000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-06-04T10:29:26.203000+08:00 |
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你說後面的狀況分為這兩種情況嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
史董事長哲 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-06-04T10:29:26.843000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-06-04T10:29:42.868000+08:00 |
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是不是請委員再給我們一點時間，我們把對於增班調度的影響以及先後順序做一個更清楚的釐清，事實上，新車導入的新班表現在也正在研議當中，這一切都在現在進行式當中，不是我們故意要延誤。 |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-06-04T10:29:43.708000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-06-04T10:29:45.049000+08:00 |
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去年也知道今年新車要進來啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
史董事長哲 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-06-04T10:29:46.373000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-06-04T10:30:00.626000+08:00 |
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去年知道新車要進來，可是去年並不知道每一臺新車交車的準確時間，現在我們知道了，知道每一臺車的準確交車時間以後，我們才能夠進行每一臺車增班對實質班表確定的發展。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.959 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-06-04T10:30:03.087000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-06-04T10:30:06.308000+08:00 |
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什麼時候可以把這一個時間序釐清？ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-06-04T10:30:07.128000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-06-04T10:30:18.650000+08:00 |
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包括新車進來、調度以及考慮要一起做或等全部調動完成之後再來做，這個時間序可不可以大致上列一下？好。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-06-04T10:30:20.851000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-06-04T10:30:23.711000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
因為我突然問到這個暫緩的計畫，其實我覺得很訝異。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
史董事長哲 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-06-04T10:30:26.332000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-06-04T10:30:36.539000+08:00 |
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沒有，我再一次跟委員強調，我們並沒有暫緩的計畫，我只是說現在我們在評估各種發生的新情勢，一旦評估的結果明確化，我會親自跟委員說明。 |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.949 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-06-04T10:30:38.220000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-06-04T10:30:54.697000+08:00 |
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好，希望能夠把這部分弄清楚，高雄人引領企盼，你也是高雄出身，這件事情突如其來讓我們感到很錯愕，我想你們內部可能也會覺得到底是暫緩還是不做，現在也還…… |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.567 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
史董事長哲 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-06-04T10:30:57.100000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-06-04T10:31:01.204000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
沒有不做，只是先後順序的問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-06-04T10:31:01.204000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-06-04T10:31:02.726000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
所以一定會做？ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
史董事長哲 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-06-04T10:31:03.306000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-06-04T10:31:03.687000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
一定會做。 |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-06-04T10:31:04.147000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-06-04T10:31:06.850000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
好，那我就聽史董事長這句承諾。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
史董事長哲 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-06-04T10:31:07.891000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-06-04T10:31:10.134000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
我想一般民眾可能會覺得增班才是優先。 |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.706 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-06-04T10:31:11.658000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-06-04T10:31:12.519000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
當然增班優先啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-06-04T10:31:12.719000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-06-04T10:31:15.862000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
你要調度順暢才來做，這是一定的嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-06-04T10:31:16.383000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-06-04T10:31:45.092000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
我們希望不要因為這些問題就不做了，所以「一定會做」的這個承諾，我希望史董事長和高鐵所有人員及交通部長要放在心上，如果再delay兩年，你們不知道又換到哪個位置去了，也不見得還在這個位置上，所以我希望這件事情可以執行下去，相關人員也必須把這個問題keep住。 |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.831 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
史董事長哲 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-06-04T10:31:45.852000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-06-04T10:31:46.393000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
好，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-06-04T10:31:46.773000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-06-04T10:31:49.857000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
今天至少有一個結論就是一定會做。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-06-04T10:31:52.119000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-06-04T10:31:53.140000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
部長跟董事長都覺得OK嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
陳部長世凱 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-06-04T10:31:53.821000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-06-04T10:31:54.662000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
這個沒有問題，一定要做。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-06-04T10:31:55.362000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-06-04T10:31:56.063000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
好，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
陳部長世凱 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-06-04T10:31:56.243000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-06-04T10:31:56.263000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
謝謝委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-06-04T10:31:56.763000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-06-04T10:32:01.048714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
謝謝許智傑委員、謝謝部長及董事長。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-06-04T10:32:01.348714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-06-04T10:32:04.491571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
接下來請王義川委員發言。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0 |